Barely a minute and you already have downvotes. Shame I only have upvote.

Everyone suggesting this was not organic gets downvoted equally, don't worry

Yes, there's enough red flags in this case to start playing minesweeper

A+ for this thread and putting it all together btw

Why do people at this point still assume anything reported by the MSM is organic? Have we not had false flag after false flag? I'm mean Jesus, they lie to us constantly and propagate literal fake news on an almost daily basis. Isn't it the rational stance to not give them the benefit of the doubt every single time?

They have bots, we don't. That's the main difference.

What you just said should be the default in this sub but you know know what state it is right now lol

Haha check out the other replies to my comment. Right you are.

They're getting sloppy and obvious

This thread at 60%? why? too much good info in one spot that makes people go hmmmmm

Yeah this is a conspiracy forum but false flags don't real, guys. Right guys? No false flags.

nobody have say that in this discussion, you are arguing with a voice that is only in your head

You think those are bots? How sophisticated do you think bots are?

Nah I don't think the entities making the actual replies are bots. I hope they're not that sophisticated, although I wouldn't call the rhetoric I see from these conspiracy naysayers sophisticated by human standards..

Have we not had false flag after false flag?

Well that's the point, isn't it? I'd say that no, no we haven't.

You're happy to call pretty much anything a false flag on the flimsiest of evidence. Once you get that idea in your head no amount of reporting will change it.

It will only reinforce your notion.

Careful there. Throughout history there have been some real false-flag events, and agent provocateurs at protests and within related groups is well documented.

Doesn't change the fact that some morons here don't believe anything ever happens and it's actors, if not a false-flag. But your blanket statement is far from true.

this has to be absolutely clarified!!! the fact that we don't believe that THIS IS does not mean by any way that we dont believe in the possibility of false flags

What's sad is that we have a "boy who cried wolf" thing going on now. Everything time something happens I check this sub to see how quickly someone cries "false flag!" This time it's extra loud because it's not just fantastical thinking, there's an element astroturfing the notion.

Conspiracy theorists are slurping up some bullshit that serves to discredit actual conspiracy theories.

No, you're just believing what you want to believe based on "facts" that don't exist.

False flag after false flag? You are deluded.

The whole sub is getting pretty tired, It's like people genuinely believe that crazy fuckers don't sometimes do crazy ass things, followed by flimsy bullshit evidence and the inevitable "we're so woke" circle jerk.

Many people here are so 'woke' that everything that most people believe has to be a lie and a grand conspiracy. They've turned being contrarian into some sort of fantasy adventure where they're the hero.

What it does is make them really easy to manipulate.

So here we have 1) T_D and literal Nazis showing up with something that contradicts what most people think (including the loathsome 'MSM'), 2) they're saying it's some sort of Jewish-deep-state-Soros false-flag so it's part of the fantasy, and 3) everyone who says otherwise is a shill trying to manipulate our hero.

Are all the other false flags like this false flag? Because in that case, there have been no false flags at all, just people desperately trying to pile enough lies together to trick stupid people from seeing the truth.

this is not about FOX or CNN, nobody here believe they, but to say that the piece of shit needs more than being a piece of shit is ridiculous... ALL they are controled, antifa, altright, WE KNOW... just not defend a murderer and wait for applause.

i downed... just to say

The minivan was one of two vehicles idling/observing the march that the Challenger plowed into.

Looking at the picture in the above link; if you zoom into his body, does that look like glasses in front of his chest?

Yeah, looks kinda like the sunglasses he's seen wearing in those other photos.

You cant link directly to 4chan images, so yer gonna have to rehost those for anyone to pay attention.

Had to open every pic in a new tab, check Captcha and by the end was doing multi-step quiz questions on top of check captcha to prove non-robot status. ..and most of this was old information for anyone whose been paying attention. Come on man.

Good man. Thanks for your effort.

Soros is up to his old antics again.

Mhmm the Jewish businessman is clearly funding Nazis so that he can make America socialist because as we all know socialism is really great for business. Just looking at the booming economy in Venezuela!

Khazarian Jews funded the real Nazis back on the day and Soros actually worked for real Nazis back in the day.

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Sooo... how do they know the car he's posing next to is the same one used in the crash? That would literally explain away 3/4 of this

He pretty much admits owning that very car he's leaning on right here.

One of the dumbest things is that the photo of him posing with the car is right after he bought it. He could have had a tint job and paint job since then.

Also, why would they go through all of this then make him the fall person and not use his car? If he was always the fall person, they could have just used his fucking car to begin with. Any stunt driver could have survived that crash fairly easily. He was going maybe 25 mpg.

Pretty much. People who buy sports cars are known to keep their cars completely 100% stock after all! /s

hahaha yeah the band nerd chubby gamer recluse kid at my HS was totes known for spending his day in the garage tinkering with his ride. It was obviously what his passion was spent on and not sitting indoors and shitposting online and playing games and complaining about society. No, totally. Not making up stories to fit a narrative at all, he was a reclusive nerdy internet dwelling neck beard who like to customize his mustang and somehow always retained his "I don't move ever" pudginess/sallowness. Yep, totally happened.

k.

Charleston Conspiracy Deflection Technique: "If you lose an argument, just pretend like you are either unable to understand, or simply dismiss it, without going into any detail".

Man I don't understand it.. Doesn't a part of you want to be a good person and do right by others? It must be really difficult to be do what you do, that is, if you understand what it is you are doing and what it means.

If not, carry on then, I suppose, and time will take care of it.

Not the person you're responding to, but did you really make a counterpoint someone could argue against? You kind of went off on a sarcastic rant.

If you're implying that chubby basement dwellers never bother working on their car then that seems a little silly, right?

Just as silly as saying that all Charger owners spend time fixing up their vehicles, yes. I think you should treat people fairly, not judge groups by stereotypes and am quite frankly jarred at the amount of hypocrisy I am seeing in those who continuously take the plate for the MSM version of how this went down.

How did it actually go down?

Exactly. Like, god damn dude.. Exactly.

We all have no idea. Everyone started calling everyone Nazis, the people that were getting called Nazis felt like they had to defend themselves, so they looked into this and a whole lot of fucky stuff comes up, that gets shared around, so then like 2 million more people show up everywhere and start saying that thinking that anything fucky is happening makes you into a Nazi, then there's, like, the deep state for a minute with the Brennon guy, and finally, to top it all off, we have an "official" story that is being run by the media that is based on nothing more than speculations and heresay pieced together from fragmented and suspect information, and we still have no idea how most of it went down, yet we are expected to hate.

Wtf are you talking about? It was a planned white-nationalist event and Nazi symbolism was being used rampantly at the march.

Just rampantly, weren't they.

Uh, yeah actually

haha nah man. I bet you're one of the people who reads a headline like "Trump ashamed by his actions which we will list!", with a pic of Trump looking sad, and think "Trump is ashamed by his actions which I will read!", because obviously he is sad in the picture.

haha nah man. I'm actually one of those people who thinks it's pretty obvious that Trump is the elite's tool being used to devastatingly fracture this entire country. You seem to be one of those idiots who's falling for it and think he's actually fighting against the elites that rule this world.

"Trump is owned by the deepstate, he's their tool"

"Trump can't be against the deepstate because he is deepstate."

