If this passes, Jeff Sessions will be able to legally use any information obtained from mass surveillance for prosecutions. Every single word said on every single telephone during the past 15+ years will be fair game. Every time a cell phone checked in with a tower. Every time a GPS received a signal. Every email. Every text. They've been vacuuming it all up but can't use it domestically unless this passes. It is a very big deal.

Itll pass. U think lawmakers give a shit about ehat u think in important matters?

Itll pass.

And then we go to war, or we just keep sucking the states dick?

Also, as tempting as it is to get pissed at the GOP Obama authorized the act which allowed dissemination of false information; it doesn't matter which team you adore anymore if it ever did.

It is the NWO globalists. The Democrat and Republican labels are a distraction. It is the NWO globalists versus the Nationalists, and the NWO globalists have almost all of the power. They lost the Presidency, which is why they are pissed.

Lol, you think they lost.

Trump is a Nationalist.

Good luck. All we have as citizens is machine guns, small scale bombs and probably some RPGs and old tanks meanwhile we will be fighting an entity with unlimited money that has access to Drones, nukes, advanced tanks and aircraft, as well as weaponry and probably even Artificial intelligence we aren't even aware of. We wouldn't stand a chance

You assume that entity won't fight with us. You forget our armed forces are people too with their own minds. As a service member who just left the service I can tell you even though we work for the government we fight for/with the people.

Well, this brings some hope into the mix

Until you realize the military is mixed D & R. We'd just end up fighting each other.

If people still have their heads stuck in binary politics. And they will.

It has always been a class thing, but many can't see this, they've been shaped with blind fury at losing past elections and then associating everything bad in that presidency to that loss. It just fuels the hate machine.

The armed forces utilize some of the most powerful brainwashing techniques that have been used throughout history (and have only gotten better). And since it doesn't work completely on a lot of soldiers, I'd imagine there would be a split among the military itself between those that support the government, and those that support the citizens.

The Afghans, Vietnamese, and Iraqis did very well. The US military got their asses handed to them. This is different because a large portion of the US military will support We the People and the US Constitution.

As Fidel once said, any revolution will be successful if it has the support of the people.

The politicians dont run that stuff though. Regular citizens do, you think they'll kill their own family members? I'm not saying they won't but I doubt a lot of them will help the government.

Doesn’t matter we have the numbers. We outnumber them 100 to 1. Hell maybe even 1,000,000 to 1.

I think they have A.I.

Turn off, tune in, drop out

Or at least stick your phone in one of these when you go out to do sneaky shit.

Awareness is the key. Spread awareness. A civil war will do nobody any good. If people know what's going on and truly realize the situation we are in there can be a peaceful way forward and solutions can be found for the mess we are in.

And all that stuff you mention relies on a functioning US infrastructure to remain operational. Beyond that, the military needs stable suppy routes, parts manufactured, technical experts to troubleshoot the problems with this advanced tech, and a functioning chain of command. Even if 80% of the chain of command remained intact, all sorts of miscues and mistakes would ensue.

They would be facing an enemy that vastly outnumbers them, one that is better armed than any enemy they've faced in history (just watch illegal arms come pouring over the Mexican border on top of what the citizens have already), an enemy with no face- guerilla warfare on steroids, and all while there supply lines were in total chaos. Such an event in the US would cause chaos in the world markets, collapse the US dollar, trigger regional wars where US presence no longer existed, would result in significant destruction of infrastructure, great increases in the spread of disease, sanitation issues, power outages, and a complete destruction of the US on the world stage (at least for a time).

The US citizenry would only have to hold out for a short period of time before they won.

Regardless, there absolutely must be another way. There must be a peaceful way to change things. Calamity from this tyranny will need to motivate the People, but the People will absolutely need to avoid such a war at all cost. A voting revolution, a complete upheival of political correctedness, mass sweeping peaceful protests even in the face of police brutality.. something that peacefully changes the game. If that war happens, the entire world will suffer worse than it has since WW2, and the US will have suffer more than it has since the Civil War. That war is a nightmare if it ever happens...

