Burn the witch.

YEAAAAAAAAA!

Move bitch, get out da' way.

And she did. And then wrote a book wrote a book soaked in tears. And then she went down on Marina Abramovic while Bill fucked a guy and it still didn't make her feel better.

The End.

I remember and i care.

The CIA had so much to blackmail the Clintons with. Wasn't that part of MKultra where the CIA would record politicians abusing children and use the video for blackmail?

The pedo blackmail, i think, has gone on longer and continues past the official MKULTRA program but the research created custom types of controlled slaves and the beta programming specifically created compliant, mindless sex toys.

Project Monarch too

i thought a lot about what sort of thing would require you to do awful things to children and the only thing i could come up with is a way to show you are completely devoid of empathy.

now why would you ever need to do that? well lets think a bit about the who in this theory. well weve got world leaders and the ruling "elite" why would a lack of empathy be a requirement for the club?

well if you are making daily decisions that can result in starvation, war, death etc. then that becomes a highly prized quality.

IF the dirty pedo/murder shit has any merit that imho is going to be the job interview stage, showing that you can ignore the welfare of a single person completely, its like a buy in. saying hey i just fucked/murdered that child who was totally innocent just to get in to this club is one hell of a statement.

in doing so you would have shown you can make decision with out a conscience, and given them the dirt to show that you are going to stay in line. this could be a slow escalation sort of thing, starts off with drugs -> hookers -> kids -> murder -> torture etc. each bridge being one you don't really have the options of walking back over and getting out once your in.

this is why i find it all so terrifying, there is a really fucked up logic behind it that would come from sociopaths.

I personally think the occult allegations are disinformation to steer people away from the UFO emails in the Podesta leaks. If you're familiar with the UFO world, you will be aware that 95 percent of what you read and see is made by disinformation agents and trolls or people repeating disinformation rumors. It takes a while before you find really good information.

Check Podesta's Twitter account. Here are a few tweets about UFO's

https://twitter.com/johnpodesta/status/832383936215015424

https://twitter.com/johnpodesta/status/834496726971121678

https://twitter.com/johnpodesta/status/684058053226983424

https://twitter.com/johnpodesta/status/648879593236103168

You can check news articles on it. Google "Podesta UFO." This dude really believes in aliens.

You can go through wikileaks and check out all of the Podesta emails. Search "alien," "UFO," or whatever else you think is relevant. There are a lot of them.

This one in particular looks pretty crazy, and was released by wikileaks on the same day as Pizzagate got started (Oct 30, 2016). https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/36957

It looks like Podesta forwarded this email. He wrote "FYI" and sent a forward to Leslie Kean with a bunch of UFO information on it. (Leslie Kean is an investigative journalist who writes about UFOs).

For clarity's sake, the top message is a reply from Kean to Podesta. Underneath that is Podesta's "FYI" forward to Kean. Below that is a message to Podesta from another person who divulged information about a UFO program. Kean received the entire email from Podesta.

Since it was written before Oct 30, you might say "Wouldn't the government already know about this email, so it shouldn't matter when it was released?" I'm not sure. Maybe the government gets so much data that they didn't notice it until then. I'm not even sure if there is a connection here, but I wanted to start the conversation off somewhere.

It seems more likely to me that the UFO stuff would be a distraction from the pedo stuff.

"You weren't molested – you were abducted by aliens! Case closed!"

Nah fam if anything the public would be more okay with knowing they listen to elected pedos instead of hearing there's other life out there & the gov knows.

All religion falls, petrodollar falls immediately, racism is last week's topic of discussion now that aliens are for sure real; pedos are easier to deal with on a large scale than finding out we aren't god's happy little creations that hold dominion over everything else.

a pretty large number of us already believe we arent gods little creations, atheism has been a thing for a long time.

Yet we still have people groveling at the feet of the pope, TD Jakes, etc. Plus there's the general notion that we are the ultimate example of evolution/creation which will be dismantled upon disclosure. It'll hurt/help the mass ego.

I think both are real. The US government, however, isn't in contact with aliens so they're almost as in the dark as we are, apart from what they hear from insiders of the MIC who work to back engineer downed alien craft and work on advanced tech for their own benefit.
The occult stuff is hard to explain, but the way I see it is as a science. It's essentially the real way the universe (as we know it) works, so they know all the tricks to manipulating reality (conscious intention, belief, manifestation etc) which is why they push so much of what's almost pseudoscience onto us. General relativity, for example. It's like we get the science that focuses on the effects, whereas they keep the science that focuses on the cause to themselves. I think it's also kept secret to hide that aliens are here, since their craft would run using related principles. Demons and things I think are can be both real in the "physical" sort of sense, and in just the metaphorical sense. It just depends on your perspective how you see them. (this is what I mean when I say it's hard to explain. They both are and aren't "real", depends on the conscious observer and interaction. Some quantum shit).
And I think a major reason we're fed so much disinfo is to direct mass consciousness away from that, because conscious thought literally changes reality. And if we all knew that, then they'd literally have no power over us. I'm gonna link some comments and/or posts in some edits in a bit that I think will help explain. So bear with me on that.

Check Podesta's Twitter account. Here are a few tweets about UFO's

I honestly don't care if Skippy is best friends with The President Of the Aliens. He messes with kids. He isn't being framed to cover up ET..he's just a damn pedo.

Aren't aliens demons which would enjoy pedo sick shit

I remember and I care too. I try and talk about it as often as is relevant. Or at least I address relevant aspects. And considering how much time I spend in this subreddit it's almost always relevant.

It's always relevant everywhere, but man it's tough to speak to the average person about crimes this heinous being perpetrated by people they always assumed were held to some kind of standard. It's the motherload of all red pills.

lol it's a fucking disgrace, there are no lines

Have there been any books about this?

Whoever writes a good one will be rich. Put me in the acknowledgments.

Bill Cooper - Mystery Babylon Series. You can read a pdf or there's a youtube playlist

What is inherently wrong with the occult?

Those who wish to use powers unbeknownst to the majority to rule as gods over said majority.

OK, speaking as a straight up sorcerer- no. Most occultists are trying in some way to get closer to God, achieve Nirvana, or are on some other sort of spiritual quest. The remainder mostly work on curing illnesses, finding well water, appeasing local spirits and things of that sort. If anyone says they are going to rule as gods, they are selling something, and that something is bullshit.

OK, speaking as a straight up sorcerer

You are already hurting your argument.

Some sorcerers have harnessed the power of lightning.

https://youtu.be/KZ04mfAY2BU

You clearly believe the shit is real, why can't our man here be a sorcerer?

I was just ball bustin cuz who announces themself as a fucking sorcerer bro?

I tell everyone at parties I'm a level 60 Mage.

I put on my robe and wizard hat

We're obviously talking more about dark occultists, those who wish to conceal knowledge for personal gain

speaking as a straight up sorcerer

Yikes. Not only are you bold enough to call yourself a sorcerer and expect to be taken seriously, you're a straight up sorcerer. Is that like when someone calls themselves straight up gangsta?

This sub doesn't believe steel loses strength at high temperatures, but it does believe in magic?

If their isn't anything inherently wrong with their occultism, then why does it have to be secretive?

Most occult traditions include secrecy for a few reasons: 1) People freak out about it. They pass laws against it, set you on fire, that kind of thing. Totally rubbish, but there you have it.
2) Many ancient religions had mysteries- you couldn't know the important stuff unless you were initiated. This includes Greece, Egypt, Rome, and the Middle East (including Judaism). The occult traditions of today mostly derive from those religions. Even hunter gatherer groups with shamans tend to restrict the training to the shaman. This is generally because you don't want to have any ol' jackass talking to the gods or spirits because offending them was considered a huge mistake. 3) Its a method of safeguarding/gatekeeping knowledge to prevent idiots from harming themselves or others with the information. There's always somebody who wants to summon a demon of the pit to help them find their car keys, or know how to cast a love spell... 4) Honestly, it just feels cool to a lot of people to be keepers of special knowledge that not everybody has access to, members of a special club.

