Yah that was fucking weird. I went to bed Thursday night and there was notthing about the memo on conspiracy. Woke up Friday and the front page is half full of posts about the memo and the other half people bitching that there's not enough posts about the memo. That was some of the most inorganic shit ive ever seen, even manaforts indictment didn't see that level of hype.
It wouldn't seem so weird if you had stayed up Thurs night and watched the movement actually happen. Thousands of organic users shared Twitter handle lists and encouraged others to post like mad, here and at CBTS_stream, as well as the chans. Dozens of folks that I know are real people were banned from Twitter and by 4 am the narrative script hit the MSM that all these people are Russian bots. A few publications even went so far as calling anyone asking to see the memo a traitor.
Moral of the story: if something seems strange, do some research rather than buying what the MSM told you happened while you were sleeping.
All I'm saying is no matter how many people were trying to get the word out, its suspicious to me that something can go from a non story to THE BIGGEST STORY EVER at a time when most of the people who would the people who would typically give a damn are asleep.
Especially given just how little there actually was to go on.
Right. And I swear I saw Stephan Paddock carry up all the guns to his Vegas hotel room himself from my security friends who have access to the footage. You can’t use personal anecdotes as evidence to claim otherwise you know that right?
Hmm how convenient it all happened Thursday night when most of the country is sleeping. I wonder what country would be getting right up around that time though?
You were apparently following this all night/morning (depending on where you’re from) and yet you can’t seem to remember a single name of these accounts? Even though they were “real people” you KNOW are Americans. Got it.
I didn't take any bait. I clearly stated 19 congressional days. Which are work days, which puts the reveal sometime in March. What do you think I didn't pay attention to?
There was an outcry about him going to the WH SCIF back then. He was investigated by the House Ethics committee, cleared, and now he is back with what he saw
my impression, for what it's worth, is that mastigia thought it seemed like a long time, 19 days. it does. and it seems like stupid bait, like a hyped up trailer played over and over again for a disappointing movie.
Color me surprised. I figured if we ever saw it, it'd be because someone leaked to Wikileaks. Maybe Congress will make it public themselves? If they really wanted this public though, it'd already be available. This is all theater.
So Nunes authored a secret memo that his supporters say will cause all of the senior leadership in the FBI to be charged with treason, but the document is so amazing that nobody can see it. And we are buying this bullshit? Getting a FISA wiretap requires credible evidence. So is the problem that the judges were corrupt, or that the evidence was faked? Or just that the evidence implicated GOP members?
Several congressmen did see the memo. It's not secret. It is classifed. But they're doing things above the board to get it to the public. You know it is possible that they were tapping into those phones and emails long before they got an actual warrant. Then used the warrant to retroactively justify the illegal spying going on earlier in the year. That evidence could be a reason for Nunes to have gotten so flummoxed last March. And could be the reason behind the memo. I highly doubt the GOP is implicated in the supposed scandal, otherwise it would have been the Dems pushing to release the memo and not the GOP. We will get to see the memo. Bullshit or not. Just have to be a little patient.
I hadn't considered tapping prior to going to FISA. Carnivore / prism / dcs-3000 could have been used prior to the FISA warrant, and the level of data those tools can grab is pretty scary.
Most of this stuff is way over my head so your reference to Carnivore / prism / dcs-3000 is lost on me, haha. Here's a link delving into this very topic if your interested.
The dossier was used in Oct for the FISA warrant. I have a feeling we’re gonna see all of the GOP candidates were spied on way back in the primaries. No proof of the last part, just a theory
I hadn't thought of that angle. The FBI didn't stop giving subcontractors access to raw FISA information until April 18, 2016. This access had been going on for some time. Proof or not I think it's definitely an interesting theory.
It's supposed to be the biggest thing since Watergate and the perps now get a 19 days head start?
How convenient.
You know what you do if you have evidence that can put such powerful people behind bars? You keep your fucking mouths shut until the moment you show them your arrest warrant.
They've gotten more than a 19 day head start. Nunes saw this shit March '17. Then held a presser. They knew the night of Nov 8 '16. "If that fucking bastard wins we're all gonna hang from nooses".
Getting a FISA wiretap requires credible evidence.
Oh really?
"...The nation's secret intelligence court has identified more than 75 cases in which it says it was misled by the FBI ...to justify its need for wiretaps and other electronic surveillance" 2002
The truth isn't going to be withheld. It's gonna come out in March. Probably around the same time as the IG's report on the DOJ/FBI's handling of the Clinton email case. Should be an interesting month. Get your popcorn ready!
I see this same question everywhere. I'm not looking to argue, but if what this memo leads to (and that is where the sauce i from what I've seen/read so far) is VERY big. Like bigger than watergate BIG. So, we can argue about that as well, but the reason for Trump himself not releasing it, distancing himself is because of course anti-trump folks will have another potential bullet point, case, whatever.
