nothing in your link supports your claim. Why are you spreading fake news? A woman has died and you're trying your hardest to deflect away from that. Do you even care that she's dead?

at the state department. That neither proves he had anything to do with Kony 2012 nor does it prove the event in Charlottesville was the somehow the fault of the state department

Pretending that State Department isn't the most common CIA cover.

Kony 2012 was a PsyOp though...

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2012/03/kony-2012-psy-op-collapsing.html?m=1

http://www.activistpost.com/2012/03/kony-2012-psy-op-collapsing.html

Yeah I agree it was

"9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect."

http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/25-rules-disinformation/

Lol at 31 upvotes, too. Like the other posts that all sound the same.

so your spamming this for all of my comments now? ooh Ya little special snowflake, you got triggered

"5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as “kooks”, “right-wing”, “liberal”, “left-wing”, “terrorists”, “conspiracy buffs”, “radicals”, “militia”, “racists”, “religious fanatics”, “sexual deviates”, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues."

http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/25-rules-disinformation/

You seem triggered friend.

"18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can’t do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how “sensitive they are to criticism”."

http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/25-rules-disinformation/

Haha dude you're awesome. Keep it up and you might give them a full on meltdown.

Thank you for pointing out their bullshit and making me realize there is likely something here we should be questioning.

Oh god, what will I do without my patented shill shmeckles

Calling it as he sees it.

Why are people going to such extreme lengths to support and protect Nazis?

When they stage false flag attacks and blame then on ISIS, we say the same thing.

Nazis exist in your imagination alone.

You're seriously claiming that Nazis don't exist when there was just a Nazi rally?

They exist, in your over-active imagination.

I didn't have to imagine this because Nazis and white nationalists do exist.

Nerds

Wow so just because their hand is out like that it means their a nazi??? I don't see a swastika anywhere

Are you being dense on purpose or ?

It was definitely sarcastic

Holy shit lol.

Organized by Nazis.

and in the middle of them there are nazis, simple as that.

I think you're confusing people who really identify as national socialists, which don't exist, with white people who express a group interest.

no, you are lost in your semantics. i said that the guys making the nazi salute are nazis, they are not german NS and they do not need to be considered nazis. i can not say from where you pull this your NS thing but it is just poor semantics to me

You know people don't actually walk around sieg-heiling like that right? They are paid agitators.

Also it's probably very illegal to walk around a metropolitan area carrying torches. This was a staged event to strike fear into gullible people's hearts so they associate white group interests with Nazism and check under their beds every night for imaginary white supremacists.

they are paid agitators

There it is. Anything that I don't like is a conspiracy. Fucks sake, do you have a reason for believing this other than it fits your point nicely?

There are right-wing nationalists; there are not Hollywood Nazis. No one identifies as a Nazi. It's an epithet that now means "any white person who expresses racial identity or group interest."

No, people definitely do identify as Nazis, just look at the damn people with swastika tattoos, Nazi flags, who go to rallies across the world, who form political parties all centred around Hitler's ideas and other fascist ideals. Even the fuckimg OP of this thread is a Nazi, if you check his post history.

no, no, and no.

if antifa will use this as a weapon it's all fault of the nazi idiots. btw: antifa is disgusting to me too

Wow, your leap in reasoning is... disturbing.

This is what it's come to. The Nazis we see with our own eyes aren't actually Maxis so this guy doesn't have to admit he supports Nazis.

Newsflash: no one identifies as a Nazi, regardless of whether you call them that in an impotent panic.

Man has a point. If I was looking to discredit something then some on that side doing this would he a real good way to go about it.

To be honest though I think this was a legit event but we must always question things never blindly accept what the media tell you to whether you agree with the perps politics or not.

Dude, these are Nazis. You shouldn't have to discredit a Nazi.

It's worked hasn't it seeing as you've dismissed everyone there as a Nazi ;)

QED

Why is everyone defaulting to government official narratives even while they've proven themselves to be devious, authoritarian, lying, instigators?

The top government official in the US is trying to deflect from this incident. Why are you buying into that narrative?

Because the multinational billionaire is a true outsider fighting against the globalists because hurrrrrrr

Fucking sheep.

billionaire/true outsider

Pick one.

I guess he needed /S for you to realize the obvious joke.

These days you can never be sure.

I don't even read or listen to anything the president says.

Next shifting of the goal posts?

in this particular case, it has to be proven yet, proofs are not convictions!

they've proven themselves to be devious, authoritarian, lying, instigators?

Lol unlke the alt-right, neo-nazis, fascists, and klansmen.

Yes.

Because OP is a fucking Nazi. His post history makes that pretty clear.

Leave OP alone. He is merely standing up for his fellow 4chan patriot who got denied his good boy points.

In another incident in 2010, Bloom said that Fields smacked her in the head and locked her in the bathroom after she told him to stop playing video games. Bloom told officers Fields was on medication to control his temper.

http://www.ksfy.com/content/news/Bond-denied-for-suspect-in-Virginia-rally-death-440328163.html

Probably dropped all his tendies too. Or whatever that the_Donaldism is.

Everyone has a right to peacefully assemble. Even the ACLU has defending neo-Nazi's constitutional rights.

It isn't "protecting" Nazi's. It is protecting the Constitution.

They don't have a right to mow people down with their car though. Why are you pretending like they just peacefully rallied?

So, we should take away people's constitutional rights because of the actions of one stupid and/or malicious individual?

So, we should take away people's constitutional rights

This is not what the poster said. Why twist and distort what he said into something else?

I literally love this logic. It's so ass backwards it's just fucking hilarious.

That's exactly what you guys are on about. This isn't about protecting nazis, that's just what you all keep saying to make everyone look bad. Nazi is the new Russia for everyone to point their finger at.

Wow, imagine people saying this when it concerned minorities and the world would be fine

People do. Look at any mass shooting. This event is not an exception. It has people blaming a whole side of the political spectrum for the horrible doings of one individual. Also, the whole nation now assumes that the participants of the protest accurately reflect the personal traits of every Trump voter.

I don't believe it accurately reflects the traits of every trump voter, but when all the trump voters I've seen today and yesterday are making claims that this is some sort of CIA plot to undermine trump, or saying that they're the victims in this tragic event, then you can understand that my overall view on trump voters won't be positive.

But adding to that, when the president decides to lambast and publically denounce a CEO who left the advice board rather than the white supremacists who were shouting nazi propaganda, it's easy to blame his rhetoric because he doesn't denounce those who use his name to promote white supremacy

I've seen the presidents word on this. He did denounce them. What do you want him to do specifically?

Making a statement saying that he is condemning the violence on "both sides" isn't what he should have done. His new statement is good enough to denounce the extreme protestors but the question is why didn't he say this earlier

There is violence on both sides though. Up and down as well. Anybody who does an act such as this should be denounced. Their personal opinions on politics and race shouldn't really matter. This guy was a shit human and shit humans exist with all sorts of ideas.

Yes but can you agree that in this case, saying that there was violence on both sides is irresponsible at best and disturbing considering the sort of beliefs that the protestors were marching for, but the lack of specific condemnation said more than the initial press conference did

And saying that their personal opinions doesn't matter completely misses the point in my opinion. Their personal opinion on politics and race completely matters in this case, as it was a catalyst to what this idiot went and did. By removing his opinions, we remove context from this whole situation in my opinion. It wasn't a guy who ran people over for the fun of it, he believed in nazi ideals and decided to run people over because of his beliefs and this should be challenged at the highest level

he believed in nazi ideals and decided to run people over because of his beliefs and this should be challenged at the highest level

This guy ran people over because he's a psycho, not because of his personally held opinions other than his opinion that it is OK to kill innocent people. I'm not sticking up for Nazi's but running over people in a crowd or at all is not part of being Nazi. It's just a single motivational factor in a situation we don't really understand because we don't run people over every time we get mad.