If it was aligned with good and the light, it would be called spirituality?

yeah

Spirit Cooking was clearly specifically Black Magic though. From what was shown we clearly know that they are practicing a form a medicinal cannibalism of the elites.

These people are mostly jesus freaks so occult = scary.

These people are mostly jesus freaks so occult = scary.

Who the fuck are "these people"?

If you're referring to frequenters of /r/conspiracy, you've just put your ignorance on display. Most people whom are aware of conspiracies are also aware that religion is nothing but a control system.

Conflating religious nuts with conspiracy theorists is an old tactic, but it's just that...

WikiLeaks may be Russian propaganda

Whenever people post about how frustrated they are with how obvious the agenda is and how corrupt TPTB are and yadda yadda, I always reference one of the later seasons of The X-Files. Mulder finally has the whole picture by season 7 or so and he writes a book capturing every detail. He goes on talk shows and and book tours; and everyone laughs at him. They call him "Spooky" just like at the FBI and play him off as we do Alex Jones. Then the show goes off the rails and turns to shit, but I still like that Mulder just gives up and goes to live in a shack with a Unabomber beard and newspaper clippings all over the wall. Why bother?

You can lead a mouth-breathing jackass to water but you can't make them drink. If people find the truth inconvenient, they'll happily ignore it to accommodate they're lack of depth. TPTB have done a wonderful job of breeding a world full of anti-intellectual thugs who all think they deserve to be famous. Human trash you were never going to save anyway. Hopefully this community survives the grid going down and society's ultimate collapse, but I could give a shit less about the Sodomites dancing around Katy Perry's golden calf. They deserve whatever the Soros agenda has in store for them. I hope they're enslaved like the Pharaohs by whatever benefactor steps in. But, you know, wooo! YOLO! Being a generally bad person is mostly nonpunishable! Party!

The US State Department put out the "Moloch Sacrifice" email...not Wikileaks or Russia;

http://archive.is/sFC1y

With fingers crossed, the old rabbit's foot out of the box in the attic, I will be sacrificing a chicken in the backyard to Moloch . . .

Wait, this joke is what's got your rosary in a twist?

So you joke about gods of Child Sacrifice too?

uh, no.

but only since they published the DNC leaks and Podesta hack. before that, when they were a thorn in the Bush admin and releasing material on war crimes, then they were clearly a positive force for democracy and the greater good.

I enjoy Russian propagandha personally. It's a refreshing change of pace.

Nice MSN talking point there.

Any mention of "Russian propaganda" is almost certainly American propaganda.

Thanks, though.

I realized today, researching the etymology of Podesta...

It's an anagram of Despota.

Aleftantis= ifant sale. Close but no cigar.

Anagram of pnutmaster = Trump asent

thanks for putting it together

Oh we care but she didn't win so what harm could she do now? Aside from murdering everyone who crosses her

Follow this rabbit hole all the way and you will find God.

this is true. if you go to the end of the rabbit hole you will find a battle between two kingdoms, a literal Satan and a literal God.

hint, God wins at the end with a decisive victory

Amen brother! I'm glad I took the trip down searching for "truth." I highly recommend this trip along side a KJV Bible and compare it to what you have been taught by the sick Satanic elite that control our education and history.

(I agree and not trying to be nitpicky, but...KJV was written for King James, a freemason. I would recommend instead Douey Rheims or NASB with all books intact. Good post tho in the main and it is remarkable to see prophecy play out in real time in history.) :)

This is true but God has worked through Kings all through the Bible. William Tyndale prayed that the King's Eyes would be opened as he was burning at the stake (being burned by the Catholics). The Jesuits are major players with all the Satanic stuff going on in the world. That's why so much pedophilia and abuse comes out of that church.

Ecc 8:4  Where the word of a king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What doest thou?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGcJii2MaTI

God has worked through Kings all through the Bible

Yes. He also worked through queens; both.

Queen Esther. Queen Bathsheba (Solomon's mother). Queen Jecoliah (Jeroboams' mother). It's a both-and kind of deal.

If you can articulate why the KJV bible is a superior version to others I would love to hear you try.

It really has to be studied out but here is an example of comparing the KJV to the NKJV which most people think is an innocent update. The NIV is the worst because that book will allow it's readers to think the Antichrist is actually Jesus Christ's 2nd coming. The spiritual deception goes just as deep as the worldly deception:

http://av1611.org/nkjv.html

this guy was one of the greatest Bible teachers of all time. If you got a few hours this should convince you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGcJii2MaTI

Bingo.

A literal Satan? I thought the occultists were trying to fulfill prophecy and get the messiah to show up by turning the world evil.

interesting, i've thought this too

Here are some of the players in the battle: https://thewildvoice.org/

*according to his supporters

Or you just find a bunch of sick fucks.

This has been my journey. I figured if the powers that be are worshipping Satan...and the bible says Earth is his kingdom...then maybe God is real? But then again I thought religions were created as part of the divide/conquer strategy? Are they just pretending to worship Satan? Was the KJV written by masons? My search for answers only leaves me with more questions.

If you go diving into religion to look for answers you will find them, but they will either be answers given to you by the powerful religion or they will be answers you came to yourself, with all of the self assurance and bias that comes with.

What's really important is knowing that there is bias in all information, and that you can only truly begin to be objective when you take this bias into account for all things

I can't recommend enough you check out the following: - Quantum Christianity by Aaron Davis - The Unseen Realm by Michael Heiser - Cold Case Christianity by J. Warner Wallace - Quantum Glory by Phil Mason

Excellent, scientifically based, illuminating, and extremely interesting reads that I think will answer quite a bit

Religion is not the only road to God. Think of them as essentially true but greatly manipulated by the powers that be for social control. You can never take away a humans natural conenction to the Spirit, but they CAN limit and control how we learn about god

Truer words haven't been spoken in this sub for a long time.

Belief in the occult is really idiotic.

So idiotic that all of the most powerful people in the world practice it.

Including those who run for the Senate

That's what I'm saying. What do they know, or think they know that convinces them it's not all bs.

Maybe it's just a good way to get everyone invested and aligned in the same goals. Seeing as they're engaged in nefarious activities in their daily lives, it makes sense to worship a more taboo pagan deity behind the scenes. It wouldn't make sense for them to worship a god who's all about being nice to one another.

Either that or they know secret information we don't know.

THIS!!!!

Well, define "idiotic". If the power is 100% real and they can get anything in the world they want through it and it takes a genius to understand the complexities of what they do, BUT ..it makes them scum sucking monsters vampirising the rest of humanity...it may still be described as "idiotic".

For a bunch of "skeptics" y'all easily buy into these sort of fantasies. There's no such thing as magic, mate. The tooth fairy isn't real either, by the way.

It's time to unplug from the matrix, brother.

I'm a scientist. The only things true are observable, testable, and reproducible. What I do every day would have been considered occult not too long ago.

The only things true are observable

Tell me more about the observations of Brown Dwarf stars. I'll wait.

Hey, Im a scientist too! We're all scientists!

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/nasa-space-telescopes-pinpoint-elusive-brown-dwarf

This isn't even my faculty. You mustn't be a very good one.

Do you think science can explain all phenomena? How was consciousness created?

Sufficient complexity of neural interactions? We have the most advanced brains of any animal on the earth. You might find bioanthropology very interesting, by the way. The ability to craft tools and ultimately cook foods would have allowed us to consume far more calories from foods than any other animal could have - opening the path to selection for further brain development. Honestly, you're not even picking the hardest puzzle right there.

The brain's complexity is mathematically constructed. There's an interesting field called topology which when used to model connections between neurons over time reveals the changing structure of thought. The brain seems to work like a biological processor, sorting and retrieving information while responding to stimuli. We don't know yet how these physical reactions produce the sensation of consciousness, but you can't claim it to be a mystery with no answer in sight. Scientists love to study the brain, it is the most complex organic thing we know about aside from dna, and we've already sequenced and modified that.

