Apparently Laura Loomer will be releasing footage today...

https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/922488208155463681

Make a post when she does. Ill bet youll make many karmas if you do

updoots

Redditors that don't know karma.

It’s up.

What's up?

Laura’s video that you asked to be notified on? Lol

I was saying for you to make it into a post to farm some karma when it came out. Thanks for the update anyway

Laura the nose Loomer.

That woman is putting her life on the line by continuing to investigate this. Hopefully your comment was in regard to her sniffing out stories and not an insult based on her looks...

The nose knows.

Hilarious. Does your mom and dad know you are using the internet even though you're grounded?

Are you saying you like going online to talk to children? Where is Chris Matthews when you need him...

Wrong Chris, bud.

Lol oh

I dont have twitter, can you be sure to post whatever video she does? much appreciated brother

Sure!

^Da Man

Yeah, I saw that... Hmm...

This is her last tweet, another hour of waiting

https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/922606407228313600

https://mobile.twitter.com/LauraLoomer

Newest up. Video of what appears to be a man shot (on the ground) by the elevators at MB with LEO on scene.

Her Twitter has been oddly silent since her tweet... over 6 hours and not even a RT....

Yeah, I saw that... Hmm...

She’s either trolling us or been silenced.

Maybe she had a bug lunch and had to nap...

Nothingburger

Probably suicided herself with 2 shots to the back of the head.

It would be interesting to see a study done, on the length of a typical news cycle of these events.

One of the largest mass shootings in American history and not more than a week of coverage it feels like. Was this the same for Orlando?

I dont pay any attention to the msm so i cant really say. And ive no doubt the news cycle on a CT or alt-media site, is considerably longer.

In Florida sure but we talking national news. They are still reporting in Vegas too. It's the "News" this story is no longer "New"

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/23/insider/reporting-on-las-vegas-pixel-by-pixel.html

With Orlando they tried to hide motive, even so far as to repeatedly deface the Wikipedia page -- but too much of the 9/11 calls got out.

They were hammering on Sandy Hook for months, until reporters started looking into the details and then it suddenly disappeared.

We squashed it. That is a victory in and of itself. Phase II is figuring out the truth.

The whole narrative stinks and the media has essentially moved on. Whether the government was involved or not, there are most certainly details about this event that are being withheld. I think it's important to consider that just because a cover up may be happening, it doesn't directly implicate the involvement of a three letter agency. It's entirely possible some other group was responsible and, even though the eff bee eye might know who, they're refusing to give out the information. Regardless, the American public (and the world, for that matter) deserve to know what exactly happened that night... Because it sure as hell didn't happen the way we've been told. Every day I see less and less about this story, even on this sub! Stories of sexual allegations, uranium one, and other stuff continue to pour into r/conspiracy. Obviously these are important and possible even related topics, but I'm very hopeful that we can keep digging into Vegas. I encourage everyone to scour the web for ANY other video footage out there. The real answers lie within the videos of bystanders.

Thanks for initial post. We need more of this.

This story matters to me as well on a personal level.

We know he bought a bunch of guns himself. We still have no idea why he did it though. Very unsatisfying.

This is the first time in recent history I can think of that they've withheld a motive for longer than 24 hours. How long did it take to figure out it was AL queda that did 911? Lol

I said Bin Laden before the first tower fell. Of course, I pronounced it bin laid-in, because I had only ever read the name in a book about the 1993 bombing. And I also called the ft. Lauderdale shooting as gun in checked luggage because of a book.

To be honest, this story makes me extremely nervous, like Sandy Hook did. Not just because of the horror of it, but because I am just waiting for the copycats.

For everyone that posts, there are many that lurk. Don't get discouraged if the lurkers don't post, we are still here.

Can confirm. I never post, but have scoured the threads daily, as well as the news. I hate to see this one die.

This Lurkers unite

That was my first ever post. I lost my Reddit virginity over Vegas. That's how important it is.

Agreed. I'm going back now and rereading posts on this sub from 21 days ago and I put "Vegas" in the search bar Some interesting nuggets of information I had forgotten about.

I lost my Reddit virginity over Vegas.

I'm sorry but you definitely did Vegas wrong ;)

Me too. Don't post all of the time but I read a lot.

So you knew that bin laden was a patsy before the first tower fell?

I had read a book about the 1993 bombing, how they were trying to knock one tower into the other by blowing up a vehicle right next to a certain support. I don't necessarily think that bin Laden was a pasty, since I personally think he has a lot in common with Kim Jong Il without having a nation behind him.

So that book on the 93 event is the only book you've ever read? Osama was a CIA asset who repeatedly denied involvement. Wake up

Not the only book I've ever read, just the only one on that subject, which I read about 20 years ago.

Like most others, I have limited time to devote to reading, since I have a job and kids that generally expect to be fed, watered, and carted around several times a day. I have to pick and choose where I can delve deeper.

I also don't go looking for ways to exonerate a guy that I think was happy with the results of 9-11.

So you're saying you don't have time to think for yourself? You suppose that may be by design?

Obl was not at all involved in the execution of the attack. He was a patsy, and repeatedly said so.

How would someone else possibly be able to effect how much time I have? I was a SAHM for 10 years and had no more time for reading than I do now, since kids need my time and attention. There has never, ever been a time in human history when everyone had unlimited free time to learn and do whatever they wanted- people have always had to work to keep themselves fed. In fact, I would argue that we have more free time now than ever before- mass production means that I don't have to spend hours of my day making bread, washing clothes by hand, hunting and killing my own food, etc.

Even if I had unlimited time, reading up on OBL would not make the cut. I simply don't care enough about him to make the time to read about him. There are other things I would rather do.

Right. So you don't mind slavery and enjoy writing poorly. Got it.

If you read slavery in that, you have issues.

Then you are well and truly fucked. Have fun in the cave. Look into debt slavery, fiat currency, and fractional reserve banking if you ever want to wake up from your somnambulism.

When, ever, have humans not had to do something in order to survive? Do you expect that you shouldn't have to work to survive? If you get sick, who takes care of you? Would you not be the slavemaster if you expect someone to care for you for free?

You are so disconnected from the natural world, it's disgusting. I suppose the real tragedy is that you bred. And now your kids have little chance at understanding, given their father's one dimensional ignorance.

Lurkers represent the silent majority

LURKERS UNITE

That makes me think that releasing the motive might endanger the public by inspiring retaliatory shootings. If the guy was ANTIFA or some other nut like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Congressional_baseball_shooting

If he was part of any group - that group already knows.

We have no idea. Law enforcement does.

We don't know shit about SP. Everything we know is what the FBI has told us and thier track record for truth in this matter is questionable.

Well the guy who sold the gun came forward. There is more to conspiracy theory to just rejecting any piece of available info and posit with the same credibility wacko every-one-is-in-on-it ideas and official sources.

One gun store owner sold him one gun and now he is a "domestic terrorist". How convient for TPTB now anyone with a gun might become a domestic terrorist. Next logical step the public has to give up thier guns, you know for safety, while the government stock piles guns

Did they do anything in this direction? Or is it like Obama taking our gun?

To me the real conspiracy here is the disgusting ability of the NRA to influence legislation.

I've put out two posts since last night, and although one had a typo in the title, they're surprisingly not getting very much attention.. I'm starting to think it's a much smaller group of us, or the shitposting about rapists and whoever on the left has done something wrong(news).. that's what people are apparently interested (distracted by) in.

This sub has been having posts slide for almost a week, mostly by stuff that isn't a conspiracy.

It was likely an illegal arms deal gone bad. THe guy was probably a fed...how else did he get all that money? He wasn't a professional poker player, he likely got funds from a CIA slush fund

Interesting point. If that's the truth we will never know.

The cia uses drugs and guns to finance extra curricular activities. In a non regulated non audited environment it's stupid to think these people weren't getting a piece of the pie. If I'm going out to some desert or jungle to sling your weed cherry pie I'm taking 5% off the top.

I still don’t get how an arms deal gone bad leads to someone spraying a crowd of concert goers . Can someone explain?

Exactly this. I've never heard a single explanation of that progression.

Let's pretend Paddock was a FBI arms dealer who facilitated gun sales in order to keep tabs on various criminal and terrorist groups. Let's say he was setting up a deal with one of these groups, and the group became aware of who Paddock truly represented (FBI/CIA) and what the true motives are.

If the group comes into the meeting with Paddock, kills him, pulls off a massacre and leaves the scene in such a way that it looks like Paddock did it, what kind of a position does that put their opposition (the FBI/CIA)? If they admit that Paddock is a CIA/FBI agent, they will be admitting that they supply guns to criminals in order to gain information on them. They also take indirect blame for the massacre by allowing a deal to go on in such a circumstance. The 'progression' would be that it was pre-meditated, but that the 3-letter agencies involved were betrayed and taken by surprise, and now they either have to admit guilt or try to pin it on somebody else.

It doesn't make sense at all. Here is my take. If I were an arms dealer, would I be selling AR15 rifles with bump stocks or real fully automatic weapons. Why would anyone just be like screw it lets make noise and shoot everyone instead of killing Paddock and getting out of there in one piece. Let alone cops already all around the place and moving up the floors combing the scene. Why would they even do it an a hotel in the first place. Their in Las Vegas, they could easily done a trade in the desert. The arms dealer theory is a dead end.

It depends who you are selling to.

Do you know who owns the floors above where Paddock was found? The Saudi Royal family. If the deal involved terrorist elements that have been funded by the Saudis, everything makes a little more sense (especially the getaway).

So why would he wire money to his girlfriend?

Because he knew he was gonna kill a bunch of people and commit suicide

But how did he have so much money? He wasn't a pro poker player, you can't get the insane amounts of cash he did from playing slots

Did you know that a branch of ISIS has recently taken over certain areas of the Phillippines?

If this was true they wouldn't have paddock, an old man, with all these loaded automatic machine guns, up there by himself doing a "deal" with a bunch of big bad terrorists. Te arms dealer is a dumb theory. My theory holds more water... a sick in the head old man wants to go out and go out with a big bang killing people and becoming famous!! This is the most logical theory .

