I've actually seen interviews where they were talking to a person who "identifies as someone attracted to young people" or something very close verbiage. It was a way to destigmatize the fact he was sexually attracted to people who are prepubescent. He needs help, and instead, they're trying to legitimize him and act like he's discriminated against. Guess I'm a bigot by that standard...

This one might be the whole "pedophile is this age to this age" and there's some other word for teens, either way it's a minor under the age of consent.

There are different words but idc, call em what you want.

this is a video your comment reminded me of.

I doubt it's there to normalize pedophilia or any form of it, as I'm pretty sure it's a legitimate comedy skit, but I haven't looked into the YT'ers background so who knows.

It's not from that, it was a news piece, and I just can't remember which syndicate. I tried to google it, and it was mostly psychology studies and probably stuff that put me on another list. Couldn't find it, sorry.

Were you thinking of the term "MAIs" or "Minor-Attracted Individuals"? It's one term I've heard pedophiles attempt to make themselves sound less heinous.

http://www.visiontimes.com/2015/07/27/listen-to-what-a-pedophile-really-thinks-in-a-60-minutes-interview.html. ?

And the worst part about saying it like that means that LGBTQ people get lumped in with those disgusting perverts.

A fine post. The mythos of "the virgin" is a reflection of this.

Yes this is correct. If you find a pederast. Chop off their testicles, no exceptions.

You forgot the removal of body hair to look like child.

You haven't noticed that people have be shaving and removing more of their body hair over the last half century? When is the last time a film star had hair on his chest? Or take porn, almost no hair there either.

Ah man, seriously child rapists ruining everything, I like a clean work surface and only on adult women. Seriously though this post is disturbing as hell and makes me furious. I can't imagine how such an abuse could be considered acceptable or made reasonable. As a parent, there are few things that fuck with my brain in the middle of the night like this and I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep after putting a bullet through the head of someone who's been proven out to be a child molester.

You should read the entirety of the x dossier about the Dutroux coverup.

I shave my areas and so does my wife it's not because we are pedofiles you ignorant wretch it's because we don't like body hair it's gross and holds body odor. It's also not attractive. To either of us. To go down on a woman with body hair and get their pines in my mouth is just gross she also agrees. Lol so fuck off with that statement!

They use the best conditioning on us, folks.

Cuck.

Removed. Rule 4.

He's a cuckold though, look at the post history. Is it not OK to point that out?

Well damn. I guess I knew some people were into that but I've only ever seen it used as an insult. But your comment was just the one word, with no context, so as a general rule I'm going to say no.

Fair enough.

Prime example at full-on anti-body hair brain washing. You are claiming our natural bodies are gross and not attractive. Only youth is attractive.

lol you're reaching... I'm saying for some people it's attractive but to us it's not. Has nothing to do with sexuality or anything sexual in the least. That's like saying people that don't like feet must have a fetish for people who have had their feet amputated. Lol

Sure I am reaching, but I think there is something to it. Full Disclosure: I'm hairy by today's standards, but below normal by 70's standards, so I do have a personal grudge against this trend.

Why though lol it shouldn't effect you what other people do to groom themselves lol. You like what you like. But someone didn't just try to put you in a class with pedos because of it. I mean that's as ridiculous as somebody saying oh your hairy... must be into beasitality or Sasquatch lol 😂...

I've never equated practitioners of modern grooming to pedophiles. I'm just claiming they are victims of a campaign that made hairlessness desirable. Has this campaign's goals been to normalize youth fetishization or just to sell more razors? Or is it an organic movement motivated by something else.

Axe commercials. "Are you touching your armpits? Don't. It's gross."

Removing pubic and underarm hair does not suddenly make a postpubescent man or woman look like a prepubescent child.

Actually, the recent trend is growing out your underarm hair and dying it unnatural colors or growing out your pubic hair and waxing it into hearts and stars or whatever. There are "feminists" taking pictures of their leg and armpit hair and posting it on Instagram.

Removing body hair is akin to cleanliness and neatness. It is a type of physical grooming and maintenance that separates us from animals. The recent agenda is to make people equate themselves with animals, and act like them too.

