Holy fuck 10 hours, I'll check his your schedule. That sounds great!!

That sounds awesome as hell. I'm really glad you got a chance to go!

I was there. Could not always keep my eyes open, due to not getting enough sleep, but listened the whole time.

I think it was his best organized presentation and he cut stuff out I would usually skip through in the books, while making it more relevant to right now.

Did he talk about reptilians?

Thanks for the report on the Icke lectures in Vancouver. Its always good to know that the army of Ickes followers is always growing.

Keep the Faith. Truth will out.

Wish I knew about this. Fuuuuuuck.

Hes controlled opposition. Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.

Maybe and maybe not.

Hes still alive. So hes useful in some sense.

That's not always a valid argument though.

The guy has pretty much tanked his career and rebuilt it just by being diligent with his mind.

At some point credit has to be given where it's due. Not everyone alive and doing well is controlled opposition.

Have you started picking out controlled opposition. You can figure out the pattern. Dont believr me ifyou dont want. Does it affect me?

Hunches can only ever be hunches. I don't make hard decisions, but I'm also aware enough that not everything is a conspiracy.

Once you learn more information and see the bigger picture u can spot controlled opposition by seeing what things they DONT talk about (withhold).

What is Icke not talking about? Why specific battle do you have that he isn't carrying out for you?

I actually dont know his stance on spirituality. Ive already learned the real payh is to cleanse urself. Open your chakras. Raise your christ oil/kundalini up your 33 vertabrae (jacobs ladder) and completr the electric circuit in your body by connecting your spine to your brain with the kuchari mudra which will csuse your pineal gland (third eye) to produce seratonin and melatonin (land of honey and milk/living waters/become dust/holy grail)

Does he tell these things? (Genuinely curious)

Well I could say that from my perspective you are going down a new age path which is created to service yourself through hours of meditation and ego masturbation, so no he doesn't advocate it.

I'm fully aware of everything you reference but I keep full awareness that the Luciferians subverted the new age movement for the specific reason I mentioned above.

All of your masonry nods line up perfectly with Tool's Holy Gift of Masonic knowledge.

Do you think maybe you're following a path set up long ago for you to blindly follow due to the allure of new "truths?"

Does the fact that I'm able to play devils advocate to your belief system make you upset?

If yes, you're still growing. Helping others understand reality and come to terms with truth is far more rewarding than milking your pituitary gland. You can also dildo your ass but that is t the intended unction of that either.

Nope they invert everything. I got this information from the old works like the bible. But yiu believe what you want mang.

I know where you got your metaphors. Who brought you to the realization of the function of the word?

How easy it is to fool your mind. The bible encodes reality because reality is metaphor. If you stop to smell the flowers you won't ever see the field.

So youre saying theres no different between left hand path and right hand path?

Seriously...what? Is your comprehension completely diverted when you read?

You're just trying to get a rise or something. I never even mentioned left hand or right hand. I objectively pointed out the path you described as being controlled by hose with a dark agenda.

Invest in it all you want. I said there's truth to the information and balance is the key to bringing it to other humans in this reality which is our test.

Mental masturbate all you want. All that time is spent not helping anyone else aka you.

Im telling you they follow left hand i follow right. If you dont know the difference then youre the one getting a rise.

You're the one dividing still actually.

No rise here. Just observation of your emotional rising and falling.

How about you support your stance with something more substantial then so we can debate. Im already aware of a lot of their left hand magick stuff.

You're not even aware of the artificial divide yet so I'll move along.

I don't need evidence and links to debate your flawed philosophy.

I am aware of it but do you know the cause? The battle that ensues because of it. Do you read history and the great works? Have you figured out the lies the current world tells us? I myself havent reached that transcendence and ican tell you havent either.

Yes. I have studied. Have you had a conversation with me? I'm dancing around your logic.

I understand the power of parable and metaphor and use the great works in casual thought and conversation.

If you dig you'd find out what I know instead of assuming things are wrong or dismissing people's points of views.

If this conversation were in person I would laugh hard at you for that comment.

It shows that you still subscribe to a nature of duality as the method of ascension in consciousness.

I would only laugh at the joke they are playing on your victimhood.

You wouldn't understand the joke.

Im aware there is true oneness but also aware of tbe karma each incarnation of our souls accumulate.

You use words to fake awareness

Can YOU stop projecting. I am merely speaking truth. If you wish to blind yourself then do so.

Your truth is convoluted and messy and requires a lot of emotional explanation because it still consists of artificial constructs that you borrow.

Beneath the waters there is an ocean.

I definitely dont knkw everything but the reason why i believr in the kundalini and kuchari mudra is our body are not only capable but designed to do so. So as much as i debate and read i know this is the path i must pursue for i believe the creator

Then cut your tongue and suffocate on it.

