Moral Panic - Wikipedia description has dramatically changed
37 2017-12-17 by blaaaahhhhh
I’ve been interested in moral panic for some time as I think it describes what is happening socially on both sides of the political debate in some form or other.
Then today, when revisiting the wiki page about it, I noticed some huge changes.
It used to read pretty much identical to this:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/moral-panic
Now it reads like this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic?wprov=sfti1
The Salem witch trials as an example of Moral Panic has been completely removed from Wikipedia and the amount of edits have really shot up, with many opinions on the changes made in the activity log on Wikipedia for the page.
Wikipedia looks like a war zone of information I’d not fully considered before.
62 comments
1 1XX11XX1 2017-12-17
So... as this is r/conspiracy: Who benefits from changing the content of the "moral panic" page on Wikipedia?
1 blaaaahhhhh 2017-12-17
I think it’s a tool utilized and exploited by both sides, if that throws any more shade on it
1 1XX11XX1 2017-12-17
Oh... so "both sides". What are the two sides?
1 blaaaahhhhh 2017-12-17
All variances of left and right
1 1XX11XX1 2017-12-17
Hmm... so not an actual conspiracy: nothing is being subverted but a single page is being edited, it involves two vaguely/poorly defined sides, and no one benefits.
Not sure why you didn't post this at r/mildlynotveryinteresting
1 Shemus_Beasken 2017-12-17
Sometimes changing a page is more effective then a book!
1 1XX11XX1 2017-12-17
Can you give an example?
1 blaaaahhhhh 2017-12-17
You can’t possibly be this dumb to understand what he/she means.
You can’t understand how changing a Wikipedia page of information viewed by millions on the fly for work and references can be more effective than a book’s definition?
Obnoxious comment section user probably: “Hmmm, yeah, ahhhh, inhales, but can you proooooove that millions view a wiki page”
Do you feel you ever add anything decent to discussion? Or is it literally all just derailing, vileness and pointlessness?
1 1XX11XX1 2017-12-17
Well, I'm certainly willing to consider future threads by you to be weakly thought out and contain no proof. And such threads, when subjected to the barest whiff of intellectual rigor will get your pussy in a twist. Anyway, if you can't handle the questions maybe you should get out of the conspiracy kitchen (as you're not much of a chef).
So, no conspiracy. This is basically a manufactured moral panic over a page about moral panic.
1 blaaaahhhhh 2017-12-17
If all the comments and input were as bad as yours, I’d have lost hope. Luckily it’s spawned some great discussion. Hopefully a few people have seen our interaction too and learned a thing or two about the people like you trying to derail convo. You’re losing.
1 1XX11XX1 2017-12-17
Hmm. If I understand you (and r/conspiracy in general) correctly: asking questions is a form of derailment.
Cripes. You're quite the intellectually dishonest little scamp, aren't you?
1 blaaaahhhhh 2017-12-17
Not at all, questions are the backbone alongside being open minded. But you’re transparent in your intentions behind your questions. That’s the issue.
1 1XX11XX1 2017-12-17
Oh... you're a mind reader.
1 blaaaahhhhh 2017-12-17
I suspect it must seem that way, but it’s really as simple as you’re that transparent.
1 1XX11XX1 2017-12-17
Anyway, did you notice that you started your thread by mentioning that you've always been interested in moral panic and then manufactured a moral panic over the moral panic page? Was this done in a transparent attempt to buttress your first paragraph? Sort of a self-fulfilling paragraphecy?
1 blaaaahhhhh 2017-12-17
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight
1 1XX11XX1 2017-12-17
I knew I was right (based on how you reacted to my questions). Thanks for being gracious enough to admit that you manufactured the whole thing.
1 blaaaahhhhh 2017-12-17
No worries I’ll be sure to update Wikipedia with this as an example of moral panic
1 1XX11XX1 2017-12-17
Well, if it asks for a citation make sure to scream at the page loudly.
1 blaaaahhhhh 2017-12-17
Seeing as you’d be the source as the moron that suggested it, I suppose screaming pointlessly at something would be accurate
1 Shemus_Beasken 2017-12-17
Yes but your not going to like it.......Test Your Awareness
If you think it's not related then your not ready!
1 blaaaahhhhh 2017-12-17
Geezus. I mean I knew you were just going to respond with something irrelevant, derailing or vial, but it’s still disappointing every time.
It does however amaze me when morons like you pop up and pretend to be so naive in not understanding the content posted in an attempt to derail.
Also, I say moron not as just a meaningless insult. With your inability/pretending to not correlate this to a conspiracy, I genuinely mean it by definition - ‘a stupid person’.
1 IanPhlegming 2017-12-17
From reading the new description, I'd say the "bad guys." The segment on human trafficking is the giveaway.
To my eyes, it's where the far right and far left converge. They don't wan't the Salem Witch Trials on that page because it suggests a "witch hunt" of men.
1 blaaaahhhhh 2017-12-17
And in the opening paragraph Salem witch trials have been replaced with things suggesting p’gate and possible Clinton ties to satanic rituals.