Removing pubic and underarm hair does not suddenly make a postpubescent man or woman look like a prepubescent child.

Actually, the recent trend is growing out your underarm hair and dying it unnatural colors or growing out your pubic hair and waxing it into hearts and stars or whatever. There are "feminists" taking pictures of their leg and armpit hair and posting it on Instagram.

Removing body hair is helps one achieve cleanliness and neatness. It is a type of physical grooming and maintenance that separates us from animals. The recent agenda is to make people equate themselves with animals, and act like them too.

The male hair removal in mainstream male leads is pretty complete. Arm, chest and leg hair removal is the norm.

Look at the way movies and TV shows mock male characters with body hair.

Most people don't even know that age of consent is actually 10-12 in some US states, but you have to be married to the person. Crazy world we live in...

Due to legal loopholes, more than 200,000 children married in the United States over the last 15 years, mostly girls married to adult men. Girls as young as 10 were among the minors who wedded under legal loopholes.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/200000-children-married-us-15-years-child-marriage-child-brides-new-jersey-chris-christie-a7830266.html

A bit older article from early 2017:

We learned that in 38 [US] states, between 2000 and 2010, more than 167,000 children — almost all of them girls, some as young 12 — were married during that period, mostly to men 18 or older.

Many of the children married [in the United States] between 2000 and 2010 were wed to adults significantly older than they were, the data shows. At least 31 percent were married to a spouse age 21 or older. (The actual number is probably higher, as some states did not provide spousal ages.)

Many of the states that provided data included categories such as “14 and younger,” without specifying exactly how much younger some brides and grooms were. Thus, the 12-year-olds we found in Alaska, Louisiana and South Carolina’s data might not have been the youngest children wed in America between 2000 and 2010.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/02/10/why-does-the-united-states-still-let-12-year-old-girls-get-married/

Wtf

I'd be curious as to how religion plays into these numbers. ALL religion.

OP This post seems to be intent on just what you claim is being done.

That isn't what I said.

I couldn't read all of that sick post.

Looking breifly at your post history, I can tell you that this sub is a bit too harsh for you.

Head back to politics or news. You're not going to like what gets talked about here kiddo.

Are you confessing to wanting to talk about sex and children because that is what I have a problem with.

so ignorance is the answer?

Youitoo scared to talk about the worst issues in society?

Thanks for another example of how this sub is being turned into a pedo hangout

Can you answer the question?

Is the question: Are you a pedophile?

It seems like that's your implication. Can you be more specific with what you meant?

Do you have you pants unzipped and your dick out and ready?

It is very telling that this Weinstein person got called out, and then there are reports he is suicidal. These people are fucking cowards. They use their power to manipulate and take advantage of people, but they are cowards once they are exposed and that power is stripped away.

This applies to all people in power, not just in Hollywood. I don't see why people are so afraid to challenge the system. The system survives because it is not challenged.

We have to do it soon before real time internet connection goes away :/

What's happening to real time internet connection? Any chance you have a link I could check out?

I'd like to point out how different the context of it was for the romans and greeks. Especially for the military setting it was probably quite helpful in training recruits and making them be less willing to flee etc.

Also don't forget that you didn't become a true adult until your late 20s/early 30s for greece/rome.

Be very wary of ancient historians, you ought not to take them at face value, they have many biases which inform their work. I'm no expert on the empire but I think you should see what modern historians nake of that claim to see if it holds water

true adult until your late 20s/early 30s for greece/rome.

That part is hard to say. There wasn't really an age where this happened, it was more about who you were and what you did. Anything under 17 was a non adult at any rate, but from 17 onwards it was largely about if you had completed military service, gotten married, etc. If a man was a NEET equivalent he would be seen as a young man for much longer than someone who served.

Sex itself wasn't always what we think either. Often the young man would cross his legs and his thighs were used.

It's also very important that 'receivers' were looked down on as lesser men. You couldn't expect to become much of anything if you were used in that way so most were involuntarily used.

Trans people are not a stepping stone to pedophilia for a culture. There is no reason to involve unrelated prejudices, particularly when the insinuation is that trans people are just a tool of politics or Satan, and not actual people with families and loved ones and problems of their own to worry about. Doesn’t make sense.