Understanding consciousness will be key to the creation of artificial intelligence, but we may have to wait for quantum computers first since binary code is not a good method for simulating organic thought, based on what we know about how neurons behave.

https://youtu.be/M0M3srBoTkY

What makes you so sure of everything? There's so many things that humans aren't even close to understanding, yet people like to delude themselves into thinking they are so sure about everything. I guess whatever makes you feel safe in your little world. Wouldn't want to shatter that carefully crafted worldview now, would we.

We don't even know what came before the big bang. We don't know why the universe operates the way it does. We don't know why or what consciousness it. There's so many metaphysical things that can't be explained. I could on and on about things that are so far out there they aren't going to be understood for a very long time.

What I do every day would have been considered occult not too long ago.

Someone hundreds or thousands of years from now is going to be saying the exact same thing you are saying, only it's about the things you have been dismissing because of your ignorance. Stop being so sure of everything, you're not doing yourself any favors.

Good question. There is still a lot of mystery out there in the world - the universe. I absolutely cannot claim that we are even a fraction of the way to unlocking all the answers. But I'd like to ask you if you think it's any coincidence that the more we understand about the natural word through science, the less we attribute to magic, superstition, or god.

We definitely don't know what came before the big bang. We will likely never know. The way I approach these sorts of questions is pretty simple though. If there is no evidence for something, I will automatically be skeptical of it. On the origin of the universe, some say that God necessarily created it. However, that's tautological reasoning - it only moves the goal-post one step further and doesn't really answer the basic question about the origin of the universe.

Someone hundreds or thousands of years from now is going to be saying the exact same thing you are saying, only it's about the things you have been dismissing because of your ignorance. Stop being so sure of everything, you're not doing yourself any favors.

The world gets less and less magical the more we understand about it. I'm just sort of extrapolating to where we're going to end up in the end.

Is it not possible we're limited to our understanding of the mysteries because of how we approach trying understanding things? You said belief in the superstitious diminished as our understanding of science grows, but is there a chance trying to objectively measure things with our understanding of science has limited our understanding of things that can't be observed with our current science? So by virtue of that, a lot of mysterious things are dismissed simply because we're incapable of objectively entertaining the possibility of it?

I hope you understand what I'm trying to get at there.

Is it not possible we're limited to our understanding of the mysteries because of how we approach trying understanding things?

I'd say almost certainly. To that end though, just because someone cannot currently be answered by science does not mean that it is necessarily answered by something else. In general, the absence of evidence is not proof that anything exists - just because science might not currently have an explanation for something does not mean that mysticism is by default the correct answer.

Superstition is waning because science has offered definitive answers to timeless questions. I do get what approach you're getting from but I think my default stance for questions we do not now or may never know the answers to is agnosticism, not theism.

I love how for tens of thousands of years humans universally believed the opposite of what you said, only in the past 150-100 years have humans in general stopped believing in it.

Is that supposed to be evidence against what I've said? I love how for tens of thousands of years, humans haven't been able to genetically engineer organisms, only in the past 15-20 years have humans been able to do that.

Do you also believe the earth is flat?

Nope. Are you too stupid to actually make an argument or can we be done?

You believe in magic and demons. I don't need to make an argument, the burden of proof is on you to prove that the impossible exists.

So go ahead, prove that demons are real.

I love how for almost 190,000 out of the 200,000 years humans have existed they didnt know how to farm or create civilizations. It's only in the past 12,000 years that humans have done that.

its almost like our level of scientific understanding directly correlates with not believing in absurd bullshit. strange how that works.

Belief in the occult is really idiotic.

• Someone who likely knows nothing about it.

I know that everything happens in a scientific manner with nothing occuring by magic.

I know that everything happens in a scientific manner with nothing occuring by magic.

So nothing? Educate yourself before making idiotic blanket statements.

Are you serious? Look around you, at that phone you're looking at these posts, out the window at those street lights. Everything has a scientific explanation. There's no magic in the world. Is it any coincidence that as our understanding of the world increases, less and less is attributed to magic.

This just shows how ridiculously arrogant you are. I never made one mention of magick or the practice of it. You realize that there's much more to occult teachings than magick, right? It's not all witchcraft and spellbooks. A lot of teachings set a foundation for how to live and love those around you. Not very different from any other religion.

Before you go, but muh magicks again. Actually read a book or two before you dilute perfectly reasonable lifestyles to just crazies doing that weird magick shit. You might learn something new. Maybe even something you find interesting.

I feel like the fact that you spell magic with a k at the end sort of gives me an idea of what to expect from you. The idea that the elite need the occult for validation, worship, or anything else is really funny to me. They have wealth and influence, that's all you need. I might be arrogant, but you have no evidence.

I feel like the fact that you spell magic with a k at the end sort of gives me an idea of what to expect from you. The idea that the elite need the occult for validation, worship, or anything else is really funny to me. They have wealth and influence, that's all you need. I might be arrogant, but you have no evidence.

That's just how the word is spelled I'm occult circles to differentiate from the show magicians. My phone even autocorrects it at this point.

I have no need for evidence. I never mentioned magick in my posts. That's just what you jumped on because just like my first comment said. You don't know shit about the occult. But you don't even acknowledge that simple fact without going on your atheistic rants. So why even waste my time on someone who quite blatantly refuses to do their own research for themselves?

I have no need for evidence.

Every claim needs evidence. What you call atheistic rants are honestly just calls for evidence, which you seem to think you don't need. Tell me, if something has no basis or evidence, why would you ever believe it?

Every claim needs evidence. What you call atheistic rants are honestly just calls for evidence, which you seem to think you don't need. Tell me, if something has no basis or evidence, why would you ever believe it?

Prove where I said I believed in the existence of magick. And no it's not a call for evidence. It's observing the fact that magick is the only thing you jump to without making a shred of effort to actually look at what's behind different teachings. That's the point I've been making this entire conversation, yet you refuse to even try and recognize that.

Stop putting words in my mouth. If you want to discuss my personal beliefs, than I'll gladly tell you what you want to know. But you blatantly ignoring the point of my comments is getting old.

Prove where I said I believed in the existence of magick.

Do you believe magic exists?

Waning. Shit's long, dude. Didn't realize till I finisned.

Do you believe magic exists?

No. However I do attribute the things we don't scientifically understand to a higher power. Even with my beliefs I do accept any proof showing I'm incorrect. Humans are fallible and won't learn unless we accept our faults and wrongdoings. If I'm proven absolutely there is no God in any form, than I will change my tune and proudly admit I'm wrong.

What is the purpose of studying/following the occult to you?

To learn things that some people are just afraid to learn themselves. Yeah, there are a lot of nutty people when it comes to the occult. But a lot of the modern misconceptions are just false. Which is what really got me started with my path a few years ago. If I'm wrong about this or that, what else am I wrong about? You know what I'm saying? But bow that I've found my place, I continue to learn and study all forms of religion or practice because it gives me a greater understanding of humanity and that living a life of love, regardless of differences, is what will make the world a beautiful place again.

Do you feel that following the occult, does anything?

My best answer is yes and no. Most people just don't follow the "occult." There are many, many different religions and practices. I personally follow Thelema. But learning about other religions, cultures, and lifestyles opens the eye to the fact that nobody is all that different. We're all living life to our own understanding and making what we can of it. So I use what I've to love everyone as my own regardless of who they are. In the grand scheme, people like me aren't changing the world. But the obvious first step of that is to positively shape those around you.

To the title of the post, why do you believe that the elite practice the occult, if they do?

People follow what's called The left hand path, or the right hand path. The elite follow left hand path. Which is more focused on evil intent to gain control and manipulate those around you. The more powerful and influential you become, the more likely it is to control as many people as possible for your own gain. Cue Bohemian Grove. You can still be skeptical, but do you see where pieces can falk together here? Whether or not magick exists, the people involved are still getting more and more powerful. Which would make anyone believe what they're doing works.

Hopefully I answered everything clearly enough. I've had a few drinks, so it might be fucky. Obligatory apology for length.

