Good post. I'm old enough to remember this and how it played out. Bush/Cheney took the goodwill and unity of the people after 9-11, spun their web of lies and got us into an endless war in Iraq. Almost all of the media was pushing their propaganda and lies to get the people to go along with it. Anyone who challenged the narrative had their character publicly assassinated, fired and/or humiliated.

Unfortunately, at that time, there weren't many places like this sub where people could challenge the narrative, openly discuss it and try to make sense of what is really happening. I also see some striking similarities of the propaganda machine then to the Trump/Russia narrative being pushed for over a year now. Fortunately, now we do have this sub and places like it but that has brought a heavy dose of astroturf to do what the propaganda arm of the media did and still does.

Yuup, I was young but I remember it well. They did a major character assassintion and ruined the careers of the Dixie Chicks for daring to criticize the narrative. And on top of that, they broadcast it as much as they could to show everyone 'this will happen to you if you step out of line like they did'.

The time between 9-11 and the Iraq war was the most united I've ever seen the people here. Religion/race/whatever is used to divide us, didn't matter back then. Bush/Cheney could have done so much good with that unity but instead did this travesty with the backing of Congress and the media.

haha Those yellow ribbons were superficial and silly in hindsight. Whoever pushed those must've made a ton from it. But from what I remember, people were more willing to put aside their differences and come together with what we had in common.

If only Americans could purchase their freedom instead.

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Wasn't there an actual flag shortage for a while?

I was a senior in high school when 9/11 happened.

For a few years before 9/11 I had stopped standing and saying the pledge of allegiance in the mornings because I realized how weird it was to have children do that every morning starting at the age of 5 or earlier and also because I realized they couldn't make me do it. No one ever said a word when I didn't stand.

After 9/11, I got so much shit from my classmates for not doing it. It was absolutely insane.

Umm,,, not for brown skinned folk.

Interesting how all of the character assassination parts were Fox News. Some things never change.

Don't forget all the songs that got banned. Including every song by rage against the machine.

Although this scenario initially came to mind, it also had a lot to do with their demographic. They were country music stars during a time of extreme patriotism. Nobody had to destroy their career, they did it all themselves.

This was not anything new. The tactics in the media and stuff is what I mean, your post is great. We already were sold on a pack of lies leading up to Desert Storm. Here is some stuff about this.

I remember watching the testimony of Nayira when it was aired. I was 14 or 15 and didn't really understand the world around me, but I thought I smelled bs. If she were on the streets, I would have pegged her as a narc. A couple years later, this was exposed as part of a $10.7m campaign to gain American support for the war. All lies. Among other things, Nayirah was in fact the daughter of Saud Nasir al-Sabah, Kuwait’s ambassador to the US. Her testimony had been organized by a group called Citizens for a Free Kuwait, which was a front for the Kuwaiti government. I was 17-18 by then and that was a real wake up call for me. So when it happened again under Jr, I didn't trust much of anything in the media.

You could say that the Gulf of Tonkin was similar. If I researched more, I bet I could find similar tactics used in the lead up to many of our military actions. I don't think was a new tactic in the 2000s. The tactic is old, the only real change is the technology and how that technology is utilized. Or should I say weaponized? Propaganda is a powerful tool and it seems like we never learn. In this case, Bush Jr just basically did what his dad had already done. Either way, we are sold on narratives, lies, and half truths for all sorts of reasons not even limited to military actions.

This was so clearly evident if you lived during and watch this play out over months. It was a 100% propaganda operation and Fox News was at the forefront of it. Judith Miller while at the NYT was likely involved in such paid propaganda. It seems Fox just can't get enough of authoritarian propaganda as evidenced by its latest behavior.

On that note, if Fox News has been shown to have colluded with the US government to engage in paid propaganda intended to change public opinion in support of war, should that site be allowed to be linked to directly from r/conspiracy rather than from an archive such as was done to CNN via an edict made last summer?

I can’t stand when people say trump is worse than bush. He is not they obviously don’t remember / know what they are talking about.

In some regards he is worse.

Bush alienate women by saying “grab em by the pussy”. In fact, Bush was the guy “you’d want to get a beer with” (to quote the endless programming by MSM).

Bush didn’t alienate immigrants. He didn’t alienate Muslims.

It’s a subjective conclusion when you declare one worse than the other. Trump is dividing a lot of people in the country. You may be unaffected by it and don’t see it.

I personally would still rank Bush near the bottom for what it’s worth but I can see why some feel passionately about Trump being worse.

