Who is "they". This is the Dailymail so most likely just inaccurate reporting.

Im not buying the 'range card' story at all. If that were the case why can't we see it?

why should we see it? i find it absolutely laughable that people think they should get to see things like, especially so soon

I think the better question is why does he need it. Literally shooting at fish in a barrel. No need to be accurate unless you are targeting an individual.

he almost certainly expected people to scatter and take cover

"That one's getting away! I better check my notes while I'm firing this automatic weapon at him, because I dont know how to walk it in."

One outta 22 000.

Not only that but if he did calculate he angle, he would need a compass or angle finder on the gun to know if he was pointing it right.

Heh, a compass? If he had that everyone'd be pointing at the Freemasons, let alone having a giant pyramid and obelisk next to a mass blood sacrifice.

Shooting from 1,600 feet away is hardly shooting fish in a barrel, even if it is a crowd of 20,000.

Those rounds can travel up to a mile (or better) the distance from what he was wanting to hit is hardly relevant. He wasn't aiming or more people would be dead. He didn't need to aim because it was a dense crowd If people. All he had to do was knock out a window. Aim in the general direction and sweep his weapon. Upon reload he'd just start in a slightly different spot... maybe a foot or so from where he started before. This isn't rocket science. The rounds will travel until something stops them or they lose velocity and drop. He literally had to do nothing more than point and shoot.

I'm aware of the metrics. However, the people comparing him to having zero shooter knowledge or that his age would negatively impact his skills as a shooter are ridiculous.

You could not hand a bump-stock equipped AR-15 to someone that's never fired a weapon, place them in the 32nd floor of a building and expect them to shoot into a crowd of 20,000 from nearly a 1/4 mile away.

That's bc people remember 911 when they found a passport blocks away and deduced it was bin laden by the end of the night.

Lmao yes

The fbi and CIA were both independently tracking the hijackers and bin laden before the attack. Their lack of communication allowed the attack to occur, but it didn't take long afterwards for the two organizations to share their Intel and draw conclusions.

This was some guy off the radar who went nuts and shot a ton of people.

How did a passport fall undamaged onto the street from a plane which crashed into an enormous building in a fiery explosion?

There were a lot more things found than just a passport, but that always gets overlooked as it doesn't support the planted passport theory first perpetrated in ferenheight 9/11, the most successful fauxumentary in history, in that it made people believe it was legit.

The fbi and CIA were both independently tracking the hijackers and bin laden

There were never any hijackers on that day, they were remote controlled into the towers, then the three skyscrapers were demolished via controlled demolition and Bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11 at all

I'm assuming you have some sort of evidence to back this claim up, right? Conspiracy theories are about following evidence that contradicts an official story to present an alternative theory, not outright making shit up.

What evidence do you have?

He asks after insisting on his own version of the story WITHOUT EVIDENCE

Bin Laden, Lee Harvey Oswald, Stephen Paddock, all patsies.

Woke

Because the lack of information feeds speculation and mistrust of the authorities. If they’re so sure he acted alone and he’s dead why wait to disclose information?

if everything is genuine then their priority is dealing with the case, not appeasing conspiracy theorists

It's not 'conspiracy theorists' it's all the witnesses and victims who are saying that the authorities and the media are lying. I guess that because they're questioning the official narrative that just means they're conspiracy theorists and should be instantly dismissed according to you.

dont put words in peoples mouths, its dishonest

You are doing a good job defending the official narrative. I commend you.

the official narrative is that its an fbi sting gone wrong? are you sure about that?

You're quite combative. Almost like you want angry reactions to your comments.

And you're on the side of the authorities. Quite telling.

i like to remain objective and look at all angles, so yes, i will question literally everything that is said if i am able to. even if that means "arguing" a point i dont believe to be true because that promotes thought.

are you suggesting that only msm/official narrative should be questioned?

but you're not being objective. You are quite blatantly defending the FBI's POV.

youve got no idea what the fbi or police POV on the note is.

yes, i am completely of the opinion that right now, this soon, the public is not entitled to demand the authorities hand over evidence to them

No matter what their POV is, I'm sure you will defend them.

and the times are argue against them, against the msm narrative, thats just part of my cover?