Ahh okay, I think I understand your point of view a little better now. I personally do not believe in a higher power, and so that's obviously coloring my opinion of what I believe the scope of science is. I think there is really only concrete evidence to justify agnosticism because of the nature of how we traditionally define god's power or influence and our ability to percieve it all.

To learn things that some people are just afraid to learn themselves. Yeah, there are a lot of nutty people when it comes to the occult. But a lot of the modern misconceptions are just false. Which is what really got me started with my path a few years ago. If I'm wrong about this or that, what else am I wrong about? You know what I'm saying? But now that I've found my place, I continue to learn and study all forms of religion or practice because it gives me a greater understanding of humanity and that living a life of love, regardless of differences, is what will make the world a beautiful place again.

Interesting perspective - it sounds like it's been very enriching for you!

The elite follow left hand path. Which is more focused on evil intent to gain control and manipulate those around you.

Do you feel that the left hand path is necessarily evil or that the elite are also necessarily malicious in their intent? Do you feel that there are also elite who follow the right hand path - if so, who? I think we probably agree on their motivation overall, but have different ideas on what's driving it and how they are accomplishing it. Also, no need to apologize, it's been informative.

Ahh okay, I think I understand your point of view a little better now. I personally do not believe in a higher power, and so that's obviously coloring my opinion of what I believe the scope of science is. I think there is really only concrete evidence to justify agnosticism because of the nature of how we traditionally define god's power or influence and our ability to percieve it all.

Very well put.

Interesting perspective - it sounds like it's been very enriching for you!

It has! I've met many amazing people who've done and seen so much! I actually made a post in the occult sub about a weird experience I had recently if you check my post history.

Do you feel that the left hand path is necessarily evil or that the elite are also necessarily malicious in their intent? Do you feel that there are also elite who follow the right hand path - if so, who? I think we probably agree on their motivation overall, but have different ideas on what's driving it and how they are accomplishing it. Also, no need to apologize, it's been informative.

I don't believe any form of practice is necessarily malicious. It's the people who use their knowledge for evil intent that are the problem. However when it comes to the darker aspects of the occult, there are some tradeoffs.

For a loose example those who believe in summoning demons. Demons have existed much longer than humans have. That knowledge can be used to either sway a proposition in their favor. So hypothetically the upper echelons of government were to summon a demon or whatever. Yeah, it gives them what they want, but only on the demons terms.

As to people in government on the right hand path? I don't know. Even if I did, I'd be of the belief that they are much more likely to be corrupted than someone like me. Power corrupts, but absolute power corrupts absolutely. You either play ball or go home. I feel like there's really no saving the power structure in America. But that just goes back to changing those around you. We can all grow out of a system of corruption and hate together.

Please educate us by listing one single example that does not happen in a scientific manner but by 'magic' instead.

I never claimed the existence of magick. Just that occult practices are much less idiotic than people think. They just refuse to actually do the research themselves.

If you want to talk about my personal beliefs and practices. That's a discussion I'm happy to have. But guys putting words in my mouth is getting ridiculous in this thread.

I know that everything happens in a scientific manner with nothing occuring by magic.

So nothing? Educate yourself before making idiotic blanket statements.

This to me seems like you claimed that not everything happens in a scientific manner. I was asking for an example to better understand you.

guys putting words in my mouth is getting ridiculous in this thread.

I do not feel that i put words in your mouth. If my conclusion that everything NOT happening in a scientific manner must be magic is not what you meant, I apologize.

I would like to know then what you meant by your comment.

I would like to know then what you meant by your comment.

That occult practices and beliefs aren't necessarily as crazy as people would think. It was simply a lack of learning himself and making blanket statements. I made a longer comment to the other guy if you want a wall of text explanation.

Do I have to be an expert on Star Wars to know that it's not real?

A lot of practices are basically any other religion. So yeah. If that's what floats your boat, then go for it.

WikiLeaks: Podesta invited to ‘Spirit’ dinner; host’s known ‘recipes’ demand breast milk, sperm http://archive.is/2doXV

09/12/1994: Essay; Clinton's Voodoo Intervention http://archive.is/hePUq

So I read your first link, which turned out to be John Podesta attending a well-known artist's weird art exhibition called a "spirit dinner".

I read your second link, which is just an opinion piece on how Bill Clinton should intervene in Haiti to counter their military regime. I assume you just say "Clinton" and "Voodoo" in the title, didn't read the article and assumed Clinton was poking dolls with needles or something.

What do these have to do with the occult? Why should I even give the rest of your links the time of day if the first two you use are just straight up lies?

You ever look at that well known artist's "exhibition" known as spirit cooking? That bitch is a straight satanic worshiping freak. Just because you call something art doesn't take away the fake that they're doing weird mock sacrifices. It ties back to the same type of dark rituals performed at bohemian grove and skull & bones (which I included in a video from ABC below..back when they would cover more stuff)

Spirit cooking: https://youtu.be/qfL5KwUuvMc

Skull and bones..such cool art! https://youtu.be/ExmO8UgQL4E

If I asked you to dress up in weird outfits and go chill in the middle of the woods and do mock sacrifices with me you would think I was fucking insane. But the elite do it at Bohemian grove and it's just viewed as "their little thing they do for some odd fun!"

If I asked you to dress up in weird outfits and go chill in the middle of the woods and do mock sacrifices with me you would think I was fucking insane.

I do think it's insane, I think a lot of this lame performance art is insane.

But that doesn't mean it's anything other than that.

Who exactly are they performing the "performance art" for in the second ABC video of skull & bones? One of the most secret societies in America was doing a private ritual that they never let anyone see.

Bohemiam Grove also tries to keep it's mock sacrifices completely secret.

https://youtu.be/5UM3KbmfoG4

All Skull and Bones members graduate and go on to attend Bohemiam Grove ceremonies. So I guess these people just perform dark "art" for a few decades of their lives...but it can't be anything other than just weird art...

...but it can't be anything other than just weird art

Oh, he is not saying it can't be. He was just saying:

that doesn't mean it's anything other than that.

.. which is correct.

The burden of proof is on the guy saying she is involved in anything more.

Well at that point he was responding to my part about bohemian grove which is what he quoted. In that regards I'd say there is more than enough evidence.

If I have a bunch of secretely recorded videos of someone performing cult rituals and they are in fact in secrety cults (bohemian grove and skull & bones) then it's pretty safe to say they are doing more than art. I'm not sure what additional evidence you need other than a bunch of 70 year old white dudes wearing robes at 4am while praying to an owl God and doing a mock human sacrifice while chanting some weird shit.

In regards to Clinton..I don't really go around pushing the occult narrative thing but if you listen to this famous artist who does spirit cooking she says something like "the art that is out in public is part of the performance but when I do it in private with people it's an intimate experience" According to Podesta's e-mails he was doing this spirit cooking shit in private. Take it for what it's worth.

I'm not sure what additional evidence you need other than a bunch of 70 year old white dudes wearing robes at 4am while praying to an owl God and doing a mock human sacrifice while chanting some weird shit.

I have not looked into that yet so i'm not gonna judge. But I believe that there are 'fraternitys' like skulls & bones which will lead to behavior that might be seen as a conspiracy. However, I believe that those are just really there for tradition and having a connection when they meet in business and politics later. To give jobs to each other, to make money together and so on. Not to kill children in occult rituals and have an international child trafficking ring.

According to Podesta's e-mails he was doing this spirit cooking shit in private.

Of course they do, why would you make it in public. You know how many weird private art performances there are every week in New York? Of course the amount of participants will be limited, therefore private.

This will increase the interest and make those stupid events really really special in the hipster art scene. Marina knows that she can make a shitton of money that way. People like Podesta are super rich and already have everything. They need some weird shit to get excited.

Couldn't this also be an explanation ?

I know that quote of hers, and what she said was closer to (and I'm still paraphrasing, no time to find the quote) "when done in public, in front of many people, my shows are art, but when done in private, like a home with just a few people, it is something else."

Yeah that was closer thanks

What's wrong with satanic worship? Freedom of religion in the us

It's weird that conspiracy theorists seem to run very conservative in regards to religion.