C. Build better encryption

"If voting made a difference, they wouldn't let us do it." - Mark Twain

Usually, both Presidential candidates are NWO globalists, so it does not matter to the Cabal who wins. This time, only Hillary was a NWO globalist, and they did not give Trump a chance in Hell of winning. They made a serious misjudgment.

Trump just puts on a facade of nationalism.

Source? You have researched it?

Why would we? CNN is talking about Russian meddling with YouTube and Pokemon go...you know the important stuff.

Edward Snowden?

Couldn't all info prior to this being passed fall into the grandfather clause?

Certainly. See Section 1 Article 9 Clause 3 of the Constitution.

3: No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed

http://constitutionus.com/

Unfortunately, that doesn't matter, as all branches of the the US government, Executive, Legislative and Judicial, shit all over the Constitution on a daily basis, and in so doing, they are felons, each and every one.

Problem: When all are corrupt and guilty, who will prosecute these traitorous felons?

It’s pretty amazing how they employ double speak straight out of the 1984 playbook. All hail the lizard people because this shit is going down.

PS Can you give a source on your interpretation of the law that would allow police departments/FBI to get all our phone conversations,texts and web activity without a warrant? I saw the thing saying it needs a “supervisor”

Just used this tidbit to post on House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte's page promoting this "liberty act" as something that " protects Americans’ lives and their civil liberties."

You're missing the important part, that we know they easily fake whatever data they need to, from the tower your cell phone pings, to a supposed email you sent, to the current tech that will actually take audio of your voice and with access to a few hundred words can make a recording of you saying ANYTHING.

Up to this point, they can't just present a bunch of "evidence" like this out of thin air, but in the future, they can deliver whatever evidence they create with no previous warrant or any reasonable reason for the collection of that data.

to the current tech that will actually take audio of your voice

It's not really hard to see why the general public doesn't have access to this software yet.

https://imgur.com/LA4kpmf

this is the final step from mass surveillance against "terrorists" to mass surveillance against the public. 100% militarized police state. they will hand down all the surveillance tools to local police depts. they already use the patriot act to bust and lockup low level drug dealers.

Is HW news a distraction for this & LV investigation?

Was this act written before the Las Vegas attack?

Yes, it was

Source that the PATRIOT Act was written before 9/11?

http://web.archive.org/web/20030423013539/http://www.truthout.com/docs_02/05.21B.jvb.usapa.911.p.htm

Obviously "written" is a slight bit of hyperbole as its more accurate to say that such laws had been being pushed for quite some time, and 9/11 seemed to be a situation that allowed them to quickly and easily push through a lot of laws they had been kind of hanging onto for a long time anyway, written up in a litany of ways in previous bills.

So it's really more the idea that the core ideas and legal propositions within the PATRIOT Act had been written down in various ways and times before and the PATRIOT Act became a sort of amalgamation of former anti-terrorism bills that had failed to pass.

Thanks, good stuff.

I'd heard Joe Biden wrote the earlier draft of the Patriot Act.

https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5nxk0o/til_in_1995_joe_biden_basically_wrote_the_patriot/

The Iraqi constitution we put in place over there was also written pre 9/11.

A 24-post. It's beautiful.

The Iraqi constitution we put in place over there was also written pre 9/11.

The Iraqi constitution we put in place over there was also written pre 9/11.

The Iraqi constitution we put in place over there was also written pre 9/11.

The Iraqi constitution we put in place over there was also written pre 9/11.

The Iraqi constitution we put in place over there was also written pre 9/11.

The Iraqi constitution we put in place over there was also written pre 9/11.

The Iraqi constitution we put in place over there was also written pre 9/11.

The Iraqi constitution we put in place over there was also written pre 9/11.

The Iraqi constitution we put in place over there was also written pre 9/11.

The Iraqi constitution we put in place over there was also written pre 9/11.

The Iraqi constitution we put in place over there was also written pre 9/11.

The Iraqi constitution we put in place over there was also written pre 9/11.

