No. Humans cannot go to "outer space" and "aliens" are merely inter-dimensional beings, who have been here for millions of years, just like humans. There is an inner Earth, where some of these "beings" come from...

Happy dreams!

Care to share how you arrived at these conclusions?

Lots of reading (hidden ancient books), drinking, smoking, and thinking... From Sumeria, to Babylon, to Egypt, to Rome... The "dark" priest class truly fucked up, which caused the Great Deluge. You want to be immortal? lol, you are, well... your soul being is, at least. Those trying to become immortal via physical manifestation fear the after life, for the Astral sins they have committed. Rats, trapped in a corner...

More drinking than thinking?

Nah, stay in a dry town cabin in the woods, and get back to me ;)

You must be in one of the states where weed is legal.

I am, but don't partake, these days. Shit makes me paranoid.. I haven't found the right "strain"...

Me too. I never liked weed.

We all pick our poisons, it's just a matter of what we do under the influence... Some choose religion, some choose drugs, some choose other things, all of which affect everyone differently, and that is the beauty of all of this...

Universe is endless so chance for intelligent alien life is endless.

Technically the Universe isn't endless, it is constantly expanding, yes, and even increasing its rate of expansion...but that in itself means it isn't endless. The Universe has a defined width of about 96 billion light years...that's a far cry from endless.

Endless means there is no end...if somehow we could travel faster than light (and I mean waaaaaay faster) we could conceivably reach the edge of the Universe. The point at which something existed on one side and nothing on the other. That is an end. The Universe is expanding into something (nothingness?) which means it does have an end, we just cant reach it, but it exists.

you cant get faster. scientist only talk about the visible universe nothing else. it could be that in this universe there are many bigbangs that happened in spots all over we can not say it didnt happen because we can only see so far back in time.

you cant get faster

Not necessarily. Anti-Matter and ways of "warping" space have been proposed as FTL candidates. If you can believe that the Universe has no end, why can't I believe that FTL travel might be possible in the distant future?

it could be that in this universe there are many bigbangs that happened in spots all over we can not say it didnt happen because we can only see so far back in time.

Actually, by listening to and mapping the CMB radiation we can look back pretty damn far, to about 360,000 years after the Big Bang based on inflation and our current understanding of the Universe and Physics. The CMB is the remnant of that expansion, the residual noise of radiation the universe left behind in its expansion. This tells us quite a bit about the Universe itself.

That said, I think that rather than multiple Big Bangs within the context of our own Universe, it is far more likely that what we understand as the Big Bang is really the opposite end of a Singularity at the center of a Black Hole, which is what Holographic Theory seems to point towards- that all Information in a 3d Space can be encoded on its 2d edge. This would be analogous to a Black Hole and its Event Horizon. I think it's possible our Universe exists within a Black Hole and that all Black Holes may contain Universes.

Faster then light is not possible ill explain later.

Bigbangs on top of each other would cancel the previous one thus making it impossible to know what was before.

Holographic comes close leonard susskind is on the right track but it will lead to 2d universe and that means simulations. so in a sim you need some kind of clock speed to run it all . speed of light is related to the clock speed of the sim. if in one cycle the process is not calculated because of too difficult of a calculation the speed of light is broken. thus no FTL

but it will lead to 2d universe and that means simulations

The reason I don't think this has to is because we have physical phenomena in our own Universe that can explain these rules. This doesn't require an exterior force. If a Black Hole and its Event Horizon can describe the connection between 2D/3D I don't think we need to say we live in a simulation...I think we could jsut accept that the Universe and its dimensions work on a deeper level and are intimately connected. Which would also eliminate the need for the overarching CPU to "regulate" the Universe and thus allow FTL.

I think you and I agree on a lot more than we realize, I just don't think the Universe is infinite.

it is in it finite ways infinite. anyhow the chance that we live in baseOne or SimOne is 1 in billions. so we could even be living in some pirated version of universe 2.0 on some nerds pc in a different dimension.

The reason I don't think this has to be is because we have physical phenomena in our own Universe that can explain these rules.

Feynman said there are only particles in this world, yet we know of waves. where are the waves? they are not here. If an particle is not seen it is everywhere until it becomes an particle, speaking of infinities. luckely they go into + and - and cancel each other out, maybe the same goes for the universe

don't forget the power of sim universes, now we have endlessness in endlessnesses. that's just for the first universe.

this sounds like basic calculus, right? (not to sound condescending ... my basic calculus is weak AF)

in any case, it's a limit, right?. just because something infinitely approaches something does not mean it is that thing. so f(x) can infinitely approach 1, but that is explicitly not 1.

we don't know that it isn't endless, we cant see the end. but in the visible universe the amount of stars would for a human mind be seen as endless. like atoms in an ocean.

we don't know that it isn't endless, we cant see the end.