No its not. Your "theory" is exactly the official story, which is clearly bullshit. Just turn off your brain and ignore all the glaring contradictions in the official story, right? The Lone Nut strikes again!

Actually pretty darn good chance tge lone nut did strike again. Happens all the time and it's the BEST way to get away with something like this. If nobody knows attacks like this can't be stopped

This is the most logical theory .

No it's not logical at all - there is no motive. If he wanted to be famous, he would have left a manifesto or had some sort of message attached to it. He didn't - it's been completely obscured, and the LVPD have admitted that Paddock didnt' expect to die (no suicide note, and they know he intended to survive according to the Sheriff).

So you don't know what you're talking about, nor do you understand what 'logic' is.

If yours is the most logical answer, give me the logic for his attack. There is no precedent of an old man shooting up a country concert for no reason. You're making shit up.

It's actually very logical, but I understand why you don't want it to be. Me either. Most likely this is the case, the problem is that something is being hidden regardless. Doubting it's a set up or conspiracy honestly, but the fact that somehow someone knew about it and also the response time is way fucked up, so that's where the issues lie. Maybe someone helped, probably, but still betting for some odd reason he wanted to be known as being the best at this.

for some odd reason

why 'for some odd reason'?

because what he did isn't logical without a clear motive. you're talking circles around yourself.

The motive of being the best. It happens. I'm not buying it, just saying.

He knew he was dying. The cops said he possibly wanted to escape but really they gave no idea and ya. He didn't have to leave any notes or manifestos to become famous because by the looks of things he already I'd pretty damn famous. He's basically a household name now

none of what you say here is fact - it's all speculation. We dont' know anything and you're making shit up.

What person would agree to an arms deal in a building that has that many security cameras?Why not drive to the desert?

Saudi's own the hotel floors directly above Paddock. They even think he might have used their private elevator to get all that shit in his room. If this is all backed by the Saudis, it makes a lot more sense. It's just speculation tho.

Wow. That's extremely far fetched. Thanks for posting it though.

I personally don't know what happened.

If you did... you wouldn't tell us.

Wondered this too. The theory is really convincing except that one tidbit..

Doesn't make sense to do a gun deal of that size in the 32nd floor of a casino on one of the busiest roads on the planet with people, surveillance and police everywhere. If it were honestly a gun deal there's, oh I dunno, 8 billion better places here in Nevada to do it. Makes zero sense.

Well said.

Can I ask: what is it we can do? I’d like this not to die and at a minimum push for “substantial evidence “ towards anything, even if it would/could prove many of us wrong (doubtful)

It’s ridiculous a dead person is accepted for killing so many people but a live gunman would be “innocent until proven guilty” in court and hard evidence would need to be presented to put him away.

I’m getting exhausted and frustrated and am willing to write someone if I need to stern finger shake

He was caught on the act, in the room with all the guns. Had he survived it would have been a pretty quick investigation.

What makes you think certain that Mr Pollock pulled the trigger?

I haven't seen anything, anywhere - other than assertions - that demonstrates that he did.

I still haven't even seen him inside the hotel with a suitcase. Let's start at the basics. I would be a lot more likely to believe the official narrative if even one still from hotel security footage was released that showed him with a bag big enough to carry one rifle. That's it. I'm a simple man.

It could be Saudi prince shiznit. Israeli false flag. Fbi/via sting gone wrong. A rightist/leftist terrorist and they don't want to spark more violence? A nut job and the casino dropped the ball hiring an uniceness security guard illegal alien and didn't even call in the first shooting of jesus?

Plenty of plausible theories because we don't have anything.

I'm with you on that.

Isn't the pic of him dead on the floor of te Mandalay Bay room good enough?

I just remember the boston bombings and how there was video and pictures everywhere the day of. Of course it was a man hunt kind of at that point but still. Just one or 2 quick pics/videos showing him in the hotel would be great.

What would convince you then? He was locked in the room, who else could have done it?

who else could have done it?

That is where the official story is at: "Oh, who else could have done it?". Fucking hell that's sad.

What about, umm, "anyone"?

I think the best thing we could do is try to organize all the evidence there is.. I made a post about it, but didn't get a large enough response to make me think it's possible.

Since we are getting less and less information by the day, really sorting out all the videos, all the posts, figuring out what's been debunked, what's reasonable.. at the very least it seems like a productive use of our time.

Curious, how would it be productive? Even if the truth was figured out, then what? Just wonder what you guys might see as a "success" I guess.

We need to file lawsuits to force the casinos to release ANY footage that shows JUST him bringing in weapons. It might take a long time (see: Pentagon on 9/11), but we need it to help prove he had help

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/23/insider/reporting-on-las-vegas-pixel-by-pixel.html

Doesn't this contradict Jesus's timeline on Ellen

One helluva job putting all that together. Thanks for posting this link.

No use of the bus stop video which captures the suicide shots. Then they edit out about 30 minutes of dead time to make it look like the police breached the door right after the end of the shooting.

Yes they missed the revolver shots. I don't know if they want to make assumptions of suicide or not. They also had different times from the Taxi driver stereo saying 10:13 while theirs said 10:12. If anyone has checked the audio like I have, syncing most of it in Audacity, they missed the single scoped shots between 10:06 to 10:08.

Clocks in cars are always set at different times. My clock in my car runs about 7 minutes faster then the real time

I do that on purpose to give me a little hustle when driving. Like now, when my kid is going to be late for school.

Ya same here my clock in my car is 7 minutes fast and I usually forget that it's fast so it's a good way to not be late 4 work lol

Right. The media has "moved on" just like:

1. Congressman Scalisce - an attempted mass murder of Republicans.
2. The church shooting - multi murder of Christian whites by non-white, non-christian
3. Murders of country music fans - who are mostly demographically conservative.

Hmm is there a trend here?

Hell yeah! Fuck you MSM and you despicable liberal editors, reporters and TV fuckfaces. Rot in hell.

Except faux news isn't doing anything either man. Thsee are things that challenge the narrative needed in the country to keep us fighting against each other and not just against the ruling class. They are educated in history and all know what happened after the French revolution.

You're still fighting left vs right. White vs black bs. We can join together, progressives and most trump supporters and fix shit. We can settle on the how after we wrest control of the government back for the people

1. Maybe its because I live in the area, but I've heard about it recently.

While the media has moved on, you know who hasn't and won't? Lawyers. I'd venture to say that lawsuits have already been filed. Those are public record, and unless there is an order to seal, so too will any filings related to the lawsuits.

It's completely possible it was a false flag by the Israelis or an attack by dudes sponsored by Saudi arabian princes such as the one that owns a hotel a few floors up. Either one if those situations would lead to mass demonstrations across the world demanding retribution against an ally that is generally viewed disfavor ably across the public (both Israel and Saudi arabia)

His father showed many characteristics of sociopathic personality. We know there is a genetic link there, though nature/nurture can be debated. Couldn't it be that he was also borderline sociopathic and something in him just flipped one day setting this whole thing in motion? He had no close ties with any organizations of any ilk and by all accounts did not want to be under anyone else's thumb. He was also said to be very disciplined. Based on what little we know he does seem like the type thast could pull this off.

You are right. Everything you said is definitely possible and all it would take is some video footage from the hotel to clear things up. The fact that there hasn't been any footage released is what fuels the conspiracy theories from folks... Myself included.

They never let a good crisis go to waste. Their silence means that there's something that they don't want us to know about this event.

I think if this was some big conspiracy it would be bigger. The story is dead, the shooting wasn't at a big political target. Nobody is talking about it. I think if this was some big organized event the news wouldn't let it down and there would be organized million man marches.

Good point. I think the main point is that it could definitely not be a conspiracy, as you put it, but there are still holes in the story that don't add up.

This is what is going on I'm sure. People want there to be something totally insane but it's more just casinos/new age mobsters/metro/fbi holding details that leave holes. The real questions lie in the response time, the "other event" officers responded to instead of the Campos call, the lack of footage when we KNOW it's there, the ever changing timeline..... Just cuz things aren't explained doesn't mean it was this big Saudi plan and blah blah like people are saying. It would be known by now if so, that shit never stays quiet. Thing is, we need a press conference for them to clear up the shit they've said so far.

Thing is, we need a press conference for them to clear up the shit they've said so far.

So far each press conference has resulted in knowing less about what happened.

No million man marches when you kill white red necks.

No. They said they are done with press conferences.

This pisses me off... sigh.

"we showed you campos on ellen, we're done here"

Pretty sure they specifically said "unless there's a major development".

There's just as much of a chance they find something important that dramatically changes things as there was before, there's simply less revelations day by day, and obviously saying shit before they were absolutely sure destroyed their credibility for most.

I'm hopeful for more info at some point, I just don't expect it at anywhere near the same pace as before..

If there are any major revelations, they WILL hide them to prevent people from getting a chance to question the already sloppy narrative. Campus was replaced by an actor, who knows where his body has been dumped!

What? Bodies buried out in the desert? In VEGAS?!? Where do you get these crazy ideas! (/s)

Vegas factor/history definitely muddies the waters on this. By which I mean, shit that seems unimaginable in most US cities (dissapearing a security guard) doesn't seem like much of a stretch in the City of Sin. There are more reasonable possibilities than there would be otherwise.

That's the point though. There won't be any major developments.

I mean that's how it works though isn't it?

These are a hoax, I know most won't believe me. They release just enough information to make you believe it was real. This latest event they were wise to included the multi shooter theory and make seem as if the Conspiracy Theorist community arrived to that conclusion independently by analyzing the sound. But the actors they use also mention the multiple shooters which directly puts into question the official narrative that very same night. The media aired this might I add. All of it intentional so we could come to the conclusion that the official narrative is a lie but the shooting is real. They don't care if you believe the official narrative only that you believe the deaths were real. That the fear is programmed into you.

Dude, are you really trying to argue that nobody died?? How do you explain the obituaries for all of the victims? Give me a break with this hoax stuff. Spreading a hoax narrative is just as misinformative as the official narrative and it hurts the integrity of what we are trying to do here.