The Iraqi constitution we put in place over there was also written pre 9/11.

The Iraqi constitution we put in place over there was also written pre 9/11.

The Iraqi constitution we put in place over there was also written pre 9/11.

The Iraqi constitution we put in place over there was also written pre 9/11.

The Iraqi constitution we put in place over there was also written pre 9/11.

The Iraqi constitution we put in place over there was also written pre 9/11.

The Iraqi constitution we put in place over there was also written pre 9/11.

The Iraqi constitution we put in place over there was also written pre 9/11.

The Iraqi constitution we put in place over there was also written pre 9/11.

The Iraqi constitution we put in place over there was also written pre 9/11.

The Iraqi constitution we put in place over there was also written pre 9/11.

You have to get rid of the CIA. They've been running the show since 1947.

Anyone who takes serious action against the CIA will find themselves dead, and therein lies our problem.

If you want to beat an organization you have to get organized.

How would they explain the deaths of say, 5,000 people who all publicly spoke out at once against the CIA?

They may try to mask it, they may try to kill every last person, but whats the alternative? Roll over and let them kill us later on without a fight? I wont let my kids become a slave to a Big Brother society.

https://imgur.com/civlyUa https://imgur.com/LgVuGDx

Tried that with Occupy. Government infiltrated and skewed the message.

Nope, sorry. The only way to get rid of a crooked government is to turn its tactics against it.

But that was ANTIFA snd other leftists?

Youd never get that far now a days.

There's really nothing left to do but keep voting and redpilling people, hope for the best. The masses are much more likely to "take action" when the government starts significantly altering the second amendment (which is what protects the others).

There's really nothing left to do

There are options.

Want to expand on that a little?

Knowledge is power. We need to beat them at their own game. I am agreeing with you. People need to see the world outside of the propaganda bubble. Then they will be willing to cooperate with us.

Redpilling people really is the best way forward. Any violence or civil-war debauchery will run straight into their hands.

They are experts at violence, you cannot beat them at their own game. You cannot expect to fight a war with them - you would only be fighting a war with other people that are still brainwashed! That is what they want, for the people to go to war and kill each-other while they wait in the background.

Think of it like a virus - humanity needs to literally evolve above this. Even if every member of the elite were wiped out, the very mentality, the very level of consciousness they came from would literally spawn a new range of psychopaths hell-bent on gaining power and wealth, whilst trying to rule the masses.

We need to evolve, not destroy or kill anyone (which is what some people think, not you that I'm replying to, but I've seen posts like that, posts that call for things akin to a civil war), that won't solve anything.

Spread awareness, compassion, love. Take care of yourself on all levels - physical, emotional, mental, spiritual. Help those close to you. Let go of fear.

We need to learn that things can be resolved through compassion, through working together, respect, cooperation. If we drop hate, anger, fear, despair....the darkness will be lifted and the new/old world order, the contrived system of insanity and greed will be no more.

i'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but where are your sources?

https://judiciary.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/100517-USA-Liberty-Act.pdf

this summary makes it sound like a good thing (biased source admittedly)

Check the current sidebar.

It's getting harder and harder to know what to believe, isn't it? There has been so much anti-Trump fake news in this subreddit that I have to seriously consider the possibility that this is more of the same. It is a tiny bit suspicious that I see nothing but broad claims throughout this thread and no detailed dissection of the language of the bill.

Fuck this shit. We want our privacy back.

How is it that people think that an entity that takes something from you will just give it back when asked?

Nope, this will come full circle to a New American Revolution.

We are already in a peaceful revolution. We should avoid violence at all costs though. We can win everything we ever wanted peacefully. Violence will cause MANY, MANY more problems.

We can raise hell but no killing or physical assaults. :)

That does works, up to the point where government no longer has a qualm with killing innocents.

They can't fire on us if we aren't fighting back. They can provoke us but not fire on us.

Also, the cabal is shitting bricks right now. I wouldn't worry about them being some kind of a powerful force that can take down an entire planetary civilization at will. They can try but it will never happen.