Bush is the opposite of a decent human being and came off as the guy that you couldn’t relate to because he was a Uber rich Yale boy

One was Skull and Bones....You can get someone to do anything you want when you have footage of them wacking off in a coffin.

Oh he "alienated" people? Like bombing a Muslim nation shock-and-awe style? Then invading it? Some people getting their feelings hurt is nothing compared to ACTUAL WAR. I can't believe I'm having this conversation. It's like people have lost grasp on reality.

Welcome to the new reality. Bizarre isn't it?

Feelz over realz.

Trump's administration is not handling diplomacy very well, and large scale conflicts could erupt at any point. Give him a chance, brah. ;)

Bush didn’t alienate immigrants. He didn’t alienate Muslims.

I'm sorry but this is just flat out wrong. I have no respect for Trump, and I'm old enough to remember very clearly the Bush presidency, and the Bush admin's post 9/11 Islamphobic fearmongering and discrimination against Latino immigrants (too many people seem to have forgotten that Bush started building a wall over decade before Trump), laid the groundwork that made a Trump presidency possible.

How is promising to enforce our borders and stop illegal immigration an attack on immigrants? You do understand that there is a major difference between immigrants and illegal immigrants?

The difference between Trump and Bush is that Trump is actually stupid. Bush just played stupid. They are both puppets though.

They are teammates.

Good post. I'm old enough to remember this and how it played out.

It's why I do not trust any mainstream media to this day.

The idea that our media is made up of independent groups with independent motivations is laughable. They all sing the same tunes when they need to convince "The People".

Our MSM is nothing more than an orchestra. Each constituent media conglomerate is merely a section. Sure, they may play different parts, but it's all to the leadership of a maestro.

I agree. That's a really good analogy.

Agreed. Much of my opposition to claims without convincing primary source material I can review comes out of observation of how much bullshit was thrown at the public during those years. The exercise trained many in the public how to spot the bullshit, raising difficulty for future efforts. We're seeing that result today in an ever larger percentage who simply disregard media sources, there has been time to practice crowdsourced journalism.

Except bush and Cheney were merely pawns in the plan of the ruling class/New world order.

B-buh wait, saddamn had weapons a mass destruct-ion.

Colon Pal told the UN so, uh huh yes he did, that's enough for me sir yes it is.

Oh wait, that was all lies? Ahahah what a great joke, still tho, fuck the middle east am i right y'all? We gon MAGA, right my pedes(trians) ? ?

At what point do we stop humoring the joke? That's what this is heading towards, right? Do we ever reach that tipping point? When is the docile american nursery more profitable to plunder?

Unfortunately, at that time, there weren't many places like this sub where people could challenge the narrative, openly discuss it and try to make sense of what is really happening.

You make it sound like the US was some kind of totalitarian state. I'm old enough to remember this too, because it wasn't that long ago and most of us are old enough to remember this. You could freely discuss anything anywhere you wanted at this point in time, in person, on the phone, on the internet which existed and thrived because again it wasn't that long ago at all.

Ugh, looking at frame per second video of the free fall of building 7 was not super readily available to everyone - and there was definitely not endless platforms to post said videos like there is Now.

Because of the limitations of technology, not because of censorship.

Unfortunately, at that time, there weren't many places like this sub where people could challenge the narrative, openly discuss it and try to make sense of what is really happening

Reddit was literally one of the only places for such discussions. If some people recall, the first post on the site was the Downing Street Memo, which for all intents and purposes proved that they intended to invade Iraq and make up the reasons for it.

As a Leftist who doesn't support Trump, the Russophobic fearmongering is an obvious steam valve and distraction for the brainwashed masses.

actually,I remember quite a few places you could discuss it.

Quite a few of them were doing a pretty good job of connecting the dots,too.

Unfortunately, they were so effective, the neo-cons behind sept 11 had to create a massive disinformation campaign to deflect attention from the connected dots. They did a good job of it,too. To this day,they still have people spreading and catapulting bullshit like controlled demolition.

Does anyone else see why I like all the media hating on trump?

Great post OP. Just fantastic!

This is why truth seekers do not trust the MSM or government.

Its interesting to watch how people will go from believing this is real to ignoring it, however, depending on which party is in power.

Now that the Don is in charge, there are many that heretofore would have believed this, but now wont.

There are many that would never believe this was happening under Obama, but are total, hard core conspiracy theorists now and totally believe this.

Folks, this has been going on for a long time even under the direction of the people you vote for. You contribute to this when you support the system, pay taxes, watch TV or otherwise participate in American society.

