It's true...what's funny is they actually believe that just because their narrative is upvoted and any dissenters are downvoted...that's it..end of argument, mission accomplished..

All they ever really manage to accomplish is to show they cannot be trusted to adhere to truth when it does not align with their agendas.

We see this happening even now...on a grand scale in almost all political conspiracy posts that involve one topic and one topic only...Trump.

And yet..we still have to listen to the babies cry that the sub is overrun with T_D shills...

Well...the truth says different...everyday now we see the anti-Trump upvoted massively and the pro trump downvoted massively..

And if you are one of the really unfortunate ones who dares to criticize Trump, his policies or actions of any of his cabinet (fuck you Haley..and fuck you too Tillerson) while at the same time call out the blatant propaganda spin from the liberal/progressive democrats...just get used to it.

At some point in going to demand the right to call anyone who says this sub is now overrun with pro Trump users a fucking liar any time they do so.

It's unfortunate that they've convinced themselves that they are somehow helping their own cause by subverting another community, but the fact that they're stupid enough to out themselves like this is a good sign. More sloppy work like this only makes the real skeptics and free thinkers take up their cause with heightened zeal.

It's unfortunate that they've convinced themselves that they are somehow helping their own cause by subverting another community, but the fact that they're stupid enough to out themselves like this is a good sign. More sloppy work like this only makes the real skeptics and free thinkers take up the fight for truth with heightened zeal.

Some serious vote fuckery fo' 'sho.

I love that their angle was to say stop posting all this partisan BS, when that was the opposite of what the post was about.

You're saying we need to detach our discussion of Russia from partisan leanings or else we will get stuck in the circle jerk of "oh you don't fully believe the Russia narrative, you're a shill, end of discussion."

Have the mods considered auto-contest moding posts crossposted to TMOR? It's pretty obvious when you've got that comment graveyard downvoted to hell.

They could probably abuse it but it'll make the brigade less effective.

As one of the loudest voices that talks about Trump/Russia in this sub, the one main issue I have regarding skepticism is the intellectual dishonesty, or willful ignorance involved.

It’s one thing to look at the facts of the case and make your own determination, it’s another thing completely to just avoid the facts all together.

The fact that people constantly say things like “where’s the evidence” despite a year+ of consistent uncovering of new facts on the case, four indictments of individuals with significant roles in the campaign, etc., shows that there is a concerted effort to sweep things under the rug.

At the end of the day we’re all just users on a forum, we don’t have control over where the investigation goes. I just hope people are willing to accept the findings when they come out

PREACHHH

it’s another thing completely to just avoid the facts all together.

you mean facts about Mueller's past, the fact that the original hacking assessment was made by an Atlantic Council cybersecurity firm, or the fact that not even during the height of the Cold War did intelligence agencies make an official claim that members of the govt were "puppets", but oddly now they have because of meetings with diplomats, facebook ads, and amounts of dirty money that likely change hands every single day (and people have been pointing out but get called "conspiracy theorists" in every other context but "Trump-Russia")?

"Meetings with diplomats" that campaign staff lied about. "Facebook ads" that were purchased by foreign influences promoting a specific candidate. "Dirty money" that may have been given to the NRA by Russia and then donated to the Trump campaign. This is the exact type of thing the above commenter is discussing, the complete rejection of facts and reason to push a narrative.

how many meetings with diplomats and foreign intel do you think go completely un-discussed by the mass media? How many foreign ads? Why are articles like this never talked about on TV or contextualized as foreign influence? http://archive.is/LiQxE#selection-1767.0-1767.43

and why do you people only talk about Trump and Russia? Think real users don't notice that?

