These two subjects are so far apart that this like saying MK Ultra is just as proven as flat earth. Homosexuality is not a mental illness ffs. Perhaps you’d like us to go back to the days of performing electro-shock therapy to suspected homosexuals?
are you familiar with the history of its reclassification?
Perhaps you’d like us to go back to the days of performing electro-shock therapy to suspected homosexuals?
since you apparently believe in the concept of mental illness (i do not), would it be fair for me to 'deduce' that you approve of insulin shock therapy?
Why don't you believe in mental illness? I understand if you don't believe homosexuality or any other condition isn't a mental illness but it's a little weird to not believe in mental illness at all.
i don't believe in mental illness because i regard mental illness as a metaphor which has been taken literally for so long that people regard it as an objective fact. to illustrate what i mean, consider the following parable:
susan told anthony that she believed that jan was hot under the collar. anthony immediately got out a thermometer and began measuring the temperature beneath jan's collar. moments later, he perplexedly announced that he could find no evidence that susan's assertion was true.
I understand if you don't believe homosexuality or any other condition isn't a mental illness but it's a little weird to not believe in mental illness at all.
to keep things country simple: i regard homosexuality as an unfortunate tendency, homosexual actions as sins, and belief in mental illness as credulous.
A mental/emotional state in which somebody is so dissatisfied with their physical being that they seek to alter it by any means necessary, going so far as to undergo massive bodily transformations via hormone replacement therapy and permanently disfiguring their reproductive organs.
Somehow we've reached a point where people will actually sit there and argue that "it's because the rest of the world wont let them be who they really are."
So you defend old psychiatric terms and diagnoses? maybe you are forgetting that "being against the establishment" was considered a mental illness too, and used in very opportunistic ways in history. Even today being into conspiracy theories is still associated with different degrees of paranoia.
I'm unsure if this is more pro-psychiatry or against homosexuals/trans.
We're in here with The Truth about The Spanish Influenza Epidemic of 1918 and Was JFK Killed by Cancer Research and this guy wants to make it about how men wearing dresses gives him the heebie-jeebies.
As a result, the two were the first to successfully demonstrate that viruses causing cancer could be spread from animal to animal.
Tragically, Dr. Eddy's warnings regarding tainted vaccines led to the infamous Cutter Incident in 1954:
In 1954, while the NIH was testing the first commercial polio vaccines, Eddy's job was to test the vaccines from five different companies. Testing the vaccines on 18 monkeys, she and her team discovered that the inactivated vaccine manufactured by Cutter Laboratories contained residual live poliovirus, resulting in the monkeys showing polio-like symptoms and paralysis.
Eddy reported her findings to William Workman, head of the Laboratory of Biologics Control, but her findings were never given to the vaccine licensing advisory committee.
Although then-NIH director William Sebrell was notified, he chose to ignore Eddy's findings and proceeded to license the Cutter vaccine along with the others. Dr. James Shannon, the associate director of the NIH, managed to get the vaccines recalled.
Bernice Eddy also was the first to identify SV-40, a cancer causing monkey virus that millions of people were exposed to through contaminated polio vaccines.
In 1960 Ratner learned that a government researcher Dr. Bernice Eddy had discovered evidence of a cancer-causing agent that she described as a vacuolating virus in the Salk vaccine rhesus-monkey-kidney culture medium.
Dr. Ben Sweet working under Dr. Maurice Hilleman at Merck observed a similar agent in the same kind of medium that they were using to develop a vaccine for adenovirus.
The agent was later identified as a monkey virus and named Simian Virus 40 (SV40). Sweet & Hilleman published their work in November 1960 and Eddy published her work in May 1961.
The unused box of 1955 Salk polio vaccine Ratner had placed in his refrigerator remained there for more than forty years. In the meantime researchers had begun to discover that SV40 was associated with various cancers. One of these researchers was Dr. Michele Carbone, a molecular pathologist of Italian birth and education, then working at the University of Chicago.
Eventually the entire box of remaining vials was given to Carbone in the presence of a lawyer and witnesses. In these vials Carbone discovered two separate strains of SV40, one of which was a slow-growing strain previously not known to have been in polio vaccines and for which the vaccines currently being marketed were not being tested.
Moreover, this slow-growing strain was the same as one found in some types of cancerous tumors. Had Ratner not saved vials of vaccine, the source of this slow-growing strain would have been suspected but unproven.
So Dr. Eddy not only made two huge discoveries (polyoma virus and SV-40), but she warned the scientific community twice about contamination of the polio vaccine and she was ignored twice!
Sarah Stewart and Bernice Eddy's discovery of the polyoma in 1957 marked the real takeoff of theories about virus and cancer. It could be destructive like polio, but produce tumors at the same time.
Although Stewart was later promoted within the cancer institute, she did not in her lifetime win the recognition she deserved. She died of cancer in 1976, Bernice Eddy remaining close to her until the end. "She was a forceful individual who did not let anything stand in the way if she could help it," said Eddy.
This is an interesting story, but in terms of drama it's nothing compared to what happens next. At the same time in the late 1950s that Eddy and Stewart were producing cancers in animals with the polyoma virus, Eddy had sneaked back to the polio vaccine. "I did things on the side which I wasn't assigned to do," Eddy said.
One of them was starting to conduct safety experiments on the polio vaccine in June 1959, from which she had officially been removed four years earlier. In observing cells from the kidneys of rhesus monkeys under the microscope—the kind of cell preparation from which the polio vaccine was being made by private drug companies—Eddy had noted spontaneous degeneration, meaning that the cells would start to die without any apparent cause.
She did more experiments with these cells, and on July 6, 1960, reported to her chief Joseph Smadel, that when she injected preparations from those monkey kidneys into hamsters, the hamsters got cancer. Tumors grew in newborn hamsters at the site of injection; probably a virus in the monkey cells was causing the cancer.
The story that follows is such a sad one, partly because Smadel himself was a distinguished scientist, not just a petty bureaucrat...he was not pleased, just after assuming his new post in viral research, when Eddy threw this time bomb onto his desk: the possibility of a cancer-causing virus in the polio vaccine.
In August he sat down with Eddy, went over her data, and dismissed the findings as "lumps." He thought her rumps unrelated to the degenerative changes (vacuolation) that other scientists had observed in the kidney cells of other monkey species, and he dismissed the possibility that the lumps, might be cancer or cause the disease in humans.
He must have been very nasty at the time, for he later wrote to Eddy, "It is my recollection that I was not even diplomatic in telling you that you had no basis for either statement." This was not out of character for Smadel, who was generally known as brusque and authoritarian, although his earlier relations with Eddy while he had been at Walter Reed had been cordial.
The Eddy problem landed again on Smadel's desk when, in October of 1960, she gave a talk at the New York meeting of the Cancer Society. At the meeting she described finding a cancer-causing virus in the monkey cells from which the polio vaccine was grown.
Thomas Rivers of the March of Dimes Foundation was in the audience and later told Smadel what Eddy had said. Smadel hit the roof. "Smadel called me up," Eddy said, "and if there was anything in the English language—any awful name—that he could call me, he did. Oh, he was mad. I never saw anybody so mad.” Smadel wrote Eddy a letter later that day forbidding her to speak in public again without clearing a written text of her remarks specifically with him. That was just the beginning.
Eventually, Bernice Eddy lost her labs. In successive measures she was denied permission to attend scholarly conferences, her papers were held up, and finally she was removed from vaccine research altogether.
Her treatment became a scandal within the scientific community and was discussed in Senate hearings.
The CIA and Big Pharma are very tight. One of the original Air America / Flying Tigers ends up being the President of Bayer/Sterling in China while also being CIA Station Chief for that region.
Bayer allowed its top rank to be held by the CIA in communist China during the Mao era. The risk if discovered would be massive. They are very close.
Alvin Burrdige is the CIA agent and President of Sterling. His wife would be the founder of UN and worked with the FBI.
The guy was responsible for building Air America, allegedly Air America was credited with running drugs. He and validated by people that knew him was the guy seeking landing spots to get around the globe via airplane. He wrote the business plan for moving Kai-Shek in to Taiwan. To accomplish this they need to write a fat check from the US (40M) but also had to get support from the Mongul drug lords. What would a drug lord want in return? Distribution.
Tangled web between the major players and our Government agencies.
As a side note they learned in the 30s that foreign nervous system tissue when injected tended to provoke an auto immune response to one's own nervous system. Vaccines and the reactions they caused were the birth of studying anaplaxis and allergy...
So when Salk was grinding up monkey spinal cords for injection into America's youth it was well understood that severe nervous system damage would be a real consequence.
The race to create the polio vaccine was a race entirely based on hubris and not philanthropy.
Those at the forefront didn't care how sloppy the science was or how many children were maimed in the process.
Dr. Ochsner, whose story I get into here even tested one of the experimental polio vaccines on his two grandchildren, killing one and paralyzing the other.
Yeah, why wouldn't they care? This makes no sense? Do you have any idea how science works? If any scientist can actually prove a link between vaccines and autism they would shoot to the top of the pantheon of scientists. How could you possibly orchestrate a conspiracy like that in such a competitive environment?
why don't they care? $$$ the rich want more autists as they are easier to control, more compliant, less violent. It was done on purpose, same as flouride in water and plastics in food,
July 2017 - Increased risk for an atypical autism diagnosis following Thimerosal-containing vaccine exposure in the United States: A prospective longitudinal case-control study in the Vaccine Safety Datalink
I am floored....this post should be published. I want to print this up and drop off in doctor waiting rooms so patients could at least have a fair chance at informed consent. My question is do doctors know about this scandal? Is the oncology community aware of the connection between vaccines and cancer? This is huge, thank you for sharing this topic!! Mainstream Media has been criminally negligent for not exposing this. Thank you Reddit conspiracy. The truth truly sets the blind free.
Originally blamed on "immigrants", a study determined that it was most likely caused by nearby Rockefeller Labs where a deadly "multi-virus" strain of polio was being developed.
However it is a remarkable coincidence that a unique neurotropic strain of poliovirus was developed a few miles from an epidemic caused by a uniquely pathogenic strain of the virus...such an extraordinary epidemic requires an extraordinary explanation.
An amazing lecture on polio by a nephrologist who went from main stream science to researching (over 10,000 hours) into the subject of vaccines and changed her beliefs.
In a 2009 paper published in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases, Karen Starko proposed that aspirin poisoning had contributed substantially to the fatalities.
She based this on the reported symptoms in those dying from the flu, as reported in the post mortem reports still available, and also the timing of the big "death spike" in October 1918 which happened right after the Surgeon General of the United States Army, and the Journal of the American Medical Association both recommended very large doses of 8.0–31.2 g of aspirin per day.
Starko also suggests that the wave of aspirin poisonings was due to a "perfect storm" of events: Bayer's patent on aspirin expired, so that many companies rushed in to make a profit and greatly increased the supply; this coincided with the flu pandemic; and the symptoms of aspirin poisoning were not known at the time.
at least half of published scientific research (medical and otherwise) is false
i love bringing this up to people who repeat the words "peer review" in an unthinking, mantra-like manner whenever anything outside currently culturally approved dogma is discussed
Unless you are doing something that is easy to check, it's unlikely that someone will actually do the experiments again. So if you fake those results, you can get a paper published quite easily.
Some fields are inherently much easier to cheat with, and basically all the softer sciences are full of p-hacking and low sample sizes allowing shitty results.
But even in harder sciences like physics, some retard that caused clocks to be desynchronized manage to publish faster than light neutrinos. We're at a point where basically only a few papers can be proven right correctly easily: pure mathematical papers, using automated systems that can check your proof, and computer science (though that's kinda math as well I guess), since the cost of running an algorithm is moderate.
Now obviously for theoretical physics, the big shit that breaks previous laws is going to be doubted, so other people will do experiments to confirm the results, but the paper still often manages to be published first. For medicine though, you are likely out of luck and big pharma can definitely fake the results of some experiments.
I also talk from experience, in my case I was asked no proof of my results or anything, as long as it's not news breaking nobody is likely to check. I put honest results because I have ethics, but I definitely see how easy it would be to fake them, especially if you have grants or graduation hinging over it.
Plum Island is 10 miles from Old Lyme, Connecticut and a mile and a half off the North Fork of Long Island.
Michael Carroll, an attorney, formerly a law firm associate of the late New York Governor Mario Cuomo, notes in his book [Lab 257] that Lyme disease “suddenly surfaced in Old Lyme, Connecticut” in 1975 and cites years of experimentation before that with ticks on Plum Island and discusses the possibility of an accidental or purposeful release.
Lab 257 documents a Nazi connection to the original establishment by the U.S. Army of an animal disease laboratory on Plum Island. According to the book, Erich Traub, a scientist who worked for the Third Reich doing biological warfare, was the force behind its founding.
During World War II, “as lab chief of Insel Riems—a secret Nazi biological warfare laboratory on a crescent-shaped island in the Baltic Sea—Traub worked directly for Adolph Hitler’s second-in-charge, SS Reichsfuhrer Heinrich Himmler, on live germ trials,” relates Lab 257.
The mission was to develop biological warfare to be directed against animals in the Soviet Union. This included infecting cattle and reindeer with foot-and-mouth disease. This became the mission, in a Cold War setting, at Plum Island.
And, states Lab 257, “The tick is the perfect germ vector which is why it has long been fancied as a germ weapon by early biowarriors from Nazi Germany and the Empire of Japan to the Soviet Union and the United States.”
“A source who worked on Plum Island in the 1950s,” the book says, “recalls that animal handlers and a scientist released ticks outdoors on the island. ‘They called him the Nazi scientist, when they came in, in 1951—they were inoculating these ticks.”
Lab 257 goes on: “Dr. Traub’s World War II handiwork consisted of aerial virus sprays developed on Insel Riems and tested over occupied Russia, and of field work for Heinrich Himmler in Turkey. Indeed, his colleagues conducted bug trials by dropping live beetles from planes. An outdoor tick trial would have been de rigueur for Erich Traub.”
Traub was brought to the U.S. with the end of the war under Project Paperclip, a program under which Nazi scientists, such as Wernher von Braun, came to America.
“Traub’s detailed explanation of the secret operation on Insel Riems” given to officials at Fort Detrick in Maryland, the Army’s biological warfare headquarters, and to the CIA, “laid the groundwater for Fort Detrick’s offshore germ warfare animal disease lab on Plum Island. Traub was a founding father,” says Lab 257.
This conspiracy channel did a feature on it recently. Lyme is definitely weaponized bio-warfare. The bacteria has the ability to change shape. Also look up morgellons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT6gCqulCok
The government is leaving town, and the npo I'm with is looking to convert it into a state park, before the billionaires get another playground out East. I will still never go there. Camp Hero in Montauk? That's a different story. Or two.
Dude my cousin grew up in Old Lyme and got a horrible case of Lyme disease as a child that took him years to overcome. He had to have skin grafts on his arm it got so bad, he still wears a sleeve over the arm today.
The spread of Lyme disease in the Atlantic part of America has been huge. The rise of invisible illnesses in that area has also been huge. It's awful and I am so angry about this right now.
Also, had a family friend who got a bad case of lyme disease and it was mis-diagnosed for years as MS. She is still dealing with issues from the lyme disease and it's been close to 10 years since she was diagnosed with it, probably closer to 15 years since she was misdiagnosed with MS.
Chronic illnesses that don't have any visual symptoms. ME, FIBRO, CFS, COLD, EDS etc are all invisible illnesses.
My aunt was bit by a tick and is now allergic to all mammals. She can eat fish and birds, but she is so allergic to meat protein she has to get medically supervised fillings because the bonding agent has derivitave of horse hooves in it. She carries epi pens now.
Best friend got lymes in her early 20s and now 9 years later basically has lymes disease induced psychosis. She is a shell of her former self, wanders around aimlessly, fits of rage and laughter, can't connect thoughts or hold a conversation. Very sad.
I just buried someone in a small town cemetery while I was there I couldn't help but notice that most the dead people there died between the age of 24-48 this age group made up more than half the cemetery the old people buried there were 50-66 which made up most of the rest with very very few older than 70
no. quite the contrary. I was backing up your life expectancy hoax conspiracy with my anecdotal observations. this cemetery had dead people from recent times and people who died roughly 80 years ago and they all died in similar age groups and none of the age groups are long lives. my point was that in this one case study my findings suggest that all these people even in quite recent of times all die between 24-66 at the oldest which would back up your claim that we are not 'living longer' I don't know why you had to be a dick but your comment was quite dickish.
fyi when people are agreeing with you don't be a dick and try to argue with them. kthanksbai
Did you even listen to the video you linked? What evidence does this person provide? None is the answer. He compares our lives to 1984. Wow, great, awesome. Totally factual.
What evidence do you have that we are living longer? Please, I would love to be wrong about this. But when I thought about it, I realised that I was never shown empirical data to prove we were living longer. I was just told over and over again that 'life expectancy has risen', like an Orwellian mantra.
So you link a YouTube video with literally no evidence but you can't do a 2 second Google search that would show you literally countless piles of evidence? Do you discredit all sources of this evidence?
I asked you if you had any evidence. When did it become so offensive to people to ask them for evidence? And when did 'just google it' become an argument?
I don't know how long people are living. The video in question makes the same point: everybody believes we are living longer but nobody seems to have any evidence. Your 'just google it' is implicit proof of the very point being made.
Its an average, more people are living into old age(60-70+), its people not dying young from preventable disease, accidents, war, malnutrion, etc, that are raising the average. There has always been people who lived into old age, just far less.
I think science wise we are on the verge of extending peoples lives beyond the natural cap of about 70-80 years.
None of that will be on the evening news. You have to go to Germany to even find people researching these things. Hows that for a conspiracy? Other governments are seriously taking huge steps, but American Universities and research teams are hampered by US law. Stem cell research should never have been fucked with.
There is a good PDF in there that shows the steady increase of the age that people are dying.
Personally I do not consider a random YouTuber who presented little to no facts and thinks quoting George Orwell will make his point any better. Can you provide any factual data that people are significantly younger??
I found an article that noted a decrease of 0.1 years, but unless that keeps up for many years I do not consider it significant.
That is a link. It is not proof. Tell us which part of that link you found most convincing. You can't, because you haven't read it - you have simply google searched and posted the link. You are proving the point being made.
I did read it... I can't link a PDF on here but the one titled "Life expectancy by age, race, and sex, 1900-2012 United States Life Tables, 2012" apecificly Figure 1 on page 5. check it out and let us know what you think. They are using actual mortality data to produce this.
The burden of proof is not on me here. You are the one that needs to provide factual evidence to support your claims, because it goes against what everyone else already believes and knows. A YouTube video of a guy with an accent is not factual evidence.
Although I don't actually expect you to provide any evidence, maybe just another YouTube video, which doesn't count as evidence in my book. Or you just won't respond because you can't find any evidence and would rather just believe what you want to believe because
That is "life expectancy at birth." It's okay to use that in some arguments, but not for arguing that we need to increase retirement age. You don't want to count all of the people who died shortly after birth because those people didn't get to retire. In today's world, everything is safe. We don't have children working in coal mines and factories, we have all kinds of rules for driving, safety standards everywhere.
When someone says "we need to increase retirement age because people are living longer," what they are essentially arguing is that retired people are more fit and healthy today, they can do satisfactory labor at 65, and live more years in retirement, which causes a burden on the system. You only want to compare people who lived to 65 in 1900 and life expectancy of people who are 65 today. You can probably find that somewhere and I wouldn't be surprised to see that retirement-age people are living longer today because fewer people smoke, fewer people worked in shitty factories as kids, etc.
Tell us which part of that video you posted provides any information refuting official statistics. Go ahead.
You are so deep into your own brain that you post a link thats worthless and then challenge someone else to provide proof otherwise. Then when they do, you say
That is a link. It is not proof. Tell us which part of that link you found most convincing.
Like...for real? Are you okay? If you were informed on the subject, you'd be able to discuss this in depth here in these comments. Instead, you play some game where you are trying to get other people to research for you?
I read the .pdf he posted. Did you? It certainly has information in it that refutes your point. But wait, what is your point? You haven't said anything useful, and even worse, the video you posted is seriously underwhelming and doesn't directly refer to anything factual about any age study. He just hammers the Australian govt. for increasing the retirement age and describes how people are upset, while using Animal Farm to draw parallel's.
Seriously man, don't post shit if you have no basis and no ability to back up what you post.
He's trying to red-pill the average population on how many people are brainwashed into accepting a life of slavery with hopes of a grand pension and retirement when the prospect of retirement is an illusion. People blindly accept that we're living longer without questioning it, without asking for evidence. If we're told from a young age that we're living longer than ever before, we just accept the fact as a truth. In his metaphor once the cows are finally old enough and worked hard enough for their big payout and retirement, they're led to the slaughterhouse and killed.
Well, minus the 15% of what you earn that the government takes from you to wisely invest so you don't just spend it on a junket or an exciting new vehicle or something.
I watched it too and its useless information. He literally doesn't even say anything connected to this age issue. Im not saying what he presents is questionable or so out there that it is unbelievable. I am saying that he literally doesn't say anything at all about the subject. Wth..is this just a simulation where people are seeing shit I'm not or are people just that stupid?
Thats all well and good, but that video that linked is literally factless. Its a diatribe on conspiracy. Go ahead, watch it and tell me he offers any proof of anything.
He just talks and talks about the retirement age being a hoax, but doesnt ever say how the life expectancy hasn't changed. Is it the average age? No actual medical advances? Less death from simple maladies like pneumonia or diarrhea? I mean, there must be a basis for why he thinks there is some sort of hoax or misinformation, but he doesn't delve into it! Frustrating and a waste of 7 minutes.
We do live a little longer. About 10 years. But yeah people assume everyone died in their 30's hundreds of years ago. Really if you were a male you'd probably make it to your mid 60's. If you were a female your big risk of dying was childbirth, if you survived that you'd also live till the same age. These days we live until our 70's. Of course the reduction in infant mortality is a huge benefit too.
I guess that's a good point, but I've never seen any evidence to the contrary, and frankly I don't see a motive behind lying about something like that. But I'd be open to reading any sources you might have
Hilary Koprowski invented the first "effective" live polio vaccine, using monkey and chimpanzee parts in to create them.
Albert Sabin, the other main producer of the polio vaccine at the time, analyzed Koprowski's "oral" vaccine and found that it was "unstable and contaminated by an unknown virus." In response, Koprowski claimed that Sabin was trying to discredit his work.
As it happens, Sabin was also manufacturing a contaminated polio vaccine with a different lethal virus: SV40.
From 1957 to 1960, after years of tinkering with monkey kidneys and polio germs, Dr. Hilary Koprowski tested his own experimental polio vaccine on 325,000 equatorial Africans, including 75,000 citizens of Leopoldville, Belgian Congo.
98% of the vaccine recipients were infants and toddlers. The youngest children received 15 times the adult dosage. Though Koprowski claimed he had the backing of the World Health Organization, WHO denied sanctioning the large-scale trials.
In 1959, Dr. Albert Sabin reported in the British Medical Journal that Koprowski's polio vaccine used in the African trials contained an "unidentified" cell-killing virus. It was never identified.
However, in 1986 the earliest known blood sample containing antibodies against HIV was traced back to 1959. The serum came from a patient visiting a clinic in Leopoldville.
Koprowski's vaccine was not approved for human use, so it was discontinued in 1960 following the African trials. Thus, it was only administered to inhabitants of the Belgian Congo, Rwanda and Burundi--the precise area where high levels of HIV infection were identified by researched 30 years later.
Furthermore, the AIDS virus is known to infect mucous cells, prevalent in the mouth. The African vaccines were squirted into people's mouths.
Bayer sparked controversy by continuing to sell contaminated factor VIII after new heat-treated versions were available. Under FDA pressure, unheated product was pulled from US markets, but was sold to Asian, Latin American, and some European countries. The product was tainted with HIV, a concern that had been discussed by Bayer and the FDA.
To me, you can't simply dismiss this as the actions of a greedy company...the intention must be far more nefarious, especially coming from a company like Bayer.