So are you saying that his views had no influence on what he did, because that's really the defining point here. He might have been mentally ill, but he chose to align himself with these views, and then chose to run people over. It might not be part of being a nazi, but it was a major factor in why he was there, and why he did it.

And you may not be sticking up for them, but whenever a view causes events like this, it's down to us to challenge those views and to engage in debate like this to see what actually happened.

What "views" are you referencing? His disregard for human life? I didn't know this guy so pretending I have a deep understanding of his motives is not something I or anybody should be doing.

I am asking, if you believe that his views on white supremacy had no role to play at all in what he did.

You might not know the guy, but you have the facts to decide, from what he was rallying for, some of the views he held and the actions he took whilst advocating for white supremacy.

His views are a very important part of the discussion as they are what spurred him into doing what he did, again in my opinion. If you ignore the reasons he did this, you miss the whole point and we allow this to happen again

I'm asking how you know what "views" he held dearly? I haven't researched the guy. I don't know anything about him. I'm sure him thinking his life was more valuable than those he killed DID have something to do with it.

If you ignore the reasons he did this, you miss the whole point and we allow this to happen again

This is wrong. This will happen again and it will be for completely different reasons that we are supposed to rally against. Crazy psychotic people will be around forever and will continue to do crazy shit whether we want to blame it on guns, ideology, or the weather. This atrocity was caused by an individual and having society blame a whole side of the political spectrum is not going to do any good whatsoever.

I've literally explained how I'm not blaming a side of the political spectrum in my previous posts, and if we leave crazy ideology to spread, we're basically handing people sparks to their fuses to be honest. It is better to challenge hateful speech where it is found rather than to let it spread and normalise itself.

For example, if a terrorist blows himself up, it would be indefensible to say "his views didn't matter; he was just a crazy person" because his views led him to what he did, even though it was an individual, it was his views as a collective which ultimately got him to where he was.

And the same goes for this prick, the rhetoric people use in their closed group, the opinions they hold and the actions they take should always take precedent

You are not and that is great. However, the way the media is drumming this up that will be the way society views this in general. They aren't going to be thinking Nazi's have to go, they are going to be thinking Trump supporters are all terrorist nazi racists and this even was just an example of how horrible they are.

Right now the wounds are fresh so understand why they think that, the president took 2 days to condemn the racism and white supremacists directly. The white supremacists nearly all showed support for Donald Trump as shown in the interviews conducted and the Donald subreddit promoted this event.

You can see why people are connecting trump voters with this sort of ideology right?

Yeah because the media perpetuated it very hard for a very long time. It's complete bullshit to highlight a niche group and pretend that is what you are looking at for half of America. There are terrible people on the left too and I wouldn't ever thing of blaming Clinton or other liberals. This is a very very small group of extremists and the media is presenting it in a way to act like it is widespread and Trump's fault.

But it has become more widespread since trumps election and it may not be his fault but his own public views on immigration and statements he has made has allowed these people to become more brazen in what they go and the rallies they hold because now they feel the man at the top supports them

Is there any source whatsoever that quantifies "white supremacy" being more widespread since Trumps election or is it just a phenomenon of each event is reported in detail whereas they may not have even gotten coverage before?

No studies have been conducted on this so I have no quantifiable evidence but I do know that these rallies were rare previous to the 2016 election and events like this were always covered by the news

I think that Trump is creating racists thing is ridiculous and just something being fueled by MSM. They started trying to convince us of that the day after he was elected. They immediately coined new terms like white-nationalist and alt-right. This is a manufactured problem and the tensions are just going to make more extremists. This protest even and all of it's coverage/speculation is going to do nothing but harm relations within the U.S.

He isn't creating racists, that I agree with. I am saying his election has emboldened racists to be more mainstream as now they're getting more coverage, it's not manufactured by the media but it's being propagated by the media instead. And relations were always bad in the US bit these recent events are exposing the cracks in race relations, and political relations

Yeah why are we giving them more coverage?

Ratings are important for them but also not reporting on it would be reminiscent of 1984 styled news keeping

I was referring to your comment where you said they are getting more coverage than before. I'm not asking why this is coverage I am asking why there is disproportionately more coverage.

There isn't disproportionately more coverage, there are more instances of it occurring and there isn't a campaign, it's just that this news sells. All news want to make money and this is how they do it, by stoking flames

And the answer to your question is, I don't know the depth of his views. All I know is, he was supporting white supremacy at a white supremacists rally at where he decided to run counter protestors over due to the difference in their beliefs. And that he has been reported to hold nazi ideology in high regard, and even had pictures of nazi imagery on his social media. That says enough about him to be honest

Not enough to speculate with accuracy what his top motives were. He probably also had mental problems.

But it wasn't technically a white supremacists rally was it? There were just some there.

It was a white nationalist movement rally, which was called unite the right. So they bring a lot of right wing people, and the people who identify with the far right are white supremacists and literally nazi's which again links into the comment I made about the public view of right wing voters/trump voters.

And come on, that's more than enough to speculate with accuracy his motives, in the same way that anders breivik's views were enough to speculate why he did what he did, in the same way the perpetrators of 9/11's views were enough to speculate with accuracy why he did what he did

Yeah I don't agree with the speculation on 9/11 either. And I don't know anything about anders breivik. It's all just to get you to feel a certain way and you shouldn't get too caught up in it. Human emotion is very powerful so that is why it is a trait most often manipulated as a means to an end.

It's been a nice discussion between us to be honest and I hope we've reached a conclusion, if you have any more questions, hit me up in the messages and I guess we might not agree completely but we have had some nice back and forth arguments.

I've seen it from your side and hope you can understand it from mine

If he was serious, he would immediately fire Bannon, Gorka, and Miller for their ties to White Supremacism.

Where has anyone here said we should take away people's right to assemble??

the rally showed no signs of being non-peaceful until it was crashed.

the crashers created the volitile sitution.

had the crashers requested a permit to counter white nationalist's rally, it would have been issued some distance away and seperated by barracades, precisely to prevent what gappened.

no one has a right to hurt another person period, however, neither does a person have the right to carrying a sign threatening to kill another person, as rally crashers did (if you carry a large sign with the fist of solidarity above "kill all monsters," while screaming at people that they are monsters you are threatening to kill them).

at seattle, we were having the shit beat out if us by cops, while protesting the vangaurd of TTP. you guys are getting into rival gang street fights, while "protesting" the fact that some people, a tiny minority, are repulsive, but legally repulsive, 1st amendment protected repulsive. you picked a fight with a gang that is better at fighting, and you got the worst of it.

Don't you dare equate the casualities of your street fight with kent state, harlan county, blair mountain. you share much more with crips and bloods.

More excuses for Nazis. SAD!

Counter what he said little bug dude

He's not persuadable and neither is anyone that doesn't see how dumb what he said is.

"I don't have a counter argument. You're dumb."

There has been a concentrated movement on this sub to detract the blame away from Nazis and claim it was a false flag

Check the post histories of some of these posters, heavy users of T_D and other similar subs who are desperate to shift the blame away from Nazis

OP did not state they couldn't assemble, just that there are a lot of people defending fucking Nazis running over people

Haha this is such laughable spastic kvetching about Nazis.

I think every car attack of the past year was fake and most of them were blamed on ISIS. I guess that makes me a Muslim-sympathizing Nazi.

Nah, you're just dumb. An event organized by Nazis and attended by so, who have nazi flags, do Hitler salutes, and chant nazi lines such as blood and soul, and yet they're still not Nazis according to you lmao

That's not at all what was being said. Don't conflate the alleged act of terrorism for the white pride march. They weren't the same thing.

It's important to recall what happened clearly, and to think rationally in your speculation on any events like these.

If anyone is telling you that you're on the wrong side for asking questions, be more than suspicious of them. Asking questions and clarifying the truth of an event is a hallmark of being an intelligent human being.

This applies to those on any side of an argument. If someone asks you to think irrationally, or truly, if they try to influence your way of thinking by means other than cogent argument and appeals to reason they are to be ignored or berated.

the person I was responding to said in another comment that he doesn't think anyone identifies themselves as a nazi, and they simply don't exist.

