Impressive, Most Impressive!

This is why I love this group. Nice work...

Why? None of this is based in fact, its all speculation. Bill Gates owns an equal sized stake in the 4 Seasons as the Saudi prince who was not in Mandalay Bay on that night. Right there this house of cards the OP built comes crashing down. This sub has such a hard time accepting that an actual white dude did this.

"This sub has such a hard time accepting that an actual white dude did this."

Oh, yeah, I forgot everyone on r/conspiracy is racist, including any African-American, Latino-American and Asian Americans conspiracy theorists. We all believe that white people never do wrong. Even, all those .1% white people are fine.

/s

I didn't say the sub was racist, if thats how you read it then that assumption is on you. I'm saying that the subs nonstop search for a way to make this dude not the shooter and that somehow a brown person did it, thats fucking annoying.

People on this subReddit are concerned about the steaming pile of shit that the Las Vegas story is. The FBI is clearly not telling the truth.

On the other hand, about the shooting in Texas, do you think anyone on this subReddit is going to claim that a Mexican did the shooting. No fucking way, because the evidence in the Texas shooting is very clear, however the Las Vegas shooting is a bunch of bullshit.

Maybe people think that on /pol or 4-Chan, fewer people thinking that here.

Paddock was doing something wrong. Whether he did some of the shooting or just supplied guns, he is not innocent.

But if he was some kind of Superman genius with incredible stamina and intellect for his age, why did he waste energy and take the risk of bringing in way more guns than he would ever need. Bulletin clips are smaller than guns. Any shooter knows that more clips equals a higher body count. Did he think all 23 guns would jam? Fuck no.

What are you talking about? How do you know that the crown Prince was not in Vegas?

Forming an educated narrative based on available information is not unfounded speculation. Not saying this is gospel, but this is an interesting narrative that makes more sense than the offical story.

Based on your last sentence, you do not have the capacity to form an independent idea. This sub has a great number of critical thinkers that are only focused on finding truth, not supporting bias such as yourself.

Not saying this is gospel, but this is an interesting narrative that makes more sense than the offical story

How though? Because you say so? Because you drew lines on a board that have no verification. If anything, your story is as plausible as the official narrative so if you dont believe that your concocted story has no basis either

Where is your verification? Oh that's right it was just a crazy white guy, because that's what they told you. The one thing that is certain is that the offical "old white guy" narrative is either severely flawed or a lie. How could you argue for the offical story when the officals themselves have had to make so many significant revisions to the straight forward conclusion you insist is correct?

I question your motives for your discourse or you may be of the simplest minded because even the uninitiated can see Vegas is not what you or they say it is.

Then show me concrete evidence. Most of what gets posted here is just some random dumbass on YouTube or jewsareevil.blogspot.ru

Fair enough, I'll shoot you some info later.

It also has a large amount of people who no matter what, will believe the official narrative without any question and shoot down anyone who questions it. I agree the post was all speculation (with clear connections to facts in the case) but you quickly write off the fact that the Saudi's had nothing to do with it purely on your own completely move past the obvious connections that should be question. Not sure why race got brought in to this at all but let’s just acknowledge that a white male was involved and implicated as the guy responsible. That doesn't make all white dudes bad or mean that people would have a hard time accepting it. I'm a white male and I'm ashamed of where our country is currently but Vegas doesn’t have anything to do with race and the simple fact that you'd make that statement means you inherently are a racist. You know what? That is your choice and it doesn't really matter to me and I respect you as a human being in spite of it. The only things that do matter are the victims and their families. They deserve to know what happened and race has not one thing to do with it.

Real, honest, question... Do you really believe you could look the victim’s family members in the eye and tell them the official report is correct and 100% accurate? There is no house of cards; there is just OP’s explanation of the timeline with clear connections in the argument. If Bill Gates stood as much to gain or lose as the Saudi's then I would at least take a look in his direction to see if there was a connection. Not to mention you also just had another potential assassination attempt thwarted this week.

Since you only deal in facts lets address some. No speculation at all. What facts have the authorities given us? Stephen Paddock(white male since you are fascinated with that) broke a window rained fire down on concert goers and then shot himself. Now through the facts, such as unbiased third party video footage we've come to find out there were two smaller caliber shots (I guess he missed the first time) that roughly line up with the official timeline of him shooting himself; subject to change. Also we know that there is not a single video of him entering and exiting the casino, because well... they said so. We know that almost every single person interviewed on the ground that night was sure that there were multiple shooters. That isn't some guy on the internet giving his speculation those were people at the concert. I know the immediate reaction is that this was a stressful environment and people didn’t know what was going on. To a man, almost every single one interviewed says they can’t understand why the official report pushes the single shooter narrative.

Our government stands a lot to gain and a hell of a lot to lose by letting the facts out to the public. I don't know what happened on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay but what I do know is that it didn't happen the way the official report says it did. If you want to pretend that race has something to do with it or politics or anything other than the facts of the case then let’s hear your opinion, I along with a lot of other people would love to hear something come from the official report that addresses these concerns.

See you ignore obvious answers because you believe there is a conspiracy. The multiple shooters based on sound thing was pretty readily explained by acoustics. Multiple shooters on the ground is also easily explained by the sheer chaos of the area. Thousands of people fleeing while people are getting shot from some unknown location. If paddock was sweeping side to side it could totally look like bullets were coming from multiple places.

Also you should put this same effort in to your real life. Might amount to something.

Sit down son and let me drop a little knowledge on you. Successful people or "those who might amount to something" put the same level of effort in to everything they do. For me it really doesn't matter if it is my job or a reddit post, I put that same level of effort in to everything. Take some advice from me, don't try to insult people who are tyring to have a meaning ful conversation by insinuating that they probably aren't succesful in "real life." Not that it matters in this relm but trust me I'm doing just fine.

As to the facts you didn't give me one bit of information that I can't just as easily disprove or discredit. The fact is that I am open to trying to get to the bottom of it and you believe what your daddy tells you just because he said so.

Ya you are a dolt ,you being racist is not proof that a Caucasian mans motivation is because he is "White".

In fact the guys life profile was real quiet with luxury which makes it even more bizzare but, normal human reasoning is why we want to know.

Do us all a favor and do not reproduce because you are slap in the face stupid.

Must have really triggered you for you to jump to insulting me so quick. No worries though, I've reported your comment and it will be gone soon enough because you're breaking the subreddit rules :) hugs and kisses babe

Removed. Rule 4.

Damn. That's the first theory I've read that makes sense. Given the brouhaha in KSA this weekend it makes perfect sense.

It really doesn't. Mandalay Bay 4 seasons, which those people own a share of. No one has yet proven they own that particular location. Also, they're rich, I mean ungodly rich, without owning it, they could simply buy all the rooms for whatever nights they want. But so can any other insanely rich people.

Also, the idea of the mass shooting as a distraction really makes no sense, at least not from the same location as the "assassination" attempt.. and this location is the sole link they are trying to make.

Now, think about that. They try to bring in another hotel that has zero links (that they claim) as the location the prince or whoever is supposed to be, by simply claiming a video we've all seen that doesn't prove anything.

And they even mentioned "Trump's intelligence agents" like what? Did Congress create a new intelligence service for Trump behind closed doors, or is Trump privately paying for this? In either case, this sounds like something Hitler would do, and I don't see why anyone would take this seriously once they saw that said.

"Wew lad" is an indicator this is a trumpet, and they're just creating fan fiction trying to make Trump the smartest best president ever, when he had absolutely zero to do with it.

It all rests solely on these people supposedly owning the four seasons, while ignoring that insanely rich people from across the globe could have done this for a variety of reasons.

And it poorly explains why you'd commit a mass shooting at the place you're supposedly trying to assassinate someone.

Pretty sure they just meant “they” in the singular, generic neutral-pronoun way not the multiple-people kind of way (I just did it too).

"They" is the hive mind that is the vast majority of Trump supporters.

[And before you say, "but liberals are a hive mind too", I never said they didn't. Doesn't excuse the behavior]

You are now the hive.
Congratulations on your promotion.

It really make zero sense, literally nothing this asshat posted makes any sense at all.

right on the money.

First, I think you've done a phenomenal job here. This is well-researched, highly informative and very creative. I too think KSA may have had something to do with the LV shooting, and would love to get behind this theory.

Unfortunately, this part here is pure fan fiction:

You see, the May 2017 meeting between Trump and King Salman (and his son Mohammad), was not just another meeting. It was a business meeting. King Salman asked Trump for help. Trump was more than willing to give it (like listing the oil companies on the NYSE) but his help would come with a price. Liberalization and the stop of illegal funding. No more contributions to American politics. No more supplying funds to terrorists or splinter groups. King Salman took the deal. All of a sudden, women were allowed to drive. ISIS was retreating. Syrian rebels suddenly ran out of ammunition. Yay. All good up to this point.

No more contributions to American politics? You realize that this guy is Trump's top donor, right?

And do you honestly think Trump had anything to do with Saudi Arabia allowing women to drive? C'mon now...

I made the narrative pro conservative. But my intention was not to make a right-wing explanation.

I didn't even interpret it as pro-conservative, TBH. I thought it was very fair and balanced, and for the most part, non-partisan. The only part that seemed biased to me was the paragraph I excerpted above, and not because it was pro-conservative or pro-Trump, but because it was too out-of-character for Trump, and therefore not believable.

We know objectively that Trump has no problem accepting donations tied to foreign interests. His top donor, Sheldon Adelson (who's married to an Israeli citizen, and who owns a free Israeli newspaper that's sole purpose is to disperse pro-Netenyahu propaganda, which he openly admits) has been extremely vocal about how his $30 million donation to Trump's campaign and inauguration were contingent upon Trump's promise to move the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem. And apparently, that's totally legal.

And, I'll be honest -- it definitely pisses me off that billionaires and oligarchs like Adelson have so much influence over how our tax dollars are spent, but ultimately, that's a larger systemic issue. But my anger is directed at the system that enables this to happen, rather than specifically directed at Trump, or at any other individual politician (regardless of party) who legally accepts donations tied to foreign interests. They all do it and Trump is no different.

For that reason, and based on his track record (in particular, the Adelson example mentioned above), it's completely out-of-character for him to tell Saudi Arabia "No more contributions to American politics." He's a businessman, not a humanitarian, and doesn't claim otherwise.

There's also the fact that, AFAIK, Trump has never been a passionate advocate for women's rights (and I have no problem with beauty pageants, but Miss America is not about women's rights). Additionally, his campaign platform was about making America great again and putting America's needs first. Therefore, it's hard to believe he went to Saudi Arabia and passionately advocated for women's rights so convincingly that the Saudis agreed to fundamentally change their culture over night. Nothing to do with my personal feelings about Trump (of which, I honestly have none)... it's just that, it goes against what we know about him and what he claims to stand for. Championing women's rights in the Middle East has never been part of his agenda.

So, that was my issue with that paragraph. Nothing to do with it being pro-conservative or pro-Trump; just too OOC for me to believe.

I wanted to connect the dots. Period.

And I think you did this incredibly well. That's exactly what I was thinking as I read it -- just utterly impressed at how well you connected so many disparate dots. The Trump paragraph didn't seem like a dot though, and seemed more like some incompatible object, and threw the whole web of connections off for me. But, honestly, kudos on your stellar dot-connection skillz!

I'm sorry that I made the post sound right winged. It was not my intention.

Like I said above, I didn't even interpret it as right winged. It was the recharacterization of Trump that gave me trouble.

Having said that, I stand by what I said. I truly feel that the DNC is compromised. I think if you are going to support a party, you should know who controls that party. If it is some foreign entity, you should know.

Completely agree.

I honestly feel that the left and right are both slaves of the overlords. Hence my posts. I think we should stop believing everything on the news, and start believing what people who we trust tells us.

Completely agree.

it's hard to believe he went to Saudi Arabia and passionately advocated for women's rights so convincingly that the Saudis agreed to fundamentally change their culture over night.

That sounds more like something Ivanka would have wanted.

Or, since the post seems to point to us having a more openly close relationship with KSA Trump would have told them that their current social laws are unacceptable; what I mean is we've always been close with them and everyone knows it but most people don't approve of them as allies and the government hasn't really been openly pro-KSA, so if we're going to work more closely with them on things other than oil and ME affairs they need to make changes to become more palatable to the average American citizen.

Makes sense. The main reason the Clinton's or DNC in general get so much flack for dealing with Middle East countries is because it is viewed as dirty money.

3 possibilities:

1. "Yea, the news are going to eat me alive if this comes out. So, you will, as a sign of good faith, provide me with something irregular, a token of goodwill, that you take my reform ideas serious. Something that guarantees that I stay out of the bad press. It will cost you something, but not money, and you will more then make the gray hairs back up when you see the first bank statement. If you look ood in the public eyes of america, it is amazing what you can do in terms of business. ERemember, you scratch my back, I scratch yours. "

2. "Okay, check this. You sir have a PR problem. That is something we have in common. your enemies will use it against you, and it blocks all that foreign aid, and good will. What you usually do, to dig off the water, is to grab a minor issue, something that you wanted to change for a long time, but couldn't, and then make it looj like this just happened to change not because you had allready 90 % changed it, but because the outside had aided you. Will make trhe outside think, holy heck, how much more like us could they be if they just kept being aided by us?"

3. "So, sir, you were as surprised as I was, right, that some close to you funded terrorist groups, correct? Against your personal wishes? You have these cobras in your bed, but no idea how to deal with them? Simple. The first step is to get them all out, and make sure your bed is cobra free. let me ask you, are you a traditionalist, that has to have a "no right for women to drive"? No? Perfect. What you do is, you use this to get rid of all the snakes. you take itr, and you whack it down. On the religious right. You make this a big point. IF no one speaks up, I ln back, and go, I wash my hands in innocence. Re-institute this as you see fit. But if suddenly the traditionalists get so offended that they show their true colors, you know just what to do. JFK said the same when he attacked the fdeep state. They didn't like it, and he had meant it as a mission statement. You will make this as a tool to find out who the deep state is. "

Could Melania and/or Ivanka had a role in convincing Trump to get that kind o women's rights deal? Could also be something thrown in there as a show of power from Trump/the US to other countries/agencies who would work out that the relaxation of anti-women laws was prt of a deal, not that he convinced them by advocating for th rights of women, but just said 'this is what you have to do as part of the deal' and it could also be kind of showing off a US 'stamp' on SA in terms of culture. A sort of calling card or secret 'fuck yoou' that those in the know would understand.