So I don't think its bullshit. I think going from about 5 or so conspiracy memo posts, to zero, then to a couple that are slanted the other way is kinda shitty.
The issue is that a huge part of the blitzkrieg about the memo was that the Democrats were trying to block it's release. We were told it was self-evidently super incriminating BECAUSE the Dems were blocking its release. Out of nowhere the #releasethememo hashtag was the most important thing ever and everyone was crying it was being censored.
Then we find out the Republicans can release it at any moment and we start hearing these excuses that "well, someone pro-Trump can't release it because what about the optics?". These weak excuses about why they can't release it and the 19 day delay makes it obvious that the initial #releasethememo campaign was clearly bullshit intended to still up media coverage.
So no, I vehemently disagree. How you can say this is clearly bullshit, without anything but subjective perspective is inline with disinformation. Stir up media? Well yeah! if this si Watergate level, why not? The thing is man, it isn't' top secret, just classified. And the obvious things its pointing to aren't easily just dismissed.
Y'all think Republicans realized Russian bots were pushing it on twitter? Maybe they realized it was an opinion piece created by the dude who literally jumped out of an Uber to tell the President about an investigation into his actions. Or maybe they remembered that time Nunes' own republican collegeus said he invented the unmasking drama? Or maybe they just accepted the fact that the memo was a completely fabricated story (a nothing burger, if you will) meant solely to discredit the investigation and distract from the numerous controversies which were occurring at that time.
Controlling the story 101: release the memo, let everyone involved in it lock in their lies. Then release the source material.
Or they really are looking for prosecutions and only plan to release to the grand jury. The Dossier is essentially just a memo. Why were we not provided the information it was based on?
Democrats were screeching that he didn't follow proper protocol. He submitted to an ethics committee investigation and was cleared. This memo is about what he saw in March
He wasn't cleared, he was asked to recuse himself from the Russia investigation as he showed his only interested in serving the president and not the people who elected him, and the documents he talked about didn't show what he said they did.
He was cleared by his Republican colleagues. That means nothing. He said he was going to step away from the investigation, which everyone took to mean recusal, but he changed his mind later.
Most importantly the documents he'd been talking about were found to contain a whole lot of nothing.
I'm not worried at all. The Republicans are being ridiculous again by trying to get people to beg them to release their own documents. Nobody wants to stop them.
And I don't know who told you that ethics committee's decisions have to be unanimous. It's not a jury, and ties go to the majority party.
Nunes said back then he wanted to see the committee transcript. So did a lot of people. I'm sure he's seen it by now but again another document that doesn't say what he claims.
The problem I have with releasing just the memo, same for the Dossier, is that even when everything is released and we see all the spin people were doing. After we see the spin there will be people still using the spin as if it was truthful. Either because they were too lazy to see if it was spin, or they are willfully spreading misinformation because it fits whatever narrative they have.
The difference here is that they cannot release any corroborating evidence for the dossier. Because it doesn’t exist. They can spin all they want to about the memo and then they can declassify the source materials. Big difference.
Never said that. You can provide proof without providing sources. The fact that many things in the dossier have been verified show it holds at least a bit of credibility. So yeah actually the burden of proof does fall on the memo side of things because they have yet verify anything or actually release said memo.
That's what I want. We already fucked up with the dossier. Yet we have politicians who are only in this to get elected pushing their base's narrative because they know it'll help them get more votes. All of course so they can make money.
Then release it? Why hold it up? Especially if it has major evidence of treason. My guess is they are waiting for another big Mueller drop to happen so they can use it to deflect.
That's entirely possible. I keep wondering if they are dragging their feet on a lot of things in order to have a steady stream of news putting the opposition in a bad light closer to election time.
This was at like 25 votes 15 minutes ago. Then I think people realized the intentions of the post was not about Twitter censoring the hash tag. OP meant is disappeared because it was manufactured outrage. Then people apparently switched their upvotes to downvotes. It's funny to watch these things in real time.
Right. Then explain why the front page of this sub was filled with release the memo bullshit? Literally it was like 75% of this first page. But then it conveniently disappeared the same time it disappeared everywhere.
its important to also not fall for someone's disillusions and start seeing shadows at every corner yourself
i cant remember any case of reddit straight-up censorship, but i do know that bots exist (duh) and that maybe there are shills (as in paid posters, not people you disagree with), although i find the latter harder to believe, given that noone ever comes forward.
The reason it disappeared is because it was total BS. Nothing whatsoever will ever come from this. Mark my words on that too. This is 100% political crap trying to make Dems be the bad guys bc of the shutdown. It was written by Nunes and he will spin this in the next few weeks, watch.
You make it sound like Nunes just fired up Word one day and wrote the memo. The memo was the result of the work of a group. Nunes was the head of that group.