I mean obviously they're a nazi. Whatever you might say about the alt-right as a whole, if you are flying symbols that the original nazis flew, you're close enough for government work. I'M saying don't conflate terrorism with neo-naziism out of hand. It's the same thing everybody is getting chided for doing to muslims, and it only works if it goes both ways. I realize that'd not what you were exactly saying, but...it's what I'm saying anyway.

Funny how these so-called Nazis all have CIA family connections.

https://imgur.com/a/oiB5I

Nazis have been CIA assets since Operation Paperclip.

You're on a conspiracy sub. Did you not watch ANY of the videos of this event except for the overhead one that is impossible to decipher what is going on?

Yes? It's impossible not to considering almost every post on the front page and in New is the same links and narratives. And it's a majority of T_D posters that are coming here and trying to spread their propaganda, it's not hard to see

Who the hell is defending nazis??? What era did I wake up in? Unless I missed something, this post is about the guy filming the asshole that drove through a crowd of people.

When I first looked at the evidence and considered the possibility that someone with political ties was on the ground filming this event and then talking to the media afterwards, my suspicions first went to the idea that their could easily be a government body using the neo nazis to get media attention.

The CIA has pulled this shit going back to before I was ever born. Both sides of politics use these tactics to garner support for one thing or another. There's users all over this sub already claiming t_d and conspiracy (conveniently lumped together) are defending nazis. I don't sub to t_d, I don't support Trump, Hillary, Jill Stein, or nazis. I support the public waking the hell up to the fact that they're being played like fools.

Funny how no reply from /u/tucansambitch :thinking:

This isn't a BBS forum my dude, and I've gotten a lot of responses so chill

My point was that there are definitely an influx of users from others subs that are definitely deflecting and trying to shift the blame. When that one guy shot at those congressmen at a baseball game for charity I saw nothing like this. Not even close.

And in the big thread there was definite defense of Nazis, I responded to a guy saying that they were just trying to not be genocided, as in white people, and he got upvotes.

Whats your definition of a nazi?

Far right white nationalists that despise almost everyone that isn't white.

And if you wave a nazi flag around and do Hitler salutes, you're probably a nazi.

Sure doesnt sound anything like the description from ww2

They were far right, white, extremely nationalistic, and hated those who weren't Aryan, specially the jews.

How would you describe Nazis from WW2?

I don't want to change that. I want them to have that right, then I want to go punch them in the mouth.

I'd much rather punch a Nazi now and get a misdemeanor, than punch a Nazi tomorrow and get the gas chamber.

It's not about protecting Nazis, it's about getting to the bottom of this obvious COINTELPRO set up.

But I'm sure you know that.

Who the fuck is protecting Nazis? One lunatic runs people over and someone questions what happened is not fucking protecting Nazis. Fuck off with that. Why can we not entertain alternate possibilities to this event? We should treat it differently because the lunatic terrorist was a Nazi?

You're on r/conspiracy and you have such a black and white view of Nazis? Nazis are bad cuz school said so!!!!

You act like hating Nazis hasn't been the general consensus for decades. No one has ever liked nazis, it didn't just become a problem yesterday. A bunch of white trash dudes marching around saying hateful shit is blowing everyone's mind.

Where were all you people when the Westboro Baptist church were picketing service members funerals and saying homosexuals were going to burn in hell? Nazis aren't cool. They never were. Jumping on this media band wagon is a complete joke.

I don't know any fucking neo nazis. If a bunch of anti nazi protesters didn't go and mess with these idiots during their march, they would of just disappeared back under the rock they crawled out from. Now it's a giant media circle jerk and you're all out on Reddit acting like it's a big fucking deal. Get over it. Stop giving these people credibility by blowing up social media with all this nonsense.

The way things have been going lately, all this attention they're getting is only going to make them more powerful. It's stuff like accusing people of being nazis that's going to give the people who actually believe that shit more media time and more reason to come out in public and pull this shit again. It's absolutely absurd.

That's not what it's about. Stop trying to spin this to look bad.

why a witness is so important in a case where other man is the perpetrator? there are no causal conection betwen the two men in question, the fact that he was there does not change the fact that the murderer was a white supremacist

You have got to be kidding me. Why are you even in this sub?

murderer

white supremacist

Pretty big assumptions

Except there were photos of both, so not really an assumption at this point.

Photos of a dead girl and of the suspect identifying as a white supremacist? I must have missed those.

You didn't miss them, you ignored them. Because both are all over the internet.

Oh okay, they must have been removed because I can't find either a picture of any dead people or evidence of this fellow identifying as a white supremacist.

He's literally pictured before the incident1 holding a shield of Vanguard America which is a white nationalist group and was also wearing the white polo/khakis combo.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.3408239.1502670418!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/fields14n-1-web.jpg

Yeah I've seen that picture... I've also seen several people decry it as being photoshopped. Ignorant of photoshop as I am, I assume it to be authentic.

However, not everyone is so confused to conflate nationalism with supremacy.

Doesn't nationalism literally mean one thinks they are better than others? Does that not mean supremacy?

Not necessarily. It has gained that connotation but nationalism means the desire to have an independent nation for one's own people. It's the kind of thing that's applauded and encouraged when Africans, Tibetans, and Japanese do it but elicits cries of "Nazis!" when white people do it.

According to Merriam-Webster, you are incorrect:

Definition of nationalism 1 : loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially : a sense of national consciousness (see consciousness 1c) exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups

That's pretty narrow. Reads like programming to me. Dictionary.com goes a lot wider.

noun 1. spirit or aspirations common to the whole of a nation. 2. devotion and loyalty to one's own country; patriotism. 3. excessive patriotism; chauvinism. 4. the desire for national advancement or political independence. 5. the policy or doctrine of asserting the interests of one's own nation viewed as separate from the interests of other nations or the common interests of all nations. 6. an idiom or trait peculiar to a nation. 7. a movement, as in the arts, based upon the folk idioms, history, aspirations, etc., of a nation.

And we've seen no body of the victim. Just a headshot, showcasing how cute, blond and white she is.

I got my definition straight from the Merrian-Webster app on my phone. I must be missing the part where it says "supremacists?"

White nationalism is just an expression of white supremacy, but you can play the semantics game to prove your point if you like. Doesn't change the facts.

So Tibetan nationalism is just an expression of Tibetan supremacy, then?

Yes, let's compare a group of people who have been oppressed by China to the group of people who done the oppressing for the better part of America's existence. Nice strawmanyou got there.

So Tibetans deserve a national identity and white people don't?

Hm, I thought white people were the first to abolish slavery. That doesn't seem really fair. Why do you hate white people?

Since when have white people lost their national identity?

And I don't hate white people, I hate Nazi pricks who happen to be white wo hate me simply because the color of my skin and my ethnic background. Let's get that straight.

As for Tibetans, they have been fighting oppression for years and years by China whereas white people in US enjoy freedom as anyone else. These nationalist or supremacists, take your pick, would rather have America to themselves and would live happily if every person of color left. Do you hate people of color?

White people are not being oppressed like the Tibetans. Do you get that? And white people have their own identity...its called AMERICAN. It's the people if color that get something-American.

No one should hate anyone for their ethnic background, and the different people of the world should all have the right to preserve their own national and ethnic identity without forced immigration. If there were not different nations with different people contained therein, there would be no more ethnic diversity.

Just my opinion. But white people have the cards stacked against them in America more than you probably realize. They are actively discriminated against in hiring practices and university not to mention pilloried openly on social media.

if you're talking about quota systems, those are illegal and universities have a "if you're in the top 10%" you get in so this idea that cards are stacked against you, it has nothing to do with your race and everything to do with your ability to perform. considering the people that are drawn to these types of movements, its easy to see why they complain the loudest when they have never put forth an effort to make it in this world.