You're the one who seems to have all the answers, even though the narrative being presented has inconsistencies at the least and honestly is just flat unbelievable imho. Everyone can see what you're doing here, and it isn't working.

nah, im just not confining myself to either bubble, not the msm bubble or the conspiracy bubble

I'll settle for some actual critical thinking lacking unwavering viewpoints. I believe you to be incredibly dishonest in my subjective opinion.

show me an example of me being dishonest

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/750vjy/has_anyone_come_up_with_a_reason_for_it_taking/

Almost as laughable as a guy needing to do "calculations" to shoot thousands of rounds into a crowd of 20,000 from an elevated position.

are you unable to think of any hint of a rebuttal to your comment?

Sure. The rebuttals are stretched, and disconnected from reality, but sure.

Have you ever tried to fire entire magazines from "bumpstocks", while sticking to calculations? Hint: After the first round, calculations fly... out the window. And after the first reload, getting back to "calculated" shooting is unnecessary and time consuming.

Even with a machine gun (more likely), the same principles apply. After the first couple rounds, you're walking it in, not aiming individual rounds.

ok heres mine...

he had sights, scopes, whatever you want to call them. that suggests he was expecting to be aiming at things and prepared for it. scopes + details on distances and trajectories. those things match up.

he almost certainly didnt expect people to just stand around in the open. he was expecting people to run for cover and to have to target them. when they just stayed put that is when his MO changed, he thought fuck it, i can just spray them randomly because im bound to hit plenty of them.

That doesn't match reality, as I expected. He started off with potshots, went into belt or drum auto spraying, fumbled around with a jam for a minute or so, then got back to spraying.

Starting off with potshots indicates that this wasn't about mass casualties, as much as mass hysteria. Any idiot who'd bothered to do "calculations" wouldn't start with pot shots. You just open up, and let the rate of fire do all the work.

nah. posing complete guesses as absolute conclusions youre even further from reality. if you said something like "ok, that sounds plausible, but i dont agree because..." then it would at least look like youre trying to assess things objectively.

You started the guessing game. And your guesses don't even match the video evidence, or the rationale of a person "calculating" for maximum effectiveness.

What you called my "absolute conclusions" aren't absolute at all. It's reasonable speculation, based on audio/video evidence, assuming the one-shooter scenario. If it was one guy, it was an idiot, who fired off several warning shots before he really opened up. He also had only one primary weapon, based on the ridiculous delays in firing. If he was using all of those prop bumpstocks, he would've just swapped out right away, for a jam.

If it was multiple shooters "handing off", then the entire note discussion is completely irrelevant.

Optics did the math for you. Most have predetermined lines. Put line of distance you want on body, pull trigger.

Common military ones are even easier. The line is the length of a persons shoulder at a specific distance. Put the line that best matches your targets shoulders and pull.

Put the line that best matches your targets shoulders and pull.

wait, thats what the lines are for? does that work in gaming too? i cant believe ive never heard of that before lol

If it's like a trijicon, a ACOG for example, yes lol. In this example the "4" line is about the width of a shoulder at 400 meters. That's for I believe.. 20 inch barrel with 62 gr ammo. The difference isnt too different for other rounds though. Things like barrel twists are also factors.

https://www.trijicon.com/images/product_reticles/TA31RCO-M4CP_reticle_popup.jpg

If it's like a trijicon, a ACOG for example, yes lol. In this example the "4" line is about the width of a shoulder at 400 meters. That's for I believe.. 20 inch barrel with 62 gr ammo. The difference isnt too different for other rounds though. Things like barrel twists are also factors.

https://www.trijicon.com/images/product_reticles/TA31RCO-M4CP_reticle_popup.jpg

I'm going to have to completely re evaluate the way I have aimed at anything ever. No wonder I was shit at counter strike

Evidently you can't either.

ok heres mine... he had sights, scopes, whatever you want to call them. that suggests he was expecting to be aiming at things and prepared for it. scopes + details on distances and trajectories. those things match up. he almost certainly didnt expect people to just stand around in the open. he was expecting people to run for cover and to have to target them. when they just stayed put that is when his MO changed, he thought fuck it, i can just spray them randomly because im bound to hit plenty of them.

