The trench war between TopMindsofReddit and reddit's free thinkers has just escalated dramatically

12  2018-01-07 by brigitt_steinheis

Hey guys, it's (almost) the first time I post actually (not that much of an English writer so please excuse errors). Also I don't consider myself a conspiracy theorist per say, but nobody cares about that. I think you should be able to theorize. I agree there's something fishy about 911 though. And also I think the attacks you've been subjected to are a conspiracy (just see the couple of threads on your sub right now about the holocaust, and how they are being brigaded).

Anyway, I thought I'd bring something to your attention.

I've been following the way /r/TopMindsofReddit (and other pastures) have been attacking you. It used to be /r/conspiratard, so nothing new under the sun. I understand people don't like whining girls, and I tend to agree, but I still side with the girls on this one (I understand the very few females among you are the main targets).

I was browsing /r/SubredditDrama, and I found this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/7olbwg/the_trench_war_between_topmindsofreddit_and/

Here is the archived link the poster referenced:

https://archive.fo/PFhBe

Not sure what to think about this. It sure seems a bit extreme. Do you think it is serious? Is it a false flag? Do you think it could endanger this community (or other communities), if the threats are actually real? Can something be unethical and exciting at the same time?

That's it. Downvote if irrelevant. Bye from Germany.

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TMOR is a hate sub and wouldn't have such an outcry directed towards them if they weren't such belligerent, childish assholes. They attack genuine, kind users all in an attempt to stifle free speech. I wish r/topmindsexposed the best of luck.

Is that a new private sub? I want in!

Me too!

Sigh, what I last said to this user.

TL;DR: Playing their game, you may now have something that actually ignites but your just using fear of exposure against them which is not cool, and I am pretty sure in this day and age of fake callers, hackers, etc, will land them in jail (Not a friendly one) real quick.

Not supporting TMoR, they are scumbags, but these tactics are just as dirty, if not more extreme.

This stuff will bring you up to date on 911 at least ..

The official lie says "nineteen Moslem hijackers under the direction of Osama Bin Laden, attacked the United States!”

OBL denied responsibility as a Moslem, while the campaign against him began in an interview between Jerome Hauer and Dan Rather at CBS News, in New York on the morning of the attacks!

There were no hijackers the planes that struck the WTC Towers were piloted by remote control, using hardware developed by Rabbi Dov Zakheim, who with Zionists Jerome Hauer and Michael Chertoff engineered the whole project!

The 911 attacks were carried out by Jews who have infiltrated the US social and political order at every level, along with traitors in the CIA and in the halls of Government.

The under 3000 dead line is one of the mainstay falsehoods of the entire conspiracy, 2:48 PM September 11, 2001, estimates of 50,000 dead in New York were bandied about.

NIST Engineer Sunder said, "on 911 there were between 8,500 and 9,000 occupants in each building," ABC News Anchor Peter Jennings while the drama was still unfolding said, "the normal total of workers at the WTC Towers was around eighty thousand."

Sunder's total of between seventeen and eighteen thousand in the Towers, makes some sixty two thousand or so absent using Peter Jennings figures.

Evidence of Mossad Treachery at the WTC, by Ed Toner .. Nearly 500 foreign nationals from over 80 different nations, were killed in the World Trade Center.

As a center of world trade and finance this is not surprising, it is known many Israelis work in the field of international trade and finance.

The laws of probability dictate there should have been a considerable number of Israelis dead.

Alon Pinkas Israel’s Consul General in New York, confirmed one Israeli dead in each of the planes that crashed into the towers, and one more who had been at the WTC on business.

Lt Richard Smiouskas FDNY, 27 November 2001 .. after the North Tower air strike "an engineer got me onto the roof of WTC 2, I saw people in the windows they weren't jumping they were being forced out."

The NYPD refused to attempt helicopter rescues for those trapped in the burning towers, while the official death toll of some under three thousand is to fit the four hundred dead Jews on the official list.

Who were the ones who stayed and threw others from windows according to Smiouskas testimony, who were sold out when NYPD choppers never showed up.

The shots of the Pentagon taken after impact and before the facade collapsed showed a hole about the size of a suburban garage, no sign of a plane at all..