The big plus is that anything the cabal does makes them look even worse in front of the publics eye which helps redpill even more people. That LV false flag and banning that anti-pedo twitter account are perfect examples. As they try to defend their image, they end up exposing themselves even more. They are completely trapped between a rock and a hard place and they themselves put themselves in this position.

They can't fire on us if we aren't fighting back. They can provoke us but not fire on us.

hehehehehehehe.

"i felt threatened" is all they need.

Ya but they know there is blow-back to every stupid move they make. The government is at its weakest point I've ever seen them in my lifespan. For every stupid move they make, they will get their asses kicked hard.

The problem is that all the stupid shit they did a long time ago boomeranged back to them and now they are getting crushed by their own actions. Everything negative action has blowback. They are in a very desperate position now. They might actually kill civilians, but if they do, they are done for. They can't take on the whole planet and believe me you, the whole planet will be fucking pissed if the gov starts killing civilians.

Stalin during WW2? No one did anything about him killing and enslaving his civilians

That was a VERY different era than what we are now. Everything is different today.

Is it really though? Other than the internet what has changed?

Lol. Everything. There is a mathematical setup for this with all the variables involved. Its hard to explain but literally everything is different except for a few variables. It's hard to explain but people tend to make the mistake of comparing very different situations that have 1 similar element to them and they think they can predict the future based on what happened in the past. This is inaccurate and mathematically impossible.

Where is this math setup? You can't make these claims without evidence

Its called variance. Its a statistical thing. I don't know how to explain it here because you would have to take many statistics classes to know how it works.

I'm not denying what you are saying but you aren't proving it at all. Is there not an article to explain what you are stating? Or the equation itself.

There are many equations. Not just one. This is high level mathematics.

Check google for variance statistics.

Whatever dude. If you are going to try to persuade me on a topic and then not give me any evidence I'm just done. Good job at diverting the topic from the original argument. Good at your job

I can't teach you unless you are well versed in statistics which very few people are.

Just imagine that there are billions of changing variables in every moment. This is why predictING the future based on the past is not always a good idea especially with something as huge as a nationwide peaceful revolution.

Well give me your variables and predict the future for 3 months ahead

There are ways to predict the future but them government has access to all the data and they don’t make this information public sadly. I wonder why...

Once we kick their asses out of power, we can def predict the future to some extent though. We only need data points from social network sites and real life happenings. It would be extremely beneficial to society to have this info made public on a regular basis.

The Internet is a pretty huge change though. We literally can connect with anybody on the planet in a matter of seconds. I think in the future they will try to prevent this and have some sort of delayed reaction when you do shit on the Internet. See the movie MOON for further reference. Imagine if A take over did happen or something big. You can literally just type to somebody and give a distress signal instantly or STREAM IT! That alone is something pretty huge. If people would use that instantaneous connecting to organize and plan a big movement, we’d be in a good spot.

I agree, except if they have total control over it, nobody can use it when it's needed. This is what I think the ultimate goal is, and they're achieving it, albeit very slowly. I feel that eliminating Net Neutrality will give them the most ground in this.

They can't fire on us if we aren't fighting back.

You must have missed or refused to accept my last line...

up to the point where government no longer has a qualm with killing innocents.

That's really important.

All I am saying is don't think the government is like a giant tank in a village and that they can do whatever they want because no matter how many stones the villagers throw at the tank, it will never go down.

The gov knows its weaknesses and it has many. They just don't want you to know that. As a matter of fact, 2017 is the weakest I've ever seen the government in my entire life.

For every stupid move they pull (LV falseflag, banning that twitter account), they will receive major blowback and that blowback will hurt them.

We are way, way more powerful then them. Trust me. You will see that with your own eyes soon.

People have been saying ‘soon’ since we’ll before any of us were alive.

We finally reached the required level of maturity both individually and socially to make this happen.

The change we make needs to go all the way to the very, very top. They mistakenly believe that they have the divine right to rule, and they have thought this for thousands of years. It is about time for this to change.