Also, it could be that Trump said 'no contributions to US politicians except for me.' And the stuff with ISIS etc could be Trump wanting to take credit at home for 'ISIS being on the run' which they are always banging on about in press conferences. So I think the theory can work even with Trump's self-serving attitude.

But who controls the foreign entity and will we find that out?

Is this upcoming war the way against the cause of all wars?

Stay tuned to find out...

The DNC most certainly is compromised but not in the way that you're suggesting. Hillary was very pro fracking and was said to have "sold fracking to the world." Bernie, on the other hand, was solidly against fracking.

But Hillary def did have a connection to Saudi Arabia. How does Huma Abedin fit into this? Which one of these guys was paying the Podestas $140,000 a month while John Podesta was chairperson of Hillary's campaign?

Hillary was very pro fracking and was said to have "sold fracking to the world.

Her actual words are extremely different

"I don’t support it when any locality or any state is against it, No. 1. I don’t support it when the release of methane or contamination of water is present. I don’t support it — No. 3 — unless we can require that anybody who fracks has to tell us exactly what chemicals they are using.

So by the time we get through all of my conditions, I do not think there will be many places in America where fracking will continue to take place. And I think that’s the best approach, because right now, there are places where fracking is going on that are not sufficiently regulated."

But then again, her actions and words rarely matched.

Hillary supports those who will make Hillary rich.

she was pro fracking before she was against it. you can assume she was pro and only pretended to be anti fracking for the election, no one trusted her, too many lies in the past

Great post but Talal is liberal and was pro reform. He was one of the most pro-western princes they had. Why get rid of him?

yeah I don't think it was really a liberal or conservative thing like OP says but the salman king was going to possibly get deposed by some other Saudi princes and/or businessmen like this guy and he was arrested due to that, even if they bother wanted women to be able to drive or whatever. MBS, aka mohamman bin salman, is consolidating power.

I think one possibility is that Trump is also completing a power-play. IMHO, this is being mistaken for him “Draining the Swamp”.

In reality, he is simply taking the power from those who had it, and transferring it to his own people.

New powerful middle-men, same shit sandwich for the rest of us.

I think we should stop believing everything on the news, and start believing what people who we trust tells us.

I know it's a bit belated, but honest question here...

What are you supposed to do if you literally don't trust or believe a single damn thing or person about, well, anything?

Just not care?

I'm by no means a conspiracy theorist, I don't even know wtf I'm doing here. But I do know that LV shooting was more confusing than just about any of the tragic news I've woken up to 15 years of adult life. And your "theory" is... well-written if nothing else. I just think everyone's completely full of shit. Probably even you, even if your motives are unknown even to you.

Trump's full of shit. America is full of shit. China is full of shit. My government is DEFINITELY full of shit. The terrorists are completely full of shit (come the fuck on nobody loves their god that much - are they just sick of living in the sand? I don't fucking know). Hell, I'm probably full of shit saying everyone is full of shit.

I want to believe you. Or somebody. Or something. But I don't think the "truth" even exists anymore. There's your truth. Or America's truth. Or Trump's truth, or something like that, I guess? But "the truth"? If I would go to the grave saying Scenario A is the truth, and you would go to the grave saying Scenario B is the truth, then ultimately, at the end of the day, once the dust settles, aren't both truths going to the reality anyway?

Fuck this, I'm gonna have a billy and go back to playing Initial D. Sick post though.

And do you honestly think Trump had anything to do with Saudi Arabia allowing women to drive? C'mon now... I'm sorry, but Trump is not the selfless protagonist of this story.

You're probably right to an extent, but I can hear Trump saying something like "Now look, Prince, no one knows the American people like I do. Believe me. And look, I can't do big deals with your country if your going to keep going around executing chicks for driving or something silly like that, OK? It would be a total disaster for everyone. So do a little something to look more modern as a culture so they take your business modernizing seriously."

Fair point. It's all about the framing, right? If it's framed as a started business tactic, I can buy it. If it's framed as humanitarian, I cannot.

Well. I mean, he DID write a book titled the art of the deal...

Yep. Although I never read that book... but I was a big Apprentice and Celebrity Apprentice fan!

10/10, would theorize again.

1/10, not screencapped from 4chan /s

Why TF should that matter?

It's a theory and its a theory that makes the most sense. If your grandmother came up with this I would still say its the best theory.

The /s means it's sarcasm.

w-woosh?

I genuinely can't tell if you're serious.

Clearly you don't understand sarcasm.

Someone explain to this guy what sarcasm is.

your grandmother really does make nice theories

Really excellent post. This ties most if not all of the details together in a way that makes a whole lot of sense.

I can't imagine why this post is at 78% upvoted. Who would come to a sub called r/conspiracy and downvote a post like this?

The people behind the false flag.

People with a different opinion.

Upvotes aren'tnfor opinions

People seem to think they are.

It pains Trump in a pretty good light, that's why.

Good how?

WTF? This is a complete fantasy scenario that is completely unsupported by evidence. This is more of the 4chanization of this subreddit.

I know that there are a lot of people that think that because is a "conspiracy" sub, that means that all rules for logic, evidence, and argument just fly out the window. That's the main reason conspiracy theorists aren't taken seriously. But there are conspiracy theorists that actually take evidence seriously! Has anybody here read Rush to Judgment?

Army of assassins? Multiple bodies in hotel room covered up? CIA? Weapons dealing? Saudi royal family? This is a bad movie plot, not a real conspiracy theory.

Obvious shill is obvious. ☝️🖕☝️

They're a shill for using logic and deduction?

How is that "logic"? He just took words from OP's post and put question marks after them. It's really effective at masquerading as an argument for dumber folks though. Here I'll do it with yours:

Shill?!? Logic??? Deduction?!?

I understand this is hard to understand

What "logic and deduction" was used?

He read it and saw that it was more pro trump horseshit. Too bad you guys missed that

So we agree no logic and deduction was used.

Not to mention that the CIA (a group that would likely be involved in said weapons dealings) was actually involved in the ideas behind tons of Hollywood films, as well as their production.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2008/nov/14/thriller-ridley-scott

Everyone knows 2 + 2 = 4, but when you try to convince them 4 + 4 = 8, all hell breaks loose.

The post didn't say the government was weapons dealing. It says only Paddock was selling weapons.

Which is even more dumb. Why would a group of elite assassins wait till the night of the assassination to buy guns from some guy they've never met and don't know???

Its insane, like these trained assassins wouldn't have a way of getting their own guns? It's bonkers.

Rule 10, first warning.

Bah, sorry. But hey, my first warning ever on Reddit was at least on my favorite sub! 😊

While conspiracy theories allow for the blanks to be filled in and lots of circumstantial evidence we have to be careful about entering into pure conjecture and fiction.

Welcome to r/conspiracy.

Did you forget what sub you’re in?

Weapons dealing? This is a bad movie plot, not a real conspiracy theory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

Do you think weapons dealing is not something the government does?

"Do you think weapons dealing is not something the government does?"

Exactly what a conspiracy guy would do, cherry-pick one statement out of a bunch of logic and twist it to their narratives.

Do you think weapons dealing is not something the government does?" Exactly what a conspiracy guy would do, cherry-pick one statement out of a bunch of logic and twist it to their narratives.

To be fair, in this day and age, that tactic is used by everyone, not just some "conspiracy guy". All part of the issue of misinformation.

That is true for sure. It definately happens in every aspect of life. In this situation though, I think its better to challenge someone's "biggest or best" idea to prove them wrong, not the "arms deals" that everyone knows about. The rest of the arguement doesnt contain 1 fact.

My point was that you can't just lump all of those things in as being absurd because some of them we have proof that they do happen.

It's funny you say it's something a conspiracy guy would do because it's actually something 'skeptics' do. Take something that is true and lump it in with a bunch of crazier sounding stuff to try and discredit it.

I thought it was ONLY Paddock implicated in the weapons dealing in this conspiracy. He had no connections to government, just he was an arms dealer... Some how...Even though he only used guns he bought personally and legally... And all his gun and gun transactions are accounted for...

Of course the government deals weapons. How do you get from the government tracking sales of weapons from licensed dealers in Arizon to:

(1) Stephen Paddock (not a weapons dealer)
(2) demonstrating weapons
(3) in a luxury casino hotel suite
(4) to an army of assassins
(5) posing as terrorists
(6) planning to assassinate other Saudis
(7) and when the assassins find out their plan is falling apart, they don't run away, but instead ... wait for it ...
(8) kill Paddock, break the windows and fire on the crowd
(9) in order to cover their tracks!!!!!

Do you see how every part of this is both unlikely and unsupported by the evidence? And I'm not even including everything.

the "fast and furious" guns for drugs was 'fake news' huh? Not to mention the numerous other well documented occasions where the US supplied guns to 'rebels' e.g. the Iran-Contra affair with Colonel Oliver North being used as the fall guy and getting badly busted swapping cocaine for guns .. he got prison for doing so and many other 'high profile' people were implicated

Thanks for pointing out where he got the facts incorrect. If you were going to indicate why he is wrong and it shouldn't be taken seriously it seems you would point out what hes gotten wrong.

That's why they're called theories...

Good theories rely on actual, verifiable evidence. This kind of thing is just a mishmash of different unverifiable facts thrown together to fit a narrative.

If people want conspiracy theories to be taken seriously, this is the worst way to go about it. I can't for the life of me understand why a sub that actually purports to want the truth and wants others to know the truth, upvotes and supports obvious LARPs and fan-fiction. It only obfuscates the truth.

This post isn't trying to fill a narrative, if so, what narrative is that?

It's not "just a mishmash of different unverifiable facts thrown together to fit a narrative.", it's a bunch of verifiable facts that can't be linked in a verifiable manner. thus, the theory. Saying that the CIA killed Kennedy is an unverifiable fact, should we stop it with those theories too?

Maybe it's intentional misinformation? Maybe that's why so much obvious bullshit is upvoted heavily here? Maybe upvote bots are used to promote the bullshit. Or maybe the average /r/conspiracy user is not very bright. But a lot of the more prolific posters here do a lot more harm than good by hurting the legitimacy of the sub. Then again maybe the users should be using critical thinking and downvote bullshit.

It's impossible to tell intentional misinformation from wild speculation or creative writing assignments. But if I was a government agency trying to make conspiracy theorists look bad and lead people in the wrong direction it would look a lot like the OP.

This is what bothers me. I've been a conspiracy theorist for decades, because when I was relatively young I was exposed to programs and facts that made it clear that SOME conspiracy theories were true, or at least there was substantial evidence to believe that they were true.

As I got older and read more and gained an education, I continued to be interested in certain conspiracy theories that appeared to be justified by the facts. My main interest has always been in knowing the truth, and convincing others of the truth, insofar as I understand it. And the reason for that is that I believe the world can be a better place if government secrets are brought to light.

That's why I came to /r/conspiracy, under a different name, many years ago. There was always a lot of fluff, but there was genuine insight as well.

Lately, not so much. What I see is a trend towards either (a) blind acceptance of anonymous fan fiction, which is bad, or (b) willingness to go along with fan fiction that isn't backed by evidence and logic because doing so is exciting. This is the opposite of the search for truth.

So, I don't know what to think. I think some of the posts may be intentional misinformation. But that misinformation would never gain a foothold if real users didn't upvote it and continue to spread it around.

(a) blind acceptance of anonymous fan fiction, which is bad, or (b) willingness to go along with fan fiction that isn't backed by evidence and logic because doing so is exciting. This is the opposite of the search for truth.

And when you question a theory you're hit with "why are you even in /r/conspiracy?". Sorry for not blindly believing every theory without evidence. Skepticism shouldn't be turned off just because we want to believe something. One should be skeptical towards all new information. Not just the "official narrative". I think the excitement of being "one of the few in the know" pushes people to believe some crazy shit.

I found the economic portions to be a great conspiracy. Saudi Oil trying to destroy USA Fracking.

But things went sideways when talks of an army of assassins... Trump with his own intelligence team... Saudi being the one asking to stop fracking by partnering with DNC (when clearly well water, and earthquakes are a cause of concern amoung constituents).

Basically attempting to wrap politics into a conspiracy falls flat. Not every conspiracy has political aspects. Sometimes they can simply be predatory business practice.

This conspiracy needs to find more financial evidence in the latest document dump (Paradise Papers, Panama Papers)

Who would come to a sub called r/conspiracy and downvote a post like this?

Downvotes are added automatically by the reddit voting algorithm, ostensibily to curb/prevent bots and brigading.

So yeah, many of these dowvotes are artificial.

that's not how karma fuzzing works.

I downvoted it. The entire post is ridiculous, especially the parts about fracking that devolve into a left/right narrative when in reality both parties actively support it. Almost thought this was satire at first... The worst part is that new people are seemingly enjoying it. Another nail in /r/conspiracy's coffin, in my humble opinion.

Also, the number of (highly upvoted) comments saying how well thought out this theory is...

It is an interesting post, but it is also mostly speculation, with essentially no sources for the claims it is making.

Wel, yea its speculation. This sub is called r/conspiracy.

No shit, you already said that. I actually didn't downvote this post but I'm saying some people come to /r/conspiracy to delve deep, read up on sources, and reach their own conclusions rather than just upvote what they want to hear. Sure, this post is thought-provoking, but it isn't a particularly great post imo because there isn't much evidence given for the majority of these claims.

Just for comparison, here are a couple of my recently saved links from /r/conspiracy that I found to be better posts because they have sources for their claims, and serve as a launching pad for doing my own thinking and research on the claims they are making.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/742abb/the_las_vegas_shooting_happened_exactly_133_days/

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/770yu6/fyi_the_story_that_broke_today_about_the_obama/doi7ubd/

(This one was actually in /r/politics but its still a good conspiracy post: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/6o7caz/the_voter_purges_are_coming/dkfbtaj/?context=3

Yeah, it's a theory. Ya know, a conspiracy theory. That's what this is about. If it was all proven it would be a conspiracy fact.

