Spacey, Singer. soon Allen, Geffen and Clinton(s)

and trump who fucks little girls on lolita island.

Even locally here in Canada there are now multiple places donating proceeds from holiday purchases toward fighting human trafficking.

What if someone with organizational power wants you to think it's being taken care of, softly changing the narrative away from specific investigation into the local case of Comet Ping Pong Documents & Podesta Mails

good point... back to the darkness we go.

in the spirit of this sub my guess would be limited hang-out.

throwing some pawns under the bus to keep everyone distracted while the big fish swim away...
but yes, regarding the increase in arrests and awareness: the more the merrier.

Essentially this.

The Roy Moore media debacle was also a psy op and part of this limited hangout. I believe he's guilty as sin, but instead of us all uniting against the elite pedo's regardless of party, they are "politicizing" these cases of pedophilia/sexual abuse to divy up the population and divide us on the issue. The republican hillbillies all thought he was a saint, and the other side claimed he was the devil.

See what I mean? We should be uniting under the issue. Now they can make any case of political/elite pedo's and child abusers look like politically motivated witch hunts. Dont fall for that shit.

Keep calling out their bullshit.

The Clinton foundation is still up and running. No investigation was carried out at Alefantis' Pegasus museum, or whats happening in the underground tunnels in DC. So as far as pizzagate goes, we know very little about what actually went down, and if any of it was real. Although its way too late now, they're not dumb enough to carry out trafficking in the same place they almost got busted in.

No investigation was carried out at Alefantis' Pegasus museum, or whats happening in the underground tunnels in DC.

Journalists in Washington DC.... get out there and dig. (expects an assassination attempt and 10+ downvotes for this)

This

crickets from the shills

Then go to the police. Oh right no record of it.

I don't know if this is the thread to ask this but with all this human trafficking going on, am I crazy to think that there is something much, much bigger than "just molestations" and sexual inclinations (I hate to say it that way)?

I've felt like this ever since I was a little boy and all of these recent stories coming out are making my mind race and skin crawl.

Pizzagate is fake, you mean a hoax brought awareness? How can I can troll the people who knowingly spread a hoax for political reasons? You think it's okay to slander innocent people because more people are taking about pedophilia now? Lets falsely accuse more people of more crimes, maybe that will bring awareness?

How can I can troll the people

It's totally normal for your prerogatives when participating in online discussion to be to chastise and shit on people you disagree with, no wonder this sub is such a bastion for objective civil discourse.

How do you even have downvotes for saying such a thing?

How does the dismissive and narrow-minded comment have more people who agree with it than yours? This sub is upside down with trolls and shills.

Can't say I didn't expect them, just goes to show exactly what you're saying.

They are trying to bury Pizzagate before it resurfaces again into the mainstream

You confuse me for a variety of reasons that I don't even want to get into. Just putting that out there.

The only thing that is fake about Pizzagate was the false flag shooting at Comet Ping Pong where the imdb actor with a dad who worked in the CIA and had previously run over a teenager in his car shot the computer server in the closet of all things.

and the fact that pretty much every single Podesta email can be explained away rationally

and that gay cannibalism statue at Tony Podesta's house. Total photoshop!!

and the nonsensical claim that Jaime Al Enfantis threatened a man. Fake fake fake! Even David Brock's foundation debunked it right away, and told all journalists of the world that a new term is now given to them by his mind "FAKE NEWS" people.

gay cannibalism statue

God damn, do I love PizzaGate. Keep up the great work guys!

and that gay cannibalism statue

HA! This is awesome!

Hey Champ, the Arch of Hysteria was completed years before any of the Dahmer crime scene pics were seen outside of the courtroom. So you either have to believe a) little 84 year old Louise Bourgeois flew from Manhattan to Wisconsin to attend the 1993 trial and gather this inspiration... or b) this statue has nothing to do with anything remotely "gay" or "cannibal".

Here's some academic dialogue of the piece, although you may find it to be a bit above your pay grade.

You've been a redditor for 11 days, and you're already a disgrace.

Tony Podesta chose to decorate his house with that figure, out of all possible figures. It is a Dahmer symbol, and Moma.org adds a comment about repressed sexuality (see the connection to John's kiddie paintings and hotdog stands yet, dumbo?):

" mean they couldn’t figure out because there was no physical reason for this kind of bodily reaction. They thought it had to be some sort of mental trauma, whether it was repressed memories or connected to psycho-sexual repression" https://www.moma.org/audio/playlist/42/681

You've been a redditor for 11 days, and you're already a disgrace.