Not really. If you can believe that bullshit then lizard people isn't much of a stretch.

Got it, art isn't art unless you approve of it, and one person's fun is another person's reason to be criticized and have false accusations against them. And this is proof that the Clinton's and Podesta are occultists. Check it out, you wanna call Clinton a fucking out of touch idiot who plays the blame game and can't grasp why she lost, ridiculous, fine, that's all true. But when you guys start talking about satanism and other pseudo religious bullshit, all I can say is, sharia much? People are free to say and produce whatever art or rituals they want in this country. Prove to me that someone's getting hurt or worse. Have some actual proof of a crime, not just evidence that people do stuff that you don't like and therefore they must be satanist demons.

So...dressing in robes and praying to an owl god in the middle of the night while performing a mock sacrifice while being surrounded by literally the most powerful men on earth is not suspicious. It must be me being closed minded and not approving of their art..got it.

Have you seen how crazy some people can be? What stupid shit people follow? Why should she be an exception and MUST be involved in pizzagate as an explanation to her madness?

The burden of proof is on you to prove that there is more to it. Not understanding it yourself and finding it insane is not good enough. I too find it insane. However I find it more insane what you are insinuating.

You find it insane what I'm insinuating except for the fact that you just made up that I said anything about pizzagate.

I provided videos of secret rituals(skull and bones) that were never meant to be released to the public. But we can act like I provided nothing of importance.

Sorry, I thought we are partly referencing pizzagate. It was somewhere else in this thread. For me, they can do their weird stuff as long as they want as long as they don't hurt anybody.

Pretty much all fraternitys and secret circles are pretty weird to me. I just don't understand what they are threatening us with. Secret relationships/societies exist everywhere. Same goes for weird stupid hobbys.

Would love to see Clinton getting exposed and in jail but I don't see what the crimes are we could get her for other than being a weird bitch no one likes.

which turned out to be John Podesta attending a well-known artist's weird art exhibition called a "spirit dinner".

Knock off your bullshit. You either have no idea what you are talking about, what spirit cooking is, or you are trying to influence the casual reader with this dismissive garbage. You can't just attach the label of "art" to this shit and dismiss it that way. Luciferianism, Moloch and Minerva worship, spirit cooking and talking to dead Elanor Roosevelt in White House seances isn't art to you, me or anyone else. That's the cover story used. That's how they get people to rationalize this fucked up shit.

Not true. Marina Abramovic has many fans all over the world and is very well respected in the art scene. Whether you and other people think it's not art does not matter.

Of course she is pretty crazy, but I can show you many other artists like that. Seeing some weird highlight videos of her should not confuse you too much. I bet you have never seen and really tried to understand what she is trying to do. (Me neither, by the way and I think she is really out there in many ways).

You are saying:

You can't just attach the label of "art" to this shit and dismiss it that way.

Oh he can, at least for now. She always presented herself as an artist and did work in ways that many people consider art. The burden of proof is on you to prove that there is more to it. Not understanding it yourself and finding it 'shit' is not good enough.

Have you seen how crazy some people can be? What stupid shit people follow? Why should she be an exception and MUST be involved in pizzagate as an explanation to her madness?

Marina Abramovic has many fans all over the world and is very well respected in the art scene.

Oh, did you read that on Slate or the Huff Post? Stop regurgitating and think for yourself. Nobody respects that witch outside of Jay Z. Tabloid garbage.

I saw a documentary on HBO about her years ago, so I'm going to go ahead and assume she's had somewhat of a following in the art community for a while before she got attached to politicized character assassination gate.

I watched it back then and when her name started popping up in reference to a bunch of weird stuff I wasn't surprised at all. She's a performance artist and from what I gathered from the documentary her art pretty much focuses on the extremes humans will go to when the art encourages it. It's actually an interesting watch, I'm not much of an art guy but I enjoyed it, I'd recommend giving it a watch.

She's strange and so is her art, but that's pretty common place as far as art goes. Isn't art supposed to hold a mirror up to society?

I saw a documentary on HBO about her years ago, so I'm going to go ahead and assume she's had somewhat of a following in the art community

Have you been reading the threads in here over the last few years? Hollywood IS CIA. I watched it. Gun to the head stuff, how edgy! It's so artsy it coralled limousine liberals for photo ops of them pretending to eat the innards of people sacrificed during spirit cooking sessions. Lady Gaga... Jay-Z

How is it that all these highfalutin celebs (MKULTRA CIA drones) are all down with the "artsy" practice of Satanic human sacrifice? C'mon, man, 2+2.

I mean if you want to go there Christianity had a hard gime catching on in its early days because people considered communion to be a cannibalistic act, seeing as the bread and wine supposedly becomes the body and blood of Christ. How is it that all these highfalutin evangelicals are all down with the "religious" practice of cannibalizing the son of their god?

You can't just attach the label of "art" to this shit and dismiss it that way.

Yes you can, because it's NOT REAL. Magic, demons, ghosts, gods, devils, whatever other supernatural shit you believe in is NOT REAL. It's fantasy.

I know this is r/conspiracy, but there is a massive difference between government cover ups and the existence of literal magic and demons. If you care about the truth so much, maybe focus on things that aren't physically impossible.

It doesn't matter if you or I believe in it. It matters if the people ruling the world do, and it seems like they do.

"Haha, that devil worshiping stuff is so artsy! P.S. Fuck Christians! Can't believe they believe in that shit! #Santa #Easter Bunny #Spaghetti monster!

But those people who believe in Satan and worship him are so edgy!"

Classico

Believing in the occult is stupid. Believe in the devil is stupid. Believing in god is stupid. If you're trying to convince me that the leaders of the world are stupid, you're already preaching to the choir.

It's only concerning to the same extent that our leaders being religious and believing in god is concerning. I'm not really comfortable with the leaders of the world having imaginary friends, but one brand of fantasy isn't any scarier than another brand of fantasy, unless you're delusional enough to actually believe this shit is real.

because it's NOT REAL. Magic, demons, ghosts, gods, devils, whatever other supernatural shit you believe in is NOT REAL. It's fantasy.

THEY believe in it...

James Alefantis Produced a short film called "Chapel Perilous" that was inspired by an Alien/Archon/Demon that visited the Director

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6uxkde/james_alefantis_produced_a_short_film_called/

Your inability to understand something doesn't automatically render it fantasy.

It's just fantasy to you because you don't understand the mechanics.

I argue that they are real and that you're a fool.

Are you aware of what people see when they drink Ayahuasca?

What most people see under DMT?

Could it be that DMT and tryptamines like Psilocybin allow the brain to act as a receptor?

Dr. Strassman argued this with his DMT: The Spirit Molecule.

You can overlook what you see during DMT trips, as you would your own dreams, but you'd be foolish to say they were random firings of neurons.

Here's a prophecy from the Egyptians.

Ankh and Nun are like Soma and Aban, okay?

This earth will return to the primeval water, to endless flood as in its first state. I shall remain with Osiris after I have transformed myself into another snake which men do not know and the Gods do not see.

Leaving aside your definition of art, nowhere in that link does it say that Podesta attended. There's literally just an email forward inviting him.

Are you a Christian?

I am a fan of the Christian ideology. Love. I have no idea the scope of the metaphysical world or what it entails but I believe it exists. I know your comment is a set up so you can cherry pick Biblical verses to exude bigotry toward Christians but I'm not going to play that game. (OMG, the crusades!)

If you're a Buddhist who is peaceful and is pushing karma to promote goodness, I'm down. If you worship Moloch, the God of child sacrifice, we're going to have problems. Not all religions are equal.

What a startlingly paranoid response.

All religions are equal, they're weapons of control.

You accuse me of cherry picking, whilst cherry picking from the political ideology religion you claim to follow. You're literally fighting shadows on the wall. Change your mind and liberate yourself from the infantile nonsense that's holding the whole of humanity back.