Bayer is a fucking evil company. Manufactured heroin as a non-addictive alternative to morphine, used slave labor via German concentration camps during WWII and, as mentioned above, knowingly gave hemophiliacs AIDS and Hep C.
From the Progenitor Virus' discovery in December 1966, the ultimate goal of Dr. Oswell E. Spencer and his colleagues Dr. Edward Ashford and Dr. James Marcus was the birthing of a new age of eugenics with mutagenic viruses improving the human race. To fund this program, dubbed the Wesker Project, it was agreed that strains of the virus should be engineered as a military product, leading to the creation of Umbrella Pharmaceuticals as a front for this research. Research on Progenitor strains was conducted simultaneously in a number of laboratories, with Ashford; Marcus and Spencer engaging in independent research.
Dr. James Marcus' research reached reached a breakthrough in 1977 which warranted his coining of the name "t-Virus" to truly divorce the strain from Progenitor. A new strain was created in 1978 when the virus mutated in the bodies of leech test subjects. Using the virus on humans a very different response was seen compared with Progenitor infection. Rather than dying, the infected instead became aggressive, were found to have cannibalistic impulses, lost intelligence and suffered from considerable necrosis.[1]
The nearby Arklay Laboratory also worked on mutant strains of Progenitor, and had done so since its opening with Progenitor "Type A" and "Type B" strains. In the 1970s they also used "t-Virus" as the name of their new strains. This team made their own breakthrough in 1978 under the leadership of Dr. William Birkin. Fascinated by Ebola's potential as a weapon, Birkin noted that people would be killed too quickly to adequately work in war. A modified t-Virus strain with RNA from Ebola was created, which led to their independent creation of Zombies. Spencer was, however, unsatisfied with the virus the Arklay team was developing, as approximately 10% of people were believed to be naturally immune to the new strain. To guarantee a near 100% success rate in battle, the Arklay team bonded a human egg and reptilian DNA through the virus in 1981, creating the "Hunter", a creature that would be used in battle to kill these remaining survivors.[2] At some point following this the Arklay team began working on a new strain of the virus discovered in the body of a zombie. This strain enabled the "V-ACT" process, which mutated the bodies of unconscious zombies. Other facilities such as the Raccoon City Underground Laboratory experimented with a further mutation of this strain which mutated the infected into Lickers.
Big pharma and the animal agriculture industries are in bed, ensuring people continue to get sick, obese, diabetic, cancer (list goes on) from eating animal products, and big pharma isn't treating the cause (so much for them caring about our health), they want us sick, because it means profit for them. Meanwhile, the world dies.
I’ve been seeing a lot of Humira commercials. Like there seems to be a lot of people with autoimmune disorders. Psoriasis, chron’s disease etc... The biologics industry has seen a huge boom these last couple of years. It could also be that many had it before but just not talk about it.
I have seen a shocking amount of service members (myself included) develop autoimmune diseases, with the large majority being Crohn's / UC cases. Hell, at my particular squadron, we had four new ulcerative colitis cases in the span of six months, a few (unsure of the number) instances of psoriasis, and one case of arthritis. It is fucking insane. This was all less than a decade ago, btw.
Went to South Korea in 2000. Had to get the experimental anthrax vaccine. It's six shots. If you're going to get sick, it usually happens on the 4th shot. Developed endocrine system disruption disorder (they don't call it gulf war syndrome anymore). My mitochondria are fucked (chronic fatigue is a huge part of the symptoms). Took 15 years, but I then went on to develope MS. IBS was the first symptom of the MS.
I am pretty certain that the military are some of the first ones to get experimental vaccines. Like, first human trial type stuff. Also, do not forget that many of the military bases have VERY nasty water in thwirsupply supply. I heard of a lawsuit against Camp Lejeune for a lot of sercice members and their families having much higher rates of disease / cancer. I need to look it up for details.
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As both a biomedical and public health researcher, I have often tried to find a universal connection behind the prevalence of chronic disease and the health of our mitochondria seems to be the answer.
The mitochondria are bacteria that live inside most of our cells and supply most of the energy currency, ATP, through a near motor-like system called Oxidative Phosphorylation (OXPHOS) along the Electron Transport Chain. Healthy mitochondria elongate, and the surface area of the cristae, folds wherein OXPHOS occurs, increases, promoting more energy potential per mitochondria unit. Similar to cells, mitochondria can divide, move, and former networks in strategic locations near structures that require large amounts of energy.
Furthermore, mitochondria are inherited from mothers. Giving a direct genetic line where metabolic disease, disorders, and energetic inefficiency can be inherited. Many pollutants, carcinogens, inflammatory agents, drugs, foods, and more, promote the production of Reactive Oxidative Species (ROS) and other DAMPs (damage associated molecular pathogens) which can easily cause structural damage to the mitochondria or mitochondrial DNA (it is more susceptible than nuclear DNA because bacteria have limited protection). As these agents increasingly affect a person, the ratio of healthy to unhealthy mitochondria can change, promoting disease states. Furthermore, the mitochondria in your eyes and brain can be completely different than those in your leg muscles or heart, a state called heteroplasmy (nuclear DNA is homoplasmy, same in all cells). Returning to the maternal inheritance: a proposed theory of maternal inheritance is the "mitochondrial bottleneck" wherein RANDOM mitochondria are transferred from mother to egg. So it's a chance game on what mitochondria will transfer to child, however if 50% of your mitochondria are healthy and 50% diseased, the chances of child inheriting disease is more likely.
We have all heard of the "beer belly" or the person who just exercises their biceps and triceps but not their calves. What this phenotype comes down to is as the person exercises or drinks the mitochondrial energetic potential in these regions change so the person can support the mechanics of these structures. In the beer belly case though, the mitochondria in the gut organs become diseased and produce scant amounts of energy and cant process the rush of carbohydrates hitting the system, promoting fat deposition. A similar story occurs in the development of Diabetes Type II where the Beta-cells which produce insulin according to blood sugar are chronically inflamed and destroyed by the immune system. The mitochondria in these regions are ravaged and beaten and end up contributing to the destruction of the region. Mitochondria additionally control the on and off switch for apoptosis (cell death) and can be implicated in cancers (immortal cells, the on/off switch is gone!)
The connection between mitochondrial health and these modern diseases following the 1950s is infallible. However, indirectly, synthetic ways of life, the capitalistic societies we live in, and disregard for community health promote environments where mitochondrial damage is inevitable. The real conspiracy I am attempting to illuminate is the disregard for viewing ENERGY as source of disease rather than just MATTER. I consider this as logical, given life in a materialistic society, focused on body parts or organs being diseased, however these organs would not exist without ENERGY.
Is there any way to reverse mitochondrial damage? I'm someone that has suffered from a chronic health condition that's associated with mitochondrial dysfunction - I know that recovery from this disease is possible, but I'm curious about whether mitochondrial damage is permanent.
You can make new mitochondria and l-acetylcarnitine increased mitochondrial number. I would try to address inflammation and/or any underlying infections as well. Double check all this, I am not an expert.
The major ways are: proper diet according to your needs, exercise, and supplementation (COQ10, other "cocktails" which contain enzymes or vitamins, even metformin has been shown in lower doses to assist)
Depending on the type of disease you have: primary or secondary, the clinical outlook varies. Primary mitochondrial disorders/dysfunction are typically derived from mother and are often full scale deletions of portions of mitochondrial DNA that relate directly to proteins on the electron transport chain. Imagine a portion of the "circle of energy" (circular mitochondrial DNA) breaks, almost the like the ouroboros breaking.
Secondary mitochondrial diseases are lifestyle induced and consequences or comorbidities with common chronic diseases and inflammation.
Primary mitochondrial dysfunction can be readily tested through genetic testing, however secondary dysfunction is often a web of nuclear DNA and mitochondrial DNA that is harder to detect and can be reversed! There are a few upcoming therapies for primary dysfunction, however the treatment is ideally applied pre-conception through maternal screening.
For example if a mother believes she may carry a mitochondrial disease, she can have the nucleus of her egg be transplanted on a donor egg with healthy mitochondria (the "three-person baby" phenomenon). The mitochondria has very little to do with developmental phenotype besides providing adequate energy and so I do not see it as a three person baby.
Thank you for this info! I appreciate the advice. I'm familiar with CoQ10, but that's the first time I've ever heard of PQQ.
I've got to get my diet back on track, but I was eating a lot of raw fermented foods and ginger before. I'm going to add them back in, along with some more of those anti-inflammatory foods. I also am getting an RO filter installed at my apartment, so I will have clean water shortly.
Wim Hof is something that I actually looked into for a long time and researched. Ultimately, I wasn't really comfortable pursuing it, but I did begin taking cold showers/ice baths without the breathing component. I'm in the FB group and I follow any new developments/research involving it, so it's something I might add to my regiment in the future.
Oh I've been meaning to add to this and then saw your reply/comment.
Coffee enemas. Sounds far out/a bit suss to suggest from a complete random over the internet but I would consider it a huge, crucial addition to the above in terms of allowing your body to fully release a lot of the toxicity you carry around.
Real easy to DIY no drugs or major medical/scientific knowledge needed either and info abounds on the www.
As far as I'm aware there's no deep or mystical psycho-spiritual aspect to Wim Hof's method but I guess he sourced a lot of it from Eastern influences but essentially I think it is just yoga/applied/mindful breathing and is comparable to Groff's "Holotropic" breathwork. At their extremes I would imagine they could allow OBE/astral experiences tho.
Thanks for adding that. I've actually heard about coffee enemas before, it's just something I've never wanted to try for obvious reasons haha. But as I start improving my health, I will re-consider that.
For Wim Hof, the main reason why I didn't opt for it is that I wasn't comfortable with the huge adrenaline spikes it causes. I'm a little wary of tinkering with my endocrine system in that way. But I do know it can have major health benefits and it is something that I may take up in the future. I'm hoping there will be more research studies coming out soon.
I believe the idea is that, since cells themselves are basically the evolution of a number of symbiotic microorganisms, the structure of mitochondria is similar in function to bacteria therefore it may be the best term used to summarize its lifecycle.
Mitochondria have the DNA structure of a bacteria and often are compared to Rickettsia. But, yes, they are certainly organelles that animal cells are codependent on. In a sense these "bacteria" hold the noose around or necks though.
Travis Christofferson's book "Tripping over the Truth" talks about this theory and the history of how cancer came to be thought of as being caused by genetic mutations. It is such a great read, very hard to put down.
Yes, Seyfried is a pioneer in this field. The amazing thing is that mitochondrial medicine has much to do with preventative medicine. Hopefully we can see a shift in ideology regarding this. There is a famous study where mitochondria are actually used as "bombs" (their typical mode when apoptosis is triggered) to destroy cancer cells through reactivation of suppressed apoptotic signal.
ref: Design and Synthesis of a MAO-B-Selectively Activated Prodrug based on MPTP: A Mitochondria-Targeting Chemotherapeutic Agent for Treatment of Human Malignant Gliomas, Baskin et al. 2015
Most of what you're saying is true but blaming your beer belly on local mitochondria is just plain stupid. I'm a kinesiology undergrad and I know that no mitochondria are static in the way you're proposing. Having a beer belly can be much more easily explained by the hormonal factors associated with gender and motor neuron recruitment and patterns. More fat utilization in one area=more storage in that area.
The real conspiracy I am attempting to illuminate is the disregard for viewing ENERGY as source of disease rather than just MATTER. I consider this as logical, given life in a materialistic society, focused on body parts or organs being diseased, however these organs would not exist without ENERGY.
I had/received this insight during an ayahuasca ceremony, but this paints it in a more scientific light. Fascinating. Can you share more of your thoughts & findings on this?
Much has to do with readings on epigenetics and the communication and connection between mtDNA and nDNA. The patterns and programs that our physiology develop based on environment and other inputs are as important as the actual bio marker indicating disease.
Just going to tag onto this post that there are a bunch of medical drugs that we use all the time are known to be toxic to mitochondria. If you understand where mitochondria come from, one of the biggest classes should be obvious: antibiotics, especially bacteriocidal antibiotics.
But don't just blame doctors: alcohol will fuck a mito up, too.
We have an infant that was given lots of antibiotics immediately after birth (we think unnecessarily) and he has not been thriving quite as much as his peers. We feel this is related to the antibiotics he was given. Any tips on reversing the damage would be much appreciated.
I'm just a medical student and my knowledge is limited and I can't give medical advice, but if you want to PM me I'll be happy to share whatever limited knowledge I can in the spirit of mutual empowerment.
Most blood transfusions are caused by needlessly frequent blood draws using vacutainers that drake 50x the amount of blood needed for lab tests. Doctors know this but giving a blood transfusion helps justify the length of their stay. Blood banks know this, they make bank selling donated blood to hospitals. Hospitals make bank charging for the infusion.
That's retarded. A vacutainer is about 2-3mls. An average unit of blood is about 250ml. Unless they are pulling 80+ tubes a day, it's not affecting your H&H. Pediatric tubes suck and are more likely to produced a hemolyzed sample, requiring a redraw
Vacationers range from 3 ml to 5 ml averaging around 4 ml. When you draw A rainbow to start with, then Cardiac enzymes, q6 hours then CBC, CMP, daily various drug levels that adds up fast.
Common sense in the ICU said that we pooled blood draws and only drew as much as we needed and to call the lab to add on tests with extent blood instead of resticking people.
The studies showed a correlation between length of stay in the hospital and H&H levels and they account this to be in because of phlebotomy sticks. But, it doesn't say what contributing factors are taking into consideration (e.g.- kidney injury leads to decrease in erythropoietin production and results in decreased blood marrow production and therefore, a decreased H&H or that an increased production of inflammatory bodies from an infection can decrease RBC production).
Certainly we want to remove as little blood as possible that's needed, but there are other factors at play in determining anemia causes
That sounds pretty reasonable, and like something an astute nurse would be, but as someone who has worked ICU, Cath lab, OR, and ER as an RN, I can assure there is nothing more uncommon than common sense.
Of course it's just an anecdote, but I've known a lot of people that have been patients in the ICU, and the only ones that needed blood transfusions were with the ones with blood loss from trauma.
I had a relative that suffered trauma from her husband, and didn't realize til 2 days later when she passed out that her spleen had ruptured. She had a shitload of transfusions.
It is the most amazingly frustrating thing in the world to watch someone's H&H drop the longer they stay in the hospital. "Oh, it's dilutional," yeah sure, not if their platelets and everything else didn't go down with it. Can't believe I never thought of iatrogenic blood loss.
I don't know, I can see it. Have you ever done the math on how much blood a patient actually gives for testing during an admission?
It's more than one might think. A young patient can handle this no problem, but if you have an elderly patient who is already borderline anemic, and stick them in a hospital bed for 2 weeks, it seems to me like you could definitely pull off a lot of iron.
That's retarded. A vacutainer is about 2-3mls. An average unit of blood is about 250ml. Unless they are pulling 80+ tubes a day, it's not affecting your H&H. Pediatric tubes suck and are more likely to produced a hemolyzed sample, requiring a redraw
I worked in a hospital lab and I can tell you that you're full of shit. If anything, vacutainers kept in a walk in cooler keep patients from needing even more blood drawn.
In the case of blood draws, the volume of blood drawn is significantly increased by unnecessary testing, resulting in higher rates of hospital-acquired anemia.
Phlebotomy is highly associated with changes in hemoglobin and hematocrit levels for patients admitted to an internal medicine service and can contribute to anemia. This anemia, in turn, may have significant consequences, especially for patients with cardiorespiratory diseases. Knowing the expected changes in hemoglobin and hematocrit due to diagnostic phlebotomy will help guide when to investigate anemia in hospitalized patients.
The findings indicate that reducing blood loss from phlebotomy could limit the development and severity of hospital-acquired anemia. This could be accomplished inexpensively by using smaller blood tubes, such as those made for pediatric patients, filling standard tubes with less blood, relying more on stored serum samples, or simply reducing unnecessary, scheduled blood tests, according to the authors.
I can't reply to your new comment on my phone but I'll reply to this one
One of those articles claimed that 74ml of blood was lost to phlebotomy on average. Let's do some math. If we take an average of 5.5L of blood in circulation and we look at 74ml, that accounts for roughly 1.3% of total blood volume. Let's also say that this person has a HGB of 15g/dL. 15g/dL would mean 825 g/ 5.5L. A loss of 1.3% would be a loss of 10.7 g HGB. This would put the new total quantity of HGB at 814.3. Factored in to 5.5L, 814.3 g HGB yields a new value of 14.8g/dL. That's definitely a statistically relevant change.
I also looked for scholarly articles and I found ones refuting the claim that phlebotomy has a relevant statistical impact on H&H.
Have you ever tried to fill a pediatric tube? They have to be redrawn multiple times due to their consistent clotting halfway through the draw. Finger sticks make for poor samples. Now, there are new ways of testing that resemble glucometers that I'm all for that also use finger stick with good efficacy. I would gladly see these replace standard vacutainers.
Now, there are new ways of testing that resemble glucometers that I'm all for that also use finger stick with good efficacy. I would gladly see these replace standard vacutainers.
Yea, but most hospitals don't want to buy new equipment when what they have is working.
Further, anemia isn't even recommended to be treated by transfusion until it drops below something like 7 g/dL because of the risks associated with transfusion. The hospital blood bank does not send that many units to the floor.
Further, anemia isn't even recommended to be treated by transfusion until it drops below something like 7 g/dL because of the risks associated with transfusion.
At the two places I worked we transfused at 8.5
The hospital blood bank does not send that many units to the floor.
There are not 36,000 stabbings, shootings, and car wrecks every day in the US. These are mostly units of blood going to people who's H/H got low because of phlebotomy.
Surgeries? In 2009, there were 48 million inpatient surgeries performed. Don't know how much that number has risen in nearly a decade. That's 131,506 inpatient surgeries per day. You don't think a large part of that 36,000 comes from surgeries that require blood products?
That statistic means that, on average, each acute care hospital in the US would transfuse 6 patients daily, not differentiating for quantity of beds.
I've worked as a circulator nurse in the OR, there are very few types of surgeries where blood loss is significant, when we do orthopedic surgeries we have surgical tourniquets. It is still the phlebotomy. I've already provided you links showing you it is the phlebotomy.
Peer reviewed isn't worth a damn in science. Do you want me to link you the studies on that topic?
I will concede that, with new information that was not presented in your articles, intensive care patients do lose enough blood to cause iatrogenic anemia.
"Wisser et al [4] found that in an unselected in-patient population of 2654 at a single German hospital, 95 % of patients suffered total blood loss during their hospital stay of <200 mL, which they suggest is clinically insignificant.
The remaining 5 % (all intensive care patients) had total losses of greater than 200 mL and 0.7 % had losses in excess of 600 mL during their stay in intensive care."
"Packed red blood cell transfusion is usually required when the patients become symptomatic or when hemoglobin level is less than 7 g/dL, depending upon comorbid diseases. Blood products transfusion has the risks, including infectious and noninfectious complications [4–6]. Several strategies have been proposed in an attempt to reduce the risk of anemia due to phlebotomy, such as utilizing smaller volume blood tubes for diagnostic testing. However, there is limited research investigating whether a reduction in the size of the phlebotomy tube will reduce the incidence of anemia...
Using smaller volume tubes for BMP, which constituted only 11% of blood draws in this institution, did not significantly affect the drop of hemoglobin."
I will concede that, with new information that was not presented in your articles, intensive care patients do lose enough blood to cause iatrogenic anemia.
Thompson attempted to notify his superior at the time, Julie Gerberding:
In 2004, whistleblower Thompson wrote her a letter, in which he warned her that he had sensitive and troubling data about the MMR vaccine’s connection to autism. He was shortly due to present the data at a major vaccine/autism conference.
Apparently, Gerberding didn’t answer the letter, and Thompson’s presentation was canceled.
After Gerberding left the CDC in 2009, she ascended to the position of president of Merck Vaccines. Merck manufactures the MMR vaccine. Get the picture?
Interestingly, in December of 2014, Merck removed Gerberding from her august position and placed her in a new role, a role that never existed within the company before: executive vice-president for “strategic communications, global public policy and population health.”
Did Merck make this move to shield Gerberding, to protect her from a possible scandal tying her to the 2004 MMR-autism fraud at the CDC? If there is a Congressional hearing, will Gerberding be conveniently unavailable because she is overseas tending to her new international duties at Merck?
For example, Peter Doshi wrote a particularly damning analysis for the journal BMJ Online (December 2005), stating:
“[According to CDC statistics], ‘influenza and pneumonia’ took 62,034 lives in 2001—61,777 of which were attributable to pneumonia and 257 to flu, and in only 18 cases was the flu virus positively identified.”
The CDC created one category that combines both flu and pneumonia deaths, assuming that the pneumonia deaths are complications stemming from the flu.
This is an absurd assumption. Pneumonia has a number of causes. But even worse, in all the 2001 flu and pneumonia deaths, only 18 revealed the presence of an influenza virus. Therefore, the CDC couldn’t truthfully say that more than 18 people died of influenza in 2001. Not 36,000 deaths, the usual PR statistic. 18 deaths.
Doshi continued his assessment of published CDC flu-death statistics:
Between 1979 and 2001, [CDC] data show an average of 1348 [flu] deaths per year (range 257 to 3006).” These figures refer to flu separated out from pneumonia.
This death toll is obviously far lower than the parroted 36,000 figure. But it would drop much lower, if you added the need to confirm the presence of a flu virus in those cases.
Nursing student who has worked for 5 years as a PCT here: I never got the flu shot until hospitals required them, and it still pisses me off.
1.) if a patient is admitted with the flu, I am required to wear a gown, gloves, mask, and sometimes face sheild to care for them. Why would I have to wear all that if the flu shot is effective?
2.) why do I have to get the flu shot if I am going to be wearing all of this PPE anyway? I am exposed to way more infectious diseases on a regular basis than the flu, yet have never caught any of them or spread them to someone I know.
3.) the flu vaccine can cause guillain burre syndrome which paralyzes your entire body, I've had about a dozen patients in the past year with this disease, a few of which were confirmed to be from the vaccine
4.) the flu shot isn't even effective statistically, and one year was only 6% effective
I am totally for vaccinating against deadly or debilitating diseases, but the flu is not one of them.
Just because you've had the flu shot doesn't mean you won't get the flu. You should know this if you are in nursing school. That's like saying you won't die in a car accident if you are wearing a seatbelt.
Maybe the flu shot isn't about the flu at all? Maybe it is a vehicle for testing things. Especially now as easily as big data can track your health and everything else about your lifestyle, it would be the perfect vector for human experimentation.
Well, it is a vehicle for testing things. Among other things, testing theories and techniques for achieving compliance with advertised messages. (It being a yearly campaign with very similar goals and execution every year, it is an ideal experimental platform for developing the field of propaganda.)
Check out the Simpsonwood Transcript where a conference of scientists got together to discuss mercury in vaccines (because of the amount of reports from their patients) since the levels exceed safe levels (any amount shot into the blood stream does). http://skeptico.blogs.com/Simpsonwood_Transcript.pdf
This conference is what "helped" remove mercury from (most) vaccines and replaced it with aluminium (because of their findings and debate). Aluminium is no better and there have been no tests that show the effect both mercury and aluminium have on the body with combined.
Cancer can be cured naturally by using cannabis oil [combined with a plant-based diet].
US6630507 - US patent for cannabiniods
US 20130059018 - Phytocannabinoids in the treatment of cancer
Patent number cancer cure + linked with pharma
All children presented with acute flaccid paralysis of one or more limbs that reached peak severity within 48 hours of onset...All had been previously vaccinated against polio-virus.
The oral polio vaccine was given to Indian children, despite the fact that in the US, the CDC had dropped the OPV from its vaccine schedule because it was causing polio.
According to Neetu Vashisht and Jacob Puliyel at St. Stephens Hospital in Delhi:
The charade about polio eradication and the great savings it will bring has persisted to date. It is a paradox that while the director general of WHO and Bill Gates are trying to muster support for polio eradication it has been known to the scientific community, for over 10 years, that eradication of polio is impossible.