Seems to me there was something he HAD to hit hence the scope. Tannerite/thermite "painted" fuel tanks? For the crowd... jaysus that's not rocket science. In a tightly packed crowd aim down and wave the gun back and forth while firing. Reload aim down in slightly different direction rinse and repeat. He didn't need to aim or sight anything. He couldn't miss. If he had one particular person or a small group of people sure... he'd have to be more focused in his aim. But all he really had to do was point and shoot. Thankfully he WASNT aiming expertly or more people would be dead.

The idea that he used a range card with a bump stock... pretty sure most people familiar with that would LOL no.

people get fixated on one perspective too easily and discount complete plausible possibilities....

The idea that he used a range card with a bump stock

ive not said he used a range card with a bumpstock and i dont know if the authorities have.

He didn't need to aim or sight anything. He couldn't miss.

i am as sure as i can be that he never expected people to just stand there. i would expect he expected everyone to run, scatter, try to find cover. its fair to assume he expected to have to aim at targets. when they didnt, that is when he realised he could just go full auto the whole time and didnt need to aim.

It's evidence from the biggest shooting in modern times and was collected by organizations that run on our taxes. We can demand it.

and what if it contains sensitive info that jeopardizes their ability to do their job?

Then don't run the public around in circles involving the words of a man who injured 500+ people and killed almost 60. If it contains sensitive info, fucking say it. Instead we get 3 different explanations in as many days.

Then they can say that and give as much detail as they are able. But they haven't said that, they've said first that it was nothing, then that it had calculations, and now that it had phone numbers. It's ridiculous.

first of all he said he didnt recall what was on it, but it was not a suicide note.

can you show me where someone in authority said it contained phone numbers? im not doubting you, but i would like to see the full context

like the suspecticide pic released so soon, why not just tell us he shot himself twice in the ed,

Why is it laughable? Why do you subscribe to the idea that the people should accept secrecy from authorities when their lives are at stake? Most people don't buy that this was one person and that multiple shooters or others were involved, people who are on the loose. In which case, the public should be given absolute transparency, so that people can come forward if they know something and the evidence ehlps them put two and two together, and so the public are aware and vigilant. It's insane to me that after everything that's been lied about, and all the times they've fucked up, people still just hand over complete trust to the authorities to such an extent that they 'laugh' at those demanding information and answers, as though we don't live in a democracy at all, and should all 'know our place.' Fuck that!

its laughable because its part of an ongoing case in a huge deal of a criminal investigation in an incident that literally just happened.

what if the police want other suspects to think that note may have contained more than it does?

The MSM tells them to laugh at us.

"We must speak the truth about terror. Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th; malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty. To inflame ethnic hatred is to advance the cause of terror."

Maybe it was info to help sell the weapons. That could supports the theory of a weapons sale gone bad.

The only reason I can think of is that they would be releasing the math on how to fire upon a group of people from that floor again. But I don't buy it at all, this whole story has been a complete shit show.

Dude, I've got an app on my phone that can calculate dope/ballistics in a few seconds. Releasing the "math" isn't even remotely a thing

To be fair that was just what I could think of off the top of my head. I don't think the note says that at all anyway.

It's not a range card because there's no reason whatsoever to calculate anything when you're firing into a crowd using a bump stock. This is a coverup, plain and simple.

Have you read any more about what happened that day other than the crowd was shot? Serious question. Airport tanks being shot etc...

Yes. Because that was what the MSM was reporting. I personally didn't believe that for a second, because it makes no sense.