And no plane in Pennsylvania despite assertions the Happy Schmooligans blasted Flight 93 out of the sky, plenty of paper littering the landscape and burn marks in the trees but no plane.

Guided Missile at the WTC

Cruise Missile at the Pentagon on 911

We talked to people who were with Larry Silverstein on 9/11, he got a phone call telling him not to show up at work, he called his daughter and she never showed up either. Rudkowski, Prison Planet.

 Hey there Honey get rid of them blues
 Daddy’s getting money you’ll be wearin’ new shoes
 Turn on the telly it’ll be on the news
 Stay at home today like the rest of the Jews

 Cause today were gonna blow… Woo Woo /
 Down the freakin buildings go Woo Woo /
 We collect the dough Woo Woo /
 Stay at home and watch the show… Woo Woo Woo Woodledoodledoo Rip it up Frank

 Hey Man you say that four thou were away
 That’s a lotta bodies at the end of the day
 This is the way I see it don’t wanna be crass
 There’s a whole lotta Jews thatta gotta get put on trial ///

The American Securities and Exchange Commission says Israeli citizens sold short a list of stocks, that could reasonably be expected to fall in value as a result of the attacks.

They operated out of stock exchanges in Canada and in Germany, while their profits were specifically stated to be in the hundred$ of million$ of dollars. Christopher Bollyn.

It was via the buddy system on Odigo software, which allows one to communicate to a large group of people that share a trait such as the Hebrew language, that thousands of Israelis were warned not to go to the twin towers on 9/11. RBN News

Odigo and Mossad are based in Herzliya north of Tel Aviv, after 9/11 Odigo was taken over by Comverse Technology another Israeli company, within a year five executives from Comverse were reported to have profited by more than $267 million from “insider trading.” Rumormillnews.

Then we need to take a look at the "Celebrating Jews of 911" Yaron Shmuel and Sivan & Paul Kurzberg, who were arrested in New York on 911 filming the attack in their words to "document the event," all of whom were residents of Brisbane Australia.

I intend to jump about in glee as they, the entire Mossad cell in Brisbane that spawned them and the Australian political hierarchy that grants them free passage, are brought to just trial and legal execution under the same US laws were breached on the day!

Cool, danke, I will definitely look at it.

I do the JFK assassination as well ..

The dancing Israelis Is a mainstream fact. Google it

Upvoted, No clue why its here, but I like it.

Because I said something is fishy about 911. That's what I like about this place by the way, you never miss a chance to document/link your findings, even if it's seemingly off-topic.

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Wow this is horrible stuff (imgur album). I had no idea it went that far. I'm almost starting to sympathize with the hacker.

Also, I cross-posted TMoR on this thread here, because I want to hear their take. Hopefully they won't downvote the thread too much (or attack me as they attack you because I said "I side with the girls" (I'm female myself)).

They've already downvoted THIS thread :)

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Don't you feel that writing what gets to you will actually make things worse? You are divulging a weak spot ...

I mean they have been stalking me long enough to know about me and my weak points.

I just want to be honest with the community I established.

I understand.

Anyway, the people doing this to you must be very sad deep down. I (honestly) feel sorry for them. Still excited to see what will come of the hacker thingy.

Save your compassion for those with heartsnand souls.

I had to put topmindsexposed on private because they attacked so much.

Totally not because your group doxxed a few of our users and 40 alts got suspended right?

I never was involved in that. The guy who did it got in trouble.

Admins would have banned me now had they found any evidence.

You went private to hide the evidence. It was your group who did it.

Uh the admins can still view my sub on private.

No shit. You’re hiding the evidence for everyone else. The good people of con you are trying to fool here.

I havent removed or hidden anything.

You’ve hidden the whole sub wtf

It is on private.

Aka hidden to everyone but approved submitters

Admins can view it and any action that was taken on the sub. Nothing could be removed even if I removed it because they could go into whatever they wanted technically.

Do you understand how it works? Even if I remove a post as a mod it is always there in a way.

I’m not saying you are hiding it from the admins, I’m says if your hiding it from everyOne else

I have nothing to prove to anybody else. If people want to send me a pm about it, they are always welcome to.

The truth needs no censorship

K

You've seen the imjur of that. He was immediately shut down and banned. The sub went private to prevent that crap from happening again. If anyone in that sub wanted to doxx, it would've happened by now. We just want the stalking, brigading and harassment to stop.