This is because in 2002 scientists had synthesized a chemical called poliovirus in a test-tube with the empirical formula C332,652H492,388N98,245O131,196P7, 501S2,340. It has been demonstrated that by positioning the atoms in sequence, a particle can emerge with all the properties required for its proliferation and survival in nature.
…while India has been polio-free for a year, there has been a huge increase in non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP). In 2011, there were an extra 47,500 new cases of NPAFP.
Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received. Though this data was collected within the polio surveillance system, it was not investigated. The principle of primum-non-nocere [First, do no harm] was violated.
The 47500 cases of polio link doesn't work anymore, and it was removed from the Indian Journal of Medical Ethics (my usual link for showing people http://www.issuesinmedicalethics.org/202co114.html) after the Ivory Tower applied pressure.
while India has been polio-free for a year, there has been a huge increase in non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP). In 2011, there were an extra 47,500 new cases of NPAFP. Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received.
“In 1976, Dr. Jonas Salk, creator of the killed-virus vaccine used in the 1950s, testified that the live-virus vaccine (used almost exclusively in the U.S. from the early 1960s to 2000) was the ‘principal if not sole cause’ of all reported polio cases in the U.S. since 1961 [44]. (The virus remains in the throat for one to two weeks and in the feces for up to two months. Thus, vaccine recipients are at risk, and can potentially spread the disease, as long as fecal excretion of the virus continues [45].) In 1992, the Federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) published an admission that the live-virus vaccine had become the dominant cause of polio in the United States [36]. In fact, according to CDC figures, every case of polio in the U.S. since 1979 was caused by the oral polio vaccine [36]. Authorities claim the vaccine was responsible for about eight cases of polio every year [46]. However, an independent study that analyzed the government’s own vaccine database during a recent period of less than five years uncovered 13,641 reports of adverse events following use of the oral polio vaccine. These reports included 6,364 emergency room visits and 540 deaths (Figure 3) [47,48]. Public outrage at these tragedies became the impetus for removing the oral polio vaccine from immunization schedules [36:568;37;38].” http://www.4thmedia.org/2013/05/bill-and-melinda-gates-polio-vaccine-caused-47500-cases-of-paralysis-and-death/
The tale of Judyth Vary Baker is about as extraordinary as they come. Her story starts with a book by Edward Haslam called *Dr. Mary's Monkey: How the Unsolved Murder of a Doctor, a Secret Laboratory in New Orleans and Cancer-Causing Monkey Viruses are Linked to Lee Harvey Oswald, the JFK Assassination and Emerging Global Epidemics.
Haslam tells a riveting detective-like tale that spans numerous decades, resulting in the publishing of his first book on the subject, "Mary, Ferrie and the Monkey Virus".
After Judyth went public in 1999, Haslam rewrote the book (as he finally had the witness for his theories that he had been lacking) and released it as "Dr. Mary's Monkey".
Haslam focuses on the macabre and unsolved murder of prominent orthopedic surgeon and cancer researcher Dr. Mary Stults Sherman.
Sherman's body was discovered in 1964 in her apartment in New Orleans. However, the precise nature of her death wasn't released to the public for over 30 years.
It was prematurely concluded that the killing was the work of a "sex-crazed lesbian" who conveniently was never found. Not surprisingly, it was never released to the public that Dr. Sherman's entire arm and right side were missing, exposing her insides.
A superficial mattress fire in the apartment was blamed for her severe injuries, even though temperatures of thousands of degrees would be necessary to locally disintegrate flesh and bone while leaving the rest of her body intact.
In addition, Dr. Sherman's heart and liver were stabbed, and the heart wound was inflicted while she was still alive. Curiously, her death occurred on the same morning that the Warren Commission first began taking witness testimony.
Haslam argues that Dr. Sherman was engaged in a top secret project, ostensibly run by the well-known researcher and surgeon Alton Ochsner, and included the young Judyth Baker, David Ferrie, and Lee Harvey Oswald.
Dr. Ochsner, who was fiercely anti-Communist, had ties to the CIA, FBI, and even the Mafia, and was part of the very real effort at the time to remove Castro from power, by any means necessary.
It's well known that elements of the CIA and Mafia were actively engaged in trying to kill Castro. Their main concern was that a violent death could ultimately be traced to US intelligent agencies, potentially resulting in World War III.
Eventually, more stealthy approach was attempted: perfect a cancer-causing bio-weapon to take out Castro. Although cancer-causing viruses can been discovered a decade earlier, the public was still mostly in the dark about these discoveries, so "inducing" cancer in an individual was still considered to be in the realm of science fiction.
Dr. Sherman was actively involved with this project, as well as the one of the most enigmatic figures in JFK assassination lore, David Ferrie. Ferrie is perhaps most known today as being the first suspect of Jim Garrison's infamous investigation into Kennedy's death.
Amazingly, Garrison revealed in an interview with Playboy that he suspected David Ferrie and Dr. Sherman were somehow involved in a secret cancer project, however that little tidbit has largely been forgotten, and it seems even Garrison himself never realized the implications of this connection.
In addition to being a defrocked priest and a pilot for the CIA and Carlos Marcello (the Mafia king of New Orleans), Ferrie just happened to be involved with Dr. Mary Sherman, one of the most prestigious female scientists in the country.
Ferrie had allegedly developed an interest in cancer research. He filled his apartment with white mice--at one point he had almost 2000, and neighbors complained--and he wrote a medical treatise on the subject and worked with a number of New Orleans doctors on different means of inducing cancer in mice.
He also lost all of his hair, and in light of his curious hobbies, this may have been the result of his dabbling with toxic chemicals. He was found dead only days after Garrison first accused him of being connected to the JFK assassination.
Eventually the bio-weapon was more or less perfected, and it was subsequently successfully tested on (at least) one inmate at a nearby facility. The subject died in 28 days. However, it seems that their efforts were too little and too late, for the coalescence of interests that wanted to remove Castro from power had completely changed their directive and focused their sights on Kennedy instead.
According to Baker, David Ferrie and Dr. Sherman were under the impression that they needed to hurry and created the weapon before their superiors got impatient and killed Kennedy instead.
Lee Harvey Oswald was allegedly involved, but more in the capacity of running errands and doing some of the dirty work, as he killed and dissected the cancerous tumors on the experimental mice on several occasions.
Baker, although very young, had already established herself in the field of cancer research. While still in high school, she had induced cancer in mice faster than any public research being done at the time (one week). She attracted the attention of numerous prominent people, including Dr. Oschner, and she soon found herself being trained at the prestigious Roswell Park Memorial Institute in 1961.
Baker and Lee Harvey Oswald were hired on the same day at Standard Coffee, and then one week later they both were moved to Reilly. Their jobs at Reilly Coffee were covers for their actual activities. Baker, as the secretary, was responsible for clocking Oswald out to cover up his extended absences, she still has numerous time cards for Lee with her initial "J" on the front.
Anna Lewis, who was married to David Lewis, another well-known figure in JFK assassination lore, is perhaps the last living person who has gone on record saying she saw Judyth and Lee together and that they were lovers. Here is a video of Anna Lewis.
As for when things went wrong, Baker claims that a letter she passionately wrote to Dr. Ochsner doomed her future career in the medical world.
She had been extremely upset when she discovered that the "volunteer" the weapon was tested on wasn't a terminally ill inmate as she had been told, but a perfectly healthy young man.
Unfortunately for Baker, the letter she wrote to Ochsner ended up in the hands of his secretary, violating the secrecy of the "Project". This infuriated Ochsner and he abruptly terminated his relationship with her. According to Judyth, her promising career was destroyed forever.
After the project unraveled, Oswald (an intelligence asset) began to suspect he was being set up as a patsy for Kennedy's death, but that he believed himself to be part of a team that was going to try and "prevent" the assassination in Dallas.
According to Baker, Oswald stated that his presence in Dallas meant that one less bullet would be fired at Kennedy. She also claims to have met Jack Ruby, who was introduced to her as "Sparky Rubinstein" and she was unaware until decades later that Sparky was the one who killed Oswald.
Ruby was actually friends with Oswald who had known him since Oswald was a kid. Oswald's mother, who was adamant that her son was a government agent and also framed for Kennedy's death, dated numerous Mafia men, including Carlos Marcello's personal driver, so Oswald had ties to the Mafia from a young age.
It's also been alleged that Ruby called the police station where Oswald would be killed and warned them that an attempt would be made on his life.
Ruby's fate, however, was anything but merciless, as he died of an extremely aggressive form of lung cancer shortly after his incarceration. To make matters even more bizarre, Ruby actually claimed to have been injected with cancer while in prison to silence him!
This was during a time when such a notion was considered ludicrous by the general population, but it fits rather ominously into Haslam's and Baker's narrative.
It's possible that Ruby knew of Dr. Sherman's project, as well as being aware of exactly how they induced the cancer: the subject would be submitted to high doses of radiation with an X-ray machine to compromise the immune system and then a series of painful shots would be administered to begin the process.
Ruby received this X-ray treatment in jail and then received several shots from a mysterious doctor (who was from out of town). When Ruby's cancer was examined after his death, it was observed to be an extremely aggressive form of lung cancer.
For more information on Judyth Baker and her story, she is featured in part 8 of the excellent series The Men Who Killed Kennedy.
60 Minutes was once set to release a special on Baker, but an order was given to immediately stop production on the segment and it was never completed.
According to Haslam, the frustrated 60 Minutes team told him that they had spent more money and time on this story than any in the history of the program.
Check out Guns and Butter, the host does an amazing job in her interviews and is very knowledgeable. She had Judyth on her show a bit ago and they go through all this in their talk:
The ultimate medical conspiracy is the historical fact that it has, for thousands of years, increased death rates while reducing birth rates and lifespan. For Pre 20th century medicine our modern official consensus recognizes this.
Lmao that's not a defense for homeopathy, scrutinise the medical world all you want but homeopathy is straight up quack science and does literally no good for you.
This is such a fallacy, I personally believe in medicine but if you think it's harmful that's your perogative. My only confusion is how that justifies homeopathy - even if medicine is harmful, how is literal superstition any better.
Find an alternative medicine with ACTUAL science behind it like drinking green tea and excercising regularly or some shit, don't use homeopathy and don't encourage others to do so, it's just misinformation.
I personally believe in medicine as well, but I have no illusions over how harmful medicine was in the 1750s when homeopathy was invented. Considering that medical errors are the 3rd leading cause of death, I think some concern about modern medicine is more than warranted.
If a serious medical error hasn't happened to you that's fine, that's your prerogative. However, I work in hospitals and I personally think you should be a little more wary.
You're misunderstanding them. They aren't defending homeopathy, they're saying if homeopathy does nothing -- which you agree with -- and the medical treatment does actual harm, then you're better off doing nothing, i.e. homeopathy.
What I like to remind people is that the word Pharmacy is derived from the word Farm, where back in the good old days, the remedies were found at the local farm to help the sick and ill... I see eyes brows raised when I mention this.
Again work in Health Care, the amount of people i see carrying in a bag of medications, I mean some people are taking 10-18 different meds, all mainly Medicare / Medicaid / Tricare insured patients. These people are so fucked up they believe they are lucky to be over treated and the hands of Doctors who are pushed by the Pharmaceutical companies.
In health care as well. 18 meds is common, double that is common. Most of the chronic disease we see can and should be treated with food first, medications last, but almost never are.
Phenomenal facts showing that modern medicine is the greatest cause of death. ER situations are great, but most all else is garbage that causes more harm than good.
Just learned about this one in school. Medical errors are absolutely terrifying, but we really are doing everything we can to prevent them and change the system to help prevent them too. These errors are made by the actual healthcare providers and not big corporations, so it is something that will be fixed, as those who provide healthcare USUALLY actually care about the patients and their well being.
These errors are made by the actual healthcare providers and not big corporations, so it is something that will be fixed, as those who provide healthcare USUALLY actually care about the patients and their well being.
If it was up the providers, there would be no errors at all.
Being the No. 3 cause of death I rather let an AI to check my vitals, body and give me a diagnosis than a physician (maybe even surgery one day). Don't get me wrong, some people really care and work an insane amount of hours, but i'm pragmatic about results.
Wouldn’t this number be inflated anyway though? I have no numbers or data for this, but anecdotally, if someone has an illness or injury that would kill them, and they get treatment, more often than not the treatment would work out and they wouldn’t die, so it drastically lowers death rates of the disease. But if there’s complications and the person dies, no matter what the disease or injury was, they would all be grouped as medical errors? I’ve also thought that saying cancer is the top cause of death is just as disingenuous, because there are hundreds of different types of cancers that arise for thousands of different and very complex reasons that have both environmental or genetic origins (or both). Cancer is just the big overarching term for when your cells forget how to kill themselves and keep multiplying, but it’s not one disease, it’s more like a characteristic symptom
https://youtu.be/dhB0aFm6MP4
This is worth a listen when you have time to spare.
The 1964 murder of a nationally known cancer researcher sets the stage for this gripping expos of medical professionals enmeshed in covert government operations over the course of three decades. Following a trail of police records, FBI files, cancer statistics, and medical journals, this revealing book presents evidence of a web of medical secret-keeping that began with the handling of evidence in the JFK assassination and continued apace, sweeping doctors into coverups of cancer outbreaks, contaminated polio vaccine, the arrival of the AIDS virus, and biological weapon research using infected monkeys.
How about the meme going around with ten mass shooters (including the newest addition), blaming psychotropic drugs instead of strictly pharmaceuticals for the shootings.
Anyone know what non-pharmaceutical is also a psychotropic? That's right, kids. Cannabis.
I'm indicating that public opinion is up for grabs, and the meme or memes I'm referring to are telling people that psychotropics (like cannabis) are the cause, rather than identifying the drugs responsible as pharmaceuticals.
Da fuck is wrong with your reading comprehension, boy?
For those unfamiliar with this topic, he's referring to Royal Rife who invented an extremely powerful microscope in the 1930's and claimed to be able to use frequency to "weaken or destroy pathogens by energetically exciting destructive resonances in their constituent chemicals."
Unfortunately for Rife, the scientific establishment in the 1940's and 50's was even more entrenched and close-minded than even today:
Rife blamed the scientific rejection of his claims on a conspiracy involving the American Medical Association (AMA), the Department of Public Health, and other elements of "organized medicine", which had "brainwashed and intimidated" his colleagues.
I was a biomedical equipment tech 15 years ago. I kept up with some of the new equipment manufacturers were trying to patent. Bayer was trying to make a machine that vibrated organs to a specific frequency that was their natural "healthy" frequency. In essence, a rife machine. It never came out.
Maybe. Vibration therapy is used by therapist.
Sorry this might be a little long. I accidentally may have found a frequency that seems to have ended my FMS overnight.
I have had chronic achy pain for 40 years. Not joints just fascia. I literally thought everyone hurt until sitting in a class on fibromyalgia while in school. I never responded well to meds ( or wasn't willing to put up with the side effects). I usually took a tramadol & just kept moving.
2/16 I ended chemo and started a drug that gave me joint pain for the first time ever. 12 months later I stopped it almost unable to walk.
My son races cars and we had just bought a large car hauler. Because I could not sleep I climbed into a little bed over the generator . I slept the first time for 10 hrs. When I woke up something was different. The achy pain was gone. A very strange feeling since I live with it everyday.
It took 4 months to get the other medicine out of my system and get rid of the joint pain but the familiar aching has really never returned. Sometimes I actually missed it because it was apart of me. I have laid on it a couple of times since but really just because. I have had another reaction to a different medicine so I have about given up on all of them. I have told several drs and they don't know what to think except not to stop. These are drs. That know my history and now I have stopped all but reflux medicine. I was taking meds for chronic migraines but have since stopped them with no problem. ( 20 or so a month). I hope this wasn't confusing. I wish I knew how to tell what frequency it is.
I literally thought everyone hurt until sitting in a class on fibromyalgia while in school. I never responded well to meds ( or wasn't willing to put up with the side effects). I usually took a tramadol & just kept moving. 2/16 I ended chemo and started a drug that gave me joint pain for the first time ever. 12 months later I stopped it almost unable to walk. My son races cars and we had just bought a large car hauler. Because I could not sleep I climbed into a little bed over the generator . I slept the first time for 10 hrs. When I woke up something was different. The achy pain was gone. A very strange feeling since I live with it everyday. It took 4 months to get the other medicine out of my system and get rid of the joint pain but the familiar aching has really never returned.
Mate! That's an amazing story ... imho you should do an IaMA or something about it ... I think you're correct in 'guessing' a 'connection' between that generator's effect on you and it would be well worth seeing if anyone else has had a similar experience
Sometimes I actually missed it because it was apart of me.
Lol, I actually know what you mean! I had a terrible back pain for over a decade which was 'cured' with surgery, and I too kindof 'missed it' when it was gone, as, it was a 'part of me/my day' and affected everything I did! IME people who 'feel this way' have been through a 'personal hell' and escaping from it seems kind of 'surreal' ... like something's missing! Which it is!
I guess that's another demonstration of how well we/our bodies can adapt to all sorts of things
Yes that is how I feel. I have hurt for 40+ years but really felt lucky that I never had joint pain and I was so use to it that things like childbirth was snap.
It is really strange for it to be gone. What is an IME. I don't really know much about Reddit. But their is a therapist here in town doing vibration therapy but it is standing and at 20 minute intervals.
Everybody knows this by now, Cannabis was recognized as medicine by experts in the 1880's.
From Dr. Beard (1889):
HEADACHE: I have myself been a frequent sufferer from this disease,
and have experimented thoroughly on myself and on others
with nearly all of the well-known remedies and systems of treatment.
My conclusion is, that sick headache is much more relievable and curable
than is commonly supposed.
Almost all cases can be relieved in less than ten hours, sometimes
in half an hour.
The disease is a very common one. It visits nearly every household.
It is, moreover, a disease that patients are usually obliged to treat themselves.
The plan of treatment which I propose, and which I usually
find more or less successful, is as follows:
Begin treatment early, before the disease is at its height.
This rule is as important in the treatment of sick headache as in
the treatment of a common cold. (See Common Cold.) Commence
treatment as soon as you suspect that an attack is coming on.
Some persons can foretell when they are to have an attack for
several hours in advance; others have very little warning.
Take 1 or 2 grains (.06 or .12 gram) of citrate of caffeine
dry on the tongue. Repeat the dose in half an hour if there is no
relief. Some can bear 3 or 4 grains (.18 or .24 gram) at a dose.
Begin with moderate doses.
This is a wonderful remedy for sick headache. I have called
the attention of many physicians to this, and their results confirm
mine. Caffeine is easy to take, is not unpleasant, is not dangerous
in moderate doses. It is the active principle common to coffee,
tea, chocolate, and guarana. It acts in some cases, when just the
proper dose is taken, with magical power. The only objection
to its use is that it keeps one awake if taken late in the evening.
One can take it and go right on about the routine of business.
Take a pill of cannabis indica (Indian hemp), ½ or 1/3 of a grain
(.03 or .02 gram). Repeat in half an hour if necessary, or double
the dose.
This remedy sometimes succeeds when caffeine fails, or when
caffeine has worn out its virtue by long use.
The following pill :
Extract of cannabis indica, ½ drachm (2 grams),
" "guarana, 1 ½ scruple (1.87 gram),
Citrate of caffeine, 1 drachm (4 grams),
Mix, and make into sixty pills.
DOSE. -Take one pill and repeat the dose in one hour if necessary.
TL:DR
I present this as evidence of medical corruption coming from outside the community of Doctors; their recommendations sidelined by conspiratorial agenda. While I know this is mainstream now, it remains clear evidence that severe Medical Conspiracy occurred, and thus, probably is occurring.
Around the same time (1895), Bayer were marketing diacetylmorphine as Heroin for use as a cough suppressant, and claimed it to be a "non-addictive morphine substitute". For obvious reasons, Heroin is no longer used as an anti-tussive.
I do believe that cannabis likely has wide range of medical applications (particularly for pain relief), and more research should be done and made available, but I don't think a recommendation from 1889 is particularly strong evidence (at least on its own).
You are right, I would not want many treatments mentioned in that (1889) book. Being pre-antbiotics, he often mentions "try this and if that fails, then maybe this..."
My point as it applies to the topic is that there was (a now famous) medical blackout of Cannabis-as-medicine in the 20th Century.
Dr. Beard further comments that headache affects "every household" and that people are "obliged to treat themselves".
So, we have had a hundred years of "take an aspirin and call me in the morning" (Bayer again!) When it would have been "take a cannabis pill...", unless of course it is discovered to fail it's hype!
The Dark Secret of the MIT Science Club for Children
In the late 1940s, Boyce was one of some 90 children, most of whom were classified as “feeble-minded,” selected by MIT to be used as test subjects. With offers of free meals and Boston Red Sox tickets, they’d been coaxed to join a “Science Club” without knowing that their inclusion would make them guinea pigs for various radiation-laden nutrition studies funded by Quaker Oats.
the plane then changed hands to Chicago investment banker John W Rogers, who registers it under his Defense firm Volant Inc that reads like a CIA spook outfit. Its my belief that USH inc may be a psy ops project.
The Volants are different tho. I saw this in another thread. One was Volant LLC and one was Volant, Inc or some shit. One is a defense company and one is unknown
Health is perhaps the most important topic to discuss. I may have started my journey through Mythology and Cosmology, but it seems that all truth seekers end up going down the Health rabbit-hole at some point. It's important for every type of person and in the end, being healthy and preventing disease with proper diet, exercise, spirituality, de-stressing/being happy, enough sleep and having purpose are key to being an efficient and authentic human being.
Banks is an M.D. and Duesberg is a molecular biology professor.
Tim Kelly interviewed Banks in February 2016. It is one of his first interviews where he really started to get his mojo.
I am agnostic on who is right but it is telling that mainstream opinion is these people are kooks who deserve to be ignored. They are both obviously expert and they would be engaged if the Be Powers were not utterly corrupt.
No Letrozole. It is a hormone blocker and the they gave me Plaquenil to help with those side effects and it caused a whole new set up problems. 1 month no meds I am almost normal.
Has anyone here had experiences with depression meds and anti-depressant apathy disorder? (I think that is what it’s called but it has been a while since I’ve looked it up.) I personally believe that I suffered from this but I haven’t found too much info on it.
I’m not really sure what I believe as far as a conspiracy goes with this, and while I do think that some people do need antidepressants and benefit from them, I find it sketchy that so many people report having to go through cycles of their meds not working anymore and then having to start on something else. It almost looks like an endless, hopeless cycle of meds that someone is making a lot of money off of.
Not an anti-depressant, but Adderall (for ADD). It made me mean! And I'm a very nice person in real life. But it made me agitated and aggravated. I would verbally pick fights (and I never do that!). I finally figured out it was the medication and stopped taking it. After 3 days it was out of my system and I was back to my nice self again.
Paul Joseph Watson discussing depression with kickboxing world champion Andrew Tate: https://youtu.be/Wvvz4h_ZgdI
It is my belief that many people go through tragic events and must go through the process of grief and healing. Speaking from experience, you never really fully heal but there are comforts in (at least in my world view) knowing that there is more than this material plane. They are always with you, this I know.
What the medical establishment tries to do is become a middle-man of grief by selling you a false remedy. One that numbs you to the pain or clouds the mind of the memories. This counterfeit elixir not only robs you of your senses, but of the lessons you are here to learn. Walk bravely into the epic you chose. A flat line is not life. There are peaks and valleys.
So true that you have to grieve and medication robs you of that lesson. I have a personal theory that this is why the veterans of the Viet Nam War are the most connected to the debilitating PTSD. They used opium heavily throughout their trauma and therefore never processed it properly.
Sugar industry paid off scientists to downplay the dangers of sugar and vilified fat as the culprit and we all ended up obese with type II and heart disease.