Why is it weird that a trending hashtag on Twitter is not trending any more? Are you aware of what a trend is? Are you aware of how trends work on Twitter? Do you often see the same #1 trend for a week in a row, or have you never seen that?
Sometimes you just need to sit back and think about your post before you submit it. :-)
I'd like to think this sub would be even more attentive over censorship, and that it's not just a "what's trending on twitter about politics sub"
If twitter censoring a hashtag manages to move the memo thing from taking up the top 12 posts on friday, to crickets on saturday, there's something else at play.
If twitter censoring a hashtag manages to move the memo thing from taking up the top 12 posts on friday, to crickets on saturday, there's something else at play.
Ill present it like this. Would you be equally as pissed if twitter was
allegedly shadowbanning a movement such as MeToo, or something equally damning (Maybe about.. oh i dont know.. Corruption in the IT sector?)
Twitter shadowbans things. because "they" dont like the message. Not because its actually fake, not because its violence (eg: terrorist propaganda that has a foothold somehow on twitter and youtube) but because the political opinion talked about is "wrong".
The whole story (twitter shadowbanning) is being buried behind other things. If you buy the idea that Reddit is compromised, and that you will only see the things "they" want you to see. it gets even worse.
Imagine, once again, that the Metoo movement was shadowbanned, because it targeted high playing IT people.
There's a lot with the MeToo that I wouldn't be pissed about banning. Weinstein and Bill Clinton definitely deserve attention.
Ansari and Frankin? Seemed more like awkward sexual advances that never rose to the level of assault, but people wanted to see heads roll and were eager for outrage.
That said, neither of those were sponsored by state level actors, which is much more dangerous than generic civilian opportunists.
There’s evidence of criminal activity at the highest levels of government, and the people who brought this to light are comfortable leaving these criminals in power and giving them advanced warning?
I would very much hope everyone implicated in these very serious crimes is now being detained to prevent retaliation or flight.
Tried to discuss this earlier today and I have never received a faster wave of downvotes. It was at less than 20% by the time I got my submission statement completed 3 minutes after posting.
While not required, you are requested to use the NP (No Participation) domain of reddit when crossposting. This helps to protect both your account, and the accounts of other users, from administrative shadowbans. The NP domain can be accessed by replacing the "www" in your reddit link with "np".
If twitter censoring a hashtag manages to move the memo thing from taking up the top 12 posts on friday, to crickets on saturday, there's something else at play.
Ill present it like this. Would you be equally as pissed if twitter was
allegedly shadowbanning a movement such as MeToo, or something equally damning (Maybe about.. oh i dont know.. Corruption in the IT sector?)
Twitter shadowbans things. because "they" dont like the message. Not because its actually fake, not because its violence (eg: terrorist propaganda that has a foothold somehow on twitter and youtube) but because the political opinion talked about is "wrong".
The whole story (twitter shadowbanning) is being buried behind other things. If you buy the idea that Reddit is compromised, and that you will only see the things "they" want you to see. it gets even worse.
Imagine, once again, that the Metoo movement was shadowbanned, because it targeted high playing IT people.
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1 Allinon72 2018-01-21
Doesn't matter, cat's out of the bag and the people who hold the power to release it have already set the wheels in motion.
1 PastyBarmsForever 2018-01-21
How are you measuring that? It's not disappeared. This is the calm before the storm.
1 mwiegel2 2018-01-21
Lol sure it is
1 Rocksolid1111 2018-01-21
Yea, twitter blamed Russia and made it vanish. The memo will be released.
1 novelty______account 2018-01-21
Not really, brand new account. It's probably due to the amount of brigading and hijacking going on.
1 apricotasd27 2018-01-21
Whaaaat? Surely you aren't saying that the whole thing was manufactured drama. That sounds kind of like a conspiracy. /s
1 novelty______account 2018-01-21
Don't you dare try to make me love you for this comment.
1 LowEnergyShills 2018-01-21
Whaaaa?? Surely the shills who have poured MILLIONS into manipulating Reddit, haven't figured out how to script the vote algorithm.. Surely. /s
1 Likmylovepump 2018-01-21
Yah that was fucking weird. I went to bed Thursday night and there was notthing about the memo on conspiracy. Woke up Friday and the front page is half full of posts about the memo and the other half people bitching that there's not enough posts about the memo. That was some of the most inorganic shit ive ever seen, even manaforts indictment didn't see that level of hype.
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-01-21
It wouldn't seem so weird if you had stayed up Thurs night and watched the movement actually happen. Thousands of organic users shared Twitter handle lists and encouraged others to post like mad, here and at CBTS_stream, as well as the chans. Dozens of folks that I know are real people were banned from Twitter and by 4 am the narrative script hit the MSM that all these people are Russian bots. A few publications even went so far as calling anyone asking to see the memo a traitor.