By the way, I think the same user that pulled the doxx threat did the same on Voat or the chans, if I heard right. He's been reported to admins and I'm sure they'll get to the bottom of who actually set that up- likely the mod that was "threatened".

The sub went private to prevent that crap from happening again

Left to your own devices you would dox us again? Really says a lot about the quality of your users you got there

Uh, know. Your reading comprehension is lacking, so let me rephrase. If anyone in that sub had the desire to doxx, it would've happened by now. Fact is, we are all very much against doxxing and would never consider it. That is why that user was immediately doxxed and now only users that are vetted can participate.

Hahaha! That's some pathetic shit.

Go fuck a moose, Br00ce

We didn't know he had all those alts. He also said that he didn't post it and that he thought it was planted by TMOR.

She put it on private because we were getting brigaded by TMOR too hard.

All those alts were banned by the Reddit admins so yeah I think it’s safe to say they were all his

everything that proves me wrong is a false flag REEE

That is not proof. I do not know why the admins banned the accounts that they did. Could have just been for simple ban evasion.

everything that proves me wrong is a false flag REEE

No need to attempt arise negative emotions from me with a copy/paste. It is utterly obvious to me what you are trying to do. Makes me wonder if you yourself would fall victim to it. Comments like these only serve to make you look like a jerk.

If they all got banned for ban evasion that would still show its the same person so idk what you even gained for trying to deflect like that.

You also don’t know what copypasta is

If they all got banned for ban evasion that would still show its the same person so idk what you even gained for trying to deflect like that.

What I am saying is that I don't know if the admins banned the guy for doxxing or for ban evasion.

It is not deflecting. I am just saying what I think honestly.

You also don’t know what copypasta is.

Incorrect. I have been aware of copypasta and basic internet troll tactics like yours for almost 20 years. Just because what you posted is copypasta doesn't make it ok.

If you think “ree” is copypasta then idk what to tell you. You are just plain wrong

You posted the same thing in multiple comments in this thread...

I didn’t tho... Are you ok? Are you smelling toast?

Can't seem to find it. I am pretty sure it was used in reply to one of polkadotgirl's comments. Wouldn't put it past you to delete it and then make this comment.

I think you’re just confused fren

Do you have proof that all those alts belong to one user, do you know why those alts have been banned and do you know if any of the banned alts are affiliated with the user that threatened doxx?

I've seen some "research" from a TMoR poster but it was just guessing.

There is a post that I believe is still stickied on our sub I would start there.

This sub? Not seeing it.

Topmindsofreddit

And what does that prove? This doesn't answer any of my questions at all. It doesn't link this user to the alts that TMoR is guessing are affiliated and doesn't prove that some of the list of alts TMoR has were banned for doxxing. It is simply someone at TMoR making guesses. For all we know, the person that was "threatened" owns the alt that made the threat.

If the person threatened posted their own dox then nobody would have been banned. Posting your iwnndox isn’t against the rules

I'm talking about all those banned accounts in the list on TMoR. How do you know those accounts have anything to do with a guy that made doxx threats of site. Y'all have no proof at all why any of these accounts were banned or if they are at all affiliated or who they belong to.

It is nice to hear that a TMoR user agrees that "threatened doxx" should be bannable, though (hi CNN!) because I agree.

>Someone is doxxed

> gets reported

> people get banned

> BUT HOW ARE THEY CONNECTED?!?!

Those accounts could've been banned for all sorts of things- ban evasion is my first guess. What does it have to do with this one account that made doxx threat?

TMoR "connecting dots".

The irony.

If they were reported for dox, they wouldn’t be looking for ban evasion

They would be banned for evasion if admins were given a list of alts and it was determined they were evading bans. Right now you are guessing.

Why would they check it? You think they are checking it every single rule when reported? Think they checked for vote manipulation too?

Dude, the actual "doxxer" hasn't even been banned.

You know who isn't around anymore, though? MAGA_Hatter. Figure that out.

He’s still around you dope, he goes by dronetape now

And the supposed doxxer is still around, yet the account that was threatened is gone and all these other accounts were banned??

You know this doesn't add up, right?