It's kind of a Gish Gallop. It looks impressive in great numbers, looks like someone's done the research and come up with a vast body of evidence. Inevitably, though, as with Pizzagate-related stuff, the individual pieces of evidence are quite weak and inconclusive or, as you've noted, straight up unrelated bullshit - and rely on credulousness and pre-existing bias against the people concerned.

If you point this stuff out, you'll often be answered with a fair amount of anger, because people are deeply emotionally invested in it. Then come the sly little indirect shill accusations elsewhere in the thread to avoid Rule 10 ("the shills have arrived", "they're here now"). Repeat ad nauseum...

It's kind of a Gish Gallop. It looks impressive in great numbers, looks like someone's done the research and compiled a significant body of evidence. Inevitably, though, as with Pizzagate-related stuff, the individual pieces of evidence are quite weak and inconclusive or, as you've noted, straight up unrelated bullshit - and rely on credulousness and pre-existing bias against the people concerned. If you point this stuff out, you'll often be answered with a fair amount of anger, because people are deeply emotionally invested in it. Then come the sly little indirect shill accusations elsewhere in the thread to avoid Rule 10 ("the shills have arrived", "they're here now"). Repeat ad nauseum...

THANK YOU. I see this bullshit ALL THE TIME on this subreddit and I'm never quite eloquent enough to call it out properly.

Well, I was actually hesitant to write what I wrote, because I perceive that part of this sub's character (perhaps even charm, or strength) is to think outside of the black-and-white and to look at disparate, sometimes esoteric, elements with genuine curiosity and try to bring things together in creative ways.

I don't want to destroy that part of the sub's character, nor discourage it, but there are some very cynical people (not saying OP necessarily) who take advantage of it to push blatant political agendas, and seek to set the bar very low indeed in terms of evidence to demonize their ideological foes.

And yes, I consider Pizzagate to have originated in such a way. So, although I work in child protection services myself, I'm very leery of anything with a (now) Pedogate label attached to it, even though I'm sure there's heaps of people involved who are genuinely concerned about kids.

Sorry if that went too far off track.

Impressive gas lighting.

I work in child protection services myself

Scary...and you dont know about...

The McMartin Preschool Cover Up

https://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/articles/mcmartin-preschool-case-what-really-happened-and-the-coverup/

The Franklin Scandal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_child_prostitution_ring_allegations

The Finders Cult

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/ciadrugsabusemurder.shtml

The Presidio Army Station

http://archive.is/oKXvP

The Hampstead Coverup

https://crimesofempire.com/2015/03/11/hampstead-leaked-medical-reports-end-all-doubt-about-sexual-abuse-claims/

Pizzagate - A Primer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBJVd0wqly0

You don't know what gaslighting means, and you don't don't know of what I am and am not aware.

Hey look, a Gish Gallop in a thread about Gish Gallop.

Oh look a sleeper account.

I've had this account for at least a year or more, I just don't usually post.

After a year of not posting you sure seem motivated to only post negative shit in /r/conspiracy

Very suspicious when someone doesn't spend their days an nights posting on Reddit. I only post when something pisses me off enough to take the time. And I have more than one account so you loonies that look through post history can't figure anything out and think I'm some kind of liberal-controlled bot. That makes for good entertainment when I come back from a busy season at work.

This is a list of facts, not arguments. Calling gish gallop is a lazy method to try to stop people clicking on the links because "they are not worth it". If you disagree with some facts, say which ones.

It's not a list of facts. It's a list of random shit that OP has presented implying that it somehow demonstrates Clinton's/Podesta's occultism. Perhaps you could show me how this, for example, supports said purpose. Also I said it was "kind of" a Gish Gallop.

There's no way in hell I'm going through each one to refute or challenge them when they are so clearly irrelevant and off-kilter, but you insist I must. And guess what? That's the whole point and purpose of a Gish Gallop!

Podesta used to have a picture of a pig on a spit as his screen saver, but his staffers made him get rid of it, because he said: “They couldn’t stand looking into the pig’s eyes during meetings

Weird. As. Fuck.

The guy is way into cooking. It's mildly weird at most. Hell, maybe it was a photo of a spit that he put on for a special occasion. Who knows? One thing's for sure: it doesn't demonstrate that he is a practitioner of the black arts.

One thing's for sure: it doesn't demonstrate that he is a practitioner of the black arts.

Thelema is as close to the Black Arts as you can get...do you send or receive emails about "Thelema" to your friends?

"Thelema" - a Favor- John Podesta Emails

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/39459

'Cult' fights claims of child sacrifice

AN ANTI-CHILD-SEX campaigner accused an occult religious group of hosting parties at which naked children acted as waiters and at which members had sex with and murdered children, a tribunal was told yesterday.

The obscure group Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO) claims Dr Reina Michaelson and the Child Sexual Abuse Prevention Program described it in a website article as a satanic cult that sacrificed children and ate their organs and blood.

OTO members follow a religion known as Thelema, founded by occultist Aleister Crowley.

In college we all had alter egos that came out when we drank different kinds of alcohol. We gave them names as well related to the ridiculous antics that came about.

I have to say, Sparks was the worst drink, and his alter ego was quite sinister.

Also, isn't it a little misleading when you put quotes around "evil" but that word is nowhere to be found in the article?

Also, isn't it a little misleading when you put quotes around "evil" but that word is nowhere to be found in the article?

No, I read it. I saw the reference to Skippy. He openly talks about Skippy, apparently. So what? What are the implications?

This is a list of facts

Immediately after two "facts" are trivially dismantled that's a great time to make this claim.

The second link (voodoo essay) should be removed. Apart form the title it has nothing to do with the occult.

One fact.

Spirit cooking is most certainly occult.

I agree that the voodoo one should be removed.

So I read your first link, which turned out to be John Podesta attending a well-known artist's weird art exhibition called a "spirit dinner".

Actually, John didn't go to it. And his brother was the one that was invited. (Notice how it says "Tony" in the subheadline?)

Oh, and Tony didn't go to it either.

You're a liar spewing the same shit the shills spewed when this first came out. ABRAMOVICH HERSELF SAID IN A REDDIT AMA IF THE SPIRIT COOKING IS IN A PRIVATE RESIDENCE IT IS AN OCCULT RITUAL.

Fuck you, disinformation troll.

Thank you, this thread is full of that shit.

Removed. Rule 10.

Oh good! We've found the brigade thread! Let's pile in and influence that public opinion!

I care.

Why the fuck did NOT ONE MEDIA OUTLET attempt to even question Hillary about "sacrificing a chicken to moloch tonight...".

She said she would sacrifice a living thing to was considered a mythical demon and no one noticed.

I missed the part where the media questioned her on any specific email.

Also, those types of questions would never be approved by her team and she would probably have the person fired from whatever station/paper they worked at. Also no press conferences.

i want to learn more about this stuff.

Then research it.

This sub is shillaryville now. It's awful. Apparently I'm r/T_D for pointing this out.

Stop calling people shills. Try to understand their viewpoint. I for example want to believe, but I'm not as easy to convince as other people (not meaning I am smarter or anything).

You should be able to invest your time to formulate counterarguments to the people in here who are not believing in the same things as you. However, you take the easy way out, calling people shills.

Look at the links and the shillary comments. Do your own research.

"People who don't believe in magic and literal demons are shills."

An enlightened r/conspiracy poster right here.

What a straw man misrepresentation of my statement. OP linked great content. It's not me who believes in magic.

Reading all of your comments has been pretty much like listening to a janitor brag about how the company would do so much better if he were in charge instead of cleaning toilets.

I get it, you don't believe in the occult. I know that's because you've never bothered to investigate it for yourself. You are too afraid to even look at the information, so you refute it without actual investigation.

You're willfully ignorant, and that's pretty fucking sad. It takes severe dedication to purposely remain in the dark.

Also, the fact that this is almost half downvotes shows this sub is compromised and the mods are complicit.

Or it's all real people, no shills, just wanting better content in this sub. Is that impossible to be true ?

Shareblue and others have been trying to get "better content" on here for a while now and I'm not happy about it.

Or maybe people aren't delusional idiots who believe in magic?