Sooo... Trump is owned by the deepstate, but he also is the deepstate, but they hate him, so he really hates himself, and he has no reason to fight the deepstate, because the deepstate is really Trump. Fuck.. Of course that's what it is..... I feel silly now, but what a relief. I was getting so bogged down in my crazy tinfoil world of "political opponent fights entrenched political opponent; causes and effected ensue". Your way is much simpler.

Wtf do you think the marchers were trying to invoke? Carrying flames torches in the night, doing the "sieg heil", screaming "white lives matter", carrying nazi flags? Like honestly, what kind of mental gymnastics are you playing in your mind right now to be confused on if it was actually a neo-nazi march?

Dude you're falling for the soundbytes that they want you to fall for, watching the clips they want you to watch. It wasn't a nazi march, bro. There may have been some idiot larp level nazi fags from 4chan there, and they may have been Soros plants, who knows, but that protest was about protecting the statue of Robert E. Lee from being taken down for racial reasons. I mean.. That's.. "you will not replace us", not "kill all the Jews".

Now speculation time: I think that seeing white people mobilize against racism of their own kind scared those that are seeking to do things like take down statues of old dead white guys, and so, they sent in marchers with fresh new nazi flags to march among the real protesters, they only took pics of them, they bused in idiot college kids and told them they were gonna be fighting real life Nazis, they went retarded, cops ordered to stand down, protesters marched through agitators, agitation happened, attacks happened, girl gets killed, alt-right are all labeled as Nazis, and the degradations and perversions hopefully get back on schedule while the white people will be too ashamed, too reminded of their own perceived dirtiness, to rise up for themselves and say "yeah nice try how about no".

Ok then, show me the clips "they don't want me to see." Your entire comment is completely off unfounded evidence and a desire to believe what you want to believe. Agendas are being pushed across this country for sure, but you're an idiot if you don't think racism & hostility against minorities is a real thing in this country still. Go to the fucking south for a day

haha I live in Texas. Had a steak from my mexican neighbor's grill and yesterday I literally taught alternated picking to a HS guitarist in a metal band that is also made up of Mexicans. You need to calm down and we can totally discuss this. Don't look to beat me, and instead say "what does this interaction have to offer me, and what do I have to offer it?". Just try it, like openly and sincerely. Even if we end up disagreeing, it feels really good, and we'll respect each other after.

GREAT post dude! I think that represents the MAJORITY of the people in this country. Most of us live in racially diverse neighborhoods, towns, cities etc. and get along fine with others. You hit the nail on the head. CALM down and discuss this rationally. We are being radicalized by the MSM and others with a specific agenda in mind. Wake up and stop the madness before it is too late!!!!!

Generalizing an entire group of people based on their skin color, the way they speak, or where they are from is entirely fucked up. I'm sure we agree on that, right?

Why is it only okay to be totally and completely bigoted about southern white men?

They're not all racist Bible thumpers any more than all Muslims are terrorists.

Talking like this about the South is nothing more than racist, xenophobic, christophobic nonsense.

I was actually agreeing with you until you went against everything you were trying to say by being a bigot.

It honestly makes me want to look into the other guy's argument, because you clearly see anyone from the south, and likely the right on general, as racists.

How can I trust your opinion about the percentage of the event being Nazis if you, yourself, clearly are bigoted towards the South? They were there for the Robert E Lee statue, which makes them Southerners, or at least close enough for you to generalize them all at the same time.

You've done your argument a huge disservice by being a racist xenophobe. And that's coming from someone who was agreeing with you until the last line.

Go to the fucking south for a day

That's what i said. When did I say or imply "all southerners are racist"? Hmmm??? No, you're just putting words in my mouth, but yes a lot of racists do come from the South. Which is obvious and makes a lot of sense given the South's history with slavery.

Your implication is that on any given day in any part of the South you're guaranteed to experience or witness racism.

You wanna experience a suicide bombing? Go to the fucking middle East for a day.

See how ridiculous your statement is?

Spin it however you want, you're as bad as an actual islamophobe.

A lot of racists come from the Northeast, but that doesn't fit the narrative of people that are okay to demonize, so they get a pass.

Why do you feel that it's okay to demonize the entirety of the South? Because everyone else does it? Because it's an acceptable meme?

I think it's as atrocious as any other generalization of an entire group of people, and I find it indefensible.

Apparently you do, as well, now that you've been called on it. That's why your defense was simply, "I didn't do that!"

Like it or not, you did do that. The bright side is that you can be a better person in the future and call other people out for this nonsense.

Actually, a better comparison would be:

"Want to meet a radical Islamist? Go to the middle East for a day"

Which would be a true statement, as you're more likely to find one there than anywhere else in the world. Just as you're more likely to find a racist in the South than anywhere else in the U.S.

There's racists everywhere, but its pretty much common knowledge that the South has the most of them. After all, racism is passed down by generations (its not something you're born with), and like I said there was, ya know, SLAVERY in the South 150 years ago. Its gonna take more than a couple centuries for racist ideologies to stopped being passed down from when people's ancestors fucking (literally) owned black people.

https://www.thetoptens.com/most-racists-states-us/

And no, I didn't demonize the entire South. I didn't say all southerners racist. I said go to South if you want to see racism, because that's where you're most likely to see it in the U.S. I'm sorry that you're offended by facts.

Charleston Conspiracy Parrotting Talking Points Fail: Misread your info packet, think its Charleston, South Carolina.

Wait.. Do you expect me to respond? That was just an impenetrable mass of babble that I refuse to take the time to dissect.

You can have that one to use on the next guy.

k.

Aw come on.. It had more zing to it than your version, and not even a thank you? Why I am shocked, sir. Shocked.

That wasn't an argument. That was you projecting your insecurities.

K.

and the sunroof? I mean, I guess it's possible, but.

I have slight theory that they "Michael hastinged" the car to floor it into the crowd but it's just a personal theory.

That's a more valid theory than then buying a new car, reinforcing it, getting new plates, etc.

Wikileaks proved that this is possible. I mean for all we know there could be a guy(or gal) with a remote control in that seedy looking suv that's in the background of that picture.

There are enough inconsistencies that the questions deserve to be asked. When someone answers them, then we can move on to other questions like: who is this kid, who does he know, what does he think, and who/what inspired him to do this?

We'll likely get all those answers when it goes to trial.

Those aren't questions we can't ask. I understand why people want to know, but when people decide to 'investigate' things like this, they start drawing ridiculous conclusions.

Nothing is ever allowed to end in nothing here, everything always has to be something.

That's what our thing is. We don't talk about confirmed conspiracies so much because it's our mission to piece together the theories that sometimes really do solve these things. I mean, if you don't like it, and you're still here, I can only think of one reason why you would choose to stay.

If you can only think of one reason then you don't have a very broad imagination. Also I understand the subs desire to seek out conspiracies, but it looses credibility when every world event is deemed a conspiracy. Itd just be refreshing that for once everyone agrees something happenEd the way it looks. It's exhausting to pick apart the endless layers of every event, especially when logic dictates that at least a few of them a innocent events.

If you're exhausted by thinking critically, maybe its not for you.

Digging for inconsistencies in everything is not thinking critically. What you guys do here is not thinking critically, if it was half this shit wouldn't be talked about. There's a certain suspension of disbelief a lot of conspiracies require, because they are that wild, that just does t connect with critical thinking. Critical thinking would have killed the likes of pizzagate and similar very out there conspiracies.

