Haha yo. If obama did this, people would be shitting all over themselves. What a crock. Fuck this puppet. Anti-establishment my ass.

He did do this, with more dangerous criminals.

Zzz

I know that the truth is exhausting.

Send me the links of these horrid criminals he's pardoned. I'll send you a link of the racist dirtbag trump just pardoned.

What if I told you Obama was just as bad as trump.....

What if I told you I never said he wasn't? All I said was if obama did this, right wing news outlets would be creating hysteria, which ultimately led to Trump.

My statement says nothing about Barry Bombs being better or worse than Trump. Though now that you bring it up, Trump's racist ass is about 1 zillion times worse.

Trump isn't rascist lol. Trump and Obama both dont give a fuck about race. They are used to make it a race issue, not a class issue.

:I

Says someone who thinks medicaid for all is a good idea. That system is so inefficient it's in shade.

For someone on a conspiracy sub, you sure like spoonfed bullshit

No, we can have national Healthcare without Medicare. Medicare is ran so stupidly it's insane. I'm sure you actually haven't studied the issue.

Oh, I know Medicaid well. It certainly has its faults, but it's better than going bankrupt.

Dude said there were some fine people protesting with white supremacists. I'm pretty sure he's a least a little racist.

Huh? You realize there were some black people and Asians and Latinos protesting the removal too. Small in number, but the whole rally wasn't white supremacist, only a portion of it.

I mean, there was that time he tweeted some fake news that exaggerated black murder rates of whites by...

... huh. Over 500%. Wow.

In his defense, I'm quite sure he didn't know that the fake infographic he retweeted was made by an actual neo-Nazi with a swastika for a profile pic and everything. So he's just a racist, not a full-on Nazi like some people claim.

No he didn't. He stated the murder rate per capita was higher. It is. Sorry, but statistics are rascist. It's like people calling sheriff Apiro a rascist for enforcing immigration law

... yes, he absolutely did. The infographic he retweeted claimed that blacks were responsible for 8 out of 10 white murders, which, again, is a figure that exaggerated the true number by 500%. The bureau said infographic "cited" is non-existent.

Here's a picture of it. Now are you going to claim the stats are accurate, so I have to link to the actual records from the FBI?

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2443283.1448229931!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/trumptweet23n-1-web.jpg

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/obama-pardons

Lest we forget about Bradley Manning, a traitor to the United States.

You're in a conspiracy sub attacking someone who spoke out against the awful shit the gov was doing?

He leaked 750,000 sensitive documents. Not all of those were 'awful shit'. That's treason.

The Manhattan Project was awful shit too. Should all the secrets of our government be leaked to our enemies?

You're defending the US govt and the shitty secrets it keeps?

Well yeah, we love the US government now. Look at who's president, government is the greatest!

Absolutely. One of the surest ways to prevent nuclear war is when everyone knows and has the capability to prevent nukes.

That's a strawman anyway though. Bradley Manning was a hero. All of our revolutionary forefathers were treasonous. Treason can be about doing what's right, above any nationalism.

That's not a strawman. Nations should have secrets, especially when they are spending untold billions on unique technology. It gives us a edge.

If Manning is a hero, so are the hackers who leaked the DNC emails. Nothing of importance was learned from the Manning leaks in regards to heroism or helping the situation. Arguably it made things worse. Trade knowledge about abuses in Iraq for the Arab Spring and years of more terror worse than anything we did.

Obama really loved his drug dealers.

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/obama-commutations

Trump really loves his racists

Is racism worse than hundreds of drug dealers who actually profit from death and addiction?

Apparently not to Fox News.

Is the last president any reason to not scrutinize the current one?

No. It's deflection. Both can be shitbag cunts.

So do you think Obama is a terrible President then?

I think that you have no defense to whatever he says so you fall back to BUT OBAMA. It's pathetic.

