I Am The Devil's Advocate. AMA!

3  2017-08-28 by DangmaDzyu

I am not here to troll, or be trolled. I am not here to have petty arguments. I am not here to say that you're wrong. What I would like to do is play the role of Devil's Advocate, with the Devil in this case being The Powers That Be, or any of their flock.

What I would like is for you to ask me questions, and I will answer them on behalf of my client, The Devil. Or whomever you believe His real name is.

Please keep it civil. This is a thought experiment.

Assume that I am mostly privy to my clients' workings, but not necessarily aware of all the minutia. I see the grand design, but I don't get bogged down by the day-to-day details.

Maybe I have answers that can help you.

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the world is, always has been and always will be ruled by bankers

Bank tellers are bankers. But, they have a boss. So do "The Bankers" you speak of.

They may seem to hold the power, from the perspective of some, but they aren't at the top of the pyramid.

Do you have any questions?

Who are the bankers bosses?

Which bankers?

rockefellers, rothschilds

The patriarchs of those families are puppets of an off-world entity.

Who is the entity? Reptilians from the lower 4th dimension, Greys, Archons, demiurge?

Who my clients communicate with directly would be a breach of attorney client privilege.

I can say that they are in contact with both humans and non-humans.

Oh look more beating around the bush! This is when we instantly know you're full of shit!

There was no beating around the bush. My answer couldn't have been more direct.

OH golly wouldn't want to break the law of confusion, better stay away from asking you anything else!!

You may ask anything you want. I'll provide whatever information I feel like providing, and generally that is based on what I am allowed to provide.

But I cannot prove the existence of a higher level being, thus violating the Free-Will of the Skeptic. That's a Universal Law. I'm sorry that it upsets you. When you grow into your own abilities as creator, you can create a universe that doesn't have Free-Will. And then you can have people divulge whatever they like.

From whence came You?

Whence cometh thou

The source of All, my child.

For I am not your child as we are all the same one in all and none the child of another :)

You and I both are the children of our own imaginations.

I the child of yours, and you the child of mine.

This is not how Devil's Advocate works.

It is if this is how you're working and you are literally the Devil's Advocate.

I misread it- thought you were playing devils advocate. My question is if money makes the world go round.

I remember a tow truck driver telling me he knows tow truck companies fuck people over but not to blame him because "it's just a job."

So I told him "yes but you are participating in this shady company in exchange for money. Your presence props this company up. You are supporting them."

Basically "it's just a job so go talk to the boss" is no excuse. Most tellers have no idea how diabolical the banks are but higher level bankers know and they still participate.

The truth is in the public domain. Everyone is exercising their own free-will.

Yes! If they are part of an evil machine they should be reprimanded. I'll tell them all, even the sacred Troops.

No thanks

Are people really wasting time on this larper?

What is a larper? How do you know this person is a larper? Maybe, we are all larpers and not larpers at the same time.

Why depopulation? You are effectively controlling 7 billion people.

Don't the masses complain of overpopulation? Don't they claim that humans cause climate change? Don't they worship their mother Earth?

Sounds like they are asking for a very specific solution.

It is no on count one, but yes to the other two. You crafty little devil you.

What's the end goal for TPTB?

The end goal is the evolution of their soul. Godhood. TPTB typically rock out with their collective cock out.

The end goal is the evolution of their soul. Godhood.

Do they not understand that death and destruction will only make their soul descend in the Astral realm?

TPTB typically rock out with their collective cock out.

Horrible mental imagery, but sounds about right.

Do they not understand that death and destruction will only make their soul descend in the Astral realm?

Have you ever seen TPTB kill anyone, personally?

They are adepts in the astral realm.

It's all about intent. For example Rockafellar may never commit murder himself but his intention has been to kill many people which he used his goons to do. Basically it is the sinister intent that counts; not necessarily the action itself.

Who have the Rockefellers intended to murder?

Whose Free-Will have they violated?

TPTb have done much evil against mankind by destroying economies etc... and Rockafellar is the boss of many of these people. He sanctions and promotes this kind of activity. Even if he never personally hurt anyone, he holds some of the responsibility of the terrrors unleashed by his employees.