Moral of the story: if something seems strange, do some research rather than buying what the MSM told you happened while you were sleeping.
1 arthurdent11 2018-01-21
Seems serious. Got those Twitter handles of people you know in real life that got banned? Seems like something I'd like to investigate.
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-01-21
No worries. There are qualified people that are investigating.
1 Likmylovepump 2018-01-21
All I'm saying is no matter how many people were trying to get the word out, its suspicious to me that something can go from a non story to THE BIGGEST STORY EVER at a time when most of the people who would the people who would typically give a damn are asleep.
Especially given just how little there actually was to go on.
1 Dougalishere 2018-01-21
I can understand the blow-up of a story like this, what I find hard to understand is when it just disappeared.
1 dotlinefever3 2018-01-21
middle of the night?
Or the beginning of the work day in another time zone? One thats,let say, three hours ahead of GMT?
You know of anyone who might be located in such a time zone that might have an interest in derailing the trump russia investigation,by any chance?
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-01-21
As I said, I'm speaking of folks that I know are just regular Americans. I have actually spoken to many of them.
1 el_fuego91 2018-01-21
Right. And I swear I saw Stephan Paddock carry up all the guns to his Vegas hotel room himself from my security friends who have access to the footage. You can’t use personal anecdotes as evidence to claim otherwise you know that right?
1 el_fuego91 2018-01-21
Hmm how convenient it all happened Thursday night when most of the country is sleeping. I wonder what country would be getting right up around that time though?
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-01-21
It was in response to the tweets from the government officials that read the memo. Are they all Russian bots, as well?
1 el_fuego91 2018-01-21
What government officials? Bots no, but Russian leaning? Perhaps.
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-01-21
You didn't see the tweets from the folks that read the memo?
1 el_fuego91 2018-01-21
Again names is what I’m asking. What government officials?
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-01-21
Look it up. I just read the posts. I don't have a Twitter account.
1 el_fuego91 2018-01-21
You were apparently following this all night/morning (depending on where you’re from) and yet you can’t seem to remember a single name of these accounts? Even though they were “real people” you KNOW are Americans. Got it.
1 PreachyVegan 2018-01-21
'manufactured drama' pretty much sums up our current timeline.
1 WTCMolybdenum4753 2018-01-21
Yeah. They said it'll be released in 19 days
1 mastigia 2018-01-21
U serious? Link? Fuck that
1 starry7833378333 2018-01-21
19 congressional days...
https://twitter.com/RepDaveJoyce/status/954797154282950657
Why would you have a problem with transparency?
1 rConspiracyModifier 2018-01-21
That's a funny tweet.
"This may take up to 19+ Congressional work days"
So it may take up to 19 days, or more than 19 days. Looks like you took the bait and didn't read carefully enough.
1 starry7833378333 2018-01-21
I didn't take any bait. I clearly stated 19 congressional days. Which are work days, which puts the reveal sometime in March. What do you think I didn't pay attention to?
1 FaThLi 2018-01-21
The "+". So this could take longer than 19 days. I think that is what he meant.
1 7x4I-eGr6fC8V 2018-01-21
well, tbh, 19 congressional work days has to be spread over 7.75 holiday breaks, so yeah. can't ask them to work to hard, it wouldn't be fair.
1 CloudyMN1979 2018-01-21
lol, how many days a year do they actually work? We could have a whole new congress by then.
1 UnbearablePenguin 2018-01-21
I guess they hope people will forget about it in a month. If there was any substance to it they wouldn't wait.
See: Nunes last March.
1 starry7833378333 2018-01-21
Yeah pretty sure this is directly related to the March incident. Time will tell.
1 SnugMeatSocks 2018-01-21
There was an outcry about him going to the WH SCIF back then. He was investigated by the House Ethics committee, cleared, and now he is back with what he saw
1 mastigia 2018-01-21
I just asked?
1 starry7833378333 2018-01-21
1 PreachyVegan 2018-01-21
my impression, for what it's worth, is that mastigia thought it seemed like a long time, 19 days. it does. and it seems like stupid bait, like a hyped up trailer played over and over again for a disappointing movie.
1 starry7833378333 2018-01-21
Well shit...I misinterpreted, my bad u/mastigia!
1 mastigia 2018-01-21
No worries!
1 Afrobean 2018-01-21
This looks like it: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/01/breaking-house-intel-committee-officially-begins-process-releasethememo/
Color me surprised. I figured if we ever saw it, it'd be because someone leaked to Wikileaks. Maybe Congress will make it public themselves? If they really wanted this public though, it'd already be available. This is all theater.
1 mastigia 2018-01-21
Gatewaypundit is flakey af, but I just saw it elsewhere too. Fucking lame.
1 mastigia 2018-01-21
Gatewaypundit is flakey af, but I just saw it elsewhere too. Fucking lame.