It's absurd. I am of the belief that many of these suicides are caused from side effects from pharmaceuticals. "Suicidal ideation" is among the side effects.
Looking back on my time in the Army I'm starting to feel pretty sure that we were being given HGH and steroids. I went in at age 20 and grew about an inch and a half and went from sort of skinny-fat to jacked in 2.5 years with very little physical exercise outside the normal morning callisthenics's which was heavily weighted toward running.
Having a few symptoms later in life too that resemble what a steroid user would have although I've never knowingly done a steroid. It wouldn't be the first time the USA gave something to soldiers without their knowledge.
I'm sure my long term health is sacrifice that my superiors were willing to make to have jacked, quick healing, abnormally violent 'supersoldiers'. Wondering if anyone else in the service in the 90's looking back on it thinks this might be the case.
It has amazing insights on the experimental vaccines used on army personnel. It discusses how the suits they were given had vulnerabilities that let in toxins.
I once heard that blood is big business. We donate it for free, but insurance companies pay out the ass for it when people need transfusions, so someone is making a lot of money on free blood.
AIDS research has failed because it has never really found the cause.
Over 100,000 research papers published on HIV/AIDS and there was no direct proof that HIV causes AIDS. It took less money and scientific talent to land on the moon. We have spent over 40 Billion (1995, time of this movie) dollars already.
What exactly is killing the T-Cells that allow opportunistic infections in?
Who was first to say it was even a retrovirus? Dr. Robert Gallo. He failed to prove retroviruses caused cancer in his previous decades work. Also he had NOT submitted his test results (for HIV/AIDS) for peer review before an important conference telling the world that it was HIV that causes AIDS. Added to that, The Institute Pasteur in Paris claimed that Gallo's "AIDS" Virus was actually their discovery (LAV) they sent him 6 months prior to a conference in 1984. Dr. Luc Montagnier (who discovered HIV) has even stated "HIV might be benign."
April 23 1984;
The press conference that invented the aids virus. It was also stated they would have a cure within two (1986) years. As the Press conference was going on... ...the blood test used to detect HIV was being patented, which would earn large royalties for Gallo and his ilk.
The previously mentioned test results were then published a week after this conference in Science magazine. When it was more thoroughly examined, "Only 44 of 93 AIDS patients tested had the virus (HIV) ~ less than half" Yet, Gallo claims in "further studies he could find HIV in 90% of AIDS patients tested."
Dr. Peter Duesberg Ph D of Berkley (considered by some, the foremost retrovirus analyzer - first to map genomes of virus' etc) in 1987 put out a review claiming HIV is not causing AIDS. He also claimed HIV is an old harmless virus that has been in humans for centuries. Nobel Prize winners Dr. Walter Gilbert and Dr. Kary Mullis also question the validity of HIV = AIDS.
Several of these men and women formed The Group for Scientific Reappraisal of the HIV/AIDS Hypothesis. The letter they sent was rejected by Nature Magazine, the New England Journal, JAMA and The Lancet. It was only four sentances long.
"It is widely believed by the general public that a retrovirus called HIV causes a group of diseases called AIDS. Many bio-medical scientists now question this hypothesis. We propose a thorough reappraisal of the existing evidence for and against this hypothesis be conducted by a suitable independent group. We further propose that critical epidemiological studies by devised and undertaken." The Group for Scientific Reappraisal of the HIV/AIDS Hypothesis
After it was rejected, the Group obtained more than the ten to 12 original signatures - it jumped to 30, than 50, 100, and than 600 (188 of which had advanced degrees). They have a website and newsletter of their own, but this Group is ignored by the media and publishers of mainstream magazines.
10 Scientific reason why HIV does not cause AIDS;
1) HIV (like any other viruses) is harmless after antibody immunity. The HIV test searches for the antibodies that are produced to subdue HIV. When a person tests positive to HIV they are immune to the Virus at this point. "There is no known diseases that ever reemerge to cause the illness after the antibodies have done their job."
2) HIV does not kill the T-Cells it infects. HIV researchers use T-Cells to grow the Virus because T-Cells live compatibly with HIV. Retroviruses (unlike animal and other known viruses) do not kill cells, ever.
3) HIV does not infect enough T-Cells to cause AIDS. HIV only infects 1 out of 1,000 T-Cells (and sometimes 1 out of 100,000). T-Cells can reproduce at the rate of 5% per day. HIV cannot infect enough T-Cells to completely shift the balance. Simple math~
4) HIV has no AIDS causing gene. HIV has no unique reason to cause AIDS. All retroviruses have only three major genes; GAG, ENV and POL and only six minor genes. 50-100 different retroviruses infect every healthy human body. All are kept under control by the antibodies. "HIV behaves no differently than other retroviruses."
*5) There is no such thing as a slow virus. HIV is said to take 10-12 years after infection to cause AIDS. This would give HIV "magical abilities" such as; Reactivating, Mutating, Migrating and Hibernating. A retrovirus has effects within days, or weeks (at the most 3 weeks) - all of them, including HIV. It is impossible for HIV to take 10-12 years to activate and cause AIDS.
6) HIV is not a new virus, so it could not cause a "new" epidemic. Aids cases have increased from 0 (1980) to half a million (1996). It must be a new infection to cause the recent AIDS epidemic. Essential Logic: How old is HIV? and where does it come from? HIV is old (older than America) and should not create an epidemic now. HIV has been passed down through every generation for centuries without causing AIDS.
7) HIV fails Kock's Postulates...which "are four criteria designed to establish a causal relationship between a causative microbe (HIV) and a disease (AIDS)."
The organism must;
1. ...be Found in all Cases of the Disease.
10-20% of AIDS patients have no HIV at all.
Only tiny amounts of the dormant virus are found.
2. ...be Isolated from the Host and Grown in Pure Culture.
3. ...Cause the Same Disease when injected into a new healthy host.
Health care workers accidently infected rarely get AIDS unless they use recreational drugs and AZT (their cure...).
4. ...Must be Found Growing Again in the Newly-Diseased Host.
8) AIDS has remained in it's original risk groups for over 12 years... when an epidemic strikes it affects small groups and then multiplies to the rest. If a disease does not spread...it must be caused by something non-infectious. AIDS Risk groups:
Homosexual Males 62%
IV Drug Users 32%
Hemophiliacs 1%
Transfusion Patients 2%
Total 97%
If AIDS is truly caused by a Virus...AIDS patients not in the Risk Groups above should be growing above the remaining 3%. AIDS has failed to spread to the female population also. HIV Tests on US Army recruits from 1985-1996 show a spread of 50/50. Yet 9 out of 10 who develop AIDS is Male. More than half of the woman (and 80% of males) with AIDS use IV Drugs. AIDS seems to be more related to behaviour and certain medical risks than it is to HIV infection.
9) The international profile of AIDS patients is inconsistent. Germ-related diseases affect the same demographics world-wide. This is not the case when American and African results were concluded;
America: 90% Male 10% Female (97% in Risk Groups)
Africa: 50% Male 50% Female (No Risk Groups)
AIDS hits harder in industrialized nations (America and Europe) because it is believed that more IV Drug use is rampant. Dr. Duesberg even believes that the AIDS strain in Africa is a different one than in America. "Different as day and night."
Philippe Krynem (French Humanitarian) posted in the London Sunday Times (October 3, 1993) "There is no AIDS, it is something that has been invented." After spending time in the so-called "epicenter" of the AIDS epidemic in Africa.
10) AIDS occurs without HIV infection. Most people with HIV never develop AIDS. "The evidence in support of HIV is based solely on correlation." Correlation does not prove causation. If HIV is a harmless passenger Virus we should see: "People with AIDS not infected with HIV" and "People with HIV who are healthy and do not get AIDS." That is exactly what is happening. There are 4,621 (in 1993) documented cases where patients with AIDS do not have HIV.
Kaposi Sarcoma + HIV = AIDS
Kaposi Sarcoma - HIV = Kaposi Sarcoma
Pneumonia + HIV = AIDS
Pneumonia - HIV = Pneumonia
Dementia + HIV = AIDS
Dementia - HIV = Dementia
This is their definition. If you have HIV with a certain disease, you have AIDS, if HIV is not present - it's the fault of the original disease. There is no HIV specific disease anywhere. Such a joke. This definition of AIDS "creates a near 100% correlation between the virus and AIDS." "This 'correlation' is not objective, or scientific and is deceptively self-fulfilling."
~ as of 1993
Estimate of Total HIV infected: 28,000,000?
Total of Officially reported AIDS cases 1,393,649 (5%)
HIV Infected without AIDS: 95%
*Estimated *Total Aids cased: 7,700,000???
Only 3% of Africans have AIDS with HIV. The other 97% are healthy and without AIDS (even though they have HIV).
Some other claims by Dr. Peter Duesberg; "Aids is not infectious," "Not being spread sexually," "Not a threat to the public at large."
The hypothesis is that "AIDS is caused by recreational drug use and chemotherapy treatments (AZT)." "IV Drugs are the cause of AIDS in 9 out of 10 cases." At this point (53min'sh) Duesberg shows a chart displaying the dramatic rise of AIDS cases per year compared to HIV. HIV is a flat line (for 10 years), unchanging. Figure it out. He then shows Cocaine and Heroine use applied to his chart, and the rise mirrors that of AIDS cases. But once again, correlation =! causation. Atleast in his examples, the facts are based on reason and science. He makes his case at 54 minutes very well.
Nitrates used by homosexual men (poppers) as aphrodesiacs is extremely immuno-suppresant. Rectum tissue is also 1 layer thick (compared to the vagina's 3 layers) which allows for more for foreign protein transfers. These foreign proteins have also been proven to be immuno-suppresant. Also it is known that large amounts of Anti-biotics were/are used by homosexuals which, are as well, immuno-sppresent.
"You can take any group of homosexual or heterosexual men, HIV positive, but not using poppers, cocaine, heroin, or AZT and they will never get AIDS (Aka sarcoma, turbocuelosis + HIV etc)." ~ says Duesberg.
During the AIDS scare AZT is passed in 1987 for use in killing HIV, even though previously it was "too poisonous for cancer treatment." It was tested on animals and deemed "too toxic for use in human beings."
AZT is a DNA Chain Terminator, highly mutagenic and randomly targets bone marrow (where Lumphocyte Immune Cells are being made...the very cells needed most by AIDS patients), Kidneys, Liver, Intestines, Muscle Tissue, the Brain and the Central Nervous System. "AZT causes AIDS defining diseases. It was designed to kill human cells."
Check out the rest from around ~1:05:00 on. It get's even more interesting in the last hour with testimonies, personal accounts and conclusions/implications.
Very interesting and sounds like it could be true... Except for the part about no diseases ever reemerging to cause illness after the initial immune reaction. What about herpes outbreaks and HPV outbreaks that occur in people who have carried the viruses for years, sometimes they have no symptoms, sometimes they have outbreaks.
Seen many intersting things in the medical industry and have worked within the DME business as well
Sas both my grandmother and uncle die within the hospital 48 hours from their insurance running out and no longer covering their care. Could very well be coincidence
I'll say this. I have an older mother 55 , not terminally ill. Has several problems. Unlike most patients she has 2 insurance companies. Primary and secondary. Meaning all prescriptions and doctor visits and hospital stays are free and the hospitals are guranteed full payment with 14 days
From a business standpoint she is the perfect patient. Ive seen my mother hospitalized and placed in ICU multiple times almost for no reason whatsoever (coherent, no pain etc). ICU is more expensive btw. Run multiple tests etc. Both insurance companies shell out close to a combined 1 million dollars for her care each year. Even by raising her rates both insurance companies end up taking major losses.
DCA (dichloroacetate) has been used to treat Mitochondrial disorders in children since the 70's. Recently they discovered that it has been shown to cure all types of cancer in animal studies. The FDA has stonewalled further clinical trials in the US and it is being pursued in Canada currently.
http://medicorcancer.com/dca-dichloroacetate-frequently-asked-questions/
It hasnt been shown to cure anything. But the evidence available suggests it has an effect on on glioblastomas. They think it is acting on the abnormal mitochondria it that type of cancer and triggering cell death in cells that have abnormal mitochondria. The research was halted because it looked like the DCA was damaging nerves. Newer work has given reason to doubt the nerve damage was caused by the dca but its something that is a serious concern. A treatment for cancers like this would be nice but if it causes brain damage then it is harder to justify its use as a treatment or especially to justify testing on humans. That said its an interesting chemical that is worth investigating. You should be more careful when calling something a cure.
I'm sorry! You are correct, I did not mean to say "cure" but shown to significantly shrink different types of cancers. Not only Glioblastomas, but Liver, Pancreatic and other various forms. Cure was not the correct word for my comment. But yes, it does show some promise.
all i saw in my admittedly cursory look was glioblastoma, but the effect on mitchondria implies it would have an effect on a few others. the real trouble with cancer treatment is that there are a lot of ideas that show promise but when we get them into bigger better trials they almost always disappoint. what gets me excited is the possibility that we found out why. it looks like our gut bacteria have been eating cancer drugs. if thats really true and is common with many of the treatments we’ve tried then we might soon be able to go back and make a huge number of these drugs that failed human tests work, and we might be able to get results with lower doses of the drugs we already use. this is where i want to see money go.
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/350/6264/1079
The whole scheme of corporate municipalities was under threat from polio. Without a solution the cities would be abandoned. All the Western powers were doing research on African villagers. They cultivated the polio in monkey livers then inadvertently infected humanity with the HIV AIDS virus. The origin of AIDS coincides exactly with the location of the polio research.
I used to work for the chemistry department at a state university. Our contract was with the military and developing vaccines for the Saudis. For safety, I will not divulge names. You can't imagine the types of fuck-ups that happen with deadly viruses. At one point the freezer went down for a week, for months a senior thesis student mixed supposed antibiotics where no concentration was present.
What is even scarier is that for any vaccine to be considered vialable for consumers, it only has to be effective for 51% of the population. The other 49% could be live, carcinogenic, or purposefully have alternate substances, and pass federal or international regulation. This is the scientific amd medical standard for vaccines. Most normal vaccines babies receive are so automated that this isn't much of an issue, but everything else is a shot in the dark, if not intentionally neglectful or harmful to the masses. I learned this from inernational biochemists who fabricate the vaccines. It is one of the major factors of why I dropped out of physical science altogether, don't blindly trust a doctor, they are only there to take your money.
Can someone do this type of research on Lupus and all autoimmune disorders? Why are they so hard to diagnosis? Why is treatment mediocre at best? People with these diseases live a painful life and are basically test dummies and then the disease kills them.
Look into the recent CDC Opioid message and narrative (all over news and media), Then look at Illicit Fentanyl vs. Heroin vs. Pharma trafficking numbers at HIDTA cities via DEA early warning reports - look at last few pages of PDFs where they’ve excluded, Then arrest and drug confiscation chem tests, Then overdose stats with Opioid testing via coroners, Then decline in prescriptions and increased prescription controls for a decade now, Time spent in Afghanistan with Poppies - DOD, CIA & DEA, Obamacare to Medicaid expansion and the new “mental health/addiction” vs Prison/decriminalization, Facility funding and program expansion with political claws in all.
The first sentence research has been done and it’s bad.
Second is alarming
The race to create the polio vaccine was a race entirely based on hubris and not philanthropy.
Those at the forefront didn't care how sloppy the science was or how many children were maimed in the process.
Dr. Ochsner, whose story I get into here even tested one of the experimental polio vaccines on his two grandchildren, killing one and paralyzing the other.
Whats funny is that you still havent replied to my posts about this topic, but replied to me in another part of the thread. You are lame as fuck. I should send your post history to the feds.
I personally believe in medicine as well, but I have no illusions over how harmful medicine was in the 1750s when homeopathy was invented. Considering that medical errors are the 3rd leading cause of death, I think some concern about modern medicine is more than warranted.
If a serious medical error hasn't happened to you that's fine, that's your prerogative. However, I work in hospitals and I personally think you should be a little more wary.
I will concede that, with new information that was not presented in your articles, intensive care patients do lose enough blood to cause iatrogenic anemia.
You're misunderstanding them. They aren't defending homeopathy, they're saying if homeopathy does nothing -- which you agree with -- and the medical treatment does actual harm, then you're better off doing nothing, i.e. homeopathy.
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1 Atheism_Is_Illogical 2017-10-04
The mental illness of Gender Dysphoria & homosexuality
1 Step2TheJep 2017-10-04
Come on bro it is totally normal to want to cut off your penis.
1 EnoughNoLibsSpam 2017-10-04
but it gets cold dunking it in the toilet
1 lf11 2017-10-04
/r/bigdickproblems
1 TurnOffTheNewsNRead 2017-10-04
These two subjects are so far apart that this like saying MK Ultra is just as proven as flat earth. Homosexuality is not a mental illness ffs. Perhaps you’d like us to go back to the days of performing electro-shock therapy to suspected homosexuals?
1 theeophilus 2017-10-04
are you familiar with the history of its reclassification?
since you apparently believe in the concept of mental illness (i do not), would it be fair for me to 'deduce' that you approve of insulin shock therapy?
1 TurnOffTheNewsNRead 2017-10-04
No idea what you’re talking about. On both counts. Enlighten me.
1 _IAmNotADoctor_ 2017-10-04
Why don't you believe in mental illness? I understand if you don't believe homosexuality or any other condition isn't a mental illness but it's a little weird to not believe in mental illness at all.
1 theeophilus 2017-10-04
i don't believe in mental illness because i regard mental illness as a metaphor which has been taken literally for so long that people regard it as an objective fact. to illustrate what i mean, consider the following parable:
susan told anthony that she believed that jan was hot under the collar. anthony immediately got out a thermometer and began measuring the temperature beneath jan's collar. moments later, he perplexedly announced that he could find no evidence that susan's assertion was true.
to keep things country simple: i regard homosexuality as an unfortunate tendency, homosexual actions as sins, and belief in mental illness as credulous.
1 stordoff 2017-10-04
As someone who suffers from OCD, can I ask you to explain why? I see no other way of categorising it.
1 lf11 2017-10-04
Aren't you jumping to conclusions? I think you're agreeing with OP.
1 TheCrimsonCorndog 2017-10-04
A mental/emotional state in which somebody is so dissatisfied with their physical being that they seek to alter it by any means necessary, going so far as to undergo massive bodily transformations via hormone replacement therapy and permanently disfiguring their reproductive organs.
Somehow we've reached a point where people will actually sit there and argue that "it's because the rest of the world wont let them be who they really are."
1 targetedindividual 2017-10-04
So you defend old psychiatric terms and diagnoses? maybe you are forgetting that "being against the establishment" was considered a mental illness too, and used in very opportunistic ways in history. Even today being into conspiracy theories is still associated with different degrees of paranoia.
I'm unsure if this is more pro-psychiatry or against homosexuals/trans.
1 velcona 2017-10-04
Because bell curves are not a thing in nature...
1 rocketmarket 2017-10-04
We're in here with The Truth about The Spanish Influenza Epidemic of 1918 and Was JFK Killed by Cancer Research and this guy wants to make it about how men wearing dresses gives him the heebie-jeebies.
1 mr_dong 2017-10-04
I always thought that the opening sequence to the old Australian soap - 'The Young Doctors' was sinister.
The Young Doctors opening titles (1982)
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-04
In the early 1950's, Bernice Eddy and Dr. Sarah Stewart discovered the polyoma virus.
As a result, the two were the first to successfully demonstrate that viruses causing cancer could be spread from animal to animal.
Tragically, Dr. Eddy's warnings regarding tainted vaccines led to the infamous Cutter Incident in 1954:
Bernice Eddy also was the first to identify SV-40, a cancer causing monkey virus that millions of people were exposed to through contaminated polio vaccines.
From the Wikipedia page of Dr. Herbert Ratner:
So Dr. Eddy not only made two huge discoveries (polyoma virus and SV-40), but she warned the scientific community twice about contamination of the polio vaccine and she was ignored twice!
From the book The Health Century by Edward Shorter
1 Britt121 2017-10-04
Wow. I never knew this.
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-04
That's why we're doing this :)
It's an incredible story!
1 macredsmile 2017-10-04
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3bfy8j/after_getting_631_points_80_upvoted_117_comments/
1 Zerophobe 2017-10-04
So.. What came of it?
1 joanie_hated_chachi 2017-10-04
The CIA and Big Pharma are very tight. One of the original Air America / Flying Tigers ends up being the President of Bayer/Sterling in China while also being CIA Station Chief for that region.
Bayer allowed its top rank to be held by the CIA in communist China during the Mao era. The risk if discovered would be massive. They are very close.
Alvin Burrdige is the CIA agent and President of Sterling. His wife would be the founder of UN and worked with the FBI.
The guy was responsible for building Air America, allegedly Air America was credited with running drugs. He and validated by people that knew him was the guy seeking landing spots to get around the globe via airplane. He wrote the business plan for moving Kai-Shek in to Taiwan. To accomplish this they need to write a fat check from the US (40M) but also had to get support from the Mongul drug lords. What would a drug lord want in return? Distribution.
Tangled web between the major players and our Government agencies.
1 Non-equilibrium 2017-10-04
Just to add the story that links this virus research to the CIA, Cold War Cuba and The JFK assassination. Dr Mary's Monkey.
1 dropdeadred 2017-10-04
Great book, especially for someone living in New Orleans
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-04
Indeed, I've added this story to this thread.
1 InfraggableKrunk69 2017-10-04
As a side note they learned in the 30s that foreign nervous system tissue when injected tended to provoke an auto immune response to one's own nervous system. Vaccines and the reactions they caused were the birth of studying anaplaxis and allergy...
So when Salk was grinding up monkey spinal cords for injection into America's youth it was well understood that severe nervous system damage would be a real consequence.
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-04
The race to create the polio vaccine was a race entirely based on hubris and not philanthropy.
Those at the forefront didn't care how sloppy the science was or how many children were maimed in the process.
Dr. Ochsner, whose story I get into here even tested one of the experimental polio vaccines on his two grandchildren, killing one and paralyzing the other.
These people have no compunction.
1 Beltrev_Montor 2017-10-04
and why they don't care how vaccines cause autism and don't mind lying about it
1 nitram9 2017-10-04
Yeah, why wouldn't they care? This makes no sense? Do you have any idea how science works? If any scientist can actually prove a link between vaccines and autism they would shoot to the top of the pantheon of scientists. How could you possibly orchestrate a conspiracy like that in such a competitive environment?
1 Beltrev_Montor 2017-10-04
why don't they care? $$$ the rich want more autists as they are easier to control, more compliant, less violent. It was done on purpose, same as flouride in water and plastics in food,
1 liverpoolwin 2017-10-04
Experts complain of the 'witch hunt' which takes place after any scientist reports on vaccine dangers
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/articles/28882443/
July 2017 - Increased risk for an atypical autism diagnosis following Thimerosal-containing vaccine exposure in the United States: A prospective longitudinal case-control study in the Vaccine Safety Datalink
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28595786
MIT Researcher: Glyphosate Will Cause Half of All Children To Be Autistic by 2025. Yeah, sure. https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/06/07/mit-researcher-glyphosate-will-cause-half-all-children-be-autistic-2025-yeah-sure-11337
Glyphosate Found in Childhood Vaccines
https://www.ecowatch.com/glyphosate-vaccines-1999343362.html
Madison: Before & After Vaccine Induced Autism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ze_Hlkz8dDs
Max's Regression into AUTISM following vaccinations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfVOtvvvIV0
Eric's life before and after the Vaccine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSjVZx4jnuY
MMR and DPT Vaccines Utterly Destroy This Child’s Life Forever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPw08IRikH4
Robert de Niro says autistic son changed 'overnight' after MMR vaccine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyWjuudDXnA
Actor Aidan Quinn talks about how his daughter became Autistic after a vaccination
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRB2TLFvc3s
The Lancet Acknowledges Dr. Andrew Wakefield Is Exonerated
http://www.autisminvestigated.com/the-lancet-dr-andrew-wakefield/
1 kaoethegreat 2017-10-04
What a Tool.