Why is it pathetic? Obama got zero negative press in 8 years. Trump has received more constant unrelenting negativity than even W Bush, who they hated.

You don't find something about that is unusual or concerning?

I guess you must have missed Fox News shitting on him every day then. Stop making shit up man.

Fox News is one network. Every single other network, newspaper, movie studio, tv station, sports league, pop singer, etc. sucked his dick 24/7 for 8 years straight.

Those same networks and now Fox are biting down on Trump's dick for 24/7.

Yeah pretty much.

http://www.npr.org/2017/01/18/510472500/obama-grants-clemency-to-puerto-rican-fighter-oscar-lopez-rivera

Link me to obama pardoning a racist after a butler youth tried to kill protestors.

But you asked for a horrid criminal! Deals a deal.

Then split hairs. Cheers.

Nay.

Ok then. Carry on.

Uphold your end of the bargain.

What was I supposed to do. Ate a weed cookie. I'm watching Superbad

Good for you! I'm being honest here. Good for you.

Yeah man. Had some fucked up shit happen to my house. Had to sell it to a cash buyer because we are underwater now. Fucking crazy. Just maxing now though. For real, cheers, fam.

My house burned down not so long ago, it was not a fun experience. Had to rescue my sister too!

Damn man. Sorry to hear but glad you got your rescue on.

Thank you. Gotta do what you gotta do.

Sentenced to 55 years, and released at age 74. Convicted of conspiracy but no actual proof of involvement. I know he was involved with a terrorist group but those provable charges don't seem to be enough to hold somebody that long. Dunno.

It's something like pardoning Nazis. Does their old age relief them of responsibility for their past crimes?

No he didnt.

He pardoned the people in Guatamo Bay, some of which can now be seen in ISIS ranks

First of all, show me a single person in Guantanamo that Obama pardoned. Second of all, you do realize that the vast majority of the people kept there were simply rounded up by being the in the wrong place at the wrong time, right? How would you feel towards a nation that came into the US, arrested you because you were near a crime scene, and held you without trial for ten years?

Innocent people have spent 20 years for crimes like rape and murder that they didn't commit. I imagine it was much worse before dna evidemce, because all it took was an accusation. They didn't start killing people when they got out

Innocent individuals that were falsely imprisoned for rape or murder don't have similar support systems to those coming out of Guantanamo. If you don't know, ISIS invests a lot of resources into recruiting. ISIS was there to support, comfort, and brainwash these individuals coming out of Guantanamo. ISIS gives these individuals a direction to focus their anger along with the promise of revenge.

Like an everday american citizen.

No he didnt. WTF are you talking about?

How can you pardon someone who was not even accused of a crime?

Your not aloud to criticize Obama because he is black remmeber? Also he is married to a man.

He did this with drug offenders who were imprisoned for being addicts and place with dangerous criminals who have killed or raped before. The is a more common sense move than a cop who was caught letting sex offender go because they were friends of his or arresting civilians for 48hours without charge

Oh snap, Trump pardoned a guy who was attacked by the deep state/George soros and corporate media

You are delusional.

How about you try asking questions to see why someone thinks differently than you, rather than just immediately resort to name calling?

Why would I ask questions about a man that has terrorized latinos for decades? This bloke tried to pawn it off on Soros and the msm. Just another bot from the dunce.

How do you know he was "terrorizing Latinos" and not "arresting illegal immigrants"

Because he was found guilty in court of racial profiling?

What do you think he needs to be pardoned for?

Being strong armed by the groups who are in favor of illegal immigrants swarming the country and somehow getting him charged for doing his job.

See that's wrong

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Conviction_for_contempt_of_court

he violated American Citizens' 4th amendment

It'd be like pardoning a what? From what I just read from Wikipedia, which btw excellent source to use to try to persuade me, was very vague and basically said he disobeyed court orders. Which as I said he was strong armed.