I try to remain center, but the liberal attack on the right seems to be the obvious answer to most things like this
1 1XX11XX1 2017-12-17
So the "bad guys" aren't actually effective as the "burn the witch" picture is still at the top of the page.
1 IanPhlegming 2017-12-17
The page is a clusterfuck.
1 blaaaahhhhh 2017-12-17
Which is probably another goal achieved
1 Alasbabylon103 2017-12-17
Changing history is important because it eliminate precedence and makes it impossible to follow a chain of events that are linked. Important for families that might have a PR issue they want to suppress.
1 blaaaahhhhh 2017-12-17
Especially effective with Wikipedia as the definitions change, but years old work retain the same webpage address to the now changed article.
1 Alasbabylon103 2017-12-17
The purity movement was also edited. When I first researched it named families such as the rockerfellers as making their wealth off of cheap child slave labor. A few years later I went back and that was gone and I could no longer the name of the families that were enriching themselves off of child labor. Another one was researching Caligula and Nero, apparently neither were lunatics and actually effective leaders all of a sudden.
1 blaaaahhhhh 2017-12-17
It’s not great to see. It’s only by chance that I’m familiar with the Wikipedia for this so much to notice the change and then manage to find another credible source with the same wording i (as unfortunately the only source) can remember the wiki page having.
It does raise the question of how much is changed and you can see in the edits for each page it really is a war zone of edits.
1 Alasbabylon103 2017-12-17
i wonder if wayback machine would show the old versions. I am going to try that this week.
1 blaaaahhhhh 2017-12-17
Please do! I’m mobile so can’t check right now but will also give it a go. I’ll also have to learn how to use it, although I’m sure it’s simple enough.
Would be interesting to do an actual side by side and pinpoint the big changes and what relevance they could have
1 kernel-0xff 2017-12-17
Wikipedia keeps the history of each article, just a few clicks away. At least that’s what I thought.
1 Maladaptivenomore 2017-12-17
I think you hit on something really good there, regarding the definition shift, itself. Thank you.
It is, to me, a wonderful example of how terms have been coopted to flip the script on who is victim and who is villain.
As most social scripts go, the villain is (as it turns out) the public, you and I. Believers of this script are made by sharing with them that it isn't the system's fault that it is destroying the world through industrious actions that serve multiple unpublished agendas.
Rather, according to the script, it is the people's faults for not recycling, or not caring, or for consuming irresponsibly. Says the pusher, to the addict.
1 thewayupp 2017-12-17
Drink responsibly. Because you can't sue us.
1 Maladaptivenomore 2017-12-17
Hehe, there it is. Nice.
1 Shemus_Beasken 2017-12-17
WE HAPPY FEW
1 blaaaahhhhh 2017-12-17
What game is that?
It has the exact same artistic feel as bioshock and the story seems quite good from that short clip
1 Shemus_Beasken 2017-12-17
When it comes to story it's "1984" the game or this is your life while you're not distracted....basically I'm saying all good stories rework the truth & it's the familiarity that grabs us!
1 blaaaahhhhh 2017-12-17
How have you played it? I thought it was an April 2018 release?
1 Shemus_Beasken 2017-12-17
The story will be the last thing added but you can play a sandbox version of the game with the mechanics as its an early access game......as of now i would not buy into it.
1 blaaaahhhhh 2017-12-17
I’ll most certainly hold off until it releases and had an update after the inevitable issues on the pc version like with Mose multi platform releases these days.
By the looks of things, it was supposed to be released June 16, so the fact it’s 2 years behind sounds like there has been some problems.
1 Shemus_Beasken 2017-12-17
Yes i use filesharing to keep up on things that might be worth funding....it has a sandbox survival style gameplay but needs serious work done to make it worth my time.
It has serious potential do as the populace is split like the hunger games & as wacky as a whole city of people drinking the koolade!
1 blaaaahhhhh 2017-12-17
Never mind, found it, looks great!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Happy_Few
1 familyvalues2 2017-12-17
Looking at the history of the article is didn't appear like the Britannia one.
1 blaaaahhhhh 2017-12-17
That’s the edit section I was referring to (which is very busy). Can you point to where exactly you mean?
From what I can see it shows clear edits changing things like references to the Salem witch trials in the opening part of the page.
Also shows edits adding pedo rings and satanic rituals to replace it.
1 familyvalues2 2017-12-17
Each line is a version of the article on a certain date&time. If you select a range of articles, then click compare revision to show the changes to that article in that tie period. Checking many version of the article over several years I could not find the 'witch hunt' in the Britiannia article.
1 blaaaahhhhh 2017-12-17
It would be the last line of the second paragraph
1 mcmacsonstein 2017-12-17
I'm not sure what's going on, but I've seen it contain more errors lately. Maybe I'm just more knowledgeable than I used to be though.
1 humanefly 2017-12-17
I remember when they kept deleting certain entries over and over, I can't remember them now, I think the North American Union wiki entry had a habit of disappearing completely
1 Sachyriel 2017-12-17
There are discussion pages and history revisions on Wikipedia, I'mma check the discussions tab to see if anyone knows why the Salem Witch Trials were removed.