People meet with diplomats. No one is ever saying meeting with diplomats is bad. Its the constant lies about doing so, which is suspicious. And they lie until its been proven they were there, and then the goal posts begin to get shifted more and more.

there's many more sketchy things about Flynn than that, it's really interesting to me how certain types of accounts have nothing to say about it

There’s lots of sketchy stuff about Flynn. He got a plea deal. He won’t be arrested for most of the sketchy stuff he did, because he’s actively cooperating with the investigation. That’s what happens when someone flips, and that’s why people flip

nothing to do with that

What? You're not even making sense now

so go back to talking about sports, maybe you're out of your depth

Why not actually explain what you mean instead of just attempting to insult others. I'm in no way out of my depth, you're just not making any sense here.

What

It's funny how some of you love to say "you people" and say only people that agree with you belong here. So you think we're not real? I'm fairly certain I'm a real person.

You have no ground to stand on when it comes to speaking about intellectual dishonesty...10 days ago you made a comment about how we should be anti-Hillary Clinton as well as anti-Trump..

But whenever a Uranium One post is made...you're one of the first ones in it...saying there's nothing there...almost every single time.

Care to explain this? Because the investigation into Uranium One is nowhere near finished..new indictments have been made..the FBI informant that testified shows once again that the FBI mishandled another investigation into something Hillary Clinton was involved in...

And yet...you try to sweep it under the rug...constantly....you criticize anyone that even brings it up.

This is called a double standard...so I could give a shit what you have to say on this sub.

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you're one of the first ones in it...saying there's nothing there...

Because there is nothing there, at least regarding Clinton.

Of course..everybody and anybody but Bulgaria is going to chime in on this now...same fucking bullshit...the Uranium One investigation isn't over..one could say it's actually just begun.

But here you are...stating implicitly that there's nothing there. If Melania was given $500,000 dollars for making a speech in Russia you guys would be losing your shit over it..

What specifically have I said that you disagree with or take issue with? It’s hard to defend my arguments when I’m not quite sure what you want me to defend

For a start...how the hell do you know for a fact that there's nothing to the Uranium One investigation? Why do you oppress people on this sub who wish to discuss it?

Where did I say there was nothing? How have I oppressed anyone?

This kind of bullshit right here. You use a false equivalent that attempts to accomplish two things...demean users on this sub that believe Manafort's actions and Flynn's actions do not prove Trump is guilty of collusion with Russia..while at the same time insinuating that anyone who believes that HRC may be involved with Uranium One should be dismissed.

"Guarantee you the same people that will call Trump’s former campaign manager and NSA head unrelated to Trump will spin this as meaning bad news for Hillary

You do not allow unfettered conversation to take place regarding regarding Uranium One.

And it's complete bullshit that you say they will "spin" it....once again attempting to delegitimize a conversation about this particular investigation

I know trying to have an honest conversation with you is a waste of my time. My whole motive is to keep interacting with users such as yourself that display very uncommon voting patterns on this sub.

At the end of the day...when I'm done..anyone who tries to deny that this sub has been overrun by users from r//politics and not T_D at this time will look like a fool.

"Guarantee you the same people that will call Trump’s former campaign manager and NSA head unrelated to Trump will spin this as meaning bad news for Hillary".

Let’s place this in the proper context, which was in a subject about the Mark Lambert indictment, where he was arrested for trying to bribe Russian officials. It has a tenuous connection to Uranium One, and no real links to Hillary Clinton in particular.

I was commenting on the fact that there has been a strong effort to tie this indictment to Clinton in this sub (if you don’t believe me on that, I’ll find sources), even though there’s a few degrees of separation there.

There is also an effort to describe the four criminal indictments in the Russia investigation as “having nothing to do with Russia” or “nothing to do with Trump” despite the fact that Flynn and Papadopoulos were charged with lying about Russian connections (and have started cooperating), and his campaign manager and deputy being charged for being paid to lobby for the pro-Russia party in Ukraine while also helping to change the Republican platform to one that was exactly in line with the party they were lobbying for

To see the Lambert indictment as having bad implications for Clinton, but the four indictments I described above as inconsequential to Trump takes extreme mental gymnastics. That’s what I was trying to say, I hope that helps clarify things!