Black people literally get bonus points on their MCATs while Asians get penalized. This is quite literally the definition of racial discrimination.

What nation are we talking about here

Well it's a potentially uncomfortable fact (for some) that America was founded by white men for white people.

https://cdn-enterprise.discourse.org/tnation/uploads/default/original/3X/8/c/8c9d18fcb0f88ea06d1a5300c7fe4caf26d76ed4.png

America was founded by white men for white people.

Thanks for explicitly stating that you feel that way.

I don't feel that way, it's an objective fact for which I've just shown you the very legislation.

The KarmicEnigma guy ain't worth your time. He's responded to you, so you can block him, if you want. Smells Brock blew-ish to me.

You can block people???

Yes. When the reply is fresh in your inbox, look along the line of commands below the comment. 4th from the right is "block user."

I do it all the time. Filters out the Brocksuckers.

Why did I not know about this sooner??! Thank you!

You're welcome! I have blocked dozens and dozens. As the Brocksuckers have multiplied here, so has my trigger finger.

So does that mean that you just never see a comment from that user, or do you only not see their direct replies to you?

They are dead to you. You never see them again.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs2/1516100_o.gif

uhm if they bring an agent as a "witness" it means they've had a narrative for this event before it even happened.

why a witness is so important in a case where other man is the perpetrator? there are no causal conection betwen the two men in question, the fact that he was there does not change the fact that the murderer was a white supremacist

It's circumstantial evidence that there were operatives in place to manage the incident. Not definitive on its own, but when you start putting pieces together, the narrative on this incident is falling apart.

Good thread OP. You're getting brigaded so there's definitely something to this.

Lol "everyone disagrees with you so you must be right"

There is a difference between disagreeing and angrily defending the official narrative while basically calling anyone who questions this event a Nazi sympathizer.

"4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent’s argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues."

http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/25-rules-disinformation/

You're on a roll! Keep it up!!!

There were dozens of witnesses, did you see the video? Why does this one rando among them matter at all? His involvement or testimony is not important and is quite literally a bystander.

I don't watch CNN nor is it important to the case so doesn't really matter to me. They could have interviewed ronald macdonald.

Literally nothing i cant comprehend matters

I can't comprehend religion therefore it doesn't matter.

nothing is being redacted, you're full of it

They interviewed a dude with a well-established career, who just happened to be at a major political rally... because... you know, he's a politician.

And as I have already explained elsewhere, your claims about things being "redacted" is objectively false. The fact that you keep repeating it despite irrefutable evidence to the contrary is highly questionable.

So you admit he had a legitimate reason to be out there protesting, and wasn't just there as the "plant" you claimed he is?

The nose dive his career took after backing the wrong pony dictated he be at the rally, at the right time, pointing his camera in the right place.

So TPTB carefully orchestrated his entire political career to position him at that rally at that exact time? WTF?

Learn to read.

Yes-that's the admission of guilt

I don't watch CNN nor is it important to the case

Wow

Who CNN interviewed changes nothing about the murderer or who was murdered. It literally has nothing to do with the events.

Lol ok sure it doesn't

Excellent retort.

If the dude has connection to the elite then it sure fucking does matter. Excellent retort Captain Simpleton.

The dude has no connection to the event, is the issue. He was there so what lots of people were there, hundreds.

Your inability to see why that's an issue denigrates you, not me.

Once again a stunning display. Bravo

I can say the same to you. How do you sleep at night? You know why you're in this sub.

Sorry I should have used a trigger warning. If you can't handle differing opinions go back to your echo chamber, you know the one. Your lack of contribution will not be missed.

Differing opinions, as in, the divisive bullshit that push for the elite. K, buddy. Pal.

I'm surprised (glad) the guy didn't swerve left or right when backing up. He could have taken so many more lives. Also his airbag didn't deploy which is weird as well. I bumped the wall in my garage and got knocked the fuck out by that thing.

I don't watch CNN nor is it important to the case

LOL.

He was on Fox News too. That's where I first saw him. But we'll act like CNN is behind this.

gooooold info!!!!

Fox News and CNN are both giant, corporate media conglomerates with documented deep intelligence operatives working for them.

Yup! They can all suck a dick as far as I'm concerned

This. Political parties offers the illusion of choice.

Every MSM outlet is the same, I don't see why being on Fox News makes it different.

It's not any different.

And? There could have been no video at all and that Heather Heyer would still be and 19 others would still be injured.

It's disgusting to see the right wing nazis on this site not even have the common decency to decry the radical violent murders within their own ranks Instead they try to pin it on liberals or the deep state. You should be ashamed

I'm no RW Nazi and if you can smell the COINTELPRO stench around this one, you're almost surely part of it.

smells like "i dont want to believe this so lets find a way to make it somebody elses fault"

very common reaction

sounds almost like this white guy dindunuffin

Dude, between this and your defense of the intelligence community "hacks" that were really leaks, your blew slip is showing. Gonna block.

way to work in that talking point. want to squeeze in a few more?

whats wikileaks track record

how many times did comey tell the president he wasnt under investigation (thus exonerating him from future investigations)

You are calling people of color white supremacist and others who disagree with you Nazi's. You also claim all Muslims are mental ill as well. All this name calling yet you believe in Nazi political policies. You are one strange bird.

I think the act itself is obviously sick and nobody is backing it.

But the narrative the MSM puts out just isn't right, and they seem to intentionally try to stir people up. Like.. why are all these sjw types on my facebook feed up in arms against whites?

There's antifa out there throwing piss on random people, assaulting people, and vandalizing property and it gets reported as being a peaceful protest before the car attack shit.

Nobody but The Daily Stormer.

It's such a huge lie-Russia's dead so they're distracting Hillbots from realizing they've been conned. Fact is-it's the LEFT who are Nazis. The Right is Pro-Israel. The Left is anti-Israel, anti-Semitic, boycott Israel movement and Pro-Palestine.

So the guys waving Nazi flags, wearing Nazi garb, and throwing up Nazi salutes aren't the real Nazis? lol. But I'm just a casual observer, what do i know...

yeah man theyre progressives.

just like the guys who start every post here with a declaration that theyre progressive, dont like trump, hated hillary more

then go on to post something that might as well have MAGA at the end of it

Russia's dead? Wait, did I miss Mueller releasing his report and ending the investigation??

if you dont like what people are saying maybe you should find a safe space

but people are saying shit you dont like because you likely have a shitty view of reality. its like the old saying about how if everybody you meet is an asshole, maybe youre the asshole

Your name is a direct reflection of your half assed completely incoherent post.

deft. is there a name for this debate tactic

Well there's no debate. I state a fact that the act of mowing people down with a car is sick and nobody is endorsing it.

I then point out the MSM narrative which conveniently leaves out the presence and actions of antifa and other groups who incited violence at a previously peaceful gathering.

And to that you replied with what appears to be a completely incoherent response that makes no sense at all, even the third or fourth time I'm reading it.

Your name "unverifiedallegation" just happens to perfectly describe the accusatory tone of your completely incoherent post reply.

have a good day.

you want to 'what about' the people who didnt actually kill any one

im saying your perspective is a little off, and you shouldnt be surprised that if a member of one faction committed murder, its normal that they get the blame (esp after preaching hate towards the color of human skin)

Nobody is sympathizing with a guy who would willingly drive into a crowd of people.

People, including yourself, are sympathizing with people gathering to commit violent acts, throw bodily fluids, vandalize property. etc etc. Think about that for a minute.

These neo nazi losers were not hurting anybody when left alone. Then enter the agitators, and suddenly it's a violent melee and some dude with psychological problems drives into a crowd.

There's no excuse at all for that. But showing up, in some cases with weapons and violent intentions to an otherwise peaceful event is fucking criminal. And those people are criminals. And msm has chosen not to focus on that fact. If they didn't show up, those people would not be in the hospital and nobody would be dead.

"Hospital has sent me to ER, says I may have permanent eye damage"- some social media figure who got assaulted at event.