Allow me to correct you. This ID is 11 days old. I don't want to risk my primary ID (which is much, much older than yours, BTW), as there is a tendency around here to silence anyone who doesn't suckle at the pizzagate tit.

It is a Dahmer symbol

Prove it. Explain to me how Bourgeois was influenced by Dahmer when creating this piece.

(see the connection to John's kiddie paintings and hotdog stands yet, dumbo?)

No. Enlighten me. This should be good.

I don't expect this post to spread 'the news' about pizzagate to new ears. I expect you to flag my username and ask some hacker to identify me so you can find me and poison me, f***ing 11-day-scumbag-account.

Sheesh, paranoia much?

I don't want to risk my primary ID

You require proof from others, so let's be 100% skeptical here and consider the possibility you have something to hide on your main account. BTW, usernames have never gone under the slang 'ID' on here. Strongly suspect you don't belong on this site, or you wanted to hide a bias apparent on your main account.

Explain to me how Bourgeois was influenced by Dahmer when creating this piece.

Why are you playing this game where you pretend to not see Podesta's possibly influence when exhibiting the piece. F*** what the artist thought originally. If the Podestas are into portraits of captured bodies in agony, and some of those are of children, then you must have a really good reason to divert attention away from the exhibitors and back onto the artist. Which leads me to

Enlighten me. This should be good.

The connection between Dahmer symbol, the kiddie portraits is a combination of sexual undertone, the portrayed as someone seemingly kidnapped, and the easy connection to the two occurrences in Podesta's emails where at some point a "torture chamber" is mentioned as Podesta's location, and "a hot tub with kids" is mentioned as being ready for Podesta's arrival.

Strongly suspect you don't belong on this site, or you wanted to hide a bias apparent on your main account.

Again, I couldn't give two squirts of piss what you suspect. I'm only here to call our your flawed logic regarding pizzagate.

Podesta's influence when exhibiting the piece.

Why are YOU playing the game where renowned art collectors like Tony and Heather Podesta shop for art like you shop for trinkets at a roadside tourist trap?

This piece has very specific meaning, and it's meaning is well known in art circles. You want me to believe that he purchased this piece at great expense because it reminded him of a Dahmer photograph from a crime textbook that he 99.9% likely never even saw? You're delusional.

The connection between Dahmer symbol, the kiddie portraits

Identify which of those "kiddie portraits" Tony Podesta owns or owned.

I'll help you out: These two. Neither of which could be considered even remotely pedophilia-related, except in the demented pizzagater psyche.

"torture chamber" is mentioned as Podesta's location

You can't possibly be this thick, right? Here's some context for you: This email was sent on 1/31/14. Aside from the fact that you have to be some kind of sick fuck to read this and say,m "AH HA! CHILD SEX ABUSE"... this was also the timeframe right before the Podesta's filed for divorce in April. Do you think maybe, just maybe, this could be a reference to marital strife, and not a literal torture chamber? It is exactly the kind of thing I'd say to my sister if I had been fighting with my husband.

No... you're right, it's gotta be kid fucking.

and "a hot tub with kids" is mentioned as being ready for Podesta's arrival.

Jesus CHRIST. [Learn your own retarded narratives.] At NO place in that e-mail does it mention a "hot tub", let alone "ready for Podesta's arrival".

If you can read that entire exchange I have linked, and see anything but a friendly invite and discussion between about 8 women and 9 men (most with children of their own), then you are one sick puppy.

dreams back to Podesta's incredible hotdog stand.

It's an inside joke, Einstein. People with stressful jobs often joke with their friends about "quitting the rat race" and doing something relaxing. I have a brother who jokes about becoming a float guide on the Colorado instead of doing insurance. I guess he's a pedo, too, right? What is "float guide" translated to in your 4chan Rosetta stone.

Honestly, you guys creep me the FUCK OUT.

You're John Podesta :D

:) YOU GOT ME HUN!

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you may find it to be a bit above your pay grade.

So you got to keep your insulting post! Congrats!

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Don't forget about the Laura Silsby connection and James Alefantis' disgusting instagram posts.

This is the reality, not sure why your being downvoted. This sub has been infiltrated by a ton of people who only try and discredit pg. that should be a huge red flag people.

It is. No one believes the downvote/upvote count anymore and it does nothing but show what is trying to be hidden.