Your words twice - "There has been a strong effort" which you use to describe all users on this sub that disagree with your beliefs.

You definitely clarified things.

One could say a lot of things, doesn't make them factual.

The facts show that there is nothing to Uranium One when it comes to Clinton.

Do you know all the facts? Have all the facts of the investigation been released? Get out of here with this bullshit.

I know all the facts that are currently available, and I'm 99% certain that any current investigation is just another political witch hunt to distract Trump's base from the investigation he's currently under, in which multiple associates of his have already been indicted.

Once again...double standard...ones a witch-hunt the other isn't.

Very convenient.

One has loads of evidence and 4 indictments already, one doesn't.

Do you not see the difference?

I see the difference in your ability to perceive where a conspiracy could be occurring. It's called confirmation bias. Is there evidence to suggest that the FBI did not handle the original investigation into the Uranium One deal correctly?

Is there evidence to suggest that the FBI did not handle the original investigation into the Uranium One deal correctly?

There was no "original" FBI investigation into Uranium One or Clinton. There was, however, an investigation into a kickback scheme with a Rosatom subsidiary that was entirely unconnected to anything Clinton though.

There's literally nothing to the Uranium One/Clinton thing, but mountains of evidence and four indictments to Trump's cluster fuck, and I'm the one mired in confirmation bias?

There was no FBI investigation into the Uranium One deal? Really? It appears that there was an investigation that did include the Uranium One deal.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/361276-fbi-informant-gathered-years-of-evidence-on-russian-push-for-us

There was no FBI investigation into the Uranium One deal? Really?

Yes really. Show where it says differently.

Yeah but a user who 'doesn't live in the us' asked for information IN SUPPORT for collusion - not for anything you are talking about.

Basically you're just getting all emotional and trying to derail the conversation for no reason other than it's not in support for what YOU want.

Go away troll.

Removed. Rule 10.

You can be anti-Clinton and not believe in the Uranium One crazy. Most people don't like her lol. Not hard to find people who hated their choice of her and trump.

Once again..double standard..because it's very obvious to anyone who pays attention on this sub...that people who don't believe in the Trump/Russia collusion crazy are downvoted to oblivion now.

it's very obvious to anyone who pays attention on this sub...that people who don't believe in the Trump/Russia collusion crazy are downvoted to oblivion now

People point to shills and bots for this... but is it really that hard to think that people are downvoting comments that are outright denying an ongoing conspiracy?

Pretty much all I've seen lately are people whining about getting buried or labelled when they deny the "Russian bogeyman". Maybe people are just sick of seeing these denials?

maybe people here are a lot more sick of accounts who know nothing about the history of intelligence agencies trying to lecture to them

Because the investigation into Uranium One is nowhere near finished..new indictments have been made

One new indictment....one indictment period....of a guy who runs a trucking company. U1 isn't a new story. From what we've seen so far, there is absolutely no evidence pointing toward wrongdoing by Hillary. You can't honestly sit there and tell me you think U1 and Trump/Russia are even remotely close to each other as far as validity

Being anti someone doesn't mean you have to buy into every crazy allegation lobbed against them by some armchair expert. I'm staunchly anti-Clinton and I feel the evidence has shown a few times now that the uranium one scandal is based, like so many conservatives conspiracy theories, to be based on half-truths, misresprentation of facts and a general misunderstanding of how these government agencies operate. Can you show where some of these indictments resulting from the uranium one deal occurred?

The only indictments so far are for the trucking company. But the Hill does a good job of laying out the "facts" surrounding the original Uranium One investigation and the mishandling of it. That's why alot of users on this sub are once again bringing it up.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration

The fact that some users are prematurely claiming the trucking company indictments link Hillary should not qualify as a reason to end all discussion on the possibility that further investigation into the matter is needed.

We have 33,000 missing emails to account for...the possibility that some of those emails contained discussions about the Uranium One deal cannot simply be disregarded.