Then this fine person responds "I hope your eye falls out, and you die or something".

So, do you disavow people like that? Because so far it seems that you're defending that stuff.

the violence is deplorable.

Agreed.

Hugs.

Have a nice day. XO XO.

If you don't like people questioning the mainstream narrative, maybe you should find a safe space.

did you just hit me with a 'no, u'

did

Naw. Low-hanging fruit who posted their hypocrisy on the big stage.

did you just hit me with a 'no, u'

Naw. Low-hanging fruit who posted their hypocrisy on the big stage.

World STAR! UnverifiedAllegation just been hit with the uppercut of logic and the quick jab of petulance. OHHH!!

can i get some sources on all of this antifa shit? my friend was saying virtually the same as /u/ganooosh but i haven't read anything about antifa's supposed antics aside from hearing about it from shitwads like Alex Jones.

Katy Couric tweeted that somebody threw piss on her producers. There's pictures of a police car with pant all over it, thrown by the "counter protesters", and reports of various assults.

"threw piss"

did someone piss in their hand and fucking throw it? or piss balloons.

I'm guessing balloons. They were apparently throwing balloons with paint in them as well. The one article I saw showed a police car with pink paint all over it.

Who the fuck on here is not denouncing what this guy did? You can hate what he did and question the official narrative at the same time. It's disgusting to see left wing nazi's on this site trying to make it sound like anyone on the right side of politics is to blame for this or somehow required to apologize for a random guy's actions just because of where he supposedly sits on the political spectrum.

By trying to deflect blame onto anything and anybody else

It was the CIA's fault!

She blocked the road, she deserved it!

The real driver was a liberal marxist communist and James Fields is a poor innocent victim forced to take the fall!

Field's challenger had stripes and this challenger doesn't. Also look at this fake DMV registration that I made up in Photoshop as proof that Field's challenger has a sunroof(just ignore previous photos of Fields with his car and no sunroof is visible)

And it goes on and on and on. Probably 100 different theories will be invented today to explain away why this white supremacist nazi wasn't actually at fault

He can be at fault and it could be setup at the same time. Doesn't make it any less horrible. In fact, if it was a setup that is even worse. This whole thing is just all to convenient for the idea that was created after the election and has been pushed ever since, that the whole right side of the political spectrum is comprised of murderous Nazis. I wish those fuckers never gathered for a protest in the first place. It didn't do anything but further the divide between "left" and "right" as well as reinforce biases.

"7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could so taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive."

http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/25-rules-disinformation/

'5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as “kooks”, “right-wing”, “liberal”, “left-wing”, “terrorists”, “conspiracy buffs”, “radicals”, “militia”, “racists”, “religious fanatics”, “sexual deviates”, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

'17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can “argue” with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

'18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can’t do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how “sensitive they are to criticism”.

The most important one here(the one right wing white supremacists have been doing for the past 24 hours

'20. False evidence. Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications.

"17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can “argue” with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues."

http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/25-rules-disinformation/

maybe you dont have to apologize just because youre white or right wing, but trying to act like the white far right wing guy who did it isnt reponsible and we should be checking his pockets for soros pay stubs makes it look like people just want to dodge any kind of responsibility.

the guy who tried to kill scalise is an asshole, he shouldnt have done that, angry crazy people shouldnt have weapons

Far right wing guy may be responsible but he didn't do it just because he was far right wing. If this wasn't setup he is a lunatic and not representative of any group of people except terrorists in general.

angry crazy people shouldnt have weapons

No they shouldn't, but what are you advocating for here?

he didn't do it just because he was X. If this wasn't setup he is a lunatic and not representative of any group of people except terrorists in general.

this is what muslims are usually saying, or when some minority commits a crime. nobody likes being grouped up, especially by skin color, which is the most superficial way to group people. perspective!

Guess what? I don't blame Muslims for terrorist attacks. In fact I think the U.S. pretty much created terrorists. So preach to someone else because I agree with you here.

i didnt realize i was facing the choir

i'm as far from a right wing nazi as you can get, and i'd give you 100 to 1 that you never in your life faced down skinheads, while you blithly excuse the victims' assumption of the risk in this incident.

crashing a permitted rally to "protest" fellow citizens because they find what the rally goers say and believe offensive, makes the planners/coordinators criminally negligent (by law--they basically shouted fire in a crowed theater), thus eligible for being charged with negligent manslaughter. and every rally protester is 100% guilty, every last one of them including ms heyer, for incitement. there is no "but i'm a good, sweet, innocent, pure bernie supporter who showed up at a rally to spread love." she was there in solidarity with people holdings signs saying "kill the monsters." every one of them showed up to start shit and shout people down with ad hominem attacks, and they succeeded. pro-tip: only an idiot starts shit with skinheads.

if they had requested a permit, it would have been issued for some distance away, precisely to avoid what happened.

is it a tragedy that people were hurt and someone got killed? absolutely. was it 100% preventable? absolutely. do the rally crashers bear the lion share for having created volatile and dangerous situation? absolutely.

you know what kills me? these antifa assholes, self righteous bernieites, and radicalized blue dog democrats are all solidly middle and upper middle class. and white. most have had fuck all interaction with black people and illegal immigrants. none have known want or financial insecurity. they reek so strongly of white priveldge that they castigated amaju barraka, a black man, for calling out bernie's white supremacist imperialism over for his support of the yemeni genocide (at least while obama was manning the drones). way to take black perspectives seriously, you should be proud.

i graduated from UVA law. not one of those fucking priveleged, legacy POS's care about anything but their own social persona. right now that is "bad ass, fake socialist, defenders of civility." i'll let you ponder the oxymoron.

Well said. Should be at the top of the list. My upvote doesn't even register on your post....

how could even know? The score is hidden

You have some great posts on this thread. I wish there were more people with your analytical skills.

you know what kills me? these antifa assholes, self righteous bernieites, and radicalized blue dog democrats are all solidly middle and upper middle class. and white. most have had fuck all interaction with black people and illegal immigrants. none have known want or financial insecurity. they reek so strongly of white priveldge that they castigated amaju barraka, a black man, for calling out bernie's white supremacist imperialism over for his support of the yemeni genocide (at least while obama was manning the drones). way to take black perspectives seriously, you should be proud.

I was with you up to here. You seem bigoted against antifascistas, or are some of your best friends antifascistas?

Like I hear your side of the argument, but the Nazis threw this protest expecting retaliation; they literally came armed expecting a fight. They, like most people, know that every fucking rally in this country will have counter protesters, doesn't matter what side is demonstrating legally, left and right. And whether their protest was legal or not doesn't excuse them from the responsibility they bear in this murder; they throw this rally almost entirely to piss people off, intimidated them, and start shit; and look what happened.

No I've never gone to counter protest against White Supremacists. Do you have a fucking point?

Blaming the victims is a classic right wing that comes straight from the bullshit playbook. That tactic has been played out hundreds of times on this sub in the past 24 hours and it never gains ground. People, even counter protestors, have a right to peaceful assembly and have a right to free speech. Just because they're in the vicinity or white supremacists does not take away their right to free speech.

You claim to have graduated from law school but you seem to know piss all about the law. I'd love for you to try to argue in a court of law that it's the victims fault she was murdered. Last time I checked the prosecutor charged the man who drove his car through a crowd of counter protestors with murder and not a single counter protestor was arrested. But bad ass anonymous redditor thinks he knows the law better. People went there to protest against the radical dangerous right wing nazis and the right ended up killing one of them and injuring 19 others. Disgusting. And you try to shift the blame away from those who directly carried out the attacks onto those who were innocently and peacefully protesting white supremacists.