I disagree whole heartedly. Being critical of things in front of you for fun and sport keeps the mind sharp. Trusting the shit they sell on TV and in newspapers, does not. I have no disbelief that I need to suspend.

If you were ready to just swallow the shit they say the elite does the first time someone told you than you are the most woke man on the planet. To me and many other the concept of a presidential candidate being part of an elite pedophile ring is fucking bonkers and requires a lot of suspension of disbelief to be looked into. The first step in becoming a conspiracy theorist is the suspension of disbelief because a lot of this shit is too crazy to believe at first glance. It isn't until you suspend that disbelief that you can look into things and learn the truth.

Have you ever heard of the Lolita Express?

That's not the point, my point really has nothing to do with pizzagate, I just used it as an example of an out here theory. My point was that in order to first entertain many of these thoughts you have to suspend your natural disbelief that they are absolutely insane senario s.and for most people if they critically thought about those things instead of suspending thier disbelief than theyd dismiss it out of hand as preposterous.

Again, what disbelief? When I hear that powerful rich dudes have been caught fucking kids, I don't say to myself "that's impossible!"

Again man you're focusing on the wrong thing here. And pizza gate is a lot more than rich dudes getting caught fucking kids (especially since none of them have been caught yet) but still not the point.

Havent you noticed how most people think pg is insane? And will call you crazy for believing it? That's because they haven't suspend the belief that something so evil and secret could happen right under thier noses. Most people aren't ready to just accept the existence of an elite pedo ring like you are. Take yourself out of your shoes and put yourself into an average Joe who doesn't buy into conspiracies. To him the whole thing would sound crazy, he'd find it impossible to believe, especially with the lack of hard evidence that plagues most conspiracies. He has to suspend his disbelief that this can't happen before he can start connecting the dots on his own.

So the Average Joe isn't cut out for thinking critically. He'd rather let Facebook run PsyOps on him, figuring out just what to put in his news feed to make him feel most complacent (or most on edge.. lions and tigers and NAZIS OH MY!!)

You obviously don't even understand what I'm trying to say. You seemed more concerned with lampooning the world we live in than having a rational discussion about how it's very hard for average people to swallow the ideas that float around here and that before they can accept any of them, they have to set aside what they thought was possible and impossible in this world.

Give people more credit.

What the fuck are you talking about? 99% of people reject most conspiracies. That might as well be a fucking fact. What am I supposed to give them credit for? We all know people dont believe these things when we tell them. Go around telling people about pizzagate in real life and they will all call you crazy for the most part. There's nothing to give them credit for, they've already proven they don't want to or can't believe most of these things are true. I'd go as far as to say they are at least in part conditioned to believe these things are impossible.

Did you seriously not know.most people outright reject most conspiracies from the get go? You give people too much credit or have spent to much time in the conspiracy bubble and think most people are like conspiracy theorist. They aren't.

Maybe don't lead with pizzagate. Lead with Epstein and Savile and Sandusky. Short jump from there to Podesta and PG and whatever. In my experience, people are very open to conjecture if you ask them what they think of the bullshit around them instead of telling them what you think of it. Also, the whole reason I engaged you was because you were begging the thread to please just condemn something so that we're all in it together. You have to learn that it is ok to think differently from others (and for others to think differently from you). In fact, by nature, everyone does it.

Of course it's ok to think differntly from others, but its also an extremely wonderful thing when we can agree on something. And I didn't want anything condemned, more the opposite. To for once just all agree there's nothing fishy about something, it'd be nice no? Just a little peace in a crazy world.

And that's a case with a precedent, by telling them about Epstein you are breaking their disbelief. You are showing them that it is in fact possible for that to happen. There are however a lot of conspiracies that don't have a confirmed case that shows that it is actually possible. Take reptilians for example, there's nothing like that in the world that you could point to and say "see it is possible" like you can with pg. So it will require a certain suspension of disbelief before you can entertain the arguments put forth in support of such an impossible idea. Pizza gate was a bad example of what i mean.

It's exhausting to pick apart the endless layers of every event, especially when logic dictates that at least a few of them must be innocent events.

It creates conspiracy fatigue. I don't consider myself one of those here who subscribe to paranoia and think everyone is a shill, however, I do wonder if there's an agenda and insistence that everything is false flag to give people conspiracy fatigue.

Guy is too broke to afford a lawyer but he's pimping out his car.. Ya okay.

Walk into any ghetto and see how many poor people have pimped out cars.

Also, tint and a racing stripe isn't breaking the bank, especially since he lives with his mom, so he doesn't pay rent or have any real bills to worry about.

Love how you just assume. There's lots of parents that make their kids pay rent or bills or they get kicked out.

There's also lots of parents who don't.

is too broke

he had a trust fund at one point, where's that at?

I mean he already had a reasonably new Challenger those aren't cheap. It seems pretty reasonable that if someone will spend tens of thousands frivolously to buy a new car they'd probably spend several hundred for some decals and shit.

tens of thousands

Tens of thousands? So 20k+?

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/d/dodge-challenger-se-coupe/6263241541.html

Try less than 12k.

Well I have to admit they are cheaper than I originally thought. However my point still stands. First of all he allegedly bought it a few years ago so it would have been more expensive then. Second even if it was just 12000 that is still a lot of money. I see no reason why someone who has already spent that much on a car wouldn't spring for the extra few hundred for decals and tint if that is something they are into.

Oh man all you guys' shoulders are gonna be so sore tonight. How many hours straight have you all been reaching?

The 4chan 'investigation' has some pretty ridiculous reaches on its own.

It's not a big reach to say someone may have had a couple changes done to their car since originally buying it.

Yeah so maybe you guys should back up and let the conspiracy sub do what it does? This is our thing. We put pieces together. You're hurting your own cause by gathering here in such obvious numbers. Like you're using the bottom of the barrel super obvious profiles with no activity in 2 years, or no submissions in /r/conspiracy until yesterday when you all came to call us idiots for seeing that this is a false flag with obvious motive (like your profile, for example) just for numbers' sake, and it's super obvious and super fucked up, so, stop. Just stop. This is just sad at this point.

What is my obvious motive? I have activity going back years and you can find posts in /r/conspiracy probably going back to 2012 or further if you're bored enough to look through my massive comment history.

you all came to call us idiots for seeing that this is a false flag with obvious motive

The false flag has the obvious motive. I assume I know yours, but it is not obvious.

I'm not calling you idiots for seeing a false flag, I'm calling specific people idiots for connecting dots that don't exist because they aren't using logic.

Ugh.. Why even.. Ok man. I went hard on those comics when I found them like 7ish years ago, and they're great, you should learn them well, but fuck me was I a shitty person to talk to before I learned that fallacies are really better applied to our own thinking, for lest you fall victim to Fallacy Man's weakness, Fallacyfallacytite.

Like, when I see someone make an argument ad hominem, for example, instead of being like "you sir are a fallacious and vexatious instigator and your baseless claims as to the nature of this man's character have no place in the confines of this debate!", I'll say something like "hey man, let's be fair: he wasn't talking about you as a person, he was talking about (whatever the idea was). What do you think about (the idea)?"

It's better, and comes way less pretentious.

Do you realize you just completely abandoned your original argument? Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing? Are you going to admit that your original point is wrong? Or is the cogitative dissonance so painful, your only way to deal with it is to just ignore it?