1 blaaaahhhhh 2017-12-17
Please update when you do, would be very interesting
1 Sachyriel 2017-12-17
I'm looking through revisions and I don't even see the Salem Witch Trials, I'm hitting 2004 and 2008 to see if it was there in July of those years. When was the last time you saw it?
But the talk page doesn't say anything of revisions about the With Trials either. I'm not really seeing an flamewar in the talk page either, it's kinda bland, no insults or any real drama.
1 blaaaahhhhh 2017-12-17
Most certainly earlier this year
I’d pin it as last line of the second paragraph, although I this is all memory, so it could have been someone else on the pages but most certainly at the top somewhere
1 Sachyriel 2017-12-17
Maybe you're just getting the Brittanica version mixed in with the Wikipedia version?
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moral_panic&type=revision&diff=777369834&oldid=776477090
Here is a time when someone merged a bunch of "Public Health" moral panics under one header. And I think the Blue Whale Game section got removed?
That's like the strangest part so far.
1 blaaaahhhhh 2017-12-17
I’m definatily open to the possibility my memory may be blurred here somehow.
The mention of witches under that first picture has thrown me off a little too.
Regardless, it’s opened the door to what appears to be a lot of changes to the page and across Wikipedia in general, so I’m still interested where this goes and think it’s netted some interesting discussion.
I’m gonna throw an edit into the post just to put that out there though
Great work
1 blaaaahhhhh 2017-12-17
Is there anything on the other examples added?
1 dsannes 2017-12-17
I've noticed a few other changes as well. Read a bunch of stuff. Then I want to read up on it again and it's no where to be found.
1 Loose-ends 2017-12-17
When any source of information is wide-open to revision or the information it provides can be altered or deleted due to legal threats or bullying without bothering to differentiate whether those complaints would actually stand up in court before deciding to edit or delete it or not, you're not going to have a very reliable or particularly accurate source of information, especially on any important and highly charged or contentious issues.
What, pray tell, is the difference between "moral panic" and "moral outrage' or "moral indignation"?
According to this it seems that "moral panic" is something that has been deliberately cultivated by false, exaggerated, sensationalized, or misleading information to promote someone else's particular political or social agenda and goad the public into accepting or even insisting on it, when they otherwise wouldn't have. An agenda that actually isn't in their best interests, but rather based on exploiting them, instead.
But what of real "moral indignation" or any public outrage that is based on and driven by very real, confirmed, and completely accurate and unvarnished facts that are absolutely true and genuinely horrific, deeply disturbing, and bound to outrage the sensibilities of any normal and well adjusted person that's informed about them?
If the belief that there is a widespread abduction of children by predatory paedophiles, or that the ritual abuse of women and children by satanic cults actually exists and goes on, or that the War on Drugs and other public health issues don't actually serve the public's best interests but other and very different ones at their expense... who's agenda could sensationalizing or exaggerating any of the information related to those any more than it already and quite naturally possibly serve?
And who would even make such a claim if it wasn't to actually shield pedophile rings and satanic cults from the public being more aware of the fact that they do exist and people have to be vigilant and remain conscious of conscious of that especially in regards to the safety of children and young adolescents.
1 Ryugar 2017-12-17
I have observed various edits on wiki myself..... either to romanticize certain stories, or more usually offering multiple versions or interpretations of something to blur the meaning. Lots of suggestive links to lead people on a narrative or "wikihole" intentionally... tho its usually fun and informative for me so I can't really say its a bad thing.
1 samgribleystree 2017-12-17
I've seen stuff like this before and not just with Wikipedia. Once a few years ago I was having an online debate about the history of midwifery. I used wikipedia citations to make a lot of my side of the argument. Within 2 days every reference I used was gone.
Another time I was having a debate about these girls only charities for African countries because they're supposedly left out of education. I cited statistics from all the countries involved that showed that most African countries have better gender parity in their education systems than the US does (they're all roughly 50/50 with females actually getting more advanced degrees). That info is now very difficult to find on the internet.
1 blaaaahhhhh 2017-12-17
You can’t possibly be this dumb to understand what he/she means.
You can’t understand how changing a Wikipedia page of information viewed by millions on the fly for work and references can be more effective than a book’s definition?
Obnoxious comment section user probably: “Hmmm, yeah, ahhhh, inhales, but can you proooooove that millions view a wiki page”
Do you feel you ever add anything decent to discussion? Or is it literally all just derailing, vileness and pointlessness?
1 blaaaahhhhh 2017-12-17
Please do! I’m mobile so can’t check right now but will also give it a go. I’ll also have to learn how to use it, although I’m sure it’s simple enough.
Would be interesting to do an actual side by side and pinpoint the big changes and what relevance they could have
1 Shemus_Beasken 2017-12-17
When it comes to story it's "1984" the game or this is your life while you're not distracted....basically I'm saying all good stories rework the truth & it's the familiarity that grabs us!
1 kernel-0xff 2017-12-17
Wikipedia keeps the history of each article, just a few clicks away. At least that’s what I thought.
1 Shemus_Beasken 2017-12-17
Yes but your not going to like it.......Test Your Awareness
If you think it's not related then your not ready!