Huh???

The alarm was for an "open door" but not Paddock's room. Guard then heard drilling coming from Paddock's room.

So if you open a door the alarm goes off?

Possibly the adjoining room

Probably the stairwell. He jammed that

9:59 campos got shot, shooter started shooting at 10:05 right?

According to the current timeline, that is correct.

wtf, he also heard drilling in the room.

I heard that it turned out the drilling noise was just Weinstein auditioning Jennifer Lawrence again.

Jesus Christ lol

Jesus Campos but close.

Oof... Didn't see that one coming.

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It was me drilling your mom

oh you've gotta be kidding me lol - link to this presser asap!

Don't text and drive plz.

That shit is more dangerous than driving drunk. Put your fucking phone down you psycho.

https://www.pscp.tv/MikeTokes/1MYGNXwVAApxw

The security guy wasn't the one who got shot first, it was Paddock. Then who was doing the shooting on the crowd? Hmmmmm…

The fact that the security guard is not in custody is reason enough to believe that Paddock shot him then began shooting out the window. Security guard would most definitely have been tested for gunshot residue

If the security guard was shot before paddock started shooting, why did he stop?

million dollar question. The new timeline means that if the other info is supposed to be trusted... the guard would have been up on the floor from the time he was shot 9:59pm till 10:18pm when he told the officers he was shot and directed them to the room Paddock was in. 19 minutes went by and he was Evacuating people from the floor we are being told.

Make sense. You take one round out of 200 fired at you. You call it in and just evacuate everyone from their rooms into the same hallway you were just shot at from... you know.. the hallway with the gunman at the other end of it.

But wasn't the original story that the reason the security guard went up to floor 32 was because the smoke from the gunfire set off the fire alarm?!!??!!!!

They later changed it to he was investigating an open door alarm I think.

Didn’t really connect it until reading your comment but saw on here earlier it’s now believed Paddock may not have reserved the adjoins room. Door alarm could have been him breaking into there from the suite.

And drilling into the second room?

I assumed the drilling could have something to do with breaking the window or setting up cameras. I have no idea tho.

I thought I read reports of him drilling the stairwell door.

Pretty sure you’re right about that. Based on the layout of the rooms tho (on mobile and don’t have that pic currently) he would have to have been in the hallway drilling the stairs. If Paddock actually shot through a door at Campos then he was in one of the rooms when Campos heard drilling. Made me think it was something else.

That was to facilitate the escape of his partners.

Based off what the presser said, I also thought drilling into window

or maybe drilling into the adjoining room door to cover the stairwell with a rifle. The food cart was right in front of that door IIRC

He was going to film the transaction in one room. The security guard went up as a precheck for the room the deal was supposed to go down in. Was in the room, heard the drilling, realized it was a sting and shot paddock. His boys then had time to run in, fire hundreds of rounds and run out.

mmm that's good fiction

Stick around for 10 minutes and shoot random people for no reason and then run down 32 flights of stairs and get out of there before nobody noticed.

Makes total sense.

goo goo gaa gaa logic

How in the hell do people think a gun deal lead to mass murder?? Yes, lets set a gun deal in a busy hotel on the Vegas strip for a small amount of guns and if it goes bad instead of just killing Paddock and making it look like a suicide we will shoot out windows and fire at 22,000 people and draw national attention to ourselves. Said no one ever. No gun deal...he didn't have enough guns to even be worth the time. And don't forget the guns were all in his name.

The SWAT team used explosives on the adjoining door. It was locked from the other side. He didn't bust the door down if it was locked.

Where in the timeline did that door get locked?!? You have to be on the other side to lock that kind of door, but haven't they said he was going back and forth between rooms? He would've had to go into the other one, lock the adjoining door, exit that room, and then go back into his room at the end of the hall. I am thoroughly confused

Welcome to the club friend.

I am thoroughly confused

Trump is a master of revelation of the method.

Those doors lock on both sides not just one

They are meant for separating guests when the rooms are booked by two different parties. I don't know what doors Mandalay had, but in the hotels I've stayed at, there are two doors, each with one lock for the guest on that side. You can unlock and open your door from your side, but can't open or unlock the other one.

The door may have been locked on his side...cause if it was locked on the other side they could have unlocked it and went in.

The timeline is a mess after yesterday but assuming all of this is accurate, he could have broke into the adjoining room (32134?) from the suite, triggered the door alarm, Campos comes up to investigate and hears him drilling that door shut which would require them to breach.