You do you, the evidence you can review on your own and come to whatever conclusion you'd like. I'm not here to say hey you need to believe it was a hoax guys. If that is how you take it so be it. How I see it if someone died they won't care if I say it is a hoax. They are dead. If the families care that I say it is a hoax then they must not have valued the lives of their loved one's very much because no matter what I say it shouldn't affect them or their love for those that they have lost. They don't know me personally nor I them.

i agree to an extent. I certainly think most/all people in front of a camera were actors. i still havent seen footage or a good picture of someone being shot or a bullet wound. just lots of footage where this is assumed. "dead" bodies on the ground with no wounds in all the footage I have seen. And to the people claiming they had friends die, etc. you do realise this is not an argument you can make as this cannot be verified.

Whether or not one says that they knew the victims doesn't really matter, as a Google search will quickly reveal their obituaries. Knowing them personally is irrelevant but it is still verifiable that they are indeed dead.

so someone cant make fake obituaries? how do you know any if the people in it ever existed? they can easily make an online presence to make it seem like thier character is real and then print obituaries in the newspaper. just saying you cant just assume what you see and hear is the truth.

It's all 100% verifiable. Are you suggesting that the cover-up goes so far as to create 50+ fake people? Further, it would have to involve statements from their families who, according to you, would have to also be fake? One man from my state (MN) was killed in the attack and i read and saw interviews with his family. You're right that I cant assume everything is true (that's why we are all here right?) but I have to say that you are reaching. That is where the hoax theory loses its feasibility. Of course anyone can create a fake obituary but the fact is that these people are dead and Im certain that a record of their death can be obtained if one is willing to go to that length. Hell, I could walk into the aforementioned guy's workplace and ask about him. He worked about 20 minutes from me.

again i have no way to know if you really knew a guy who died. not oroof. obituaries, death certificate, all easliy faked. Im not saying this is definately what happened im just saying that its possible. The reach of the elite is far greater than most realize. think about the fact that school, work, money, food, sex, and much more are all things that have been designed, not with good will toward humanity but for control purposes. I understand that there is a line one can cross from CT to full blown paranoia and that line is incredabley thin but one must venture to the extremes to see if it fits. we are so well controlled by them that even this whole shadow govt and zionist talk is all just a big farce to have people question the reality to the point that they give up the search for truth. The ones that continue are in places such as this where the manipulation continues. and in reality they have snuffed us out because merely talking about this isnt changing shit. They have created a waorld where people weigh the options and being complacent is easier than a rebellion.

Do you not understand how much easier it would be to kill 58 people than it would be to invent them, create elaborate fake back stories and social media, then fake their deaths in the midst of 20,000 people on one of the busiest and most populated streets in America?

I completely agree that its an easier thing to do. I'm just saying that its possible to do.

Yeah, I can't really argue because all the evidence that is out is circumstantial. We are taking a leap of faith no matter which conclusion we come too.

exactly, all "evidence" is questionable unless it comes from a verified source.

DAE like harassing the parent's of dead children in Sandy Hook? My opinions don't matter though they shouldn't be offended.

I mean have you suffered loss? How do you deal with loss? What is your emotional response to loss? Ask yourself these things. And please explain how you'd react if a loved one died.

LMAO what is this response. Are you autistic? Trying to learn how feelings work? I'd wager 99.9% of people wouldn't want to be harassed and accused over the death of their loved one in a random mass shooting. Enough with rhetorical questions, what is your point?

How do you explain the video of the guy checking wounded and dead people. Then the lights go out at the concert. After the shooting is over.

Dude, my friend is dead. Fuck of ya? A conspiracy doesn’t have to mean “no death happened,” use your brain. Actors. BS... Bring my friend back.

This is a classic cointel tactic used to discredit questions of merit surrounding the event.

What do you mean cointel? Most questions have merit, you are free to ask your questions. They might not be answered, for I don't claim to have the answers. Only what I can conclude on my own. I know there isn't any evidence in which I could present that could prove my position. Now if you want to discuss something please by all means do.

Also if you have any input on the Awan trial I'd love some more information on that.

Cointel = counter intelligence. These ridiculous, left-field speculations are deliberately seeded in the 'conspiracy' communities so they will be attached to (and overshadow) anything even remotely under the umbrella of a 'conspiracy theory' which is itself a term DELIBERATELY weaponized by cointel operations going as far back as the 1950s.

It's why when 'normal' people hear the term 'conspiracy theory' they don't think of thorough, critical thinking types of people, rather than immediately going to thoughts of tinfoil hat wearing lunatics who think the queen is a lizard.

The 'no one died'/'hoax' claims in these mass shootings is a common boilerplate tactic used to infect groups of critical thinkers getting too close to discovering true evidence of government fuckery.

Seriously. You need to read up on American CoIntelPro programs in history and learn why what your saying is harmful to the real investigation when it comes to the outside world taking any of it seriously or opening their mind to the possibility of more nefarious things at work.

Unless of course you're actively participating in a counter intelligence operation right now rather than just parroting one for shock value or a false sense of originality. Because then you would already know all about this sort of operation I suppose.

dude I'll check it out, I think if you are so paranoid and seeing enemies everywhere you might want to take a step back for a moment. I'm not saying quit. Just take a step back gather yourself and quit throwing around accusations. I think the real reason why nothing can get accomplished is because people are so eager to misinterpret what is written so they can go on the attack. We need to understand one another. I'm not privy to all the information in the world.

If you would have commented with the top half of this post to my original comment perhaps that would have been a more effective approach to help correct my thinking if it is indeed wrong. I'll look into this cointel. But geez it is the hostility towards one another no matter the given topic is what we really need to address if we are to solve our problems.

I'm not your enemy. I like many others are looking for answers you don't got to believe that but you can at least try to maintain a cordial discussion

I'm not being hostile, nor do I think you are my enemy, nor do I believe I'm chasing ghosts/making bold paranoid claims.

I'm just saying that for a very long time a lot of these ridiculous theories are deliberate plants by those who do not want 'non-conspiracy types' being won over or enticed by concrete evidence destroying mainstream narratives. You can find more about just how deep some of this goes by looking into cointelpro programs of the CIA in the past.

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false."

• CIA director William Casey, 1981

Well, it seems claiming I'm some sort of cointel is only trying to spread the divide you didn't even bother to ask. I just think you could have went about it in a different manner if you truly wished to help open my eyes. I don't get it seriously. If you are trying to help bring awareness.

I didn't even present a theory, I didn't claim I had answers nor tried to convince anyone that my understanding is correct. But they you just call me cointel.

I truly believe it was a hoax, that is what the evidence or lack there of is telling me. What is wrong with that? You are telling me I should arrive to the same conclusion as you? What is your position on the subject?

What is actually newsworthy?

Didn't they already cover what is known up down and sideways?

They covered it nonstop for days and it slowly trailed off. If something new comes up I'm sure it'll find it's way into the news.

You clearly haven't been following this event.

Yeah, like that bullshit about how the Jesus Campos Award Picture was taken by using a time machine.

That's not exactly news...

That's called fantasy.

Lol ok bro

Agree with you 100%. 3 weeks later and we haven’t heard a reasonable narrative nor seen any casino footage. It’s time.

I wonder if the Myth busters can come to our aid - maybe shed some light on the Myth that our government is slowly killing us off...

Aren't they more of the shadow casting type?

Good luck:

https://twitter.com/donttrythis/status/901493170025881601

https://twitter.com/donttrythis/status/913423051638792193

https://twitter.com/donttrythis/status/825527143723565056

https://twitter.com/donttrythis/status/910620156274946049

So, his political opinions mean what exactly? You do realize this sub isn't actually r/the_Donald_light right? And that has 0 bearing on what you've responded to?

Nice kneejerk..

The info is relevant to the question I responded to. If there was a conspiracy going on, how could we trust a 'mythbuster' with such a massive political bias to find and/or tell the truth about it?

Besides, the Mythbusters split up and refuse to work together anyway.

Knee jerk reaction? I'm just sick of people injecting politics into subjects where there is none, where there's no reason to. I'm sure I'm not alone.

There was a clear reason to. Adam isn't just stating his preferences, he's hysterically anti-Trump. And the massacre has been politicized from day one (remember the Clinton tweet?). Also, here on Reddit it's currently only T_D and conspiracy that are keeping the issue alive.

Meaning: if you want to find the truth wrt a highly politicized or polarizing issue such as the Vegas shooting, it's useless to involve people with an outspoken hysterical political bias such as Adam Savage.

You overreacted. Perhaps understandable, so let's move on.

politics drives people to do things, both good things and bad things.

politics is the means to the end of acquiring money and power, in either order.

That doesn't mean anyone should use any excuse to try to bring politics up in subjects that has nothing to do with it.

I'm commenting on a post about the Las Vegas shooting, not some political post. The very fact that there's people making a conscious effort to push political divides where it simply isn't warranted is the issue.

They want to talk politics and push their agenda, that's what r/t_d or r/politics is for. It's the fact that nothing can be apolitical which is the issue. Worse, is the pushing partisan politics.

Don't defend this bullshit, let's talk about conspiracies, let's talk about Las Vegas.. let's keep the politics in the posts that are actually about politics. This isn't it.

Every comment I've seen you post is solid gold. Replying to try and get some visibility on some truth.

Don't, the last comment I replied to, I thought how someone is likely going to accuse us of using an alt account and blah blah.

My point remains that politics should remain in posts that have something to do with politics is all I'm trying to say. Injecting partisan politics into something that isn't actually political is an obvious attempt to divide us.

Already I regret giving more attention to the very people that would try to create artificial divides.

Alright I'm torn on replying to this, because you're absolute right. If anyone bothered to look through our post histories I'm sure it'd be a stretch to claim alt-account. Maybe not, but I had to say one last thing.

Already I regret giving more attention to the very people that would try to create artificial divides.

I disagree, I think pointing out these situations rationally helps shine a light on the problem. My eyes were opened to these artificial divides a while ago reading a thread in /r/politics where someone I thought I should agree with (because us vs them) was exposed by someone like yourself. Since then I've tried (poorly) to set the same example. It's not much, but it's the most effective tool I've seen in these divisive times.