Right, but generally people believe something because of some kind of evidence. You don't just start at what you want to believe and hope the evidence comes later. You start with the evidence you have and theorize from there. This sub isn't /r/wildspeculation or /r/funfantasytheories. Ideally the theories here should have a basis in reality.

gather evidence -> theorize

vs

theorize -> try to find evidence that supports previous theory

I'm saying you speculate A LOT for what "evidence" you actually have. I understand you're trying to fill in the blanks with what's available but you jump to a lot of conclusions. Instead of deferring to the most likely/reasonable scenario you tend to do the opposite. It's one thing to believe these things as a hunch but to present them as fact or even likely is disingenuous.

King Salman asked Trump for help. Trump was more than willing to give it

To start, your first few paragraphs about Trump and Salman are pure speculation. Your main evidence is women being allowed to drive and the implication that SA was funding both ISIS and the rebels fighting ISIS but stopped doing so because Trump promised to help with something. So Trump gets what? And Salman gets what?

I can't remember where, but I heard that the whole floor was reserved for that week. Now, no one would do that unless they were Saudi royalty. We don't know for sure, but my guess is Crown Prince Mohammad

Pure speculation. Your entire premise hinges on this point and you don't know if it's true.

So, posing as terrorists who wanted to buy the guns for some terrorist attack, they dupe the CIA or FBI to supply the guns to the death squad. Their real plan is to climb the stairs right after the deal and kill the VIP in the floors above them. This is why the weapons cashe was located on the 32nd floor. They would only have to climb a few stairs or take the elevator up a little to start the killing.

Really weirdly convoluted assassination plan, doesn't make any sense. Why setup the arms deal? Is this really the best plan a bunch of professional assassins could come up with? A plan with close to 100% chance of being caught.

CIA/FBI (or Trump's own intelligence) got wind of the assassination that was about to take place. Immediate action is taken to round up the assassins. Remember, we're talking about an army of assassins here. You can't kill a Crown Prince who's protected by 30 armed bodyguards by pulling a Jack Ruby. I estimate at least 20 assassins in total.

"I estimate". More pure speculation. How did Trump/CIA/FBI get the intel RIGHT before it was supposed to happen? How did you come up with the numbers of bodyguards and assassins?

They lead him out of the casino and escort him to the nearest helipad to be picked up. BUT, on the way, they encounter some resistance from a few assassins. Hence the firefight at the airport.

Assassins somehow find him?

The assassins already in Paddock's room gets a call. They are told that the Prince is not in his suite above. That he's being escorted out of the Tropicana. They start panicking. If they get caught in this plot to assassinate the crown prince, not only are they dead, but their employer is dead as well. They come up with a plan. They will kill Paddock and start firing on the crowd below. They're gonna make him a crazy lone gunman. So they kill Paddock. They break a window. They pick up a rifle and start firing at the crowd below.

Explain to me how this makes any sense whatsoever. Please. How does firing on the crowd help them in any way?

Are you saying there's no proof that someone, tho we don't know who it was, was escorted out of the casino by 5 armed agents, all with automatic weapons drawn and AIMING at unarmed civilians?

This sorta happened but it's almost certainly not who you're claiming it is. Where are his 25 other bodyguards? Why are "his bodyguards" not surrounding him to protect him? Why does he go a different direction than "his bodyguards"? I'll just repost my other comment regarding the video since you didn't respond to that one:

Evidence: 1) man aims gun at unarmed people 2) guy in back is too nonchalant

Conclusions:

Must be a Saudi royal family member? Is it more likely that these are poorly trained LV police being followed by 2 hotel employees? Or is it more likely that these are personal security escorting a Saudi prince (who apparently doesn't need the escort that badly because he separates from them at the end of the video)? If these were private security why wouldn't they have their VIP surrounded? Why would he just tag behind them?

Here's my understanding of your theory: The CIA/FBI/whoever was going to sell guns to a group of assassins. The assassins were actually there to kill a Saudi Prince. The Saudi Prince is actually out gambling. The assassins then kill Paddock and start firing on the crowd(why?). Some of the assassins somehow intercept Saudi VIP on way to helicopter and are killed. 2 assassins left in hotel are killed and everything is covered up.

If you were A LOT less specific it would be somewhat believable. But as is it makes absolutely no sense. Re-read your entire post with the mindset of a skeptical person who needs to be convinced and analyze it.

People who hate plagiarism . I check OP post with quetext.com. Turns out he copy his post word to word from this website. http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-las-vegas-shooting-and-the-mass-arrests-in-saudi-arabia-what-connection-could-there-be/

This is by far the most well thought out, informed opinion I've read on this sub in many moons, possibly ever.

Right or wrong, you provided a very well written piece that gave me a lot to think about.

Thanks.

And yet it contains an element of truth for the whole "Draining the Swamp" narrative. Trump's a good guy (as far as politicans go)??? I mean, why would be exchange stock opportunities for liberalising the country? That kind of narrative doesn't usually fly around these parts 🤔

Because of the real reason to do the ipo and not get China involved in Saudi’s new biz model. The petrodollar. Since oil is denom in US dollars all countries have to convert their worthless paper into our worthless paper. So we stay in control and can print more money.

Plus there is a big move by the US to foul up China's one belt one road initiative.

What’s that?

It is a massive economic plan by the Chinese to spread their influence across the entire eastern hemisphere. This includes economic development zones, railway projects from Eastern China clear across the continent to western Europe, gas pipelines, shipping lanes and ports, etc. Another goal is to develop many of the raw material exporting countries in to value added exporters (I.e. produce finished goods).

Anyhow, the US sees this as a threat, obviously. This has led some people to suspect that the US is behind recent separatist turmoil in Catalonia and Myanmar (to mention a couple), both of which would be important locations in the One belt One road plan.

Essentially they are trying to recreate a modern silk road and the US doesn't want that.

Sounds a bit like Manifest Destiny.

That honestly sounds like a great plan. Would save lots of resources/make things more efficient.

Yes, a real nice plot for a movie perhaps. Seems far from realistic but was a good read with good thought put into it.

Mr. Peanutbutter supports fracking.

There are 8 comments here, yet it says there are only 3.

This is being talked about on 4chan too

Looks pretty solid. Paddock could have been associated with any operation for this to work. He could become a patsy in any scenario... as asset, Isis, rogue dealer, on team assassin himself, double agebt, etc.

Scared shitless for knowing things?

So scared that he ran the fuck out of the country. Then our alphabets found him right away and got him back. Coached him on what to say and promised they'd never hurt him as long as he sticks to the story.

But on the plus side he got to go on Ellen..

On the minus side, he had to be in the same room as Ellen...

In a nice comfy closed studio, with time for multiple takes. Yep, Ellen answered all my questions, let me with no doubt something stinks here.

Is there any verifiable info tying in the Saudis? All I'm seeing is OP's recollection that the top floor might have been rented all week and its ownership. What info places anyone from the Saudi family there during the shooting? The evac video could show a person of Arab descent or some other random rich person.

You got a stew goin'!

One of the better theories I have read. Thx

I think your overall outline is good. I have questions about details.

The biggest question is why it seems like they exaggerated the number of people who were actually wounded (over 500) and possibly the number of people that were killed.

It's like we have some kind of a Sandy Hook situation on the ground, with crisis actors taking falls. That doesn't mean no one was shot/killed, just that it's really obvious that it wasn't 500 people, and some of the injuries are obviously fake (rifle wounds to the head that are fixed with 2 days in the hospital).

It seems like were they planning to stage a mass shooting as cover for the hit on the Saudi Prince, with Paddock or someone else as the "lone gunman" Oswald.

It's like we have some kind of a Sandy Hook situation on the ground, with crisis actors taking falls.

Also interviewed a few crisis actors right after the event:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dQ17_LWFZs - This one's recently been censored from Youtube, but it was titled Las Vegas Shooting Hoax EXPOSED | Compilation of Clips is 100% PROOF!, had a few thousand views and a lot of likes iirc.

http://vidhole.com/2017/10/mirrored-crisis-actor-las-vegas-shooting-confirmed/

http://vidhole.com/2017/10/las-vegas-crisis-actors-caught-in-lie-after-lie/

OP's theory makes a whole lot of sense, but now I'm uncertain. It's difficult to reconcile the presence of crisis actors at the event (anyone remember the 'hero' who saved "30 people" after getting shot in the neck?), or at least present shortly after the event to give interviews, with the whole idea that real bullets were fired into the crowd and people were actually getting killed.

Not all the royalties in KSA are into this. They don't like losing the power they once had. What's worse, they don't want to become liberal. They now start resenting King Salmon. They start plotting against him. At the forefront of this movement is none other than the previous Deputy Crown Prince, Muqrin, and his son, Mansour (the man killed in the helicopter crash of 11/5/17).

The major flaw in this theory is that a number of the people arrested, such as the tech investor Waleed bin Talal or Amr Al-Dabbagh, who's been working to promote entrepreneurship in the kingdom, are some of the most liberal elites in Saudi Arabia. Waleed bin Talal is part Armenian and comes from a branch of the royal family once exiled for wanting reforms, ffs. Furthermore, the goal of wanting to modernize and diversify the KSA economy will be impeded by the very people who are currently modernizing and diversifying the KSA economy.

The conspiracy is very simple - MbS is targeting anyone and everyone who could be a potential challenge to his authority. It's a pure power play, repeated over and over throughout history when a would-be-claimant to the throne eliminates his relatives and their supporters.

“LOL, just no. Anyone who knows anything about non-traditionals depletion rates understands the limitations of shale. It's an important but by no means dominant part of the energy equation.”

Bit harsh on the oil component of his theory when all you did was offer up an Art Berman surface level “forecast” on macro production levels. His point that US production has been flat, while importing less, and exporting more actually supports the theory that KSA is in panic mode. Its in their best interest financially the US produces less, imports more, and exports less. They’ve come to stubbornly realize, after flooding the market to unsuccessfully choke out US shale while losing trillions, they’re no longer running things uncontested. Big problem indeed.

The only driver of the energy equation can be summed up in one word - economics - no mention of that in your link you so condescendingly posted as if you were a TA grading a term paper. At the end of the day, Art Berman has a BS in History and a MS in Geology. He can churn out all the papers he wants but the fact is geologists do not calculate reserves and perform economic analyses at E&Ps. Petroleum Engineers do all the heavy lifting which causes many geologist to develop an inferiority complex and over compensate in one way or another but I digress.

Breakeven for the Permian is < $30/bbl while the House of Saud needs around $75/bbl. You can do the math on how much they’ve lost over the last 2.5 years. Like the OP said - big problem. Its fair to assume they are looking to diversify with the US not only far less reliant on foreign oil, but making it uneconomic for much of OPEC to produce, leading these countries to run a massive deficit.

The OP said KSA was counting on US shale to dry up after 10 years, but it will last 50...while this is hyperbole, he isn’t far off the mark. Wells are forecasted on 40 year decline curves when annual reserve reports are filed with the SEC - including shale. Exxon just spent $6.6B acquiring a highly undeveloped acreage position in the Delaware Basin accounting for billions of barrels of reserves yet to be recovered. They’re one of many operators in one of many US shale basins. It’s entirely realistic between tech advancements, innovation, EOR, and new field discoveries the US will be a disruptive force in the global oil market until renewables completely take over.

https://youtu.be/ks072waMayk

There are two career paths in the US where you can be wrong 90% of the time and not lose your job - geologist and meteorologist. Rarely should you believe either one.

There's a lot of hype talking about $35 shale coming out of wall street and from shills from within the oil industry, but these figures are actually skewed by the drastic reduction in labor inputs as a huge portion of the shale biz got wiped out and put on life support in early 2016. The breakeven for the Permian is actually closer to 45 dollars, with a range of 30-60 depending on location. The extraction cost for Saudi oil, however, is less than $9 - the breakeven price is inflated based on the price they need for their government budget, but in terms of cost of production they run circles around us now and forever. And that's not even mentioning the fact that their oil comes out of the ground refinery ready whereas our WTI already sells at a steep discount compared to the other major benchmarks (Urals and Brent) due to lack of demand.

Furthermore, you never even addressed the main point, and that is the fact that non-traditionals have a much higher depletion rates, and we're already seeing evidence of this eating into growth in the Permian.

A new report from Horseman Capital Management Ltd., and cited by Bloomberg, says the decline rates are deeper than usual because drillers are placing too many wells in close proximity to one another. The wells then kill pressure in each other, lowering the amount of oil that can be recovered from them. "New well production is increasingly cannibalizing legacy production," Russell Clark, investment manager at Horseman Capital Management, wrote in a new report, cited by Bloomberg. "The decline rate looks to be accelerating."

Shale companies often trumpet their ability to tweak their drilling practices in order to cut costs, boasting about “drilling efficiencies” that have allowed them to lower their breakeven prices over the last three years. But one of those practices is putting so many wells close together, a practice that was thought to squeeze more oil out of the ground at lower cost. However, while the costs might indeed remain low, this new evidence suggests that cramming wells close too close together could be eating into their own potential production levels.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Nothing-To-See-Here-Frackers-Ignore-Rising-Well-Decline-Rates.html

There are two career paths in the US where you can be wrong 90% of the time and not lose your job - geologist and meteorologist. Rarely should you believe either one.

https://media.giphy.com/media/dEdmW17JnZhiU/giphy.gif

Haha it looks like the name of your game is to pull up imright.com and regurgitate a bunch of points you believe support your position. Theory from the OP just claimed Saudi sees US shale as a threat and I agreed. Thats all.

Nobody is saying the US has more oil reserves than Saudi. I can tell you have zero technical background in the oil and gas business because you used “non-traditional” multiple times to describe whats called an unconventional reservoir (low porosity/low permeability, requires stimulation, higher well density/tighter spacing). Reminds me of the tavern scene of Inglorious Basterds when the Englishman posing as a German gives himself away putting up the wrong three fingers to order drinks. And yeah you’re right when you say there is a difference in decline curves and spacing requirements in conventional vs unconventional reservoirs.

Economics is obviously more granular than the general statement I made as well. Its a function of operator, acreage position, engineering, and geological factors that take years of studying and work experience to comprehend. So don’t talk to me like you understand well spacing, porosity, permeability, viscosity, petrophysics, reservoir heterogeneity, pressure depletion, reservoir management, enhanced oil recovery techniques, stimulation techniques, material balance, etc...because your knowledge appears to be surface level.