Maybe from a Philosophical POV, but as far as modern Astrophysicists are concerned the math checks out and the Universe does have an end. I agree that for all intense and purposes, it seems endless, and as far as the human life is concerned it is, but in reality it does have an end, just as it had a beginning. It is expanding, which means it is constantly going from a current state into a new one. If we had the technology to travel FTL (and I mean super FTL), we could conceivably reach the edge of the Universe. The fact that it is expanding means it isn't endless.

No scientist on earth has ever seen the end of the universe thus we can not say it isn't endless. No way of proving it.

Like I said, we are talking about differences between Philosophy and Science at this point. The Math and observational results of our own part of the Universe support that it isn't endless...the standard model and modern Physics in general doesn't support an endless Universe theory. Maybe that will be proven wrong one day, but as it stands now, to the best of our understanding, the Universe had a beginning, and it has an end, it is expanding but is finite in nature.

what can be seen must have a limit thus the maths see an end. this is not philosopy but maths in it self. We simple dont know enough to make statements about the universe.

anyhow there are like 10²⁴ stars and thats a big number

I'm not arguing about the sheer scope of the Universe as implied by the amount of stars. I agree, it's a pretty fucking big place. But it isn't endless. Math is Universal, its principles can be extrapolated. And casting all that aside- if the Universe was actually endless, that would mean it had no beginning. It would also mean that there would be no blackness in the night sky...if the Universe was Infinite and had always existed, every nook and cranny would be filled with stars and visible light. The fact that it is not disproves that it is endless and infinite.

K the chance of alien intelligent life is 0.0000000001 so that would leave us with 10¹⁴ stars with life.

I'm not saying ET doesn't exist. Our main argument is whether or not the Universe has an end. I think it does.

why because we humans have an end and stars en everything around us. but there are also stars still being born. we can't see the end so we dont know. it's like asking what is before the bigbang one will never know.

Many planetoids exist in habitable zones similar to our earth. It’s foolish to assume ETI doesn’t exist.

I never said ET didn't exist. Me and OP were arguing about whether or not the Universe was infinite. ET can exist without an infinite Universe...

Sorry couldn’t resist lol. It baffled me as well

You can't say the math checks out when we can't see 40 something billion light years away to confirm it.

The math is nothing more than a hypothesis

That's our universe. It's very possible that other universes far away have had their own "big bang" and are also existing in parallel to ours. For example, think about the size of an electron and how far away it is relative to other electrons. Sure, our universe is expanding, but what is it expanding "into"? Our concept of our universe itself may be limited in scale by our understanding of what it actually is. There may be an infinite number of big bangs existing for an infinite amount of time. Think of a fractal.

The observable universe you mean. The observable part is there because we don’t know if there’s more that we just haven’t seen.

That's one interpretation of one theory. Even within that one theory there are other interpretations where you go reasonably say that the Universe is endless.

Intelligent life in our galaxy seems to be what is relevant. Even Star Trek can't jump outside our galaxy.

doing this out of memory but there are 10¹² stars in our galaxy and if the chance is 0.0000000001 it would still be 200 stars with life.

doing this out of memory but there are 1012 stars in our galaxy and if the chance is 0.0000000001 it would still be 200 stars with life.

But you have no way to know what the right number is. It might just as well be 1 in 10¹² there is zero information and no way to know until we have some. Now if we find as much as a single cell organism somewhere else then that's a different story.

the idea that we are the only one does not come from science but from the narcissistic properties of humanity. they want to be important and thus create stories and myth to for fill that role. the same goes think you are alone in the universe. that everything was created for you. it is verrrrrrry likely there is other life in this galaxy alone

it is verrrrrrry likely there is other life in this galaxy alone

You can't use the word likely in this context because there is no information to base that on. We have explored one planet pretty well, it has life (including us). When we explore some others and find something then we will know.

OTOH; if we explore and don't find anything that still won't tell us much because of the huge numbers of planets. But term "likely" is meaningless here.

there is information to come to such a conclusion. there is life here and this is a planet going round a star. now that happens all over the the universe thus it is very likely that there is other life.

Laws of probability.

I spent a lot of time working with probability and statistics so maybe you can help me here.

Let's say there are 10¹² planets (someone else's number but it's probably as good as any). There is one of those planets that is known to have life. There is no other information.

Could you show me how you would calculate the "Laws of probability" that any of these other planets has life from that information? Could you post the equation?

ez A^L = stars known life, A^NL stars known no life(like us) B = stars unknow T = total stars

chance for life in galaxy = (A^L + RandomIntegerFromWithIn B)/T

You dont know till you measure.

Exactly.

Imagine a game of minesweeper 10⁶ x 10⁶ and you have to predict how many mines there are and you know nothing but you may click ones and on that click you hit a mine. what would your guess be? Now what if you get an other try and it a mine again so now 2 out 2, how many mines? See you know there are mines and why would there be only one that wouldn't make sense a game created for one mine.