This is a conspiracy sub..it's what we do. We discuss possible and probable conspiracies.... .

I'm not from the US and try to stay out of the shitshow you call politics, so I'm not up to date.

Could you point me to the most convincing evidence available? I will try to approach it objectively.

Could you point me to the most convincing evidence available?

Evidence of which potential crime/thread and for which person on the campaign?

• collusion
• obstruction
• money laundering

Collusion is the one I like. I believe money laundering to be very common among powerful people.

Obstruction seems to be the standard tactic for powerful people who feel threatened.

In regards to the person i'm unsure. Either the one where the evidence is strongest or the one you believe to be closest to Trump. Your choice.

Alex Torshin is a former Russian senator who tried to broker a meeting between Trump and the Kremlin

His assistant, Maria Butina, started showing up at Trump events as early as 2015, even once asking him a question on Russia sanctions at a campaign speech

Torshin is also under investigation for funneling money through the NRA to donate to the campaign

The NRA spent $30 million to support Trump in 2016, triple what they spent on fellow Republican Mitt Romney in 2012. The sources of those donations were not disclosed, and other sources have posited the number might be closer to $70m

Butina allegedly spoke about her communications between the Trump/Russia campaign while taking classes at American University

Bridges LLC, mentioned in the Butina article I linked, is owned by her, registered to Paul Erickson with the location of the business being his apartment

It’s tricky to prove but if you’ve studied how money laundering through shell companies works, a company like this should be raising some eyebrows.

Paul Erickson was the one who emailed Rick Dearborn about the “Kremlin connection”

“Putin is deadly serious about building a good relationship with Mr. Trump,” the N.R.A. member and conservative activist, Paul Erickson, wrote. “He wants to extend an invitation to Mr. Trump to visit him in the Kremlin before the election. Let’s talk through what has transpired and Senator Sessions’s advice on how to proceed.”

Trump Jr. has admitted to speaking with Torshin at the NRA convention in 2016

thanks, will take some time to read.

I’d love to hear what you think, genuinely!

I am curious as to how you feel about a Russian working as a campaign advisor for a US presidential candidate or working for the campaign of a presidential candidate in any capacity. I feel like everyone involved in a US campaign should be a US citizen, or am I somehow wrong for thinking that?

I think it is clear that Russia has been trying to influence our elections for some time now and they cant be the only ones. The US has know about foreign influences for decades now. The only thing that changes is the how. Why has the US not done much to prevent this? I think that given our own history of influencing elections abroad, it makes it difficult for us to effectively manage the situation. But that is me. What do you think?

Here's some more reading/viewing for you regarding what the Trump/Russia narrative is a distraction from/cover for:

http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2017/12/07/544778/US-Trump-Palestine-Israel-Jerusalem-Quds-Preston

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=653qAf4g7wY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQgDgMGuDI0

Here's some more reading/viewing for you regarding what the Trump/Russia narrative is a distraction from/cover for:

http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2017/12/07/544778/US-Trump-Palestine-Israel-Jerusalem-Quds-Preston

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=653qAf4g7wY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQgDgMGuDI0

Here's some more reading/viewing for you regarding what the Trump/Russia narrative is a distraction from/cover for:

http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2017/12/07/544778/US-Trump-Palestine-Israel-Jerusalem-Quds-Preston

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=653qAf4g7wY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQgDgMGuDI0

Really well researched post, thanks a bunch. Saved.

Thank you!! Feel free to shoot me a PM if you have specific questions or stuff you’re interested in regarding the investigation!

Very well said. This sub should be in the spirit of debate and I have personally had discussions with people who ask, "where's the evidence?" with complete disingenuousness. Its pure bait because they want to argue the minutae until nothing means anything. Don't fall for it people!

I can't fucking stand the constant comments about how there's "zero evidence after all this time". The evidence is not public. You don't know jack shit about what evidence is had for fucks sake. Stop calling this shit before it's over or you're just obviously denying everything because it fits your agenda.