Yeah dude I gave this up as soon as I realized you were stuck in fallacy land. Nothing productive to be had with an idea predator. lol It's all good, you'll figure it out.

let the conspiracy sub do what it does

Which is what, exactly? Purposely obfuscate conspiracy theories that go against a particular narrative and then throw a fit when people question the ones that fit the preferred narrative?

This sub is fucked.

That is all very rational but why would you ever get a sunroof removed?

Better question. Who says he didn't put on a vinyl stripe kit since that pic was taken?

Better question. Why would he remove the tint strip on the front windshield.

http://i.imgur.com/dj6LPol.jpg

^ generic tint strip image

Is that for sure his car? Isn't that tint part of the glass?

Who's saying he did?

Well, the car that was involved in the incident had stripes. The one in the FB pic did not. So, something happened.

If someone close to the source were to come out & offer an explanation, I'll buy it. Until then, the questions will continue to be asked.

That is pretty much where I'm at. I don't really want to put a dog in this fight. It is too contentious. But, there are some things that don't add up.

He's owned the car for a couple years and he's only 20 aaannd he's obviously a motor head. I'm wondering if he had a prior car accident as this could explain the different windscreen, the new stripes on the hood and the different emblem on the front.

What I don't quite understand though is that given he's a motor head and his car looked as if it was the pride and joy of his life (notice how polished it was), why would he risk writing his car off by crashing it into a crowd of people and other cars?

He must've been seriously pissed about something to have deliberately crashed it.

A lot of people debating whether it was his car or not are leaving out the fog lights. His original pic shows a placeholder they put in if the vehicle doesn't have fog lights. The vehicle in the accident has fog lights with factory wiring. On top of that, something that isn't circled is the headlights. The car that rammed the crowd has a chrome backing in the headlight housing, while the car in his original pic has the body color backing. Different windshield. Also, the drive in the car isn't wearing glasses and appears to have a full head of hair vs shaved sides of the accused.

Good info on every count. This is a good summary of the various discrepancies.

A VIN can't possibly identify whether a car has a sunroof or not. That Ohio DMV photo has been proven to be a fake. Keep spinning out propaganda to take blame off the radical right wing nazi who killed an innocent protestor and injured 19 others

You put a lot of effort into posting debunked bullshit though

Only God knows tho... So like if he's wrong the blame's not on him ok? /s

Only god knows? I mean there's concrete evidence, it will go to trial, and it's not like this kid's going to claim it wasn't him. More than only god knows.

4chan is only good at playing the short con. They spread really easily disproven information-- that while it may travel far, it never lasts. Like claiming the t_d user who cnn reported on was 15, for example. That went on for like a night and then was almost immediately disproven, despite people still claiming it for the next few days.

Your smokescreen isn't working.

A VIN can't possibly identify whether a car has a sunroof or not.

Yes, it can. It can tell you the model of the car then you can see if that model has a sunroof. How did your lying bullshit get a single upvote?

and for the dodge challenger the sunroof is an extra feature which doesn't show up on a VIN. The make and model of the Dodge Challenger does not come with a sunroof so to claim the VIN proves the car should have a sunroof is bullshit. have a nice day

Grats on making up some bullshit.

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oh, that makes it obvious.

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He just shut down your argument so you gotta lean on the personal attacks. Nice.

He just made up some bulllshit with zero proof, same thing you do everyday here.

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lul, time for a new account.

I did a real quick google search so here you go.

Does the VIN number tell you which options are on a vehicle? The VIN does not tell what options are on a vehicle outside of the engine size and few other components. Items like leather, sunroofs, and stereos are not detailed by the VIN on about 99% of all vehicles.

http://www.nadaguides.com/FAQ/vin-numbers

I also tried to DuckDuckGo is because y'all don't trust Google, but man, it is a garbage search engine. Just found a bunch of car listings with sunroofs.

Used to sell cars. Nada is like a Bible in a hotel room. Every sales tower will have a Nada value book, it's the main source for trade in values with dealers.

LOL, you think that was proof? Just wow.

lol pretty easy to go to the dodge website and look at standard and extra options.

sunroof does not come standard on any mopar vehicle, every single one is an extra option.

and for the dodge challenger the sunroof is an extra feature which doesn't show up on a VIN

Why do you state things as fact when your spouting & shouting bullshit assumptions?

Your word lacks as proven in the post I made a few minutes ago that exposed how your full of shit that reeks as it leeks.

IMO JumboSaltedRoasted deserves an apology.

IMO JumboSaltedRoasted deserves an apology.

No, you both owe BernieBalloonHair an apology for lying and calling him a liar. See below.

I did not call BernieBalloonHair a liar I called his bullshit that is not true. VIN provides info of sunroof or no sunroof BernieBalloonHair claimed it does not.

See below? is lame communication. Provide a permalink to the comment you want me to see.

A VIN can't possibly identify whether a car has a sunroof or not.

Bullshit the vin # shows the car does not have a sunroof.

http://en.vindecoder.pl/2B3CJ4DV8AH111921

It would be listed the under "optional equipment"

Example of a car with a sunroof: http://en.vindecoder.pl/2B3CA7CW0AH199939 to show how the VIN provides such info & where it is located.

You act like a know it all calling the OP a propagandist, yet you are ignorantly lacking credibility in that your first sentence does not pan out as fact.

I doubt the OP is suggesting everything found in the pol post is fact no need to call him or her a propagandist.

Maybe I'm crazy, but there are no photos showing the car having a sun roof.

You are not crazy on this matter. The VIN tracking links I posted show out of the factory the car was sold without a sunroof & clearly no after market one had been installed.

The sunroof thing was a stretch in the wrong direction. Neither pictures show a sunroof, nor should they.

Example of a car with a sunroof: http://en.vindecoder.pl/2B3CA7CW0AH199939 to show how the VIN provides such info & where it is located.

Really so which is it? Does the car have a power sunroof or a manual one? Or does it even have a sunroof at all?

The VIN doesn't specify whether or not the car comes with that optional equipment so again for the third time to claim the VIN proves the car should have a sunroof is bullshit.

Really so which is it? Does the car have a power sunroof or a manual one?

I would guess it has both so if the motor dies it can still be closed. I do not know for sure & that sample was a random hit from a probing search I made. the VIN from pol shows no sunroof & is a less reliable secondary state registration form subject to more error than manufacturers VIN #s.

The VIN doesn't specify whether or not the car comes with that optional equipment or not.

I just showed examples of how the VIN shows sunroof or no sunroof.

For a long long time sunroofs are part of most if not all U.S. car makers VIN #s likely for many many reasons. Additionally shoddy aftermarket sunroof installations can cause confusion then leading to used car sales lawsuits where many if not most new car dealers also sell used cars.

Just wanted to say they are power only. You're shit outta luck if the motor dies unfortunately.

I do not know for sure

You provide no proof, but it makes sense. I did state "I would guess" & "I do not know for sure" so thanks for the reply.

I mean, I used to sell em. I can take a pic of my sales license from ohio when I sold cars. I just know the cars very well, not sure how else to prove it, mostly because the online info doesnt really go in to detail on it being non manual if it breaks.

Only way to really prove it is have you check one out in person. Theres no way to really grab it if the motor fails though, you could manually push it closed if needed but you might damage it even worse.