1 rabbidrascal 2018-01-21
So Nunes authored a secret memo that his supporters say will cause all of the senior leadership in the FBI to be charged with treason, but the document is so amazing that nobody can see it. And we are buying this bullshit? Getting a FISA wiretap requires credible evidence. So is the problem that the judges were corrupt, or that the evidence was faked? Or just that the evidence implicated GOP members?
1 starry7833378333 2018-01-21
Several congressmen did see the memo. It's not secret. It is classifed. But they're doing things above the board to get it to the public. You know it is possible that they were tapping into those phones and emails long before they got an actual warrant. Then used the warrant to retroactively justify the illegal spying going on earlier in the year. That evidence could be a reason for Nunes to have gotten so flummoxed last March. And could be the reason behind the memo. I highly doubt the GOP is implicated in the supposed scandal, otherwise it would have been the Dems pushing to release the memo and not the GOP. We will get to see the memo. Bullshit or not. Just have to be a little patient.
1 rabbidrascal 2018-01-21
I hadn't considered tapping prior to going to FISA. Carnivore / prism / dcs-3000 could have been used prior to the FISA warrant, and the level of data those tools can grab is pretty scary.
1 DawnPendraig 2018-01-21
And I think Obama mysteriously signing an EO opening sharing between agencies was to cover tracks as well.
1 starry7833378333 2018-01-21
Most of this stuff is way over my head so your reference to Carnivore / prism / dcs-3000 is lost on me, haha. Here's a link delving into this very topic if your interested.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/01/14/fusioncollusion-congress-takes-3-prong-approach-to-surround-corrupt-intelligence-and-justice-officials/
1 SnugMeatSocks 2018-01-21
The dossier was used in Oct for the FISA warrant. I have a feeling we’re gonna see all of the GOP candidates were spied on way back in the primaries. No proof of the last part, just a theory
1 starry7833378333 2018-01-21
I hadn't thought of that angle. The FBI didn't stop giving subcontractors access to raw FISA information until April 18, 2016. This access had been going on for some time. Proof or not I think it's definitely an interesting theory.
1 amoker2018 2018-01-21
It's supposed to be the biggest thing since Watergate and the perps now get a 19 days head start?
How convenient.
You know what you do if you have evidence that can put such powerful people behind bars? You keep your fucking mouths shut until the moment you show them your arrest warrant.
1 starry7833378333 2018-01-21
They've gotten more than a 19 day head start. Nunes saw this shit March '17. Then held a presser. They knew the night of Nov 8 '16. "If that fucking bastard wins we're all gonna hang from nooses".
1 amoker2018 2018-01-21
"Once Sessions is sworn in, the arrests will start".
Remember that one?
1 WTCMolybdenum4753 2018-01-21
Oh really?
1 yungcattdamon 2018-01-21
sorry the over complications of our fucked up government can't be spoon fed to you
1 auneakeffect 2018-01-21
at least 19 days
1 ShooDooPeeDoo 2018-01-21
That should be enough time for the next event to unfold and grab everyone's attention.
You monkeys!
1 amoker2018 2018-01-21
Trump can relaase it any moment he wants to.
It's a bullshit excuse.
1 RocketSurgeon22 2018-01-21
Trump would be advised not to do such a thing. The memo should come out later when we don't have a shutdown. Just like the dossier.
1 amoker2018 2018-01-21
Why?
1 starry7833378333 2018-01-21
So the media will cover it.
1 amoker2018 2018-01-21
Why wouldn;t the media cover it if Trump declassifies it?
1 starry7833378333 2018-01-21
Because their focus is on the shutdown.
1 amoker2018 2018-01-21
But it's supposed to be the biggest thing since Watergate.
Besides, why would Trump care about the MSM? He's made very clear that he doesn't.
Should the truth be withheld just because the MSM might not cover it?
1 starry7833378333 2018-01-21
The truth isn't going to be withheld. It's gonna come out in March. Probably around the same time as the IG's report on the DOJ/FBI's handling of the Clinton email case. Should be an interesting month. Get your popcorn ready!
1 greatlabrador 2018-01-21
I see this same question everywhere. I'm not looking to argue, but if what this memo leads to (and that is where the sauce i from what I've seen/read so far) is VERY big. Like bigger than watergate BIG. So, we can argue about that as well, but the reason for Trump himself not releasing it, distancing himself is because of course anti-trump folks will have another potential bullet point, case, whatever.
So I don't think its bullshit. I think going from about 5 or so conspiracy memo posts, to zero, then to a couple that are slanted the other way is kinda shitty.
Anyway, have a nice day.
1 ABigBigThug 2018-01-21
The issue is that a huge part of the blitzkrieg about the memo was that the Democrats were trying to block it's release. We were told it was self-evidently super incriminating BECAUSE the Dems were blocking its release. Out of nowhere the #releasethememo hashtag was the most important thing ever and everyone was crying it was being censored.