This is a pretty solid highlighter of what the pedocrats are afraid of as talking points. Which thing does their 24/7 defense squad mobilize for? Lizard overlords? Nope. Flat-Earth? Nope. Their pedophile activities? Ding ding ding.

Using all of the same talking points and copy-pasta, sliding discussions, on the same accounts that wake up from their several month slumbers because defending Podesta got their blood boiling.

Tl;Dr: No one is fooled.

I will say that flat earth gets the same kind of shill defense squad as pg.

I don't know if the voting system here was ever seen as credible, but you hit the nail on the head.

we're winning and they know it

It's hard for the truth not to win over a long enough period of time.

it is a free wind that blows against the empire

Yeah questioning a witch hunt of innocent people based on nonsense from 4 chan is a red flag. How dare we question a obvious hoax?

Witch hunt... innocent... I think your missing some crucial bits of information. Were you paying attention to the spin on MSM after the actor shot the hard drive?

The child sex ring was fake too

Lets falsely accuse more people of more crimes, maybe that will bring awareness?

That line and the vehement denial of Pizzagate is starting to really get old here.

People lurking, don't take this joker's word for it. Do your own research.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBSvUlkB61s

I'm sorry dude but I did some research and watched the link that you provided me the other day. There is just no real evidence of it

Hey, lurkers! Wanna dive into some original pizzagate material to see some of the info from early on, as opposed to a narrative and show over the media? Here's some links https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7e4zw4/z/dq31bvu

If its starting to get old then produce some victims and I will say I was wrong. So far you produced triangles, and art, and pasta but no victims

Antinous, a famous Greek boy lover

Antinous was considered an adult during his time. His statue was used as a gay rights symbol since the 70's.

His followers and friends on social networks sure seemed to joke a lot about cp.

No they don't. They make a few jokes that people chose to interpret as joking about CP. There's 10x more references to it on any random /b/ thread then the entire Instagram account.

What about Podesta, handkerchief and pizza?

Well what about it? A guy got an email asking about a "pizza related map" on a handkerchief. Weirdly worded, sure, but it's far more likely that it was just typed in haste or by someone who's grammar isn't all that great than it is to be some sort of code. And even if it was a code, the only "decoder" was a thread on 4chan, since none of those words are CP code words.

Anyway, I'm not here to say PG is real or it definitely is a Hoax, people can do their own research.

This right here is the issue. A lot of people like to pretend that there's two equivalent sides to every matter and "do your own research". No. There's the side that supported the harassment of an innocent business owner for close to a year and the side of rationality.

Yes. What I'm saying is that there's no smoke. There's a cloud in the sky that some people are pointing to and trying to convince everyone (including themselves) that it's smoke, but in reality it's literally nothing.

Do you support the continuing "investigation" and "research" into the aforementioned DC pizza store? Then you're rationalizing the actions taken by the internet in the last year that lead to the pizza store being forced to close its online presence, limit its publicity, hide email addresses and phone numbers, hire security, keep its employees anonymous, and any one of a thousand other issues they had to face because people won't stop bugging them by any means necessary.

#chickelovers

A phrase that means "people who love chicken" but the Internet was out for blood so they put something in Urban Dictionary to give it a more sinister meaning.

Where did urban dictionary get it from if not real life?

Seriously? The Urban Dictionary entry was added by pizzagaters. There's no reference older than a year to the phrase "chickenlover" being used to describe a pedophile.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_(gay_slang)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_(gay_slang)

"Chicken" means "younger guy in a gay relationship". "Chicken lover" means "person who loves chickens (the animal/food)". Neither ever had any pedo connotations until pizzagaters re-invented it.

So do you think the toddler prefers blue cheese or ranch with their 20pc wings?

What do you think about there being a term for "chicken" lovers, but that it's not "chickenlovers"?

I think there are lots of colloquialisms and slang in language and that there are rarely exclusive terms for anything, especially things so sinister.

Wasn't the child in the "chickenlover" photo a girl? Because a "chicken" is a boy. Maybe it's just that you don't know what you're talking about because it's not slang you have any familiarity with?

What if f pizzagate is true? Would you feel any remorse for claiming its def debunked when it's not?

Like, if I ever did anything like that, I would probably kill myself. What say you?

What if f pizzagate is true?

What if /u/mods_are_abc_agents is a serial killer? What if I knew your personal information and put it online with the intent to get people to investigate whether or not you're a serial killer? Look, I know there's no hard evidence (yet) but I'm sure if we look into it, something may come up. And if we don't, and you're actually a serial killer, many people may get hurt.