1 Alasbabylon103 2017-10-04
I am floored....this post should be published. I want to print this up and drop off in doctor waiting rooms so patients could at least have a fair chance at informed consent. My question is do doctors know about this scandal? Is the oncology community aware of the connection between vaccines and cancer? This is huge, thank you for sharing this topic!! Mainstream Media has been criminally negligent for not exposing this. Thank you Reddit conspiracy. The truth truly sets the blind free.
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-04
Read the book "The Virus and the Vaccine" and prepare to be stunned.
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-04
1916 saw one of the worst polio outbreaks in US history.
Originally blamed on "immigrants", a study determined that it was most likely caused by nearby Rockefeller Labs where a deadly "multi-virus" strain of polio was being developed.
More info about polio, including discussion of the 1916 outbreak:
Here's a very informative presentation on the elusive history of "polio" and the polio vaccine, and here's the slide show Dr. Suzanne Humphries used in her presentation.
1 Wood_Warden 2017-10-04
Susan Humphries discussing Polio: https://youtu.be/Twch-T-n8Ns
An amazing lecture on polio by a nephrologist who went from main stream science to researching (over 10,000 hours) into the subject of vaccines and changed her beliefs.
1 Yorkshire_Burst 2017-10-04
Stupid anti vaccine scum.
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-04
The 1918 flu pandemic that killed millions was partly caused by aspirin overdose:
1 TheCrimsonCorndog 2017-10-04
That's almost 100 adult strength aspirin tablets. WHAT THE FUCK.
1 WIGGIE_FIFES 2017-10-04
*Taps Forehead
Can't die from the flu if you OD on Aspirin
1 Michaatje 2017-10-04
You are doing great work, this is very much appreciated. Love the roundtables so far!
1 meilursa 2017-10-04
Aspirin would be a controlled drug if it were invented today.
1 Otto-von-Bolschitt 2017-10-04
repost from another thread - at least half of published scientific research (medical and otherwise) is false:
https://www.acsh.org/news/2015/05/19/science-publication-is-hopelessly-compromised-say-journal-editors
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(15)60696-1/fulltext
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/how-many-scientific-papers-just-arent-true/
https://www.globalresearch.ca/editor-in-chief-of-worlds-best-known-medical-journal-half-of-all-the-literature-is-false/5451305
1 Step2TheJep 2017-10-04
Excellent post.
1 theeophilus 2017-10-04
i love bringing this up to people who repeat the words "peer review" in an unthinking, mantra-like manner whenever anything outside currently culturally approved dogma is discussed
1 Otto-von-Bolschitt 2017-10-04
we need a bot that posts stories like this daily in every appropriate sub
1 EnoughNoLibsSpam 2017-10-04
correlation is not causation </script>
1 conradsymes 2017-10-04
this guy used to https://www.reddit.com/user/-moose-
1 heythisis-myusername 2017-10-04
Moose was fucking awesome. I hope he's well.
1 lostfuture2 2017-10-04
https://medium.com/incerto nassim taleb iis excellent on this
1 meneldal2 2017-10-04
Unless you are doing something that is easy to check, it's unlikely that someone will actually do the experiments again. So if you fake those results, you can get a paper published quite easily.
Some fields are inherently much easier to cheat with, and basically all the softer sciences are full of p-hacking and low sample sizes allowing shitty results.
But even in harder sciences like physics, some retard that caused clocks to be desynchronized manage to publish faster than light neutrinos. We're at a point where basically only a few papers can be proven right correctly easily: pure mathematical papers, using automated systems that can check your proof, and computer science (though that's kinda math as well I guess), since the cost of running an algorithm is moderate.
Now obviously for theoretical physics, the big shit that breaks previous laws is going to be doubted, so other people will do experiments to confirm the results, but the paper still often manages to be published first. For medicine though, you are likely out of luck and big pharma can definitely fake the results of some experiments.
I also talk from experience, in my case I was asked no proof of my results or anything, as long as it's not news breaking nobody is likely to check. I put honest results because I have ethics, but I definitely see how easy it would be to fake them, especially if you have grants or graduation hinging over it.
1 easyasitwas 2017-10-04
This is the big one. This paper explains how this happens.
1 MKULTRA_Escapee 2017-10-04
Here are a lot more sources. A lot of scientists and science journal editors have blown the whistle on this.
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-04
A weaponized form of Lyme Disease was created and released on Plum Island:
1 DAY_OF_THEE_ROPE 2017-10-04
This conspiracy channel did a feature on it recently. Lyme is definitely weaponized bio-warfare. The bacteria has the ability to change shape. Also look up morgellons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT6gCqulCok
1 filmfiend999 2017-10-04
The government is leaving town, and the npo I'm with is looking to convert it into a state park, before the billionaires get another playground out East. I will still never go there. Camp Hero in Montauk? That's a different story. Or two.
1 Automantic 2017-10-04
Dude my cousin grew up in Old Lyme and got a horrible case of Lyme disease as a child that took him years to overcome. He had to have skin grafts on his arm it got so bad, he still wears a sleeve over the arm today.
This was in the 90's. I wonder if it's related?
1 heyheylove_87 2017-10-04
The spread of Lyme disease in the Atlantic part of America has been huge. The rise of invisible illnesses in that area has also been huge. It's awful and I am so angry about this right now.
1 boxmakingmachines 2017-10-04
What exactly are invisible illnesses?
Also, had a family friend who got a bad case of lyme disease and it was mis-diagnosed for years as MS. She is still dealing with issues from the lyme disease and it's been close to 10 years since she was diagnosed with it, probably closer to 15 years since she was misdiagnosed with MS.
Lyme disease aint no joke.
1 heyheylove_87 2017-10-04
Chronic illnesses that don't have any visual symptoms. ME, FIBRO, CFS, COLD, EDS etc are all invisible illnesses.
My aunt was bit by a tick and is now allergic to all mammals. She can eat fish and birds, but she is so allergic to meat protein she has to get medically supervised fillings because the bonding agent has derivitave of horse hooves in it. She carries epi pens now.
1 D4N73PRO 2017-10-04
After reading this stuff, and the little I know about lines, I'm convinced it was a manmade virus...so fucked up
1 rocketmarket 2017-10-04
First heard about this a couple decades ago. I never understood how this isn't bigger news.
1 dalvabar 2017-10-04
Best friend got lymes in her early 20s and now 9 years later basically has lymes disease induced psychosis. She is a shell of her former self, wanders around aimlessly, fits of rage and laughter, can't connect thoughts or hold a conversation. Very sad.
1 Step2TheJep 2017-10-04
How about the 'life expectancy' hoax? Most people, even on this sub, still seem to think we are 'living longer'. It is a myth.
1 felixlivesagain 2017-10-04
I just buried someone in a small town cemetery while I was there I couldn't help but notice that most the dead people there died between the age of 24-48 this age group made up more than half the cemetery the old people buried there were 50-66 which made up most of the rest with very very few older than 70
1 Step2TheJep 2017-10-04
What is your point? You think your undocumented, anecdotal observations at one cemetery prove that people are living longer today?
1 felixlivesagain 2017-10-04
no. quite the contrary. I was backing up your life expectancy hoax conspiracy with my anecdotal observations. this cemetery had dead people from recent times and people who died roughly 80 years ago and they all died in similar age groups and none of the age groups are long lives. my point was that in this one case study my findings suggest that all these people even in quite recent of times all die between 24-66 at the oldest which would back up your claim that we are not 'living longer' I don't know why you had to be a dick but your comment was quite dickish.
fyi when people are agreeing with you don't be a dick and try to argue with them. kthanksbai
1 Step2TheJep 2017-10-04
Fair enough, I apologise. I misunderstood you.
1 MLSHomeBets 2017-10-04
Did you even listen to the video you linked? What evidence does this person provide? None is the answer. He compares our lives to 1984. Wow, great, awesome. Totally factual.
1 Step2TheJep 2017-10-04
What evidence do you have that we are living longer? Please, I would love to be wrong about this. But when I thought about it, I realised that I was never shown empirical data to prove we were living longer. I was just told over and over again that 'life expectancy has risen', like an Orwellian mantra.
Two legs bad, four legs good.
1 MLSHomeBets 2017-10-04
So you link a YouTube video with literally no evidence but you can't do a 2 second Google search that would show you literally countless piles of evidence? Do you discredit all sources of this evidence?
1 Step2TheJep 2017-10-04
I asked you if you had any evidence. When did it become so offensive to people to ask them for evidence? And when did 'just google it' become an argument?
I don't know how long people are living. The video in question makes the same point: everybody believes we are living longer but nobody seems to have any evidence. Your 'just google it' is implicit proof of the very point being made.
1 GregsKnees 2017-10-04
Your point is literally that that video has no evidence, and all other evidence is questionable as well. But that we should 'be looking into it'.
Fucking lame dude.
1 donnie_brasco 2017-10-04
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy
Its an average, more people are living into old age(60-70+), its people not dying young from preventable disease, accidents, war, malnutrion, etc, that are raising the average. There has always been people who lived into old age, just far less.
I think science wise we are on the verge of extending peoples lives beyond the natural cap of about 70-80 years.
1 Step2TheJep 2017-10-04
lol that is what the TV keeps telling us, 'medical breakthrough on the horizon'. They call it programming for a reason.
1 GregsKnees 2017-10-04
Do you know what plasma protein GDF-11 is?
How about Regenokene?
How about the latest stem cell research?
None of that will be on the evening news. You have to go to Germany to even find people researching these things. Hows that for a conspiracy? Other governments are seriously taking huge steps, but American Universities and research teams are hampered by US law. Stem cell research should never have been fucked with.
1 Step2TheJep 2017-10-04
No, you might have evidence. Let's find out. What is your evidence?
1 GregsKnees 2017-10-04
Wtf? Evidence for what? Look up GDF11 and figure it out for yourself, I'm not here to teach you about it.
1 Step2TheJep 2017-10-04
So no evidence then. Just as I suspected.
1 GregsKnees 2017-10-04
There is info here both for and against anti-aging, though I doubt you will even read any of it
1 rocketmarket 2017-10-04
There were so many openings for you to make so many good points, and this is what you chose?
1 GregsKnees 2017-10-04
Like honestly, there is nothing that I posted that I have to 'provide evidence' for. Like.. this shit is already well-known...
Are you one of those 'burden of proof' guys that haunt this board? Give me a break.
1 CarterJW 2017-10-04
Here is a link too the CDC page. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/life-expectancy.htm
There is a good PDF in there that shows the steady increase of the age that people are dying.
Personally I do not consider a random YouTuber who presented little to no facts and thinks quoting George Orwell will make his point any better. Can you provide any factual data that people are significantly younger??
I found an article that noted a decrease of 0.1 years, but unless that keeps up for many years I do not consider it significant.
1 Step2TheJep 2017-10-04
That is a link. It is not proof. Tell us which part of that link you found most convincing. You can't, because you haven't read it - you have simply google searched and posted the link. You are proving the point being made.
1 CarterJW 2017-10-04
I did read it... I can't link a PDF on here but the one titled "Life expectancy by age, race, and sex, 1900-2012 United States Life Tables, 2012" apecificly Figure 1 on page 5. check it out and let us know what you think. They are using actual mortality data to produce this.
The burden of proof is not on me here. You are the one that needs to provide factual evidence to support your claims, because it goes against what everyone else already believes and knows. A YouTube video of a guy with an accent is not factual evidence.
Although I don't actually expect you to provide any evidence, maybe just another YouTube video, which doesn't count as evidence in my book. Or you just won't respond because you can't find any evidence and would rather just believe what you want to believe because
1 Asshole_PhD 2017-10-04
That is "life expectancy at birth." It's okay to use that in some arguments, but not for arguing that we need to increase retirement age. You don't want to count all of the people who died shortly after birth because those people didn't get to retire. In today's world, everything is safe. We don't have children working in coal mines and factories, we have all kinds of rules for driving, safety standards everywhere.
When someone says "we need to increase retirement age because people are living longer," what they are essentially arguing is that retired people are more fit and healthy today, they can do satisfactory labor at 65, and live more years in retirement, which causes a burden on the system. You only want to compare people who lived to 65 in 1900 and life expectancy of people who are 65 today. You can probably find that somewhere and I wouldn't be surprised to see that retirement-age people are living longer today because fewer people smoke, fewer people worked in shitty factories as kids, etc.
1 GregsKnees 2017-10-04
Tell us which part of that video you posted provides any information refuting official statistics. Go ahead.
You are so deep into your own brain that you post a link thats worthless and then challenge someone else to provide proof otherwise. Then when they do, you say
Like...for real? Are you okay? If you were informed on the subject, you'd be able to discuss this in depth here in these comments. Instead, you play some game where you are trying to get other people to research for you?
I read the .pdf he posted. Did you? It certainly has information in it that refutes your point. But wait, what is your point? You haven't said anything useful, and even worse, the video you posted is seriously underwhelming and doesn't directly refer to anything factual about any age study. He just hammers the Australian govt. for increasing the retirement age and describes how people are upset, while using Animal Farm to draw parallel's.
Seriously man, don't post shit if you have no basis and no ability to back up what you post.
1 CharredSmash 2017-10-04
He's trying to red-pill the average population on how many people are brainwashed into accepting a life of slavery with hopes of a grand pension and retirement when the prospect of retirement is an illusion. People blindly accept that we're living longer without questioning it, without asking for evidence. If we're told from a young age that we're living longer than ever before, we just accept the fact as a truth. In his metaphor once the cows are finally old enough and worked hard enough for their big payout and retirement, they're led to the slaughterhouse and killed.
1 GregsKnees 2017-10-04
Do you live in a capitalist country? Your retirement is entirely in your hands. Unless we have a breakdown of society/more collapsed banks.
They are fucking with Social Security in America too, but that doesnt mean that you need to be among the people led to the slaughterhouse.
I repeat: Your retirement is completely within your hands
1 Raptisoft 2017-10-04
Well, minus the 15% of what you earn that the government takes from you to wisely invest so you don't just spend it on a junket or an exciting new vehicle or something.
1 fairie_poison 2017-10-04
psh, try 27%
1 GregsKnees 2017-10-04
I watched it too and its useless information. He literally doesn't even say anything connected to this age issue. Im not saying what he presents is questionable or so out there that it is unbelievable. I am saying that he literally doesn't say anything at all about the subject. Wth..is this just a simulation where people are seeing shit I'm not or are people just that stupid?
1 MLSHomeBets 2017-10-04
1 Wood_Warden 2017-10-04
Ya, just rambles on.
1 bullseyes 2017-10-04
Wait... I thought I was woke, but I didn't know this.
1 Step2TheJep 2017-10-04
It was daunting for me at first but I soon realised this is a bigger and more important con than most 'conspiracies' I have ever looked into.
1 GregsKnees 2017-10-04
Thats all well and good, but that video that linked is literally factless. Its a diatribe on conspiracy. Go ahead, watch it and tell me he offers any proof of anything.
He just talks and talks about the retirement age being a hoax, but doesnt ever say how the life expectancy hasn't changed. Is it the average age? No actual medical advances? Less death from simple maladies like pneumonia or diarrhea? I mean, there must be a basis for why he thinks there is some sort of hoax or misinformation, but he doesn't delve into it! Frustrating and a waste of 7 minutes.
1 Ostmormor 2017-10-04
I'm not surprised with all the poisoning of the food and water we are consuming.
1 rlbond86 2017-10-04
We do live a little longer. About 10 years. But yeah people assume everyone died in their 30's hundreds of years ago. Really if you were a male you'd probably make it to your mid 60's. If you were a female your big risk of dying was childbirth, if you survived that you'd also live till the same age. These days we live until our 70's. Of course the reduction in infant mortality is a huge benefit too.
1 Step2TheJep 2017-10-04
How do you know that?
1 rlbond86 2017-10-04
https://www.infoplease.com/us/mortality/life-expectancy-age-1850-2011
In 1900 a 30-year-old male could expect to live to 65, today they could expect to live to 78
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy
In late medieval English peerage, "At age 21, life expectancy was an additional 43 years (total age 64)."
A 21-year-old member of the English aristocracy could expect to live to age 64 in the 1200s.
1 Step2TheJep 2017-10-04
Why do you believe the claims made on those webpages?
1 rlbond86 2017-10-04
I guess that's a good point, but I've never seen any evidence to the contrary, and frankly I don't see a motive behind lying about something like that. But I'd be open to reading any sources you might have
1 Step2TheJep 2017-10-04
Where would you expect to find such evidence?
1 rlbond86 2017-10-04
Like I said I am open to being wrong! But do you have any sources I can look into? Or are you just going to ask pointless questions?
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-04
Hilary Koprowski invented the first "effective" live polio vaccine, using monkey and chimpanzee parts in to create them.
Albert Sabin, the other main producer of the polio vaccine at the time, analyzed Koprowski's "oral" vaccine and found that it was "unstable and contaminated by an unknown virus." In response, Koprowski claimed that Sabin was trying to discredit his work.
As it happens, Sabin was also manufacturing a contaminated polio vaccine with a different lethal virus: SV40.
According to the oral polio vaccine AIDS hypothesis:
1 theeophilus 2017-10-04
she lost the election
this place is t_d 2.0
:y
1 Beltrev_Montor 2017-10-04
Donald sabin had less polio votes yet he won
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-04
ok I loled
1 lostfuture2 2017-10-04
changed my downvote, this place could use some humor
1 anunknind 2017-10-04
LOL the shills are downvoting you for making fun of them. (And people with no humor)
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-04
The contaminated haemophilia blood products tragedy resulted in thousands of haemophiliacs infected with HIV and hepatitis C in the 1970's and 80's.
Perhaps the most shocking thing about the episode was that the products continued to be sold even when they were known to be contaminated:
To me, you can't simply dismiss this as the actions of a greedy company...the intention must be far more nefarious, especially coming from a company like Bayer.
1 amandez 2017-10-04
Bayer is a fucking evil company. Manufactured heroin as a non-addictive alternative to morphine, used slave labor via German concentration camps during WWII and, as mentioned above, knowingly gave hemophiliacs AIDS and Hep C.
1 HempCO719 2017-10-04
From the Progenitor Virus' discovery in December 1966, the ultimate goal of Dr. Oswell E. Spencer and his colleagues Dr. Edward Ashford and Dr. James Marcus was the birthing of a new age of eugenics with mutagenic viruses improving the human race. To fund this program, dubbed the Wesker Project, it was agreed that strains of the virus should be engineered as a military product, leading to the creation of Umbrella Pharmaceuticals as a front for this research. Research on Progenitor strains was conducted simultaneously in a number of laboratories, with Ashford; Marcus and Spencer engaging in independent research.
Dr. James Marcus' research reached reached a breakthrough in 1977 which warranted his coining of the name "t-Virus" to truly divorce the strain from Progenitor. A new strain was created in 1978 when the virus mutated in the bodies of leech test subjects. Using the virus on humans a very different response was seen compared with Progenitor infection. Rather than dying, the infected instead became aggressive, were found to have cannibalistic impulses, lost intelligence and suffered from considerable necrosis.[1]
The nearby Arklay Laboratory also worked on mutant strains of Progenitor, and had done so since its opening with Progenitor "Type A" and "Type B" strains. In the 1970s they also used "t-Virus" as the name of their new strains. This team made their own breakthrough in 1978 under the leadership of Dr. William Birkin. Fascinated by Ebola's potential as a weapon, Birkin noted that people would be killed too quickly to adequately work in war. A modified t-Virus strain with RNA from Ebola was created, which led to their independent creation of Zombies. Spencer was, however, unsatisfied with the virus the Arklay team was developing, as approximately 10% of people were believed to be naturally immune to the new strain. To guarantee a near 100% success rate in battle, the Arklay team bonded a human egg and reptilian DNA through the virus in 1981, creating the "Hunter", a creature that would be used in battle to kill these remaining survivors.[2] At some point following this the Arklay team began working on a new strain of the virus discovered in the body of a zombie. This strain enabled the "V-ACT" process, which mutated the bodies of unconscious zombies. Other facilities such as the Raccoon City Underground Laboratory experimented with a further mutation of this strain which mutated the infected into Lickers.
1 thodne 2017-10-04
Does anyone know anything about the Laetrile studies done at Johns Hopkins University?
1 Wood_Warden 2017-10-04
Just post your sources and provide some TLDR bullet points to get me started ;)
1 ablan 2017-10-04
Big pharma and the animal agriculture industries are in bed, ensuring people continue to get sick, obese, diabetic, cancer (list goes on) from eating animal products, and big pharma isn't treating the cause (so much for them caring about our health), they want us sick, because it means profit for them. Meanwhile, the world dies.
1 OcculusResurrectio 2017-10-04
Hard to profit off of natural gardening, yoga and rainwater.
1 lf11 2017-10-04
And yet so many seem to be profiting so well off exactly that.
1 fairie_poison 2017-10-04
yeah those darn international yoga corporations destroying the world with their greed, their insatiable desire for getting a 12th yacht.
1 codaclouds 2017-10-04
*hard for 'them' to profit. you profit immensely.
1 OcculusResurrectio 2017-10-04
21 days in a row of yoga. And I was the last guy to even think about doing this before a month ago. Its life changing.
1 nordbundet_umenneske 2017-10-04
100%
1 fullspeedornothing- 2017-10-04
Do you have any sources that back this claim? It would make sense if true, but it's the first time I've eve heard anyone say this.
1 25opod 2017-10-04
I’ve been seeing a lot of Humira commercials. Like there seems to be a lot of people with autoimmune disorders. Psoriasis, chron’s disease etc... The biologics industry has seen a huge boom these last couple of years. It could also be that many had it before but just not talk about it.
1 jsstealthss 2017-10-04
I have seen a shocking amount of service members (myself included) develop autoimmune diseases, with the large majority being Crohn's / UC cases. Hell, at my particular squadron, we had four new ulcerative colitis cases in the span of six months, a few (unsure of the number) instances of psoriasis, and one case of arthritis. It is fucking insane. This was all less than a decade ago, btw.
1 Zetterbluntz 2017-10-04
They require new vaccines especially for food industry
1 missleavenworth 2017-10-04
Went to South Korea in 2000. Had to get the experimental anthrax vaccine. It's six shots. If you're going to get sick, it usually happens on the 4th shot. Developed endocrine system disruption disorder (they don't call it gulf war syndrome anymore). My mitochondria are fucked (chronic fatigue is a huge part of the symptoms). Took 15 years, but I then went on to develope MS. IBS was the first symptom of the MS.
1 jsstealthss 2017-10-04
I am pretty certain that the military are some of the first ones to get experimental vaccines. Like, first human trial type stuff. Also, do not forget that many of the military bases have VERY nasty water in thwirsupply supply. I heard of a lawsuit against Camp Lejeune for a lot of sercice members and their families having much higher rates of disease / cancer. I need to look it up for details.
1 lostfuture2 2017-10-04
A recent study showed service members much more likely to get ALS
1 jsstealthss 2017-10-04
A study done by whom?
1 lostfuture2 2017-10-04
man I cant recall, saw it on reddit like two months ago...a search found many results!
1 jsstealthss 2017-10-04
Damn lol. Sucks that Reddit's search function is less than worthless.
1 wow-wuh-woo-wuh 2017-10-04
Autoimmune disease is caused in part by over-sanitation and less exposure to foreign biological microorganisms
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1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-04
Hey friend, I'm sorry to inform you that you've been shadowbanned by the reddit admins, which is unfortunate because you seem like an honest and legitimate contributor.
As a /r/conspiracy mod, I can only approve your comment and inform you of your predicament, sorry :/
I recommend you contact the reddit admins ASAP...good luck!
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1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-04
sorry to hear that =/
I do think you need an email address to get your account restored, but I could be wrong about that.
1 lostfuture2 2017-10-04
FALSE
1 keball 2017-10-04
As both a biomedical and public health researcher, I have often tried to find a universal connection behind the prevalence of chronic disease and the health of our mitochondria seems to be the answer.