Then we find out the Republicans can release it at any moment and we start hearing these excuses that "well, someone pro-Trump can't release it because what about the optics?". These weak excuses about why they can't release it and the 19 day delay makes it obvious that the initial #releasethememo campaign was clearly bullshit intended to still up media coverage.
1 greatlabrador 2018-01-21
So no, I vehemently disagree. How you can say this is clearly bullshit, without anything but subjective perspective is inline with disinformation. Stir up media? Well yeah! if this si Watergate level, why not? The thing is man, it isn't' top secret, just classified. And the obvious things its pointing to aren't easily just dismissed.
1 iseeyoubruh 2018-01-21
It's an excuse so that people forget about it and move on to be next thing lol
1 formergremlin 2018-01-21
you fucking wish it would just disappear dont you?
1 Tookmyprawns 2018-01-21
Nunes crying wolf? Ya it's tiring and he just constant misinformation. Nunes is the biggest POS in congress.
1 ShadowSeeker1499 2018-01-21
He cant take trumps dick out of his mouth long enough to get a coherent message across.
1 Itguy1229 2018-01-21
GaggingandLovingit
1 apricotasd27 2018-01-21
Y'all think Republicans realized Russian bots were pushing it on twitter? Maybe they realized it was an opinion piece created by the dude who literally jumped out of an Uber to tell the President about an investigation into his actions. Or maybe they remembered that time Nunes' own republican collegeus said he invented the unmasking drama? Or maybe they just accepted the fact that the memo was a completely fabricated story (a nothing burger, if you will) meant solely to discredit the investigation and distract from the numerous controversies which were occurring at that time.
1 Allinon72 2018-01-21
You made all that up, but regardless, let's just release the memo and find out for ourselves :)
1 FaThLi 2018-01-21
Why just the memo though? Why not the info it is based on?
1 SnugMeatSocks 2018-01-21
Controlling the story 101: release the memo, let everyone involved in it lock in their lies. Then release the source material.
Or they really are looking for prosecutions and only plan to release to the grand jury. The Dossier is essentially just a memo. Why were we not provided the information it was based on?
1 UnbearablePenguin 2018-01-21
I forget, what was Nunes's excuse the last time he played this game?
1 SnugMeatSocks 2018-01-21
Democrats were screeching that he didn't follow proper protocol. He submitted to an ethics committee investigation and was cleared. This memo is about what he saw in March
1 UnbearablePenguin 2018-01-21
He wasn't cleared, he was asked to recuse himself from the Russia investigation as he showed his only interested in serving the president and not the people who elected him, and the documents he talked about didn't show what he said they did.
1 SnugMeatSocks 2018-01-21
He was cleared. He was asked to recuse and he said no.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/07/ethics-committee-clears-rep-devin-nunes-287125
1 UnbearablePenguin 2018-01-21
He was cleared by his Republican colleagues. That means nothing. He said he was going to step away from the investigation, which everyone took to mean recusal, but he changed his mind later.
Most importantly the documents he'd been talking about were found to contain a whole lot of nothing.
1 SnugMeatSocks 2018-01-21
Well then you have nothing to worry about, right? The memo is a big fat calorie free nothingburger.
FYI the ethics committee is a 50/50 split of D’s and R’s. So your math is wrong about just R’s clearing him
1 UnbearablePenguin 2018-01-21
I'm not worried at all. The Republicans are being ridiculous again by trying to get people to beg them to release their own documents. Nobody wants to stop them.
And I don't know who told you that ethics committee's decisions have to be unanimous. It's not a jury, and ties go to the majority party.
Nunes said back then he wanted to see the committee transcript. So did a lot of people. I'm sure he's seen it by now but again another document that doesn't say what he claims.
1 SnugMeatSocks 2018-01-21
Don’t even trip then. Nothingburger it is
1 UnbearablePenguin 2018-01-21
Thanks for finally agreeing with me!
1 SnugMeatSocks 2018-01-21
You sure are chowing down on this nothingburger. Rent free man
1 FaThLi 2018-01-21
The problem I have with releasing just the memo, same for the Dossier, is that even when everything is released and we see all the spin people were doing. After we see the spin there will be people still using the spin as if it was truthful. Either because they were too lazy to see if it was spin, or they are willfully spreading misinformation because it fits whatever narrative they have.
1 SnugMeatSocks 2018-01-21
The difference here is that they cannot release any corroborating evidence for the dossier. Because it doesn’t exist. They can spin all they want to about the memo and then they can declassify the source materials. Big difference.
1 el_fuego91 2018-01-21
Because people died off things related to the Dossier. You can’t just go and release it unless you know your sources are safe and they clearly aren’t.