Removed. Rule 6. No shouting.

Titles and comments with a large percentage of caps lock, bold text, large fonts or text colors are considered "shouting" and can be removed.

1/4th is not a large percentage. Please stick to your rules.

Seems like 0% would have been just as an effective percentage.

Please mind the sidebar if you feel the need to continue to participate on this board.

Lol. The "doxxer" isn't even banned on Reddit.

And, no, u/Dronetape, I'm not editing my comment. The user that TopMindsExposed banned for pulling a stupid and suspicious doxx setup stunt is not the account you are talking about in your TMoR thread.

Sorry, u/Dronetape, the second suspended account is still not the user that "threatened doxx" in TopMindsExposed.

But if it had been, are you saying that a doxxing threat that actually isn't literal doxx is ban worthy? I'm glad we agree on that.

seems like your last account got suspended for doxxing.

what was is called again? fritzly or something?

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Can you even read? Your link doesn’t say doxxin at all lmao

lol if anyone deserves that its Top Minds degenerates.

Removed. Rule 10.

Be careful - oftentimes your group accuses users if doing things that are incredibly innacurate.

Ironically - threatening to doxx users is one of those things.

I’m not attacking this sub, this subs users, or this subs mods. How does that fall under rule 10?

False claims against a user.

um not false, admins confirmed and banned a ton of accounts responsible

Im also specifically attacking another sub and its users, not this one.

Were they /u/polkadotgirl's users? Or just users associated with alts and other subs.

If PDG's users were behind it (as you try and portray here) then PDG would have been disciplined as well.

Unless you can prove the association - it's deliberately miscinstruing the situation to besmirch the reputation of a /r/conspiracy user.

Do you stand by your claim?

If PDG's users were behind it (as you try and portray here) then PDG would have been disciplined as well.

Thats not how things work. PDG would only be disciplined if she was directly involved which was not my claim.

If PDG's users were behind it (as you try and portray here) then PDG would have been disciplined as well.

Thats not how things work. PDG would only be disciplined if she was directly involved which was not my claim.

Really?

Totally not because your group doxxed a few of our users and 40 alts got suspended right?

Oh.

Yes really. If a r/conspiracy user doxxed someone they wouldnt ban every single mod of r/conspiracy. You have been on the site long enough, you should know this.

Do you stand by your statement?

I stand by the statement that users from her subreddit doxxed people from my subreddit yes.

I stand by the statement that users from her subreddit doxxed people from my subreddit yes.

Finally moving the goalposts. Excellent. Be careful with your word choices from here on out. You've already had to change your words now.

Now - why do you think moderators own subs? Why is it your subreddit (that exists to mock and target harassment at users, might I add)? Is it really just you moderators yucking it up on alts making fun of us or is there an independent thought in that armpit of a sub?

It makes sense if you think subs are just little digital armies of users (I guess?) but that just seems so toxic. And petty.

I changed the words but the message was the same. I was just clarifying since you seemed confused.

Top mods own subreddits, subreddits are essentially real estate. I do not own TMoR, I was just trying to clearly separate the two. I own whatever subs I am the top mod of. Like I own /r/google. I can do whatever I want there including shutting it down. Wether or not thats morally right is a whole different debate, but thats how things work.

TMoR has 60k subs. Do you honestly believe the mods made 60k accounts to circlejerk about yall? The mods dont care about secrecy, we openly mock you. We dont take it seriously enough to put that much effort into it.

I changed the words but the message was the same. I was just clarifying since you seemed confused.

Not confused at all. You were the only unable to discern that your twisting of the truth is an attack.

Top mods own subreddits, subreddits are essentially real estate. I do not own TMoR, I was just trying to clearly separate the two.

Why do they need to be separated? One spends time mocking the other - and the other goes about it's business and defends itself when it can. One exists without the other - one is simply sad and parasitic.

I own whatever subs I am the top mod of. Like I own /r/google. I can do whatever I want there including shutting it down. Wether or not thats morally right is a whole different debate, but thats how things work.

I would argue the community owns those subs and you are twisting the social contract you have with them.

TMoR has 60k subs.

And this one has 550k.

Do you honestly believe the mods made 60k accounts to circlejerk about yall?