The mitochondria are bacteria that live inside most of our cells and supply most of the energy currency, ATP, through a near motor-like system called Oxidative Phosphorylation (OXPHOS) along the Electron Transport Chain. Healthy mitochondria elongate, and the surface area of the cristae, folds wherein OXPHOS occurs, increases, promoting more energy potential per mitochondria unit. Similar to cells, mitochondria can divide, move, and former networks in strategic locations near structures that require large amounts of energy.
Furthermore, mitochondria are inherited from mothers. Giving a direct genetic line where metabolic disease, disorders, and energetic inefficiency can be inherited. Many pollutants, carcinogens, inflammatory agents, drugs, foods, and more, promote the production of Reactive Oxidative Species (ROS) and other DAMPs (damage associated molecular pathogens) which can easily cause structural damage to the mitochondria or mitochondrial DNA (it is more susceptible than nuclear DNA because bacteria have limited protection). As these agents increasingly affect a person, the ratio of healthy to unhealthy mitochondria can change, promoting disease states. Furthermore, the mitochondria in your eyes and brain can be completely different than those in your leg muscles or heart, a state called heteroplasmy (nuclear DNA is homoplasmy, same in all cells). Returning to the maternal inheritance: a proposed theory of maternal inheritance is the "mitochondrial bottleneck" wherein RANDOM mitochondria are transferred from mother to egg. So it's a chance game on what mitochondria will transfer to child, however if 50% of your mitochondria are healthy and 50% diseased, the chances of child inheriting disease is more likely.
We have all heard of the "beer belly" or the person who just exercises their biceps and triceps but not their calves. What this phenotype comes down to is as the person exercises or drinks the mitochondrial energetic potential in these regions change so the person can support the mechanics of these structures. In the beer belly case though, the mitochondria in the gut organs become diseased and produce scant amounts of energy and cant process the rush of carbohydrates hitting the system, promoting fat deposition. A similar story occurs in the development of Diabetes Type II where the Beta-cells which produce insulin according to blood sugar are chronically inflamed and destroyed by the immune system. The mitochondria in these regions are ravaged and beaten and end up contributing to the destruction of the region. Mitochondria additionally control the on and off switch for apoptosis (cell death) and can be implicated in cancers (immortal cells, the on/off switch is gone!)
The connection between mitochondrial health and these modern diseases following the 1950s is infallible. However, indirectly, synthetic ways of life, the capitalistic societies we live in, and disregard for community health promote environments where mitochondrial damage is inevitable. The real conspiracy I am attempting to illuminate is the disregard for viewing ENERGY as source of disease rather than just MATTER. I consider this as logical, given life in a materialistic society, focused on body parts or organs being diseased, however these organs would not exist without ENERGY.
1 dyskgo 2017-10-04
Is there any way to reverse mitochondrial damage? I'm someone that has suffered from a chronic health condition that's associated with mitochondrial dysfunction - I know that recovery from this disease is possible, but I'm curious about whether mitochondrial damage is permanent.
1 d121212 2017-10-04
You can make new mitochondria and l-acetylcarnitine increased mitochondrial number. I would try to address inflammation and/or any underlying infections as well. Double check all this, I am not an expert.
1 dyskgo 2017-10-04
Thanks, I appreciate the insight. I'll look into this further, but I'm glad to hear that it should be possible to reverse damage.
1 keball 2017-10-04
d121212 is correct.
The major ways are: proper diet according to your needs, exercise, and supplementation (COQ10, other "cocktails" which contain enzymes or vitamins, even metformin has been shown in lower doses to assist)
Depending on the type of disease you have: primary or secondary, the clinical outlook varies. Primary mitochondrial disorders/dysfunction are typically derived from mother and are often full scale deletions of portions of mitochondrial DNA that relate directly to proteins on the electron transport chain. Imagine a portion of the "circle of energy" (circular mitochondrial DNA) breaks, almost the like the ouroboros breaking.
Secondary mitochondrial diseases are lifestyle induced and consequences or comorbidities with common chronic diseases and inflammation.
Primary mitochondrial dysfunction can be readily tested through genetic testing, however secondary dysfunction is often a web of nuclear DNA and mitochondrial DNA that is harder to detect and can be reversed! There are a few upcoming therapies for primary dysfunction, however the treatment is ideally applied pre-conception through maternal screening.
For example if a mother believes she may carry a mitochondrial disease, she can have the nucleus of her egg be transplanted on a donor egg with healthy mitochondria (the "three-person baby" phenomenon). The mitochondria has very little to do with developmental phenotype besides providing adequate energy and so I do not see it as a three person baby.
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1 dyskgo 2017-10-04
Thank you for this info! I appreciate the advice. I'm familiar with CoQ10, but that's the first time I've ever heard of PQQ.
I've got to get my diet back on track, but I was eating a lot of raw fermented foods and ginger before. I'm going to add them back in, along with some more of those anti-inflammatory foods. I also am getting an RO filter installed at my apartment, so I will have clean water shortly.
Wim Hof is something that I actually looked into for a long time and researched. Ultimately, I wasn't really comfortable pursuing it, but I did begin taking cold showers/ice baths without the breathing component. I'm in the FB group and I follow any new developments/research involving it, so it's something I might add to my regiment in the future.
1 DestroyBabylonSystem 2017-10-04
Oh I've been meaning to add to this and then saw your reply/comment.
Coffee enemas. Sounds far out/a bit suss to suggest from a complete random over the internet but I would consider it a huge, crucial addition to the above in terms of allowing your body to fully release a lot of the toxicity you carry around.
Real easy to DIY no drugs or major medical/scientific knowledge needed either and info abounds on the www.
As far as I'm aware there's no deep or mystical psycho-spiritual aspect to Wim Hof's method but I guess he sourced a lot of it from Eastern influences but essentially I think it is just yoga/applied/mindful breathing and is comparable to Groff's "Holotropic" breathwork. At their extremes I would imagine they could allow OBE/astral experiences tho.
1 dyskgo 2017-10-04
Thanks for adding that. I've actually heard about coffee enemas before, it's just something I've never wanted to try for obvious reasons haha. But as I start improving my health, I will re-consider that.
For Wim Hof, the main reason why I didn't opt for it is that I wasn't comfortable with the huge adrenaline spikes it causes. I'm a little wary of tinkering with my endocrine system in that way. But I do know it can have major health benefits and it is something that I may take up in the future. I'm hoping there will be more research studies coming out soon.
1 DestroyBabylonSystem 2017-10-04
Ah OK true I was not aware of that but of course that makes a lot of sense re Wim Hof fair point.
1 convolutednephron 2017-10-04
No biomedical researcher would call mitochondria "bacteria that live inside most of our cells"
1 benjamindees 2017-10-04
Why not? Wikipedia uses the term 'bacteria' to describe them. They were once bacteria.
1 bullseyes 2017-10-04
One could argue that there are clearer and more concise ways to describe them.
1 TheRadChad 2017-10-04
what would you say?
1 convolutednephron 2017-10-04
This, they are organelles.
1 convolutednephron 2017-10-04
That is the best theory for their origin, but they are recognized on Wikipedia as organelles.
1 LordOfLatveria 2017-10-04
Organelles is a term scientists picked for something that they didn't know how to otherwise describe.
1 buyfreemoneynow 2017-10-04
I believe the idea is that, since cells themselves are basically the evolution of a number of symbiotic microorganisms, the structure of mitochondria is similar in function to bacteria therefore it may be the best term used to summarize its lifecycle.
1 keball 2017-10-04
Mitochondria have the DNA structure of a bacteria and often are compared to Rickettsia. But, yes, they are certainly organelles that animal cells are codependent on. In a sense these "bacteria" hold the noose around or necks though.
1 cslack813 2017-10-04
Exactly where I stopped reading
1 wow-wuh-woo-wuh 2017-10-04
I think one of the big stories here is cancer: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3941741/#!po=2.84810 Cancer as a metabolic disease
Btw i think you were referring to type 1 diabetes as caused by autoimmune destruction of Beta cells
1 SenseOfDisarray 2017-10-04
Travis Christofferson's book "Tripping over the Truth" talks about this theory and the history of how cancer came to be thought of as being caused by genetic mutations. It is such a great read, very hard to put down.
1 wow-wuh-woo-wuh 2017-10-04
Thanks. Will look into it
1 keball 2017-10-04
Yes, Seyfried is a pioneer in this field. The amazing thing is that mitochondrial medicine has much to do with preventative medicine. Hopefully we can see a shift in ideology regarding this. There is a famous study where mitochondria are actually used as "bombs" (their typical mode when apoptosis is triggered) to destroy cancer cells through reactivation of suppressed apoptotic signal.
ref: Design and Synthesis of a MAO-B-Selectively Activated Prodrug based on MPTP: A Mitochondria-Targeting Chemotherapeutic Agent for Treatment of Human Malignant Gliomas, Baskin et al. 2015
1 Catsarenotreptilians 2017-10-04
Sodium Dichloroacetate.
You will like this.
1 laneferrell 2017-10-04
Most of what you're saying is true but blaming your beer belly on local mitochondria is just plain stupid. I'm a kinesiology undergrad and I know that no mitochondria are static in the way you're proposing. Having a beer belly can be much more easily explained by the hormonal factors associated with gender and motor neuron recruitment and patterns. More fat utilization in one area=more storage in that area.
1 terranlurker 2017-10-04
I had/received this insight during an ayahuasca ceremony, but this paints it in a more scientific light. Fascinating. Can you share more of your thoughts & findings on this?
1 keball 2017-10-04
Much has to do with readings on epigenetics and the communication and connection between mtDNA and nDNA. The patterns and programs that our physiology develop based on environment and other inputs are as important as the actual bio marker indicating disease.
1 lf11 2017-10-04
Just going to tag onto this post that there are a bunch of medical drugs that we use all the time are known to be toxic to mitochondria. If you understand where mitochondria come from, one of the biggest classes should be obvious: antibiotics, especially bacteriocidal antibiotics.
But don't just blame doctors: alcohol will fuck a mito up, too.
Take care of yourselves.
1 scalpernt 2017-10-04
We have an infant that was given lots of antibiotics immediately after birth (we think unnecessarily) and he has not been thriving quite as much as his peers. We feel this is related to the antibiotics he was given. Any tips on reversing the damage would be much appreciated.
1 lf11 2017-10-04
I'm just a medical student and my knowledge is limited and I can't give medical advice, but if you want to PM me I'll be happy to share whatever limited knowledge I can in the spirit of mutual empowerment.
1 DestroyBabylonSystem 2017-10-04
Ray Peat who is a very interesting person to look into in general talks about energy in a similar manner to you too.
1 wile_e_chicken 2017-10-04
The Truth About Cancer -- A Global Quest
1 wile_e_chicken 2017-10-04
The Truth About Vaccines docu-series
1 sheasie 2017-10-04
great topic!
I recently saw this story -- been making me "think":
1 pmmeyourproblemsolva 2017-10-04
Most blood transfusions are caused by needlessly frequent blood draws using vacutainers that drake 50x the amount of blood needed for lab tests. Doctors know this but giving a blood transfusion helps justify the length of their stay. Blood banks know this, they make bank selling donated blood to hospitals. Hospitals make bank charging for the infusion.
1 dropdeadred 2017-10-04
That's retarded. A vacutainer is about 2-3mls. An average unit of blood is about 250ml. Unless they are pulling 80+ tubes a day, it's not affecting your H&H. Pediatric tubes suck and are more likely to produced a hemolyzed sample, requiring a redraw
1 pmmeyourproblemsolva 2017-10-04
This is published scientific fact.
http://www.mdedge.com/ccjm/article/109827/geriatrics/are-we-causing-anemia-ordering-unnecessary-blood-tests
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1490143/
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/747875
Vacationers range from 3 ml to 5 ml averaging around 4 ml. When you draw A rainbow to start with, then Cardiac enzymes, q6 hours then CBC, CMP, daily various drug levels that adds up fast.
1 dropdeadred 2017-10-04
Common sense in the ICU said that we pooled blood draws and only drew as much as we needed and to call the lab to add on tests with extent blood instead of resticking people.
The studies showed a correlation between length of stay in the hospital and H&H levels and they account this to be in because of phlebotomy sticks. But, it doesn't say what contributing factors are taking into consideration (e.g.- kidney injury leads to decrease in erythropoietin production and results in decreased blood marrow production and therefore, a decreased H&H or that an increased production of inflammatory bodies from an infection can decrease RBC production). Certainly we want to remove as little blood as possible that's needed, but there are other factors at play in determining anemia causes
1 pmmeyourproblemsolva 2017-10-04
That sounds pretty reasonable, and like something an astute nurse would be, but as someone who has worked ICU, Cath lab, OR, and ER as an RN, I can assure there is nothing more uncommon than common sense.
1 likes-to-use-italics 2017-10-04
Of course it's just an anecdote, but I've known a lot of people that have been patients in the ICU, and the only ones that needed blood transfusions were with the ones with blood loss from trauma.
I had a relative that suffered trauma from her husband, and didn't realize til 2 days later when she passed out that her spleen had ruptured. She had a shitload of transfusions.
1 lf11 2017-10-04
It is the most amazingly frustrating thing in the world to watch someone's H&H drop the longer they stay in the hospital. "Oh, it's dilutional," yeah sure, not if their platelets and everything else didn't go down with it. Can't believe I never thought of iatrogenic blood loss.
1 lf11 2017-10-04
I don't know, I can see it. Have you ever done the math on how much blood a patient actually gives for testing during an admission? It's more than one might think. A young patient can handle this no problem, but if you have an elderly patient who is already borderline anemic, and stick them in a hospital bed for 2 weeks, it seems to me like you could definitely pull off a lot of iron.
1 dropdeadred 2017-10-04
That's retarded. A vacutainer is about 2-3mls. An average unit of blood is about 250ml. Unless they are pulling 80+ tubes a day, it's not affecting your H&H. Pediatric tubes suck and are more likely to produced a hemolyzed sample, requiring a redraw
1 Investigate_311_ 2017-10-04
I worked in a hospital lab and I can tell you that you're full of shit. If anything, vacutainers kept in a walk in cooler keep patients from needing even more blood drawn.
1 pmmeyourproblemsolva 2017-10-04
I've worked a lab too.
What do you say about this?
http://www.mdedge.com/ccjm/article/109827/geriatrics/are-we-causing-anemia-ordering-unnecessary-blood-tests
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1490143/
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/747875
1 Investigate_311_ 2017-10-04
I can't reply to your new comment on my phone but I'll reply to this one
One of those articles claimed that 74ml of blood was lost to phlebotomy on average. Let's do some math. If we take an average of 5.5L of blood in circulation and we look at 74ml, that accounts for roughly 1.3% of total blood volume. Let's also say that this person has a HGB of 15g/dL. 15g/dL would mean 825 g/ 5.5L. A loss of 1.3% would be a loss of 10.7 g HGB. This would put the new total quantity of HGB at 814.3. Factored in to 5.5L, 814.3 g HGB yields a new value of 14.8g/dL. That's definitely a statistically relevant change.
I also looked for scholarly articles and I found ones refuting the claim that phlebotomy has a relevant statistical impact on H&H.
Have you ever tried to fill a pediatric tube? They have to be redrawn multiple times due to their consistent clotting halfway through the draw. Finger sticks make for poor samples. Now, there are new ways of testing that resemble glucometers that I'm all for that also use finger stick with good efficacy. I would gladly see these replace standard vacutainers.
1 pmmeyourproblemsolva 2017-10-04
Did it all the time.
Yea, but most hospitals don't want to buy new equipment when what they have is working.
1 Investigate_311_ 2017-10-04
Further, anemia isn't even recommended to be treated by transfusion until it drops below something like 7 g/dL because of the risks associated with transfusion. The hospital blood bank does not send that many units to the floor.
1 pmmeyourproblemsolva 2017-10-04
At the two places I worked we transfused at 8.5
Not true.
There are not 36,000 stabbings, shootings, and car wrecks every day in the US. These are mostly units of blood going to people who's H/H got low because of phlebotomy.
1 Investigate_311_ 2017-10-04
Surgeries? In 2009, there were 48 million inpatient surgeries performed. Don't know how much that number has risen in nearly a decade. That's 131,506 inpatient surgeries per day. You don't think a large part of that 36,000 comes from surgeries that require blood products?
That statistic means that, on average, each acute care hospital in the US would transfuse 6 patients daily, not differentiating for quantity of beds.
1 pmmeyourproblemsolva 2017-10-04
I've worked as a circulator nurse in the OR, there are very few types of surgeries where blood loss is significant, when we do orthopedic surgeries we have surgical tourniquets. It is still the phlebotomy. I've already provided you links showing you it is the phlebotomy.
1 Investigate_311_ 2017-10-04
3,500 cesarian sections a day. Those require blood, no?
It is mathematically impossible for it to be the phlebotomy.
1 pmmeyourproblemsolva 2017-10-04
And yet you've read three peer reviewed published studies showing it is the phlebotomy.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
1 Investigate_311_ 2017-10-04
Peer reviewed isn't worth a damn in science. Do you want me to link you the studies on that topic?
I will concede that, with new information that was not presented in your articles, intensive care patients do lose enough blood to cause iatrogenic anemia.
https://acutecaretesting.org/en/articles/iatrogenic-anemia--a-downside-of-blood-testing
"Wisser et al [4] found that in an unselected in-patient population of 2654 at a single German hospital, 95 % of patients suffered total blood loss during their hospital stay of <200 mL, which they suggest is clinically insignificant.
The remaining 5 % (all intensive care patients) had total losses of greater than 200 mL and 0.7 % had losses in excess of 600 mL during their stay in intensive care."
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/anemia/2014/634582/
"Packed red blood cell transfusion is usually required when the patients become symptomatic or when hemoglobin level is less than 7 g/dL, depending upon comorbid diseases. Blood products transfusion has the risks, including infectious and noninfectious complications [4–6]. Several strategies have been proposed in an attempt to reduce the risk of anemia due to phlebotomy, such as utilizing smaller volume blood tubes for diagnostic testing. However, there is limited research investigating whether a reduction in the size of the phlebotomy tube will reduce the incidence of anemia... Using smaller volume tubes for BMP, which constituted only 11% of blood draws in this institution, did not significantly affect the drop of hemoglobin."
1 pmmeyourproblemsolva 2017-10-04
Okay
1 dewchunks 2017-10-04
Any updates on aliens
1 jbrs_ 2017-10-04
Tobacco Science and the Thimerosal Scandal
New book coming out from him soon, be on the lookout
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-04
The CDC is essentially a revolving door that has completely blurred the lines between Big Pharma and Big Government.
For example, in 2004 CDC scientist William Thompson expressed his concerns that the agency was engaged in a coverup of the connection between the MMR vaccine and autism.
Thompson attempted to notify his superior at the time, Julie Gerberding:
The flu vaccine is another major cash cow for the CDC:
For example, Peter Doshi wrote a particularly damning analysis for the journal BMJ Online (December 2005), stating:
The CDC created one category that combines both flu and pneumonia deaths, assuming that the pneumonia deaths are complications stemming from the flu.
Doshi continued his assessment of published CDC flu-death statistics:
1 MeowYouveDoneIt 2017-10-04
Nursing student who has worked for 5 years as a PCT here: I never got the flu shot until hospitals required them, and it still pisses me off.
1.) if a patient is admitted with the flu, I am required to wear a gown, gloves, mask, and sometimes face sheild to care for them. Why would I have to wear all that if the flu shot is effective?
2.) why do I have to get the flu shot if I am going to be wearing all of this PPE anyway? I am exposed to way more infectious diseases on a regular basis than the flu, yet have never caught any of them or spread them to someone I know.
3.) the flu vaccine can cause guillain burre syndrome which paralyzes your entire body, I've had about a dozen patients in the past year with this disease, a few of which were confirmed to be from the vaccine
4.) the flu shot isn't even effective statistically, and one year was only 6% effective
I am totally for vaccinating against deadly or debilitating diseases, but the flu is not one of them.
It pisses me off the more I think about it
1 dangitgrotto 2017-10-04
Just because you've had the flu shot doesn't mean you won't get the flu. You should know this if you are in nursing school. That's like saying you won't die in a car accident if you are wearing a seatbelt.
1 MeowYouveDoneIt 2017-10-04
Did you even read my post?
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-04
The flu shot is 100% junk science...don't EVER get the flu shot.
1 Occams-shaving-cream 2017-10-04
Maybe the flu shot isn't about the flu at all? Maybe it is a vehicle for testing things. Especially now as easily as big data can track your health and everything else about your lifestyle, it would be the perfect vector for human experimentation.
1 lf11 2017-10-04
Well, it is a vehicle for testing things. Among other things, testing theories and techniques for achieving compliance with advertised messages. (It being a yearly campaign with very similar goals and execution every year, it is an ideal experimental platform for developing the field of propaganda.)
1 Wood_Warden 2017-10-04
Per the CDC, it's one of the only vaccines to still contain mercury https://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/vaccine/thimerosal.htm
Check out the Simpsonwood Transcript where a conference of scientists got together to discuss mercury in vaccines (because of the amount of reports from their patients) since the levels exceed safe levels (any amount shot into the blood stream does). http://skeptico.blogs.com/Simpsonwood_Transcript.pdf
This conference is what "helped" remove mercury from (most) vaccines and replaced it with aluminium (because of their findings and debate). Aluminium is no better and there have been no tests that show the effect both mercury and aluminium have on the body with combined.
1 dennisbergkamp10 2017-10-04
Agree 100% Work in health care in the US and have done for 16 years, it's all a load of me bollix with that Flu shot bullshit.
1 rocketmarket 2017-10-04
They do know this, and they are telling you about it. Reread what they said.
1 dwbassuk 2017-10-04
you're a nursing student and you don't think the flu is a deadly disease??? People die from the flu all the time
-Med student
1 tom-dickson 2017-10-04
Pharmageddon covers enough of this to make you want to never take a prescription again.
1 tom-dickson 2017-10-04
Pharmageddon covers enough of this to make you want to never take a prescription again.
1 Monkeyjusti 2017-10-04
Cancer can be cured naturally by using cannabis oil [combined with a plant-based diet]. US6630507 - US patent for cannabiniods
US 20130059018 - Phytocannabinoids in the treatment of cancer Patent number cancer cure + linked with pharma
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-04
In February of 2014, a study was published identifying a “polio-like” illness in five California children.
In addition, 47,500 cases of vaccine-induced polio paralysis followed an oral polio vaccination campaign conducted by the GAVI Alliance, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, and the World Health Organization (WHO) in India in 2011.
The oral polio vaccine was given to Indian children, despite the fact that in the US, the CDC had dropped the OPV from its vaccine schedule because it was causing polio.
According to Neetu Vashisht and Jacob Puliyel at St. Stephens Hospital in Delhi:
Vashisht and Puliyel published their findings in the Indian Journal of Medical Ethics and “should have made headlines around the globe.” They determined:
For more info on the history of the polio, smallpox and other vaccines, here's a lengthy post on the topic of vaccines.
1 Wood_Warden 2017-10-04
The 47500 cases of polio link doesn't work anymore, and it was removed from the Indian Journal of Medical Ethics (my usual link for showing people http://www.issuesinmedicalethics.org/202co114.html) after the Ivory Tower applied pressure.
The way back machine has it stored though: http://www.issuesinmedicalethics.org/articles/polio-programme-let-us-declare-victory-and-move-on/?galley=html
Also, this info is great: http://www.thinktwice.com/Polio.pdf
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-04
wow didn't know! That must have happened since I gathered this info a number years back.
Thanks for all your contributions to this thread btw.
1 Zerophobe 2017-10-04
Wtf.... Opv is still used here in here.
And has always had a large government PR team behind it
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-04
The tale of Judyth Vary Baker is about as extraordinary as they come. Her story starts with a book by Edward Haslam called *Dr. Mary's Monkey: How the Unsolved Murder of a Doctor, a Secret Laboratory in New Orleans and Cancer-Causing Monkey Viruses are Linked to Lee Harvey Oswald, the JFK Assassination and Emerging Global Epidemics.