All of ops links explaining how the MSM lied to us are from MSM sources

I watched the war in Vietnam on TV. I watched a good bit of the Watergate hearings and celebrated when Nixon resigned. I witnessed first hand the damage that George Bush did to Texas and knew what ever he did as president would be worse. I remember someone asking me what I thought was going to happen as we ramped up to invade Iraq, I answered , “Whatever they think will happen is not what’s going to happen.”

Operation Northwoods

Enhanced interrogation (torture) was also the buzzword of the day back then. Then the 'hero' in the TV show 24 constantly saved the day by torturing people to extract the critical info ..

wasnt that show on murdochs Faux Network?

Don't forget the use of torture.

I’m really interested in learning more about the “Deep State” from Bill Moyers, has he written any books? Anything anyone would recommend for a newcomer? Thank you.

Thank you!

Don't forget the anthrax packages sent through the mail by the US Government in October 2001 and blamed Saddam. That's when I knew 9-11 was a setup.

I was in college at the time in one of the most conservative areas of the country. When we invaded Iraq, it was the only time I was fearful of speaking up for something in my life. The Dixie Chicks were taken off the radio and attacked by the very same people who knew her family and friends. It was very disturbing.

9-11 setup so much racism and hate that has grown with Obama and now Trump. They're trying to divide us along superficial lines when the real issue is class warfare. The rich are stealing from us while we fight for their table scraps and argue over false choices presented to us by the media.

When taking sociology10, the ex-Russian teacher ironically focused on Functionalism and taught almost nothing about conflict theory, but conflict theory is essential to understand class conflict.

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No one cares what you learned in class.

Learn from experience, and learn to communicate that well.

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Or Benghazi supposedly being caused by a "Youtube video" so that Obama and Hillary didn't have to blame radical Islamic terrorism and admit to the situation they created in Libya. Didn't they imprison someone over that, for free speech, just to push their narrative?

What does that have to do with Bush and Ci and their endless war on terrorism 1 that started and was never ended by Albania and co.

It has everything to do with it because both Republicans and Democrats are using the same playbook.

“On March 10, 2003, during a London concert, nine days before the March 19, 2003 invasion of Iraq, lead vocalist Maines told the audience: "We don't want this war, this violence, and we're ashamed that the President of the United States (George W. Bush) is from Texas"

This was the lead singer of the Dixie Chicks. They never recovered. Isn’t that some shit?

I've heard that being "Dixie Chicked" is a commonly used phrase in the country music industry to describe being basically shut down for expressing political opinions that don't jive with what the industry and fans agree with.

I heard it being tossed around quite a bit after the Vegas shooting.

Guess it's time to start bumping some dixie chicks in the club mixes, huh?

Old news.

Same thing in '91 Gulf war. 15-year-old Kuwaiti girl giving obviously coached testimony about horrible treatment of babies by Iraqi's.

About as believable as SS tossing babies up & catching 'em on bayonets.

Will people ever wake up?

Hell we could go back to the American-Spanish war with the "birth" of yellow journalism

Thank you. A reading on yellow journalism is quite enlightening. For anyone interested in a bit more, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_of_the_Spanish–American_War

How did bush control the media but trump doesn't?

Bush's dad was head of CIA

the media love us wars remember when they were praising trump for bombing assad? They will support trump in a war

our media is disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. They don't give a God damn about the truth of things.

the media only 'love wars' becoz the capitalists who pay them want war, the more war the merrier!

Isn't government produced propaganda now legal and part of the defense budget in 2017? Not that they didn't already outsource it and already find ways around the laws long before Trump.

A guy named Rupert Murdoch controls a HUGE portion of the MSM and you need to be on Rupie's side to get "High Quality Biased Bullshit" written about you in 39 languages!

Not to mention the hundreds of publications his company owns, who's editors have been "instructed" on 'which side to support"

and If you like your job, you bend over and LIE for him, or else!

Imagine Bill Clinton crossed with George Soros who made their billions as a journalist with the MSM his father owned, and the rest as they say, is history

now what kind of "principles" do you think run the Clinton Foundation with George Soros "advising"? lol

Decades before that Henry Thoreau was talking about the corrupt press in regards to pushing the Mexican-American war, "(...)probably no country was ever ruled by so mean a class of tyrants as, with a few noble exceptions, are the editors of the periodical press in this country. And as they live and rule only by their servility, and appealing to the worst, and not the better nature of man, the people who read them are in the condition of the dog that returns to his vomit."