It's all about intent. If a man accidentally steals something by thinking it's his, it doesn't make him a theif. If man tells a man to murder someone, both men become murderers.

And what do you know of the intent of The Rockefellers? Do you have anything more than assumptions?

Have they violated anyone's Free-Will? Has anyone had a Soul Contract violated?

In this grand illusion, everyone plays their part. Everyone gets exactly what they signed up for.

Sounds about right.

None of us can prove what Rockafellar has done but we know. Also, blaming the victim card is simply a way to justify evil actions against others. Everyone is doing the "right" thing from their perspective of the world.

Stop identifying as a victim. You are the only one who can allow your victimization.

How would you deal with competition that just moved in across the street, that practically undoes all your hard work? Curse Purge Plus

What is his goal?

Your evolution.

Into what? Or where?

To prevent evolution of man so we can keep being slaves..

No one could possibly prevent your evolution, besides you.

TPTB have refused to teach us helpful knowledge, they put fluoride in our water, use media like a brainwashing tool, etc.. all to devolve us into our previous, lesser state because we would be easier to enslave. These things may not stop evolution but they slow it down for sure.

No one else is responsible for what you choose to learn. All the information you need has been provided to you. Ask and ye shall receive, seek and ye shall find.

Fluoride is in the water because you allow it. Collectively, you demand it. Nothing in life comes uninvited. I promise.

Into a Being of Light. Like Him.

I can already do this.

Phew, phew! Look at my laser farts!

Like Him It.

The top of the pyramid isn't dependent upon gender or sex. It's passed it. There are multiple tiers - indeed - many of which are inhabited by gendered/sexed beings. This is true. The further one goes up the ladder, however, the less dependent are the beings therein upon male/female paradigms.

The true beings of light are both male and female and yet more still.

We are all both male and female. Some of us just exibit more male characteristics on a soul level. That is the energy that reaches out and grasps, as opposed to sitting back and receiving.

Gender manifests on all levels, as Hermes taught us.

The “sitting back and receiving” vs the “reaching out and grasping” dynamics could in a certain sense be likened to the ego vs super ego aspects of the individual’s personality.

Ego is male - reaching out, grasping.

Super ego is female - sitting back, assessing whether the choice the ego made is in fact the best, most wise one, being willing to wait and make sacrifices in order to arrive at yet greater achievement.

Balance should be recommended between the two, but it certainly seems that we live in a current age where male, offense-oriented energy is at the forefront.

7th Hermetic Principle

The holographic universe. Yin and yang. Everything is everything. Tat tvam asi.

I was suggesting The Holographic Universe to someone else, without seeing this comment. I was also commenting on telepathy.

Seems perhaps there's vibration on not entirely dissimilar wavelengths occurring.

Woo, I love those vibrations.

I'm trying to learn as much as possible and vibrate at higher and higher frequencies. Much easier said than done (for me), but I definitely try.

I'd say that OPs like this help.

I'm glad you recognize the benefit. Feel free to vibrate over at /r/DangmaDzyu any time.

Will do. Thanks much.

Who, specifically, wrote the Bible, where, and when, please? :)

We've certainly contributed our 2 cents.

But can you answer my question?

You don't think that the authorship of every passage of the bible might fall under the day-to-day minutia which I am not involved with?

There's no single author of The Holy Bible.

Thank you. I've been told there were three. And the forming of the Bible is no "day to day" minutiae. It was a pivotal moment, for manipulation of "Western" civilization. I'm not trying to offend, but I'd like an answer, if you have one. I'm persistent, not hostile.

Three original authors? No. The stories were all taken from much older texts. See the Akkadian/Sumerian Tablets. The Epic of Gilgamesh, Egyption Paganism, etc etc.

Def not 3 authors. That much I can promise you. There have been more than 3 authors since Constantine.

Alright. I didn't believe the "three" number anyway. I guess that question has run its course. On to the next.

Don't get bogged down with "Who was the messenger?", just focus on the message, and applying that message in a way that is most efficient for your own personal growth.

I'm fairly familiar with the mythology you present. I'm interested in filling in historical gaps, and figuring out where the Families came from. Stand at the beginning, n all that...

Why study History when it isn't static?