A permit to assemble wouldn't have stopped a man driving a car into a crowd full of people. Are you seriously trying to claim that? You can't be that stupid

Nope the person who bears the responsibility is the person who the drove the car into the crowd. That's why he's arrested and the protestors aren't. You fail at law, bigly.

you know what kills me? these antifa assholes, self righteous bernieites, and radicalized blue dog democrats are all solidly middle and upper middle class

Some are, some are lower class. They all come from different backgrounds but nice try at demonizing them as being elitist upper class rich folk. That's another common right tactic and it won't work here because it's patently false. You're drivel of a post is shameful and pathetic.

Wake me when Bernie bros start running folks down with cars. Until then you are just parroting propaganda.

What about them opening fire on congressional recreational activities?

dude...lol

i'm as far from a right wing nazi as you can get, and i'd give you 100 to 1 that you never in your life faced down skinheads, while you blithly excuse the victims' assumption of the risk in this incident

skinhead ≠ nazis, but I'm sure you knew that since you've faced down so many

crashing a permitted rally to "protest" fellow citizens because they find what the rally goers say and believe offensive, makes the planners/coordinators criminally negligent (by law--they basically shouted fire in a crowed theater), thus eligible for being charged with negligent manslaughter. and every rally protester is 100% guilty, every last one of them including ms heyer, for incitement. there is no "but i'm a good, sweet, innocent, pure bernie supporter who showed up at a rally to spread love." she was there in solidarity with people holdings signs saying "kill the monsters." every one of them showed up to start shit and shout people down with ad hominem attacks, and they succeeded. pro-tip: only an idiot starts shit with skinheads

Do you have any legal precedent for that? Any at all? It is obviously a LOT different than yelling fire in a theater, those situations are so laughably far apart that there is no point in discussing it. I would give it no chance that someone who organized a peaceful protest will be held liable for some murderer driving his car into a crowd, much less the protesters themselves

is it a tragedy that people were hurt and someone got killed? absolutely. was it 100% preventable? absolutely. do the rally crashers bear the lion share for having created volatile and dangerous situation? absolutely.

For the small time fights and scraps? Maybe. For vehicular homicide? Again, give me any precedent for that

The rest is all your emotional rant and not really relevant so I won't bother with that

Did you really just label right wing people as Nazi's?

Are you killing OP a nazi? Seriously?

he's calling everyone who wants to look deeper into this nazis.

Oh okay. That's much more ridiculous. I looked at OP's submission history and it's pretty absurd in itself.

That's too bad, because there are legitimate concerns over what happened in Charlottesville. Calling anybody that looks into the matter a nazi sympathizer is just going to take us back a couple decades. When are people going to wake the hell up?

Those are the stupid people that fall in the divide and conquer game.

We are not fucked, but those people really make it harder.

Well judging by the evidence you provided did you ever think maybe they picked him because A. He filmed it and B. He has the credentials to be on tv?

he is walking the street filming what is in front of him in a protest!

he is walking the street filming what is in front of him in a protest!

Why is his connection to the government being wiped from the internet?

I dont know and I'm not sure he is. This doesn't change anything nor make this a conspiracy. All your trying to do is take focus away from the facts and muddy the waters

This doesn't change anything nor make this a conspiracy.

Uh, I'm sorry man but

his connection to the government being wiped from the internet?

is exactly what makes it a conspiracy.

chose to air? They've like aired them all...

No one is buying it.

Why are they wiping his info on the government websites?

The guy was witness to a real terrorist event. I care that it was documented, not who the witness works for.

Shills out in force this week

Shilling for whom? Because most of the threads I've seen today are posted by OP's like this - frequently submit to /r/adolfhitler and /r/white_pride

"7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could so taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive."

http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/25-rules-disinformation/

"7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could so taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive."

http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/25-rules-disinformation/

Which...is exactly what you're doing by replying with that? You're implying I'm following these 25 rules and therefore have hidden personal agenda or bias. Do you want to talk about OP's history or do you want to avoid the issue that they're clearly a white supremacist?

And don't say "I'm refusing to talk about the issues the OP posted" because the comment I'm referring to was off topic and simply calling out the presence of shills.

And by replying I'm defying rule 6. I'm not sure if I'm doing this right or not, you seem to know the rules better than me.

You're implying I'm following these 25 rules and therefore have hidden personal agenda or bias.

Your words speak for themselves. If you aren't intending to spread disinformation, ask yourself: "why am I using unsound logic described in a disinformation manual?"

Saying "they're Nazis, don't listen" is a basic logical fallacy. To get granular, Hitler was a monster, but he was right about the efficacy of using combined armed tactics in World War II. OP is talking about facts of this incident, they can very well be an outright Nazi and it has no bearing on the truth of their post.

Do you want to talk about OP's history or do you want to avoid the issue that they're clearly a white supremacist?

In this case, it's irrelevant. OP was sharing information from other sources; we don't need to rely on their credibility, so attacking their credibility is a fallacy of relevance.

And don't say "I'm refusing to talk about the issues the OP posted" because the comment I'm referring to was off topic and simply calling out the presence of shills.

You were pretending shills don't exist, when we all know they do.

Quality post upvoted to the top of the front page; top comments in said post dismissing the idea of a conspiracy claiming "nothing to see here."

notice when it's not a staged event of theirs, there is often a few days of silence before they get a new script.

Look at OP's history , the guy is a fucking nazi

Boo. You guYs are running out of ideas.

Many of us have been saying the NSA lives in your cell phone since before iphones. We were outcasts. People called us crazy. Now, all these kids come in and think they can earn some internet points to validate their otherwise boring existence, by posting nonsense. I'd be glad to see young people questioning authority except that they are here to argue for their side which no way in hell could have THEM brainwashed.

Listen kids. If you think donal gives a rats add about you, grow up. No one cares about you. Not the left or the right.

It's all a big game to them. Stop being a fucking pawn.

Stop defending either side. Make your own side. Make your own philosophy/party.

That /r/conspiracy would defend this "coincidence" says all we need to know about who is in control here

It's just a Cohencidence. What are you, some kind of Nazi? Oy, we obviously need to sticky more posts about how the Nazis did 9/11, so people can learn the Truth^TM !

Actually came to the subreddit to read more on this, this is a really curious coincidence. This is getting downvoted like crazy so it's interesting.

Is the guy just a regular freedom fighter that travels the world to fight injustice, and the media noticed their old pal there at the event? And to immediately get such an information scrubbing to make him look like average joe?

In the least sinister scenario, he might have been there as a plant ready for an interview. But then this murder happens, so they needed to clear any links or their psyop might look suspicious. Interesting games being played.

yep, just a regular freedom fighter like pappa john phillips of the mamas and the papas, army brat, naval academy student (can't get in without high up nominations, usually senators or generals), just happened to be freedom fighting everywhere a US backed coup or coup attempt occurred, from south america to cuba to ME, before he shows up with all of the other spook/army brat "counter culture" icons, like jim morrison, whose pops was the admiral who invented tonkin out of thin air, and frank zappa, the son of one of the guys who created our 1st ICBM...all under the watchful eye of the look out mountain top secret "movie studio."

i'm an anarchist, old time 80s punk, as far left as you can get--i don't believe in property, money, borders, governments, or jobs. i could give a fuck about white nationalists, anymore than i gave a fuck about skinheads, but the fact that these bernites and antifarians can't see that spoili g for a fight has agent provacteur all over it. at WTO whever some asshole started spoling for a fight, we assumed he was an agent orovacteur and surrounded him arms linked, just like us punks did when skins would try to infiltrate the pit.

these kids jumping are the most useful idiots i've ever seen, i just wish they'd stop tarnishing anarchists' good name with their bored upper middle class assholery. they have no clue and are the most credulous people on the face of the planet. "oh that guy with the chain, it's just self defense. he's anti facists."

charlottesville is only two hours away from spook central ffs.

For anyone interested in more detail on this Strange scenes from Laurel Canyon by Dave McGowan is some serious food for thought.

Or his book "Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon"

There were some secret societies at work with the counter culture, too. OTO and their lower level bodies were behind a lot of these people.

Yeah, anarchists have such a good name. Hippies were loved. So are pacifists and too cool for society people who depend on society and its technology.