Although this whole propaganda thing has been going on for literally many centuries.

An amazing quote, Thoreau was a man centuries ahead of his time, and should be required reading for all Americans.

It really is that simple. Soviet foreign policy was merely a reaction to US foreign policy. An unbiased examination of both sides proves this.

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Thanks for the link...What I find EVEN MORE insteresting is this part:

Her story was initially corroborated by Amnesty International and testimony from evacuees.

that should tell you a lot about who Amnesty International really is.

Interesting. But Iraq did invade Kuwait, no?

yes, because kuwait was side slant drilling into iraqs oil feilds and stealing their oil.

The Kuwait war was my wakeup call that our goverment was full of shit.

One of my college roommates at the time had a pen pal who worked for the kumaiti times. She was writing him in the months before the war saying that there was about to be a war over kuwaits shenanigans in the oil fields.

I wonder what the Obama administration used the MSM for. Obama was even more corrupt than Bush, and was probably the worst president the US has ever had. He was also caught spying on journalists, spying on political opposition, and signing legislation to legalize domestic propaganda, and that's just what we know about.

Obama was the worst President the US ever had? I know I am opening a can of warms engaging with you, but c'mon buddy.

Yes, Obama was the most corrupt, most self-serving, most dictatorial, and most deceitful president the US has ever had. He was the worst, and it's not even close.

Yes, Trump is the most corrupt, most self-serving, most dictatorial, and most deceitful president the US has ever had. He was the worst, and it's not even close.

Okay come on. Obama did some bad things as all presidents do, but he was far from the worst. I mean, just comparing Bush and Obama, Bush got us into Iraq, Afghanistan, allowed 9/11 to occur, instituted the Patriot Act, torture, and tax breaks that led to the 2008 economic crash. I don't know if you let Hannity and Fox News sway your opinion of the man, but so many of you people, you haters, call Obama the worst without any real argument.

I have a sneaking suspicion that your knowledge of US presidents is limited.

Thats ridiculous. I replied with an honest critique to someone else but this is just silly.

Bush was the worst (in recent memory) but at least he was upfront. Obama promised one thing and did another. One of the best actors in history, a very smooth operation that has deluded people even to this day.

Bush promised tons of things that he never delivered on as well. He also lied a shit ton. I think Presidents assume they will have all this power and then as soon as they get elected they have people telling them what they can and can't do. In the case of foreign policy and drone strikes I think Obama wasn't given much choice. I don't think the man who was elected would ever have gone for that but was convinced it was the only way to stay in office.

Are we really discussing who was a worse president in r/conspiracy? Let's face it, they're just puppets

I agree but at least some talk words good.

I could use a can of warms, I'm freezing my as off over here

If Obama failed at all it was from trust in the GOP.

Obama was even more corrupt than Bush

# of arrests/indictments from Obama administration: 0

# of indictments from Trump administration: 3

Who killed more people?

who likes french fries?

I know I sure do

over 2,000 people since July

Amazing how a good talk in a private jet can take care of such issues.

By the time Obama came to power social media had become very important. They used celebrities on twitter to help them sell obamas wars. All of the sudden people were getting there news from puff daddy and Rihanna. I think a deep study into the kony 2012 propaganda is needed for people to understand the shift in propaganda. From news media to social media.

Ask yourself this, "how the hell did we get sold the invasion of Libya?" I think a big thing is type of voters. For bush you have the classic MSM consumers, then for Obama you had the people who view celebrities as truth tellers. Two very different forms of propaganda for two very different types of citizens. Only a black president could sell black inner city voters on invading Africa. No way bush was getting away with that.

I was naive back then acually thought we were "helping" the Libyan people...

We were "sold" on Lybia by ISIS threatening worldwide terrorist attacks.

ISIS started the war.

And Obama started ISIS.

And the Obama Admin started ISIS.

technically it was the CIA who "armed, funded and handled' ISIS

Al Qaeda which translates as "The Base' was a database of "CIA controlled assets" that had been developed during the 'war' in Afghanistan where "CIA recruiters" would penetrate various fanatics of various cultures and their customs and 'persuasions', religions with numerous 'factions' who argued their "theosophical beliefs" using AK-47's to get "their points" across!

People who would do the bidding of their employers (the CIA) who had manipulated and LIED to them just as much as they had to everyone else!