Yup. It is time for the civilians to run the world together with a 2 year term limit on any positions of power.

Yes. Politicians, police, judges, everyone.

Civilians everywhere. We won't use their broken systems of brutal punishment. We will redesign society so it's way more humane than this together.

Yes. When people are willing to help each other, then they do not need money.

They can easily snuff us all and blame it on an outside entity.EMP from N.Korea shuts down the electrical grid killing 90 percent of us in a year.Bubonic plague spreading out of Madagascar etc.Also it really doesn't matter what you say or do anymore,they are now capable of inserting any planted evidence they want to frame you for and scrub any evidence of that insertion.

Then fight back! Stop accepting all the bullshit they feed you and raise hell and expose them to the world. You already know when they lie. Just keep calling it out even if you don't have proof. Also, start standing up for all our prisoners who are tortured 24/7 in hardcore prisons that are ruining both people and society. If you do, changes will happen. If you don't do shit, things will get worst.

I have done something and have paid for it dearly.But in rereading my own words,your right,if they can do anything that they want to anybody at any time,what does anyone really have left to lose?As Gerald Celeste said,"When people have nothing left to lose,they lose it."

Yes!

Agreed. Gandhi set a great example.

All it takes is for people en masse to realize what's going on. For people to, as much as this phrase has been copiously overused, wake the fuck up.

Once everyone realizes what's going on it's over. So the main goal is to spread awareness. Also take care of yourself and your own mental, emotional and physical health and peace of mind.

Violence will go right into their hands - they are masters of violence. We must take the more intelligent route. We cannot win with violence, we must win through awareness, knowledge and intelligent action.

It is the government and people in positions of power that need to be under surveillance.

Exactly this. We need almost total transparency in government.

Never gonna happen. This is what always happens when Republicans are in charge. The only right they care about is the right to bear arms.

Left and right are on the same team. They both need to be booted out of power.

But yet you voted for Trump.

I couldn’t since I’m registered as a democrat.

Wait, you think that's how it works? You're got the primaries mixed up with the general.

I went to vote and they kicked me out for being a democrat. Was I bamboozled?

No, they didn't.

Yes they did.

You must have loads of proof then.

It happened to me. I’m explaining what I experienced. Calling me a liar isn’t helping your cause.

I have heard of no one being turned away because they were a Democrat. An extraordinary claim like that requires some kind of proof.

I live in a very red state. If they had said I couldn't vote, I would have gone to the media.

I went to vote and they said I couldn’t. WTF do you want me to say other than what happened?

Is it possible to make a cell network, possibly using VOIP, run through a TOR type network? The Onion cellphone company needs to be a thing.

Maybe with a custom app on an open platform device, but I'm 120% sure that the fascists who run Apple would never allow that on the app store.

Then fuck apple ill go without a phone or the net

"Cell network" implies servers, so maybe not. There are regulations on what bands you can broadcast in. Cell providers pay big bucks to license them, then they lease some of it out to other providers. Government entities will actively seek out and shut down your transmitters.

But anonymized cellphone connections (clients) over VOIP and/or TOR, yes, with the right gear.

Latency would be an issue

Good luck with that.

What if the surveillance in LV actually did stop this from being way worse than planned? Crazy theory I know

yes, one with literally zero evidence unlike many of the theories you might read about hear and yet get dismissed out of hand by the idiots who appear on TV news

No shit sherlock. Maybe this is a terror cell and there are still suspects... Im glad you arent an actual investigator and would compromise the entire investigation. Im all for theories but I take all scenarios into account

It will pass undoubtedly.

No no no, guys... this is good! This is ok because Trump is doing it and he won't come after us good guys, so anyone working against the Liberty Act is very likely working against America and against Trump.

Don't worry bro, you are already on the list!

The 4th amendment was already repealed a few years ago.

btw, I wonder if antifa is specifically protesting this

seems like an actual instantiation of this "fascism" thing to me, but hey what do I know

After doing a Google search for this act, the only media stuff I saw was mostly from doomsday sites and the Wadhington Examiner.