I can't fucking stand the constant comments about how there's "zero evidence after all this time". The evidence is not public. You don't know jack shit about what evidence is had for fucks sake. Stop calling this shit before it's over or you're just obviously denying everything because it fits your agenda.

Intellectual dishonesty and willful ignorance, eh? Maybe look into what those four indictments were actually for.

Flynn and Papadopoulos were charged with lying about Russian connections (and have started cooperating), and his campaign manager and deputy being charged for being paid to lobby for the pro-Russia party in Ukraine while also helping to change the Republican platform to one that was exactly in line with the party they were lobbying for

It’s also worth noting that Manafort is likely to be charged again and Rick Gates hired Tom Green, an “expert in negotiating plea deals who was seen leaving Mueller’s office twice last week

If you don't work for a PR or marketing firm, you should consider it. Honestly. That's some great spin. I almost believed it for a second.

Your insertion about their cooperation is flat out wrong. All the statements and charges are online. Fun reading. They got them for lying, no more than that. In Flynn's case his contacts with Russia are well detailed, all of them occurring after election.

The other two were for things done way before any of this Russian narrative was a gleam in Hillary Clinton's eye. They have nothing to do with anything. For every link you could dream up tying them to Trump, I could dream another tying their lobbying actions to the Podesta group and the DNC.

Your insertion about their cooperation is flat out wrong. All the statements and charges are online. Fun reading.

Section 8 of Flynn's plea agreement, on Page 5, entitled "cooperation outlines the terms of his cooperation, it takes over a page.

Here's the motion to seal the Papadopolous plea, here's a quote from section 3:

Premature disclosure of the fact of the defendant’s arrest and the nature of the charges against him is likely to substantially prejudice both the defendant and the government. Defendant has indicated that he is willing to cooperate with the government in its ongoing investigation into Russian efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. Public disclosure of the defendant’s initial appearance, however, would significantly undermine his ability to serve as a proactive cooperator. In addition, public disclosure of defendant’s arrest and the accompanying criminal charges may alert other subjects to the direction and status of the investigation.

You are a gem and have the patience of a Saint. These and your other comments in the thread I have saved now, thank you

I think there are a lot of people in Washington actively trying to make things go away, my concern is that users aren't allowing this sub to be big enough to house both issues without attempting to sabotage one another, which is happening often.

So how many of the 4 indictments actually related to collusion with the Russians?

All four

That's an outright lie. Manafort and Gates indictments centered around money laundering, of which occurred before the election even began.

Flynn was indicted for lying under oath

Papadopoulos was indicted because he lied to FBI

None of the indictments mention anything about collusion with the Russians, they are all related to other things.

Who was Manafort and Gates laundering money for?

What did Papadopolous and Flynn lie about?

how was Manafort and Gates laundering Money for Trumps campaign when it happened before the primary had even started?

Just because something has the word "Russia" in it does not automatically make it related to helping Trump collude with the Russians.

this article from FOX News does a pretty good job at explaining the connections, if you have any particulars about the article you’d like to discuss I’d be happy to!

Can you paste from the article where it explains the connection of Trump collusion with Manafort. It spells out how Manafort was involved with Russians before the election began, but I can not see where it relates Trump as being involved with Manaforts dealings. This seems like unrelated things. The only relative item is the word Russia.

It seems like your making the argument of guilt by association, but if you know someone that is a criminal it doesn't mean that you must also be a criminal.

Deripaska, 49, is a close Vladimir Putin ally and signed a $10 million annual contract with Manafort in 2006. They maintained a business relationship until at least 2009, the Associated Press reported.

Financial records obtained by the New York Times indicated that Manafort was in debt to pro-Russian interests by up to $17 million prior to joining Trump’s campaign.

While campaign manager, Manafort offered to give Deripaska "private briefings" on the campaign.