As R. Buckminster Fuller called the CIA way back in the 1960's!: "Capitalism's Invisible Army" . . . . . which it's becoming increasingly clear that that's exactly what it IS! US troops 'guard' Afghan and several other's opium poppies crops And securing US oil production and delivery companies/facilities

Anyone remember Colonel Oliver North and Co and their/his being busted with hundreds of kilos of cocaine, which *he would trade the drugs for US army weapons which were then sold to rebels in South America (the Contras) to 'support' their revolution ... and was convicted and imprisoned?

Not to mention the CIA registered plane which crashed into the florida/miami everglades and if iirc full op with weapons and 4 TONNES of cocaine onboard

Yeah but ask anyone on Facebook and he’s “the best president we ever had” seriously now I kinda get why the elites want most of us dead lol.. /s ... or was I serious? Hmmm? The world may never know..

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Bush Sr helped build the architecture that ran PSYOPs for Bill Clinton

Um, I call bull shit. The neocons went after Clinton his entire presidental term, and now they are back, with Trump leading the charge for a corruption of the American democracy.

It's called controlled opposition for a reason. 2 sides of the same coin no matter which side it lands on the people lose and the elites win. They even structure votes to build credibility to their opposition with just enough votes to pass the legislation. Definition of government is Mind Control. Govern = Control, Ment =Mind.

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thats not even close to being the biggest pile of bullshit in his reply. His controlled demolition theory bullshit is much bigger and smells ten times worse.

No. People will still blindly follow the authoritative powers as they would rather do that than realize the lie that they have been living.

People will still blindly follow the authoritative powers as they would rather do that than realize the lie that they have been living.

Becaoz the Truth hurts when you acknowledge you've been believing LIES for so long ... when they could just eat some humble pie and move on

But most people a stubborn dumb cunts

Yep exactly. See the thing is, they are winning because they are getting what they want. Keep the dumb masses distracted with the newest ipod or the latest butt plug, and they will be fine with going along with the charade. We are losing more rights and politicians are living in a further disconnect from its constituents and are representing the highest bidder $$$$.

Control of the media is an absolute need if you want to run a war.

Look back at Vietnam. There was a huge anti-war resistance back then that made the US public an enemy of the US military.

Major factors to the anti-war resistance was the draft, and free press.

Back then, reporters could report anywhere and not be censored. This left many Americans back home seeing footage of war. Dead kids, addicted soldiers, all the horrible stuff. It wasn't sanitized.

Eventually the US military quit because it was just too much of a pain in the ass.

Media changed between the 70s and 90s with cable becoming more popular. This led to the 24 hour news channel CNN coming on the air.

When the US invaded Iraq in 91, CNN covered the story. They weren't exactly impartial though. Critics claimed CNN was cheerleading more than reporting objectively. Other networks were reporting more fairly. The US pulled out shortly after the highway of death incident, where US troops killed a shitload of fleeing soldiers and civilians.

In 1996, the FCC dumped anti-monopoly laws which led to the oligopoly that runs the media industry nowadays.

I have no proof of collusion but there's totally collusion between the network owners and the US military.

After the US invaded Iraq, the media worked with the military to impose a ban on war coverage. Nowadays, the only time you see war footage is if it's being used as propaganda. The military had a list of words to use and the mainstream press used those words to shift people's attitudes.

Kidnapping became rendition, shell shock became PTSD, rebels became insurgents, and anyone who didn't like it became an enemy combatant.

The MSM is basically the deep state now and coordinates with the DNC. That's what the whole fake news thing was about; censoring other journalists so everyone only had access to the deep state Democrat propaganda. They were extremely pissed that narrative got flipped and the MSM were exposed for being fake news.

In 1996, the FCC dumped anti-monopoly laws which led to the oligopoly that runs the media industry nowadays.

I have no proof of collusion but there's totally collusion between the network owners and the US military.

We aren't meant to have recent declassified documents confirming us military intelligence control over news media/our understanding of the world

It's obvious to those of us paying attention, but relevant confirmed instances to point the uninitiated masses towards would be much too destructive

I have no proof of collusion but there's totally collusion between the network owners and the US military.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

Ive been wondering for a while now what the DoD calls their version of Mockingbird.

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Very nice post!

Slightly unrelated question (I looked but couldn't find anything): how do you put the line breaks in your post?

I.e. the one at the top between:
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and
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Thanks!

Don't forget the US government spent over $500 million on fake Al-Qaeda propaganda videos that tracked location of viewers

The lead up to the Iraq war is what woke me up, so to speak. The whole country was tricked into supporting an unnecessary and illegal war.

And now it's happening again with this Russia hysteria.

We were scared and they knew it and took advantage. The Russia hysteria is a red flag to me as well.