I then found the current text of the bill here: https://judiciary.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/100517-USA-Liberty-Act.pdf

Which actually mentions making sure Congress has oversight to prevent spy agencies from using data gathered to spy on US citizens.

Which actually mentions making sure Congress has oversight to prevent spy agencies from using data gathered to spy on US citizens.

Congress has been absolutely useless in this regard, at best. A more realistic reading of their behavior is that they have been engaging in malicious selective enforcement.

How much more will we take?

Surely, with all three branches of government, the constitution-loving Republican Patriots will provide resistance to this unprecedented assault on our privacy and liberty!

• said no rational person, ever.

Stop with your divisiveness you political puppet

It's not being divisive.

It's holding people accountable when they claim to be the bastion of freedom, morality, and patriotism -- and then pass shit legislation like this -- directly under their watch.

Fuck that nonsense. No more bullshitting ourselves. These "patriots" are using nationalism to lobotomize us and pass every piece of dogshit legislation they can fit under the door before it closes.

There are no Democrats or Republicans anymore

What does this even mean?

If it's just some cryptic hyperbole, I don't even care.

It means everyone in DC is on the same team. Against you.

Ah, cryptic hyperbole. Got it.

Quit being defensive. You're trying to blame republicans when Obama allowed the Patriot act to grow and thrive. Established Democrats don't give a fuck about your constitutional rights just as much as republicans. That's all they're saying.

Nope. It's hyperbole. Plus extra points for "but Obama."

You know, voting records are available to the public. It only takes a cursory look to see that this sentiment is objectively bullshit.

You're talking about a single piece of legislation, and as I said, democrats and Republicans voted yay for. Obama had the ability to sign an executive order to abolish the Patriot act but he chose not too because it's easier to spy on citizens than not. Not sure why you feel mentioning the former "extra point" game but criticism of Presidents not named Donald is possible too.

You're the one that specifically mentioned the PA extension.

I just wanted to show the actual votes.

Yet you're gonna pass the buck to Obama, despite the fact that it was made in the Bush era, and the house was Republican majority when the 2011 extension went through...

You can't "sign an executive order to abolish" legislation. That's not how it works. Holy shit...

The post-fact era is real.

And it's not just "a single piece of legislation."

Republicans do this shit constantly.

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First the Patriot Act, now this. The Republicans love taking away rights.

Trump seems to be the most brazen about it, and the fanboys will go along with it.

Wouldn't doubt it since yesterday they were trying to justify literally banning news organizations that hurt their feelings.

I can just imagine them saying "Ok you can take away my freedom of speech, separation of church and state, but I draw the line at quartering soldiers in my house. All right, fine. How many soldiers?"

He suggested shutting down a news organization on Twitter this morning (or maybe yesterday morning). So... don't get your hopes up.

lets face it, those new towers in New York have already started using the new powers

Please elaborate.

they have erected a lot of towers in New York and they wont say what they are or what they are for, so I presume they are using some kind of surveillance that is going to be made legal soon

I wonder if this was all set up so that they could use private phone conversations as leverage to impeach the president.

NYPD is using AI to source new recruits. AI will research all your usernames and if you post or upvote anything on r/conspiracy you won't even be considered for a job.

all hail GWB-666

A guy i follow on instagram is waiting on a judge," terroristic threat allegations " is what you get now for prank calling a fucking pro skateboarder, WE'RE FUCKED

Nobody will take action. This bill will be passed. Nothing will change.

Mark my words.

The cat is out of the bag, everyone. We're already being watched, logged and tracked – and they've proven to us that laws don't matter. Whatever is being legislated is already happening; they're just trying to codify it and make it look like the people and their representatives have any say at all.

The technology to know everything about us already exists, will always be refined and become more comprehensive; the task is removing those who are in control of it and removing the profit motive for it. If no one is getting paid to look at my browser history, no one (except my wife, who snoops for free) is going to give a shit.

Yep we are already being tracked on a mass scale, they just want to be able to pass this law to be able to use the info they obtain against us in court.