Makes sense & you word seems solid. I have not driven a car for many decades, but muscle cars were my toys with pontiacs my gals, always humbly knowing mopar hemi ruled the motorways. Ride on!

hell yeah, just happened to be the industry I first got in to in highschool through college. I miss my hemi charger a good bit, not the gas mileage, but that thing was so much fun.

Have a great night.

I just showed examples of how the VIN shows sunroof or no sunroof.

No. You showed how the VIN shows what optional equipment can come with a car. You haven't shown how a VIN will specify whether a car has said optional equipment on it or not because you can't. Showing all the optional equipment available for a VIN doesn't prove anything

I provided 2 VIN#. One the VIN from the 4 chan thread registration & another I found on the web. Both were placed into the VIN search tool @ http://en.vindecoder.pl. The 4 chan VIN comes back with no sunroof & the other does have a sunroof installed as an option. One is a challenger & one is a charger, but the fact is options are very often if not always known from VIN #. This is partially due to prevent used car sales confusion of after market installations being passed off as original equipment @ the time of the original dealer sales.

The options section is not listing all available options, it is showing installed options. Notice how on this page OEM rims include more than chrome listed as an option. The 4 chan VIN# returns "Chrome wheels" & the driver had blacked out non OEM wheels possibly the ones commonly sold as Remanufactured Replace® rims that are not OEM. This allows resellers & buyers of used cars to know the black rims are not original.

The VIN # search from 4 chan returns only chrome wheels even though many OEM options existed. It only lists the options that was on the car from the factory this is how VINs work.

As. An. Option. Jesus christ

Here's how to read a vin

Why don't you point out to me which part of the VIN indicates a sunroof or no sunroof

Thanks, have a nice day

The manufacture records options off the assembly line, as seen on the paper in the window of a car when an individual buys it & when the vin is run a data base check lists installed options seen on the window sticker. The VIN is not a literal code for the options, but it is a link to the window sticker info.

Huh? I just showed you what the VIN is for and it's got nothing to do with what options come with the car. Thanks for trying though, you fail

Huh?

What kind of logical reply is that?

Your attempt to label "fail" upon my detailed explanation of how the VIN is connected to window sticker info kept in a database for used car buyers & sellers is lame & lacking substance.

saying that a VIN is connected to a window sticker is just beyond laughable and was already proven wrong before you even made the claim.

The VIN is connected to the window sticker info by way of manufacturer database connection.

The VIN also provides much more info dealer info such as service record by way of the dealers info into a database as well.

Example: partial dealer info from the 4 chan car VIN:

https://uk.vin-info.com/order-reports/2B3CJ4DV8AH111921

Some of the info requires a dealer code or payment, but fact is VIN leads to databases such as manufacturer dealer DMV etc.

I am not laughing @ your low cerebral output replies nor do I laugh @ you attempting to "dodge" reality wasting both our time. I actually find it sad.

The VIN doesn't provide shit about a car's service record. Dealer's have service records databases that can be searched using a VIN. Now you're moving the goal posts to claim something that wasn't originally claimed. You said a VIN decoder would show if the car had the optional equipment of a sunroof or not. That's been fucking proven false.

Now you claim that by searching dealer database records with a VIN you can find dealer records that will show whether or not the car had the sunroof. So you've given up the argument that the VIN identifies it because it fucking doesn't, now it's the records can be found by a VIN. The VIN alone cannot tell you whether or not the car has a sunroof. Of course dealer records can tell you whether or not the car has a sunroof. So far I've seen no evidence of dealer records being posted showing the car came with a sunroof.

keep spreading your bullshit propaganda but try harder because you're doing a terrible job it right now

You said a VIN decoder would show if the car had the optional equipment of a sunroof or not. It takes a VIN to get the data. I did not imply decoding each numeral & letter provides the options.

A vin decoder such as the one I originally linked to from the beginning uses a VIN to check a database. It tells much more than the image you posted.

Here is a page showing your image with a claimed expert stating:

You can find all the vehicle information such as; make and model, body type, interior options, engine type, electronic features and a whole lot more.

The VIN alone cannot tell you whether or not the car has a sunroof.

I provide from the start a place that uses VIN to database info. Your attempt to dodge me calling your bullshit out is lame.

I did not move the goal post & am not playing games as you are.

Calling my information propaganda exposes how low brow your hard headed bullshitery attempts to hide your reek are. Additionally I am not doing a "terrible" job & do not find or consider my posts to be a job.

Additionally from my last reply

this link: https://uk.vin-info.com/order-reports/2B3CJ4DV8AH111921

also states: Body:PILLARED HARDTOP

The site listed optional equipment that can come with the car, not equipment that does come with the car. A car having both a manual and power sunroof should have made you think but I guess you lack common sense among other things

lol I thought I got a "Bye, Felicia". You are a sad lame troll.

A car having both a manual and power sunroof should have made you think but I guess you lack common sense among other things

I can eaily & logically guess both are listed to show a sunroof of either type is installed. This helps a used car dealer or buyer know if an aftermarket hole was cut into the car by non manufacturers that often results in more leaks. This is information lemon laws possibly require by law.

The site listed optional equipment that can come with the car, not equipment that does come with the car.

I already explained how many options exist for wheels/rims. They are they not all listed because nothing in the options box shows standard non option wheels/rims were original equipment. The other VIN search shows only "chrome wheels", but not all the other many optional choices to choose from.

I was hoping to send you on a goose chase with my "PILLARED HARDTOP" waste of time blocked off section to troll you as you are me with lame non relevant to anything discussed bullshit just to irritate you. lol our weak shit is growing old, but still smells like it stems from a child that ate more than it can chew.

lol I thought I got a "Bye, Felicia". You are a sad lame troll.

You did get that. You still haven't left yet though

I can eaily & logically guess both are listed to show a sunroof of either type is installed.

LOL so they list both. How does that make sense?

Your insults are pathetic and quite frankly you should be ashamed of them.

You expose your ill power trip mindset thinking you have the power to make me leave with lame powerless "Bye, Felicia" BS.

How does that make sense?

from my last reply:

This helps a used car dealer or buyer know if an aftermarket hole was cut into the car by non manufacturers that often results in more leaks. This is information lemon laws possibly require by law.

sunroof or no sunroof is likely all lemon laws or internal company needs require. Specifics do not matter much in this situation of whether a hole was cut or not in the roof.

Your insults are pathetic and quite frankly you should be ashamed of them.

My words are more athletic than your frail attempt to paint them pathetic. Ashamed. lol, I have no need to blush as I crush your attempts to bullshit about things you are not very wise to.

the driver had blacked out non OEM wheels possibly the ones commonly sold as Remanufactured Replace® rims that are not OEM.

I am ignorant to assume they were not OEM. It is possible the charger had black wheels that may have been stock, but not an option as options are listed generally on VINS

After the Seth Rich "investigation", I have a hard time thinking 4chan will solve anything.

The sunroof is also missing in the pic of him standing next to his car, so there never was a sunroof.

They are great at finding Shia LaBeouf.

You say that jokingly, but I'm still impressed by how they kept finding the stream lmao.

Honestly it was pretty impressive.

It wasn't actually though. The different rabbit holes they went down were impressive, but each time the location was actually found through some really obvious and mundane reason-- like Shia posing for a photograph and it being tweeted out with the location. I'm not so sure he really cared too much about it being found.