So you deny theres an intermediate stagr after physical death where our karmas are balanced to determine where we go?

Your words. You should focus on hearing or reading what people say instead of your questions over what's being said.

I dont think theres anything to question with the direct way youre speaking.

You claim to know truth and speak in absolutes. I am merely the clever fool seeing the cracks in your logic and substance of your beliefs.

Sorry to "entertain" you. Carry on light worker.

Oh light worker huh. Looks like youre the new age fool.

Tongue in cheek.

Ok you seem overly confident in your position. I will humble myself and read yhrough our convos and think on it. I do think you are speaking some truth i myself am skeptical and the only reason why i follopw the body steps is because we were born with it.

There have been numerous accounts of ppl reaching enlightenment without doing anythijg im not seeking enlightenment. I am seeking the living waters and immortal life. But really i want to meet G-d and ask myself.

We were both fools. I have realized now that God is responsible for all reality, events, existence and we choose (based on our egos) which God represents good and evil but we need to realize that it is all one God divided, to teach us how to transcend duality and understand the mechanics of life.

If there is no comparison for good and evil we aren't able to grow from experience and choice. This is a school and we were both right the entire time.

Level complete. Next level ;)

The content of your commentary is revealing of the level you are on.

Maybe you should debate more because any debater knows that the first person to attack the other is a loser.

I care not what anyone thinks. Haha. The only person that I intend to bring a lesson to, is you.

If you can't calm down enough to read the message trough your own subjective emotional interpretation, then come back later and try again.

Im avtually so calm. Just came back from a meditation in the wilderness and in day 3 of my water fast.

Maybe our impasse is miscommunication?

Sure. Later.

Debate on the facts not the other person.

Waking up to the infinite source is not dependant on cleaning of the bodymind. The realisation can happen first and then the power flowing from the infinite will start the cleaning of the bodymind.

Actually yes. Enlightenment can happen anytime but resurrection happens through these steps.

What is resurrection?

I havent figured it out completely but its supposedly the second coming of christ.

It is already so but as long as there is a separate I this I will be its own veil. God is interpenetrating the whole universe and in fact the universe itself is like a mirage made of gods infinite power.

The gosbel of thomas has good sayings.

113 His disciples said to him, "When will the kingdom come?"

"It will not come by watching for it. It will not be said, 'Look, here!' or 'Look, there!' Rather, the Father's kingdom is spread out upon the earth, and people don't see it."

17 Jesus said, "I will give you what no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, what no hand has touched, what has not arisen in the human heart."

So are we really supposed to sacrifice our right eye?

Metaphors cant be taken literally, they hid the meanings in symbolic talk.

The body unit can not perceive the spirit. The spirit cant be perceived, it is perceiving. I think it was saint francis that said “What we are looking for is what is looking.”

Are you familiar with mathew 7:14 i think it was?

Matthew 7:13

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

You take your tongue out of your mouth and up your nasal cavity. This is taught in all the religions secretly. Tao te ching, etcetc.

This is how you get out of the reincarnation trap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Upj5U1jx_WA&t=2761s

You take your tongue out of your mouth and up your nasal cavity. This is taught in all the religions secretly. Tao te ching, etcetc.

I am aware of that mudra. There is only one surefire way and that is to realise you were never born in the first place. If you take yourself to be the body you will try to liberate the body and its self identity. If you know what you are beyond the body you are already free having never been bound. The body appearance is not real as in its not a solid physical body made of matter. They call it matter but they dont know what it is.

Jesus said to them, "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eye in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter [the kingdom]."

18 The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us, how will our end come?"

Jesus said, "Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is.

Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."

1. Jesus said, "Congratulations to the one who came into being before coming into being.

51 His disciples said to him, "When will the rest for the dead take place, and when will the new world come?"

He said to them, "What you are looking forward to has come, but you don't know it."

That sounds as the same as that mudra though. And tao te chijgs "become like dust". Have you experienced it yourself and speaking from it?

All spiritual traditions talk of this same thing, there are many different mudras and techniques and practices. I never did these techniques, I did self enquiry and practiced being aware of being aware. Only later after the energies that had been activated by awakening started to move in the body I started to do sitting meditation to look at what was going on.

Have you experienced it yourself and speaking from it?

Yes, although the I is the veil that hides the reality. Or what is taken to be I. Identity based on bodymind. So that I is not going to experience it since it not real I.

I heard one person put it like this: I thought I would wake up to the truth of God but the truth of God woke up to the fiction of me.

Knowing others is wisdom;
Knowing the self is enlightment.
Mastering others requires force;
Mastering the self needs strength.