Now what if you get an other try

But we haven't had our other try yet.

so now 2 out 2

That's exactly what I am saying, when that day comes we will know something, right now we don't.

there is information to come to such a conclusion. there is life here and this is a planet going round a star.

Right so the current known number is 1 in 10^12.

There is no other information so you can't say "likely" based on anything other than personal belief.

No that's not true the current known number is 1 in 1 we haven't visited any stars yet.

So you can't assign any number to the places we haven't visited, which is exactly my point. But if you want to rephrase it you could say the ratio is 1:1 in areas we have explored and UNKNOWN in areas we have not.

Since we are only concerned about areas we have not visited we have no information. So you could say the ratio is known to be at least 1 in 10^12, or you can say that we have no information to make a guess with.

But you can't say something is "likely" based on anything other than personal feeling.

No the ratio is 1 in 1 for now one star with life. and there is a possibility that it's between 1 in 10¹² and 1, but we'll wont know till we have visited the star. so the correct answer is between 1 in 10¹² and 1 for the galaxy.

in other words the fact that there is life here on the first star with so many to go does make it verrrrry likely :P

in other words the fact that there is life here on the first star with so many to go does make it verrrrry likely

You were right up until here. But then again I'm not sure that ":p" is supposed to mean, perhaps you are kidding?

You are correct, there is a 1 in 1 chance there is life on earth. All other planets the answer is null.

Something can be endless without anything in it....

No it can't

Denk aan een vacuum dat oneindig is. Zonder iets erin....

iets wat niks heeft, geen materie of energy, kan ook niet bestaan.

something that has nothing is nothing

even the thing you call vacuum of space, is riddled with energy so there is "shit" in it.

They are out there, but we'll never see them in our lifetime.

Unless you believe in them entering your dreams.

Thank God i own them both

I had a college work study job in the mid 1970's working at the small local airport. It was sparely used by small private planes and in the summer, fire fighting aircraft. Generally a pretty backwater place, small town of less than 10,000.

My duties largely consisted of punching holes in new FAA releases to file in binders, and tearing off the airport weather tickertape. I did this every day for a couple of hours.

My boss was an old timey FAA geezer waiting to retire; straight, square, and government drone through and through.

One day he handed me a government business card. It was a 1-800 report a UFO hotline call card. I didn't know why he gave it to me and I looked at it with question and put it in my wallet. I kept it slotted in a pocket of my wallet for years.

One day I made a call at pay phone and left my wallet in the phone booth. Not knowing it was even missing, I got a call from a local Good Samaritan who had found my wallet in the phone booth and wished to return it to me. He came to my house and gave me back my wallet, refusing any kind of reward (I was a poor student in a sad state of housing.)

After he left I looked through my returned wallet - everything was there. Drivers license, cash, bits and stuff, all there.

The call 1-800 UFO card was gone. I've never seen another one.

Just sayin'.

(All true, every word of it)

You didn't ask your boss about the card at all? Before and after it went missing?

No.

It was just one of those quirky personal treasures people keep stuffed away somewhere.

After I wrote that post I mentioned the story to my spouse. He said something about Operation Blackbird?

Ooo I just got super creeped out from this

I absolutely believe in it.

I absolutely believe they have not been here.

Anything 'alien' is 99.8% likely to be the government.

I think we will find alien life very soon, and it will be a very, very, very long time before we meet intelligent life.

No. I don't believe in ET existence. Belief is what you call that which you have no information, data, or proof for.

I don't "believe" in ETs. I know they're real. I have knowledge and understanding that they exist. Not only is there the information related in this video, but I also had experiences when young that also let me know.

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I’ve no problem talking about it in the least, but to be honest, pretty much everything that happened I related in the second link I put in the previous post above.

I don’t recall any face to face communication with any ETs or anything like that. What Jim Sparks relates in the video that’s in the second link I posted is honestly pretty amazing. He says he’s almost always fully awake during everything that's happened to him. That’s incredible. In my case, I was a young kid and was absolutely terrified as it was all happening. It’s the most frightening thing that’s ever happened in my life by far - and I'm middle aged now.

That said, I don’t recall ever actually being harmed. I was frightened simply because I had no idea what was going on, what was happening was completely like nothing I’d ever experienced before or since, and nothing was ever explained to me while it was happening. Wish it would have been. That would have likely helped a lot.

Frightening/traumatizing as it was or not, however, I am A) utterly fascinated by ET existence on and around this planet now, and B) I absolutely know (not "believe" - know) that ETs exist here. No question.

We are beyond not alone.

I actually believe wholeheartedly that there is no extra terrestrial life, because there is no land beyond the plane on which we live.