There’s little upset over GRS on infants, which is far more common than kids transitioning medically before puberty. Most often, the treatment for children who consider themselves as trans Just delays some aspects of puberty, preventing the need for many invasive cosmetic procedures down the road. These procedures (eg rhinoplasty, tracheal shave, jaw surgery, breast reduction, just to name a few) are not typically covered by insurance, but can be avoided with early treatment. The logistics are case-by-case, as they should be, and the controversy is overblown, to the detriment of many trans children who might be subjected to physical changes that can literally be avoided.

I lived with a brain tumor for 15 years before I knew anything about it, people are resilient. My surgery was covered, thankfully, but I wish I had I put a lot sooner, even if it affected my development. These kids won’t have the luxury of having it done later for free. If they have reasons to believe they are trans, that’s between them and their doctors, not you, me, or any legislators.

I think you are overestimating the “damage done” and also you’re wrong to assume that transitioning is damaging — it’s literally a cure for many people. What’s your horse in this race anyway?

they should be able to drink and get tattoos and smoke also, cause they're old enough to make good decisions at that age

Maybe if those were considered treatments, but otherwise an absurd example.

And giving hormones to a prepubescent child isn't absurd? How about letting the brain fully develop before shoot up kids with testosterone or estradiol? Let a boy wear a dress, whatever, but dont fuck up their body with shit you dont even understand. I know there is some scientific literature correlating brain structure with gender dysphroia. There are no such studies on children.

Beyond humans, do you really understand the environmental impact?? You know waste water treatment doesn't remove hormones and pharmaceuticals, right? They just dump that shit straight into rivers and streams and fuck up fish and macroinvertebrate sexes.

Again, especially at ages mentioned (4, 5) there wouldn’t be hormone therapy. Maybe hormone blockers after age 8 or 10, but you are seriously misinformed.

Can you inform me please?

Scientific study shows proof of hormonal irregularities can cause gender dysphoria. Not just in homosapiens. I knew I was a female at a very young age. 4 or 5. When your body is wrong you have a pretty damn good idea about it and the older you get the more and more worse the dysphoria gets.

Which studies and are they reproducible? I was a tom boy and wanted to be like the boys as a young girl. Now that im an adult im happy those options where not an option. It would have ruined my life.

Just because it wasn't wrong for you doesn't mean it's wrong for everyone.

Just because its right for you, doesn't mean right for everyone. Especially children.

It's definitely right for children. I wish more than anything I could go back and begin transition before puberty. It's a real condition.

Wow, I got chills reading the bit about transgender kids and how it helps normalize it, never thought of it that way and now it makes total sense. Thank you for putting this all together

Also consider the far departure from abstinence-only sex education. Schools are actually teaching children how to have sex before the age of consent. It's quite the brave new world...order.

Because as it turns out, abstinence only sex-ed does not work and tons of teens get pregnant.

I believe there can be an educational middle ground. But we must recommend our children not have sex in the first place. Then advise on protection from pregnancy and STDs. We should not simply assume they will do it and make it sound okay. IMO

It really depends on the age. I am pretty sure that most 14-15 year olds (that have sex with each other) understand consent and if you don't teach them that they should always use protection they will just end up with STDs or pregnant.

I know that I was looking at dirty magazines at the age of 12-13 and in the day and age of the internet this must happen much earlier now. If you don't teach them at school they will learn it "in the street" because parents are often too scared to talk to their kids about sex.

For 10 year olds it is a different topic but they should definitely learn what sex/pregnancy is. Teaching them how to use a condom is bullshit though.

I believe that understanding consent below the age thereof would preclude one from believing he/she can consent. If we are not teaching children to abstain until adulthood (preferably marriage, but that's another topic), then we are not truly teaching them the meaning of consent.

Nevertheless, I understand your point. It would be unfair not to arm young adults, or those on the cusp of adulthood, with the knowledge of preventative measures re: the risks of engaging in intercourse. Even if they shouldn't need this knowledge, it may keep a bad decision from becoming an even worse one, such as abortion.