The article from oil pro is common sense. Too many straws in the ground will negatively affect reservoir management in a number of ways, and infill drilling can have a unintended impact on the decline curves of parent wells when drainage area is unknown or not considered. There is a lot still being figured out through trial and error in the Permian - including spacing issues which pertain to acceleration vs new capture. There is also different development strategies amongst operators in the Permian. Not everyone is drilling and completing wells at breakneck speed - this impacts those articles you referenced describing aggregate production levels. Its just too complex of an issue to sum up in a few paragraphs. Nonetheless, the point from the OP is still valid in my opinion - KSA has lost market share and they’re concerned about it. Enjoyed your stanley hudson response to my joke. Im done going down this rabbit hole. Last word is all yours.

I know you archived the last post you made, any chance you can do that with this one too? Great post,

Dont worry about what others think, post what you think is good no matter the subject. This is CONSPIRACY sub after all.

Weren't there a bunch of Israelis unaccounted for in Vegas after the shooting?

Is there a way we can verify that this is the prince being escorted in this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVHmshtmDqo

Here here. This should not be too hard to do if it really is him.

It looks like its him to me. Compare to this other video of him. Slightly rounded in both videos, more close cut in the vegas phone video.

It's him. Theory checks out.

He seems a really close match but the beard doesn't seem right compared to all other pics of him I've seen. Video guy is clearly "somebody".

Do we know who took that video and are they one of the many people in LV that night who've coincidentally died?

My two issues with the video are the formation, and the split at the end.

So if you are guarding a target you have one or two covering the back, not some guy occasionally turning around and pointing his gun at him.

The other is at the end the guards seem to continue straight while the last two guys seem to head down a hall to the right.

Them following is odd for sure but the formation and other aspects seem off.

The whowle vegas situation plus what has happened in the past 3 days is definitely weird and possibly connected.

I have not seen anything that dates this clip; some say it was filmed at a drill months before. The behavior of the guards is amateur. The formation is not strategic; they are not uniformly garbed; they are loose & juicy and not racked & jacked. Pointing their guns around at people.... meh. The two guys at the end are very casual. Not like lifelong royalty born and bred to rule. They look more to me like a couple of producers riding herd on some of their crisis actors in a drill. Even the public don't act right at all. Like this is a lark. Not like people in shock or being traumatized. It's more like some casual off the cuff video of people in between scenes, just walking around getting in positions, and boys will be boys, so yes, playing with their toy guns.

It didn't seem like the guy in shorts was being guarded/escorted to safety if he was a prince, so I agree that was off and left me with a lot of questions. Still OPS theory is a good one, given what's happened in SA.

Yes ops theory does help fill in holes and explain what may have happened. But that video is odd for sure.

one of the many people in LV that night who've coincidentally convincingly died?

It really does look like him and if you look at this video of him walking at the beginning, he has the same walk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n30fi6hth4

Here is a photo of him without the traditional and it doesn't seem to match the person in the video. The person in the video seems to have a lot more balding than the crownprince.

Look at how low his part is on the right side. That could well be a combover and colored hair spray. Getting into western garb could mean a totally different look.

In your opinion does it really look like the armed people are guarding the 2 in back? Have you watched the entire video? Why do the 2 in back not stay with the security at the end? Why are the security not actually protecting/surrounding the 2 in back if they're VIP?

Evidence:

1) man aims gun at unarmed people

2) guy in back is too nonchalant

Conclusions:

Must be a Saudi royal family member?

Is it more likely that these are poorly trained LV police being followed by 2 hotel employees? Or is it more likely that these are personal security escorting a Saudi prince (who apparently doesn't need the escort that badly because he separates from them at the end of the video)? If these were private security why wouldn't they have their VIP surrounded? Why would he just tag behind them?

Someone on the CBTS threads mentioned he's probably casino security collecting/protecting chips.

Makes more sense and is simplest explanation.

The Vegas guy has is not bald enough

More importantly who was filming this.

Someone who saw the extraction team enter the hotel to retrieve the prince.

People film everything any more. Two guys get into a fight at Mcdonalds and theres 4 more guys filming it. I don't understand why there aren't more/clearer videos of this.

Everyone else has their hands up this guy is zooming in to get confirmation on the VIP.

Having private American hating security would explain why the guy in yellow is actually pointing his gun at the people.

If I recall, the man with the bag is a plain clothes security officer that works for the hotel. Pics have been posted before of the guy playing softball wearing the same shoes and with the leg tattoos.

I’m on mobile so I can’t find it, but he’s a local guy, not a Saudi Prince. His name and Facebook have been posted.

I don't believe they're "protecting" him, I think he's just a part of their detail, whatever they're doing.

I'll have to dig up the story on it, it was posted numerous times on this subreddit who the guy is when the story was new and breaking.

Found it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/751t9z/during_las_vegas_shooting_who_is_this_guy_being/do2vxok/

Is anyone gonna comment on the two guys at the rear just peeling off to the right from the armed guard at the end of the video? I feel like if the men with guns were tasked with protecting the two walking men they wouldn’t walk away from the guard like that. Not to mention there is nobody protecting their sides or rear.

Holy Shit.

(begin slow clap)

This puts together so many loose ends like the airport shooting and other random shootings that the official narrative doesn't.

Strange days when the "conspiracy" sounds more plausible than the official explanation.

That's not strange, that's almost always the case

It's almost always the case because conspiracy's are usually build, by design, to incorporate all the factoids and to simply downplay anything that doesn't necessarily fit. But this usually makes these types of theories seem forced or unauthentic. This particular narrative doesn't come off that way.

Was there any official reports or threads talking about the airport shooting?

Agreed. OP's theory makes sense in how all the bits and pieces we've come across so far connect into a bigger picture.

Really ties everything together. Nice work!

Fracking isn’t really a threat to the Saudis though. It costs them about $10 to produce a barrel, with fracking it’s over $50.

I’m not sure what’s going on over there, but it’s not because of fracking.

Over $50 to produce a barrel with fracking yet WTI crude was around $50/barrel last time I checked. I really doubt the cost to produce a barrel through fracking is that high.

Costs have been dramatically reduced with new techniques while output has increased from about 5 percent of the actual oil in the shale to about 17 percent with conservative estimates of an increase to about 25 percent in the near future. So oil produced from fracking has gone up in spite of the glut of world wide oil supplies and lowered profits. Fracking is not stopping but rather increasing. The Saudis are in major trouble. This is why this theory makes so much sense to me even if there are a few gaps in the theory. BTW, I've worked in Bakken oil field. It's a great place to work if you can get on a crew. High pay and great food if you are in the right place. Make sure your contractor has a place for you to stay and pays your room. Otherwise I would skip on it. Even Walmart pays their cashiers about 20 bucks an hour.

Regardless of whether or not this is what happened, this was a great read and you have woven a narrative worthy of a Clancy novel.

I envy your mind.

Isn’t fracking for harvesting natural gas, not oil? I’m not convinced on his point that fracking was bad for opec.

Natural gas is an alternative for heating many homes and other such things to oil, using ng over oil would cut back on US reliance on OPEC oil

frack·ing1 ˈfrakiNG/ noun noun: fracking

the process of injecting liquid at high pressure into subterranean rocks, boreholes, etc., so as to force open existing fissures and extract oil or gas.

I stand corrected

BLAM! read this whole post.

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Part of comment no. 148321434

Near the end: "He then said the next information dump might shut down /pol/, and to stay alert in places that conservatives gather."

Be cool if this place would go back to hating both sides instead of being a conservative gathering place.

Would be cool if Reddit would go back to allowing full expression of opinions then. The only sub that allows both sides is this one.

So your opinion is being suppressed? Doesn't look that way.

Try expressing an opinion that Trump isn’t Hitler in Politics and see how long you last.

Yeah, I read through there all the time, and rarely see anyone banned. So, not sure what you're doing there but it must be much worse than what I've seen.

I'm tired of seeing that lame reasoning. Trump needs to do something that doesn't paint him as a total asshat. He has actually gotten praise from the Left when he's done something they approve of, but when you do way more bad things of course positive opinions are going to be lacking and called out.

r/NeutralPolitics is good

This is called irony.

I've been a democrat, I am a libertarian and I support a republican. I personally am hoping for a solution, rather than just more hate. I get it, the rebellion is fun/empowering, but it sounds like your end-goal is more hate. Which is fine, I'm just wondering if that's what you really meant.

That the trump cheerleaders here should probably stay in TD.

This isn't a Trump sub, and it shouldn't be a conservative one either. It should be for people who question all sides.

This makes sense; the multiple shots heard at different casinos, men seen running out of the Mandalay.

Was the missile fired from Yemen? That's 'the story' given.

Who do you believe removed the laptop hard drive? Paddock, the feds, or the assassins?

feds.

Beautifully written, well done OP.

Best theory so far explaining Vegas anomalies.

Excellent work. Very plausible. Well done.

i thought the second pistol shot was ten minutes after the first , not ten seconds .... Maybe I'm wrong on that

Butt Hillary is really really pro fracking.

This is the only hole i can poke in OP's story.

Hillary being the scumbag she is i'm sure she played both sides of the game, but still - your statement stands.

Sure she could have used that as leverage, as in to say she told them she would change her position on the matter if they were to come to an agreement (considering everybody had expected her to be the next POTUS.)

Well she does have those "public" and "private" positions on policy ;)

And yet she still wonders why people don't trust her and she lost.

The neoliberal corporate Democrats are decidedly pro fracking. Hillary would never have actually done anything to ban it.

Exactly

Well the Saudis didn't pick her, exactly. But the DNC in general is their best hope to curb US energy production.

Came here to say this.

She doesn't really have a long history of being very consistent on her positions though, does she?

Just the ones that make her money, like frakking.

Maybe they were fooled?

Depends which way you cut that check.

Im so fucking entertained right now!!!

I've read that the guy in that video being "escorted" is a Mandalay Bay security officer named Jason Buff who was called in as he was playing a softball game. He's securing a bag that contains millions of dollars worth of chips.

Why is he being escorted by a small militia?

He's securing a bag that contains millions of dollars worth of chips.

Again, why do they all need to have their guns drawn? Two body guards with pistols would suffice.

Yeah, I agree. Something was going on.

It could have been just a heightened security measure due to the current/earlier gunfire.

And the body board? The prince may have been injured. Plan to take him in a chopper? If not then a gurney would have been used. I'm just thinking out loud here.

I call BS. That's not how they move chips in a casino. As if that's not routine. They do it everyday. They use secure carts that they push, right (Ocean's 11- the Asian snuck in one of these)? Not a bag. That is someone's personal bank roll/passport. Carrying it so close to the chest... If you are being evacuated from your suit and your a loaded, you just grab your cash. Leave all rest- it can be replaced.

True...I was high AF when I posted that.

Certainly an intriguing theory. One of the best I've ever read..

Jason Buff, what a great name.

i don't buy this story. no insight into casino security, but I would imagine in the event of an active shooter everything at a casino goes into lock down. EVERYTHING. that means chips are pushed into a drawer and locked. that's it.

this isn't a 4 drawer community bank. with 12 feet to the exit. this is deep inside a casino.

shooting starts, boom. lockdown. chips are safe. vaults are closed. security starts 911 drills.

all ppl working in casinos in vegas at the time had to take part in some active shooter training.

Fits perfectly and it’s very thought out... bravo

you've obviously never loaded magazines. no way are you loading 100 round magazines in 40 seconds.

Did they have quick loaders? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedloader

I mean... MAYBE if they had stripper clips. Even with the Lula loaders it would be tough.

Yeah it’s tough, I’ve used them before and they do speed up loading mags. Plus we have no idea when they started loading. Obviously all hypothetical.

One guy shooting while the other loads, that gives him a little more time than 40 seconds to load a 100 round mag with stripper clips and a speed loader

I think a planed attack on a Saudi in the top floors is a good theory however none of these theories explain the pointless mass shooting for me. All it does is attract attention to their position, so rather than just eliminate paddock and stroll out of the hotel room they attract all sorts of law enforcement to their position and have to kill themselves. Doesn't make sense to me.

One thing however that's been in the back of my mind is the classic murder cover up technique which involves killing a few other people alongside your actual target to cover up a motive. Was there someone in the crowd who was a target? Maybe those apparent 'range finding shots' at the start was actually sniper rounds at this person?

Maybe the massacre was supposed to be a distraction to allow the assassination to take place? I also wonder if Campos big secret is that he let the two shooters go up the stairs but was too scared to fire back after getting shot at and shot. So many questions...

I like this idea. Like if in the middle of this chaos a couple of other hotel guests who just happened to be Saudi Princes got killed we could just roll them in with the body count and everyone moves on

Right, like those 4 Israelis that went missing for a few days and them popped up after. Lots of suspicion directed towards those guys on /pol/ anyways, but quickly dispersed. If they died, no one would pay much mind, similar to any rich Arab guy killed during the time would catch little notice. Except for the fact it was a country concert but still they like American stuff

Precisely.

Keep in mind that at this point, we are assuredly talking about Wahhabi, which are the Jihad kind of Muslims.

The kinds of people sent on this mission would have been at least somewhat influenced by the religious teaching that they would be rewarded for dying in the way that they did.

Maybe they realized they were screwed and the massacre was a way of going out with jihad points on their side for killing infidels. A way to go out on top doing what you believe to get you to heaven. Though it wasn't the initial plan. Also if they were this type I wouldn't think thy would killer themselves. I think thy would go down shooting.

Hmm... I know I'm late to the party here, but this actually explains the mass shooting better to me than any other ideas I've heard.

I have to say that it does that for me too...

Plus all of the gun fire coming from the room couls be used as a cover for the gun shots on the other floors.

Then there's the theory of shooters out on the one building near the crowd, and possibly in other locations. These could be snipers to shoot at the top floor if the prince got cloae enough. Or they could just be scouts to relay what they see on their end and what is happening at the ground.

Maybe the massacre was supposed to be a distraction to allow the assassination to take place?

Yes, typically assassins like to announce their presence with uproars of gunfire before taking out their targets.

Well this is of course given the theory that there was multiple shooters. It only takes 1 guy to shoot up the crowd and 1 other guy to kill the target ideally. And it wasn't supposed to be before, but during. Enjoy your snarky comment anyways if it makes you feel better

But why would they want to make chaos and attract attention?