I dont remember it that way. US MSM definitely pushed a narrative and generally didnt do their fucking job. That said, they were giving people exactly what they wanted. There was a metric fuckton of press from around the world who were a lot more professional about their reporting. There was all that shit that happened at the un, all that shit with inspectors, tons of experts immediately calling out the bullshit around the aluminum tubes and powells speech at the un. It was covered. All over the place.

What i remember is a public that went absolutely rabid with war fervor. People were excited. Do you remember the shit with frenchs mustard? That wasnt the media stirring people up. That was people who wanted to fuck up some arabs and get some payback. Anybody who disagreed was a coward and a traitor. They werent "tricked" into it. The media is a menu. Most people ordered little flags and dead arabs in some far away shithole they couldnt find on a map. The evidence and reasons were flimsy as fuck. And then, when they couldnt find any wmds, and the war was turning into a quagmire, bush got fucking re elected man. You going to put that on the media too?

Nowhere in this story is the american people taking responsibility for making shit choices. Thats bullshit. The american people should be talking about how they fucked up, not how they got tricked. Because they werent tricked. As long as they got some dead arabs out of the deal, nobody was asking too many questions. They got exactly what they ordered.

It’s not the media’s job to give the people what they order.

It’s the media’s job to report the truth.

Media is a business. They sell access to eyes and ears. Piss off to many people, you lose your product. Thats the reality. Media operates within that reality. Yes, media performs a public service. But that doesnt keep the lights on.

Have you ever looked into Media Consolidation? I suggest you give that a long look before you tell me about how the media is a business. They will survive now no matter What they report.

Look up Noam Chomsky’s “manufacturing consent”.

I agree we need to blame the people for buying into the media’s bullshit. But we must hold the media accountable for pushing bullshit we didn’t want, TOO.

Those aren't the same. In one, the GOP lied us into a war. Now, the GOP is lying us into serving Putin's interests. You're not spotting the right pattern.

Why isn't he in jail?

Let's not forget George Tenet the CIA director who served under Bush and propogated the War on Terror. He has a lot of connections to MSM including working (currently) for Allen and Co. Which works to help media elites hold onto/consolidate their monopolies. National Intelligence has been working with all of the major players of MSM for decades.

I remember the news reports and thinking that they didn't have shit and were making up an excuse to invade. The story kept changing and there was no real supporting evidence for the claims made. I remember feeling sick about what I was hearing on the news.

And it’s happening .......a-gaiiiiin. Wagon circling happens every 2.5 seconds in Trump apologetics, and I’m libertarian for a good reason (not the Gary Johnson flavor either). Populism was on the rise, so a strongman for conservatives was presented in him. This doesn’t have anything to do with partisan politics, but we must bridge our differences and prevent WW3 from arriving. Left/right exists on the county level but anything above it is written as script.....truth must prevail!

Israel was the root cause of the Iraq invasion. The NYT was one of the loudest voices screaming for war in Iraq following 9/11.

Sorry, I had to buy my copy.

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Don't forget Bush Senior used the media to push the first gulf war as well. Bushes & Clintons are criminals.

Has any US President not been a criminal/had a criminal past/had a family with a criminal past?

Carter was the last president who wasnt a criminal like the others

Here is a relevant forum which a historian comments on the subject, including Noam Chomsky's view that every US President after WW2 was/is a War Criminal, https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/6e9s52/was_president_jimmy_carter_a_war_criminal_and_how

Here is a quote from the following article that you may find very relevant, http://www.pravdareport.com/opinion/columnists/16-05-2012/121135-jimmy_carter_mass_murderer-0/,

"While president, during which he "proclaimed human rights to be 'the soul of our foreign policy,'" Carter substantially supported the genocidal murder of some 200,000 people in Timor, an island of southeastern Indonesia, about 250 miles north of Australia."

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When you say criminal, what are you referring to?

Well for instance JFK's family got wealthy bootlegging during prohibition.

http://smugglersbootleggersandscofflaws.com/joe-kennedy-smuggler-bootlegger/

Same as operation sandyhook. If you tell people you are taking their righrs they fight back. If you socially engineer them through these operations into thinking its whats best for them you can take them with less backlas becuase you have garnered more support by socially engineering peoples emotions through media manipulation and manufactured incidents.

The power of media combined with a public trained to believe that media as the end all be all to the truth is dangerous.

and now the americans do it again with Syria, North Korea, Venezuela and of course Russia

The invasion itself was crazy. Sitcoms and tv shows were paused and pushed back and almost every single tv station you'd flip to had nothing but wall to wall 24 hour coverage. Remember that? I'm talking about every. Single. Channel. It was like a tv event.