What wouldn’t make sense for this though is him moving between rooms during the shooting, as I’ve assumed, or that his body was apparently in the suite, on the wrong side of the screwed shut door which needed to be breached. Not even to mention the fact that the suite window may have been in tact during the shooting.

I found a video someone uploaded and there are two doors, each locking from one side. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXDxqLQIkcs

Is that his exact room? Also, did they blast a door inside his suite or was an adjoining separate hotel room?

Apparently he screwed the doors shut so they were not easily opened.

But investigating the door alarm was the ORIGINAL story. ???

This goes with the theory that Paddock was running guns. Whoever he was selling guns to back stabbed him and shot him. Neighbors reported gunfire/fighting so the security guard went up to the room to check.

Or maybe the gunmen were just in the adjoining room and broke in to Paddock's and he was just set up.

Either way i'm starting to think Paddock's not the guy. I'm curious how long he had been dead before the police got there.

would explain the security alarm on the fire escape stairwell going off too. The buyers probably ran down or up to another floor, then took the elevators w/ their new guns.

Either that, or Paddock was really radicalized. They set it all up, knowing the FBI is watching, 2 guys get his Alan Snackbar video, and blast 200 rounds into the hall, where Jesus is pretending to be a hotel security guard.

2 guys escape in the hall, barricade it so they can't follow and head up a couple levels to a safe escape (everyone would be on Floor 32).

Paddock was really radicalized.

Just like Africanized honey bees, it's all a bunch of bullshit.

No one is going to get radicalized enough by reading ISIS literature.

Radicalized in the sense that he built a severe hate for American tyranny and decided to do something maybe inspired by people he met in the middle east or Philippines.

What you say sounds utterly ridiculous.

Not really.
Let's say he's a loser sort of dude despite being wealthy.
He has a mail-order-gf/would-be-wife from the Philippines.
She's actually an agent working him and makes him think she'll love him forever if eh does this thing for her.

Compelling

So now, you're making shit up?

People get radicalized by literature, videos, religions, etc all the time. Hardly anything new

Don't believe that bullshit.

He wasn't radicalized.

You provide really good points to support you argument. I am going to take it under cobsideration.

Throw shit at the wall

The only speculative element of that is "he's a loser sort of dude".

Perhaps he knew he was on a suicide mission and what to be sure she had money? Logic

No one is going to get radicalized enough by reading ISIS literature.

Then why are we heading towards making reading it a crime?

This makes no sense. Must goes up must come down. They had that hotel on lockdown until the next day. Everyone was evacuated.

Everyone was evacuated.

Exactly. It was chaos. 2 guys could easily escape, or blend in in tactical gear easily. They probably account for all the multiple shooter stories

Except they wouldn't leave til after the shooting was over. Elevators were on lockdown and building swarmed with cops.

This goes with the theory that Paddock was running guns.

Whoever he was selling guns to crossed him and shot him.

So then the guys who got crossed decided that the next smart move would be to mow down as many people as they could during a country music festival?

Makes total sense ^/s

None of this gun-running stuff makes any sense. A deal goes bad....so 32 floors in the air, let's shoot a bunch of innocent people and then get out of there without anyone noticing. Did they take elevators? Stairs? Nobody saw these people who got mad over Paddock charging $5.32 more for their guns, so they shot 500+ people at a concert to get back at Paddock?

It's by far the most ridiculous and far fetched idea out there.

Any way you break it down it makes no sense whatsoever.

ISIS is most likely funded by the CIA anyway.

What about the mexican cartels/ gang members in the us. Could be a ms13 payback.

lol

What about the mexican cartels/ gang members in the us. Could be a ms13 payback.

Uh, sure buddy. You keep believing that.

Okay. I didn't know i needed your approval to believe things. I'm glad you approve though.

MS13? C'mon man. That is so far stretching.

Or chapos. Whatever they are called. The total amount of guns he had is leaning towards he was selling them or he was about to have help doing what he did.

If you're selling guns, you don't want to bring attention on to yourself by entering a building that has a shit ton of cameras.

Also, you don't sell guns multiple stories up in a building because there isn't an easy escape if the deal goes bad. You have to either run down the stairs or wait for an elevator which most likely will get you caught.

How does a gun running scenario end up with pre-planned mass murder at a country music concert?