Manafort has denied it (as he's pled not guilty to the current charges), but the platform change on Ukraine seems to fall in line with the exact sort of interests that the people he owed millions to wanted to see happen

I'm generally just a lurker, but well said.

Thank you for saying this. Have an upvote!

Believing the Russian collusion conspiracy does not equate with being a shill,

This place is for users to believe what they want. It's sad that so many on this sub want it to be an echo chamber of their beliefs.

First line of a statement of what this sub reddit is about

This is a forum for free thinking

Quote where it says that in the OP.

The point is accusing users of being a "Trump supporter" for not believing in the Russian Collusion narrative is a shit tactic.

You just said its a forum for free thinking, didn't you?

Look to the right ->

This is a forum for free thinking and discussing issues which have captured the public’s imagination. Please respect other views and opinions, and keep an open mind. Our goals are a fairer, more transparent world and a better future for everyone.

That's the opening statement for this sub.

It is supposed to be a forum for free thinking. People are free to think the Russian collusion conspiracy is true, are they not? Or do you want this to be an echo chamber of your beliefs, thus not being a forum for free thinking?

Where did i say they're not free to think its true?

You could try reading my actual comment.

Try reading my actual comment. I never said you did. I asked you a question if people can think that way.

Believing the Russian collusion conspiracy does not equate with being a shill,

There are shills from both sides of this pushing narratives. No, not all Russiagaters all shills, but some of them are.

This is a forum for free thinking

You're free to push the establishment's prioritized content, just as we are free to be extremely skeptical of said content.

And I never said you couldn't. Nor did I make multiple topics complaining about it while only defending one side.

I simply gave an opposing view than that of OPs. Do you want this to be an echo chamber, thus not being a forum for free thinking?

It's sad that so many on this sub want it to be an echo chamber of their beliefs.

You're complaining that people aren't interested in the Russiagate narrative. The natural inclination of this sub is to be skeptical of any agenda pushed on such a scale by the U.S. press.

In the comments sections we often see comments equating an opposition to Russiagate as pro Trump, pro government, pro republicans, pro alt right. We've been called Russian trolls, Russian bots, Putin's puppet, been told to "Go back to Russia",etc.

Yes there are accusations of shillery coming from the other side too. But Axolotl's sentiment is one many here share. The constant agenda to demean those going against Russiagate seems much more pronounced to me.

Free thinking doesn't equate to equal opportunity of ideas. Pretty sure we all freely think pussy is awesome, amirite!?

And you're complaining people are!

Hurr durr you're a Trump supporter if you don't believe he's literally Putin's puppet!

I'm so sick of the r politics type tactics here. Almost all those users who make those accusations contribute nothing to this sub but hyperpartisan bullshit, and they attack and mock every conspiracy that isn't the Russian narrative™.

and they attack and mock every conspiracy that isn't the Russian narrative™.

Nope, def love Bigfoot and crypto shit. Def enjoy military conspiracies and covert ops, like CIA drug dealing.

Also def think Trump/Russia is a thing. Because of evidence. Maybe Trump is right and everyone else is wrong. I doubt it. He's never been upstanding.

I said almost all.

Nearly every time I see users resorting to accusing others of being a Trump supporter for disagreeing, all their post histories are almost identical.

Who has time to visit a user's post history? That shit is weird.

Like it takes more than 10 seconds. Come on, now.

You obviously don't have these idiots using that tactic against you every day here.

Just Listen

Hahahaha...too bad you've never posted anything or made any comments in posts about Bigfoot or military conspiracies or CIA drug dealing or....wait..hang on..I'm laughing too much...or covert ops....or crypto shit in the whole 9 nine days you've been here.

Like he said...contribute to...what a fucking swing and a miss...thank you so much for this...I'm going to be laughing all day..

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Have you ever heard of lurkers?

Guys, please stop talking about Russia and Trump. It's my birthday and I have one wish. All I wish is that people who believe in a Trump Russia conspiracy would please stop believing in that. And please don't talk about it here. It upsets the Trump supporters.