Go for it. Literally nothing would come up. Not only am I not a serial killer, I have nothing that would lead one to believe I am. And if someone with a bunch of money (say roger stone, David seaman) called me a serial killer, I would sue and win. Now, tell me why podesta or James haven't done this if these accusations are ruining their lives lol me you say they are?

What would they have to gain for suing? Who would they even sue? The internet?

David seaman or roger stone, like I said dipshit.

What do they have to gain? How about credibility and money?

Except no one who believes PG would believe any evidence that turned up in the court case. They would cry Deep State, or cover-up, but even if a lawsuit were successful the only people it would generate credibility with are those that already think PG is propaganda gone out of control.

What evidence would turn up? None.

What evidence would come up in podesta Alefantis? Code words. Social media. Podesta dyncorp connection. Podesta ambromovich connection. Podesta. Podesta connection to defamed SK president/cult member park. Tony and john's child-abuse artwork. Podesta ties to Epstein group (through clinton). Pedesta ties to hastert? Ties to teaching in Japan with good friend hastert? Madeline McCann? Clinton/podesta ties to Kosovo govt responsible now for organ harvesting during Bosnian war? All the buildings on the block of CPP being owned by Saudi Arabian buyers (hint: saudis bang kids)? DuPont tunnel systems underneath D.C.? Pegasus museum? Threats to the pizzagate gear guy?

Most importantly-if you were around last year when shtf, the biggest piece of evidence is the blatant cover-up and damage control. The term fake news was created to discredit PG.

Should I keep going?

I mean, knock yourself out, but you didn't answer my point which was addressing your hypothetical of them gaining credibility through suing. When you (and I mean both specifically you and PGers in general) assume that evidence exists and that guilt is assured, no contrary evidence will make an impact. Every contrary point is a cover-up or decoy, every explanation is untrustworthy, and every weakness in your argument they expose is a distraction/trying to shift the narrative.

You may not be a shill or getting paid, but you (and those like you) do not argue or debate in good faith, and that is one of the many, many reasons PG is being dismissed.

It's hard to argue in good faith when we have been at it for a year and the best evidence was the cover-up. If you weren't there to experience it at the time, it's gonna sound crazy. I have no more "good faith" left in the average person after this tbh.

I see your point, and I wish you could've been here when it happened, but I'm so bitter and tired from arguing for a year about this, I don't have the energy to try and appeal to deniers. All I have is anger, and it sucks so much.

Maybe try refocusing on something away from Reddit/the internet, we all need to step back sometimes

Thanks, easier said then done for me unfortunately. My health and life circumstances def made my internet addiction stronger this past year. But man, it's almost like I feel I was chosen to be part of the community dealing with this shit. Like, this is my chance to try and rally ppl towards the truth. And no, I'm not certain of the truth of PG, but I am certain it has not been disproven. And obviously, it bothers me and makes it hard to look at the world when Donald trump is president, our cultural gatekeepers (Hollywood/senate are pedos), the news doesn't give a fuck about truth, and everyone is just complacent. It's depressing yo. And hard to look away from without feeling guilty or selfish.

i have the scars of spirit cooking on my body

your on the right side of history.

once we prove this the united states will collapse.

Nobody assumes guilt is assured from the evidence- it just seems like that from the cover-up. The evidence is a red flag. Kinda like "man that stuff is weird". But then the way it was handled raised a black flag. Something is there.

There is so much smoke that we have been choking on it for decades and just assume it's how normal air feels.

"upon him i will visit famine and a fire,

till all around his desolation rings

and all the demons in the outer dark

look on amazed and recognize

that vengeance is the business of a man."

the name of the wind by patrick rothfuss

So what you're saying is that if the pizza guys sued Roger Stone, you would believe them that they are innocent? You'd drop the entire thing?

Besides, it's a loose collection of internet randoms that are really pushing the story. If Seaman went away and Stone never mentioned it (if he ever did), there would be hundreds more to take their place. Suing would be Whack-A-Mole.

A pretty profitable whack-a-mole. A lawsuit would be enough for me if it was done right.

How else are they gonna defend their name? Keep getting the msm (who gets paid by their CIA and Stratfor buddies) to call it fake? Keep getting David Brock(leader of shareblue, media matters, correct the record) who used to date Alefantis to pay his shills to harass researchers online?

Hate to say it man, but those methods aren't working and they will never work.

A pretty profitable whack-a-mole.