Correct, and if people still don't believe this research electromagnetism and sonoluminescence to expand your thoughts on what this place really is.

I believe other life forms from other planets surely exist, but the chances of them having visited Earth during the time of human beings are next to nil.

I believe and I think the pieces are already there for us to piece together

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7olabc/megapost_i_spent_2017_trying_to_make_some_solid/?utm_content=title&utm_medium=user&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=frontpage

There's more out there than we know. I don't know that it's aliens. It could be future humans. It could be alternate dimension beings.

But there's something more advanced than us and more intelligent than us

Obviously humans are the smartest and only beings in our vast vast universe. /S

It’s not that ETs don’t reach out to us en masse because we act too stupid to appear universally civilized.

What about ultra terrestrial life, beings that manifest in consciousness providing visions to key people that ignites their drive to change the world. I would guess they treat the world like a thermostat. The human population is too "cold" the ultra terrestrials would provide an appearance to set off a sequence of events.

"Disney Land of the Gods" covers some of these idea. Also jacques Valle videos (i have not read his books)

If you believe we live in a simulation, then extraterrestrials definitely exists. The only problem is how do we prove we are in one?

You don't need believe.

UFOs, aliens, whatever exist without your believe in them. You don't need to believe in air for it to exist. It exists regardless.

Are what is understood as UFOs aliens? Perhaps some are but the question "are they real?" has been answered for 70 years. Guess what the answer was and is.

UFO and alien done belong in the same sentence. UFO literally means unidentified.

Say spaceships and aliens next time.

You are not the first to say that but after 70 years, we all know what is intended with the word UFO.

So id they're Identified can you provide me with all the facts on them can you?

We know Government Black Projects exist - Literally thousands of them.

Why is it so unreasonable to call a Spade a Spade? I love the idea of Aliens as much as the next guy but damn man, WE HAVE NO PROOF OF E.T LIFE VISITING EARTH.

We have Mythology, Rumor and Witness testimony - None of which are PROOF of E.T life existing on, in or around Earth.

Why can't we wait for #1. Disclosure or #2. Actual Contact?

UFO is not assumed to be anything apart from exactly what it stands for.

It is people that watch too much TV that go ahead to assume Aliens, Aliens, Aliens.

I live 1km from Australias largest Airforce base and let me tell you this - some of the shit they have is mindboggling. No doubt Humans have ALOT of secret tech that has not been shared with the public.

Don't get me wrong though, like I said, I love the idea of Aliens as much ad the next guy but I am all about being as logical as possible without letting Hollywood persuade my opinion.

I do believe in extraterrestrial life. Demons also fall into this term for me. I'm agnostic. All I can say that's it's going to get weird and scary soon.

We live in a simulation so no. It’s funny we live the perfect distance away from the sun, plenty of water and perfect temperatures to live. Seems almost fantasy and Also the fact we’ve been here such a long time and have had 0 contact with aliens at all.

“God” is just a programmer

The universe is huge, there's bound to be intelligent life somewhere.

Elon Musk said something at this one conference about how it would take 10 million years for an advanced species to colonize the galaxy with von neumann probes, and that's at sublight speed. He went on to conclude that they're likely watching us and we're not smart enough to know that.

When you combine that with the various testimony of UFOs, you get a picture that ETs are inevitably here on earth.

I absolutely believe there is alien life out there. There's just way too many potential planets for them to have developed for us to be the only ones.

As for how close? I have no idea. We might have already or we might never. There's really no way to know other than guessing.

The existence of alien life somewhere in the universe is almost certain. That some kind of intelligently controlled craft that perform feats that defy the laws of physics as we currently understand them is also almost certain. Whether the latter comes from the former is the big question.

Read "UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record" and you will be firmly convinced that there are true UFOs that have been in Earth's atmosphere for at least decades.

Belief or nonbelief collapses in the wake of evidence.

https://imgur.com/a/GN4wQ

Im a believer but all of those pictures look like literally nothing.

Literally? Try turning your monitor on. Figuratively? Here's the highlights:

https://imgur.com/a/BnX2z

Given that every star is capable of supporting a star system, possibly even life, and then factoring in the multitue of galaxies...Put it this way: I view it as a mathematical impossibility that we are all alone in the vast canvas of space.

Because the universe in one organism.?!

Extra terrestrials exist on our planet which is much much bigger than we are thought.

you cant get faster. scientist only talk about the visible universe nothing else. it could be that in this universe there are many bigbangs that happened in spots all over we can not say it didnt happen because we can only see so far back in time.

what can be seen must have a limit thus the maths see an end. this is not philosopy but maths in it self. We simple dont know enough to make statements about the universe.

anyhow there are like 10²⁴ stars and thats a big number

I'm not saying ET doesn't exist. Our main argument is whether or not the Universe has an end. I think it does.

No it can't