Excellent point of order. The courts are fucked too.

It kills me that this keeps happening. Here's what I think the problem is and how we should solve it. It's the boiled frog thing. I don't have to explain that to you guys. PATRIOT act, CISPA, NDAA, Liberty Act, ect.. Freedoms have been whittled away at such a strikingly efficient rate for so long that people who were born after the patriot act will soon be voting with no understanding of the liberty some of us enjoyed in our youth. When we talk about the freedoms we are going to lose, the normies aren't interested because it's the same tired shit they've heard all their life from foil heads like us. Yet we keep droning on about these up and coming government oversteps with a tone that we'ld be deluding ourselves not to admit sounds like dry, alarmist bullshit. It always is about the new up and coming overstep with us, and then that new thing soon becomes passe' next time congress comes to session. Our problem is that we keep drawing lines in the sand, and those lines keep getting crossed. We don't do enough about the freedoms we've already lost. The solution is that we need to be complaining about those bills that have already been passed and demand they are repealed. We need to paint a clear picture for the next few generations of how hard we've already been fucked, and then not shut up about it. The Liberty act is a crock of shit, but we should be spitting just as much venom at all those other injustices we've suffered over the last couple decades. If we had spent the past 15 years fighting the patriot act as hard as we fight the new threats to american freedom, we'ld have been rid of this shit 10 years ago.

If anything, people here clamoring for footage of Paddock in the hallways added to the voices that want increased surveillance.

Funny how that works, truly ironic.

Can someone give an objective summary about this new Liberty Act? I can't find anything on the internet that is not some complex mumble jumble

How do we act?

They can't fire on us if we aren't fighting back. They can provoke us but not fire on us.

hehehehehehehe.

"i felt threatened" is all they need.

They can't fire on us if we aren't fighting back.

You must have missed or refused to accept my last line...

up to the point where government no longer has a qualm with killing innocents.

That's really important.

Couldn't all info prior to this being passed fall into the grandfather clause?

It’s pretty amazing how they employ double speak straight out of the 1984 playbook. All hail the lizard people because this shit is going down.

PS Can you give a source on your interpretation of the law that would allow police departments/FBI to get all our phone conversations,texts and web activity without a warrant? I saw the thing saying it needs a “supervisor”

The change we make needs to go all the way to the very, very top. They mistakenly believe that they have the divine right to rule, and they have thought this for thousands of years. It is about time for this to change.

Just used this tidbit to post on House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte's page promoting this "liberty act" as something that " protects Americans’ lives and their civil liberties."

You're missing the important part, that we know they easily fake whatever data they need to, from the tower your cell phone pings, to a supposed email you sent, to the current tech that will actually take audio of your voice and with access to a few hundred words can make a recording of you saying ANYTHING.

Up to this point, they can't just present a bunch of "evidence" like this out of thin air, but in the future, they can deliver whatever evidence they create with no previous warrant or any reasonable reason for the collection of that data.

They can easily snuff us all and blame it on an outside entity.EMP from N.Korea shuts down the electrical grid killing 90 percent of us in a year.Bubonic plague spreading out of Madagascar etc.Also it really doesn't matter what you say or do anymore,they are now capable of inserting any planted evidence they want to frame you for and scrub any evidence of that insertion.

You're the one that specifically mentioned the PA extension.

I just wanted to show the actual votes.

Yet you're gonna pass the buck to Obama, despite the fact that it was made in the Bush era, and the house was Republican majority when the 2011 extension went through...

You can't "sign an executive order to abolish" legislation. That's not how it works. Holy shit...

The post-fact era is real.

And it's not just "a single piece of legislation."

Republicans do this shit constantly.

https://imgur.com/LA4kpmf

If you don't like the patriot act then you're not a patriot.. muricuh!

this is the final step from mass surveillance against "terrorists" to mass surveillance against the public. 100% militarized police state. they will hand down all the surveillance tools to local police depts. they already use the patriot act to bust and lockup low level drug dealers.

Is HW news a distraction for this & LV investigation?