I would like to know what type of equipment these "Russian hackers" are using since we know that the NSA has had backdoor access to windows machines since 1999.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/06/microsoft-programmed-in-nsa-backdoor-in-windows-by-1999.html

Also Cisco gear...

https://www.infoworld.com/article/2608141/internet-privacy/snowden--the-nsa-planted-backdoors-in-cisco-products.html

And hard drives as well.

https://www.cnet.com/news/nsa-reportedly-planted-spyware-on-electronics-equipment/

What equipment does a typical Russian business use for switching over their LAN?

Ahhhh u/axolotl_peyotl good to see another wonderful post by you. Just for everyone's info, this specific mod has been caught numerous times banning people who disagree with him on this sub or call him out for his partisan politics. Let me go ahead and post a comment on the r/TopMindsofReddit sub that shows some of the comments he banned people for and how he abuses the threatening violence reason for banning people.

"OGpiven

The right wing propaganda machine also loves "DESTROYED". "NFL players DESTROYED", "Eminem DESTROYED 😭😭😭" REEEEEEEEEE EDIT: I got banned for this post? Lmao

Reason for Ban: Threatening, harassing, or inciting violence permanent

Rufuz42

You have the biggest victim complex on this website. People disagree with you, either respond to their replies with facts or don’t at all. You just post thinly veiled messages about shills and outsiders trying to tear down your righteous thoughts and posts.

Reason for Ban: Threatening, harassing, or inciting violence permanent

sPooPysCaRysLeleTons

isn't this attacking other users of this sub?

Reason for Ban: Threatening, harassing, or inciting violence permanent

Diddy_Schlong

Well that didn't take long. Axol couldn't hold off on pushing more republican bullshit on this sub. Even after his little pity party self post saying he would stop being so political and grow up because he's a mod here. But he just couldn't help it. Let it flow baby. Just let the bullshit keep flowing. Must cheerlead for Trump and make sure this sub is a conservative circle jerk

Reason for Ban: Threatening, harassing, or inciting violence permanent"

And let me just add here a little something; the reason other users 'portray skepticism of the Russia Collusion conspiracy as GOP and Trump shills' is usually due to the fact that the only evidence really presented so far against the investigation is the cooked up text messages scandal against some FBI agents. All the evidence we have currently points to there being no scandal at all whatsoever, and it just being an attempt by the GOP to drown out a very possibly huge conspiracy.

Who gives a shit? Go back to TUMOR and whine about it there.

I would say anyone who gives a fuck about actual discussion. This entire post is whining about how anyone who questions the russia collusion conspiracy is immediately struck with downvotes and has the conversation ended, when, in fact, he does the same exact thing (if not worse) than what he is whining about.

I'm glad we have mods that have to balls to ban trolls.

I'm betting most of those who got banned when straight to TMOR to cry about it too.

They can just make new alts and come back anyway like they always do. So I really give less than zero fucks.

Yes, I too am glad that we have mods that will ban people with dissenting viewpoints.

It's not dissenting viewpoints. They're trolls. And you have a brand new account and this is your first post here. So GTFO with this "we" shit.

Not trolls, just people who are tired of these denials.

Believing that the President has massive criminal liability in the investigation does not equate with me believing that the Trump campaign was involved with the restricted definition of collusion with regards to emails.

I still believe that there were clandestine sanction negotiations with the assistance of Russian intel assets, a deep history of money laundering with Russian organised crime at the Trump Org, and several counts of obstruction of justice that directly implicate the President.

I'm just not really sold on the collusion angle just yet.

still believe that there were clandestine sanction negotiations with the assistance of Russian intel assets

So you do believe there was collusion....

So you do believe there was collusion....

I don't think that is collusion per say, but I have no problem with people using that as a definition of collusion.

Yay! Contest mode!

What is contest mode?