Something something that line from "thank you for smoking". It's not about convincing the trolls they're wrong, it's about marking a path for those who haven't caught up to you yet. I'm still trying to catch up :-)

You are definitely not fucking alone. Plenty of other subs for political circlejerks (looking at you /r/politics).

leave politics out of everything Las Vegas

Seriously? Democrats have it in their intrest to have mass shooting, to push gun control legislation! Absolutely sickening! Remember Sandy Hook and all the evidence it happened? (Oh wait, they have yet to prove anyone even died there!)

It has nothing to do with Las Vegas conspiracies, not unless they specifically bring gun control into it. Which this post didn't, nor the comment he replied to.

And honestly, considering every branch of government is run by Republicans, I'm sick of the fear mongering.. "but muh guns!" If you're seriously worried that your own party is going to be the ones that take away your guns, guess you better vote Democrat.. because they didn't actually take your guns when they were in charge.

I'm a conservative, and I'm sick of the far right trying to polarize everything. Give it a fucking break. I don't see fucking Democrats pushing their bullshit in this sub. So give it a fucking rest, for real. Hillary's evil, blah blah, she lost. Let's fucking stay on subject at least!

I'm a liberal, and I'm sick of the far left trying to polarize everything too.

I regret that I have but one upvote to give. Couldn't agree more.

<rhetorical> We're in a thread discussing how the MSM and everyone else has dropped the story - and people still think it's about taking away guns? <\rhetorical>

If that was the goal wouldn't they be talking about it as much as possible? Wouldn't the evil libruls want a slow drip of photos, vids, phone calls trickling out to keep it in the spotlight?

Maybe I'm missing something, certainly I have a bias - didn't come here expecting hugs and safe spaces. If ignorance is bliss, then knock the smile off my face.

Posts like silent's keep me coming back though. Good to know there's people across the political spectrum who are fed up with the US vs Them bullshit going on today. I know I am.

That's the thing, you've got a valid point that even I see. But I would argue that I don't see a "far left" so much as individuals with stupid opinions on Twitter making disgusting claims. In no way does it seem to reflect the majority, and more than actual Nazis reflect on conservatives.

But I think there's definitely a far right, and I don't mean alt right Nazis, I mean the shit that comes out of t_d.

Conservative and liberal friends alike have talked about the shit they say there. Whether they're all Bernie Bros, or they've actually been compromised by Russians/whoever.. that sure as fuck doesn't represent conservatives.

I feel like the possibly artificial far right has made most actual conservatives feel more centrist. When you find yourself arguing more against the far right to be reasonable, than you spend actual time debating the opposition.. that's my main reason I think it's artificial.

Your point, MSM would be pushing this story to no end seems perfectly valid to me, yet that's not what's happening. Instead, I get a tweet that Hillary said about silencers. I'm pro gun, and I don't see the need for silencers, if your aim is worth a shit, then the deer are going down no matter how loud the gun is.

I saw another post today, I wish I saved it.. but it argued that Russia would manipulate both sides. And it makes sense. You're on the left, basically saying WTF to the left, I'm on the right saying the same thing to those who claim to be on the right..

Maybe the real conspiracy is that when powers attempt to manipulate us by trying to divide us, both real sides start to question those people.

But then again, here we are posting in a post that had nothing to do with politics.. and I'm finding a new conspiracy.

Man I wish there was a sub to talk discuss this type of stuff.

Just to reiterate one of many good points you made that I agree with - if someone was trying to divide us why wouldn't they target both sides?

You mean a sub, that's real people, talking to other actual real people? That's crazy talk, no /s.

That's the crazy part, in a sub where calling anyone an actual shill is a punishable offense.. not even just here, but anywhere you talk to someone you actually don't know.. they could be a literal shill, and you're just wasting your time arguing against someone who will just simply cut the conversation once there isn't enough incentive to keep wasting your time.

Maybe I can track it down, but there were some comments I kept seeing that had a very special Russian/not American vibe on the Washington Post or some other news site. They made their comments and everything private, but they had sixteen thousand comments made in something like 2 years.

Sixteen thousand comments in one single place.

I'm sadly unemployed at the moment (I'm sure someone will use this against me at some point).. but I'm pretty sure, I don't have 16,000 comments in the last decade. I use apps to save my texts, and I only have a few thousand in the last few years.

I text more than I comment anywhere, so the idea of responding that many times, here or anywhere else that many times, in only two years..

I'm drinking now, I apologize if anything I've said isn't making sense.. but the realization that I might be wasting time on a bot, or someone literally paid to "divide and conquer" was the biggest truth bomb I've ever experienced.

My proof, I'm real.. I tend to be long winded, but I now only waste time on people I think are actual people.. but between texts, comments, anything I say.. it's far less than 16,000 times I've replied to anyone, in any way..

Drunk reply over.

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Thanks for chiming in...

... I seem to remember at one point even the NRA was on board w/ banning bump stocks then drama drama drama the whole conversation disappeared. Just did some googles to make sure I wasn't totally crazy.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/three-weeks-after-las-vegas-legislation-to-ban-bump-stocks-has-stalled-out-in-congress

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/24/politics/bump-stocks-interest/index.html

A little creepy. I'll wait to see how this plays out but it almost seems like a ploy to make people think something was done when in reality nothing changed. Though here are two articles discussing it so hopefully I'm wrong in one way or another (or at least people are noticing).

Very creepy! What...is going on?

You are an absolute crack pot if you think no one died there. You couldn't be more wrong. Closing your eyes and spouting lies doesn't make anything true.

You are sick in the head for thinking nobody died at Sandy Hook. Real sick

The response to attempts to bring finding-the-truth down into some moronic dems/republicans stupidity... is to click the little [-] sign on the left of the poster's name:

[-] False_Song
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and the entire discussion of the shit will be gone. Thanks reddit.

Unfortunately other people still end up reading that stupid shit, and at the very least continue to distract from the actual topic at hand which is what the fuck really happened in LV

Here's a theory - all these motherfuckers who try and do a political whatabout in every post about actual conspiracies are agents of whoever perpetrated said conspiracy.

with you 100%.

Mr.Kidd and Mr.Wint

Killer(s) are still on the loose. they don't want to cause panic.

Maybe. If Mandalay Bay fucked up and it shows on those cameras it would explain why we'll never see anything. A place like that has the pull to keep details out of the public eye too.

It's not a big leap for me to think that the owners of Mandalay wouldn't hesitate to mislead everyone they could in order to save a few pennies on potential litigation if, say, they had evidence that shit was going to go down but kept quiet about it in a stupid attempt to avoid bad publicity. Say they saw him open carrying an AR up to his room on CCTV, sent up Jesus who gets shot (or maybe just sees something he shouldn't have). Jesus reports, but hotel security assumes they can handle it without bringing in the cops (and they don't want a reputation as the place where people bring shit loads of guns) so they don't call it in - "We can handle this internally".

Could be something way worse, but I honestly don't think it would take much for someone to realize how fucked they would be if people died because of their negligence and decide to cover it up.

Everyone remembers that the mob created/runs Vegas right? I could imagine that maybe they have dealt with shit like this in the past through extrajudicial means and kept it off the radar - which is just good business.

You think the mob still "runs" vegas? What do u mean by this? How are they "running" vegas in 2017?

I don't know about the "mob" - substitute "hotel owners" if you'd like.

Whoever is in charge of busting knee caps when they catch people counting cards :)

When have they ever not told the public when killers are on the loose? They would normally put out descriptions, photo fits etc so the public can help catch them.

Well if they don't tell you about it, how do you know about it?

They stopped telling about killers on the loose when the Beltway Snipers were reigning terror on the east coast. Too much terror kept people from producing. Can't have that

They don't want to tell the public the motive they discovered because it might inspire retaliatory shootings.

They tell the public about motive all the time even if it might inspire retaliation. Islamic terrorism for example.

If we had descriptions of suspects, it might expedite finding them. Even if it lacks physical features and is just based off connections/associations, it would still be a big help.

I live near Boston, and the pressure cooker brothers had their faces on the news by Thursday after the bombing.

On top of that we don't even have a real time line of what happened. The initial one with the security guard made perfect sense but then they flipped it and now who knows what really happened

Seriously I was ready to let this dog lie until the story flipped. It made sense before, with some tiny holes. Now you could drive a fucking Humvee through the holes in the story.

why would you see the footage or think you should be able too.

3weeks is longer than the media gives attention to anything unless your name is Hillary Clinton and fox news is on it.

Maybe there is no motive? Only Paddock knows the true motive? Which could just be kill as many people then kill myself and be famous for 100 years?

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Autopsy report? Why the hell would they release the autopsy report to the general public? The police surely won't. Paddocks family are tge only ones who could release the autopsy report to the media. How often are criminals autopsies released to the general public???

Can you explain the Phoenix reference or link to an article above it that? Haven’t heard that piece of it.

Was following this sub, but all of the sudden a bunch of chemtrail posts started pushing LV down.

He rented a car in Phoenix, made unknown trip, then to Vegas. The theory is he went to FBI in Phoenix, which is the location IIRC they ran Operation Fast and Furious.

IIRC they ran Operation Fast and Furious.

Potentially relevant if YRC, which it looks like you are.

He flew to Phoenix, drove back to Vegas and made a stop somewhere that added almost 90 miles to his journey. Theory is he went to pick up something that he couldn't transport back on a plane.

This investigative journalist explains it, he's very good, very clear and provides lots of evidence, travels around speaking to people, gathers documentation etc. He's the real deal, this is his video on the trip to Phoenix, he has other very good videos: https://youtu.be/3sFBz7CTQ5M

Wow, in another one of his vids, he explains that both of his cars have sustained up to 7 tire blowouts. Could be a coincidence obviously. But yes, he's the real deal. He said he even tried to get in the concert fairgrounds, but police were still there preventing access.

He had money. So we should suspect its from money laundering or gun running because...reasons or something. BUT IT MUST BE INVESTIGATED BY NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT!

I'm not sure why people that can't explain why someone would mow down a peaceful crowd believe they can know what's weird behavior for that person when it comes to buying property.

Because they would HAVE to talk about multiple shooters at this point. Would destroy the entire narrative to bring that into the discussion.