There are too many atheists in the community for this to be taken seriously. If you're an atheist you're really limited on what you can gain from this sub.

Yes, not believing in mythical creatures is VERY limiting. We should be more open minded and consider all fantasy as reality. That's how to be an enlightened truth seeker, be a delusional moron who believes in magic and the supernatural!

You need help.

We were tricked into thinking the new administration would do something about it. Maybe it's being used as leverage to keep the Hitmen at bay, I don't know. All I know is I'm still waiting for justice.

so is magic real or what

How do we get back to that other timeline where a working man could own a house a nice car support a family of 5 come home everyday to a martini and a home cooked meal? That time line looked legit.

yeah but that timeline ends in the second emu wars, but this time the emus arent as merciful

Oh, thank God you said, "Emus".

I thought we were going to be wiped out by Emos.

hard to keep up a armies moral if they are all emos

lets just find a universe where everyone is made out of millions of ants.

You move out of the country.

no way then im still on this scary time line but I lose even more of my rights.

Have you traveled abroad?

Does that remove you from this scary timeline?

You might notice that the scary timeline isn't reality in most of the world.

the one where rich elite own the world and creepy elite sell people and sacrifice children? that seems to be pretty widespread.

That time also came with oppressing minorities so we shouldn't go back to that

hmm it also came with lots of asbestos... BUT you could smoke cigarettes literally anywhere so there is that. but then again there was asbestos in the cigarettes... hmm maybe we can find a new time line where hemp/marijuana was never made illegal and big oil and big pharma didn't rule the world.

I was sceptical at first. Now I think that maybe ancient man, over time, with less distractions, may have been able to observe and achieve a fundamental understanding about how our reality works that we can not yet explain with in our current understanding of science. These secret truths are what most occultist pass along in ritual and symbolism but only to the some one that has been taught to look at in these in the proper light.

Hillary's not president, so I don't think it worked.

Essentially, sure. But to those who "get it" it's more like a science. Similarly to how Thor describes Mjolnir's magic to the avengers.

right, science and magic become interchangeable if you dont understand whats going on.

so what do science do we think might be behind sacrifices and spirit cooking art projects

Bingo! And I'm not sure on the details. Something to do with conscious manifestation, probably utilising holographic principles. If I knew the details I'd share them in a heartbeat... Though ideally I'd share the implications and potential applications rather than promoting sacrifice for people to see for themselves haha!

It's very real. I'd recommend the book Mysterium Coniunctionis to all those interested

lol no not in the slightest, anybody who does believe in it is genuinely retarded and the reason Topminds exists as a sub.

then why the fuck do i care about occultists

So word don't have power?

66% upvoted when all you did is link old news articles. You know you're onto something.

This thread delivers! I knew it was only a matter of time before the scumbags on the left started defending worshiping demons, the devil and occultism. Go suck on your own adrenal gland, you fucking abominations. I hope there is a hell so you can get yours.

I hope there is a hell so I can live in a place with no Christians.

You won't be living but I'm sure you will be accommodated. Why didn't you mention Islam? The the big, scary TV only teach you to hate Christians? Such a sheep. Baaa.

Did the big, scary TV only teach you to hate Christians?

No, just spending time around them was enough to do the job.

Now say something shitty about Islam and Jews, or are you conditioned against Islamophobia and antisemitism? Let's see what you got. I'll give you kudos if you bash all religions equally, otherwise you're just a flesh robot who thinks what you are told.

You're the one giving undue weight to the Abrahamic religions.

How about this: Fuck all doctrines that prefer truth be dictated rather than earned.

Predictable. Say something against Muslims, robot. Call them out specifically like you did Christians. (you wont) Bleep bloop.

On the contrary, I've seen firsthand the horrors of Sunni (and Shia) indoctrination. I'm just not in the habit of appeasing random internet geeks.

When I said "You won't", this is what I was talking about. I joined the Army during Desert Storm as an infantryman. Go ahead and enlighten me with the horrors of Islam. Again, (you won't).

Good for you. I went 11B on September 12th. But that doesn't make either one of us special, and if you deployed then I don't need to tell you because you already know.

Islam sucks and (I've heard) Orthodox Judaism can be pretty bad too. Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Scientologists, Buddhists, Catholics; fuck em all. Same shit, different smell. The big difference is I don't have to deal with those assholes on a daily basis.

Happy?

How do you have to "deal with" Christians everyday? It's certainly not in your daily. I can't even remember the last time Christians pushed their ideology on me. The daily shit you deal with comes directly from your media devices. My uncle founded a somewhat large evangelical ministry and the only time I hear "Bible bashing" is when they post a verse from the Bible on Facebook. It never comes up at work or the gas station or walking down the street, that's ridiculous. The media and Hollywood (both CIA) are pushing anti-Christian bigotry and simultaneously creating groups like ISIS to divide us cattle. I wont buy into their garbage anymore. I don't claim to know what God is or the meaning of life but I'm aware enough to know that the media's content creators are fucking with us.

It certainly is. Have you ever been to the South?

Christians use their overwhelming majority to enact laws that affect all Americans, to shape foreign policy, to bully and silence dissenters, to place their creepy iconography everywhere, to rewrite American history, even to physically and mentally abuse children, all the while crying about how bad they have it.

It's a weird ass sex cult that has managed to place it's mythos above both logic and the law, and we all suffer for it. That's not media fuckery, that's the reality of their actions.

Holy shit, turn off the TV. You're in deep, man. Christianity is a weird ass sex cult? Wtf? haha

Name one thing that Christians have done to oppress you. Think hard.

The entire government-enforced-gestation-and-birthing is a threat to every female and anyone who loves a female, and that comes straight from the Bible-Thumpers-of-America. That's one.

They've been a threat to gay people who want equality under the law. That's two.

You put your "In God We Trust" on my money, and made me swear allegiance to "One Nation, Under God" hundreds of times as a kid, even though I didn't believe in your mythology. I don't see any other religions or atheists getting their mottos on everything, or getting school kids to chant affirmations of their beliefs on a daily basis. That's three.

Blue Laws. That's four.

I could tell him about how my kid was forced to pray every day at his daycare, even though I asked them not to, because "that's just what we do". He was three at the time. But they don't care, they believe they're doing a good thing filling up kids heads with that. He was of course welcome to not participate, all he had to do was sit alone at lunch and willingly ostracize himself from all his friends. I could've moved him to a different daycare, except every single one was happy to inform me that they did the same thing.

I could tell him that, or any one of a hundred other ways I have been negatively affected by Christian dominance, but I'm not going to because it would be a waste of time. He would simply ignore it and further entrench himself in his ludicrous belief that I get all my information from Satanic CIA programming on the television.

Trolls aren't worth the time.

Such a sheep. Baaa.

Lol you follow Christianity and call people sheep. That's pretty rich.

I've read the Bible, the Quran, Tripitakas, the Torah and the Talmud. I've read Dianetics, philosophers from antiquity to the modern age and ancient texts of various sects. You've decided you're just going to mute intellectual curiosity and investigation because of some Spaghetti Monster meme? That's lazy and shows your notions were preconceived and manufactured for you. These books have had huge impacts on the world. No sound bite from some late night comedian or movie is going to make me dismiss anything. You don't know the meaning of life, stop pretending you do.

It's nice that you're very well read. I'm sure that makes you knowledgeable on subjects regarding religion. Not being sarcastic or anything, I really mean that. I don't claim to know more about these religions than you, and I've certainly never came close to pretending to know the meaning of life.

None of that is relevant to the fact that believing in the supernatural is delusional, and none of that is relevant to the fact that it's incredibly silly to call someone a sheep for attacking a group that ~75% of America identifies as.

There is no way 3 out of 4 Americans are Christian. That's just more sensationalism and fake polling from the media. It's okay that you can't wrap your mind around things that are beyond your physical existence, not everyone has had a spiritual encounter. Seeing is believing, they say. Honestly, I think a good start for exploration into our existence can be found at r/holofractal. There is more to our being than meets the eye, of that I'm 100% convinced.