More people need to be saying what you are saying. We need to put aside or ideological inclinations, look at this entire situation and ask "who benefits from what this is all leading to?"

Qui bono? Live by it.

i'm an anarchist [...] as far left as you can get

What fucking spectrum has anarchy on the left??

John Phillips' autobiography is mind blowing.
He was the first pop star to own his own publishing rights, and he put the first rock festivsl together, The Monterey Pop Festival, that introduced Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin to the world. A major influence on culture, creeping in te sidelines.
I have met his daughter Bijou a few times.

Arab Spring was a bunch of US backed agitators starting shit on social media and posting videos of fighting in the street to get young internet addicts riled up. Peep this: https://youtu.be/y6S8iQ5KSkU Here's the google employee/spook who made it happen talking about him making it happen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZwNb11n9zk They gave a Regional Marketing Manager from Google a Noble Peace Prize for being the tipping point in Egypt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wael_Ghonim

Here's Assange's take: https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/

Gets freaky when you compare it to what we are seeing here today

This is getting downvoted like crazy so it's interesting.

Yeah, I posted about it earlier and it was about to hit the front page, but got slammed by vote bots at the last minute.

Basically, the whole narrative has fallen apart within 24 hours. We've already got a State Department (which is the most common CIA cover) operative on the scene doing damage control.

Add in Faith Goldy being literally at the scene of the crash to get traumatic footage, although her narrative so far hasn't been too suspicious.

This is getting downvoted like crazy so it's interesting.

May be that this is the... I want to say ninth version of this post that has made the front page, and currently one of three that I can see on it with the other two being older than it. So it's being spammed every few hours and getting rather tiresome.

Maybe get outta the house or check out some other subreddits if the content on this one isn't to your liking.

Or use voting for what it's intended to be used for.

Thanks for sharing OP. Don`t get why people call you a "Nazi" for bringing up an alternative viewpoint, if true or not. That just supports the theory for me. Keep it up!

Maybe people call op a nazi because he posts nazi propaganda in nazi subs. Pretty straightforward, don't you think?

One would think. But one would also think someone carrying a swastika flag and throwing sieg heils would make one a neo-nazi, yet this guy thinks all those guys were paid agitators. By the liberals, I'm sure.

It's mind blowing and infuriating.

That's the new spin. It's like when they were trying to say the people holding nazi flags weren't actual neo-nazis or white nationalists because the nazi flags they were flying had creases/foldmarks.

They weren't real neo-nazis because the flags were clearly just bought by Soros himself and shipped to these undercover liberal's doorsteps to make neo-nazis look bad.

It's so absurd. At first I thought it was ignorance. But now I'm pretty certain it is a concerted effort to change the narrative. And it's working, as now my Great Aunt in Nowhere, America is repeating this crap.

Maybe you're right. But I won't call anyone a Nazi just because he has a different viewpoint without even discussing the point he is making. Exactly this ignorant behavior leads to condemming people without discussing important topics(like the Nazis did). If he is one, why does that mean that Brennan Gilmore isn't an State department asset?

But I won't call anyone a Nazi just because he has a different viewpoint

That's a part of the problem in the USA right now. This indifferent attitude about a group of protesters flying Nazi flags and passing it off as some first amendment rights and how we should listen to them.

If he is a Nazi, why does 1 state department connection out of 50+ videos from citizens make this a government conspiracy? You can reverse the question and have no answer for it.

Where is this propaganda?

Anybody with half a brain should ignore this moron. Just look at OP's freaking name. Does that maybe say anything about his agenda?

Ahh, I see. I still think you're making a moot point here, but at least your name isn't necessarily racist?

So we both made terrible points? How does the fact that I may have been incorrect somehow make you correct? You're so self-righteous it is hurting my brain. Also, quoting somebody and spewing parroted taglines does not make you intelligent. INB4 you quote that last sentence and spew some other snarky opinionated bullshit. I might as well be arguing with a bot.

Almost 48 hours have passed and still the only videos we have are the ones which were originally released? No videos that show 1 dead or 19 injured, or anyone with real injuries.

Loose ends and anomalies continue to emerge. The hoax is crumbling. Shills are sweating!

I have watched a number of these videos and it does not appear that that car has a sunroof either. Something smells with this whole thing.

Comments attacking OP's post history....check.

No actual discussion of the conspiracy OP is alleging...check.

You guys realize this is a conspiracy board right? Maybe respond with something thought out and beneficial for discussion. Why are you people even here?

So out of the hundreds of videos of the event CNN chose a guy who worked for the government.... and?

And so did fox news.

It's pretty clear there's a effort to spin this into "false flag" rather then domestic terrorism. And it's odd it's people who post in white supremacist subreddits are the ones posting it. OP could have at least used an alt to hide his bias.

"7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could so taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive."

http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/25-rules-disinformation/

Thanks for the definition!

Just not sure what's its regarding.

Report the no content bullshit for trolling. The sub is being brigaded and flooded by new shill accounts like crazy, so we have to give the mods a chance to take them out.

OP is a fucking shill. Not all shills are government ones.

This information was already dug up before OP. It's not like OP is the one who found out about it

This keeps getting spread here, almost coordinated in a way, and its bullshit.

For one, assuming this is the same guy, there's no "wiping" of web info on him. The State Department page was deleted in 2011, presumably when he left that position. The quotes attributed to him in a newspaper were simply tossed out in a later revision of the article, as they focused on the immediate aftermath of the attack but the story began to shift to the investigation, etc. Finally, I'd hardly call it a conspiracy that a lifelong politician happened to be at a major political rally.

Man someone really is working hard to implant this "false flag" narrative here.

That someone is the neo-Nazis at 4chan/8chan /pol/. Go there, and you can see them constructing it in real-time.

The alt-right and Nazi huggers in America is working around the clock to make this not about Trump, alt-right and national Socialism.

Fucking sickening

This isn't about Trump, alt-right or national Socialism though. That is why it looks so much like a false flag. You want to the nation to blame the whole right side of the political spectrum for this one lunatics actions? It's fucking sickening that you want to blame this on Trump, alt-right, or national socialism.

These aren't nazis? How dare we blame nazis??

WHo should we blame, the left. As always? The jews? The muslims?

You blame the one guy that did the crime.

So the majority of ISIS are cool dudes, it's just the ISIS terrorist that actually do the terrorist acts that are bad?

Cool, gotcha!

That's a horrible comparison to begin with but in the US we charge the people guilty of the crime, not everyone in the vicinity.

Maybe the person responsible would be a good place to start. Why are people always looking for a scapegoat other than the individual responsible. If it's a mass shooting we blame guns, if it is an attack with a vehicle we blame their ideology. Does that make sense to you?

They are even shaming the victim for being obese:

https://np.reddit.com/r/Physical_Removal/comments/6tgu0s/breaking_news_she_was_less_a_victim_of_the_dodge/??r

LOL

Good boy. Divide and conquer.

"7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could so taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive."

http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/25-rules-disinformation/

More nazi apologists

I kind of understand why Nazi's feel the way they do. I've never seen a more representative set of bottom-rung individuals that seem to have absolutely nothing going for them other than the color of their own skin, and their perpetuated hate for others. They band together in this way as a group, because no other group would have them.

It's important to recall what happened clearly, and to think rationally in your speculation on any events like these.

If anyone is telling you that you're on the wrong side for asking questions, be more than suspicious of them. Asking questions and clarifying the truth of an event is a hallmark of being an intelligent human being.

This applies to those on any side of an argument. If someone asks you to think irrationally, or truly, if they try to influence your way of thinking by means other than cogent argument and appeals to reason they are to be ignored or berated.

edit: I wrote this further down a comment thread but realized halfway through that I was responding to the thread as a whole rather than a single person, so I posted top level with the direct response removed.

Even if it's not a conspiracy, always try and see an issue from multiple sides.