I believe that figuring out where we come from is key to figure out where we are, and where we're going.

If you focus on going where you want to go, the history will take care of itself. As I said, history is not static, it is mutable. Focus on moving towards the future that you prefer, and when you get there you will see the history that you prefer.

the devil lived backwards

/u/DangmaDzyu

four sources: J, E, D, P

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of the Bible.

There are four sources to the bible, and they are letters of the alphabet?

Most of the new testament was written by two brothers, using many names.

look up JEDP Theory

Why would anyone believe that Moses authored The Holy Bible, when the same stories were being recorded thousands of years before his supposed existence? Of course Moses didn't author any bible. Foolishness.

That only applies to the first five books, if I remember right. I was trying to gauge dangma's knowledge on the topic, but I flubbed up by not even asking my question right. I was interested in when the tanakh was compiled, but I blurted out the wrong thing. Oh well.

correct.

moving on,

Q Source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_document

M Source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-Source

L Source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L_source

Q+/Papias Hypothesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q%2B/Papias_hypothesis

Logias ( words ) = Oral Tradition, alleged combination with Q to make Mark, in Marcan Priority https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markan_priority

some links to help refresh.

and one to grow on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peshitta

Thanks. That gives me some stuff to dig into over the next little while. I have broad ideas about the origins of the new testament, (and old), but I'm not an expert in the finer details that your links get into. I'm sure I'll pick up something interesting here.

I'm off the opinion that Josephus is responsible for the bulk of the New testament, written in service of Vespasian and Titus. And that he even assumed the role of Paul. The Piso variation seems extremely convoluted, with huge leaps and inferences required at way too many steps along the way. I'm not completely shut off to it, but it seems like a tangled mess of reaches and alliterations.

Who were the brothers? Or one of them, at least?

The Brothers Piso

Alright. I made a mistake in phrasing my earlier question. I was a little distracted. Who compiled the old testament tanakh of the Bible, when and where? I know much of it is compilation, but it seems to have a specific time and place, when the bulk of it was put together. Especially the Nevi'im portion.(Minus some later prophet additions.

You want to know which scribes copied the Epic of Gilgamesh? What meaning would that have for you?

There's a lot more to the old testament than the epic of Gilgamesh influence. That's just one source, among many. And the history of "Israel", even though it's deliberately misrepresented, still takes place long after that story.

Basically, I'm trying to track the hyksos after their Exodus, into Babylonian exile, and shortly afterwards, when they compiled the old testament. And how they transitioned from exile, into Canaan, and then into Rome. If you had information on where they came from, before Egypt and Sumer, that would also be handy :)

Maybe you are thinking about the 3 authors of the 4 gospels.

Are TPTB panicking? There is a ton of heat on them with white hat forces and the fact that much of the population woke up to the truth of this evil.

What is TPTB opinion on Trump?

Is John Podesta on the run?

There's no panic. It's all a dance. Times change, inevitably. We are as prepared for the shift as anyone.

TPTB might have a plan but it doesn't mean that plan will work for them. We are in a whole new age here. The masses have awoken and there is a shitload of pressure against TPTB all in the last year. I'm just saying it doesn't look good for them. The only reason they got away with it for so long is because people were asleep but now they are awake.

You are saying that because you have been enlightened, that you no longer have a shadow. It's the light that causes the shadow. The shadow will remain, I assure you.

Transparency casts no shadow either. Id watch out for that if all-seeing eye was you.

Transparency casts no shadow

Not necessarily true. In fact, more often than not, untrue.

Source?

By definition.

Show me a shadow from a transparent object. Not by definition, but by photography.

The key is not to cast out the dark, but to simply remain in the light.

And in order to do that, you must cast out the darkness from within.

Oh most certainly. The light I was referring to, after all, was an internal light - not an external one. If your internal light is sufficiently evolved, you can be in the darkest of places and still function properly.

Much easier said than done, of course, and it is a thing that often (if not always) take multiple lifetimes to achieve, but A) the general dynamic is true all the same, and B) most (if not all) of us here on this planet have already incarnated (here and in other realms) multiple times already anyway.

What if you found out that the dark isn't the evil that you thought it was.