I've wondered that myself. Guess it may depend on who arranged the meeting place/time.

Your point is why I've questioned the gunrunning scenario myself. I'm just chalking the change in the narrative up as a point for the gunrunning scenario. There's still holes in the theory.

Gun runners would like kill Paddock and move along. Not have a mass shooting that calls national attention to their scheme.

Terrorist gun runners who want to kill Americans would. It isnt that far fetched, but Paddock would have to have been in on their scheme. He did most of the shooting up there, while his partners likely escaped (becoming the multiple shooters everyone is claiming)

I highly doubt these imaginary terrorist gun runners are that fucking dumb. Get a grip my friend, you're reaching. If this were even close to being the case--They would kill Paddock, flee with their guns, then plot to kill Americans at a later date.

The shit I see people come up with baffles me sometimes lol

It's what happens when you start at the conclusion and then try to beat a road back to the data. Ends up as a mighty twisty road.

A road with sink holes and dead ends at that.

For those paying attention ;)

Many just get an idea and it is like the top of a mountain...they drive blindly and don't pay attention to road on the way...they lost and never make it lmao

So, these terrorist met with him for a small gun deal and then ran? There is no evidence of their being a shooter anywhere else. Terrorist wouldn't deal in small amounts of guns and their death numbers are usually much higher.

This is an ongoing investigation - the original story will not matter.

When you take into account all of the surveillance footage available in Vegas from police body cams, to hotel footage, to cell phone footage, and more, this is going to take awhile. Stories will change. That shouldn't stop people from asking questions and demanding the truth. But as skeptics, or even people who simply want the truth, we also have to be cognizant of how human error, human emotion, and time will play into this investigation. Lots of moving parts here. Be patient.

Bullshit. I work in medicine and in the 10 years I've been doing it I've learned exactly how and when people leave out information. If it sounds fuckey, start asking yes or no questions. You've got the Sheriffs office, LVMPD, and the fucking FBI. The story should have been straightened out by 5pm on Monday, at the absolute latest. Or whenever Jesus fucking Christ Campos got stabilized at the hospital.

I'll see your medicine; I've been a practicing attorney for 7 years; have worked both on the private side and in criminal law. I've interviewed and taken hundreds of depositions in high profile cases -- things not nearly this complex, which sometimes takes years to get to trial due to the extensive information that has to be reviewed, analyzed, annotated, and then put into the story. You think the "story" should be straightened out because you're thirsty and impatient. We are all in this sub because we think something is off or bizarre, but I'm not an idiot who will jump to any conclusion because the information isn't immediately provided or correct.

I've noticed that most of the voters here seem to do two things consistently:

1. upvote and immediately accept information that seems to contradict anything reported by mainstream news outlets

2. downvote and explicitly disbelieve anything reported by mainstream news outlets

You may have learned when junkies leave stuff out and why. But what is ur experience with an active investigation of a mass murder?

Since when does working in "medicine" give you interrogation capabilities.

Pretty sure they just said "alarm" and everyone assumed "fire alarm" lol

Sheriff said "Door Alarm"

Yeah I meant in the first presser. They just said alarm and everyone started saying fire alarm.

If security guard was shot before paddock started shooting why was there no 911 call for the security guard. The first calls were from the venue.

The sheriff also called campo the suspect.

Are you serious?!

It's the second time he's done it ;)

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/74tlty/sheriff_accidentally_refers_to_the_security_guard/

"on accident"

Maybe the Sheriff is the "breadcrumb" 4chan poster... The one who initially leaked the crime scene photos...

Even if that is the case, I doubt he has the type of clearance level to know wtf is actually going on.

Just to note, this is the deputy and not the sheriff. Two different people slip up and name the guard as the suspect.

Hmmmmmm...

Yeah, "we are changing a very important part of the story".

The Sheriff appeared to have an interesting slip about Campos. Around 6:05 ET he said, "He (Campos) was able to confirm for us exactly what he heard and saw in the moments before the... (pause) he was shot. " Sheriff also seems like a shitty public speaker, so it could have just been a honest mistake.

What do you think he was intending to say there?

Not too sure, I'd have to rewatch it again. It just stood out as an interesting moment of dead air. The Sheriff sounded like a dull 3rd grader giving a book report, so it's likely benign.

Not too sure, I'd have to rewatch it again. It just stood out as an interesting moment of dead air.