How are hundreds of lawsuits against random, possibly anonymous, internet commentors going to do anything other than make suer look like an idiot? And how would that stop the Internet Hate Machine from going all out against him twice as bad as before?

How else are they gonna defend their name?

That's the problem, they can't. They cannot continue to fight a losing battle against a horde of idiots determined to hate them for all of eternity. So they ignore them and hope they eventually go away. It's been a year, give it another and maybe things will improve.

If you don't think there were serious legal machinations behind the Alex Jones and Ben Swann incidents, I want some of what you're smoking.

Any prominent figure or outlet who pushes Pizzagate nonsense is going to get slapped with a cease and desist.

But David seaman and roger stone havent. Why is that?

Alex jones is controlled op. Ben swann hinted to all of us that the fight isn't over before he dropped off social media.

I don't think David Seaman has deep enough pockets to go after... His videos look like they were shot in a $800/mo apartment somewhere. Plus, I think they're scared of his social media pull.

Outside of Info Wars, I haven't seen Stone pushing PG too hard. I freely admit that I don't follow him very closely, though. Anyone with a Dick Nixon tramp stamp can go fuck himself, in my book.

You could tell by the look on Jones' face when he did his apology that he was shaken. If he had not backed off, Alefantis would be running his empire as "Homo Wars", and hawking colodial silver butt lube. If you don't believe me, look what Hulk Hogan did to Gawker.

Ben Swann hasn't said shit since he got smacked down. If he resurfaces to blow the lid off of pizzagate somewhere down the road, I will venmo you $100.

David seaman is probably sitting on Atleast a million in bitcoin. Stone called podesta a pedophile, flat and simple. Jones is disinfo imo. Ben swann sure didn't make any efforts to apologize. Infact, he kinda poured gas on the fire by the messages he released before dropping off the net.

Interesting about Seaman. I knew he was hawking BTC, but I don't know if there has been any legal precedence of a court compelling someone to surrender their bitcoin wallet in a judgement.

They'll always go after the deepest pockets, so I'm sure that Podesta's lawyers went straight to CBS, and not Swann.

Jones, disinfo or not, was spooked during his apology. I don't think he's that masterful of an actor, the guy would be the shittiest poker player on the planet... so, IMO, whatever they said to him or threatened him with, it worked.

Why aren't they hitting more people with C&Ds? I dunno... it could be that they feel it has played itself out? Google trends shows that it's at nearly it's lowest point since it broke. Maybe they think the storm has passed?

Using the same style of misleading interpretation as those of the emails. Your very recent history contains posting an image of the devil and suggesting killing people.

Imagine how many things to twist someone could find of they went through 1000 times as much material from someone.

And I'd be happy to explain all that stuff. So Why don't these guys?

I think the answer to this is obvious:

Pizzagate proponents are generally not rational individuals.

Take for instance the video where Podesta was speaking at the college. His understandable reaction to the questioner's pizzagate query was to get visibly agitated... and people on this sub took it as evidence of his guilt.

No matter what explanations he provides, there will be a significant majority of mentally defective folks who will not believe him.

There is nobody outside of a small, vocal group of Internet nobodies calling for any explanation... yet you think he should call a press conference and address all of these nonsensical claims one by one? Ridiculous.

Think what you want

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All the fucking flippant sexual comments and sadistic jokes on his and his friends' instagrams was so fucking shocking and disgusting. They were the number one way that I got anybody on board with Pizzagate in my own personal life. The shit speaks for itself. Pedos protect pedos, they make little bubbles where it's a LIFESTYLE, a PREFERENCE. No, actually, NOT a preference- it's to be accepted as homosexuality or aesexuality. It's projected by these people as a normal and okay thing.

None of this has been debunked.

This is the PG rally cry, despite the fact that all of it has been debunked.

What happens is that when you get into an argument with a Pizzagater, they eventually shut down, put their hands over their ears and scream "I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THAT ANYONE WOULD GIVE SOMEONE CHEESE AS A GIFT. WHY WOULD SOMEONE HAVE A HANDKERCHIEF WITH A MAP ON IT? WALNUT SAUCE DOES NOT EXIST. LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU, WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING PEDOS???"

I'll be happy to debunk this for you, but I know you're going to completely ignore it and change the subject to some other thing without acknowledging that I properly explained "Do you think I’ll do better playing dominos on cheese than on pasta?".