He who knows he has enough is rich.
Perseverance is a sign of will power.
He who stays where he is endures.
To die but not to perish is to be eternally present.

To die but to not perish means for the veil to drop and then there is a recognition of that which is boundless and eternal.

Have you read the magus of java?

No never heard of it.

The author seeks out the man in this video after watch the documentary "ring of fire" by the lawrence brothers or something.

Heres a short clip

https://youtu.be/Pdmz13YaO0w

Yeah I remember seeing a video of this same man before.

Yes, in the book they descrive how to go through the levels of spiritual attainment and a lot of stuff is mentioned. Life after death. Pyrokinisis. Telepathy. Etc.

Really there is only one non attainment that matters, its non attaining the false I which leaves the real. The powers are nice but they wont help if the one who is using them is deluded.

This is why many traditions say that dont chase the powers, they will bind you to the ego since if the ego gets a hold of these powers it wont let go. Its better to see the ego is not real before so it wont get in the way. First free yourself and then if you want you can get into attaining any powers you wish.

I dont care about any of that. Its interesting but the book details how john chang actually met G-d and this is the closest to our timeline of an account from someone still alive that matches accounts in history and the great works. So my single mission is to cleanse myself and meet G-d to find the true true.

You will never find the true as that which is not true. The true is already here. Its in front of your face and all around you interpenetrating your whole being.

That which is looking for the true is the true looking for itself. The reason why you wont find it is because it is already everything. The I that is looking for it has separated itself from everything in its own dream of being a separate self.

So the separate self is like a fish in the ocean looking for water.

God is what is looking. Right now. From the invisible the visible comes into being. God cant be seen, God is the seer.

Yes i continually work to detach myself from the body to reach that enlightenment (day 4 of fast) but i also understand that time is running short so i pursue all avenues (which i agree moght be counter beneficial, what do you think?)

Yes i continually work to detach myself from the body to reach that enlightenment (day 4 of fast) but i also understand that time is running short so i pursue all avenues (which i agree moght be counter beneficial, what do you think?)

There is no need to detach from the body since the body is not a problem. Trying to change what is is a problem. The body is only a problem if there is an I that is taken to be real that feels like it is bound by the body. This I is just a thought and a bodily sensation, its not real.

So the most direct way to penetrate this thing is to know who is this I that I take myself to be? Who is this I that has driven me to try all of these things without me ever even questioning if it is real in the first place? Do I even know what this I is? Its driving this body vehicle but where is its seat?

Here are some wise words from the indian sage Ramana Maharshi:

First set about to enquire and know yourself, and after knowing yourself, if 'you are still in need of anything (God, liberation, happiness, etc.), let us look to it then', advises Sri Bhagavan ! The 'I am the body'-consciousness (dehatma-buddhi) is the individual soul (jiva); in other words, the nature of the individual soul is nothing but the wrong knowledge 'I am the body'.

Since the body is insentient, it has no 'I'-consciousness; hence this consciousness (which rises as'I am the body') cannot be said to be the body! Can we thencall it Self (atman), since it is an 'I'-consciousness? No, we cannot, for rising and setting is not the nature of Self. The nature of Self is existence-consciousness (sat-chit), shining ever as 'I am' without rising and setting. thus, this consciousness 'I am the body', which has a rising and a setting, cannot be said to be Self either. It is neither Self,which is consciousness, nor the body, which is insentient! It is a ghost-like false appearance, taking the size of the body as its own size, being limited by time and space, being a mixure of the quality of the body (i.e. rising and setting) and the quality of Self (i.e. shining as an 'I'-consciousness), but at the same time alien to both of them, and rising as a knot (granthi) between Self (chit) and the insentient body (jada)? chit-jada-granthi. This is the ego, otherwise called bondage, soul, subtle body, samsara (the mundane state of activity) mind and so on.

Presupposing the existence of a non-existent thing and then wanting to get salvation for that imaginary 'I', you have to start and try to do so through the above-said four paths of yoga. When your sadhanas themselves become a means of giving life to the non-existent ego, how can they destroy it? To do any sadhana except Self-enquiry (atmavichara), the existence of the mind (jiva) is indispensable. For, how to perform those sadhanas without the mind? To try to destroy the ego by sadhanas other than Self-enquiry is to be just like a thief turning himself into a policeman to catch the thief who is none but himself. Only Self-enquiry can reveal the truth that the ego (mind or jiva) has no existence whatsoever!

So do not accept this ego, the truth of which you have not yet found out by scrutiny; deny it by giving no importance to its existence, root it out and burn it to extinction by attending to how or from what (whence) it rises! Instead of doing so, if you accept it as a real entity even before enquiring and finding out what it is (i.e. before finding out 'Who am I?'), it itself will be a fetter to you and will create many non-existent obstacles (such as lust, anger, etc.) for you, and will then involve you in the aforesaid unnecessary efforts to overcome them' ? thus says Sri Bhagavan.