It'd be like pardoning a what?

sorry part of the comment i forgot to delete

said he disobeyed court orders

yes, court orders to stop infringing on people's 4th amendment rights.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2016/05/13/arpaio-contempt-federal-court-ruling/77833232/

Which as I said he was strong armed.

I mean, if a judge telling you to not infringe on other people's rights is strong arming I guess you're right?

He violated the constitutional rights of a shit ton of people, enforced prison practices that left inmates out in 120+ degree weather which resulted in people dying. Lmao if you think that's what a sheriff is supposed to do then you're fucked up.

He's very much not a bot, he's a regular user here.

And what's a "bloke" like you know about Sheriff Joe? You from Arizona?

He's a Donald bot. They are real people who all say the same regurgitated bullshit.

longer than you've had air in your lungs, most likely.

Speaking of regurgitated bullshit, your now the third person in the last 24 hours to use this line on me. Which I find equally as amusing as the first two people that said this to me, considering not one of you has any clue how old I am.

How interesting.

Speaking of regurgitated bullshit, your now the third person in the last 24 hours to use this line on me.

Can you Post the other 2 please?

Just realized that it's all the same user when I looked back. If it was different people that'd be interesting, but now it just seems like it's this guys goto retort to try and sound wiser than everyone else. Not nearly as interesting.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6w3149/comment/dm52ahy?st=J6TAH5IH&sh=7dc399c9

Votes say you lost this conversation, but you won it.

Thanks, I really appreciate it. It's nice to know that real users here can see through the vote counts, it's the only reason why I still do it.

Good point, it was all because of the Obama birth certificate stuff he brought up recently after it hadn't been talked about for a while.

You don't live here. You have no idea.

This was already posted 35 minutes before you

It will be interesting to see users here try and defend this. I don't think there is much to defend with Arpaio.

It's Trump literally just freeing a crony for his 4th amendment violations.

This thread is chilly as fuck.

You're not the only one getting goosebumps!

It takes a cold heart.

Love how twitter only shows 100% of the negative responses...

I think the responses were just overwhelmingly negative to begin with

Well considering that's exactly the impression that they want people to have, mission accomplished for twitter I suppose.

Do you honestly think the fact that only negative response are shown at the top of his tweets is organic?

How popular do you think Joe Arpaio is?

A lot of people liked him in Arizona. I wasn't a fan of all his policies but he did have some I liked. Then he started bringing up new evidence of Obama's birth certificate being fake and they took him down through the legal system, not with a vote.

If you noticed, the MSM never really goes after Trump for being a "birthed" that much anymore. Maybe a reminder here and there while they tell you how crazy that conspiracy theory is, it's rarely brought up.

But I could easily see it being true. He was a military child, essentially American but may have been born off base somewhere, who knows.

All I was originally saying was that there is never a unified consensus on any topic over social media.

After years of this, there is still absolutely zero evidence to support this theory. I would wonder why there's still people who believe it, but I'm sure I know why.

there is still absolutely zero evidence to support this theory

You clearly haven't ever looked into it if you think this is in any way an accurate statement.

Make me a believer, then.

... the MSM doesn't go after Trump for being a birther anymore because Trump disavowed birtherism in a very public press conference where he stated unequivocally that Barack Obama was born in the United States.

I'll grant you that there's never a unified opinion on anything on social media, but there's often a majority opinion.

this is my third Arpaio thread and I have come to the conclusion that there are many people here who are legitimately mentally unwell and have lost the ability to reason.

Would you say, those people have gone bannanas?

A lot of people here (and elsewhere) use the fact that there is corruption to blame whatever they don't agree with on said corruption.

Yay! I like that guy. He seems like a straight shooter, and this was obviously more about Obama's birth cert than it was any supposed crime of his, so I say today was a good day.

Instead of downvoting, I'll ask why you think it was about Obama's birth certificate instead of the 4th amendment violations on the basis of race that he was warned for (and then continued to do) (and so was found in contempt of court).