Oh! I see you added a few more things. What a surprise! Okay:

We plan to heat the pool, so a swim is a possibility. Bonnie will be > Uber Service to transport Ruby, Emerson, and Maeve Luzzatto (11, 9, and > almost 7) so you’ll have some further entertainment, and they will be in > that pool for sure.

The grandmother of the three children is writing and email about how her friend, Bonnie Levin, will be driving the children over to the Podesta's winter home to swim in the pool. She is half-jokingly calling them "further entertainment," since they are her grandchildren (and she enjoys seeing them have fun) and because they may be a bit of a handful.

The realtor found a handkerchief I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yorus?

The realtor found a handkerchief left behind in a home that John Podesta rented for a short time after he vacated it. They are asking if it is his.

Next?

seems convincing and plausible but not definitive.

Of course it's not definitive, because you're reading personal emails written by people you don't know talking about the minute of their day to day lives. In addition, you've already decided in your mind that these emails are actually talking about having sex with a child sex slave that John Podesta gave them for Christmas, and that pasta and cheese are code words, so it's going to be difficult to "prove it otherwise".

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Those comments were only sinister because you looked at them thru a filter, you wanted to see pedophilia so you did, I didn't see anything.

How The fuck does this shill have 10 up votes? Bots I quess

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No. Stop.

The Clintons need to pay for their crimes!

she may have kuru......

LOL I've seen PGers push the goalposts back over the last few months, but this one is pushing them into another stadium.

I think it's because the pizzagate timeline has gone something like this:

Nov 2016: "Hillary/Podesta/Alefantis are fucking, killing and eating babies!"

Dec 2016: "Comet Pizza is some kind of front for child trafficking."

Jan 2017: "Alefantis sure owns a lot of properties, what's up with that?"

March 2017: "Some pedos got arrested somewhere! Pizzagate is real!"

Summer 2017: "They're probably laundering money via art..."

October 2017: "OMG! Weinstein! Pizzagate is REEEEEEEal!"

Nov 2017: "Ummm... you're saying Ray Moore is a pedo? <crickets>"

Dec 2017: "It's happening!!!!! Any day now!!!"

To finally, your contribution today:

Dec 13, 2017: "It has increased awareness. We did it Reddit!"

Can you at least acknowledge that maybe the narrative has shifted just a bit over the last 13 months?

I really hope the FBI hasn't taken a minute away from the teams doing actual investigations into sex trafficking of minors, to investigate pizzagate.

Has it ever occurred to you that a group with an agenda "pulled" the goalpost to:

"Hillary/Podesta/Alefantis are fucking, killing and eating babies!"

Here is my recollection of the events/discussion unfolding:

• Wikileaks released Podesta emails
• One email addressed to Podesta referenced a "map that seems pizza-related. Is it yours?" and Podesta confirmed
• It has long been known that c hild p orn = CP = cheese pizza
• People from all sides are questioning: what does this mean? does this seem weird to you?
• More emails released - more questions around the context of these emails as the wording seemed odd (albeit without context)
• Emails released referencing Alefantis and Comet
• People start asking questions around Alefantis' IG account regarding odd pictures and comments
• Legitimate journalists start asking the same questions (e.g. Ben Swan)

Then, what seemed like a flip of a switch threads researching this were flooded with ZZZOOOMMG Hillary/Podesta/Alefantis are fucking, killing and eating babies!

This is what a lot of people pick up on as "pizzagate".

Competing Hypotheses:

The creation and spreading of the assertion that "Hillary/Podesta/Alefantis are fucking, killing and eating babies!" is a result of:

(A) Organic logical leap by individual actors with an emotional bias

(B) A coordinated effort by an anti-Clinton group to influence voters by preying on emotions, perpetuating such an absurd assertion that would be hard to prove false (cant prove a negative), and pumping said assertion through a coordinated social media campaign

(C) A coordinated effort by a pro-Clinton/Podesta/Alefantis group "pulling" the goalpost to an absurd assertion that can be "debunked" given the lack of evidence and logical hoops to arrive at that assertion and/or therefore "debunking" all of the questions leading up to said assertion (aka pizzagate) to influence voters and/or deflect from actual wrongdoing

(D) Combo of the above

(E) None of the above

Evidence and Analysis:

• The origination of the assertion was posted somewhere by one anonymous individual - Supports A but doesn't mutually exclude B or C
• Massive posting of the assertion on social media targeted towards conservative-leaning voters - Supports A and B but doesn't exclude C
• Massive posting of the debunking of the assertion without addressing the underlying questions targeted towards liberal-leaning voters - Supports C but doesn't exclude A/B
• Reddit censorship and removal of a subreddit - Could be a group acting in response to A/B or could be the C group removing the questions leading up to the assertion
• Ben Swan goes off-air, posts cryptic shit, came back and hasn't addressed anything - not sure how to analyze this
• The original questions have never been addressed - supports C but doesn't reject B
• The definition of pizzagate is now the assertion - supports C and could support B by piggybacking on a hashtag

Conclusion: Not enough evidence to support or reject any hypothesis with a reasonable degree of confidence.