Yeah, bump stock equipped rifles are notoriously inaccurate because the barrel is essentially moving back and forth with the recoil. The only thing that calculating range would be good for is the very first shot after each burst. It makes no sense. http://www.ktvq.com/story/36543971/bump-stocks-under-scrutiny-after-vegas-shooting

At that elevation (roughly 320+ feet in the air) and those distances (roughly 400-500 yards depending on where the weapon was pointed) and the barrel rise of blasting that many rounds through a "bumpstock" I'd have to say that a good amount of rounds should have been fired above the horizon. It's nearly impossible to shoot a bumpstop equiped weapon accurately at even 30 yards, much less 10+x that distance.

Why the fuck would you need to calc range for spraying people in a box with an automatic?

Honest question. I'm familiar enough with guns, but it aint a religion for me. But I see no rational reason for him calculating this.

Exactly. None of the factors that call for the use of those types of calculations were present.

The AR10 could have possibly been connected with a range card but he never used anything that was remotely close to that weapon. Everything he shot had a high ROF.

The AR10 could have possibly been connected with a range card but he never used anything that was remotely close to that weapon. Everything he shot had a high ROF.

There wouldn't be a need for a range card, all his range card would be is a damn cone showing where he can effectively hit. Which would be pointless.

And they said he had no military background... is a range card something a newbie would use, if he weren't aware it were pointless?

How does that push the gun control agenda? To me it just makes it look like guns are hard to use without the proper training.

occam's razor

Which is the simplest explanation: government kills 60 of its own people, OR government pretends to kill sixty of its own people? Relevant info.

Well if the reports are true shots were fired at airport tanks that would explain needing to zero in and do some math. Why are people only thinking about the crowd shooting as if that's the only thing that did happen or was supposed to happen?

And you are using rumors and guesses about what he might have been doing to tell me what I should be doing. You know, you bring up a good idea, but you are a fuck about it. How useless is that?

Not a fuck about it just tired of seeing a herd of people come to conclusions because they have horse blinders on only thinking of one thing.

Range card my ass. You don't need to calculate anything when you're shooting blindly into a crowd. I believe the phone number list more.

Likewise.

Maybe if it actually was a range card it was in the same bag as a gun he used and just fell out when he took the gun out? Maybe its useless information, just trying to brainstorm.

A $150 hunting scopewill do this fo you. Just need to know the range, which would have been known to do “paper calculations”

But someone please explain how the hell you adjust / calibrate a RIFLE?

You don't just attach a scope and viola! It shoots perfect.

Everyone must adjust their scope to get an accurate & tight grouping.

Source: former Military

I'll just leave this here

if you hear inconsistencies like this come from official sources you might be on to something, but when its coming from 2nd and 3rd hand reporting you just have to put it down to human error

you just have to

You just have to.

Just highlighted this in another thread. What the serious fuck?

Surprised there not claiming it was a list of social security numbers

Dude it was tomorrows winning lottery numbers time traveler confirmed.

Nah brah... there were three phone numbers.. obama's cell, Putin's hot line, and George Soros' command and control center line.

Are you sure. My cousin told me is was a sudoko but instead of numbers all the squares where filled with "Jeb Bush Did IT".

Thanks Equifax...

You do realise the dailymail don't verify information a lot of the time. They're garbage news

The news being wrong is a valid thing to point out, no matter how often it happens. If dailymail gets enough of it, they'll go out of business.

That article is reaching at phone numbers when the police said it was distances. I can't find another article talking about phone numbers. I think the dailymail made an error. Making stuff up is actually common in "news", but people eat it up like everything is fact.

"I could see on it he had written the distance, the elevation he was on, the drop of what his bullet was gonna be for the crowd," Newton said. "So he had that written down and figured out so he would know where to shoot to hit his targets from there." link

Notice the article states he was paranoid and a conspiracy theorist that would rant about 9-11 as an inside job.