1 SnugMeatSocks 2018-01-21
So only one side is saddled with the burden of proof? Now I get it
1 el_fuego91 2018-01-21
Never said that. You can provide proof without providing sources. The fact that many things in the dossier have been verified show it holds at least a bit of credibility. So yeah actually the burden of proof does fall on the memo side of things because they have yet verify anything or actually release said memo.
1 Allinon72 2018-01-21
Release everything.
1 FaThLi 2018-01-21
That's what I want. We already fucked up with the dossier. Yet we have politicians who are only in this to get elected pushing their base's narrative because they know it'll help them get more votes. All of course so they can make money.
1 nebuchadrezzar 2018-01-21
Or because they already said it will be released.
1 el_fuego91 2018-01-21
Then release it? Why hold it up? Especially if it has major evidence of treason. My guess is they are waiting for another big Mueller drop to happen so they can use it to deflect.
1 nebuchadrezzar 2018-01-21
That's entirely possible. I keep wondering if they are dragging their feet on a lot of things in order to have a steady stream of news putting the opposition in a bad light closer to election time.
1 LowEnergyShills 2018-01-21
LMAO this is your first post in r/conspiracy and within 8 minutes, it's up to 25 "upvotes"?
Ya totally "organic". Fooled us all 👌👍
1 rConspiracyModifier 2018-01-21
It's your first post here, too. Pot, meet kettle.
1 CHARLESBRINK 2018-01-21
26th ACCOUNT SPOTTED
^ this user is also:
/u/IBustNutsOnShills , /u/TopDoucheBagsOfRddit , /u/SuckDisDickShill , /u/SuckDisCuntShill , /u/TooWokeForScripts , u/BernieBroBusted , u/C3NS0RTHIS , u/YouShilledUrSoul , u/shillsarehate , u/StopChillin, u/CensorshipFail, u/YouShouldQuitChill, u/SuckMuhDickShill, u/ShillScriptsRUseless, u/AdmnsAllowCensorship, u/BlowMeShill, u/StaaphChillin, u/QuietChill, u/PM_UR_CHILLS, u/WastinChillMonies, u/WreckMyShill, u/TakeMySchlongShill, u/ChillinForGold, /u/BernieBroOrBust
he stalks and harasses any user who thinks there is evidence that Trump colluded with Russia.
you can tell it's him because he uses similar usernames, goes through people's post histories trying to expose them, and uses lots of emojis.
he has also admitted to ban evasion multiple times.
he shows up in every Trump related thread.
1 Fruskim 2018-01-21
Damn, good job! Doing the lords work.
1 ShadowSeeker1499 2018-01-21
Yep. I've noticed the same thing.
1 monkhouse 2018-01-21
Hah, good point. They sure know how not to overstay their welcome, don't they.
1 SJWPussyLibtard 2018-01-21
This was at like 25 votes 15 minutes ago. Then I think people realized the intentions of the post was not about Twitter censoring the hash tag. OP meant is disappeared because it was manufactured outrage. Then people apparently switched their upvotes to downvotes. It's funny to watch these things in real time.
1 nggarmy 2018-01-21
Both sides have way too many people that don't get about right or wrong they just believe everything on their side and nothing on the other
1 Dougalishere 2018-01-21
It was everywhere online for about 30 hours then it literally just vanished, noticed this as well.
1 gruntznclickz 2018-01-21
Yeah, because Twitter censored it.
1 Dougalishere 2018-01-21
so because twitter censored it made it go from like 10 posts on the front page to 1 or maybe 2?
1 Whoareyou559 2018-01-21
Reddit also censors subjects
1 el_fuego91 2018-01-21
Right. Then explain why the front page of this sub was filled with release the memo bullshit? Literally it was like 75% of this first page. But then it conveniently disappeared the same time it disappeared everywhere.
1 Whoareyou559 2018-01-21
Bot manipulation, like every single other post that gains traction on reddit. There is no real opposition party in American Govt, it is all the same.
1 netflixplz 2018-01-21
so its not really reddit censoring, but rather someone paying for those bots, right?if so, whats the point in misleading people with that comment?
1 Whoareyou559 2018-01-21
Reddit actively censors, and bot manipulation also exists. There isnt a simple "its just shills" answer here. If you cant fugure that out, its on you.
1 netflixplz 2018-01-21
its important to also not fall for someone's disillusions and start seeing shadows at every corner yourself
i cant remember any case of reddit straight-up censorship, but i do know that bots exist (duh) and that maybe there are shills (as in paid posters, not people you disagree with), although i find the latter harder to believe, given that noone ever comes forward.
1 ehll_oh_ehll 2018-01-21
"people"
1 baebaebokchoy 2018-01-21
We're on to #leakthememo now
1 DasBeefcat 2018-01-21
The reason it disappeared is because it was total BS. Nothing whatsoever will ever come from this. Mark my words on that too. This is 100% political crap trying to make Dems be the bad guys bc of the shutdown. It was written by Nunes and he will spin this in the next few weeks, watch.