Allegedly to distract from a bigger plot to set off a device of some sort is what I've heard tossed around. Maybe to let the more important members escape, as the underlings might be kept in the dark on the bigger plan. Shooting at the tanks may have been a warning, and when they murdered Paddock 'they' may have realized their original plot was foiled so just started shooting people to make up the difference. Idk, but guess we have to wait til the end of this year just to know Stephen's motive so gonna be a lot of speculating.

Also would have put the hotel on lockdown, thus keeping the target in the building.

Yep, false flag to throw the media off the trail

Did u even read the thing? Go back to points 4 and 5 from the updated version. It explains it.

That doesn't explain it at all

Yeah it really kinda does. I’ve been wondering all this time. Why the two single shots at the end. This is the best explaination I’ve read.

Yes I read it and it still doesn't explain why instead of just disappearing into the night they decided to attract a whole bunch of attention to themselves. No need to act all butt hurt because I questioned it, it's a good write up apart from that part.

Since you're having a little trouble, i'll explain.By the time they had realized the prince wasn't there, The SWAT had already gathered up most of the assassins. The attention was ALREADY on them. So no, they couldn't casually walk out, because I bet they weren't letting anyone out of that hotel.

They would have been stopped, and then the other assassins would have confirmed that they were the last two assassins, then they would all be dead.

SO one pretends to be a crazy lone gunman, while the other 'tries' to make a distraction (doesn't work). This would probably get them a prison sentence if caught, instead of a guaranteed death sentence.

I agree that is the biggest problem with the theory. Unless things went south and Paddock started causing problems. Still though, its a stretch.

Campos was shot inside the room. Campos was an op but for which side?

Source of Campos being shot in the room?

Don't have one. But to me it only makes sense. Paddock had no reason to shoot through the door if Campos was going to another room.

I think the two remaining assassins were given orders to create chaos/diversion for the gunfight involving the remaining assassins and the crown princes security detail. A heavy gunfight would attract local LE to their position and be outnumbered in a short amount of time.

This is plausible, thinking their escape was just a couple of floors above.

Why would they want to create chaos?

Massacre was a distraction. Could have been worse...

I'm also wondering, having flown into McCarron a few times, if (per OP's theory) they knew the Prince had already been evacuated from the Tropicana to the airport... Maybe, instead of 'creating a distraction' with the range-finding/sniper shots... could they have been taking shots AT a target at the airport? To me, desperate, last-chance shots at an airport target, followed by "Oh shit, the jig is up!"-fire into the crowd / create-dead-patsy-scenario seems plausable, as well.

What if the/a target was in the crowd though, nobody seems to have mentioned that, it's the only reason I can think of why they would in load on the crowd. Shooting at a target being evaced to the airport could be plausible though.

I think the FBI and CIA foiled the assassination plot, but had to cover it up for geopolitical reasons. They went with a mass shooting and made a patsy out of the last loose end they had, Paddock. That makes more sense.

For me, though, this all fell apart when Trump made a deal with Salman to make SA more liberal and stop funding illegal terrorism out of the goodness of his heart. No it looks more like Salman was going to dramatically change SA, to make it more liberal (more in line with what you'd expect from an industrialized nation) in preparation for turning SA one day into a seemingly western nation (with a rigged democracy and everything). These plans probably came as a result of the failed efforts to shut down American fracking in part, sure, but I think it's more about Salman's vision for SA. He'd also have to take out his political opponents, because if he plans on liberalizing the country, that means there won't be enough power left for his colleagues, colleagues that will benefit from continuing the monarchy, as they likely have aspirations of one day taking the monarchy, aspirations that come into conflict with Salman designing a new westernized power structure around his dynasty. The attempted coup was likely a first strike scenario, they knew what was coming. Trying to tie Trump into this as if he's some kind of saint trying to save all the oppressed people of the extreme muslim world is hilarious to me.

Well, if the plan was to kill Salman and the assassins didn't know that he wasn't in the crowd until they were up on the 32nd floor and received the call that he was being escorted out of the Tropicana, it's somewhat fair to assume that their plan was blown and they panicked and improvised. This could be why there isn't exactly a good reason for them to open fire on the crowd, but if the FBI/CIA walked into their Patsy, Paddock, dead, with the firearms and assassins missing, then they risk the U.S. intelligence warning Salman of the assassination attempt and leaking their names/the assassin's employer name to the king - who would then, of course, kill them all in retaliation. Not the best explanation, I know, but either way - it's looking like the assassins are screwed, so they improvise a not-so-well-thought-out plan and start shooting as a distraction to draw multitudes of police and ambulances and first responders to the streets, giving them more time and hectic-ness (?) to escape with as opposed to simply allowing the FBI/CIA to come after them unobstructed.

Again, this is just me theorizing and trying to contribute to the discussion. Hopefully more leaks and more information is revealed and we can start to make these ties more solidified. Could those range finding shots have been directed at who they thought was Salman, or where he was supposed to be instead of the Tropicana? This explains the reports of shooters and lockdowns at other casinos all around LV.

I think a planed attack on a Saudi in the top floors is a good theory however none of these theories explain the pointless mass shooting for me. All it does is attract attention to their position, so rather than just eliminate paddock and stroll out of the hotel room they attract all sorts of law enforcement to their position and have to kill themselves. Doesn't make sense to me.

I'm thinking FBI didn't know it was an assassination attempt ahead of time and it was just a routine ISIS gun sting. The Four Seasons was the best place for an assassination attempt but assassins couldn't get guns to the top floor of a Las Vegas casino hotel, but FBI would get guns up there for them in a sting of ISIS members. After Paddock was killed the assassins went to the Prince's floor and he wasn't there. FBI was waiting on Paddock's call to round up the ISIS members but he didn't call. Assassins realized it wasn't a real gun deal but a sting when they found all the empty magazines and that they were fucked, so they allah ackbared the crowd and suicided. But the FBI got the Prince out.

Signal to noise ration.

To hide the signal - inject noise into the system.

I researched the dead bodies a couple of weeks ago. Many lead back to online identifies which appear fake. That is - no pictures older than 2012, no friends in common with me. No family members posting on the deceased walls. No ability to find funeral plans. When memorials are held, few people show up.

What's the possibility that a some hacker out they had a bunch of shill accounts?

What's the possibility that these shill accounts are purchased as "proof" that someone died.

Who died? Where are their funerals? Who are there family members? What's the relationship of the Gofund me accounts? Friends? Family? What are the posts like on these funding sites? Close friends family members? Or people writing "i don't know you but..."

To tie in what "Q anon" has alluded to, what if the assassins were MS13 members and Campos was part of this group.

Ms13, the Democrats, and the Saudis are all linked.

Yup. That must be it. You figured it all out. What kind of crack are you smoking and which right-wing mouth-breathing fool told you MS13 is working for the democrats and saudis? What the actual fuck? Smh.

Mexican Killers doing the bidding of Hillary. Riiiiiiiight.

bravo.

Epic post my friend. This made my night. One aside as Im pondering this. Wouldn't is make just as much sense that the FBI fired on the crowd themselves to cover up both the failed assassination/coup and the potential arms deal revelation? And the friendly Trump reception by the King would simply be expressing thanks to Trump for saving his bacon?

I'm very impressed. However, I don't think paddock was real nor anybody died, which kind of puts a hole in the story. The rest sounds spot on though from what I know.

why 3 bodies in the hotel room?

Great read!!

Injecting water mixed with chemicals and gasses into porous materials doesnt seem like an enviromential issue to you?

it is but I doubt the rich care about that. not directly. if fracking was allowed but had regulations on it it could be done safely but much more expensively making it not worth it to do, not compared to buying oil from Saudi Arabia anyway.

That was great, not just the content and the ideas but the way you tell it. You make a convincing case!

Makes it sound like trump is for liberalization and wants to stop terrorism , what a good guy !

You filled just about every hole in the entire Vegas shooting narrative. Thing is, your theory doesn't have any hole at all. This explains so much. The Trump visit, the roundup of Saudi Royalty. The numerous shooting reports. The police radio chatter. That one guy who with his girlfriend met a middle eastern guy with a suspicious suitcase who threatened them and then ran. I kept thinking, the numerous shootings were distractions. But I also thought the MB shooting seemed a distraction. But, I do suspect one thing missing. Jesus Campos was lying. He wasn't shot or even injured at all. The building engineer was repeating a narrative even he didn't believe. They are plants designed to cover the truth. They are either plants by our guys or by the assassins and are being used to plant a false narrative to distract from the reality and reinforce the lone gunman narrative. You don't address the problem with the car that had tannite explosives in it. I have no idea why that was there. A distraction to aid a retreat? Something obviously went wrong with the attempt.

Well put. I think this is the best explaination too. But we need to help tie those lose ends given what we now know most likely happened.

Tanarite. Used to create a massive explosion at the airport fuel depot? Cover for helicopter extractions?

Campos. He’s a dimwit who’s being used to cover up and promote official narrative until the counter attack in KSA got rolling this week.

Ps. The whole opp went fubar on both sides bc that’s how these things tend to go when not enough lead time.

Ohhh. Now I see why the FBI went so hard core to cover this shit up. Duh!!!. They had to keep a lid on this because they were cooperating with the Saudi King so they had to pretend they had no idea what was going on. Keep the false narrative going to give him time to get his ducks in a row and make his arrests and purge. Otherwise, there would be another assassination attempt and the second time it might succeed. Oh, hell. I get it now. Makes perfect sense suddenly. That's why they help protect and control the fake hotel engineer and Campos. Poor Laura Loomer was chasing her tail trying to interview Campos. I did give her a good lead on the truth about multiple shooters but she went back too late to get the evidence other than one random bullet impact she managed to find. All the others were scrubbed by FBI. Gosh. the FBI worked their asses off to hide those impacts. They couldn't let the truth get out. Damn.

Exactly. This only makes sense with that as the backdrop motive.

Nice story. Good read. A lot of assumptions in the gaps, but why not. I learned somethings too

Sure beats the story the tv tells for covering stuff they keep ignoring.

Dude, good work.

I really dont think Trump is capable of making that deal. And if he was it really doesn't go along with his interests and what we've seen of his behavior. Interesting read though. Your effort is appreciated.

By far the best explanation I have read so far. I have shared on Twitter & on FB thank you for your insight!

I love the research but my main issues are as follows: - Donald Trump isn't some stalwart for women's rights and liberalism. If he was trying to get something out of the Saudi's I think the IPO is closer to the mark. The women's right's might be to ingratiate America to their cause but it's not cause Trump is demanding it. -What about the meeting with Kushner and the Saudis. Are we okay with non-documented coups being coordinate in secret by brother-in laws? If so, whatever, it's already happening, I'm just trying to be consistent. - What about Iran? We're hearing the drumbeats of war with Iran after the missiles into Saudi Arabia. Who's to say that the deal with Trump isn't for letting women drive but it's for bringing vast sums of money to the US (IPO) for him and his buddies to invest him while stoking war with Iran which would also increase the price of oil.

in general, I'm more anti-Trump / anti-I'm not sure if he knows what he's doing rather than thinking it's all planned out. Either way, interesting.

Don’t let your hatred of trump blind you to what reality is. Perhaps step back and take personal politics out and reread it from that perspective.

Also the woman driving move was really meant to draw out political opponents within Saudi who were more in the middle but had allegiances against the king. Brilliant plan really.

Hey. Pssssttt. Remember eight months ago when you were sure Podesta was about to be arrested and a satanic cult was about to be exposed? How did THAT reality turn out? Have you contracted cancer from chemtrails yet? Can magic crystals really dispell the NWO evil sky spiritz? Howd Jade helm turn out? Was it a good time?

they're waitin on trump to lock her up too

Nah i tend to look at peoples contirbutions as a whole. Im a big picture guy. Unfortuntely the picture youre trying to paint in more in line with a cartoon than reality.

no yours is cartoonish you mentioned a whole bunch of unrelated conspiracy theories, strawmen, like saying because those magic crystals are a crazy idea so must this post here

Yes, i was and am literally a part of the "conspiracy community" I made and helped others make money off your mindset. I know what crack youre smoking, i sold it to you. I can spot the crazy, chemtrail, greys, Illuminati stuff youre eating and selling from a mile away.

alright well that's cool, I'd like to hear more about how you made that stuff up, if you could prove it, that'd be some conspiracy debunked. but right now you sound unhinged

Why... just read a history book....9/10ths of the material Alex draws from is anti democracy propaganda from the French Revolution....seriously theres a reason the uneducated are easy prey. I mean c'mon just READ about the real, historical acount of the illuminati (just for instance) and compare that to how its been rebranded... ALL of this stuff is just rebranded old crap, made to look modern to scare you. Shiiiit a good portion of this stuff came straight from McCarthy....

what book, some are good some aren't cuz history gets written by the victors. I like people's history of USA tho for example. Yo uare too defensive, I am not saying you lied or anything but you can't say that just because magic crystals is false that means the theory in this particular thread is false. Two different things. Anyone can post to this sub so there are bound to be some people with wrong ridiculous ideas. Don't let that get you mad. I understand tho, this topic, 58 innocents killed, it's really tough.

Hey.. jackass Was Benghazi caused by a video like Hillary, Obama and Rice told us it was constantly after it happened? Was the Pissgate dossier financed by just the FBI or did Hillary and the DNC pay for it too Was the Penn state football coach raping little boys in the showers for decades? Was the DNC feeding Hillary debate Q and making their head feel like a "slave" her words! Was the DNC complicit in Bernie's losing the primary

Oh and hows that big RUSSIA COLLUSION criminal investigation w Mueller going? Only ones that colluded w Russia are the dems as far as he can tell.

LOL

Ill have what youre smoking? Who do you think helped sell you SoROs as a boogieman? Read my past, i love your narrative, keeping you confused makes me money.

You've spun a yarn, but in my opinion you've missed the big picture. Trump was there opening a new place called Center For Combatting Extremism (or something to that effect). It made a worldwide statement, that all countries would begin to turn against those citizens within them, that had become "extreme". It's got to do with economics sure. It's got to do with diversifying a portfolio, sure, but moves are made when convenient, but there has also been a push for many years, by progressive socialism and globalism, to work between the seams to gain the upper hand. One of the ways they do this is by changing warfare itself, and there was a man at Westpoint who wrote about the next generation of war being both cyber and physical. To skip to my point, I have this vast theory in my pocket that I've been developing for say 28 years, and I feel much of it is relevant.