You obviously haven't been following Shia. He very much cared

It was, when all you have to work with is a webcam pointing to the sky.

https://youtu.be/n-ABXvbMSc4 start at about 2 min.

And this tweet.

"H-h-have to d-downvote him right away..!! N-now I have 1 point over him, w-which means l'm right!"

That picture was taken in North Carolina, a different hwndu spot.

The flag was hung in Liverpool, this happened March 8th. The tweet you sent is from March 5th.

The Liverpool flag was announced beforehand, unless you're talking about a different Liverpool location.

I am speaking specifically of the Ohio location, since at the time (and still today) there was talk of flight path analyses, bird spotting, figuring out the location based off the sun and stars. None of that came into play-- that tweet "cracked the case."

Maybe some aspects of the whole ordeal were impressive, but not at impressive as it's hyped up to be.

And if you're implying that I downvoted you, I didn't. I don't care about karma enough to be that petty, and you shouldn't either, haha. But I hadn't upvoted you and I just did, so there.

My bad, the flag (with the stream pointing at the sky) was found in Moon Creek Road in Greenville, Tennessee, March 9th. Not Liverpool.

That tweet still has nothing to do with the capture of that flag.

"The obsessed basement dwellers turned to studying the star patterns and their movements and with that, plus a tweet that Labeouf sent out in a Tennessee diner,"

[Source]

"The search began on March 8 and was immediately narrowed when Labeouf was spotted on social media at a diner in Greenville, Tennessee,"

"One of the trolls quickly found a clue: a photo of LaBeouf, taken days earlier, at a diner in Greeneville, Tennessee."

[Source

I mean, nearly every video and article about it mentions the tweet as being the single discovery the lead to finding the flag. The video you linked to doesn't go into detail, it just mentions all the things 4chan attempted before discovering the tweet.

This Internet Historian video is much more detailed (and it has 1.7m views). 1:55 for the mention of the tweet.

I think you might be mistaken.

So you were mistaken or what?

When they're "researching" in good faith they're great, when they start with a faulty conclusion and work from there is when they look ridiculous.

I agree, kinda like how the mass media ended up looking fucking ridiculous with all the Russia crap.

This is an easy way to explain it to everyone, I can't believe a mass media news outlet pulled a 4chan man lmao.

You get enough people, someone will recognize a view of something.

And ISIS training camps.

I mean the picture where the driver in enhanced looks just like him. All other evidence went out the window after that

actually, the picture of the driver in the car doesn't look like anyone. its unclear and no good conclusion can be drawn from it.

Doesn't look like the guy in the car is wearing glasses. Can't say for sure.

that i will agree with

It's 5 seconds after a frontal accident, they're on the floor

because the airbags knocked them o- wait

Was not going fast enough to deploy any airbags

Came here to say this. No airbag deployed, far less likely glasses would be knocked off.

Can we not just call a spade a spade. They are getting paid over-time to smokescreen and astroturf /r/conspiracy over the last couple days and it's blatant desperation. I don't give a fuck anymore. These people bend over backwards to defend people chanting faggot and waving nazi flags. Fuck them and fuck the complicit that march side by side.

So the Boston Bomber investigation wasn't enough for you?

4chan

Where else are these T_D clowns going to get their narrative?

Most people Ive seen there are just as pissed at the guy as anyone else.

What did 4chan do for the Seth Rich investigation?

4chan's investigation into

Well there's your problem right there.

So you won't look at any of the evidence then, what are you doing here? This is a conspiracy sub, the pictures he is referencing are available from multiple outlets and dont magically transform when they are linked from 4chan. You have no comment on the obviously different driver and vehicle that was used that day?

I have no faith in 4chan's investigative ability, or 4chan's integrity. I have no reason to believe any of these photos have any merit or meaning.

We're talking about 4chan here.

really? even after they found a flag pool in the middle of a field in the middle of no where, with nothing to go on for evidence but clouds, weather and plane patterns? thats some government level shit.

Are you sure that wasn't a marketing campaign by Shia lmao

are you sure it wasnt? more evidence point to not but it is inconclusive. just saying they have a reputation for good investigative work just shit morals and execution.

/pol/ also located ISIS training camps. Pretty sure that wasn't a marketing campaign...

Wooaahhh, don't forget your tinfoil hat bud!

They doxxed the wrong guy and people started blasting that guy's name here. Also pretty much every 4chan post here turns out wrong. Their track record is terrible, I can't fathom how people believe an anonymous person on 4chan.

People want to believe nonsense conspiracies.

Also people want reality to fit their narratives.

They know what they're doing. It's just that they're not investigating anything.

This isn't evidence of anything. The dude in those pictures looks exactly like The guy who was arrested.

This isn't evidence of anything.

Not all anything even remotely resembling each other.

This is the same 4chan that bullied some unrelated teenager from MICHIGAN, and then convinced thousands of people that said teenager was the real culprit through a disinfo campaign. This is the same subreddit that obsessed for half a year over a daycare center and harassed the owners and operators over fucking bullshit like "the carton weights a certain amount, and so does an arbitrary assortment of weapons". This is the same Reddit that stirred up so much shit over an unrelated college student in their Boston marathon bombing "investigation" that the dude they thought did it was a) cleared of all wrong doing by the people who are actually trained to be investigators and b) was driven to the point of suicide. Sorry if I don't trust basically anonymous people jerking themselves fucking raw over the same set of blurry, shitty images that prove nothing unless you've already made up your mind that he's not the one who did it.

I mean really. Which is more likely. The mysterious shadow government is so powerful that they can pull the wool over everyone's eyes on this, but somehow manage to fuck things up like not getting the right model of car, or doing something as stupid as fucking up the registration? Or that some wankers on the internet that had their minds made up before they even started "investigating".

So you don't want to talk about the pictures, and just come to this sub to shit all over it. Cool.

We all know top minds have better tools than the FBI, CIA and investigators who spend their life investigating and someone paying them to do it.

Surely the FBI, CIA and investigators would ever lie to us!

First time on this subreddit?

This is a great summary of the inconsistent details regarding the suspect, his car, and the man pictured driving the car that day. It was a different person driving, and a different car most likely. This was a false flag and you will see people coming out of the woodwork to discredit anything that points to a false flag here on this subreddit.

"People will say I'm wrong and those people are wrong."

i hope you can find help for your problems

Remember when 4chan was wrong and doxxed the wrong person right after the incident? These kids are dumb asses. They have a clear agenda and once again, they haven't found shit.

https://i.redd.it/7qckavv4zffz.jpg

This other James Fields looks a lot more like the driver. I smell something fishy.

Please don't doxx and please don't ban me u/creq

His nose is too big.

I'm sure they went out of their way to find a driver with the same name as the fall guy.

^/s

The red stripe on the car looks to me like it's a reflection of his shirt

Damn they must of spent big bucks this go around shills out here hard today. Upvoted doubt it will matter though this sub really has went to shit

The great thing is that your post works for each side. One will read it as /r/t_d shills and the other will read it as Soros shills.

I honestly couldn't tell.

Maybe people just don't like this post? "False flags" are getting old.

It's easy to spot them because they spew hate and mistrust. Our sub used to be civil discourse with logic on both sides. If they automatically hate on OP, show no evidence for the counter, or have insane upvotes in short time, you'll know.