Why did the media stopped talking about the shooting? Well, this whole false flag operation was done to invoke reaction from readers regarding guns. Notice how few celebrities came forward and said we need to confiscate guns? Yeah.

The conspiracy nuts, "us" will be talking about this for years to come but the msm has moved on and so have the mind controlled bots who follow msm.

Thoughts and prayers - moving on

Why isn't the mainstream media reporting about the conspiracy? What a sham.

Harvey Weinstein news broke out immediately after; that was the point. nothing to see here, folks. Move along...

Your comment makes it sound like the Harvey Weinstein story hit the next day. It wasn't immediate. It was the next weekend.

I lost a friend in the shooting... and I was just about to post a very similar thing until I saw this.... I’ve been checking daily....

Sorry for your loss

Thank you that means so much to me. I’m going to miss him...

It will be okay. One day answers will come but until then I guess all I can do is remember Bren for who he was, loving, giving and an amazing singer :)

Granted I’m not HUGE into country, his voice made it easy to listen too! :)

internet hug

Thanks for the positive vibes. :)

Did you go to the funeral? Was there one? Can you send us a link to the funeral notice from the newspaper?

Note that they use a mix of reality and fiction, it's quite likely there are funerals for actually dead people

Exactly!

Yeah. Aware. But....this thing stinks SO BAD that anything seems possible to me anymore.

I almost want to call you a dick but being able to think for yourself is a good thing... but seriously, there’s something behind it. But innocent people did die. I just don’t know why yet.... like everyone else.

I was filming out of state. But most of my friends did attend the funeral yes and I could likely have them send me a program. But asking for that right now would make me feel like a dick. Our group of friends drove down Las Vegas and blasted his music that he made in his home studio.

It shook our community. We were all too close and that’s why I answers....

He gave me my first set of pooka necklaces back in the day. I have memorial obituary, the personal family go fund me and my word that he’s no longer with us.

Cried for nights. I’m not sure if I’m allowed to post the obituary but this is where it was.....

http://m.legacy.com/dignity-memorial/obituary.aspx?n=Brennan-Stewart&amp;lc=1009&amp;pid=186861383&amp;uuid=8e9434d1-2ee6-4513-a265-f347c0d7efae

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/brennan-stewart-died-saving-his-girlfriend/825645641

(She opened up about it.... Friends have said he was going to purpose that night).

Does his girlfriend read here? Or believe in any of the conspiracies?

You know what, I don’t know. I doubt it. Nobody will talk anymore we are all scared. One of my other friends (I sent him the Laura Loomer link) and he didn’t wanna talk about it. So I really don’t know. He got mad in a way and said “spam.”

I just don’t know but that was his best friend so maybe he is just hurt?

OK. Thanks for the reply. I honestly have not made a judgment on this. People PROBABLY died, but there is so much obvious fuckery going on that I'm pursuing multiple WtF angles. Thanks again.

Me too! I don’t blame you. That’s why I didn’t call you a jackass or anything cause non of us are trying to be... I have learned to not let my emotions explode. You know though I’m interested if you know more? Idk, how can they fake with crisis actors and real death cause that’s not off the table in my head.

The people who I most respect on matters such as these---who don't come to r/conspiracy but actually have a background and history in such matters---tell me real people died. They won't tell me much more. Maybe they don't know.

For sure, nah, I honestly. I love it here I got a little defensive due to emotion and close to home but you what.... this world is messed up. And whatever fuckery is going on... I hope sorts out. But I almost lost hope.

I wonder why people don’t speak up more. Or why people act like sheep....

Some say religion, others say preprogrammed since birth by all the crap around us.

I question sandy hook... I saw a lot of proof with crisis moms and the kids too! But then again, I don’t want to be an ass and say no real victims.

I just don’t get the big big big picture of WHY?!

Sorry for your loss. By the way off topic... I was checking history to make sure you were real and if you are still looking for a quick fix for Crohns until you get Humira, Oral prednisone is a god send especially with regards to the illeum. Its not great for long term and can cause some bloating but i guarantee it will help.

Couldn't you have put this in a private message?

who cares?

Cause they didn't want to? Why did you post your smart ass comment? You felt like it. Free speech

Obviously there's free speech and I was just suggesting it, as it was a private personal medical thing they were talking about and I guess I felt like going through someone's post history to check if they are real, and stumbling across medical info, and then coming back to comment publicly about that in a different subreddit - I just thought it might have been nicer for them to have sent a private message, out of respect for the person.

Ah, now I get where you are coming from lol.

Hey thank you! I’ll def see if my doc can get me more haha. It actually had a pretty shit reaction and I broke out, puffed up to a “bad point,” not the normal “cushings.” Haha.

Oh big pharma. Make the herb illegal and the shit that kills you legal!

This might be a good candidate for a direct message...

Sorry for your loss. By the way off topic... I was checking history to make sure you were real and if you are still looking for a quick fix for Crohns until you get Humira, Oral prednisone is a god send especially with regards to the illeum. Its not great for long term and can cause some bloating but i guarantee it will help.

I'm so sorry :(

Yea wtf where are we supposed to find updates on this? Seems that google is even suppressing info. When I google "las vegas shooting update" the most recent articles don't show up under the "news" tab...

Google is not on our side. They're part of he problem. I use DuckDuckGo. It's less biased.

It's the normal news cycle at play - just a short pause before the next horror.

You know, I felt terrible saying it at the time, but when the Powerball got huge I had a plan. "Wait until a major wall to wall event like an attack, and cash the ticket then to minimize media exposure." That, and dress in full drag regalia, no matter who you are, because it is really hard to distinguish features under drag makeup.

Something didn't go according to plan.
This thing was meant to be focused on and milked until everything but paintball guns were banned.
Instead they threw Weinstein under the bus to draw focus away from it.

I think this was supposed to be like a 9/11 level event. I don't know really why I think that, it's a feeling I get and even though I am still a little dubious about 'predictive programming' I noticed Vegas/Vegas destruction being in a few movies/mainstream entertainment lately. The on that springs to mind right now is Blade Runner 2049.

the bombs at the airport fuel tanks failed to detonate.

now that you mention it...

It might be a good idea to have an independent investigation. Try to compile the best sources into a single post, and distill what we know into an easy-to-read format.

It would be nice to find a collection of RELEVANT info. Everything is spread out or duplicated in /r/conspiracy, and /r/lasvegasfalseflag is just a collection of everything including verified falsities. There's also this website, https://tenone2017.com/.

do we know what the caliber the guns were? someone was telling me they think alot or even all of the wounds are made-up (judging from pictures of people in the hospital for example) because the damage from a machine gun bullet is simply not there (the person is claiming).

I am really interested in the full list of what guns were used. They stated 20+ but so far I have only found listed 4 Daniel Defense DDM4's, Colt AR, Sig Sauer AR (those are .223/5.56), AK47 (7.62x39) and an AR10 (.308). That's 8 guns. They said 12 had bump stocks. What are the rest? What were those tripods used? Was it a mount for an actual machine gun?

If the common narrative is true, the caliber should have been a .223/5.56 round that is commonly found with AR platforms. Those are generally pretty small rounds. Here's a target pic for reference. This is where the "bump stock" truthiness needs to be explained, because if the rounds were fired out of an AR, they would probably need to be bump stock fired, which is not what the gunfire sounds like.

The gun sounds to me like something more along the lines of an m240, which would be using a larger 7.62mm round.

Either way, knowing the caliber (or caliberS) would be very useful information to figure out key pieces of this event.

wow good video, thanks!

You could never fire a 308 that consistent on auto or bump without real training.

neverforget

I’m still trying to wrap my head around why they haven’t released any surveillance videos of Paddocks movements before the shooting. That’s very strange..he should be on CCV all over that hotel.

I'm thinking it's because of the incoming lawsuits.

Good point, that makes sense. Thanks.

The already existing lawsuits?

Or is it the made-up lawsuits that might come someday and can be used in a moronic attempt to excuse the corrupt FBI's actions?

The latter, right?

You think there is a chance that there will be no lawsuits? The only people who could possibly pull this off are top men.

You think there is a chance that there will be no lawsuits?

Right: the made-up lawsuits that might come someday and can be used in a moronic attempt to excuse the corrupt FBI's actions? As I guessed.

There are already lawsuits filed

There are already lawsuits filed

Because people are gonna be asking who he's with.

Why do you think you have the right to see this footage? He's dead. If he was on the loose and wanted footage would be posted. They aren't gonna post the footage for 2% of the nmal everyday people that think they "deserve" it.

Personally, I think every American citizen has the right to see the footage to confirm the narrative and timeline. Not everyone can go through life with blinders on and believe everything everyone tells them. Some people need proof.

Also, I’d be willing to bet that more than 2% of the people would want to see this footage considering the impact it had on the nation, but ok.

I gave up because they have watered down the narrative so much that it's impossible to believe ANYTHING that comes from the police now. Unless there is some P.I. on the case or people actually in Vegas investigating, the story is done.

It was only the biggest mass shooting in American history so a few days is plenty of coverage. There are far more important stories like the bombshells that powerful men in Hollywood are pigs and women in Congress that wear sparkly cowboy hats are batshit crazy.

Is this supposed to be unusual? The newscycle moves quick. You get maybe a couple of days or weeks all to yourself in the news cycle before the next shiny thing moves it to the backburner.

Well if this was 15 years ago people would still be talking about hurricane Harvey and the Las Vegas shooting, but for the past few years tragedies come and go very quick

What're you expecting? Dude got bored and kill a bunch of people. There is no motive. There was no one else to investigate. There is nothing else left on this. I have no idea what else you could possibly want out of news coverage of this?

WHY ARE YOU ON THIS SUB

Why are you denying the experience of victims? Victims, people who were there and were shot at, lots of them, have said there were multiple shooters at multiple locations. You want to ignore all those eye witnesses? Why? Because the mainstream media and the government told you to? Have a think about how dangerous your way of thinking is to a free society.

Don't deny the experience of others, especially when there are so many of them. Don't blindly trust government. The United States of America are not immune to tyranny.

Yes.

I truly do not believe that they are some sort of experts simply because they were shot at.