Warfare is changing, and the next generation will be based heavily on COIN (CointerInsurgency) as a strategy. There are a lot of moving peices in my theory, but what it comes down to is that there will either be a new nuclear deal, or there will be a new nuclear arms/defence race, or there will be a new war. It will come down to whichever is more profitable, and that must take into consideration the inevitability of a thinning of the herd (one way or the other).

There are "re-education camps" in the UK now. Their first year saw 1500 people put in these regular looking government buildings. How long before guantanamo closes and reopens down the road? Just a matter of time.

To reiterate- this war on terror will eventually be a war against you and me. Society is closing. Information is a game and the peices always seem to fit, but how certain are you?

Ho confident are you, that your theory is the whole truth and that there isnt much more?

Whats happening in Lebanon now, is a huge setup. We need to talk more about war and yes economics, but more about war. I happen to know a thing or two about, that.

Can you link to UK re-education camps please?

Better than that.....I can provide proof to UK government subversion and allowing terrorists to infiltrate British society in order to destabilize it. Why would they do this? To destroy society from within. Order from chaos. Hegelian Dialectic. Thesis/antithesis. Problem, reaction, solution. They want the white right and the Islamic radicals killing each other in the UK and Europe. Proof of such is in this post.

https://clarityofsignal.com/2017/10/25/exposing-oz-katerji-and-the-uk-based-pro-fsa-and-white-helmets-terrorist-propaganda-networks-operating-in-the-united-kingdom/

might be in manuals but i was hoping to hear of actual cases of people being sent to them.

btw read up on The Lancaster Plan.

very frightening and feasible happening imo

I think the above narrative works even if you only assume a small number of assassins that were meeting with Paddock. A lot of the chaos could be from various security (hotel/fbi/police) doing searches at other locations and maybe finding one or two others.

The prince's security would only have sidearms and light body armor. Two people with heavy vests and assault rifles would have been plenty.

I really hope that a lot of this correct! What a time to be alive

"they dupe the CIA or FBI to supply the guns to the death squad"

why do they need to get guns this way. and not at a store.

Bc they threw this plan together too fast. They need lots of guns fast. And no risk of getting caught before going operational.

I think this theory works without that, they brought their own guns

Very interesting. What do you make of the recent news of Saudi Arabia claiming that Lebanon has declared war on the kingdom?

Literally only skimmed this and I see what's going on. Congrats and thank you.

Read the first half. Don't agree.

KSA upped production so prices would drop, at the behest of the US, to target the economies of Russia, Iran and Venezuela, all heavily reliant on oil/gas. That was around the same time those countries were being squeezed by America. It has diddly squat to do with fracking.

Shillary Clinton was one of the biggest promoters of fracking around the world, check the email leaks. Even Sanders pointed this out in the primaries. I don't know what's the deal with fracking, but it had absolutely nothing to do with the drop in the oil price. The idea that the Democrats under Hillary would have enforced enviromental regulations is delusional beyond belief. Didn't read beyond this nonsense.

If you go back to new articles from the timeframe, and follow the OPEC line of thought, this is completely backed up. OPEC has had a monopoly on not only oil, but the petro-dollar, ever since Nixon sold us up the river to the Saudis. YES, OPEC waged war on prices to kill the shale boom, and although not ALL 'new' shale/fracking businesses went under, plenty did b/c of OPEC's price drop. This was all over the news, both US and internationally, at the time. To suggest otherwise is either ignorance on the topic, at-large... or blatant negging of a rational theory proposed by the OP.

If this line of thinking was all over the main-stream media, then it's probably false. When have they ever talked openly about what is really going on, especially in areas as important as KSA and the oil industry?

I think it's not so much fracking but the IMF doesn't want Saudi Arabia to diversify it's economy because they're worried about the petrodollar becoming less valuable. I see IMF saying something is bad and that makes me think it must be good.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Vision_2030#International_speculation

I always felt this smelled like a gun deal gone bad. Great work.

Very nice larp but why did you throw the DNC in there? Wouldn't it be American agencies and not the DNC? I'm just not sure how that fits in your wall of text. Also Podesta and Clinton weren't arrested on November 4th.

Excellent work!

I'd like to add a thought that occurred to me reading your theory. Could it be possible that the deal was all set up by the FBI, Paddock (the asset) as the 'independent arms dealer', the FBI have the whole place bugged with cameras, wires etc so they can catch what they think are isis terrorists as soon as they do the deal, the assassins check in obviously under extreme surveillance and this is when the FBI find out they aren't isis terrorists like they thought but KSA assassins plotting to kill the prince. The whole plan goes tits up and they have to cancel, assassins realize they've been conned and go on the rampage as you said.

Wow epic plot twist of the year award. Saudi Arabi to Vegas and it makes sense! YES! Thank you!

Allah thanks you!

But why would they decide to commit a mass murder? Other than that I think this is good

This must be insider information

.

Good post, this is what conspiracy forums are made of, great evidence based deductions

Hm

Also, the arrest of Paddock's brother on child porn charges fits nicely into this. He started taking to the media too much, and already seemed like a weirdo, so it was time to make him go away.

CP is the perfect play. You never have to release the evidence to anyone.

different brother

COMPED

The video of the Tropicana exfil has stuck with me since the start. I took a pretty good frame and put it into Photoshop and cleaned it up as best I could and the guy at the back looks EXACTLY like the crown prince.

Holy. Shit.

I think you just solved the Vegas event. No joke.

Thanks. Can you share your photoshop comparison w us please.

https://imgur.com/NGs5Fs6

Not a photoshop, but if both beard and hair was shaved, is plausible, but a stretch. The way both walk however is pretty close.

However as of a week ago in interviews he still had his usual facial hair. So watch out for next time he's photographed within the next week or two and if it looks significantly shorter than in the past?

u/TheOuterDark

Prince Bandar. Is that the same guy that was best friends with the Bushs’? They called him Bandar Bush? There’s a scene in Bowling for Columbine where GHWB makes mention of a family friend named Bandar. Just curious.

That's him

sometimes there are rumors that Bandar bush is dead, there's been no proof of life of him since 2011

interesting. i'll have to check it out

Sounds like a Tom Clancy novel. I like it

Remember that Republican Bush and Cheney first worked with Saudi for 9/11... I'd edit the DNC part to be the Corporatocracy and remove the party bias... Saudi funded both parties and have a huge lobby in America that doesn't care about the party, but cares who is in power...

Yeah, as interesting as this is it comes across a little too much like blind praise for Trump. Am I supposed to believe he's really the good guy in all of this? Or that there even is a good guy? I don't know, it just seems too neat and convenient. And while I admit I don't like Trump and that may be making me biased here, we should probably also acknowledge that OP is a T_D poster with plenty of biases of his own. That may be skewing the interpretation of these events quite a lot, especially considering that they key points of this post are based purely on assumptions.

Thats not even a counter argument thats a ignorant line of thought coupled with not critical using thinking " OP is a trump supporter theory doesn't count". The irony of bias is the best part.

I wasn't presenting it as a counter-argument or trying to say that OP's theory doesn't count. If I was trying to do that I would point out that most of his key theories revolve around nothing more than assumptions that have no supporting facts. Let's go through some examples:

1) Leftists are pro environment so must be anti-fracking, and therefore that is why Saudi Arabia supported Hillary and payed leftists to convince the world fracking is bad. Not only is this ignoring the fact that fracking may in fact have some environmental risks and people might be concerned about this without being paid, it also completely ignores the fact that Hillary has always been fairly pro-fracking. And even if that weren't the case, it is still a complete reach to say that the one reason Saudi Arabia supported Hillary is because she would help them shut down fracking. This also ignores the fact that both Republicans and Democrats have been best buddies with Saudi Arabia for years. This isn't just a "leftist" or DNC thing, it's every major American politician.

2) Saudi Arabia is moving away from an oil based economy and wants Donald Trump to help them industrialize. Is any of this even true? I'm not super up to date on Saudi Arabian current events, but what evidence do we have that they are trying to diversify away from oil, that they asked the US to help, or that we are helping?

3) "The May 2017 meeting between Trump and King Salman (and his son Mohammad), was not just another meeting. It was a business meeting. King Salman asked Trump for help. Trump was more than willing to give it (like listing the oil companies on the NYSE) but his help would come with a price. Liberalization and the stop of illegal funding." What is this based on? This isn't even a theory so much as a story of how great of a businessman Trump is. OP speaks like this is all fact but what evidence is there that Saudi Arabia needs Trumps business advice? Are they trying to open a fraudulent school or something? Saudi Arabia is toning down their human rights violations slightly and this is because Trump forced them to in exchange for his amazing business advice? This sounds like a T_D circlejerk more than anything based in reality.

4) The assumption that all of the princes, businessmen, etc that were arrested or killed were the badguys. This has been posted around this subreddit a lot recently as if it were fact, but everything I have read elsewhere makes it seem like no one really knows who is good and who is bad here or why any of this is happening. OP paints a wonderful picture of the benevolent leader fighting off a coup attempt from the evil princes, but this could just as easily be a power-hungry prince eliminating all of his competition with support from the US in exchange for guaranteed arms sales in the future. Lets not forget that the prince who is taking power is also the one responsible for the war in Yemen. Seems like the perfect ruler for the American war machine to support.

5) Pretty much everything about the Las Vegas shooting. I've read a lot of the different theories about the massacre, and this is certainly one of them. I see several major issues with it though. First of all, those videos do not show what OP claims they show. The SWAT guys walking through the Tropicana appear to be escorting a medic and two other civilians, possibly casino staff. If they are protecting a VIP, they are doing an awful job of it. They don't even have him surrounded! And the supposed prince only bares a slight resemblance to the actual guy. The second video is even worse. It's literally a cellphone video of a grainy youtube video. Maybe it shows a dead body, but it's impossible for me to tell. You would think a shootout with trained assassins in a crowded casino would have more evidence that a deliberately difficult to see video. Also there's the fact that the shooting has a lot of signs that it was pre-planned and not just a spur of the moment decision by some assassins whose plan backfired. I absolutely believe there is more to this story than the FBI are telling us, but I'm not convinced that this is what happened. Certainly not with only this little evidence anyway.

And as for my bias, at least I was upfront about it. I don't like Trump, I think he's a corrupt businessman and he isn't concerned about helping anyone but himself. That alone isn't the reason I doubt this theory though. I doubt it because as far as I can tell, it is just a story that OP made up that sounds really cool. And it really does sound cool, it's some excellent writing and would probably make a good Hollywood movie. It's just awful convenient how it happens to make Trump, Kushner, and the current Saudi rulers look like the good guys while making the DNC, the FBI, and the ousted Saudis look like the bad guys. Things are rarely that black and white in real life.

and a month plus later "in retrospect" .. why has there been a media blackout on this story?

I'll tell you, becoz the 'official narrative', which was a lie, couldn't hold up and rather than dig themselves deeper into a hole, they got everyone to shut up. And thanks to the likes of Rupert Murdoch, who owns 80% of the worlds MSM, this is easily done

and where are all those wounded? Not even a whisper about funerals for the dead ... hmmm?

And when President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton created ISIS, they sent John McCain to go do it.

Fucking Karl Rove

Nice fan fiction mongoliod So many problems with this babbling incoherence. Well, I think the general idea and theory is solid but including the tropicana stuff and some of the other things is too far into the realm of speculation. Up until that point you could follow the facts. But for fucks sake the tropicana video is obviously a whoever was on duty, thrown together, all hands on deck, LEO team clearing the casino floor of potential threats. Maybe there were other shooters maybe not, but understandably they had to do due diligence. The guy in suit behind the officers was most likely the on shift head of casino security and the guy in street clothes was probably off duty head of security or high ranking security officer who came in for the emergency. He even appears to be carrying a hand gun case. They would of been leading the LEOs through the building seeing as they know the layout.

At the end of that video you can hear them saying to the officers "we're breaking off", and then walk a different direction while the officers say something to the effect of "let's do this". I'm speculating but I would guess the tropicana was cleared, and the security guys were going to the office to see the cameras or to attend to whatever other responsibility they would have in that situation whilst the LEOs were heading back towards the street to clear the next hotel.

Amazing work. Thank you! This is why I’m on here everyday and never bother reading or watching msm (except for a few gems like hannity).

Why would Trump wants stopping of illegal funding in order to help ? ISIS was USA's ground force in Syria. That part doesnt make sense.

ISIS was a lot more than a ground force in Syria. Remember they started and continue in Iraq. I'm friends with many Chaldeans who were displaced and slaughtered with the Yazidi. ISIS there were people they knew. People they had grown up with. Different branches of ISIS are different things.

Very well written. One thing that makes it seem like just a shooting is the fact that he opened fire right as the concert started.

Great post! I would like to point out there were some pretty obvious crisis actors on the scene during, and shortly after the event.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dQ17_LWFZs - This one's recently been censored from Youtube, but it was titled: Las Vegas Shooting Hoax EXPOSED | Compilation of Clips is 100% PROOF!, had a few thousand views and a lot of likes iirc.

http://vidhole.com/2017/10/mirrored-crisis-actor-las-vegas-shooting-confirmed/

http://vidhole.com/2017/10/las-vegas-crisis-actors-caught-in-lie-after-lie/

I'm not 100% sure how this fits into your hypothesis. I don't think it outright refutes it, but I do think it ought to be tweaked some to account for this. Thanks for the insightful perspective though, and keep up the good work!

I have to wonder how many randoms who weren't involved are likely to step in front of a news camera and claim they were involved.

You'd think crisis actors have been coached both in their responses, and in dodging questions that aren't covered by those responses.

Lol democrats, and Hillary/Bernie especially, supported fracking.. why would they go through all that trouble when the Saudis could just invest j American fracking companies?

Was it you in CBTS who posted originally or did you just copy and paste?

No, you copy it from another Internet website. I check your post with quetext.com. Here is where you copy the post from.

http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-las-vegas-shooting-and-the-mass-arrests-in-saudi-arabia-what-connection-could-there-be/

No, you copy it from another Internet website. Here is where you copy the post from.

http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-las-vegas-shooting-and-the-mass-arrests-in-saudi-arabia-what-connection-could-there-be/

My bad sorry about that. I'm just used to seeing people copying long post from Internet websites.