Only about 15-20 accounts actually post on that sub. Whats the traffic stats? Uniques? I'll share mine if you share yours.

The mods dont care about secrecy, we openly mock you. We dont take it seriously enough to put that much effort into it.

We both know none of this is true ;)

Why do they need to be separated?

I was just trying to make sure people didnt get them confused in the conversation. You are reading way too much into this.

And this one has 550k.

Completely irrelevant. Its not a dick measuring competition. Thats not why I brought up the subs.

Whats the traffic stats? Uniques?

http://prntscr.com/hxvjpr

176k uniques but sure only 20 accounts participate there. I dont need you to show me your traffic stats, bc again, its not a dick measuring contest

We both know none of this is true ;)

It is but I guess its your choice to believe in the truth or not. Feel free to join our public discord and see all the evil cabal planning we do.

See ya around, huckleberry.

Lol is that all you can say after all that?

For now I suppose. I've been uo for 18 hours and am off to another facet of my totally normal life.

I was rooting for the Panthers, BTW.

;_;

Will this guy stop? I did nothing wrong and the admins disciplined the guy with the alts. I did not know he was doing that. I already explained myself several times.

This guy is absolutely miscrepresenting the situation.

I did nothing nor did I collaborate with any others to do anything. The admins would have banned me by now.

Will this guy stop?

Not until we stop feeding it but sometimes I do enjoy throwing some scraps at the pets. It keeps them coming back to the table (only to be dissappointed). Perhaps that's how they should be treated. Just a thought.

I did nothing wrong and the admins disciplined the guy with the alts. I did not know he was doing that. I already explained myself several times.

I know.

This guy is absolutely miscrepresenting the situation.

I know. It's what they do.

I did nothing nor did I collaborate with any others to do anything. The admins would have banned me by now.

I know.

Thank you ♡♡♡

Now we're on a slightly more harmonious frequency methinks.

Down with Top Minds

Top Minds are Bottoms

Front bottoms?

Def not power bottoms.

Seriously, they’re just a bunch of faggots with nothing to show for their lives. Who spends their time online in communities whose sole purpose is to mock others?

Losers. Just plain every day losers. It doesn’t have to be any more complicated than that.

I see these people and it’s so pathetic I find it funny. They think they have it all figured out. I’ve met hundreds of people like this in real life and it’s no better there. They’re just worthless fucks. This is the only place they can feel superior. Then then have it. It’s all they’ll ever have.

If we devolve to their level with namecalling, we might as well become them. It'll will all get sorted. Have patience

Just so you know, TMOR are likely the ones down vote brigading this. It is not because it is irrelevant. Thankfully on this sub, people are aware of this and don't miss posts like yours. :)

I post to both TMOR and on various conspiracy subs. I don't think there's a "trench war" at all.

TMOR is naive fuccbois that go around Reddit checking spelling and grammar on the post they can't argue with but want to.

They’re now accusing me of being one of the accounts of the doxxer. It was almost certainly a false flag, the first comment advocating doxxing also advocated swatting, which is just far too controversial and topical right now to believable as sincere.

Additionally, I was the person who first pointed out these comments and said that the commenter should face legal punishment for incitement, which he absolutely should.

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Wow this is horrible stuff (imgur album). I had no idea it went that far. I'm almost starting to sympathize with the hacker.

Also, I cross-posted TMoR on this thread here, because I want to hear their take. Hopefully they won't downvote the thread too much (or attack me as they attack you because I said "I side with the girls" (I'm female myself)).

Don't you feel that writing what gets to you will actually make things worse? You are divulging a weak spot ...

All those alts were banned by the Reddit admins so yeah I think it’s safe to say they were all his

everything that proves me wrong is a false flag REEE

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Can you even read? Your link doesn’t say doxxin at all lmao

I'm talking about all those banned accounts in the list on TMoR. How do you know those accounts have anything to do with a guy that made doxx threats of site. Y'all have no proof at all why any of these accounts were banned or if they are at all affiliated or who they belong to.

It is nice to hear that a TMoR user agrees that "threatened doxx" should be bannable, though (hi CNN!) because I agree.

They would be banned for evasion if admins were given a list of alts and it was determined they were evading bans. Right now you are guessing.

He’s still around you dope, he goes by dronetape now