There is absolutely zero footage of multiple shooters or anything to indicate that there wasn't a single shooter. There is no evidence that would indicate anyone other than Paddock was firing at the crowd. There are only people who were being shot at from yards away, panicked and failing to understand the situation they were in.

I have yet to personally see more than 10 people come forward to say there were multiple shooters. Let's be generous and say that 100 people claim to have seen a second shooter that night. That's 100 of the 22,000 people attending. That's .04545%.

Let's go with what you're saying, that somehow the people who were there are the only ones to be trusted, and disregard the opinions/conclusions of the experts, who have infinitely more access to the facts and evidence than us and go with the "100" surviving eye witnesses claiming multiple shooters.

There's literally 99.95% of these uber-witnesses who we can only trust because the experts lie to us that aren't saying there was multiple shooters

If you're just randomly believing people on the internet, why not believe me or one of the 21,900 people that were there.

I'm basing my belief there were multiple shooters on the footage from people who were 1.6 miles away down the strip, who were filming the place on lockdown saying they'd been fired upon there. They did not hear gunfire at Mandalay Bay, 1.6 miles away, and then hundreds of epople 1.6 miles away INSIDE another busy casino run for their lives from that gunfire. They film the area with all the people scattered about, they talk to a member of staff who confirms they were fired upon there.

Other witnesses 1.5-1.6 miles away say the same thing. The scanner audio from the night of the shooting says the same thing, with police officers confirming multiple shooters. An expert did a forensic audio analysis and proved there were two different guns at different positions. That's not just 'believing random people on the internet,' Way more than 100 people claim that. There were reams and reams of different social media posts from people saying that!

This is one I saved that compiled some of them, there are others and longer ones: https://imgur.com/a/SgerQ?

The thing that causes me to disbelieve the police and the news media the most about this, is the fact that they won't even address these other claims and these questions. They don't offer an explanation, they just don't talk about it, which is totally disrespectful and is bad journalism - you are supposed to present both sides of a story, and if there are multiple witnesses, the police scanner audio, analysis etc saying there were multiple shooters at many locations, then you address it and explain why that's not the case if it's not the case, in such a way that makes logical and scientific sense. They won't even go near it and that's because they want people like you to just accept what they say, because people like you give authority to journalists and the media and 'officials' over and above the testimony of your fellow human beings, even over and above what your eyes and ears tell you - what with the police confirming two shooters, at multiple locations, some of them THERE, with another shooter, over a mile away from Mandalay Bay.

Yet you say there is NO evidence to indicate anything else, which is a lie.

I posted this story in another sub that is usually all over the Vegas shooting. Not a single vote. Not a single comment.

Wow. So the shots came from Hooter's, too. This is a bombshell! No wonder they threw ol' Harvey under the bus. Whatever they're up to is dirty.

No bombshell. Because this story has been posted many times and explained. Triage was set up at hooters. What you see is triage for the victims. There are news reports and employee reports saying that.

Because this story has been posted many times and explained. Triage was set up at hooters. What you see is triage for the victims. There are news reports and employee reports saying that.

and tucker carlson. come on guys, maybe you don't like MSM and maybe you're not conservative but be fucking honest. tucker has been all over this one, calling this out and basically telling america that the government is lying to them since day 1 on this one. that's the fact.

I don't like that neo con scum. He'd let Israel burn the constitution if they told him it was a good idea

I mean... Probably not though, right?

He's not really a neo con but alright.

I don't think you remember the bush years huh

I wasn't watching him at that point

Lol then how can you act like you know what he is. This guy would support a war with Canada

It's a crappy news story. It's the same reason the hurricane fall out is no longer in the news, at least not out here in California. Being clean up and rebuilding is lame news when it comes to ratings. News moves on to the next story rather quickly and right now it's all about people shifting past the ashes of their homes in Santa Rosa.

In a sad commentary over all but large scale or even small scale shooting don't really stay in the news much anymore. There was kind of a blip about Vegas in regards to a local outdoor concert in Sacramento and how people showed up by the thousands. Yet is that really news? People move on rather quickly if they are not first hand involved in something.

Odds are we don't get an offical case report on Vegas for months. Personally the lack of leaks and info makes me think there is less to the story than many seem to think. Being if there was a lot of active focus on other angles to the case still going on we would get more leaks and info from average sort of folks as they got caught up in it.

It is a little strange we don't have any MGM hotel footage released. I did not think so at first being at that stage of the investigation they needed to keep everything under wraps. Yet now we are 3 weeks after the event. If the case is as the police are saying, rather open and shut one shooter etc then after 3weeks I would think footage of him walking in or moving "stuff" would not carry much investigative worth anymore. Then again if it's not a big news story anymore there is little pressure to release any info.

Mods should sticky a thread with all the best reddit threads about the case.

The silence on this is deafening.

Trump is pulling the wool over your eyes with his Trump tax reform and you guys are obsessed with non-existent conspiraces.

Why are you denying the experience of victims? Victims, people who were there and were shot at, lots of them, have said there were multiple shooters at multiple locations. You want to ignore all those eye witnesses? Why? Because the mainstream media and the government told you to? Have a think about how dangerous your way of thinking is to a free society. Don't deny the experience of others, especially when there are so many of them. Don't blindly trust government. The United States of America are not immune to tyranny.

People can´t think straight when they´re running for their lives or have been felled by bullets.

That's a pretty empty reason. So why would so many of them be saying the same thing? Clearly they must have all been under the impression that the bullets were coming from multiple directions, you don't just imagine that out of hysteria. It's suspicous that the government is pretty much acting like nothing happened, especially when they completely denied Isis involvement as soon as Isis claimed they did it. Smells fishy to me.

I've been watching and reading everything I can get my hands on as well. I think it's curious that we have the same handful of videos available, and hardly any new videos have surfaced since the first week of the shooting. Considering how many people were at the venue, as well as how many people are just constantly recording events like that these days, I would expect to see a lot more than just a handful of videos.

I imagine loads of people initially willingly gave up their footage to the FBI thinking they were helping. Lots of people told that sharing footage could impede the investigation I imagine. People also might be scared after that news about the 28 year old who shared her story of multiple shooters and then died shortly after - whether there was something sinister to that or not, many alt-media channels speculated that it was foul play, which could definitely make some people scared to share.

People could also be sitting on it, waiting to see what final official story shakes out, not wanting to give law enforcement any help with fabricating a story that matches all the footage.

Because its not a conspiracy lol

Why are you denying the experience of victims? Victims, people who were there and were shot at, lots of them, have said there were multiple shooters at multiple locations. You want to ignore all those eye witnesses? Why? Because the mainstream media and the government told you to? Have a think about how dangerous your way of thinking is to a free society. Don't deny the experience of others, especially when there are so many of them. Don't blindly trust government. The United States of America are not immune to tyranny.

lol

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how much has local news been covering it?

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I've been saying all along that it is a fake. There is no footage of the shooter firing from the building. Some of the "dead" people have been revealed to be crisis actors. This all stinks to high heaven.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Las+vegas+shooting+victims

I think it's time for people to realise that these things use a mixture of both fake and real, deliberately. One, to control the narrative using crisis actors and the scene, two to ensure there are enough people who know someone died to make those who cry 'it's fake' look like crazy and disrespectful, and to confuse the hell out of, and divide, the truth community. They are not beyond killing people.

what are you talking about? a google search bring up tons of main stream sites

This was literally posted today, fam: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/23/insider/reporting-on-las-vegas-pixel-by-pixel.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/23/insider/reporting-on-las-vegas-pixel-by-pixel.html

I just checked the major news sites and you're mostly right except this is on the front page of foxnews.

SHouldn't you organise some kind of protest or something (I say 'you' cos I'm not in the US)? Can't you organise and actually go stand outside a big mainstream media office with placards, live stream it all over the internet? Have several across the country, a big one in Vegas outside the police station or that coroner's office that's creepily 'on lockdown'? I feel like there must be so many scared people out there who saw what went down and don't understand why the media's dropped it and why the police lied. They need to know that tons of people KNOW and feel for them. If nothing else, do it for them!

can we start a new sub and devote it only to vegas??

There is one and everything relevant is cross posted there already. There's a bot in here pointing this out. /r/lasvegasfalseflag

I’m not expert, but people move on with their lives and just genuinely don’t care anymore. Plus, the Democrats, Republicans and the media are done pushing their agenda and have moved on to the next hot topic. It’s no conspiracy and it’ll happen again.

I claimed a day after this happened we were never going to know shit about the entie thing. People thought I was nuts.

I feel like we don't have any new information. We all believe there was some shady shit going on, but without proof of any of it, there's not much more we can go on. Journalists can ask questions and then get their car blown up 2 weeks later.

So tragic. I feel for these families and friends suffering from the loss of their loved ones. It's messed up when you try to get answers by searching for 'Las Vegas shooting why were crowd lights kept on' and all you find are posts about the dimming of the strip lights in remembrance the day after. So they kept the lights on while people were being shot to death but when people were barely holding onto life and random amazing people were trying to help them LONG AFTER the shooting stopped and only THEN the lights turn off?!

Now the people trying to help the ones that are barely holding on can't even seen the people they are helping let along find others that may be injured. It makes no sense.

To hear that only a small percentage are still covering this story or trying to find answers is heartbreaking.

That´s because it was all a hologram projected from drones flying over the area.

Post a summary of the events on Facebook and call out the inconsistencies. I did that, now knowing what the reception would be like, but it turns out that a lot of people agree that it isn't adding up. Also it will spark interest for some people who haven't been following it. As long as people keep talking about it, it can't disappear. Plus, new vid evidence is coming out on YouTube regularly and I think the number of people who are aware of the cover-up are growing

Honestly... I don't think it was an inside job. I think was another Columbine-esque shooting. Just a malevolent human being who despises life to the point where simply killing himself isn't enough. He's got to take a whole bunch of people with him. I truly believe we're dealing with a more Eric Harris, type of character than an MK Ultra tinfoil hatter. But that's my opinion.

Honestly, someone has got to be pulling the strings. Whether its radical Islam, cars and trucks ramming into crowds, or mass shootings, in all of these situations, more often than not there are some ulterior consequences to these events. Political, ideological, or religious. That's what terrorism is.