Still, I disagree with your assessment that 10 year olds necessarily need to know what sex is. A 10 year old who is old enough to ask should be taught by parents in privacy, not by schools in public (in the company of classmates). Unfortunately, we often encounter the problem of curious children receiving no guidance from either source. What to do..?

finally a conspiracy I can get behind

In Islam, a woman has to have reached reproductive maturity to get married—she has to have had a menstrual period. Furthermore, she has to be able mentally and emotionally mature enough to want to marry the man who proposed marriage to her, and her consent is required. The marriage is conducted in front of witnesses, and a contract is signed stipulating the agreed upon conditions of the marriage.

Aisha, may Allah be pleased with her, is the narrator of many ahadith (saying attributed to the Prophet Muhammad, upon whom there is peace), and she was married to him until he passed away. She spoke highly of her husband and his moral character.

You are speaking about something of which you have no knowledge.

Having sexual relations with/raping a prepubescent child is not the same as proposing marriage to postpubescent woman and living a happily married life with her until your death. The age of Aisha, may Allah be pleased with her, is mere speculation, but she must have reached puberty before she was able to consent to marriage.

Furthermore, it was customary for women in pre-Islamic and post-Islamic Arabia (as well as other parts of the world!) to get married shortly after reaching puberty at that time. The idea that one becomes an adult capable of consent at 18 years old is a modern day practice. Men and women reach puberty at different ages; our biology clearly indicates when we, as individuals, have reached reproductive maturity, regardless of what generalized man-made laws dictate.

There are people preying on infants, toddlers and young, prepubescent children, and there are also people desiring sexual relationships with teenaged pubescents. These people are following their own depraved lusts and desires. Do not conflate this kind of sexual deviance with consenting, devoutly religious postpubescents publicly getting married and living as husband and wife. They are not the same.

There are rules to marriage in Islam, and we believe in Heaven and Hell! How can you believe that a Prophet of God would do anything immoral? How can anyone think that a person who rapes a prepubescent child would somehow rewarded with eternal Paradise in the Hereafter? In Islam, sex outside of marriage is considered a major sin, and marriage can only occur between consenting prepubescent men and women. Our religion is about self-control, resisting worldly desires and refraining from evil, harmful acts. People regurgitate this claim against the Prophet Muhammad, upon whom there is peace, over and over again, so lightly. Do you understand the gravity of what you are claiming?

At the time that the Prophet Muhammad, upon whom there is peace, was speaking about monotheism to the polytheistic pagans he lived amongst, they called him a madman and a sorcerer. Those who did not wish to worship a single Deity called him names and accused him of many things. They criticized everything about him that they did not accept. They did not, however, say anything about his marriages...because his marriages were not anything atypical in their society. Had it been an unprecedented act or something totally new to them...they surely would have tried to defame him because of it, but because it was totally normal. nothing was said about it. The historical context is critical when discussing this matter.

Although we should take what we find on Wikipedia with a grain of salt, this is what it says about the history of "child marriages":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage#History

"Historically, child marriage was common around the world, the average life expectancy did not exceed 50 years old so it was seen as a better way to reproduce through child marriage. The practice began to be questioned in the 20th century, with the age of individuals' first marriage increasing in many countries and most countries increasing the minimum marriage age

"In ancient and medieval societies, it was common for girls to be betrothed at or even before puberty. As Friedman claims, 'arranging and contracting the marriage of a young girl were the undisputed prerogatives of her father in ancient Israel.' Most girls were married before the age of 15, often at the start of their puberty. In the Middle Ages the age at marriage seems to have been around puberty throughout the Jewish world.

"Ruth Lamdan writes: 'The numerous references to child marriage in the 16th- century Responsa literature and other sources, shows that child marriage was so common, it was virtually the norm. In this context, it is important to remember that in halakha, the term "minor" refers to a girl under twelve years and a day. A girl aged twelve and a half was already considered an adult in all respects.'

"In Ancient Greece, early marriage and motherhood for girls was encouraged. Even boys were expected to marry in their teens. Early marriages and teenage motherhood was typical. In Ancient Rome, girls married above the age of 12 and boys above 14. In the Middle Ages, under English civil laws that were derived from Roman laws, marriages before the age of 16 were common. In Imperial China, child marriage was the norm."