I read/replied to your comment before watching the press conference, and when I watched it and got to that part, it was exactly as you'd written it. I couldn't figure out where he was originally going with that sentence but it didn't strike me as significant. Perhaps he was going to say "before the shooting began" but then stopped himself because he knew phrasing it that way would call attention to the new [shady AF] timeline.

The Sheriff sounded like a dull 3rd grader giving a book report, so it's likely benign.

I felt really bad for him and empathize with his frustration. He's spending so much time and energy correcting people who are accusing him of lying about stuff he never said (e.g. there being a "note" in the room, which he never said) plus it seems pretty clear that the FBI has been jerking him around. Like why isn't his handler (Agent Rouse) spending any time at the podium? He's obviously the one with the most intel about the investigation, and the discretion to decide what can/cannot be shared publicly. I don't blame Lombardo for being pissy and passive aggressive in that situation.

I actually like Lombardo a lot. Whatever BS is going on is definitely not coming from him. He would prefer to be completely open and honest- you can tell by watching him. He just can't.

Which is no doubt why they decided that he'll be the one talking to the public.

I woukd rather have him than the MIB behind him giving presser. He is like robot, sherrif seems real, like a human.

Quite a character: http://www.saltconference.com/speakers/rouse_aaron.html

And yeah he's top FBI counterespionage, and CIA, and Comey put him in Vegas a year ago, and yeah he's also John Podesta's son-in-law haha it's almost too much.

Its almost like he'a aware that anonymous knuckleheads are nit picking every word he says

XD

Not too sure, I'd have to rewatch it again. It just stood out as an interesting moment of dead air.

I read/replied to your comment before watching the press conference, and when I watched it and got to that part, it was exactly as you'd written it. I couldn't figure out he was originally going with that sentence but it didn't strike me as significant. Perhaps he was going to say "before the shooting began" but then stopped himself because he knew phrasing it that way would call attention to the new [shady AF] timeline.

The Sheriff sounded like a dull 3rd grader giving a book report, so it's likely benign.

I felt really bad for him and empathize with his frustration. He's spending so much time and energy correcting people who are accuse him of lying about stuff he never said, and I think the FBI has been jerking him around. Like why isn't that FBI Agent Rouse spending any time at the podium? He's obviously the one with the most intel about the investigation, and he's the one with discretion to decide what can/cannot be shared publicly. I don't blame Lombardo for being pissy and passive aggressive in that situation.

the sheriff is dropping clues that the feds don't want us to know.

Quite possible, but at the same time, I doubt he has the type of clearance to actually know wtf is really going on.

His picture of the events is probably almost as incomplete as ours.

Shot before?

“It does look like after (Campos) came, the shots pretty much ended. That might have saved many lives, hundreds, if not more than that.”

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I love how the sherif called it a minute change to the narrative. Um...its a huge change!

The security guard's story is the only piece that has changed in every single press conference.

You're right. The security guard being accidentally called the suspect today was interesting...

For the second time...

"Accidentally."

maybe Campos was the second shooter (there are two broken windows after all) and the two single shots at the very end of the mass shooting was Campos offing Paddock and then shooting himself in the leg to sell his story and why he's been referred to as a suspect and why we haven't seen this guy in the media yet???

I've speculated this as well. Campos was the second shooter. He never called the cops or for help. He was in the adjoining room and then shot Paddock in the head. Then shot himself in the leg to be a more convincing story of a security guard.

I keep seeing this theory floated that Campos was "posing as a security guard" but actually the second shooter. I feel like this is a very easily debunked theory. "Hey XYZ Security. Does Jesus Campos work for you?" "No?" Busted.

You've got a good point there.

A lot of the things we've been speculating could be debunked, but they havent. But, whats a conspiracy without speculation

I still think Paddock was running guns and had security guards at different hotels that were in on it. Something went wrong with this one, and he got killed. Possibly by Campos. Possibly by the buyers. For some unknown reason, Campos realizes he’ll implicated, and opens fire on the crowd from Paddock’s room to create the impression Paddock just went off the fucking rails and extract himself from the situation.

Agreed this is my theory.

Second time Sheriff has referred to Campos as a suspect

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/74tlty/sheriff_accidentally_refers_to_the_security_guard/

Sheriff looks like he's going to have a panic attack.

The security guard found him out? So Paddock had to quickly start his plan?