Down voted because you didn't hyperlink your CBTS reference and the post referred too. We need facts. Not unsourced allegations.

Ya not going back through 100+ threads in /pol/ just to prove a point. As long as the info is out there is what matters.

I already posted it on on my own subreddit. Trust me. It's all over twitter as well.

I like the entire theory except the arms deal/failed assassination attempt bit. I even think the Saudis were probably responsible for the Mandalay Bay Massacre, but I never liked the arms deal theory. Way too complicated for no reason. But the rest of this post is 10/10 imo. Good stuff.

Incredible post. This post has convinced me, a lifelong democrat who voted for Hillary, that Trump is extremely based and is 100% the best man for the job.

Ii have to admit, I was skeptical at first, but it does explain how they could try to get away through the other adjacent hotels that had gunmen in the lobbies that night. And look who wound up dead recently.

https://np.reddit.com/r/news/comments/7b6ikp/second_saudi_prince_abdul_aziz_confirmed_dead/

This story definitely has more substance than the Dorne plot in Game of Thrones.

It's very interesting, but what about all those eyewitness reports of multiple shooters on the ground?

Perhaps. But there wouldn't be 7 witnesses dead if they were so wrong.

There were multiple witnesses who experienced automatic gunfire in several locations. That's not seeing someone with a weapon. It's hearing a weapon being fired. It's not the same thing at all.

This is pretty amazing! Well done for the digging involved. Reading through this, and all the stuff that's come out lately make me feel super uneasy and unsafe with our government. Does it make you feel uneasy putting it out here like this? Just an honest question considering everything that has happened to those involved in this cover-up.

Listen to this guy lads. Look into Saudi Vision 2030 and it will make more sense.

This is the just beginning.

Their vision and just moving toward it will create war with Iran.

Fuck. That was awesome.

what about the 3 helicopters? Nice work tho...seriously.https://www.intellihub.com/ballistics-data-analysis-confirms-muzzle-flash-footage-from-room-32-134-genuine-gunfire/

coordinated mass shooting most likely, hard to fit in a "quick, re-group, load belt fed weapons" at what? 9:15?

PS F* THE SHILLS and TROLLBOXING

This is brilliant. Thank you.

Remember the weapons with scopes set up in two positions? I always thought that the first shots were a mob hit and the ensuing carnage the cover up. This fits within the narrative presented here. Just the wrong mob....

Look at the pictures in this article that could definitely be the guy being escorted at Tropicana.

"they lead him out of the casino and escort him to the nearest helipad to be picked up. BUT, on the way, they encounter some resistance from a few assassins."

what resistance are you speaking about?

thanks for the response. I also have an issue with the whole "covered up dead people" in loomers video.. it's one person and it's damn near impossible to tell if it's a person. good theory nonetheless.

It's grainy but that's for sure a body. Towel or something laid over it and definite legs and feet sticking out. Also, another witness describes in detail seeing a body in Tropicana. Both he and his girlfriend met a Middle eastern guy with a suitcase who claimed there was nothing in the suitcase but then laid it on the floor and asked them with a grin if they wanted to see what was in it. Then gunfire erupted in the direction this guy had been directing people. The man then ran toward the gunfire.

Source for this couple?

Sorry if I missed it, but can you explain to me again why they needed to set up an arms deal with Paddock if their goal was to assassinate a prince? Why didn't the assassin squad just bring their own weapons?

I was beginning to think the shooting was a firefight between two groups of people and the crowd was in the crossfire.

Idk man. The guys in Paddocks room May have been shooting at the crowd as a distraction so that the rest of the team could get away.

Anyways, if you post links to all the videos and reports inside your post, you will make this a top tier post.

/u/lonestarmike59 check this out!

I've been hanging out at that subreddit and I saw it earlier this morning.

Two things:

1. Why did Paddock need to be involved at all? Could it not be that his room was simply hijacked by these terrorists? We don't know when the guns were brought up, anyways.

2. I can't follow all these names. Is that Saudi prince who was escorted dead now?

1. is answered above. I quote "Paddock solves both problems for them. One, he can supply the guns. And two, he's a regular at the hotel, a big spender. So when he's bringing up huge amounts of luggage, no one looks twice."

Do you think the escort from the Tropicana led them to Hooters where all those ambulances were filmed? See video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3JwEbBMt-Q&amp;feature=youtu.be. Perhaps gathering sources for multiple firefights at other casinos would be helpful. I think this discovered after listening to the to the radio communications.

That was the designated triage -> ambulance response area

Surely there are better places to post disinfo than 4chan.

This is absolutely genius. They wanted to acquire untracable firearms so they had an illegal deal going down which mysteriously went bad. The FBI is corrupt as fuck, we all know this because of how they treated the Clitons. Figures they'd be complicit in protecting the government that helped sponsor the 9/11 false flag.

What I don't understand about this is why they would just start shooting into the crowd. Everything else makes sense, but this part -- I just don't think that's a rational reaction to what happened, and these guys were obviously super smart. Seems to me they'd take some guns, take the elevator down to the first floor, and book it. There will be some cops, but not enough to stop them with their larger weapons.

Could it be that some stayed behind while others got away? That the shooting was literally a real-time distraction? One guy stayed behind -- thus why the shooting was only ever from one gun. One stayed behind while two or three others got away.

Paddock was a gun runner no doubt. This explains the flight to PHX and the rental car drive back. Why not just fly back? Why even go to PHX? Something to pick up? Something that couldn’t be brought back on a commercial flight? Had to be driven in a rental car to a hotel in Vegas?

Gun runner move for sure. Weapons deal (he thought)

This theory is good.

Very interesting theory...

I would add two seemingly unrelated items that fit nicely within the overarching agenda of the Sunni Muslim agenda. The goal of Islam is world domination, not just regional influence or financial strength.

Test how the events described above fit with the recent release of OneGram, a gold-backed, Sharia-compliant cryptocurrency, along with the announcement of Neom, an all-inclusive 26,500 square kilometer multi-national, multi-cultural super community stretching across northern Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Jordan.

Iran threatens their ability to accomplish their Neom goals, as does Hezbollah (in Lebanon) and the entire Shia Crescent (including recent alliances made between Iran, Turkey and Russia) if they are not dealt with before they establish themselves as the regional power.

In the end, the United States also stands in the way of Islam's world-dominating agenda.

If every Muslim nation (and Muslim individual) adopted OneGram as the only means of currency in commerce, the US Dollar and all other world currencies (including the IMF's SDR) would quickly become obsolete, especially if the UN is behind Neom.

If the US Dollar stops being the world reserve currency, our world power status quickly dissolves because we will no longer be able to finance our existence through fiat monetary policies.

I find it awfully coincidental that the Saudis and UN both target 2030 for their respective agendas. Then again, this is just a theory...

Great theory! Not sure about the Tropicana escort tie in, but the rest is plausible.

Still ain't convinced that the shooting came out of paddocks room.

I believe only some of the shooting came from Paddocks room if any at all. More likely from the fourth floor and other locations.

There's a helicopter theory, I suggest you take a look at that and other videos. Then you draw the conclusion yourself.

This is very scary how the police is portraying the story so differently, I think I've seen enough evidence to make a solid conclusion.

I guess I'm wondering when they had time to plant tammerite in Paddock's car.....or maybe they never did and lied about it?

Big problem with this theory is that there are no visible bullet holes in any buildings, tents or the venue roof. There at no broken windows in the concert area as shown on video during the FBI cleanup.

Las Vegas Shooting FBI Clean Up Part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7AbiYhC6IU

Why the shit would they release to 4chan?

no one trusts MSM anymore but they have shills all over internet to get stories thru organically. which yes this could also be an example of

Such an immersion breaker. Check my post history, I’m a pretty unashamed skeptic, but I was actually having a slight “Whaaaaa” moment and going along with this.

Then I pictured some late-40’s FBI dude walking in, cleaning the scene, and saying, “Ya know where I think setting this conspiracy’s base would be best for myself and my intelligence organization? 4chan.”

You have based a whole theory around an assassination and you don't even know if the person was staying there. This seems fantastical.

Agreed, there are some crucial supporting details missing, though interesting cross reference between current events.

It's concerning that this thread has so many single post replies commending this post instead of asking clarifying questions that seem obvious. I did my best to ask a number of questions, hopefully I'll get a reply.

I hear you mate, I've got a friend who will believe everything before checking the veracity.. I liked the first part of the post but the LV thing seems half baked.

I'm starting to believe that Trump really is going to save the world.

Good theory. I see some of my suggestions here. I liked how you integrated them into your story. I think there is some details from MegaAnon that could had some validation to your story.

Can you expand on why you think they started firing into the crowd? That part doesn't make sense. Wouldn't international assassins have plans to escape as stealthily as they arrived?

I kind of get it, but why can't they just leave the same way they came in?

How do you explain or incorporate the fact that most of the gunfire was done with a belt fed machine gun and not a bump fire Ar-15? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mXe9dk77bk)

Now THIS is podracing!

That is the most batshit stupid thing I've ever read.

I still think this needs slight modifications, because it's too many guns for a simple assassination.

I think you're onto something with the fuel tanks. Note that those are not the tanks for public McCarran Airport.

They are for Area 51 Janet terminal, Sheldon Adelson's Las Vegas Sands Corp., 2 charter jet companies and a touring helicopter company (the kind that make no noise).

I would watch this on TV. I would suggest you look at #3 again. If the assassins knew the Prince has 30 or so armed guards would they not be with the escort team? I do not see 30 agents that are tasked with saving the Prince anywhere near that group. They are not going to leave his life in the hands of several armed agents when the attack seems to be widespread.

But... this didn't work either. Fracking continued. And then, a shitstorm of reality hit them hard.

Some detail here. Not only did fracking continue, the pressure on fracking coming from lowered crude prices caused the industry to work harder and develop better and cheaper methods to extract the oil from shale. The wells also went from recovering about 5% to recovering around 17% and with the new technology in the works to improve those recovery rates to around 25% in the near future as well as expand the length of time a well will be useful. So, production INCREASED from the fracking wells and is expected to continue to rise for the next 50 years. Also, those states where fracking is illegal, some of them may give a green light on Fracking as their economy worsens due to liberal policies and they look for more tax revenue.

All of this made sense to me until I read the part that almost seemed to suggest that Trump wanted Salman to stop illegally funding terrorists and make SA more liberal, out of the goodness of his heart or some shit. It started falling apart there, and then continued falling apart when SA assassins started shooting Americans to avoid drawing attention to their presence at Mandalay smh.

I buy Trump got Saudi's to become more moderate since one of the princes arrested was the guy Trump tweeted this at last year,

"Dopey Prince @Alwaleed_Talal wants to control our U.S. politicians with daddy’s money. Can’t do it when I get elected. #Trump2016 "

Soon as I saw his name I knew Trump had gotten SA on our side. MAGA!

The rest...I can take or leave.

Someone that Trump doesn't like getting arrested by SA doesn't make SA "on our side". There was a coup against Salman (probably because Salman is going to Westernize SA, which will destroy any hopes of the other royals becoming monarch in the future when he puts into place a certified rigged democracy like us). Obviously after a coup you're going to imprison and kill your adversaries.

The "Dopey Prince" is the single largest investor in Twitter and has given LOTS of money to the Clintons, DNC, Silicon Valley, media, etc... He was as crooked as a bag of snakes.

The Turkey Coup(lol) was obviously a setup that was pro-extremist, the Saudi coup isn't. I hated the fact that Trump's first trip was to SA and how buddy buddy he looked there. In hindsight, he was so happy because he got the anti-extremist Saudi's on our side.

He was as crooked as a bag of snakes.

In hindsight, he was so happy because he got the anti-extremist Saudi's on our side.

That's the veil pulled over peoples' eyes. There's no such thing as pro or anti extremism Saudis. Extremism is a tool used to achieve geopolitical goals. Radical terrorists are just mercenaries.

Remember that crazy movie titled, "Salmon Fishing in the Yemen"? It was based on a book authored by an obvious British spook named Paul Torday (unlikely his real name). Go to amazon.com and read the synopsis and reviews of his other spooky books which involve children who "go missing" and characters afflicted by unusual and unhealthy compulsions.

Look, I may be newer to the conspiracy community but this just seems way over the top to be believable. Of course there are some aspects and components that are realistic but together it sounds like an R-rated Disney action movie.

Top-notch thinking and write-up!!
Still not satisfied on the shooting of the crowd though. I think the crowd shooting has more to it. Why why why shoot up a crowd for 40 min? It would also be nice to know how many of the AR’s had bump-stocks. Also nice to know why the hammer was in the room (could it be planted?) Also why all the video monitoring? I know it’s very hard to address these questions because we’re not privy to the evidence. Maybe someday an anon will deliver more goods.

Crowd was only shot at for 10 mins.

Just to add to the chatter, and to further explain where the security footage went: The CCTV systems in the Mandalay Bay are most likely from an Israeli company with deep shadowy connections. Interesting to see this office in Reston, obviously servicing contracts for their Neighbors. http://www.casinovendors.com/vendor/nice-systems/

Very good theory. I think you've hit much of what probably happened.

That is such a good story and you tell it so well.

I have to say, the gentleman being escorted out of the Tropicana does favor the Crown Prince (see pic below)

http://www.arabnews.com/sites/default/files/2016/04/23/file-23-Deputy-Crown-Prince-Mohamed-bin-Salman---Bloomberg.jpg

If the assassins spontaneously started firing on the crowd why were there reports that there were people at the concert setting off firecrackers to distract the crowd to the fact they were being shot at?

Questions: * If some assassins are already captured, why would the last few in the hotel room panic and mass murder? * In the leaked photos, there's a sledge hammer that supposedly broken the glass, do assassins carry hammers on their person? * Even if the rifles weren't preloaded, does it really take a professional gunman that long to load their tools of the trade? * Why is the escorted VIP in the Trop not dark skinned or bearded? * Why would the gunmen fire so many volleys if they were so nervous about getting caught and knowing they were exposing themselves to capture? * How would LVMPD not see that the FBI had already entered the hotel room? Did they also stage the explosive breach? * Why would a failed assassination lead to war with SA? Why punish the victim?