Kinda expected to be honest. It'd be insane if it wasn't treated that way

For weeks on end though? This wasn't a few mere days but at least three weeks or more.

Well think about it. The war was viewed as America getting revenge for 9-11, which was still fresh on everyone's mind. Everyone was patriotic as fuck in those years. So it made sense the declaration of war, which everyone was shouting for immediately after 9-11, would get extended coverage when the time finally came.

The first war in "modern times" with a ton of spanking new weapons no ones seen before. F-117s. B-2s. The tomahawk being shown off for the first time. Guidance weapons were new. "Shock and Awe"

Combine all that and it really was an event or sorts. It was like the begging of a new era.

Maybe I'm wrong, it's been a while, but I do remember the impact very well.

Jack Bauer

This comment thread is then best I've seen in a while.

Yep! I like this one for the 6m Jews of WW2.

http://balder.org/judea/Six-Million-140-Occurrences-Of-The-Word-Holocaust-And-The-Number-6,000,000-Before-The-Nuremberg-Trials-Began.php

anyone worried about this Iran / DPRK / Russia talk?

They just replaced one of the members of the "Axis of Evil" with our old cold war adversary after blowing up Iraq.

Neo-conservatism is essentially "neo-liberalism" catered to conservatives. It's a real shame that real conservatives didn't show the moral and intellectual courage to resist these individuals. Now the message is compromised.

Bush and Obama both.

thats all great, but everyone knows this - this has been the Deep State MO for decades now.

The government, both its public face and its shadow true leadership, in collusion with the puppet media, its propaganda mouthpiece, has honed for at least 40 years a finely tuned orchestration.

It took the 2016 election campaign for this to be exposed as the globalist uniparty had to go all-in to try and prevent Trump. Obviously, they failed, and are in the process of failing to topple him via a coup.

The problem though is that still not everyone knows this. The majority of people have no qualms about the "Iraq war" or "war on terror" and are still under the belief that we were justified in being over there.

Cause of like, Osama bro, and 9/11, or like, we might as well check out Iraq since we're already over here...oh and WMDs, and all kinds of other evidence and shit. Or something.

still not everyone knows this

true, I realize not EVERYONE knows, but millions do, and the group of US citizens at least that hasnt at least been exposed to the truth and red-pilled and given all the necessary information to AWAKEN from the matrix shrinks by the day.

Thats really all that can be done in this stage of the worldwide revolution of TRUTH. Step one is and must continue to be the awakening of the public to the reality.

We are all still in this phase. As you said, many are still asleep (as the media tries to keep them).

What the public does about it is another issue entirely.

Great post and great conversation going on here, thanks for getting this started, I'll be back when I have some time to click all these links!

You should really archive all of this. Just a friendly FYI.

That the lies didn't matter is what worries me. No One Cared. scary shit.

Yes we did.

You just didnt hear about it on the media.

They pretty much buried any story involving the millions of people who were protesting the iraq invasion.

Shit, the "news" is a fucking joke, and has been since the 60s. What is it, 10 companies that control all of the news in the U.S? You think that these huge corporations wouldn't be happy to work for the government in exchange for some more regulations, or some other bullshit?

6 companies

The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history. read more: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/white-man-s-burden-1.14110

That's a Jewish source btw. Israel did 911 to get America (dumb golem) to invade the enemy countries such as Iraq and Iran.

Very good. Obvious to all here the mainstream media part of shadow government and not independent. Too bad, we need them.

MSM says Trump is baaaad. Must be true. Amirite?

No shit...

Too few mentions of Israel here; the 'Iraq was a war for oil' canard gets pushed around too much. Neocon lobbying to take down Saddam had started in around the late 80s or so and continued full swing throughout the 1990s. This was a war for, primarily, Zionist geostrategic interests. Refer to the Yinon Plan and the political activities of the neocons leading up to the Iraq war, as well as the country who provided the false intel on Iraqi officials 'providing Mohammad Atta anthrax' at 'Prague' or obtaining 'yellowcake uranium' from Niger.

Should probably follow Ryan Dawson's work on this, guy's been an anti neocon since the 90s or something. Check out his YouTube channel?

