War on Drugs 2.0 starting tonight?
76 2017-10-26 by manlaw6
Trump is holding a televised press conference tonight to declare a national state of emergency on the opiod crisis in America. Jeff Sessions has already promised stricter drug laws and even went as far as comparing marijuana usage to opiate usage.
It's no secret the private prison industry has cozied up to Trump, both of them have plenty of money to exchange if prisons are profiting. An example from today's headlines: http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/357282-private-prison-company-moves-annual-conference-to-trump-golf-course
So basically, it looks like War on Drugs 2.0 may be starting up--with stricter drug laws, sentencing, and more nonviolent people going to prison for trying to medicate through their shitty lives.
Thoughts?
51 comments
1 stormstatic 2017-10-26
the new album is great
1 craftyanasty 2017-10-26
I thought that band was rod Stewart when I first heard them.
1 Lawlington 2017-10-26
I hope that this "war" on drugs is unlike the previous ones, wherein the government attacks those creating them and pushing them on people, instead of the folks who are buying said drugs for legitimate purposes, and wind up getting addicted due to nature of opiates.
1 IntellisaurDinoAlien 2017-10-26
You really are a trusting soul, sadly that's not how any of this works.
1 Lawlington 2017-10-26
Yeah, but it can't hurt to hold onto a thread of hope. Unfortunately, my cynicism doesn't allow me to profess my undying love and support of Trump (he's fucked up quite a lot), but he has also done a lot of good since he's been in office. At this point, I feel like the obvious result of this is the continuation and escalation of current DEA tactics, but if Trump really wanted to send a fuck you to the establishment he'd start with big Pharma.
1 [deleted] 2017-10-26
[removed]
1 Lawlington 2017-10-26
I hate the entire war on drugs man. Such a waste of resources if you look at Portugal as an example.
1 recovThrowAway 2017-10-26
such a waste of resources if you look at people in jail and sick because its unaffordable and illegal.
1 KnockingNeo 2017-10-26
At least there seems to be more reporting about that. But this could be a way to divert attention from the dea, doctors, pharma reps, and private prison system...
1 manlaw6 2017-10-26
Now I've heard the theory that the government allows more drugs into the public in times of dissent--like LSD during the Vietnam protests. Then the government can villainize drug users and create criminal and public backlash against protestors/drug users.
Cynically, everyone working together wins. Dealers get to deal, government gets to jail dissent, and the private prisons profit.
1 craftyanasty 2017-10-26
Gotta be kept in business somehow
1 Suicide_Necktie 2017-10-26
"We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities," Ehrlichman said. "We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."
John Ehrlichman, Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs under President Richard Nixon
1 treeslooklikelamb 2017-10-26
If more people did Lsd in this day and age, hooo boy the world would be rocked
1 schlamboozle 2017-10-26
If GEO is moving their conference to a trump gold course you can be assured that they aren't going to be going after the pushers. It will be the everyday users that fill those cells. More than likely the users can't afford to stay out of prison while the creators and pusherman can.
1 DoEyeNoU 2017-10-26
And there will be no money in budgets available for additional public defender staffing, of course.
1 KnockingNeo 2017-10-26
Think you said it...
1 peats420 2017-10-26
Take down big pharma and we would have less of an opioid crisis.
1 BakingTheCookiesRigh 2017-10-26
How do you stop the puppet masters?
1 snowmandan 2017-10-26
Shine a light on them
1 BakingTheCookiesRigh 2017-10-26
That's been happening in spades and still nothing much happens. I guess some people are starting to focus on the drug companies and their executives... But look at the US government right now. It's laden with cronyism and blatant corruption... The FDA, the FCC, the DEA, etc
1 Feedmebrainfood 2017-10-26
They will just act like the victims are the enemy and ramp up inmate population in private prisons. I'd love to hope in a different approach but this MO works. Its why stocks in private prisons and student loan debts are rising and rising.
1 Mr_Quagmire 2017-10-26
Legalizing marijuana would help on both of those accounts.
1 cm18 2017-10-26
I don't think big pharma is making that much on opiates. There's no patent on them and any pharma with licensing can create them.
Anyhow, the real issue is why people are "addicted".
Everything We Think We Know About Addiction Is Wrong
1 THX_1169 2017-10-26
I feel like this "opioid epidemic" is just them gearing up to keep the war on drugs going after marijuana is decriminalized federally, which will basically have to happen after the 2020 election cycle, when over half the country legalizes recreational.
1 haveyouseenmymarble 2017-10-26
There are actually thousands of deaths connected to the abuse of prescription opioids, while there are none that could ever be attributed to Cannabis consumption. While I don't think that prosecution of users is in any way helpful, I do think it's an issue that ought to be addressed federally. Rescheduling cannabis into a class that actually is scientifically justifiable (which would automatically decriminalise it), as well as prescribing things under medical guidance that demonstrably help to cure opioid addiction (like Kratom, weed too to some degree, or certain psychedelics like psilocybin or MDMA) would go a tremendous way into solving the problem.