1 CaptainObivous 2018-01-21
You make it sound like Nunes just fired up Word one day and wrote the memo. The memo was the result of the work of a group. Nunes was the head of that group.
1 SomeoneLikeYouToo 2018-01-21
Why is it weird that a trending hashtag on Twitter is not trending any more? Are you aware of what a trend is? Are you aware of how trends work on Twitter? Do you often see the same #1 trend for a week in a row, or have you never seen that?
Sometimes you just need to sit back and think about your post before you submit it. :-)
1 JIM_THE_RETARD 2018-01-21
It didn't disappear, they censored the hashtag on twitter...
1 osm0sis 2018-01-21
You'd think that would cause even more discussion about it on this sub. Yesterday it filled the top 12 posts
1 HeroicPopsicle 2018-01-21
Oh we talk(ed?) about it alright
1 osm0sis 2018-01-21
I'd like to think this sub would be even more attentive over censorship, and that it's not just a "what's trending on twitter about politics sub"
If twitter censoring a hashtag manages to move the memo thing from taking up the top 12 posts on friday, to crickets on saturday, there's something else at play.
1 HeroicPopsicle 2018-01-21
Ill present it like this. Would you be equally as pissed if twitter was allegedly shadowbanning a movement such as MeToo, or something equally damning (Maybe about.. oh i dont know.. Corruption in the IT sector?)
Twitter shadowbans things. because "they" dont like the message. Not because its actually fake, not because its violence (eg: terrorist propaganda that has a foothold somehow on twitter and youtube) but because the political opinion talked about is "wrong".
The whole story (twitter shadowbanning) is being buried behind other things. If you buy the idea that Reddit is compromised, and that you will only see the things "they" want you to see. it gets even worse.
Imagine, once again, that the Metoo movement was shadowbanned, because it targeted high playing IT people.
This stuff is really, really scary.
1 osm0sis 2018-01-21
There's a lot with the MeToo that I wouldn't be pissed about banning. Weinstein and Bill Clinton definitely deserve attention.
Ansari and Frankin? Seemed more like awkward sexual advances that never rose to the level of assault, but people wanted to see heads roll and were eager for outrage.
That said, neither of those were sponsored by state level actors, which is much more dangerous than generic civilian opportunists.
1 stealthboy 2018-01-21
People here were very quick to jump on the "muh russia bots!" line, so that quickly discounted any real discussion on it.
1 DonnaGail 2018-01-21
Yes, twitter sucks.
1 stupidfuckingtroll 2018-01-21
There’s evidence of criminal activity at the highest levels of government, and the people who brought this to light are comfortable leaving these criminals in power and giving them advanced warning?
I would very much hope everyone implicated in these very serious crimes is now being detained to prevent retaliation or flight.
1 osm0sis 2018-01-21
Tried to discuss this earlier today and I have never received a faster wave of downvotes. It was at less than 20% by the time I got my submission statement completed 3 minutes after posting.
I could link directly to the post I made, but I'd like to do a shameless plug for /r/ConspiracyHypothesis in hopes of generating more discussion on a small sub
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1 SWarsW 2018-01-21
They released nobody cared about a freaking republican memo
1 456com 2018-01-21
Twitter has an army of censor, paid sh*llz and blue check mark illuminati assholes and is controlled by pedos. Not shocked.
1 isyad 2018-01-21
Because they're releasing the memo I assume?
1 Tookmyprawns 2018-01-21
Nunes crying wolf? Ya it's tiring and he just constant misinformation. Nunes is the biggest POS in congress.
1 FaThLi 2018-01-21
The "+". So this could take longer than 19 days. I think that is what he meant.
1 HeroicPopsicle 2018-01-21
Ill present it like this. Would you be equally as pissed if twitter was allegedly shadowbanning a movement such as MeToo, or something equally damning (Maybe about.. oh i dont know.. Corruption in the IT sector?)
Twitter shadowbans things. because "they" dont like the message. Not because its actually fake, not because its violence (eg: terrorist propaganda that has a foothold somehow on twitter and youtube) but because the political opinion talked about is "wrong".
The whole story (twitter shadowbanning) is being buried behind other things. If you buy the idea that Reddit is compromised, and that you will only see the things "they" want you to see. it gets even worse.
Imagine, once again, that the Metoo movement was shadowbanned, because it targeted high playing IT people.
This stuff is really, really scary.
1 amoker2018 2018-01-21
Why?
1 SnugMeatSocks 2018-01-21
He was cleared. He was asked to recuse and he said no.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/07/ethics-committee-clears-rep-devin-nunes-287125
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-01-21
As I said, I'm speaking of folks that I know are just regular Americans. I have actually spoken to many of them.