I'm not sure exactly what you're asking, but it looks like your main question is "how do you know it's forged?", and the answer is I have taken the time to research both sides of the argument. Have you? I've yet to meet someone who has been able to deny the claims once they have watched the PD's press release about the birth certificate, much less tried their methods for themselves.

He's not asking about the evidence.

Oh, alright.

I wasn't asking that at all*, I was asking why - even if we take as a given that the birth certificate was forged - you think that that was the reason Arpaio was found in contempt of court when he himself proudly admitted that he ignored the court order to stop racially profiling.

I mean, I'm kind of picturing a shadowy cabal going, "How do we get this guy?? He's discovered the Truth about Obama's birth certificate! ... Wait, he's just admitted to racially profiling in clear contempt of a court order. Okay, that'll do it."

"How do we get this guy?? He's discovered the Truth about Obama's birth certificate! ... Wait, he's just admitted to we can pin some bullshit charge of "racially profiling", and he won't agree to it, which is good because we couldn't pin it if we tried, so we'll charge him with contempt of court.. Okay, that'll do it."

Yeah totally, I think the same thing. And I think you must be lying about "working a lot with photoshop", tbh.

This is from a 2010 deposition in the case.

Question: Do you think it's racial profiling if your deputies look for Latinos with respect to immigration violations, given the fact that the majority of illegal immigrants in Arizona are Latinos?

Arpaio: No.

So... that's racial profiling. Argue as much as you like about whether we should have racial profiling, but it's cut-and-dry racial profiling. Arpaio doesn't think it's racial profiling, but him saying no to that seems like pretty cut-and-dry proof.

And you can think what you want. I was a journalism major, and I do freelance stuff with visual design. I'm not very good at it - I do more things like emblems and stuff than anything you'd find in r/photoshopbattles - but still.

haha he's an immigration officer, in a state where there are mostly illegals of one nationality/race/ethnicity.

So your argument is that we should have racial profiling. Good. Argue that all you want. But don't use that as your argument and then say the racial profiling charge is bullshit.

Nah man, you're twisting my words to suit your argument. 2/10; should not do that.

Listen, pulling someone over because of their race is racial profiling. It's the definition of it. There's a very good argument to be made for racial profiling, particularly in border states, but saying that it's not racial profiling shows a misunderstanding of what racial profiling is.

So I should ask, what do you think racial profiling is?

Eh, pulling someone over because you think they're illegal in a state whose population of illegal immigrants is 90% latino isn't really "racial profiling" ala "hatred of others for the color of their skin only". Dude's just doing his job. Calling him racist is like saying a doctor who specializes in black diabetes specialist is racist because most of his clients are black.

Okay, I see the problem. I say "racial profiling", you hear "racist". They are really, REALLY not the same thing. And racial profiling especially does not mean "hatred of others for the color of their skin only". It can be used by people who think that, but generally speaking at its worst it only means someone who goes "they're black, must've done SOMETHING, better pull them over". Profiling them as a criminal because of their race.

To be fair, there's a lot of angry voices out there right now conflating the two, because, well, it's easier to digest that "Arpaio is racist" than any nuance.

Yeah, I know they're not the same thing. You're still using them as if they're the same, even in your example, and I knew you wouldn't be able to understand the difference, so I was like "why bother; let him think it".

You won't like this, I'm sure, but suffice it to say, statistics exist. You can't expect police to blind themselves to reality to spare your feelings, dude.

"Generally speaking, at its worst" did precede that example. My point was that racial profiling can be entirely devoid of racism, and I don't understand why it seems like you're trying to defend Arpaio of racism when I'm not accusing him of that. Pulling over Latinos because they're more likely to be illegal immigrants doesn't mean you hate Latinos, or think Latinos are lesser, or any of that. It just means you're racially profiling.