People keep linking only one video of the crash. There are quite a few out there that people seem to blatantly be ignoring...

Examples? I came into this story late, I haven't really done a deep dive on it yet. I would like more video before I start reading more commentary and influencing my opinion.

Apologies for the website (I know, hard hitting) but it has a few videos within the page of it and there's more on YouTube of it with a search.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/videos/a56975/charlottesville-car-video/

People keep linking only one video of the crash. >There are quite a few out there that people seem to blatantly be ignoring...

I've looked at pretty much most of them and I don't get what you are trying to say with this. Most video's are somewhat the same and barely any of the videos provide extra insight.

What, according to you, is the importance of not "blatantly ignoring" the other video's? What kind of extra insight would they give? Could you care to elaborate?

You made a very empty statement.

My empty one? Alright, the folks over at T_D constantly claim the car was being attacked before he ran anyone over. That's incredibly untrue as there are multiple videos of the car speeding off unprovoked, crashing through people and slamming into the car in front of it, AND then being attacked before backing over those people.

That's incredibly untrue

Are you absolutely sure of that?

I haven't seen actual proof provided by a single source yet otherwise. If you have actual video evidence and not some /pol/ LARP saying so I'd love to see it

https://streamable.com/21gc9

Wow, way to cut off the first part of the video that shows the car accelerating toward the crowd from over 100 feet away:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVkD7c2D6H0

You do see people throwing shit at his car while he is driving down the road. Although this may be due to his speed. I would like to see another video from farther up. I dont think it was in self defense. I am pretty sure that it is the nasty result of a piss poor situation mixed up with a lot of anger and hate. Still I would like to be as sure as possible.

I see someone hit the back of the car with something as he's just about to hit the crowd, well-after the screaming started and people started jumping out of the way.

What the ?

What you want to know about me?

https://snoopsnoo.com//u/Lo0seR

Yep, looks good! Normal timeline, check. Normal word association, check. Doesn't appear to be bottish to me, thanks for affirming that, haven't looked in a while.

Why do care what your own snoo snoo looks like?

You would know if you're a bot or not.

Wow a video that cuts off the actual portion of him accelerating, certainly can't be biased at all in any way.

Click the op link named "comparison photo of windshield..."

Oh shit, I thought I had looked at all of them. Thanks for pointing that out.

Is there a video of this car before or after the incident? I've seen a few videos of the crash, but not of anyone chasing the car or watching the car beforehand. Seems like there should be some video given all the people with cameras and GoPros.

Willing to bet a lot of it was confiscated as evidence.

There is enough for me to strongly suspect that the whole thing was planned and orchestrated so the only video that exists at all is likely to be only what they want you to see (and even that is so full of holes it's 911 omission report levels insult to intelligence).

There would have been if the chopper covering the event didn't crash and blow up right before this happened.

watching the car beforehand

Why would anyone be watching it?

Why would anyone be watching it?

Because they are not rooting for a communist dictatorship.

The most autistic thing I find about these photos is that when Fields is seen in the car, he isn't wearing glasses. He just crashed into the back of another car. You think his glasses aren't going to fall off?

Hm good point

i believe that they believe that it is photoshop, but i can't say to what i was looking for...

Why isn't he wearing his glasses while driving?

Considering that 4chan was involved with the incident, its fair to say they would be a little biased to say the least.

The notorious investigator 4chan strikes again! They havent been wrong before!

Wait a day, and then after this has been debunked there will be a new /r/conspiracy post about how this thread was created by a shill who was aiming to discredit conspiracy theorists and the alt-right.

Gee what a fucking shock. Mods aren't deleting this baseless drivel being pushed by Nazi brigadiers.

Literally none of that is proof. It's all bullshit invented by alt right idiots or taken out of context.

Discrediting the post. - Check Posting absolutely nothing to back up his claims. - Check Literally says 'its nothing' - Check Calling the userbase Nazi's (MUH FASCIST) - Check Implying we are politically motivated - Check Strange amount of upvotes - Check Comment history is him calling people Nazis - Check

You're work for the day is done!

Please report to management for your pay packet.

Agent Provocateur perhaps?

Strange amount of upvotes (with one comment under him - me ) - Check

his fake comments bots is not activated lol, or he doesn't have such a bot...

but seriously, the amount of shills recently is mind boggling, people not just making narrative in mainstream media but also mainstream subreddit, fuck this world, nowadays I need to not baited to comment a post, posting by bots or shills, coz it's useless as shit

Removed. Rule 10. First warning.

Is this the same 4chan that blamed, doxxed, and harassed some innocent kid because they prowled FB for a liberal leaning dodge owner?

This sub makes my head spin sometimes.

Way to generalise and tar everyone on 4chan with the same brush.

4chan is an anonymous imageboard. There are dozen of different boards with different type people on them.

The actions of a few anons are no justification to blame every anonymous person on there for doing stuff like this.

Lol I think it's fair to paint /pol/ with one stroke right now

4chan isn't only /pol/ which I just explained, therefore it's wrong to take the whole website 4chan in account.

Work on your reading comprehension.

4chaner for years (until recently, I had enough)... /pol is a gigantic cesspit of racism, neonazis, and overall assholes.

No idea wtf you are talking about.

4chaner for years (until recently, I had enough)

4chaner

for years

Sure bud.

And what did u call urself? A btard? Anon?

Because saying "I've been anon for years" is fucking retarded. The reason I prefer the term 4chaner .. because I no longer really am. There is nothing proud about talking with people who are half suicidal, half leppers, half autistic.

Soooo he just randomly decided to take his glasses of to drive, then?

Right. Makes total sense.

Maybe they fell off when he rammed into the car after driving into the crowd?

Are you fucking serious? Have you worn glasses? Do you really think they just fucking fall off because a 4,000 lb car ran over some humans?

Goddamn, the density and ignorance in this thread is fucking cancer. None of you even want to look at the evidence.

Nazis are terrible. White Supremacists are terrible. So is Facism. AND SO ARE FALSE FLAGS MEANT TO CAUSE DIVISION.

Wake up.

I've worn glasses nearly my whole life. But I've never driven a car that's hit another car, one that was stationary no less. Are you unaware he hit a car as well as people? It's not hard to imagine glasses would fall off in a car accident. My glasses have fallen off from simply whipping my head too quickly.

That being said, I'm sjust offering a possible explanation as a counterpoint to sloppy 4chan "evidence."

I think the angle is the left infiltrating these groups, or group, especially Kessler's. That tiki torch march just seemed so staged and canned. Something stinks with this whole thing.

Wait, you think the tiki torch march was awkward because of leftist influence?

I think it was awkward because it looked like a group of MRA idiot who organized their march of fear at Walmart.

57% upvoted

Scored at 115. So, if just the upvotes counted, this would be on the front page right now at something like ~1500 votes, but no, shills just have to have their "ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE NAZIS" day. Disgraceful. Truly, I can't understand how I share a species with you shills.

Who said "all white people are nazis"?

Jews are trying to right now, as they own the media. It's super ironic and fucked up on so many levels.

your math is of a genius

Why didn't 4chan investigate the false flag merits of the horrible congressional baseball shooting?

Because everyone knows that political conspiracies can only be used to attack democrats.

The sad truth.

Or you just didnt follow them because they existed.

They did, there were dozens of threads. But without eyewitness pics and video, and the shooters background being consistent and fitting the narrative, not much to go on.