It is not right of you to act like a postpubescent 12 year old woman, who is biologically capable of giving birth, consenting to/agreeing to/wanting to have a public marriage is the same thing as a prepubescent child getting raped or sexually abused by a depraved individual in secret.

I am not your bro; I am a Muslim woman. I converted to Islam after a decade of Agnosticism.

You said:

"Did you know before jihad they are granted a request that cannot be denied and will not tarnish their reputation."

What? What is your source?

First of all "jihad" means "struggle". Jihad can mean defending yourself against an invading army who seeks to kill you because of your religion, but it is also used to describe the struggle we have against our own desires. We are fighting jihad against sinning. You are saying that before defending yourself against an invading army, a Muslim can, like, put in a request to someone to do something—anything—and no one can stop them or look down on them for it and, apparently, it won't be considered a sin in the eye of God? Guess again.

No matter what the circumstances are, having a sexual relationship with a person of the opposite sex outside of marriage to them is a sin, and having a same-sex relationship is also a sin! You are combining these things together and saying that a Muslim, before engaging in defensive warfare, can have sex outside of marriage to a child of the same gender as them??? What??? This is patently false! If they do this and do not repent, when they die, they will be punished with eternal Hellfire! THAT is what Muslim actually believe.

You did say something, however, that is somewhat accurate. People with wealth and power do often abuse it, and in some cultures it is even more overlooked than others. Culture, however, is not religion.

There are indeed people claiming to be Muslims who ignore the rules of our religion and instead violate those rules, either as a result of cultural traditions or their own lusts and worldly desires. For example, in some countries, people who claim they are Muslims are marrying their children off in arranged marriages. In Islam, it is forbidden to arrange a marriage. A man and woman have to decide, suing their own freewill, if they want to get married or not. A woman's father, for example, cannot force her to marry a man she does not want to marry. Culture ≠ religion!

The Qur'an is full of specific laws/rules/regulations. Do not make assumptions about Islam based on the wrongdoings of ignorant , fallible human beings who claim to be following it, but are in fact ignoring it in favor of their own preferences, desires, ideas and culture.

Yes sister, they’ll never listen unfortunately. The conspiracy to defame Islam has permeated all throughout our society, and all of the misconceptions are absolutely amazing. Keep speaking the truth!

Thank you for your encouragement. Allah, s.w.t., has truly blessed us and had mercy on us.

Those conspiring to mislead people away from understanding and accepting Islam have been largely successful in their deception; most people have been effectively indoctrinated to dismiss Islam outright without any independent research of their own. Many people who claim to question the mainstream narrative have so easily accepted the mainstream propaganda that casts Islam in a negative light, portraying it as the source of the world's problems, when in fact the opposite is true. Allah, s.w.t., guides whom He pleases; I can speak the truth day and night, and it is clear that only those upon whom He has bestowed His mercy will be able to accept it.

It's not your fault bro. The understanding of Islam in this world is very low. Us as Muslims can’t really do anything about this since it is so widespread so we just try to be good people to try and change the narrative. Have a good day man and next time, please read up a bit before throwing an opinion :)

For those downvoting, why not verbalize your reasons for doing so?

Coz it's a wall of text and I didn't read it.

Coz i didn't read the wall of text.

Found the Muslim

This is how the normalization of homosexuality started.

In 1963, in Congressional Record, it was brought up that there are 45 Communist Goals to achieve the takeover of America.

1. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

2. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

3. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy." . They are well on their way.

They are literally taking God away from us. It is a very scary thing.

Only if you let them.

https://twitter.com/reaconaria/status/913527842859896832

This shit right here is being defended by the media and sheeple as "art" and any attempt to label it as pedophilia is taken down as "censorship".

Bestiality is still considered normal, in many cultures.

Which?

One day, I went to a neighborhood bbq block party. The cousin of a neighbor got drunk and told people by the bonfire that it was normal for guys to have sex with farm animals, and was considered practice for when they were married. He was from South America.