Haslam tells a riveting detective-like tale that spans numerous decades, resulting in the publishing of his first book on the subject, "Mary, Ferrie and the Monkey Virus".
After Judyth went public in 1999, Haslam rewrote the book (as he finally had the witness for his theories that he had been lacking) and released it as "Dr. Mary's Monkey".
Haslam focuses on the macabre and unsolved murder of prominent orthopedic surgeon and cancer researcher Dr. Mary Stults Sherman.
Sherman's body was discovered in 1964 in her apartment in New Orleans. However, the precise nature of her death wasn't released to the public for over 30 years.
It was prematurely concluded that the killing was the work of a "sex-crazed lesbian" who conveniently was never found. Not surprisingly, it was never released to the public that Dr. Sherman's entire arm and right side were missing, exposing her insides.
A superficial mattress fire in the apartment was blamed for her severe injuries, even though temperatures of thousands of degrees would be necessary to locally disintegrate flesh and bone while leaving the rest of her body intact.
In addition, Dr. Sherman's heart and liver were stabbed, and the heart wound was inflicted while she was still alive. Curiously, her death occurred on the same morning that the Warren Commission first began taking witness testimony.
Haslam argues that Dr. Sherman was engaged in a top secret project, ostensibly run by the well-known researcher and surgeon Alton Ochsner, and included the young Judyth Baker, David Ferrie, and Lee Harvey Oswald.
Dr. Ochsner, who was fiercely anti-Communist, had ties to the CIA, FBI, and even the Mafia, and was part of the very real effort at the time to remove Castro from power, by any means necessary.
It's well known that elements of the CIA and Mafia were actively engaged in trying to kill Castro. Their main concern was that a violent death could ultimately be traced to US intelligent agencies, potentially resulting in World War III.
Eventually, more stealthy approach was attempted: perfect a cancer-causing bio-weapon to take out Castro. Although cancer-causing viruses can been discovered a decade earlier, the public was still mostly in the dark about these discoveries, so "inducing" cancer in an individual was still considered to be in the realm of science fiction.
Dr. Sherman was actively involved with this project, as well as the one of the most enigmatic figures in JFK assassination lore, David Ferrie. Ferrie is perhaps most known today as being the first suspect of Jim Garrison's infamous investigation into Kennedy's death.
Amazingly, Garrison revealed in an interview with Playboy that he suspected David Ferrie and Dr. Sherman were somehow involved in a secret cancer project, however that little tidbit has largely been forgotten, and it seems even Garrison himself never realized the implications of this connection.
In addition to being a defrocked priest and a pilot for the CIA and Carlos Marcello (the Mafia king of New Orleans), Ferrie just happened to be involved with Dr. Mary Sherman, one of the most prestigious female scientists in the country.
Ferrie had allegedly developed an interest in cancer research. He filled his apartment with white mice--at one point he had almost 2000, and neighbors complained--and he wrote a medical treatise on the subject and worked with a number of New Orleans doctors on different means of inducing cancer in mice.
He also lost all of his hair, and in light of his curious hobbies, this may have been the result of his dabbling with toxic chemicals. He was found dead only days after Garrison first accused him of being connected to the JFK assassination.
Eventually the bio-weapon was more or less perfected, and it was subsequently successfully tested on (at least) one inmate at a nearby facility. The subject died in 28 days. However, it seems that their efforts were too little and too late, for the coalescence of interests that wanted to remove Castro from power had completely changed their directive and focused their sights on Kennedy instead.
According to Baker, David Ferrie and Dr. Sherman were under the impression that they needed to hurry and created the weapon before their superiors got impatient and killed Kennedy instead.
Lee Harvey Oswald was allegedly involved, but more in the capacity of running errands and doing some of the dirty work, as he killed and dissected the cancerous tumors on the experimental mice on several occasions.
Baker, although very young, had already established herself in the field of cancer research. While still in high school, she had induced cancer in mice faster than any public research being done at the time (one week). She attracted the attention of numerous prominent people, including Dr. Oschner, and she soon found herself being trained at the prestigious Roswell Park Memorial Institute in 1961.
Baker and Lee Harvey Oswald were hired on the same day at Standard Coffee, and then one week later they both were moved to Reilly. Their jobs at Reilly Coffee were covers for their actual activities. Baker, as the secretary, was responsible for clocking Oswald out to cover up his extended absences, she still has numerous time cards for Lee with her initial "J" on the front.
Anna Lewis, who was married to David Lewis, another well-known figure in JFK assassination lore, is perhaps the last living person who has gone on record saying she saw Judyth and Lee together and that they were lovers. Here is a video of Anna Lewis.
As for when things went wrong, Baker claims that a letter she passionately wrote to Dr. Ochsner doomed her future career in the medical world.
She had been extremely upset when she discovered that the "volunteer" the weapon was tested on wasn't a terminally ill inmate as she had been told, but a perfectly healthy young man.
Unfortunately for Baker, the letter she wrote to Ochsner ended up in the hands of his secretary, violating the secrecy of the "Project". This infuriated Ochsner and he abruptly terminated his relationship with her. According to Judyth, her promising career was destroyed forever.
After the project unraveled, Oswald (an intelligence asset) began to suspect he was being set up as a patsy for Kennedy's death, but that he believed himself to be part of a team that was going to try and "prevent" the assassination in Dallas.
According to Baker, Oswald stated that his presence in Dallas meant that one less bullet would be fired at Kennedy. She also claims to have met Jack Ruby, who was introduced to her as "Sparky Rubinstein" and she was unaware until decades later that Sparky was the one who killed Oswald.
Ruby was actually friends with Oswald who had known him since Oswald was a kid. Oswald's mother, who was adamant that her son was a government agent and also framed for Kennedy's death, dated numerous Mafia men, including Carlos Marcello's personal driver, so Oswald had ties to the Mafia from a young age.
It's also been alleged that Ruby called the police station where Oswald would be killed and warned them that an attempt would be made on his life.
Ruby's fate, however, was anything but merciless, as he died of an extremely aggressive form of lung cancer shortly after his incarceration. To make matters even more bizarre, Ruby actually claimed to have been injected with cancer while in prison to silence him!
This was during a time when such a notion was considered ludicrous by the general population, but it fits rather ominously into Haslam's and Baker's narrative.
It's possible that Ruby knew of Dr. Sherman's project, as well as being aware of exactly how they induced the cancer: the subject would be submitted to high doses of radiation with an X-ray machine to compromise the immune system and then a series of painful shots would be administered to begin the process.
Ruby received this X-ray treatment in jail and then received several shots from a mysterious doctor (who was from out of town). When Ruby's cancer was examined after his death, it was observed to be an extremely aggressive form of lung cancer.
For more information on Judyth Baker and her story, she is featured in part 8 of the excellent series The Men Who Killed Kennedy.
60 Minutes was once set to release a special on Baker, but an order was given to immediately stop production on the segment and it was never completed.
According to Haslam, the frustrated 60 Minutes team told him that they had spent more money and time on this story than any in the history of the program.
1 Someone_Who_Isnt_You 2017-10-04
Damn... That's insane. I think the Kennedy assassination is probably the number one conspiracy theory that is receptive to normies.
1 zetswei 2017-10-04
Wow, the amount of circles involved is insane. A lot of extra stuff I had never heard before.
1 Wood_Warden 2017-10-04
Check out Guns and Butter, the host does an amazing job in her interviews and is very knowledgeable. She had Judyth on her show a bit ago and they go through all this in their talk:
https://soundcloud.com/guns-and-butter-1/the-cancer-causing-bioweapon-and-plot-to-kill-jfk-judyth-vary-baker-314
1 OWNtheNWO 2017-10-04
Merks lead Virologist at the time Maurice Hilleman admitted this, on camera.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13QiSV_lrDQ
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-04
hey!
1 OWNtheNWO 2017-10-04
a suh dude.
1 InfraggableKrunk69 2017-10-04
The ultimate medical conspiracy is the historical fact that it has, for thousands of years, increased death rates while reducing birth rates and lifespan. For Pre 20th century medicine our modern official consensus recognizes this.
1 lf11 2017-10-04
Whenever someone gets angry about homeopathy, I like to remind them that when medical treatment is worse than a placebo, take the fucking placebo.
It never fails to piss them off even more.
1 lordfartsquad 2017-10-04
Lmao that's not a defense for homeopathy, scrutinise the medical world all you want but homeopathy is straight up quack science and does literally no good for you.
1 lf11 2017-10-04
Homeopathy may be quack science, but if "medicine" is more harm than cure you are better off with a placebo.
Rich people went to homeopaths, because outcomes were better for many things if you just took a placebo, up until just the last few decades.
1 lordfartsquad 2017-10-04
This is such a fallacy, I personally believe in medicine but if you think it's harmful that's your perogative. My only confusion is how that justifies homeopathy - even if medicine is harmful, how is literal superstition any better.
Find an alternative medicine with ACTUAL science behind it like drinking green tea and excercising regularly or some shit, don't use homeopathy and don't encourage others to do so, it's just misinformation.
1 lf11 2017-10-04
I personally believe in medicine as well, but I have no illusions over how harmful medicine was in the 1750s when homeopathy was invented. Considering that medical errors are the 3rd leading cause of death, I think some concern about modern medicine is more than warranted.
If a serious medical error hasn't happened to you that's fine, that's your prerogative. However, I work in hospitals and I personally think you should be a little more wary.
1 lordfartsquad 2017-10-04
I don't have blind faith in medicine. I just have blind faith in homeopathy being bullshit. Because it is.
1 lf11 2017-10-04
Of course it is. It's still a shitload better than leeching and mercury (which was top-of-the-line care when homeopathy was invented).
Even in modern medicine, placebo is better than treatment sometimes.
1 rocketmarket 2017-10-04
You're misunderstanding them. They aren't defending homeopathy, they're saying if homeopathy does nothing -- which you agree with -- and the medical treatment does actual harm, then you're better off doing nothing, i.e. homeopathy.
1 dennisbergkamp10 2017-10-04
What I like to remind people is that the word Pharmacy is derived from the word Farm, where back in the good old days, the remedies were found at the local farm to help the sick and ill... I see eyes brows raised when I mention this.
Again work in Health Care, the amount of people i see carrying in a bag of medications, I mean some people are taking 10-18 different meds, all mainly Medicare / Medicaid / Tricare insured patients. These people are so fucked up they believe they are lucky to be over treated and the hands of Doctors who are pushed by the Pharmaceutical companies.
1 lf11 2017-10-04
In health care as well. 18 meds is common, double that is common. Most of the chronic disease we see can and should be treated with food first, medications last, but almost never are.
1 dennisbergkamp10 2017-10-04
Not forgetting some exercise within the ability of their issues. Agree.
1 Wood_Warden 2017-10-04
Death By Medicine documentary: https://youtu.be/RwCUDCQMLwY
Phenomenal facts showing that modern medicine is the greatest cause of death. ER situations are great, but most all else is garbage that causes more harm than good.
1 AngryD09 2017-10-04
Great post. Not sure how it works in with conspiracy theories exactly but it should be mentioned:
Only Heart Disease And Cancer Exceed Medical Errors As Causes Of Death ...
Kinda messed up to be required by federal law to buy health insurance considering.
1 MeowYouveDoneIt 2017-10-04
Just learned about this one in school. Medical errors are absolutely terrifying, but we really are doing everything we can to prevent them and change the system to help prevent them too. These errors are made by the actual healthcare providers and not big corporations, so it is something that will be fixed, as those who provide healthcare USUALLY actually care about the patients and their well being.
1 lf11 2017-10-04
If it was up the providers, there would be no errors at all.
1 targetedindividual 2017-10-04
Being the No. 3 cause of death I rather let an AI to check my vitals, body and give me a diagnosis than a physician (maybe even surgery one day). Don't get me wrong, some people really care and work an insane amount of hours, but i'm pragmatic about results.
1 FauxMoGuy 2017-10-04
Wouldn’t this number be inflated anyway though? I have no numbers or data for this, but anecdotally, if someone has an illness or injury that would kill them, and they get treatment, more often than not the treatment would work out and they wouldn’t die, so it drastically lowers death rates of the disease. But if there’s complications and the person dies, no matter what the disease or injury was, they would all be grouped as medical errors? I’ve also thought that saying cancer is the top cause of death is just as disingenuous, because there are hundreds of different types of cancers that arise for thousands of different and very complex reasons that have both environmental or genetic origins (or both). Cancer is just the big overarching term for when your cells forget how to kill themselves and keep multiplying, but it’s not one disease, it’s more like a characteristic symptom
1 Wood_Warden 2017-10-04
Actually, it's the number one cause (and that still doesn't count several high numbers from other factors): https://youtu.be/RwCUDCQMLwY
1 Crooked-man 2017-10-04
https://youtu.be/dhB0aFm6MP4 This is worth a listen when you have time to spare. The 1964 murder of a nationally known cancer researcher sets the stage for this gripping expos of medical professionals enmeshed in covert government operations over the course of three decades. Following a trail of police records, FBI files, cancer statistics, and medical journals, this revealing book presents evidence of a web of medical secret-keeping that began with the handling of evidence in the JFK assassination and continued apace, sweeping doctors into coverups of cancer outbreaks, contaminated polio vaccine, the arrival of the AIDS virus, and biological weapon research using infected monkeys.
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-04
I included a detailed write up of this story ITT.
1 Zafocaine 2017-10-04
How about the meme going around with ten mass shooters (including the newest addition), blaming psychotropic drugs instead of strictly pharmaceuticals for the shootings.
Anyone know what non-pharmaceutical is also a psychotropic? That's right, kids. Cannabis.
I don't know. You tell me.
1 ScarpaDiem 2017-10-04
You think weed is causing mass shooting? Da fuck is wrong with you, boy?
1 Zafocaine 2017-10-04
I'm indicating that public opinion is up for grabs, and the meme or memes I'm referring to are telling people that psychotropics (like cannabis) are the cause, rather than identifying the drugs responsible as pharmaceuticals.
Da fuck is wrong with your reading comprehension, boy?
1 XIX_SANS_XIX 2017-10-04
Rife ray
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-04
For those unfamiliar with this topic, he's referring to Royal Rife who invented an extremely powerful microscope in the 1930's and claimed to be able to use frequency to "weaken or destroy pathogens by energetically exciting destructive resonances in their constituent chemicals."
Unfortunately for Rife, the scientific establishment in the 1940's and 50's was even more entrenched and close-minded than even today:
1 missleavenworth 2017-10-04
I was a biomedical equipment tech 15 years ago. I kept up with some of the new equipment manufacturers were trying to patent. Bayer was trying to make a machine that vibrated organs to a specific frequency that was their natural "healthy" frequency. In essence, a rife machine. It never came out.
1 XIX_SANS_XIX 2017-10-04
Could we make it ourselves?
1 A__Waws321 2017-10-04
Maybe. Vibration therapy is used by therapist. Sorry this might be a little long. I accidentally may have found a frequency that seems to have ended my FMS overnight. I have had chronic achy pain for 40 years. Not joints just fascia. I literally thought everyone hurt until sitting in a class on fibromyalgia while in school. I never responded well to meds ( or wasn't willing to put up with the side effects). I usually took a tramadol & just kept moving. 2/16 I ended chemo and started a drug that gave me joint pain for the first time ever. 12 months later I stopped it almost unable to walk. My son races cars and we had just bought a large car hauler. Because I could not sleep I climbed into a little bed over the generator . I slept the first time for 10 hrs. When I woke up something was different. The achy pain was gone. A very strange feeling since I live with it everyday. It took 4 months to get the other medicine out of my system and get rid of the joint pain but the familiar aching has really never returned. Sometimes I actually missed it because it was apart of me. I have laid on it a couple of times since but really just because. I have had another reaction to a different medicine so I have about given up on all of them. I have told several drs and they don't know what to think except not to stop. These are drs. That know my history and now I have stopped all but reflux medicine. I was taking meds for chronic migraines but have since stopped them with no problem. ( 20 or so a month). I hope this wasn't confusing. I wish I knew how to tell what frequency it is.
1 eiggaMAD 2017-10-04
Was the drug levaquin?
1 RPmatrix 2017-10-04
Mate! That's an amazing story ... imho you should do an IaMA or something about it ... I think you're correct in 'guessing' a 'connection' between that generator's effect on you and it would be well worth seeing if anyone else has had a similar experience
Lol, I actually know what you mean! I had a terrible back pain for over a decade which was 'cured' with surgery, and I too kindof 'missed it' when it was gone, as, it was a 'part of me/my day' and affected everything I did! IME people who 'feel this way' have been through a 'personal hell' and escaping from it seems kind of 'surreal' ... like something's missing! Which it is!
I guess that's another demonstration of how well we/our bodies can adapt to all sorts of things
1 A__Waws321 2017-10-04
Yes that is how I feel. I have hurt for 40+ years but really felt lucky that I never had joint pain and I was so use to it that things like childbirth was snap.
It is really strange for it to be gone. What is an IME. I don't really know much about Reddit. But their is a therapist here in town doing vibration therapy but it is standing and at 20 minute intervals.
1 RPmatrix 2017-10-04
Indeed we can! http://www.royal-rife-machine.com/
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-04
Bayer huh?
They probably realized the tech would make 99% of their bullshit obsolete.
1 MeowYouveDoneIt 2017-10-04
You mean patent the idea so nobody else can make it?
1 Free__Will 2017-10-04
There's a Ted talk on this... research has finally started again in this area!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w0_kazbb_U
1 forewarned_forearmed 2017-10-04
Wow, that's an interesting video. I wonder how many people think he's just spouting bullshit.
1 Estamio2 2017-10-04
Everybody knows this by now, Cannabis was recognized as medicine by experts in the 1880's.
From Dr. Beard (1889):
Begin treatment early, before the disease is at its height. This rule is as important in the treatment of sick headache as in the treatment of a common cold. (See Common Cold.) Commence treatment as soon as you suspect that an attack is coming on. Some persons can foretell when they are to have an attack for several hours in advance; others have very little warning.
Take 1 or 2 grains (.06 or .12 gram) of citrate of caffeine dry on the tongue. Repeat the dose in half an hour if there is no relief. Some can bear 3 or 4 grains (.18 or .24 gram) at a dose. Begin with moderate doses. This is a wonderful remedy for sick headache. I have called the attention of many physicians to this, and their results confirm mine. Caffeine is easy to take, is not unpleasant, is not dangerous in moderate doses. It is the active principle common to coffee, tea, chocolate, and guarana. It acts in some cases, when just the proper dose is taken, with magical power. The only objection to its use is that it keeps one awake if taken late in the evening. One can take it and go right on about the routine of business.
Take a pill of cannabis indica (Indian hemp), ½ or 1/3 of a grain (.03 or .02 gram). Repeat in half an hour if necessary, or double the dose. This remedy sometimes succeeds when caffeine fails, or when caffeine has worn out its virtue by long use.
The following pill :
Extract of cannabis indica, ½ drachm (2 grams), " "guarana, 1 ½ scruple (1.87 gram), Citrate of caffeine, 1 drachm (4 grams), Mix, and make into sixty pills.
DOSE. -Take one pill and repeat the dose in one hour if necessary.
TL:DR
I present this as evidence of medical corruption coming from outside the community of Doctors; their recommendations sidelined by conspiratorial agenda. While I know this is mainstream now, it remains clear evidence that severe Medical Conspiracy occurred, and thus, probably is occurring.
1 stordoff 2017-10-04
Around the same time (1895), Bayer were marketing diacetylmorphine as Heroin for use as a cough suppressant, and claimed it to be a "non-addictive morphine substitute". For obvious reasons, Heroin is no longer used as an anti-tussive.
I do believe that cannabis likely has wide range of medical applications (particularly for pain relief), and more research should be done and made available, but I don't think a recommendation from 1889 is particularly strong evidence (at least on its own).
1 Estamio2 2017-10-04
You are right, I would not want many treatments mentioned in that (1889) book. Being pre-antbiotics, he often mentions "try this and if that fails, then maybe this..."
My point as it applies to the topic is that there was (a now famous) medical blackout of Cannabis-as-medicine in the 20th Century.
Dr. Beard further comments that headache affects "every household" and that people are "obliged to treat themselves".
So, we have had a hundred years of "take an aspirin and call me in the morning" (Bayer again!) When it would have been "take a cannabis pill...", unless of course it is discovered to fail it's hype!
1 CinderellasABitch 2017-10-04
Sippin on that syzzurp
1 Catsarenotreptilians 2017-10-04
Ceramine. Your welcome.
Works through CB1 receptor.
1 podcastman 2017-10-04
The Dark Secret of the MIT Science Club for Children
In the late 1940s, Boyce was one of some 90 children, most of whom were classified as “feeble-minded,” selected by MIT to be used as test subjects. With offers of free meals and Boston Red Sox tickets, they’d been coaxed to join a “Science Club” without knowing that their inclusion would make them guinea pigs for various radiation-laden nutrition studies funded by Quaker Oats.
https://priceonomics.com/the-mit-science-club-for-disabled-children/
1 dennisbergkamp10 2017-10-04
This shit makes my blood boil, who the fuck do they think they are? Sickening.
1 apextek 2017-10-04
The Vegas shooter sold his plane to USH inc, a psychological health mental health lobby, chaired at the time included Rick Santorum. https://web.archive.org/web/20110202235954/http://www.uhsinc.com/boardofdirectors.php
the plane then changed hands to Chicago investment banker John W Rogers, who registers it under his Defense firm Volant Inc that reads like a CIA spook outfit. Its my belief that USH inc may be a psy ops project.
1 GuyWith3Testicles 2017-10-04
The Volants are different tho. I saw this in another thread. One was Volant LLC and one was Volant, Inc or some shit. One is a defense company and one is unknown
1 Bumbles_McChungus 2017-10-04
Holy shit, axo, is this your pet issue or something? Tons of new info for me to dig into :D
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-04
;)
1 Wood_Warden 2017-10-04
Health is perhaps the most important topic to discuss. I may have started my journey through Mythology and Cosmology, but it seems that all truth seekers end up going down the Health rabbit-hole at some point. It's important for every type of person and in the end, being healthy and preventing disease with proper diet, exercise, spirituality, de-stressing/being happy, enough sleep and having purpose are key to being an efficient and authentic human being.
1 bukvich 2017-10-04
Nancy Turner Banks and Peter Duesberg.
AIDS, Opium, Diamonds and Empire N. T. Banks
THE SLOW DEATH OF THE AIDS/CANCER PARADIGM N. T. Banks
Inventing the AIDS Virus P. H. Duesberg
Banks is an M.D. and Duesberg is a molecular biology professor.
Tim Kelly interviewed Banks in February 2016. It is one of his first interviews where he really started to get his mojo.
I am agnostic on who is right but it is telling that mainstream opinion is these people are kooks who deserve to be ignored. They are both obviously expert and they would be engaged if the Be Powers were not utterly corrupt.
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-04
Great post...Duesberg is some serious high level conspiracying.
1 aletoledo 2017-10-04
Not a single comment about vaccines? It seems like the most obvious conspiracy.
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-04
Multiple comments have been about vaccines ITT so far...
1 Wood_Warden 2017-10-04
Dr Susan Humphries on Vaccines: https://youtu.be/SFQQOv-Oi6U
The Silent Epidemic: https://youtu.be/K1m3TjokVU4
The Drugging of Our Children: https://youtu.be/26e5PqrCePk
Autism Made in the USA: https://youtu.be/QDj0mzcyQQc
1 its_never_lupus 2017-10-04
It's not really a conspiracy but the BBC just posted a piece about Vozrozhdeniya Island, an abandoned Soviet germ warfare testing site.
1 A__Waws321 2017-10-04
No Letrozole. It is a hormone blocker and the they gave me Plaquenil to help with those side effects and it caused a whole new set up problems. 1 month no meds I am almost normal.