I heard it was a list of phone numbers for backpage massage therapist. Just kidding I have no clue but to me it would be the most believable.

They are coming for us next guys.

So it's true.

Do you see the narrative they're building? They're carving him out to be both a 9/11 Conspiracy Theorist and an ISIS Supporter. They will then amplify this narrative so that it subconsciously pervades the general public's consciousness and they equate both as being mutually exclusive.

This way, if MegaAnon is right, and Trump dumps the 9/11 intel stuff regarding its true motives, it makes anyone who believes it equivalent to ISIS...they literally poison the cognitive wells to prime the mind.

^This

Can you expand on trump and the 9/11 intel?

Not only the conspiracy theorist, also the quiet, peaceful and loner personality that seems to match "other mass shooters personality" accordingly to MSM. This poison you talk about is plain stereotyping of certain "qualities" that are "undesirable" and pushed through media as tacitly "undesirable", so poisoning of culture.

I wonder if one day you'll be forced to own Facebook so your "social relationships" can be checked to predict your "potential to get into a killing sprees", or required to get a job.

My guess is if they're bringing 9/11 into it they're terrified that Trump is going to release the truth. If you can find the video of Trump being interviewed on 9/11 (if you haven't already seen it) you may be surprised at how likely a scenario your comment is.

What a transparent narrative, good catch. They make it sound like this guy was a professional with his range card.

Top two credited sources. A Vegas whore and the internet... Smh

It was earlier revealed that Benjamin Paddock, Stephen's father, was an FBI most-wanted bank robber and confidence man known as 'Big Daddy'.

Nenjamin was captured in Las Vegas in 1960

I don't know. If you let this get published, I have doubts about the author's ability/willingness to proof-read his work. I mean shit, I'd find & correct this after ONE read-through.

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It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's mass confusion!

...a number of phone numbers...

Media also reported there were calculations of the bullet drop and such, whats true?

Can there only be on piece of paper in the room? He had Bipods and ventilation tubes. Maybe he had more than one piece of paper

I like how the new narrative will be built on the credibility of Vegas prostitutes. Let's not assume at all, that for a payout, they would say or do anything.

One outta 22 000.

You started the guessing game. And your guesses don't even match the video evidence, or the rationale of a person "calculating" for maximum effectiveness.

What you called my "absolute conclusions" aren't absolute at all. It's reasonable speculation, based on audio/video evidence, assuming the one-shooter scenario. If it was one guy, it was an idiot, who fired off several warning shots before he really opened up. He also had only one primary weapon, based on the ridiculous delays in firing. If he was using all of those prop bumpstocks, he would've just swapped out right away, for a jam.

If it was multiple shooters "handing off", then the entire note discussion is completely irrelevant.

Exactly. None of the factors that call for the use of those types of calculations were present.

There wouldn't be a need for a range card, all his range card would be is a damn cone showing where he can effectively hit. Which would be pointless.

And they said he had no military background... is a range card something a newbie would use, if he weren't aware it were pointless?

How does that push the gun control agenda? To me it just makes it look like guns are hard to use without the proper training.

Well if the reports are true shots were fired at airport tanks that would explain needing to zero in and do some math. Why are people only thinking about the crowd shooting as if that's the only thing that did happen or was supposed to happen?

you just have to

You just have to.

Seems to me there was something he HAD to hit hence the scope. Tannerite/thermite "painted" fuel tanks? For the crowd... jaysus that's not rocket science. In a tightly packed crowd aim down and wave the gun back and forth while firing. Reload aim down in slightly different direction rinse and repeat. He didn't need to aim or sight anything. He couldn't miss. If he had one particular person or a small group of people sure... he'd have to be more focused in his aim. But all he really had to do was point and shoot. Thankfully he WASNT aiming expertly or more people would be dead.

The idea that he used a range card with a bump stock... pretty sure most people familiar with that would LOL no.

Are you sure. My cousin told me is was a sudoko but instead of numbers all the squares where filled with "Jeb Bush Did IT".