I wouldn't say normal, but also not quite so shunned, but some South American countries don't view it in the same way we do. Also it was legal in the U.S until only a couple decades ago

Forsure man. I see it in movies and TV-shows all the time. Referencing kids in sexual ways legit happens in so many goddamn movies. Since pedogate I have probably closed out of like 5 TV shows just cause they keep sexualizing the kids roles. The only one I can remember off the top is the one with the little kid wearing a bondage gag http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=62529

Fucked up. Here's my conspiracy about it; If you are abused you are predisposed to be an abuser later in life. (data supports that) We are in the feed back loop of so many abusive societies. We gotta point it out, and correct it

Muhammad, the Prophet Of Islam, was not a pedo. In Islam, a lady can choose to marry if she has passed the age of puberty. Aisha asked and requested to marry the Prophet and her request was accepted. She then earned the title of “Mother Of The Believers”, and she is immortalised in time as the greatest woman to ever exist.

Agreed, this agenda has been pushed for as long as I can remember. The sexualization of children is beyond acceptable in movies and tv now. It is truly disgusting.

For another historical example, read Plato's "Symposium". Older men of wealth would take on younger men for sexual purposes. It was believed to be the best sex.

The question is, do we have a chance? Up until a decade ago the idea of gay marriage wasn't even idea among the mainstream. I'm not equating the two, but the way gay marriage was pushed on us and the fact that you are no somehow a bigot if you are against it when every American had accepted the fact since the inception of our country is a strategy that the pedo's are following too. Ask yourself why in early 90's virtually every sitcom had to have a likable, funny, gay character. How long until there's pedo character that has the laugh track booming?

sadly, the laugh track was playing before jimmy saville. not funny to non pervs.

As a transgender woman I am offended at some of the things you have stated here.

Part of the reason Pizzagate got so much momentum was that one of the prime suspects was really into Roman statues of very young boys. And that his name is transliterated as "I love infants"

But nah, it's not at all concerning.

Thank you for your care

The fall of every great civilization always begin with this kind of depravity. It needs to end it pushes people away from God and towards evil which they cannot come back from.

I will get downvotes but I am being honest

Why as a grown man should I care about any of this?

If they literally made child fucking legal tomorrow it wouldn’t effect me unless I have a kid and I don’t really plan on having one

If all the weirdos started walking around with kids on as sex slaves I still have to go to work

I don’t really like kids, and despise younger adults competing in the job market- so let them all become transgender hormone raped fucks- easier for me to get a job since they will all be killing then selves from depression

None of these anti pedo crusaders are going to do shit for ME- for the shit in MY LIFE for hard crap I have to deal with, but I have to listen to how I am supposed to care about kids I don’t know getting fucked by people I don’t over bullshit I don’t care about

Why don’t all you fucks put some effort into helping grown ass adult men who are tired of the bullshit in our lives instead of this conspiracy shit

Fuck the children, I don’t give a shit

Bump, up vote.

Jesus that is disturbing.

There needs to be a non partisan agreement between the vast vast majority of people who are sane than the minute a public figure indicates any sympathy for or apologizes or protects this sort of thing, they have tainted themselves and merit being torn from power, whatever political party or philosophy they claim to espouse. Some things are simply too goddamn obscene and evil to tolerate. There may be no pure goodness, but there is certainly pure and unquestioning evil.

Looking breifly at your post history, I can tell you that this sub is a bit too harsh for you.

Head back to politics or news. You're not going to like what gets talked about here kiddo.

I lived with a brain tumor for 15 years before I knew anything about it, people are resilient. My surgery was covered, thankfully, but I wish I had I put a lot sooner, even if it affected my development. These kids won’t have the luxury of having it done later for free. If they have reasons to believe they are trans, that’s between them and their doctors, not you, me, or any legislators.

I think you are overestimating the “damage done” and also you’re wrong to assume that transitioning is damaging — it’s literally a cure for many people. What’s your horse in this race anyway?

Sure I am reaching, but I think there is something to it. Full Disclosure: I'm hairy by today's standards, but below normal by 70's standards, so I do have a personal grudge against this trend.

Scientific study shows proof of hormonal irregularities can cause gender dysphoria. Not just in homosapiens. I knew I was a female at a very young age. 4 or 5. When your body is wrong you have a pretty damn good idea about it and the older you get the more and more worse the dysphoria gets.

What's happening to real time internet connection? Any chance you have a link I could check out?