1 AKDKDontAskDontTell 2017-10-04
I thought I was going to be disappointed by this roundtable. I was right, I am disappointed....with America
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-04
wut
1 BlueSkyNws 2017-10-04
looking for a [biofeedback leak] with a red color screen. Anyone know something relevant and where to find it?
1 hockeyislife91 2017-10-04
http://hourofthetime.com/bcmp3/16.mp3
William Milton Cooper's radio broadcast The Hour of the Time. Episode on AIDS
1 kdcomer 2017-10-04
Has anyone here had experiences with depression meds and anti-depressant apathy disorder? (I think that is what it’s called but it has been a while since I’ve looked it up.) I personally believe that I suffered from this but I haven’t found too much info on it.
I’m not really sure what I believe as far as a conspiracy goes with this, and while I do think that some people do need antidepressants and benefit from them, I find it sketchy that so many people report having to go through cycles of their meds not working anymore and then having to start on something else. It almost looks like an endless, hopeless cycle of meds that someone is making a lot of money off of.
1 DonnaGail 2017-10-04
Not an anti-depressant, but Adderall (for ADD). It made me mean! And I'm a very nice person in real life. But it made me agitated and aggravated. I would verbally pick fights (and I never do that!). I finally figured out it was the medication and stopped taking it. After 3 days it was out of my system and I was back to my nice self again.
1 CinderellasABitch 2017-10-04
I took Adderall to get through college and your sentiment "it made me mean" is the same exact thing I've told my friends.
1 DonnaGail 2017-10-04
Yes! I stopped taking it.
1 CinderellasABitch 2017-10-04
Me too. Good for you, its not easy to kick. Glad you're on the other side.
1 Wood_Warden 2017-10-04
Paul Joseph Watson discussing depression with kickboxing world champion Andrew Tate: https://youtu.be/Wvvz4h_ZgdI
It is my belief that many people go through tragic events and must go through the process of grief and healing. Speaking from experience, you never really fully heal but there are comforts in (at least in my world view) knowing that there is more than this material plane. They are always with you, this I know.
What the medical establishment tries to do is become a middle-man of grief by selling you a false remedy. One that numbs you to the pain or clouds the mind of the memories. This counterfeit elixir not only robs you of your senses, but of the lessons you are here to learn. Walk bravely into the epic you chose. A flat line is not life. There are peaks and valleys.
1 kdcomer 2017-10-04
Thanks for the link! I will definitely check it out.
1 CinderellasABitch 2017-10-04
So true that you have to grieve and medication robs you of that lesson. I have a personal theory that this is why the veterans of the Viet Nam War are the most connected to the debilitating PTSD. They used opium heavily throughout their trauma and therefore never processed it properly.
1 bannana 2017-10-04
Sugar industry paid off scientists to downplay the dangers of sugar and vilified fat as the culprit and we all ended up obese with type II and heart disease.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2016/09/sugar-industry-bought-off-scientists-skewed-dietary-guidelines-for-decades/
1 Free__Will 2017-10-04
I'm very surprised to see nothing yet about the Pharma company Eli Lilly, who among countless other crimes whih they've paid billions in fines for, knew and hid the fact that Prozac increased the risk of suicide in teens for years. They are a horrible, horible company: https://www.publicintegrity.org/2011/05/09/4499/during-mitch-daniels-decade-eli-lilly-drug-giant-paid-billions-fines-and-settled
1 Wood_Warden 2017-10-04
Ages 10-34 for Males, suicide is the number two cause of death: https://www.cdc.gov/healthequity/lcod/men/2014/all-males/index.htm
It's absurd. I am of the belief that many of these suicides are caused from side effects from pharmaceuticals. "Suicidal ideation" is among the side effects.
1 Unholy_VI 2017-10-04
Kind of a medical/Armed forces conspiracy theory:
Looking back on my time in the Army I'm starting to feel pretty sure that we were being given HGH and steroids. I went in at age 20 and grew about an inch and a half and went from sort of skinny-fat to jacked in 2.5 years with very little physical exercise outside the normal morning callisthenics's which was heavily weighted toward running.
Having a few symptoms later in life too that resemble what a steroid user would have although I've never knowingly done a steroid. It wouldn't be the first time the USA gave something to soldiers without their knowledge.
I'm sure my long term health is sacrifice that my superiors were willing to make to have jacked, quick healing, abnormally violent 'supersoldiers'. Wondering if anyone else in the service in the 90's looking back on it thinks this might be the case.
1 Wood_Warden 2017-10-04
Have you seen the 1998 documentary Gulf War Syndrome, a Deadly Legacy? https://youtu.be/T_KtT_0MJJU
It has amazing insights on the experimental vaccines used on army personnel. It discusses how the suits they were given had vulnerabilities that let in toxins.
1 Unholy_VI 2017-10-04
I'll check it out. Thanks for the link!
1 wile_e_chicken 2017-10-04
The Cancer Epidemic: Causes, Crimes, Corruption
1 stickdog99 2017-10-04
Plane Crashes, WR Grace, Deadly Asbestos, WTC Collapse & Wellstone:
https://web.archive.org/web/20060215141408/https://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID60/28856.html
1 stickdog99 2017-10-04
The toxicity of aluminum in vaccines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaExaqCv5vo
1 boomer95 2017-10-04
I once heard that blood is big business. We donate it for free, but insurance companies pay out the ass for it when people need transfusions, so someone is making a lot of money on free blood.
1 CinderellasABitch 2017-10-04
Same thing with the stem cells in our sons circumcised remnants, our placentas and etc.
1 BlueSkyNws 2017-10-04
Anyone know about a red screen biotechnology leak and where to find it?
1 BlazerMan420 2017-10-04
There's no argument that medical marijuana has been held down. Things are finally changing.
1 startingover_nova 2017-10-04
Only now they want to own it and regulate it.
1 Wood_Warden 2017-10-04
HIV = AIDS Deconstructing The Myth Of AIDS
AIDS research has failed because it has never really found the cause.
Over 100,000 research papers published on HIV/AIDS and there was no direct proof that HIV causes AIDS. It took less money and scientific talent to land on the moon. We have spent over 40 Billion (1995, time of this movie) dollars already.
What exactly is killing the T-Cells that allow opportunistic infections in?
Who was first to say it was even a retrovirus? Dr. Robert Gallo. He failed to prove retroviruses caused cancer in his previous decades work. Also he had NOT submitted his test results (for HIV/AIDS) for peer review before an important conference telling the world that it was HIV that causes AIDS. Added to that, The Institute Pasteur in Paris claimed that Gallo's "AIDS" Virus was actually their discovery (LAV) they sent him 6 months prior to a conference in 1984. Dr. Luc Montagnier (who discovered HIV) has even stated "HIV might be benign."
April 23 1984; The press conference that invented the aids virus. It was also stated they would have a cure within two (1986) years. As the Press conference was going on... ...the blood test used to detect HIV was being patented, which would earn large royalties for Gallo and his ilk.
The previously mentioned test results were then published a week after this conference in Science magazine. When it was more thoroughly examined, "Only 44 of 93 AIDS patients tested had the virus (HIV) ~ less than half" Yet, Gallo claims in "further studies he could find HIV in 90% of AIDS patients tested."
Dr. Peter Duesberg Ph D of Berkley (considered by some, the foremost retrovirus analyzer - first to map genomes of virus' etc) in 1987 put out a review claiming HIV is not causing AIDS. He also claimed HIV is an old harmless virus that has been in humans for centuries. Nobel Prize winners Dr. Walter Gilbert and Dr. Kary Mullis also question the validity of HIV = AIDS.
Several of these men and women formed The Group for Scientific Reappraisal of the HIV/AIDS Hypothesis. The letter they sent was rejected by Nature Magazine, the New England Journal, JAMA and The Lancet. It was only four sentances long.
After it was rejected, the Group obtained more than the ten to 12 original signatures - it jumped to 30, than 50, 100, and than 600 (188 of which had advanced degrees). They have a website and newsletter of their own, but this Group is ignored by the media and publishers of mainstream magazines.
10 Scientific reason why HIV does not cause AIDS;
1) HIV (like any other viruses) is harmless after antibody immunity. The HIV test searches for the antibodies that are produced to subdue HIV. When a person tests positive to HIV they are immune to the Virus at this point. "There is no known diseases that ever reemerge to cause the illness after the antibodies have done their job."
2) HIV does not kill the T-Cells it infects. HIV researchers use T-Cells to grow the Virus because T-Cells live compatibly with HIV. Retroviruses (unlike animal and other known viruses) do not kill cells, ever.
3) HIV does not infect enough T-Cells to cause AIDS. HIV only infects 1 out of 1,000 T-Cells (and sometimes 1 out of 100,000). T-Cells can reproduce at the rate of 5% per day. HIV cannot infect enough T-Cells to completely shift the balance. Simple math~
4) HIV has no AIDS causing gene. HIV has no unique reason to cause AIDS. All retroviruses have only three major genes; GAG, ENV and POL and only six minor genes. 50-100 different retroviruses infect every healthy human body. All are kept under control by the antibodies. "HIV behaves no differently than other retroviruses."
*5) There is no such thing as a slow virus. HIV is said to take 10-12 years after infection to cause AIDS. This would give HIV "magical abilities" such as; Reactivating, Mutating, Migrating and Hibernating. A retrovirus has effects within days, or weeks (at the most 3 weeks) - all of them, including HIV. It is impossible for HIV to take 10-12 years to activate and cause AIDS.
6) HIV is not a new virus, so it could not cause a "new" epidemic. Aids cases have increased from 0 (1980) to half a million (1996). It must be a new infection to cause the recent AIDS epidemic. Essential Logic: How old is HIV? and where does it come from? HIV is old (older than America) and should not create an epidemic now. HIV has been passed down through every generation for centuries without causing AIDS.
7) HIV fails Kock's Postulates...which "are four criteria designed to establish a causal relationship between a causative microbe (HIV) and a disease (AIDS)."
The organism must; 1. ...be Found in all Cases of the Disease. 10-20% of AIDS patients have no HIV at all. Only tiny amounts of the dormant virus are found. 2. ...be Isolated from the Host and Grown in Pure Culture. 3. ...Cause the Same Disease when injected into a new healthy host. Health care workers accidently infected rarely get AIDS unless they use recreational drugs and AZT (their cure...). 4. ...Must be Found Growing Again in the Newly-Diseased Host.
8) AIDS has remained in it's original risk groups for over 12 years... when an epidemic strikes it affects small groups and then multiplies to the rest. If a disease does not spread...it must be caused by something non-infectious. AIDS Risk groups: Homosexual Males 62% IV Drug Users 32% Hemophiliacs 1% Transfusion Patients 2% Total 97%
If AIDS is truly caused by a Virus...AIDS patients not in the Risk Groups above should be growing above the remaining 3%. AIDS has failed to spread to the female population also. HIV Tests on US Army recruits from 1985-1996 show a spread of 50/50. Yet 9 out of 10 who develop AIDS is Male. More than half of the woman (and 80% of males) with AIDS use IV Drugs. AIDS seems to be more related to behaviour and certain medical risks than it is to HIV infection.
9) The international profile of AIDS patients is inconsistent. Germ-related diseases affect the same demographics world-wide. This is not the case when American and African results were concluded;
America: 90% Male 10% Female (97% in Risk Groups) Africa: 50% Male 50% Female (No Risk Groups)
AIDS hits harder in industrialized nations (America and Europe) because it is believed that more IV Drug use is rampant. Dr. Duesberg even believes that the AIDS strain in Africa is a different one than in America. "Different as day and night."
Philippe Krynem (French Humanitarian) posted in the London Sunday Times (October 3, 1993) "There is no AIDS, it is something that has been invented." After spending time in the so-called "epicenter" of the AIDS epidemic in Africa.
10) AIDS occurs without HIV infection. Most people with HIV never develop AIDS. "The evidence in support of HIV is based solely on correlation." Correlation does not prove causation. If HIV is a harmless passenger Virus we should see: "People with AIDS not infected with HIV" and "People with HIV who are healthy and do not get AIDS." That is exactly what is happening. There are 4,621 (in 1993) documented cases where patients with AIDS do not have HIV.
1 Wood_Warden 2017-10-04
The CDC Definition of AIDS:
Kaposi Sarcoma + HIV = AIDS Kaposi Sarcoma - HIV = Kaposi Sarcoma
Pneumonia + HIV = AIDS Pneumonia - HIV = Pneumonia
Dementia + HIV = AIDS Dementia - HIV = Dementia
This is their definition. If you have HIV with a certain disease, you have AIDS, if HIV is not present - it's the fault of the original disease. There is no HIV specific disease anywhere. Such a joke. This definition of AIDS "creates a near 100% correlation between the virus and AIDS." "This 'correlation' is not objective, or scientific and is deceptively self-fulfilling."
~ as of 1993 Estimate of Total HIV infected: 28,000,000? Total of Officially reported AIDS cases 1,393,649 (5%) HIV Infected without AIDS: 95% *Estimated *Total Aids cased: 7,700,000???
Only 3% of Africans have AIDS with HIV. The other 97% are healthy and without AIDS (even though they have HIV).
Some other claims by Dr. Peter Duesberg; "Aids is not infectious," "Not being spread sexually," "Not a threat to the public at large."
The hypothesis is that "AIDS is caused by recreational drug use and chemotherapy treatments (AZT)." "IV Drugs are the cause of AIDS in 9 out of 10 cases." At this point (53min'sh) Duesberg shows a chart displaying the dramatic rise of AIDS cases per year compared to HIV. HIV is a flat line (for 10 years), unchanging. Figure it out. He then shows Cocaine and Heroine use applied to his chart, and the rise mirrors that of AIDS cases. But once again, correlation =! causation. Atleast in his examples, the facts are based on reason and science. He makes his case at 54 minutes very well.
Nitrates used by homosexual men (poppers) as aphrodesiacs is extremely immuno-suppresant. Rectum tissue is also 1 layer thick (compared to the vagina's 3 layers) which allows for more for foreign protein transfers. These foreign proteins have also been proven to be immuno-suppresant. Also it is known that large amounts of Anti-biotics were/are used by homosexuals which, are as well, immuno-sppresent.
"You can take any group of homosexual or heterosexual men, HIV positive, but not using poppers, cocaine, heroin, or AZT and they will never get AIDS (Aka sarcoma, turbocuelosis + HIV etc)." ~ says Duesberg.
During the AIDS scare AZT is passed in 1987 for use in killing HIV, even though previously it was "too poisonous for cancer treatment." It was tested on animals and deemed "too toxic for use in human beings."
AZT is a DNA Chain Terminator, highly mutagenic and randomly targets bone marrow (where Lumphocyte Immune Cells are being made...the very cells needed most by AIDS patients), Kidneys, Liver, Intestines, Muscle Tissue, the Brain and the Central Nervous System. "AZT causes AIDS defining diseases. It was designed to kill human cells."
Check out the rest from around ~1:05:00 on. It get's even more interesting in the last hour with testimonies, personal accounts and conclusions/implications.
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-04
I've been waiting for comments like these, thank you so much!!
1 CinderellasABitch 2017-10-04
Very interesting and sounds like it could be true... Except for the part about no diseases ever reemerging to cause illness after the initial immune reaction. What about herpes outbreaks and HPV outbreaks that occur in people who have carried the viruses for years, sometimes they have no symptoms, sometimes they have outbreaks.
1 Wood_Warden 2017-10-04
Measles, Back In The Days Before The Marketing Of The Vaccine: https://youtu.be/mDb0ZS3vB9g
1 Tommyteebapps 2017-10-04
Seen many intersting things in the medical industry and have worked within the DME business as well
Sas both my grandmother and uncle die within the hospital 48 hours from their insurance running out and no longer covering their care. Could very well be coincidence
I'll say this. I have an older mother 55 , not terminally ill. Has several problems. Unlike most patients she has 2 insurance companies. Primary and secondary. Meaning all prescriptions and doctor visits and hospital stays are free and the hospitals are guranteed full payment with 14 days
From a business standpoint she is the perfect patient. Ive seen my mother hospitalized and placed in ICU multiple times almost for no reason whatsoever (coherent, no pain etc). ICU is more expensive btw. Run multiple tests etc. Both insurance companies shell out close to a combined 1 million dollars for her care each year. Even by raising her rates both insurance companies end up taking major losses.
1 eyeluvscotch 2017-10-04
DCA (dichloroacetate) has been used to treat Mitochondrial disorders in children since the 70's. Recently they discovered that it has been shown to cure all types of cancer in animal studies. The FDA has stonewalled further clinical trials in the US and it is being pursued in Canada currently. http://medicorcancer.com/dca-dichloroacetate-frequently-asked-questions/
1 Cupressoides 2017-10-04
It hasnt been shown to cure anything. But the evidence available suggests it has an effect on on glioblastomas. They think it is acting on the abnormal mitochondria it that type of cancer and triggering cell death in cells that have abnormal mitochondria. The research was halted because it looked like the DCA was damaging nerves. Newer work has given reason to doubt the nerve damage was caused by the dca but its something that is a serious concern. A treatment for cancers like this would be nice but if it causes brain damage then it is harder to justify its use as a treatment or especially to justify testing on humans. That said its an interesting chemical that is worth investigating. You should be more careful when calling something a cure.
Nerve damage http://m.neurology.org/content/66/3/324 Potential usefulness http://stm.sciencemag.org/content/2/31/31ra34
1 eyeluvscotch 2017-10-04
I'm sorry! You are correct, I did not mean to say "cure" but shown to significantly shrink different types of cancers. Not only Glioblastomas, but Liver, Pancreatic and other various forms. Cure was not the correct word for my comment. But yes, it does show some promise.
1 Cupressoides 2017-10-04
all i saw in my admittedly cursory look was glioblastoma, but the effect on mitchondria implies it would have an effect on a few others. the real trouble with cancer treatment is that there are a lot of ideas that show promise but when we get them into bigger better trials they almost always disappoint. what gets me excited is the possibility that we found out why. it looks like our gut bacteria have been eating cancer drugs. if thats really true and is common with many of the treatments we’ve tried then we might soon be able to go back and make a huge number of these drugs that failed human tests work, and we might be able to get results with lower doses of the drugs we already use. this is where i want to see money go. http://science.sciencemag.org/content/350/6264/1079
1 Catsarenotreptilians 2017-10-04
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6uujlt/cancer_conspiracy/dlvi6z5/?st=j8scv3bi&sh=0f1121f1
Fire is also a cure for cancer, but you won't survive either.
1 Zerophobe 2017-10-04
Never took part in these. Damn these are great!
1 molybdenumsteels 2017-10-04
The whole scheme of corporate municipalities was under threat from polio. Without a solution the cities would be abandoned. All the Western powers were doing research on African villagers. They cultivated the polio in monkey livers then inadvertently infected humanity with the HIV AIDS virus. The origin of AIDS coincides exactly with the location of the polio research.
1 FireSalvo01Yex 2017-10-04
THIS IS AMAZING, THANK YOU
1 BlueSkyNws 2017-10-04
Looking for a red screen biotechnology leak 300$ for info.
1 velcona 2017-10-04
I like the one about how the suger industry blamed health issues on fats and demonized fat from the 60's on.
1 Powered_by_Adderall 2017-10-04
I'm calling it now, the rash of mental illness in the USA is something contagious, I'm guessing a prion.
1 teefymcteephteeth 2017-10-04
Can someone please explain to me why weed is still illegal in England?
1 DrP-DrPapa 2017-10-04
I used to work for the chemistry department at a state university. Our contract was with the military and developing vaccines for the Saudis. For safety, I will not divulge names. You can't imagine the types of fuck-ups that happen with deadly viruses. At one point the freezer went down for a week, for months a senior thesis student mixed supposed antibiotics where no concentration was present.
What is even scarier is that for any vaccine to be considered vialable for consumers, it only has to be effective for 51% of the population. The other 49% could be live, carcinogenic, or purposefully have alternate substances, and pass federal or international regulation. This is the scientific amd medical standard for vaccines. Most normal vaccines babies receive are so automated that this isn't much of an issue, but everything else is a shot in the dark, if not intentionally neglectful or harmful to the masses. I learned this from inernational biochemists who fabricate the vaccines. It is one of the major factors of why I dropped out of physical science altogether, don't blindly trust a doctor, they are only there to take your money.
1 EnoughNoLibsSpam 2017-10-04
Is Harvey Weinstein having his character assassinated because of his work with Robert DiNero making a documentary about vaccines ?
Robert De Niro on Vaccines: ‘Harvey Weinstein and I Are Working on Doing a Documentary’
http://www.indiewire.com/2016/05/robert-de-niro-on-vaccines-harvey-weinstein-and-i-are-working-on-doing-a-documentary-289059/
Why Did Hollywood Suddenly Expose Harvey Weinstein?
https://prepforthat.com/liberals-suddenly-expose-harvey-weinstein/
https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/75vbvk/is_harvey_weinstein_having_his_character/
https://np.reddit.com/r/DebateVaccine/comments/75vsag/is_harvey_weinstein_having_his_character/
1 kloular 2017-10-04
Can someone do this type of research on Lupus and all autoimmune disorders? Why are they so hard to diagnosis? Why is treatment mediocre at best? People with these diseases live a painful life and are basically test dummies and then the disease kills them.
1 pumpkinpyre 2017-10-04
all forms of torture need to be banned, immediately.
1 ditto12345 2017-10-04
Look into the recent CDC Opioid message and narrative (all over news and media), Then look at Illicit Fentanyl vs. Heroin vs. Pharma trafficking numbers at HIDTA cities via DEA early warning reports - look at last few pages of PDFs where they’ve excluded, Then arrest and drug confiscation chem tests, Then overdose stats with Opioid testing via coroners, Then decline in prescriptions and increased prescription controls for a decade now, Time spent in Afghanistan with Poppies - DOD, CIA & DEA, Obamacare to Medicaid expansion and the new “mental health/addiction” vs Prison/decriminalization, Facility funding and program expansion with political claws in all.
The first sentence research has been done and it’s bad. Second is alarming
Dig in, it’ll blow you away.
1 berryfarmer 2017-10-04
Why..is there no mention of iodine suppression in this thread..
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-04
The race to create the polio vaccine was a race entirely based on hubris and not philanthropy.
Those at the forefront didn't care how sloppy the science was or how many children were maimed in the process.
Dr. Ochsner, whose story I get into here even tested one of the experimental polio vaccines on his two grandchildren, killing one and paralyzing the other.
These people have no compunction.
1 jsstealthss 2017-10-04
A study done by whom?
1 Step2TheJep 2017-10-04
I have not been shown empirical data. Somebody posted a link they clearly didn't even read.
1 GregsKnees 2017-10-04
Whats funny is that you still havent replied to my posts about this topic, but replied to me in another part of the thread. You are lame as fuck. I should send your post history to the feds.
1 GregsKnees 2017-10-04
There is info here both for and against anti-aging, though I doubt you will even read any of it
1 macredsmile 2017-10-04
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3bfy8j/after_getting_631_points_80_upvoted_117_comments/
1 lf11 2017-10-04
I personally believe in medicine as well, but I have no illusions over how harmful medicine was in the 1750s when homeopathy was invented. Considering that medical errors are the 3rd leading cause of death, I think some concern about modern medicine is more than warranted.
If a serious medical error hasn't happened to you that's fine, that's your prerogative. However, I work in hospitals and I personally think you should be a little more wary.
1 pmmeyourproblemsolva 2017-10-04
Okay
1 Step2TheJep 2017-10-04
How do you know that?
1 axolotl_peyotl 2017-10-04
wow didn't know! That must have happened since I gathered this info a number years back.
Thanks for all your contributions to this thread btw.
1 rocketmarket 2017-10-04
There were so many openings for you to make so many good points, and this is what you chose?
1 rocketmarket 2017-10-04
You're misunderstanding them. They aren't defending homeopathy, they're saying if homeopathy does nothing -- which you agree with -- and the medical treatment does actual harm, then you're better off doing nothing, i.e. homeopathy.
1 dennisbergkamp10 2017-10-04
This shit makes my blood boil, who the fuck do they think they are? Sickening.