Farther down your path (or is it further if the path is metaphorical?), you may find that the "darkness" is simply being imbalanced towards either Knowledge or Compassion. Yes, someday being too compassionate could in fact be the new "Evil".

Good vs Evil is just the 3D paradigm. There are others though.

What if you found out that the dark isn't the evil that you thought it was.

I don’t think the dark is evil in and of itself - not in the least. Not infrequently, the dark can be likened to a parent who disciplines their child - be it through a scolding, a grounding, or even a spanking - with the intention of getting the child to work harder, be more disciplined, studying harder, make better grades, be a better person, etc, etc. Within reason, this type of disciplining cannot in and of itself be said to be a bad or a negative thing. From the perspective of the disciplined child, of course, this is indeed “bad” and “dark”, but if all goes well, a child properly disciplined will often grow up being rather better off because of the disciplining they received while growing up (that thing they at the time looked upon as and considered "darkness").

The dark is the discipline. If you cannot cope, it will eat you up. If you can cope and overcome and learn from what it has to teach you, however, the dark can be responsible for making you become better.

Reminds me of that one scene in the movie Jacob’s Ladder.

Farther down your path (or is it further if the path is metaphorical?), you may find that the "darkness" is simply being imbalanced towards either Knowledge or Compassion. Yes, someday being too compassionate could in fact be the new "Evil".

It seems the key is not necessarily compassion or evil then. The key is simply transcendence and balance.

Good vs Evil is just the 3D paradigm. There are others though.

Correct.

Everyone will eventually move towards the light once they entirely give up on darkness. Evolution can be slowed down but it cannot be stopped. Only in the end will dark be utterly consumed by light and in ultimate reality, only light exists.

That may be true for your reality.

Sometimes.

why does the Devil need MK Jesus?

The Devil needs MK Jesus?

The Devil needs MK Jesus?

apparently his people seem to want someone to think they're Jesus. i dunno why, that's why i'm asking.

Does He want people to think they're Jesus, or does he want everyone to KNOW they're Jesus?

Or do people simply believe they are Jesus, with others blaming that belief on some unseen influence that they label The Adversary?

Does He want people to think they're Jesus, or does he want everyone to KNOW they're Jesus?

Or do people simply believe they are Jesus, with others blaming that belief on some unseen influence that they label The Adversary?

lol, no i mean specific individuals being programmed into thinking that they're jesus. i'm not talking about the general enlightenment thing. why would this be necessary? why the need to have a single individual meeting prophetic signs?

There will be a false Michael that returns. Then the real Michael will return. People want to encourage one, so they can get on to the other.

There will be a false Michael. Then the real Michael will return. People want to encourage one, so they can get on to the other.

yeah i'm not talking about Michael. i'm talking about the antichrist/christ deal. i'm talking about Jupiter (ie. Peter, Jesus, Zeus, Horus, Tammuz, Thoth, etc). DJ. The cross and the serpent. The cross in balance changing phi-ly. That cat, lol. there's quite a large production to make such an individual appear. the counterpoint to Saturn/Set/Satan. DJT as Trump's initials are, for instance, possibly not coincidental. Not that he's Jesus, but that there's an effort to build up people that conform to the archetype. tell your boss that this plan is susceptible to larping, lol.

Is the earth itself conscious?

Yes.

Are we an emanation of it, or do we come from somewhere else?

Both.

Is Earth flat?

Is Earth flat?

Yes.

Are you working on the Mashiach?

No.

Can I have a job?

Yes.

Can I have a job?

Yes.

This is the most interesting answer i've seen. In a new and changed world what sort of jobs would there be. Of what use could i be to society?

Most of the paperwork and administration jobs seem like pointless jobs that could be gotten ridden of, similarly the police's function makes me wonder.

In an enlightened society, who would pay someone else to stop them from causing evil? If we overcame all aspects of artificial scarcity and excessive consumption then why would we pay someone else to apportion us our share.

You said that user could have a job. If i asked the same would you say yes? If so what would the job be?

This is the most interesting answer i've seen. In a new and changed world what sort of jobs would there be. Of what use could i be to society?

There will always be a supply for every demand. If you desire to labor for pay, there will be someone to accommodate you.

What's your skill set?