And then you have these kinds of events.. the kind where the media goes silent. Nobody asks why or who or what, not CNN, not the New York Times, not even Fox. They focus on other sides of the story. More sensationalist stories.

Where are all the reporters then? Why is nobody doing their jobs and asking questions, following leads, following the money?

I mean, they have the resources to do it, as all the major news networks keep getting more money from all the pharmaceutical companies pushing their drugs on the American people. The newspapers get their ad revenue from all the clicks on their sensationalist, sob, phony stories following these events. But nobody finds anything.

It's almost like someone very high up is pulling the strings on how the media handles it. Someone calling the shots, distracting and suggesting false leads, misdirecting the whole investigation until the entire thing devolves into the type of chaos they can milk for more ad revenue.

I think there is something more than just what the media is reporting. But, I am a firm believer in Occam's razor. The simplest explanation is almost always correct. And so my belief is that there were others who aided the shooter (I avoid naming murders, fuck making killers into celebrities) and maybe a conspiracy, but most likely it's not going to be anything as wild as some people fantasize.

I find it extremely odd that the media coverage dropped off a cliff like it did. Following suit with my general simplest is most correct approach that means that the truth is not media friendly or doesn't Matt their initial narrative. Interested to see how this plays out. Occam's razor is almost leading to conspiracy theory here

The fact that reporters are not allowed to ask all these people questions is enough to make it a real conspiracy. People like the FBI and others are covering it up before their cover story was blown when others recorded a second shooter.

Its that simple.

Was the man that was found dead in his room, did the police bag his hands? Did they test for gun powder residue? Was there gun powder residue found?

Of the weapons found in the room, had any been recently fired? Which ones were they? Were they Automatic or semi automatic with bump stock devices? Can you give us a list? Were the guns fingerprinted? Did all the fingerprints match the dead man in the room?

Were the bullets found at the scene and removed from victims saved or thrown away? If saved have they been matched to the fired weapons found in the room? Did they all match?

And so it goes ....

Why does this seem hard for this police department to answer these questions?

Because tge police NEVER answer the shit to the general public

So

1. ISIS claims responsibility DAY 1. A: FBI says absolutely not on day 1 without any further motive, evidence or proof that ISIS is not involved.

2. Eyewitnesses who saw dead bodies all around them say there were multiple shooters from many different places. A: not reliable, echos etc

3. Videos show both visual and audio clues that point to multiple shooters and of guns not found in Paddock's room A: can't prove on a video and Campos says it was just one shooter down the hall.

4. People at Hooters, Belagio, Topicana all post eyewitness video reports of other victims and evidence of shootings there. A: there are no security videos released so it didn't happened.

5. Vegas has 500,000 full time 24/7/365 surveilance cameras, some of which can depict 4k resolution from a mile away with no footage released by any casino of anything that happened that night anywhere. A: It's an "ongoing investigation"

And the list could go on to 50 items at least but I'm too sick and tired of this coverup to continue tonight.

You know what. We should Boycott Vegas until we know what happened and that its actually safe to go there again.

Maybe that's why the MSM outed Harvey Weinstein, to change the subject. I'm mostly kidding...

I do the same thing. I get off working my ass off from doing construction, and do google searches to see ANY kind of update on the most massive shooting in our history, and fucking nothing. I'm disgusted by the lack of information coming out about this. How much info was given out about the Pulse shooter? You know the one who took hostages in a bathroom, and waited until the last minute to shoot himself... he didn't have 23 guns in the room with him with thousands of rounds of ammo left, and an unarmed security guard hiding out in a hallway... fucking joke.

He killed himself by shooting himself through the heart?????? Who does that?

Because you asked... http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/20/sports/football/20duerson.html

LoL... Dude, I know people have done that through out history. I wasn't asking for proof of somebody doing that. It's sort of like a rhetorical question, I wasn't asking for an answer... it's a "who in the fuck shoots themselves in the heart, and then in the head... ".

LoL, never amazed at how some people just can't actually understand what they read.

LoL, never amazed at how some people just can't actually understand what they read.

I'm guessing you didn't read the article? There are reasons people do that... I get that it goes against your argument.

If you don't want an answer don't ask the question. Ret-conning it as "rhetorical" just makes you look ignorant, like you thought there wasn't an answer and are now surprised that there was.

I didn't post the link to attack you, it's difficult to pick up the tone of your voice through text. Sorry I misunderstood - but now I think you're an arrogant prick who doesn't care about the truth and would rather push your agenda than have a productive conversation.

Do you know what they call people like that in this sub?

I would love for you to prove me wrong.

Dude.... I"M NOT ASKING FOR AN ANSWER, I KNOW WHY PEOPLE DO IT. Christ, I just spelled it out for you, this is the 3rd time now. Fuck. Hey man, why do people shoot themselves in the heart????

Because they think something is wrong with their brains :-)

Seriously man, I didn't post the link to start an argument. This got off on the wrong foot. Honestly, when I read your comment was the first I had heard about this (in this instance). It reminded me of similar situations I had heard of. I thought perhaps you might not have known, and wanted to share potentially relevant info. Sorry I misunderstood. I really am, you shouldn't have needed to explain yourself 3 times - fair point. I hear ya.

Here, as a gesture of good faith I'll start the ball rolling.

"Junior Seau, 43, who was considered one of the best players of his generation, shot himself in the chest with a revolver in the bedroom of his home in San Diego. In February 2011 former Chicago Bears player Dave Duerson also shot himself in the chest, and left a note saying he wanted his brain examined by scientists."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/americanfootball/9244026/Third-NFL-player-in-a-year-Junior-Seau-commits-suicide.html

No mystery why these dudes did it. They talked to doctors, reported problems, left a note.

A) Shooter was a hopeless loner who had nobody to talk to about his problems and didn't care to explain why he did it. Deep down though he wanted someone to examine his brain? Or maybe he just didn't know shit about anatomy.

B) Some sort of ritualistic shit where he couldn't get to the mothership without proving he was heartless or some other nonsense paranoid delusion of his.

C) Someone wanted it to look like one of the above. And/or they wanted to be 100% sure he couldn't be revived?

D) TLA heart/mind control device that had to be destroyed. Can't let people find out that shit exists.

A seems problematic because of the girlfriend. She would almost certainly have known something was up. Especially given the transfer. Maybe he wanted to "protect" her so didn't say anything, but then the standard heart shot MO doesn't hold up very well unless he did want her to know but only after. All this still ignoring the fact that he had money, did he not have any doctors he saw? Whitman reported problems to his doctors.

B seems like the current official narrative but we aren't here to discuss that. Could be true, very unsatisfying. Would expect a "beautiful mind" style paranoimap, notebooks, etc. Would make more sense with that type of evidence.

C I'll leave this for other people.

D I think we all have to submit to our lizard overlords if this is true, what the fuck else could we do?

Please poke holes in the theories.

nope, we're on the same page man. He's the one youtuber I've been following since this happened. He seems to actually be making an effort to figure things out. He went to Vegas. He's conducted interviews, he seems logical. He doesn't believe, and neither do I, in this "this was all crisis actors" type of narrative some people believe. Some people believe every damn thing that takes place is crisis actors for some reason.

This shit investigation, has made me fully believe in false flags. Either the government (and when I say government, that doesn't mean Trump signs off on the shit, government agencies with agenda's IE the FBI getting funds) is actually doing these acts, or they are able to find nut jobs, and provide them the tools and motivation to pull them off.

I get pissed off reading people posting about crisis actors, or some other bullshit about there being no victims. How on Earth can someone be so naive, because people are burning down buildings and brandishing pitchforks, we jump to the conclusion, no one got hurt? It takes away the magnitude of what actually happened, it's as if they believe no bad things happen, that people just plopped down, opened a few ketchup packets, and just laid dead still for hours, until they were hauled off in body bags... Fucking ignorant idiots. This whole thing makes no sense, and there's WAY more than meets the eye, but crisis actors is a fool's way out to actually doing some kind of investigative work on their own.

The silence is deafoning

I drove by earlier today. The concert area is still taped off, with officers preventing anyonyone from getting near it.

Smells like an FBI entrapment scam gone sour.

No one died.

Wtf lol

Yeah, that makes total sense. Thanks for solving. Wtf ever

Do you think Sandy Hook was a real shooting too? That's the easiest way to establish that you don't know what you're talking about.

Being that I don't know anyone that was there I can't say either way. I will say that it is one of the most odd incidents I have ever seen.

This is a classic cointel tactic to discredit questions of merit surrounding the event.

You are welcome to prove real shots were fired, or that anyone died, any time, but I am 100% sure you cannot even come close.

There's more going on. Otherwise we'd be hearing all about it. But what? Why?

Because it is Vegas....

What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas

Didn't realize that how strict that motto was.

Idk about that but they damn sure know how to keep things quiet. Does anyone remember the story about the UPS guy that was smuggling drugs through the Vegas airport?

Hadn't heard about that but based on a half assed attempt to look it up - seems like it's common in a lot of places.

Holy shit. I just tried to look it up...I had no idea just how common that shit is. I didn't find it but I will ask my friend for the guys name. I worked at that airport off and on for a while.

Correct. The news can only report and talk about the information from the press conference. Since its was minimal, there isn't too much to talk about. So they moved on until we get any new information is released. I'm sure once they get something solid that inst a conspiracy all networks will broadcast it.

64 years old, can withstand almost 10 minutes of continuous simulated automatic gun fire. That one will always get me.

There were gaps in between

Elaborate

Lapse in gunfire...it wasn't constant gunfire. There were gaps in between vollies..

What lapse? 30 + seconds at best seems pretty constant..

Some were longer than a minute. Idk why people assume that all 64 yr old men are weak

40 seconds in between and a few 1min.30 sec pauses.

There is literally a thread 8 posts down from the NYT about the Las Vegas Shooter Timeline....

The narrative is falling apart.

Theyve even shutup about the gun bans, stocks, mags etc.

Las Vegas local here. I was talking about this with my daughter a few days ago. No one will ever know what happened. It is impossible to explain the machine that is "Vegas" even if you are part of it. There are a few things I can recall happening (shootings in casinos, suspicious packages left around) that no one knew about outside of those directly involved.