It's hitting the fan so to speak..

The explosives in the car is just bizarre. Did he plan on escaping from the 32 floor of a hotel after unloading hundreds or thousands of rounds out the window with an unsuppressed gun? Megalomania?

This is what makes no sense to me. Someone else was to be in that car.

maybe he though the car would blow up, just like in okc..even dylan and eric attempted the bombing method but they failed in 1999

I'm wondering if he had line of sight of his vehicle in the parking garage from the room. Blowing the fuel tanks on one side of Mandalay Bay and blowing up his vehicle in the parking garage would be a really big diversion. He would be able to exit much easier in the chaos and confusion. He would need help to get away, but nobody is buying that he did this alone anyway.

My theory is that an accomplice was supposed to park the van next to the fuel tanks. There's a road that leads right by them. Explains why he was shooting at them, his accomplice bailed and didn't place the van.

They dont have a fucking clue what happened do they?

This really made me laugh. Here everyone thinks they are playing 4D chess meanwhile they could have no idea what happened.

Simple. Probably true.

Yeah it's really hard to check the video cameras and interview a security guard to determine if someone was shot before or after the biggest mass shooting in history.

But it's easy to tell it was only one shooter immediately after the shooting stopped. No further investigation necessary.

Actually it is hard to check cameras that don’t exist so you are correct. It’s already been covered the only camera are on the casino floors and elevators. NOTHING in any of the hallways.

Lol, every hotel has cameras in the hallways.

Can we actually confirm there are cameras all over the hallways? I've never noticed cameras in all hallways at hotels, maybe by elevators or in the lobby.

Why do you believe the security guards account of events?

My reply was sarcastic, so I wasn't clear.

The whole thing sounds like a lie, and they can't keep their story straight.

Yeah they aren't playing 4D chess. More like 4D tic-tac-toe

5D Connect Four

Well we sure fuckin don't.

Maybe it doesn't matter whether anybody knows what actually took place that night. Maybe they really only care about measuring our collective attention span. I wonder how long, in comparison to historic mass shootings, this one will be one the news or talked about in the media. Considering the absolute assault on the senses we've have since last year, something this big might fade away as quickly as everything else, including the whitehouse being called "an Adult Day Care" by a republican senator....on tv.

Nope. While all Las Vegas hotel/casinos have a shit load of security cameras on the casino floors, most hotels actually don't have any security cameras in the hallways. I pretty sure that Mandalay Bay didn't, but someone else can confirm. All they can see from footage would be what Paddock did at the casino and parking garage.

The FBI alone has like 100 people working on this along with all of the actual evidence. I'm pretty sure they have a clue what happened

so he got shot before it happened.. but stayed on that floor with a bullet in his leg until well after swat arrived? Idk about you guys but I take a leg wound, I'm heading down for help asap.

One bullet from 200 shots through a door that later needed to be blown off the hinges. It would have been swiss cheese. Old man paddock could have pushed through it himself

They could have sneezed on it at that point

Also what gun did he shoot 200 rounds thru wtf

This actually makes a lot of sense. It means that Paddock may have been caught by surprise by Campos. He may not have been fully prepared to begin the mass shooting. This may explain why the scene seemed disorganized and why there were so many lulls in firing. He may not have had everything in position yet for quick reloads and it slowed him down.

It opens up more possibilities that's for sure. Whetger it's a good or bad thing idk. It may explain the car. Perhaps paddock didn't have time to place it. It also asnswers the question people were asking about why he wouldn't wait until the concert let out when the street in front of Mandalay would have been packed. Maybe he intended to but he didn't have time.

It was the last day of the festival and already late. What could Paddock have been waiting for?

Backup

Oooh this is a good point and would make a lot of sense.

What doesn't make sense is wtf Campos was doing for the 23 minutes between when he was shot and when he met up with police before the breach.

No it makes no sense.

No sense why there was advanced warning/police calls from the security guard's shooting.

No sense as to why the shooter stopped shooting.

No sense as to why the FBI and LV police can't figure out a timeline, which clearly can be determined from security videos etc.

No sense why the security guard didn't seek treatment.

With this new revelation it shows that the previous thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/756h4b/multiple_shooters_confirmed/

Now has more credence to it. In the counter argument to the OP of that thread people are saying that the other shots being fired were the shooter shooting at the door but we now know this is not correct in that Paddock shot at the door before shooting into the crowd so now the chance of there being more than one shooter is higher based on the video given.