It’s a shame nobody conspires for peace. No money in it I guess.

this is anecdotal, so take it as you want, i have a family friend in the media. sorta famous, at least has famous friends in the media.

she was doing a show on a medical and was going to cover lack of healthcare coverage ( before obamacare) and was called into the producers office and aid they may have to change the show coverage to something else because the “ the white house was reviewing our show to approve it. “ this was at time when obamacare/ single payer was in the news and it was getting partisan during he Bush years.

white house called back and nixed the show.

they did some other show entirely and she never was able to finish her show that day.

tldr: where house had to approve a show for tv because it covered a controversial subject .

That’s authoritarian as fuck

Wow

That interview with Bush was grade A bullshit... that was, and I hate to use this word, but cringe as al hell.

Thanks for compiling this, I’ve long been studying the Media Military Monster that is the United States government, and I’m always looking for new sources. Thanks again for sharing

FUN FACT: Same CIA guy who helped Bush create FAKE NEWS story about Iraqi buying Yellow Cake....

Is none other than the CIA scum that wrote a Hillary Clinton endorsement in the NY Times.

Fun Fact: Bushco blew the cover,during wartime, of undercover CIA operative Valerie Plame, who called bullshit on the yellow cake claims.

Btw, Plame was tasked with searching out wmd's in the region. By blowing her cover, bushco made the world less safe from those who would acquire and use wmd's

This isn't exactly news anymore.

I highly recommend reading "The Gulf War Did Not Take Place" by Jean Baudrillard.

Is this review 2000-2010 week or something?

I remember in Canada, english-media class in the early 90's they showed us a documentary how US media was using fake Iraqi's in US back alley streets to create fake news even then... blew my mind.. up until that point I thought the news was unbiased pure truth. Nope, it's just politics and advertisements for war merch (literally the coverage of precision military strikes as basically a commercial for that "product"). Sickening.

From 2002-2008, the Bush Administration used the Mainstream Media to influence public opinion on, and create support for, the Iraq invasion, Guantanamo Bay, and terrorism coverage using the major TV and radio networks.

the title is bullshit

the title presumes that stupid little GWB somehow arm-twisted the entire MSM to go along with his pet wars and war crimes

when in fact the MSM is part of the unaccountable, deep state establishment

the MSM was going to run the same "news", on the same days, regardless if Bush or Gore was POTUS

just look at the MSM now

bounce over to http://cnn.com

i have no idea what they are saying at the moment, but there about an 80% chance its some anti-Trump propaganda. literal opinion pieces on the front page of a so-called "news" organization

I think I regret my vote for Bush way more than I ever will for Trump.

Yeah, I remember the day Colin admitted it was all a lie. Most people knew it anyway.

and All the people who tried to tell the world about his their LIES were called IDIOTS and Conspiracy theorists that were Actually FACTS!

It's getting to the point where calling someone a conspiracy theorist will have the Streisand Effect ... which would be pretty cool when I think about it!

This would make for an interesting remake of American Sniper. Occasionally show clips from the original movie, but the primary action happens with men in suits directing his every move via propaganda.

I've heard that being "Dixie Chicked" is a commonly used phrase in the country music industry to describe being basically shut down for expressing political opinions that don't jive with what the industry and fans agree with.

I heard it being tossed around quite a bit after the Vegas shooting.

Thank you. A reading on yellow journalism is quite enlightening. For anyone interested in a bit more, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_of_the_Spanish–American_War

Interesting. But Iraq did invade Kuwait, no?

I wonder what the Obama administration used the MSM for. Obama was even more corrupt than Bush, and was probably the worst president the US has ever had. He was also caught spying on journalists, spying on political opposition, and signing legislation to legalize domestic propaganda, and that's just what we know about.

Guess it's time to start bumping some dixie chicks in the club mixes, huh?

No. People will still blindly follow the authoritative powers as they would rather do that than realize the lie that they have been living.

How did bush control the media but trump doesn't?

Ugh, looking at frame per second video of the free fall of building 7 was not super readily available to everyone - and there was definitely not endless platforms to post said videos like there is Now.

Decades before that Henry Thoreau was talking about the corrupt press in regards to pushing the Mexican-American war, "(...)probably no country was ever ruled by so mean a class of tyrants as, with a few noble exceptions, are the editors of the periodical press in this country. And as they live and rule only by their servility, and appealing to the worst, and not the better nature of man, the people who read them are in the condition of the dog that returns to his vomit."

Although this whole propaganda thing has been going on for literally many centuries.

Bush Sr helped build the architecture that ran PSYOPs for Bill Clinton

Um, I call bull shit. The neocons went after Clinton his entire presidental term, and now they are back, with Trump leading the charge for a corruption of the American democracy.

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