One example, shooting at Planet Hollywood, on casino floor, that most floor supervisors (pit bosses) didn't even know about. (A few years ago, not 10/1.)

Source: have worked at on Strip properties.

Just like no one ever dies at Disneyland. /s

I have been trying to tell people that Vegas does not play by the same rules as everyone else. If that town wants something kept quite...it will be. This shooting wasn't a hoax...there is no way anyone in that town would go along with that set up.

Yup. 3 days later no one was talking about it, not because we don't care, because we know that we will never know.

I had one person post on Facebook about someone she knew who got hurt, just one, like really? Everyone lined up to give blood and we all pitched in whatever we could do to help. As soon as needs were met it was "Thank you everyone for your help." FULL STOP.

The man who went on Ellen? He had to. MGM (corp) is a sponsor of her show.

We know how it is and we know how to act.

"Snap out of it. Back to work. Business as usual. Keep your mouth shut."

We love our city and we protect it, it's just not to be seen.

I'm guessing it's still run by the mob, huh?

Mm. We say "Of course not!"

Not in the old sense, anyway.

Part of me wishes I were wrong but another is thankful I am not. I've lived in notable cities but none as long as here. Even with the tragedy of 10/1 and average everyday events I have never felt a sense of safety like I do here.

The Las Vegas Review Journal is owned by Sheldon Adelson.

This was one story I hoped wouldn't dissapear or get covered by other stories.

What else is there to report? Motive? Not everything has to have a motive. You keep talking about video, why would the casino or police release the tapes, what purpose does it serve? You're trying to make something out of nothing.

The media labelled the guy "mentally unstable" and called it a day. Far as they are concerned it's done, white man shot some people, what more do you need to know? Doesn't help that people have gone nuts over this Hollywood stuff (something most people probably suspected was going on anyway so I don't know why people are acting so shocked).

You aren't allowed to question the narritive out of respect for the victims.

Every time some shit like this happens, "You can't question the narrative, you are disrespecting the victims"

Insane. People are just brainwashed.

Questioning the narrative is fine. But when you go around swearing there were no victims to the people who lost someone... That is disrespectful. Esp when you are only basing it on your own personal opinion with no facts to back it.

there are no facts when everything is told to you through a filter of bureaucracy.

Not facts by the media. Facts because you went and got them for yourself.

issue is the facts are controlled by the police.

If they are compromised, and it's well known that they are, then the facts are compromised.

I didn't suggest that you get facts from the police or the media...what I said was for you to go find out for yourself if people died or not.

Yeah they allow random people to go to crime scenes and rifle though the dead bodies and autopsy reports.

Are you serious? lol.

If they say people died, and the coroner says people died, I have to accept it.

Can you buy out some cops and a coroner? Of course you can.

I didn't suggest you do either of those things either. Usually when gathering facts you might want to go straight to the source. If you aren't willing to approach a victim or their family to see...then you shouldn't be able to say no one died because you don't know that for certain.

That works both ways. Are you willing to approach a victim or their family? No you don't have to, you can go on arguing your side that they did die without having to do so, but to disprove the official storyline, I have to go and do that.

You see where I'm coming from?

I'm not saying no one died btw. Just using it to prove a point.

Much easier to go along than to fight the current. Your standard of proof is much lower than mine.

Um. I don't have to approach a victim or their families. I happen to know someone who works in an ICU unit in Vegas. I know for a fact people died and were injured. I found a source for information and anyone that wants that wants to claim anything with certainty needs to do the same.

Again, im just using this as a example. You may know someone who told you this, but how do I know you aren't lying? Prove it. Where is your proof?

I'm supposed to take your word?

You could be a shill.

The person you know could be lying to you.

You don't have to take my word. I don't care. I know my friends wouldn't lie about something so serious. No one has to prove anything to you. If you don't believe something..prove it to yourself. You are sadly mistaken if you think anyone is going to parade their grief to make a believer out of you or anyone else.

You started this talking about how people make statements without proof.

So you don't have to prove your statements, but other people do?

See how that's back asswards?

Last time I checked I wasn't claiming people didn't die. Which is what this whole convo was about. I said if you are going to claim people didn't die and you claim it as fact then you may to have a basis for that. I didn't say prove it to me. Prove it to yourself instead of assuming. One thing to be wrong...but to be loud and wrong shows your ignorance. If you are going to claim families are lying have proof to back it.

Where is your proof?

Someone told you.

The media said so.

See the issue? I'm not saying people didn't die, but I am saying that the line of proof for that is corrupted.

I'm telling you that if you are going to make a claim that people didn't lose their loved one then you better make sure you are right. Most everyone knows that people died. You doubt it...proof is on you.

But why do they know that? Because they were told. Just like they were told WTC7 collapsed due to fire damage. And that a 90 pound autist shot a school full of kids with half his body weight in weapons and ammunition. And that JFK was killed by an unaided lone gunman.

Don't believe the official story.

I don't buy the story but I know people died in Vegas and on 911. Can't speak on any other event

It works though, doesn't it...

They killed it. Too many people were starting to see where the dots don't connect.

What was the Phoenix trip that came to light?

I’m starting to see evidence of outright hoax.

Well you see he appeared on Ellen so its case closed, everyone go home.

Wounded flag at bended knee is supposed to be the topic! Deflated patriot boners are more important. /s

If you're going to dig into the LV false flag remember why you're doing it. It's not for me or for you it's for the normies/asleep people. (WTF else you call them?) The rest of us who might have a clue realize this attack is false flagy from what we've gatthered.

If you dig, remember you know nothing. Don't try to convince yourself of anything. The truth will not have to so many odd questions with no reasonable answers (unless you understand a very powerful, well organized, band of cliques rule the world and will pull shit off like this. See: JFK, OKC, 911)

Remember not to be biased ever. Remember to take a break because seriously, fuck conspiracys (Any motherfucker tell you conspiracy theorists want to believe in that shit because its "its entertaining" you stare them down like they're a tucking idiot. This shit is grimm ...) so take a break from digging into conspiracys... It can and will drain you of a lot...

You do know how the "News" works right? It reports on things that are "New". The Vegas shooting is over 3 weeks old now and no longer "New". This is why the MSM and most smaller news stations are no longer reporting on it. There us nothing new at this time. When something new happens/develops ten it will be in tHE NEWS again.

" child raised with the knowledge of their parent(s) involved in criminal activity either go on to imitate that behavior or rebel against it"

The thing is, is Stephen Paddock didn't know his father was a criminal when he was a child. His mother told the kids that their father was killed/dead. Paddock as a kid/teen didn't know his dad was wanted by the FBI. They didn't find this out till their mother told tem when they were well into their adult years

So first the theory was the point of LV was to make gun control strickter but now people complaining it is not on mass media news. If it was about gun control etc etc wouldn't it be forced onto the news as much as possible so that peoplle would be on the side of gun control?

I have been saying and thinking the same thing. It has officially died in not only the MSM, but now the alternative media seems to be moving on.

I'll preface that I'm not generally a conspiracy theory believer. I enjoy this sub, but honestly consider maybe half or more of what I read as complete nonsense. I don't downvote or anything, respectfully let them have their opinions without jumping in telling them why I think they're crazy (if not also entertaining at times)

But I am open minded enough to know there is always more to the story.

I cannot understand how in the world the Vegas shooting has disappeared so completely from the news. Weeks later there are only more questions than answers. This was one of the worst crimes in US history and it's already a distant memory.

And with minimal media coverage and public scrutiny, the accountability for answers is effectively zero.

It's truly a shame and I'll upvote posts like this as my small contribution to wanting answers.

This might sound like a crazy conspiracy theory but WHAT IF, theres nothing to it? He actually committed the shooting cause he snapped

When there is no trial, LE release the reports, autopsies and investigation notes. Only occasionally is sensitive material withheld. How do you not know this. See Colombine

He was a Bernie supporter who killed white rednecks. They won’t let that out.

We dont need them to prove what happened! Just keep working on it people!

i agree to an extent. I certainly think most/all people in front of a camera were actors. i still havent seen footage or a good picture of someone being shot or a bullet wound. just lots of footage where this is assumed. "dead" bodies on the ground with no wounds in all the footage I have seen. And to the people claiming they had friends die, etc. you do realise this is not an argument you can make as this cannot be verified.

DAE like harassing the parent's of dead children in Sandy Hook? My opinions don't matter though they shouldn't be offended.

How do you explain the video of the guy checking wounded and dead people. Then the lights go out at the concert. After the shooting is over.

I think this was supposed to be like a 9/11 level event. I don't know really why I think that, it's a feeling I get and even though I am still a little dubious about 'predictive programming' I noticed Vegas/Vegas destruction being in a few movies/mainstream entertainment lately. The on that springs to mind right now is Blade Runner 2049.

now that you mention it...

Knee jerk reaction? I'm just sick of people injecting politics into subjects where there is none, where there's no reason to. I'm sure I'm not alone.

Doesn't this contradict Jesus's timeline on Ellen

Laura’s video that you asked to be notified on? Lol

Every comment I've seen you post is solid gold. Replying to try and get some visibility on some truth.

One helluva job putting all that together. Thanks for posting this link.

No use of the bus stop video which captures the suicide shots. Then they edit out about 30 minutes of dead time to make it look like the police breached the door right after the end of the shooting.

That was my first ever post. I lost my Reddit virginity over Vegas. That's how important it is.

You think the mob still "runs" vegas? What do u mean by this? How are they "running" vegas in 2017?

You are right. Everything you said is definitely possible and all it would take is some video footage from the hotel to clear things up. The fact that there hasn't been any footage released is what fuels the conspiracy theories from folks... Myself included.

Did they do anything in this direction? Or is it like Obama taking our gun?

To me the real conspiracy here is the disgusting ability of the NRA to influence legislation.

You are so disconnected from the natural world, it's disgusting. I suppose the real tragedy is that you bred. And now your kids have little chance at understanding, given their father's one dimensional ignorance.

Ya same here my clock in my car is 7 minutes fast and I usually forget that it's fast so it's a good way to not be late 4 work lol