That's what I'm thinking. The so-called debunking of the taxi cab video regarding two shooters was based upon the theory that the muffled gunshots were Paddock firing his weapon inside his room and not out one of the 32nd floor windows. So if Campos is already down, who is he firing at inside of the hotel itself? The muffled shots are from another shooter further away.

Also, they say he shot 200 rounds into the hallway (supposedly at Campos). Where is the brass in the foyer just inside the main suite door? And the only gun I see looks like a long barrel modification of an AR-15, with no mag loaded into it, by the way. Man this shit stinks to high heaven.

But wait didn't the security guard arrived literally a minute before the police and that is how they're confident there is only one shooter in the room? Also can't they hear the internal shooting on the recording? Also if it wasn't the security guard that made him stop shooting and decide to go ahead and kill himself than what did make him just suddenly stop?

what did make him just suddenly stop?

Total speculation here. But if the main stream narrative is to believed, it's certainly possible that Paddock had scanners set up in his room and heard the police chatter about knowing his exact location.

That's about all I can think of though. None of this story fits together very well at the moment.

Who knows wtf really happened. Or why.

Anybody have the police chatter transcripts with timestamps? If Paddock was listening, that would give us a clue. If the police said "32nd floor, 32nd floor!" at 10:15pm, and Paddock stopped at that moment, then boom, we have our answer. We can overlay the transcript over the Raymond Page and taxi drivers' video and see if there is correlation with the final pistol shots.

Security have radios, hell even a bellboy has a radio. He didnt call for back up with shots fired on 32nd floor. Why then were the police not sure what floor he was on? Wtf. There is alot more to this.

Yeah like guard shot paddock and then himself in the leg

would make sense given that the last shots of the night were two very distinct single shots several seconds apart.

I really hope your edit is sarcasm.

Maybe they did know, can anyone confirm if it's standard procedure to take the stairwell when approaching situations like this? I mean I wouldn't want to step out of an elevator in a situation like this.

I believe what they did was take the elevator up to a "safe enough" floor then work their way up the stairwell.

Important question: When was the music at the festival supposed to stop. Where there more musicians going to play after Aldean?

No, he was the last

Guy one floor below just refuted the claim ... did not hear early shots.

Do you have any source? I only have the original article.

I will see if I can find the transcripts - unfortunately I was watching the interview live tv.

Would be nice, there would only be a couple of minutes tops so I'm not sure what we are counting as "early".

Erin Burnet 7:44est interviewing "Floyd" - they have it up on twitter.

https://twitter.com/OutFrontCNN/status/917539533025087489

Yeah - CNN and Twitter ...

Thanks, I don't feel like this changes anything. I mean the way she put it was that there was one(1) single shot fired that hit the guard and then the volleys started going off.I have no idea where she got that from I was under the impression that the gunman let it rip after he saw Campos in the hallway, meaning full volley fire for two whole mags.

It is definitely inconsistent. The 200 round volley and hit in the leg was the story up until tonight. The release of the 6 min early event (one shot or 200? who knows) was dropped just before this interview, even Floyd was confused and said he had to think about it but did say for certain he did not hear one or 200 6 mins early. It stinks.

He was on CNN tonight and he said he did not hear shots until the initial burst

That's what I've been curious about, but never bothered to look at the lineup info for the show featuring anticipated set times for each performer.

Assuming Aldean was the last act, the shooter should have had everything set up by then (easy access to guns which were previously loaded, extra ammo for his preferred guns within arm's reach).

I'd also be interested in hearing audio from LVMPD dispatch prior to 10:05 P.M. PST. Had officers been informed of shots fired, along with the specific location/floor of the incident, who knows how this could've played out?

I can't believe this sort of thing doesn't even register on r/news

lol, are you serious?

It used to, once upon a time.

Currently a pretty big thread about it.

Head over. LOT of people wondering a lot of different things.

Yeah, already getting downvoted to hell in there.

Why aren't we allowed to talk about it? This is so strange.