I spent 2 minutes on that sub checking out the sidebar, and they immediately started talking about aether. No thanks, I'm good.

"Hey look at me i base my retarded identity around being gods chosen people but for some reason I cry like a bitch when anyone else thinks their ethnicity is special"

Youre just mad jesus said "gentile lives matter", overthrew money changer tables, and told pharisees traps were gay

https://imgur.com/yJRGhP5

"heaven for climate, hell for company!" --Mark Twain

Do you understand the difference between worshipping demons and not believing in a wild conspiracy theory ?

It seems you don't.

You probably don't even recognize the idols you worship as demons.

Why are you in the conspiracy sub making stupid statements about "wild conspiracy theories?" It seems you are either lost or you aren't here to read about conspiracies. I bet you don't even know about the CIA document that shows how they programmed you to attack conspiracies. You are nothing more than a result of their effort to brainwash you or are part of something more nefarious. If you think conspiracy theories are stupid, unsub and gtfo.

I was correcting you because you said about everybody not agreeing with you is worshipping demons, which is definitely not true and has nothing to do with beliefs, just plain logic.

And now you are deflecting, leaving the original discussion point, mentioning that I could be brainwashed by the CIA. That could be true, of course. I would not rule that out. The only thing I have is logic and asking you questions about your theories so I can form an opinion. So far most of you people's arguments are not good enough unfortunately. I have seen some good (non-wild) conspiracy theories here, that's why am a reader. There are people that really have a point, but this is sub mostly went insane, I don't think you were here years ago when things were a bit more analytical and not so easily dismissable.

Same goes the other way though, they could also have programmed you to believe in things to keep you from finding the real conspiracies. So this argument is worthless.

When the demons dress up in white skin the devil and occultism become the tools to free the oppressed!

Not sure if you meant to put /s after that or not. Identity politics is such a passé narrative. Even though it's outdated, it continues. Left/Right--Black/White--Gay/Straight--Christian/Muslim etc... all part of the divide and conquer tactics by the Satanic banking overlords of the Old Testament, who were kicked out of Israel for worshiping Moloch and sacrificing children per tradition. They didn't just go away... they went underground and now they rule the Earth. They own the media, and consequently, everyone's thoughts.

Then the Devil led Him up and showed Him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. And the Devil said to Him, "To You I will give their glory and all this authority; for it has been given over to me, and I give it to anyone I please (Luke 4:5,6).

Demons aren't real. Neither are Santa Clause or the Tooth Fairy, which I assume you must also believe in.

Who cares? "God" isn't real and neither is "the devil." Which imaginary friends politicians have makes no difference. The real problem is that the world is run by people who have imaginary friends. And that we think their imaginary friends have some kind of spoooky powers. Downvote Away!

First reasonable comment I've seen.

I guess people here literally believe in magic and the supernatural.

Usually when someone thinks smearing jizz and feces on themselves gives them magical powers, we wonder about their sanity. Not so in this case.

But hey, thirty percent of the world's population engage in ritualistic cannibalism and blood drinking every Sunday, so who am I to judge?

jesus youre out there

Interesting, it was pushed much harder during the election.

You're doing God's work. thank you for this post.

Occultists

cute

Who cares the most are the Clintons, Podestas and on up the food chain. That's why there's so much to distract us from that currently – the weather, the Russians, the domestic "terror" incidents, the left/right shit, all of it.... to keep us from climbing up that ladder to the real powers who have been doing this shit for centuries.

It's disturbing and scary how many people actually believe in the occult in 2017...

What is there to care about. We have reviewed the evidence and determined that they are in a cult that believes in which craft. Part of that is eating little kids and making everyone poor through dumbing them down. Strong fucus on high taxs.

What else can we do. We have our guy that said he would lock her up. He hasn't even talked about it since November 7th. Yet what can we do?

Jesus Christ not the spirit cooking shit again

I super fucking care. But admittedly I feel that there aren't nearly enough people willing to accept the level of treachery and depravity sewn into the very fabric of most societies worldwide to make any meaningful progress.

It's a cynical view, I know, but it's been thousands of years ping ponging between one set of psychotic rulers and the next.

At a certain point you have to start asking yourself how can this be the state of things so consistently for so long? Statistics should dictate a shift back and forth for at least a little while here and there.

Which is why I, a non religious, skeptically spiritual person, have been starting to suspect that all occultism and all that "hocus pocus Bohemian Grove" shit might actually work.

It sounds ridiculous to discuss with almost everyone. I'm way too scared to try it myself. But fuck man - dark forces RUN this planet. Expecting anything else is pointless.

Peppridge farm remembers

Great post but I want to point out one thing I noticed since I don't have time to read the whole thing. That list of 213 things not allowed to do in the army is pretty old. It's from a site that doesn't seem to work anymore here http://skippyslist.com/list/. It was just a comedy site.

It might be just a coincidence that his name is Skippy. I remember seeing that thing a while ago. I would guess that because of the name and the subject matter they just pasted it all onto an email.

Unless Podesta was the author but nothing in his emails leads me to think any of these people are witty enough to be that funny.

you know what's the difference between shills and normal users?

normal users upvote what they like, shills downvote everything they don't like ...

wikileaks compromised. all fake

Say hello to TMoR, OP.

Did the big, scary TV only teach you to hate Christians?

No, just spending time around them was enough to do the job.

It seems more likely to me that the UFO stuff would be a distraction from the pedo stuff.

"You weren't molested – you were abducted by aliens! Case closed!"

It really has to be studied out but here is an example of comparing the KJV to the NKJV which most people think is an innocent update. The NIV is the worst because that book will allow it's readers to think the Antichrist is actually Jesus Christ's 2nd coming. The spiritual deception goes just as deep as the worldly deception:

http://av1611.org/nkjv.html

this guy was one of the greatest Bible teachers of all time. If you got a few hours this should convince you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGcJii2MaTI

Is it not possible we're limited to our understanding of the mysteries because of how we approach trying understanding things? You said belief in the superstitious diminished as our understanding of science grows, but is there a chance trying to objectively measure things with our understanding of science has limited our understanding of things that can't be observed with our current science? So by virtue of that, a lot of mysterious things are dismissed simply because we're incapable of objectively entertaining the possibility of it?

I hope you understand what I'm trying to get at there.

Check Podesta's Twitter account. Here are a few tweets about UFO's

I honestly don't care if Skippy is best friends with The President Of the Aliens. He messes with kids. He isn't being framed to cover up ET..he's just a damn pedo.

Such a sheep. Baaa.

Lol you follow Christianity and call people sheep. That's pretty rich.

Holy shit, turn off the TV. You're in deep, man. Christianity is a weird ass sex cult? Wtf? haha

Name one thing that Christians have done to oppress you. Think hard.

It's nice that you're very well read. I'm sure that makes you knowledgeable on subjects regarding religion. Not being sarcastic or anything, I really mean that. I don't claim to know more about these religions than you, and I've certainly never came close to pretending to know the meaning of life.

None of that is relevant to the fact that believing in the supernatural is delusional, and none of that is relevant to the fact that it's incredibly silly to call someone a sheep for attacking a group that ~75% of America identifies as.

I put on my robe and wizard hat

So you joke about gods of Child Sacrifice too?

One thing's for sure: it doesn't demonstrate that he is a practitioner of the black arts.

Thelema is as close to the Black Arts as you can get...do you send or receive emails about "Thelema" to your friends?

"Thelema" - a Favor- John Podesta Emails

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/39459

'Cult' fights claims of child sacrifice

AN ANTI-CHILD-SEX campaigner accused an occult religious group of hosting parties at which naked children acted as waiters and at which members had sex with and murdered children, a tribunal was told yesterday.

The obscure group Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO) claims Dr Reina Michaelson and the Child Sexual Abuse Prevention Program described it in a website article as a satanic cult that sacrificed children and ate their organs and blood.

OTO members follow a religion known as Thelema, founded by occultist Aleister Crowley.

Does that remove you from this scary timeline?

You have no fucking clue what you're talking about. You are so narrow minded it makes me nauseous.