You can see a lot of non users try to deflect by calling you a monster for questioning things. It's kinda sad really.

I was called a "genocidal piece of shit" today for suggesting to one of these users that all this violence needs to stop from BOTH sides, not just the one you disagree with the most.

It was a good day.

There's a big difference between "questioning everything" and "believing everything" that people have a hard time dealing with. Like, even acknowledging that something different MIGHT have happened is tantamount to wanting to throw Jews in the oven.

When I heard people believed in a flat earth, I looked into the evidence that they had, and found that it was barely evidence at all, and that flat earth is pretty dumb to believe in. It doesn't mean that I'm going to just ignore the possibility.

Asking questions and clarifying the truth of an event is a hallmark of being an intelligent human being.

Well said.

In what state is the CIA headquartered? The perpetrator was from Ohio, but a CIA guy from the same state makes his way there and, well, what?

What the fuck. Just what the fuck. I only get truly outraged occasionally anymore. My eyes have been open for roughly 15 years, but this has done it. I am truly pissed off.

"coincidence theorists."

you guys the muslim attacks in europe were false flags committed by far right groups to make muslims look bad

so many nazi allegations and calls for violence! weird how this never happens with islam when we have our weekly/monthly terror event.

this is nothing more than identity politics run amuck. if you tell people to pick a side and stand with it or else long enough, eventually you'll get people committing violent acts in the name of some retarded cause.

NPRs conclusion today: guns should be banned at protests. Wish I was high enough to arrive at that conclusion.

Nobody is going to believe your pathetic attempts to make this look like a false flag. Own up to your extremist rhetoric and its terrorism inspiring consequences.

now why on earth would someone who posts in: * /r/whitepride * /r/holocaust * /r/uncensorednews * /r/WhiteRights

want to make it seem like a murder commited at a white pride rally was a false flag?

I guess we'll never know

By chance, does he also post on r/incels? I almost have bingo.

Does /r/uncensorednews really fit in with those subreddits?

They are just trying to distract from the actual topic. Just downvote, ignore and move on.

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To everyone saying it was a peaceful protest before the instigators arrived then why did the white supremacists show up first? They surrounded an all black church the night before and cornered UVA students. They had every intention of stirring up shit.

That was their event, the police backed them up into the counter protest

So you’re saying they weren’t part of Unite the Right but just happened to be there on their own accord in an unrelated event?

Questions: Why allow a counter protest? Jeesh anyone could have seen the dominoes falling.

If you approve a counter protest why not draw a blue line and separate them far away from one another?

Why accept a counter protest when you know you don't have adequate police force to govern it?

Why did the drivers airbag not deploy when he rammed the car?

Is the video edited? We see him drive up no damage then back out with a bat in the window and front of car in pieces. I know they may have edited for censoring the death/injuries but somebody has to have video of all the people hitting the car with bats.

The driver drove straight back after getting attacked - if he wanted to take more lives he could have swerved and taken out about 12 more...but didn't. Why?

Why is CrowdsOnDemand involved?

He was so articulate, not scripted because all diplomats are trained crisis reporters. The written and oral tests they have to take are so difficult they have an admission rate lower than Harvard. They are trained in mock up cities to keep their heads during explosions, fire and smoke. They have on the ground training in administering first aid after a bombing, escape driving, how to avoid being followed, to always have an escape route and when to evacuate an embassy. More ambassadors have been killed than generals in the last 50 years This may sound like similar training to agents, but agents can do nothing public. CIA agents are always under cover of some obscure job, hide from cameras and can do nothing public, including giving interviews after a tragedy

Although a Democrat, Brennan has won the Secretary of State's award for Public Outreach under a Republican administration. Served proudly under Colin Powell and Condolezza Rice, both Republican. His interest is human rights and democracy which the current president says the State department will no longer address, so he left to work for the campaign of his last boss. You can read his human rights and democracy reports if you go to the state department websites for the country during the years he was assigned there if they have not been removed by this administration. Human Rights is paramount in the domestic and foreign safety of our citizens. Every country that is a threat to ours is a country with no respect for human rights and no legitimate democracy. (Russia, North Korea, WW2 Germany,) The video swung around because he had to jump out of the way of the car both coming and backing up. Why don't you google his actual history and pictures instead imagining crazy stuff.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2015-12-28/burundi-rivals-gather-in-uganda-for-peace-negotiations

yep, just a regular freedom fighter like pappa john phillips of the mamas and the papas, army brat, naval academy student (can't get in without high up nominations, usually senators or generals), just happened to be freedom fighting everywhere a US backed coup or coup attempt occurred, from south america to cuba to ME, before he shows up with all of the other spook/army brat "counter culture" icons, like jim morrison, whose pops was the admiral who invented tonkin out of thin air, and frank zappa, the son of one of the guys who created our 1st ICBM...all under the watchful eye of the look out mountain top secret "movie studio."

i'm an anarchist, old time 80s punk, as far left as you can get--i don't believe in property, money, borders, governments, or jobs. i could give a fuck about white nationalists, anymore than i gave a fuck about skinheads, but the fact that these bernites and antifarians can't see that spoili g for a fight has agent provacteur all over it. at WTO whever some asshole started spoling for a fight, we assumed he was an agent orovacteur and surrounded him arms linked, just like us punks did when skins would try to infiltrate the pit.

these kids jumping are the most useful idiots i've ever seen, i just wish they'd stop tarnishing anarchists' good name with their bored upper middle class assholery. they have no clue and are the most credulous people on the face of the planet. "oh that guy with the chain, it's just self defense. he's anti facists."

charlottesville is only two hours away from spook central ffs.

People do. Look at any mass shooting. This event is not an exception. It has people blaming a whole side of the political spectrum for the horrible doings of one individual. Also, the whole nation now assumes that the participants of the protest accurately reflect the personal traits of every Trump voter.

This is getting downvoted like crazy so it's interesting.

Yeah, I posted about it earlier and it was about to hit the front page, but got slammed by vote bots at the last minute.

Basically, the whole narrative has fallen apart within 24 hours. We've already got a State Department (which is the most common CIA cover) operative on the scene doing damage control.

Add in Faith Goldy being literally at the scene of the crash to get traumatic footage, although her narrative so far hasn't been too suspicious.

There is violence on both sides though. Up and down as well. Anybody who does an act such as this should be denounced. Their personal opinions on politics and race shouldn't really matter. This guy was a shit human and shit humans exist with all sorts of ideas.

Thanks for the definition!

Just not sure what's its regarding.

This is getting downvoted like crazy so it's interesting.

May be that this is the... I want to say ninth version of this post that has made the front page, and currently one of three that I can see on it with the other two being older than it. So it's being spammed every few hours and getting rather tiresome.

I literally love this logic. It's so ass backwards it's just fucking hilarious.

Even if it's not a conspiracy, always try and see an issue from multiple sides.

Leave OP alone. He is merely standing up for his fellow 4chan patriot who got denied his good boy points.

In another incident in 2010, Bloom said that Fields smacked her in the head and locked her in the bathroom after she told him to stop playing video games. Bloom told officers Fields was on medication to control his temper.

http://www.ksfy.com/content/news/Bond-denied-for-suspect-in-Virginia-rally-death-440328163.html

You can see a lot of non users try to deflect by calling you a monster for questioning things. It's kinda sad really.

That's exactly what you guys are on about. This isn't about protecting nazis, that's just what you all keep saying to make everyone look bad. Nazi is the new Russia for everyone to point their finger at.

There's a big difference between "questioning everything" and "believing everything" that people have a hard time dealing with. Like, even acknowledging that something different MIGHT have happened is tantamount to wanting to throw Jews in the oven.

When I heard people believed in a flat earth, I looked into the evidence that they had, and found that it was barely evidence at all, and that flat earth is pretty dumb to believe in. It doesn't mean that I'm going to just ignore the possibility.

Asking questions and clarifying the truth of an event is a hallmark of being an intelligent human being.

Well said.

i didnt realize i was facing the choir