Route 91 Sunday 10/1 lineup: 3:00p – Dee Jay Silver 3:05p – Tyler Reeve 4:05p – Josh Abbott Band 5:15p – Kane Brown 6:35p – Big & Rich 8:00p – Jake Owen 9:40p – Jason Aldean

So what was he drilling through?! The window? Is there any way he could’ve fired through openings in window (in spite of recoil) which would’ve concealed his location

Would explain the small hammer, to knock out the small cut out hole. The police would know this though since there would have been a drill and stuff laying around. The only reason we know anything is from those leaked pics of the crime scene, imagine what the story would be if we didn't even have that. Unless thats what they want us to think...

The sherrif said he was drilling for either a camera or to put a rifle through. Makes me think in the wall or door looking down the hallway?

He did not look happy Laura Loomer was there waiting to ask questions, at the start of the press some noise emanated from where Laura was standing and Sheriff turned around and looked annoyed in her direction. Then a minute later he said "I will be answering a SMALL amount of questions." He seemed really annoyed by her presence.https://www.pscp.tv/MikeTokes/1MYGNXwVAApxw?t=9

Laura is going to piss someone off one day.

Yeah I love that Laura is investigating this like she is, but it makes me mad that she's not acting professional in these types of scenarios. She needs people to take her seriously and she's ruining her chances.

jesus was the hitman. he took out stephen, whom was waiting in his room with the guns for a "deal".

whacked and framed with drones.

And that makes sense how?

you guys keep calling Lombardo out for calling the security guard a suspect...if he was a suspect why would they try to hide it?

Lol. You got jokes. Why would they try to hide anything? It's all on the up and up.

Without evidence they can't hold him.

Yeah but there is not motive for them to hide him being a suspect. Unless he's one of those powerful, well hooked up security guards with deep CIA ties

The "motive" would be that he would flee if he thought he was a suspect. I imagine there's a very specific reason why we found out the new info we got today and not earlier. Maybe they have him in custody already.

This erases the reason for him to stop firing and off himself though...

Up til now it was the going theory that him seeing the guard coming caused a panic that made him fire at the hallway and then decide not to risk getting caught and kill himself then.

If he shot the guard before the massacre, why would he stop so soon with nothing on his security feed to spook him?

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How do they know when "Paddock" broke the windows?

Also has anyone ever tried to break hurricane proof glass... its extremely difficult.

https://youtu.be/6YI1BPX5WVE

ITT: "rich old crazy-eyed white guy who collected guns found dead on the floor wearing gloves was murdered by the nobody mexican hotel security guard who was the actual shooter"

This is exactly what I would do. It's genius if you think about it. Kill the people with guns BEFORE you kill the people without guns.

It's like in the math test in my class I always skip to the HARDEST questions first even if I have to not go in order!

These strike me as rather peculiar.

1. How did Campos only get hit in the leg after a hail of 200 bullets fired his way into the hallway with no cover?

2. After he was shot, why did he just sit there in the hallway without taking cover for 20 minutes and not call for reinforcements? Very odd.

Wait, wasn't he shot in the hallway? (correct me if I'm wrong)

Wouldn't someone notice a fucking security guard bleeding out in the hallway 30 minutes before the shooting started? I mean it's Vegas so I know people are getting all trashed and gambling their kids college funds away but someone must have walked down that hallway.

Simple. Probably true.

Yeah it's really hard to check the video cameras and interview a security guard to determine if someone was shot before or after the biggest mass shooting in history.

But it's easy to tell it was only one shooter immediately after the shooting stopped. No further investigation necessary.

Yeah they aren't playing 4D chess. More like 4D tic-tac-toe

mmm that's good fiction

Stick around for 10 minutes and shoot random people for no reason and then run down 32 flights of stairs and get out of there before nobody noticed.

Makes total sense.

million dollar question. The new timeline means that if the other info is supposed to be trusted... the guard would have been up on the floor from the time he was shot 9:59pm till 10:18pm when he told the officers he was shot and directed them to the room Paddock was in. 19 minutes went by and he was Evacuating people from the floor we are being told.

Make sense. You take one round out of 200 fired at you. You call it in and just evacuate everyone from their rooms into the same hallway you were just shot at from... you know.. the hallway with the gunman at the other end of it.

How in the hell do people think a gun deal lead to mass murder?? Yes, lets set a gun deal in a busy hotel on the Vegas strip for a small amount of guns and if it goes bad instead of just killing Paddock and making it look like a suicide we will shoot out windows and fire at 22,000 people and draw national attention to ourselves. Said no one ever. No gun deal...he didn't have enough guns to even be worth the time. And don't forget the guns were all in his name.