Pessimism, neglect, self loathing and impulsiveness. Not very sure there's much use anyone else could find in that.

Those are what you define as your skills?

They are the factors i would credit as responsible for the outcome of my endeavors. It's not a grave, just the future we make right?

You're the master of your reality.

In an enlightened society, who would pay someone else to stop them from causing evil?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/04/richmond-california-anti-violence_n_7504554.html

What do you mean by the earth is flat? I was told it's a globe? Perhaps from a differeny perspective? I'm confused

The earth has flat spots all over it. My house sits on one. Doesn't mean the earth isn't a globe.

They aren't mutually exclusive.

Oh I understand now, thank you

Does it hurt when the devil bends you over and takes you to Hell pound town?

It depends on how experienced you are. There could be some pain at first. But eventually you'll give in to the pleasure, I assure you.

Do you know about the secret of the seven spheres within three spheres? Is the red dragon's seven heads and crowns frome the bible referencing the spheres?

I would have you read The Urantia Book.

Are we as human beings building a new pyramid? And what is it

Does the pyramidal structure benefit you?

It's a prevalent thing in my life, too many signs and numbers keep coming up.

Is 42 the answer to life, the universe , everything?

That was actually the answer to the previous life.

Why kids? Why rob them of their innocence?

Karma + Soul Contracts.

Nothing in life comes univited. I promise.

I don't accept this answer. It robs children of any justice and justifies a horrific act. How can children have such karma that attracts such vile people into their lives? Your answer is demonstrable of a very disturbing and twisted perspective on the use of children by TPTB. "univited" my ass.

Karma is not limited to a single lifetime.

Chance is but a name for Law unrecognized.

Karma is not limited to a single lifetime.

I saw this coming, honest. IMHO you'r not a very good representative. Your answers are quite inconsistent. From your response, I get that you'd agree that the act, in itself, of molesting children is vile. Yet you've stated elsewhere that TPTB are just representatives of a higher power/being. At the same time, TPTB mostly lives in shadow when performing such vile acts against children. How can this resemble anything we know to be good? How can a higher power allow its' representatives to do anything of the like and be considered good? Is there no moral compass at such a level of existence?!

In any society there are those who wish to dominate, and there are those who wish to be dominated. These are both valid desires, as are all desires. Those who choose to experience domination in various ways agree to incarnate and participate. It is society's judgment that causes the problems. Nobody is having their Free-Will violated from the perspective of the Higher Selves.

Also, your whole fantasy about the raping and murdering of all these children is exactly that, your own fantasy. That's the reality that you generated using your own subconscious. So your real question should be "Why am I so fascinated with the abuse of children".

Remember that the past is not static. It's as malleable as the future. Find the future you prefer, and you'll find the history you prefer too.

No, you don't. Don't try and turn this on me. Ha! That was good.

I am not speaking about any fantasies here. I'm referring to real actual events that plague and degenerate our societies. Pedophilia exists. Pedophilia exists among all classes in society. It exist at the very top of the pyramid which is where the perplexity, for me, lies. At least in the context of karma and representing a higher power/being.

You are describing a reality that you are generating using your own consciousness. You are a co-creator of that reality.

When you search within, you will find out why those things exist in you.

The only place you should ever point a finger is at the mirror.

Certainly not! My consciousness doesn't allow me to accept grossly vague answers. To suggest that I'm a co-creator of this reality, through karma, other-worldly, astral plane shit or otherwise, is vague and I'll not accept that as justification.

Also, no, often times the best place to point the finger is at the abyss! That blackness that is horrified by even a single speck of light.

That abyss exists where all else exists. Inside you.

Your lack of comprehension is only a mild slight against my ability to teach. But not all are teachable, so I forgive myself.

Lol. Ok Siddhartha reincarnate. /s

Go on justifying these gross atrocities through your astral plane logic. Your good at protecting your boss through this masquerade - a "holy teacher" that works for TPTB justifying atrocities through ideas on karma and the astral plane while claiming the earth is flat.

Indeed, you exist on a completely different plane. In this reality, however, justifying pedophilia through karma and the astral plane in the court of law just doesn't work. You probably wouldn't know that. It is a reality that you and your masters can't accept. Stay in that darkness, the abyss of the cave, it is the only place where you and your masters can remain safe!