But even in those instances, it's still illegal. You're arguing that it shouldn't be, and in certain cases I'd agree, but Arpaio clearly broke the law. Was it an unjust law that unfairly limits the police? Maybe! Did he break it? Definitely!

Nah man, I don't think so, but you do you :D

I've looked into it, and the entire conspiracy feels like disguised racism to me.

Oh, weird. Maybe try to look for the source information; try not to rely on people who tell you what to think. I bet you'll figure it out.

I have, but all the source information looks designed to fool the ignorant and stupid.

Oh, no, remember where I said to not rely on people who tell you what to think? Try it that way. It's not something you'll be able to do in a span of minutes. ;)

You're the only person here trying to tell me what to think.

Nah, if you'll reread, you'll find that I'm asking you to go to the source and think for yourself. I trust you :)

Yes, and I went to the source and I think you're deluded. I don't think you're capable of real analysis, your posts around here are mostly devoid of content.

I'm glad you were able to see where we got off track. Baby steps! Not down to fight you, though.

Shout out from Glendale, AZ. Voted for Trump, hate Arpaio because of his human rights abuses. Not happy tonight.

It's refreshing to see somebody say they voted for Trump but disagree with one of his actions. That's a healthy approach, I'm from an EU country where there is usually a much wider spectrum of voting choice. There is also plenty of criticism even of your choice of party that is in power. This all or nothing support/deflect/twist of your chosen candidate is too prevalent, from all sides in the US.

Imo, it's about intellectual honesty. I voted for Trump because he seemed anti-establishment, and the establishment hated him. 'The enemy of my enemy is my friend.' Drain the swamp? Heck yes!! Plus, Hillary is just...evil. I honestly think we would already be embroiled in WWIII had she been elected.

But, now that Trump has been in office for almost 7 months, I have to judge him on his merits. I don't like much of anything he's done, and he seems to have no intention of 'draining the swamp' judging by his cabinet choices. I don't see him as any different than any other politician at this point.

I think an important thing to consider is this: Many anti-establishment type citizens voted for Trump. His campaign promises and rhetoric gave them hope at a point in time when all hope for politics was lost, at a tine when it was difficult to have fairh that things might ever get better. Despite what the media says about job growth & unemployment, the state of affairs of the average American has been in the shitter since the 08 housing crash. Things never got better, we just learned how to make due with less.

Admitting that Trump is not who he said he was means giving up hope - the hope that there can be a shift in the power dynamics in Washington DC, hope that the career politicians and crooks will be held accountable and stripped of their power, **hope that there might be some justice or equality for the working poor (which cobstitutes 40-60% of the population, in my estimation).

Giving up on Trump means relinquishing hope that shit will ever change, relinquishing hope that things will get better in the next 4 years for the acerage American. Those who still support Trump and refuse to see his faults are heavily vested in the hope that Trump will make things better. I understand why it is so hard to give up that hope.

The root problem is people thinking they can elect one person who will fix all their problems. This went for Obama as well. Unfortunately, you have to roll up your sleeves, spend some time informing yourself, and participate in government from the local level and up.

As the first rational Trump voter, I have run into, I am curious, how much did you look into Trump's past before voting?

What if I told you I never said he wasn't? All I said was if obama did this, right wing news outlets would be creating hysteria, which ultimately led to Trump.

My statement says nothing about Barry Bombs being better or worse than Trump. Though now that you bring it up, Trump's racist ass is about 1 zillion times worse.

Yeah man. Had some fucked up shit happen to my house. Had to sell it to a cash buyer because we are underwater now. Fucking crazy. Just maxing now though. For real, cheers, fam.

Fox News is one network. Every single other network, newspaper, movie studio, tv station, sports league, pop singer, etc. sucked his dick 24/7 for 8 years straight.

Those same networks and now Fox are biting down on Trump's dick for 24/7.

Yes, and I went to the source and I think you're deluded. I don't think you're capable of real analysis, your posts around here are mostly devoid of content.