Good post, dude!

You forget the part about cheese pizza not occurring in the mails.

Cheese pizza may not be mentioned, but the words cheese and pizza are used several dozen times in contexts that make very little sense.

Although i'm sure your creative imagination and desperation to defend these people will come up with some bullshit reasoning.

My favorite is when the shills post a google image of a napkin with a map on it that they dug up on google images to explain the "map that seems pizza related" email lmao...

The contexts make total sense.

Just because you don't understand the context of something that was never meant for you doesn't mean it's "weird". It means you don't understand it.

Pizzagaters are more than willing to wildly speculate in favor of elaborate conspiracies as explanations, but refuse to accept rational speculations that rely on common sense interpretations.

Pizzagaters constantly scream, "How do you play dominoes on pasta? It's impossible!" Is it impossible to play guitar on heroin? Ask Sid Vicious, I guess.

Pizzagaters have no sense of humor, but I suppose that's what weaponized autism implies. Equating pasta with a performance-enhancing drug as a joke gets mistranslated into sex with kids.

Pizzagate isn't an investigation, it's a smear campaign run completely by trolls who love to twist words and assume the worst.

Playing dominoes on pasta was a reference to christmas when Podesta gave out pasta as presents and they played dominoes on top of the box. Makes a hell of a lot more sense than they played dominoes on naked child sex slaves

Lots to digest there, and thanks for taking the time to type it out.

I do disagree with your timeline in one respect, though. The "ZZZZOMGG" narrative started almost immediately, not after the Ben Swann piece. Throughout Nov/Dec 2016, everywhere you looked in the three subreddits (T_D, Pizzagate and Conspiracy) as well as Voat, the baby-fucking/eating cabal narrative was in full swing.

That makes it a bit harder to claim that it was pulled in later by (B) or (C).

I'm of the opinion that it was 100% (A), but I'm happy to change my mind if any evidence of Russian (B) or ShareBlue/CTR involvement (C) comes to light.

I could totally be wrong about the Ben Swan / ZZZOMG order of events. I'm not sure if it matters if it was before or after though.

It really felt like discussions were being actively driven toward wild claims away from legit questions. Anecdotal evidence, so not to be relied on.

I lean a little more toward (D). Started by (A) or 4chan larp, simplified and perpetuated by (B), and later utilized by (C). Just gut though - not enough evidence to make that conclusion.

Good analysis, either way.

It's refreshing to see critical thought displayed on the sub. Expect to be downvoted by both sides for not "picking a side", though. :'(

Thanks!

I agree - critical thinking is in rare supply in general.

Nov 2017: "Ummm... you're saying Ray Moore is a pedo? <crickets>"

Fuck you, that is a blatant lie.

Yeeeah, whatever. I sure didn't see many pizzagaters calling for his head, that's for certain.

The ONLY place on reddit where you would've found more Ray Moore defenders than on /r/conspiracy was T_D.

Strangely, they're all gone today, though... where do you think they went? ;-)

where do you think they went? ;-)

Back to fucking Shareblue headqaurters, where they will gather around David Brock's nipples to slumber and feed, as he protects his young.

Ah, ye olde no true scotsman fallacy.

Because any pizzagater who looked the other way when the Moore allegations surfaced is obviously a shill, and not a true pizzagater.

Non-partisanship has, and always will be, the hallmark of this citizen investigation!

The "goalpost" figure of speech is a new one in the book of shillery against PG

^ this user is obsessed with defending Podesta, Alefantis and the rest against the pizzagate claims.

Yup. Only idiots and fucking dirty shills are still defending podesta n pals. Pizzagate is real as fuck, Atleast to the degree that there was a cover-up and podesta/Alefantis are part of some weird cult subculture. Anyone who is denying still will have blood on their hands (assuming they are killing kids) I'm not shilling. I am serious as a heart attack.

Now go ahead and give me negative points for talking about elite pedos on a conspiracy board. Totally doesn't prove the astroturfing theories or anything. Fucking disgusting shareblue.