The world is flat in many places. Surely you've seen evidence.

I hope you notice your attitude, vs mine. If you could look at that objectively, you'd truly understand where the abyss is.

Ok, I see you know a little so time for some tougher questions.

  1. Would you agree that evil is merely error?

  2. What is your take on Jesus' teachings?

  3. Do you believe God to be entirely good and perfect?

  4. Is Trump for the people or just another negatively orientated politician?

  5. Do you believe all of life is just one person?

  6. Are you anticipating this Event that is supposed to be coming up? What do you think will happen?

  7. What is your opinion on Lucifer and Satanism or Talmudism?

Would you agree that evil is merely error?

No.

What is your take on Jesus' teachings?

Jesus Yeshua was a clear channel.

Do you believe God to be entirely good and perfect?

The One Infinite Creator? The All? He is above such polarity.

Is Trump for the people or just another negatively orientated politician?

He is exactly what you need.

Do you believe all of life is just one person?

One person? No. Ultimately a single consciousness? Yes.

Are you anticipating this Event that is supposed to be coming up? What do you think will happen?

The worst is over. Some chaos remains. Then we all rebuild anew.

What is your opinion on Lucifer and Satanism or Talmudism?

Lucifer? We're good people. Satanism? Which flavor? The Talmud was law for a much earlier generation, it has outlived its usefulness at this point.

Interesting, thanks for answering.

I know I live in Colorado, inside THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA CORPORATION, on PLANE earth, below a dome, but trully and honestly, where do I live? Thank you in advance.

In order to describe any location, you have to relate it to some other location. But there are no other locations. Your existence is infinite in every conceivable way. Nothing is outside of you. So, where are you? Everywhere and no where at the same time.

Anywhere you choose to be.

Agreed. Do you have knowledge of the globe lie and why those deceptive practices occur? What is beyond Antarctica? What is at the center, aka the north pole?

How much more time do,you have before Jesus kicks your red ass?

I remember when we invented Jesus.

Such a money maker.

So if you invented him why did you invent the story of him turning down your offer of this world? You don't seem to be the humble type. Explain.

Turning down our gifts is suicide.

Accepting them is

Wasn't suicide for the Rothschilds or Rockefellers. They had much better lives than Yeshua.

Well sure if all you are thinking about is mortal life here but that's not the game and we both know it. You as usual fib for the rib :-P

Rothschilds have served you no less than Yeshua has. No, I'm not just talking about mortal life.

I'm sorry if the truth hurts you.

A. You have never told the truth. And B. You can't hurt me. And it not because I'm the gingerbread man.

The pain will subside.

I have no pain and the best part is I won't and I know it.

The truth will set you free.

You don't have it. I do and it already day has.

Who you trying to convince?

No one Lucy no one. I know what I know and you have always played the liar since the beginning.

Ironic. You should probably check your sources. You're easily duped.

Says the original duper

Unfortunately, you have no evidence to support that. You believe a book that was written by a tyrant. You couldn't be more confused.

You can say what you'd like as I know you always will.. Just keep yappin doesn't work with me :-)

I'm aware. Your inability to listen and comprehend is the cause of your ignorance. I'm divinely indifferent though.

I heard from real divinity you are the absence of it trying to eternity get Dad's attention all the while knowing you can't do what he can with no effort.

ya u mad

And I know why. :-*

Not in the least you can't make me mad.

The world is flat in many places. Surely you've seen evidence.

I hope you notice your attitude, vs mine. If you could look at that objectively, you'd truly understand where the abyss is.

There's a lot more to the old testament than the epic of Gilgamesh influence. That's just one source, among many. And the history of "Israel", even though it's deliberately misrepresented, still takes place long after that story.

Basically, I'm trying to track the hyksos after their Exodus, into Babylonian exile, and shortly afterwards, when they compiled the old testament. And how they transitioned from exile, into Canaan, and then into Rome. If you had information on where they came from, before Egypt and Sumer, that would also be handy :)

Well sure if all you are thinking about is mortal life here but that's not the game and we both know it. You as usual fib for the rib :-P