Thank you. I think i was looking for this.

If you really are interested in truth as I can see you are, you will awaken to it. My blessings <3

Thank you and much love. You leave me with so much to think about haha.

If he was controlled opposition he wouldn't be telling the truth about spirituality and consciousness. The cabal does not want us to know our spiritual truths and power and thus, if he was dis-info, he wouldn't be speaking about those powerful truths.

The only dis-info about him is others trying to smear his work and the facts he puts out.

You do you mate but I personally believe he is far, far away from controlled opposition.

Except that this information is already out there. Icke isnt some pioneer.

Have you looked into bill cooper?

Also if you know anything about spiritual warfare their goal is to make you believe ANYTHING that isnt the prisca theologia. So the minute you settle on someones belief you hold yourself prisoner to their deity (if theirs is not yours).

Not true. Sharing opinions and beliefs doesn't automatically mean you worship someone else's opinions or beliefs, that's kind of silly in my opinion. Also, this stuff is out there, but the cabal doesn't want it spread around. If he was true dis-info, he wouldn't be putting out this kind of information.

Everything he does and says flies in the face of the cabal and exposes their bullshit. I'm sorry, but he's not dis-info in my opinion. I also believe his stances on spirituality but that doesn't automatically mean I worship his God, whatever the hell that means. We are all apart of God anyway. There's no need to worship anyone or anything because we are already God, because we are all one and originate from God or source consciousness.

Alex jones. Dsvid icke. Dr greer. Leonardo di caprio. Bill nye. Neil de grase tyson. Once you at this level you can see that icke and graham are the same. Sorry

Do you see any of those guys talking about spirituality and the truth of what we are?

David Icke is the only person on that list that has even touched on the idea of spiritual truths and chakras etc. everyone else you listed is an obvious sell out

Please dont be a cultist.

???

There are other controlled opposition ppl in the spirtiual game. All the religious structures. Mr graham. This new age wave of "woke" ppl. Look if you dont want to heed my warning then dont but dont come back with blind faith to support your belief.

I heed your warning because I'm all too familiar with disinfo and limited hangouts. I do appreciate it though. However, it's easy to spot the disinfo agents and discernment and intuition can help anyone arrive to that conclusion with anybody. I just personally believe that David Icke is legit, but again, that's only my opinion mate.

Cool. Gl man. Just to note. The way disinfo works is by telling you some truths and some lies. They ALSO omit truths. Just like alex jones doesnt talk about israel david ickes not talking about something.

I dont know ickes spiritual stance cuz ive come to learn its a journey you take alone. But if he doesnt tell you to meditate and raise your christ oil/kundalini up your 33 vertabrae(jacobs ladder) and complete the electric circuit in your body by connecting your spine to your brain with the kuchari mudra which will cause your pineal gland to activate and secrete seratonin and melanonin (land of milk and honey/living waters/turn to dust/holy grail) then hes disinfo for sure.

Yes I'm aware of that practice, as it's usually pretty effective. That's why full awareness and discernment is key.

Yes he touches on all of that. But also, that's not the only way to "enlightenment" and there are many ways that causes someone to go within and seek the truth. Your understanding is one of many that allows people to flip the trigger inside of them that begins their awakening journey.

The awesome thing is now more than ever people are waking up in hordes to these truths and we have a bright future ahead of us all when a good portion of the population is awakening to spiritual truths.

Graham has. So youre wrong, yet again.

I actually dont know his stance on spirituality. Ive already learned the real payh is to cleanse urself. Open your chakras. Raise your christ oil/kundalini up your 33 vertabrae (jacobs ladder) and completr the electric circuit in your body by connecting your spine to your brain with the kuchari mudra which will csuse your pineal gland (third eye) to produce seratonin and melatonin (land of honey and milk/living waters/become dust/holy grail)

Does he tell these things? (Genuinely curious)

Hes right but it doesnt stop there. Your gut/intestines are also important. Which is your intuition.

Yes im there also. Have you read magus of java?

And even if its superior balance is the key.

Got a link? This Icke fellow interests me. I don't believe in reptilians or whatever but I get the feeling he uses it to create the impression that he's a 'nutter' so the establishment doesn't censor him too much.

There are other controlled opposition ppl in the spirtiual game. All the religious structures. Mr graham. This new age wave of "woke" ppl. Look if you dont want to heed my warning then dont but dont come back with blind faith to support your belief.

You're not even aware of the artificial divide yet so I'll move along.

I don't need evidence and links to debate your flawed philosophy.

Tongue in cheek.