If you have evidence of a crime, take it to the police. Weird cult subculture won't cut it, a crime

I'm mainly against witch hunts and moral panics, regardless of the target.

I saw Tony Podesta with the devil!

Indeed he is. Had my eye on him for awhile.

/u/Ninjakick666 was also adamant about shutting down the Ryan O'neal evidence.

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Lmao I just had a look through DooDooPooZoo's post history.. hasn't submitted anything yet 99% of comments are going into threads to defend Podesta and say PG is fake. Who honestly does that

I do it all the time, because pizzagate is fake and podesta is innocent

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"Goalposts are a tool of liberal shills to stop us from saving the kids"

What is your definition of pizzagate?

The theory that the Podesta brothers, their associates and other high ranking political figures run a organized child sex ring, aided by James Alefantis and using Comet Ping Pong as a meeting place.

This supposed pedophile cult conducts their business in both private emails using an elaborate web of code words, but they will often directly reference their crimes. They also openly flaunt their behavior by displaying symbols and artwork that show off their activities.

Don't worry he will now try to completely rewrite what pizzagate started as.

The new thing I think is to say that Pizzagate never had anything to do with Comet Pizza or a secret sex dungeon in the basement, that the people that started that were actually hired by John Podesta to make the people investigating him look like crazy idiots.

I'm not trying to rewrite what pizzagate is believed to be or is commonly defined as. I do think there were legitimate questions asked in the beginning and then it transformed into a wild claim. What I find more interesting is that this claim and the debunking of it is exclusively binary.

Regardless, I'm trying to defend OP here. I think that it is interesting that there was a fervor of speculation regarding sexual abuse and those close to Clinton (from wikileaks and PG) and Trump himself (from actual audio recordings) that started a year ago and now there are a lot high-ups getting outed.

Does that give the wild claim that is pizzagate more merit? No evidence supports that and I don't think that is what OP is saying.

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I agree OP. I'm laughing at all these armchair general posts as if they know everything there is about pedophilia and how it apparently never goes on. Goal posts" lol what a joke. Anyway, I agree. The topic has brought more awareness to the issue as a whole and the problem of children being abused.

Thanks for the post

Once again "it didn't happen at comet pizza" doesn't equal "it never goes on" But you know that

Dur name was Beth Ditch

And almost got real people shot.

But it sadly didn't entirely stop it. At least not yet.

If you want to claim that there have been more child sex ring busts since pizzagate happened you're going to have to provide us with some numbers.

So the boy that cried wolf helped raise awareness of wolves? LOL

Isn't pizzagate about HRC selling babies to Satanist out of a pizzashop in Washington? J/K Pizzagate set up the American psyche to think about sex in a way other then entertainment, commercialism and biblical. America was turning quickly into a sexualized, genderless, ageless, anything goes society. Eventually TPTB couldn't use sex as blackmail or manipulation.

As a survivor Pizzagate made me give up hope for change because I could see how people only cared about CSA or believed the non existent victims when it was their political opponents who are accused.

We're just pawns to you conspiracy assholes.

I mean what would police and investigators around the world have done without the help from pizzagate?? /s

Except no one who believes PG would believe any evidence that turned up in the court case. They would cry Deep State, or cover-up, but even if a lawsuit were successful the only people it would generate credibility with are those that already think PG is propaganda gone out of control.

So what you're saying is that if the pizza guys sued Roger Stone, you would believe them that they are innocent? You'd drop the entire thing?

Besides, it's a loose collection of internet randoms that are really pushing the story. If Seaman went away and Stone never mentioned it (if he ever did), there would be hundreds more to take their place. Suing would be Whack-A-Mole.

I mean, knock yourself out, but you didn't answer my point which was addressing your hypothetical of them gaining credibility through suing. When you (and I mean both specifically you and PGers in general) assume that evidence exists and that guilt is assured, no contrary evidence will make an impact. Every contrary point is a cover-up or decoy, every explanation is untrustworthy, and every weakness in your argument they expose is a distraction/trying to shift the narrative.

You may not be a shill or getting paid, but you (and those like you) do not argue or debate in good faith, and that is one of the many, many reasons PG is being dismissed.

I do it all the time, because pizzagate is fake and podesta is innocent

Playing dominoes on pasta was a reference to christmas when Podesta gave out pasta as presents and they played dominoes on top of the box. Makes a hell of a lot more sense than they played dominoes on naked child sex slaves