They did.

4chan is such a reliable source, and does such good investigative work. /s

Is this a joke?

Yes

Phew, I thought so but sometimes can't tell on here anymore. I feel like many posts are being made purely to make us look like lunatics on here.

One of my concerns as well. /Conspiracy and reddit as a whole is under pretty constant far right idiology brigade recently imo. They have used these type "conspiracy" events to further thier cause and push a narrative in the past, I believe that's what's happening again here.

I think that's the most concerning issue facing this community and has been for some time now IMHO.

Is this a joke?

I'm just not convinced the guy in the car is him. The reason being is when you look at someone, you subconsciously rate them. The guy in the car looks like he has good facial features/structure, so I would rate him ~7. When I look at a photo of James Fields, he looks like your stereotypical redditor at about ~5. Plus the guy in the car looks to be a little older.

This is convincing me that it's not a false flag. The man in the car has big eyebrows, just like he's supposed to.

The emblem on the front matches in the two pictures, it's just brighter and reflecting differently in one of the photos.

This is absolutely stupid and anyone who believes this is making excuses for a Nazi who drove his car into a crowd of people. That makes you a Nazi sympathizer.

Remember how there weren't hundreds of threads about the baseball shooter?

HHHHMMMMMM....

Perhaps it's because you are all right wing trolls?

Now I can actually believe that a lot of you are legitimately Nazi sympathizers.

Worst of all, this 4chan thread taught me that not only is this guy a Nazi, but his undershirt was larger than his polo shirt, which makes him moderately retarded as well.

Oh, thank you. I have been looking for videos to see the condition of,the other vehicles. That van is beat to shit. Strange.

I'm all for theories and connecting dots but really? You think this huge conspiracy is more plausible than the guy making changes to his car.

I saw a burgundy (you say purple) mini van on an aerial video too. Didn't understand why.

Newfag, don't link directly to 4chan!

I did the same thing years ago. :)

Well it's clearly not the same car. The whole thing just isn't passing the smell test that's for sure.

Simply cannot any longer believe anything.

Take care of your family. Keep your head down.

Sadly, we are fighting the greater internet entities, two entrenched political parties and MSM.

Thanks

Yes, "one party" is correct.

Thanks.

Why does the guy on the left have crossed rolling pins on his shield?

http://heavy.com/news/2017/08/photos-of-car-that-rammed-charlottesville-protesters-arrest-pictures/

pic.twitter.com/5Al21XsdXi

Where is this photo now?

What happened? It got taken down.

Any ideas guys?

The car attack is a false flag made to vilify the opposition against the government.

The whole protest itself is designed perfectly to vilify opposition and cause the seeds of martial law/civil war.

Sure people actually die but they sacrifice protesters in order to achieve their goals. If you join this protest you are very silly. Don't fall for it.

4chan's investigation

Why don't you just say "kindergarten investigation" about the same credibility.

You said you didn't know where they got the license plate "be wary"... then provide this pic?

https://i.imgur.com/55hfdP8_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=high

Some guy just created ALL OF THIS in photoshop... be wary of it all! Stop spreading this bullshit!

They investigated their nasal passages and came up with O-Post.

Why is everyone in this thread talking about how bad 4chan is, instead of talking about the pictures and the point?

Not arguing against your message at all, but I do have one thing to point out:

https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1502733595473.jpg?__cf_waf_tk__=057328002MOCImRBOFlbhMFTvB5v3fRdLdv0

This picture says no leak in radiator and implies a reinforced vehicle, but on newer Dodge vehicles like the challenger, the radiator is further back behind the bumper. There is a large empty space in the front fascia before the bumper just for looks, and the condenser for the AC would likely act as a buffer before the radiator took any damage.

Maybe the pics from FB are from a different car he owned. Some people get cars with minor options and realize they want a similar one with better options afterwards. So they trade it in or sell it and pay a difference.

A friend of mine has a popular model of a car and it's only two years old. However the dealer she financed from is always trying to get her to trade it in and get a newer version of the car. It's the same body type and everything. For some reason the model car she has is popular with Uber/Lyft drivers.

I'm saying it's possible he might have wanted better options for the same car and dealers genuinely are always looking for ways to make money off of people. Even if it means convincing you to upgrade the same model you have already of the same car.

The car that ran into the crowd has blacked out rims. The comparison car has chrome rims.

The vehicle was assigned Salvage Title in July of 2015 in KY, suspects home state.

It is entirely possible that when repairs were made, upgrades were made as well. Also, I cannot find any other documentation regarding the equipment of a sun roof. Even checked the manufacturers Equipment Listing database.

Fanatics G7 http://www.news1130.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/sites/9/2017/08/11/VACHA103-812_2017_174128_hd.jpg

Notice the man in blue in the above pic... Now, go look at the pic of the driver before/during the rally (4chan) There are two men in glasses standing back to back directly behind the accused. The man in blue is the taller man behind his right shoulder.

https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1502734220724.jpg?__cf_waf_tk__=0305750026hP3FE1KosNTWXn85LnZM02FaPA

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He just shut down your argument so you gotta lean on the personal attacks. Nice.

I did a real quick google search so here you go.

Does the VIN number tell you which options are on a vehicle? The VIN does not tell what options are on a vehicle outside of the engine size and few other components. Items like leather, sunroofs, and stereos are not detailed by the VIN on about 99% of all vehicles.

http://www.nadaguides.com/FAQ/vin-numbers

I also tried to DuckDuckGo is because y'all don't trust Google, but man, it is a garbage search engine. Just found a bunch of car listings with sunroofs.

If someone close to the source were to come out & offer an explanation, I'll buy it. Until then, the questions will continue to be asked.

The 4chan 'investigation' has some pretty ridiculous reaches on its own.

It's not a big reach to say someone may have had a couple changes done to their car since originally buying it.

What the fuck are you talking about? 99% of people reject most conspiracies. That might as well be a fucking fact. What am I supposed to give them credit for? We all know people dont believe these things when we tell them. Go around telling people about pizzagate in real life and they will all call you crazy for the most part. There's nothing to give them credit for, they've already proven they don't want to or can't believe most of these things are true. I'd go as far as to say they are at least in part conditioned to believe these things are impossible.

Did you seriously not know.most people outright reject most conspiracies from the get go? You give people too much credit or have spent to much time in the conspiracy bubble and think most people are like conspiracy theorist. They aren't.

I think that's the most concerning issue facing this community and has been for some time now IMHO.

Uh, yeah actually

Wtf do you think the marchers were trying to invoke? Carrying flames torches in the night, doing the "sieg heil", screaming "white lives matter", carrying nazi flags? Like honestly, what kind of mental gymnastics are you playing in your mind right now to be confused on if it was actually a neo-nazi march?

He's owned the car for a couple years and he's only 20 aaannd he's obviously a motor head. I'm wondering if he had a prior car accident as this could explain the different windscreen, the new stripes on the hood and the different emblem on the front.

What I don't quite understand though is that given he's a motor head and his car looked as if it was the pride and joy of his life (notice how polished it was), why would he risk writing his car off by crashing it into a crowd of people and other cars?

He must've been seriously pissed about something to have deliberately crashed it.

lol pretty easy to go to the dodge website and look at standard and extra options.

sunroof does not come standard on any mopar vehicle, every single one is an extra option.

I did the same thing years ago. :)