Of course, I have a hard time imagining that this could happen anytime soon, as it would make US presence in Afghanistan and other places largely obsolete (no more poppy farm production), and it would undercut the majority of the black budget. That's not even mentioning the hissy-fit the pharma lobby would throw if any of the steps above were to be taken.
1 Major-Freedom 2017-10-26
Not a chance. They know they cannot enforce a ban on marijuana. They are just pandering to their ignorant anti-drug voter base.
1 orionquest2016 2017-10-26
Just defund the DEA and that column of the CIA, problem solved. Check out Dope, Inc if you haven't.
1 RMFN 2017-10-26
Time for the degenerate drug addicts to pay. We will run them out of their jazz cafe. We will make them fear the night. Because the night is ours.
In Christ thy name, I ask the please jail the morally weak!
1 kingofthemonsters 2017-10-26
Lol nice
1 RMFN 2017-10-26
You get it :)
1 DoEyeNoU 2017-10-26
Oh shit, I read that in his voice
1 RMFN 2017-10-26
Whose voice? Mine? Because I wrote that..
1 DoEyeNoU 2017-10-26
No, I read it in Sessions' voice. Perfectly.
1 orionquest2016 2017-10-26
Dope, Inc.
1 httr_barbarian 2017-10-26
Jeff Sessions and anyone else whom would keep Marijuana listed as a schedule I drug ARE NOT HELPING solve ANY DRUG problems.
1 GMPollock24 2017-10-26
Are there any studies available that detail how stricter drug laws creates more criminals?
1 TheStrangeTamer 2017-10-26
Create a bunch of legal addicts and then take away their supply and watch the fun.
1 Ryugar 2017-10-26
Its already started.... from 2016 they sent warnings to doctors to cut back on giving opiates or benzos to stop overprescription. Pharmacies are now linked too and let doctors know when patients get same drugs from multiple doctors. They will prob start giving harsher penalties or more strict limits now.
People will def flip out, we will see a lot more cranky people with endless complaints. We need it tho... its why I always thought "legalize everything" was a silly idea, addiction is an easy trap to fall into.
1 Anonobotics 2017-10-26
But they have this new drug that helps you get over the opiods.....But it's also addictive.....and you don't get high.
1 recovThrowAway 2017-10-26
bullshit. I spent years struggling to get off subs. its just as bad. its heroin if heroin didn't get you high. of course it sates the cravings. it just only acts on the parts it has to.
its bullshit is what it is.
1 mikellerseviltwin 2017-10-26
Sessions is aware that opiods are Legal fucking drugs, right?
1 Gaddafi_Was_Right 2017-10-26
I think he is going to use this as a reason to give Venezuela some democracy.
1 peats420 2017-10-26
I agree. Taking down big pharma won’t be easy but they are the problem. Legalizing cannabis could help millions of people. Not only medicinally, using the hemp would help with the economy and environment.
1 MuchoLoco 2017-10-26
As someone who has taken methadone twice and smoked millions of blunts, no mr jeff sessions, opioids and marijuana are nowhere near the same
1 DirtyDon_ 2017-10-26
We're fucked.
1 cm18 2017-10-26
Prediction: The new "war on drugs" will be to target legitimate opiod use in favor of reduced prescriptions. This will force those who legitimately use opiates for pain to seek the drugs in illegal markets and drive up the price and demand of illegal opiates. Existing opiate substitutes like kratom will also be targeted to funnel people into illegal opiate use.
In short, its a power/money grab for those controlling the illegal drug market.
1 recovThrowAway 2017-10-26
the more the supply is reduced, the more they will watch crime rise to unimaginable levels.
if they wanted to reduce crime they'd cut the cost into a third of its price now.
price goes up and supply isn't totally eliminated -- and your going to have more muggings, robbings, break ins and other crimes than ever.
1 quisquiliae_pandam 2017-10-26
”The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”
-John Ehrlichman Advisor to President Nixon
Same old shit, different day. A desperate, greedy politician throwing the most vulnerable Americans under the bus in an unscrupulous attempt at maintaining power. Hopefully this time the people are more aware to Bone-spur-bozo’s bag of Nixon tricks.
1 Broccoli-N-Cheese 2017-10-26
They want to get rid of paper money so they can have complete control over everyone and use drug/crime as an excuse to keep us "safe"... watch the signs, it's coming..
1 Major-Freedom 2017-10-26
Please explain in detail what the hell "copying up with" means.
I can be accused of copying up with rapists if I happen to sit beside them in the subway.
Does merely meeting with Trump imply some sort of support is going the other way? What was discussed?
Also, there is no such thing as private prisons in the country. Every so called private prison is actually 100% funded by taxes, is 100% regulated by the state, they have nominally private owners who must pay and obey.
1 manlaw6 2017-10-26
By cozying up I mean heavily donating to his campaign. Now they're spending their money at his golf properties.
1 omenofdread 2017-10-26
Get out of Afghanistan, remove the off-the-budget funding mechanisms, and start treating this as a health issue versus a criminal one. This "opioid epidemic" vanishes.
Just picture Reagan telling kids to "just say no" while a crack epidemic is melting urban areas all over America. Freeway Ricky Ross had to get that supply from somewhere.
History is repeating itself.