Thanks.

I don't shoot, but I Google. Sure seems easy to remove a magazine and load in a new one in a few seconds, especially if I've trained my muscle memory to do this in high stress environments, with my eyes closed. When you say "reload" do you mean take an empty mag and place 100 bullets in it? I've assume each mag was already loaded with bullets.

Re: #9, if they wanted a distraction, why not blow the vehicle full of explosives? Even still, why would professional soldiers not have an exfil plan in place that didn't require an escalated event with hundreds of victims? I always assumed low key was the way of assassins.

Your theory is an interesting cross reference of current events, but the details are a bit shaky (which is to be expected with such a large scale event with potential for cover ups).

Some guys are saying that it's impossible to reload 100 round mags in avg of 40 sec. You're saying it's too long of a time?

Not at all. Unlike v/truthzealot I do shoot, a lot and I'm a 'Nam vet. No one that I have ever seen can load a hundred round mag in 40 seconds. Loading a mag into the gun can be done in less than 40 even by a neophyte. Loading the rounds into the mag (they don't come pre-loaded) is much more time consuming. It's also harder than most people realize if they have never done it. Your thumb gets sore really fast and if you keep going you'll wear the skin off.

One more point I'd like to make, what I heard in all the videos was not a bump stock firing, it was full auto and one of the guns was a belt fed. I could distinguish two calibers, a 5.56 x 45mm and a 7.62 x 51mm. The 7.62 sounded similar to the M60's we used in 'Nam, yet different. It was very familiar, I had a hard time placing it. Finally it dawned on me, it was a Fabrique Nationale. To be exact it was an M240B belt fed. Yet a belt fed was never mentioned in the "official story." Most people might buy that lie, but I know better. Also the room Paddock was in should have been littered with spent brass. That stuff adds up fast when shooting full auto. I saw 100 rd 5.56 mags in the room but no spent brass. It should have been wall to wall on the floor.

Now, the belt fed guns are only legal to own by a select few citizens. Any full auto made after 1986 (law) can only be possessed by certain citizens.

If you would like to hear one and see one being shot. Here's a video of my 11 year old grandson shooting one. He's very safe and loves guns so I decided it was time to introduce him to full auto: Video

That's the sound I heard in the videos. All guns and calibers have a slightly different sound. I've been around them enough to be able to distinguish a lot of them just by their sound.

So we're saying the same thing, right? Reloading a mag is very fast, but loading rounds into a mag is not.

If it was belt fed, does that imply such a weapon was hidden in a cover up?

Also, how many rounds are in a single belt?

If it was belt fed, it appears to be even easier to reload than a magazine. So we're back to the drawing board on why the reload interval was so long (especially if we assume these were trained gunmen).

Loading mags by hand takes time dipsh!t.

So they took another step. To convince the world that fracking was bad for the environment.

Gonna stop you right there. While true that fracking fluid is mostly water and sand, they also use chemical agents that remain underground to hold the fissures open. Those chemical agents can be a number of different things, they're real vague about what they are actually and so I have to assume that what they are pumping down there is actually bad for the environment. You would have to be supremely naive to believe an energy company, who had the potential to make billions of dollars doing this, wouldn't use dangerous chemicals in their process if it meant extracting the oil/gas more efficiently.

It was just a sticking point for me, I think the rest of the post shakes out but that part was a bit of a stretch for me because we all know the history energy companies have.

OPEC has a shelf life because the Oil will eventually run out, no idea when that will happen but I agree that it will happen soon. It may not happen in the next decade but I suspect I will live to see the end of OPEC.

You should also add how the lack of funding from the DNC affected the Nov 4th protests.

The Jesus Campos part of the story is lacking. Supposedly they fired 200 shots at him, and he only got hit once in the leg? He then did not check into any ER or clinic for another eleven days, and managed to drive to Mexico, with a leg wound. By the way, almost all leg wounds are fatal. He would have to be extremely lucky for the bullet to not tear through his major artery, muscles, and not crush his bone. Also, he is not even registered to be a security guard in Nevada. So I get the feeling that he works into this story in an entirely different capacity.

There is definitely truth to your theory, and I think it is a great idea to state the theory and then work backwards from there, filtering out and refining the parts that dont fit. It's always one step closer to the truth. I think that whatever role Campos played was certainly sinister. And I think his bullet wound is totally false. Cant question a "hero" right?

Very good job here! This shit reads like a Tom Clancy novel....but there is a lot of evidence out there of a Saudi operation and I think much of this points in the right direction. This shits going to get buried for the “betterment of National Security,” by those who know all to well what happened. I have a feeling that a lot of loose ends are gonna get taken care of soon. I know they’re have been deaths already but I think that may be only the tip of the iceberg.

I believe at least half of your narrative is true, as the CIA has been doing such things for decades.

How do you feel this recent breaking news fits into your theory?

Well written!

Put together a script and I'll run it by Weinst.. oh wait.

Possible the assassins were from the Black Cube organisation?

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7bct34/harvey_weinstein_used_exmossad_agents_and_an_army

Possible.

Also possible:

Saudi MS13 Iranian

Did anyone else get the lol message from the attackers? Oct 1

By the way, this article was on the front page of Google Finance today: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/06/technology/unsavory-sources-money-fueling-tech.html

Trump defeated terrorism in less than a year?

100% for sure

I read one of your earlier posts about Vegas, and I thought it seemed pretty believable, but this takes it to an entirely different level. Great job. I do have a few things that I am trying to make sense of.

1. If the FBI/CIA thought they were going to be selling guns to terrorists why would they pick a room overlooking a music festival with 25,000 civilians? I know the idea of being hidden in plain sight, but there must have been other rooms that could have been used.

2. Is it possible that Campos was also FBI? I suspect if the FBI had a major gun deal going down, they would want agents in surrounding rooms or the hallway incase something goes wrong. I think Campos and the other maintenance worker who came forward may have been FBI agents posing as hotel security and maintenance workers. Doesn’t really change your theory since he could have still gotten shot when trying to move in.

3. Why wasn’t the man being escorted protected from his rear? All of the people doing the escorting are in front of him leaving his backside completely vulnerable

4. The thing I am having the hardest time understanding is the financial ties. There were MGM stock sell-offs beginning in early September including huge put options by George Soros. In addition to that, stocks related to gun manufacturers began to climb around the same time. Based on this information as well as my first point (which I don’t think is just a coincidence), I think the plan all along involved shooting into the crowd at least some number of rounds. Whether that was to create a diversion away from the real assassination attempt or not is difficult to understand. I want to believe that firing on the crows was just a spur of the moment decision like you seem to imply, but based on the financials I don’t think that is the case. Do you have a possible explanation for the events if this part of the attack was premeditated? Were FBI agents going to take out the shooters in the middle of the attack to be heroes?

Thanks again for a great theory.

Great post! Its been a log time since I enjoyed a post like that. Really thought provoking

I'm thinking FBI didn't know it was an assassination attempt ahead of time and it was just a routine ISIS gun sting. After Paddock was killed the assassins went to the Prince's floor and he wasn't there. FBI was waiting on Paddock's call to round up the ISIS members but he didn't call. The quickly escorted the Prince out.

Trump tweet: We have a tragedy, and what happened in Las Vegas is in many ways a miracle The Four Seasons was the best attempt for an assassination but assassins couldn't get guns to the top floor of a Las Vegas casino hotel, but FBI would get guns up there for them in a sting of ISIS members.
It's a tragedy that the mass shooting happened. FBI wasn't expecting a shooting that day because normal ISIS gun stings don't open fire on the first crowd they see.
But it's a miracle they were there when the assassins tried to take out Prince Salam and it will alter the course of history for the greater good.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-07/pepe-escobar-inside-story-saudi-night-long-knives

Prince Salam came up with Vision 2030. Theoretically, it was shift away from oil; selling off part of Aramco; and an attempt to bring in new industries.
Before the purge, the House of Saud’s incessant spin centered on a $500 billion zone straddling Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt, on the Red Sea coast, a sort of Dubai replica to be theoretically completed by 2025, powered by wind and solar energy, and financed by its sovereign wealth fund and proceeds from the Aramco IPO.
In parallel, MBS pulled another rabbit from his hat swearing the future of Saudi Arabia is a matter of “simply reverting to what we followed – a moderate Islam open to the world and all religions.”

Earth's temperature is increasing and it is not because of global warming, we're leaving an ice age, it's natural. The Saudis won't be able to live in the desert anymore safely, they are going to have to move to the coasts and they are going to have to redevelop their entire economy to do so.

I'm thinking FBI didn't know it was an assassination attempt ahead of time and it was just a routine ISIS gun sting. After Paddock was killed the assassins went to the Prince's floor and he wasn't there. FBI was waiting on Paddock's call to round up the ISIS members but he didn't call. The quickly escorted the Prince out.

Trump tweet: We have a tragedy, and what happened in Las Vegas is in many ways a miracle

The Four Seasons was the best place for an assassination attempt but assassins couldn't get guns to the top floor of a Las Vegas casino hotel, but FBI would get guns up there for them in a sting of ISIS members. It's a tragedy that the mass shooting happened. FBI wasn't expecting a shooting that day because normal ISIS gun stings don't open fire on the first crowd they see. But it's a miracle they were there when the assassination attempt on Prince Salam took place and it will alter the course of history for the greater good.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-07/pepe-escobar-inside-story-saudi-night-long-knives

Prince Salam came up with Vision 2030. Theoretically, it was shift away from oil; selling off part of Aramco; and an attempt to bring in new industries.
Yet Vision 2030 cannot possibly work when the majority of productive jobs in Saudi Arabia are held by expats. Bringing in new jobs raises the question of where are the new (skilled) workers to come from.
Before the purge, the House of Saud’s incessant spin centered on a $500 billion zone straddling Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt, on the Red Sea coast, a sort of Dubai replica to be theoretically completed by 2025, powered by wind and solar energy, and financed by its sovereign wealth fund and proceeds from the Aramco IPO.
In parallel, Prince Salam pulled another rabbit from his hat swearing the future of Saudi Arabia is a matter of “simply reverting to what we followed – a moderate Islam open to the world and all religions.”

Earth's temperature is increasing and it is not because of global warming, we're leaving an ice age, it's natural. The Saudis won't be able to live in the desert anymore safely, they are going to have to move to the coasts and they are going to have to redevelop their entire economy to do so. The assassination attempt allows King Salman to clean house and drain the royal swamp of any Sunni Waheeb heirs who don't agree this is what they have to do. The country has to become more liberal in order to bring in workers in order to build a $500 billion city in 8 years.

It's a miracle but we are draining the source of the D.C. swamp.

Alwaleed bin Talal DOES NOT own the four seasons in Vegas. He owns the George V in Paris, which is managed by Four Seasons and hes in an Investor in Four Seasons as a whole. But make no mistake, MGM Resorts OWNS the "four seasons" branded and managed floors at the top of Mandalay Bay

Alwaleed bin Talal does NOT own the four seasons above mandalay bay. He owns a large stake in Four Seasons Resorts which MANAGES those floors branded as four seasons. MGM resorts still owns those floors. The only hotel he actually owns is the George V in Paris,which is also managed by four seasons.

Remember that people critisized Trump for saying that it was a MIRACLE? Well going on this theory it seems like this situation could have been waaaaay worse had they pulled of a murderous coup right in a US hotel. Not minimizing the deaths that happened by any means but had this situation gone down this way wow it would have been a NIGHTMARE!!

this is straight up "Smokin' Aces"-type shit

Whoa.

Scared shitless for knowing things?

Costs have been dramatically reduced with new techniques while output has increased from about 5 percent of the actual oil in the shale to about 17 percent with conservative estimates of an increase to about 25 percent in the near future. So oil produced from fracking has gone up in spite of the glut of world wide oil supplies and lowered profits. Fracking is not stopping but rather increasing. The Saudis are in major trouble. This is why this theory makes so much sense to me even if there are a few gaps in the theory. BTW, I've worked in Bakken oil field. It's a great place to work if you can get on a crew. High pay and great food if you are in the right place. Make sure your contractor has a place for you to stay and pays your room. Otherwise I would skip on it. Even Walmart pays their cashiers about 20 bucks an hour.

This is the only hole i can poke in OP's story.

Hillary being the scumbag she is i'm sure she played both sides of the game, but still - your statement stands.

Sure she could have used that as leverage, as in to say she told them she would change her position on the matter if they were to come to an agreement (considering everybody had expected her to be the next POTUS.)

I have to wonder how many randoms who weren't involved are likely to step in front of a news camera and claim they were involved.

You'd think crisis actors have been coached both in their responses, and in dodging questions that aren't covered by those responses.

The neoliberal corporate Democrats are decidedly pro fracking. Hillary would never have actually done anything to ban it.

Well the Saudis didn't pick her, exactly. But the DNC in general is their best hope to curb US energy production.

Yeah, as interesting as this is it comes across a little too much like blind praise for Trump. Am I supposed to believe he's really the good guy in all of this? Or that there even is a good guy? I don't know, it just seems too neat and convenient. And while I admit I don't like Trump and that may be making me biased here, we should probably also acknowledge that OP is a T_D poster with plenty of biases of his own. That may be skewing the interpretation of these events quite a lot, especially considering that they key points of this post are based purely on assumptions.

Came here to say this.

She doesn't really have a long history of being very consistent on her positions though, does she?

No, you copy it from another Internet website. I check your post with quetext.com. Here is where you copy the post from.

http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-las-vegas-shooting-and-the-mass-arrests-in-saudi-arabia-what-connection-could-there-be/

No, you copy it from another Internet website. Here is where you copy the post from.

http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-las-vegas-shooting-and-the-mass-arrests-in-saudi-arabia-what-connection-could-there-be/

Exactly

Then show me concrete evidence. Most of what gets posted here is just some random dumbass on YouTube or jewsareevil.blogspot.ru

Is there any verifiable info tying in the Saudis? All I'm seeing is OP's recollection that the top floor might have been rented all week and its ownership. What info places anyone from the Saudi family there during the shooting? The evac video could show a person of Arab descent or some other random rich person.

Maybe they were fooled?

And when President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton created ISIS, they sent John McCain to go do it.

Depends which way you cut that check.