Randomizes comments and hides scores. Because OP knows he's gonna get downvoted to hell.

And of course the top comment is removed. NO DISSENT!

I'm only curious why every post isn't in contest mode.

Left leaning conspiracies being upvoted = brigading Right leaning conspiracies being upvoted = not brigading

Seems to me that putting every post in contest mode for 48 hrs would make brigading a lot less effective whoever is doing it. That said, the brigading from SB and TMoR is out of hand on nearly every post these days.

Thank you mods. They've been brigading heavily here and it only helps our cause when their own users out themselves like this.

I've had an experience that makes me believe at least one TMOR user has admin privileges within the reddit framework.

That's all I'll say about that.

Nice work giving proof.

Not going to dox myself, but thanks for trying.

Apparently screenshots of a convo = doxxing yourself. I never knew that.

It might be because TMOR doesn't brigade?

So one of you is lying. Was it really rising or was it only at +4 after 30 minutes. And it’s kind of bs when you post this and you’re on of the biggest pro trump mods on this sub.

I think that is a perfect idea. I say out the whole damn sub in contest mode.

When I questioned the behavior of Israel I was labeled an "antisemite".

Questioning a government's actions.

When I questioned the policies and military interventionism of George W. Bush I was labeled as "unpatriotic" and a "crazy leftist".

Questioning a government's actions.

When I questioned the foreign policy/drone assassinations of Obama I was labeled an "extreme right-winger".

Questioning a government's actions.

And today, when I question the Russian collusion/bogeyman narrative I'm labeled a pro-POTUS Russian "agent."

Deciding not to question a government's actions.

One of these is not like the other.

Surely questioning the government, any government, every government, is something every conspiracy-minded person should be doing, so when someone, a mod as well, decides to be vocal about not questioning the government on what is a potential conspiracy unfolding before our eyes, it throws up flags to believers. So of course you get a lot of negative response to it. When people question pizzagate, or Uranium One, or Seth Rich, or 9/11, or a plethora of other conspiracies, they get a lot of negative feedback because of it. It doesn't matter who is right or wrong, it doesn't matter what the topic is, as long as it's big enough you will get a negative response if you go against it.

If that's what you want to take away from my comment, I guess that's up to you. My focus was more on the "of course you're going to get negative responses" message seeing as you seem to have issues dealing with people disagreeing with what you believe in.

And you think these types of submissions help your case? Or give people more ammo against you? You get harrassed, you don't show it gets to you, you avoid it, brush it off publicly, or make it stop. In this case you need the admins to step in to make it stop, and it looks like they won't, so your only other options is to ignore it or brush it off.

Instead you keep feeding the troll and then expect it to stop coming looking for a meal.

You stand up to bullies my friend, it's the only way to survive

Normally I'd agree, but there's little way to stand up to them when it's a subreddit and the admins do nothing.

Yes, that is a good start, don't forget to silence the people who disagree with you while you're at it!

Will someone buy the the software to track device ID. My subscription ran out but it seems a lot of TMOR are in here on their alts

Lol you care sooooo much what TMOR says about you, it's kinda sad.

This post is almost the epitome of what a moderator should not do.

All it is missing is a Patreon link.

I'll repeat my question from the previous thread:

Can you say something bad about trump then?

A does not always equate B but it mostly does.

Why is this sticky ?

Because agendas are only allowed to be pushed if they're a mod's agenda.

Hilarious. The post didn't do well on it's own the first two times, so you force it down everyone's throat with a sticky and contest mode.

No abuse of mod powers there...

No matter your views, this post is extremely petty in my opinion.

Regardless, I do believe the Russian government was involved in an active measures campaign to undermine the US. And Trump probably has some implication in the proccess, useful idiot or not.

Regardless, I do believe the Russian government was involved in an active measures campaign to undermine the US.

LOL, I've been hearing about China and Russia "influencing elections" since the 80's... the people who are still claiming Trump was somehow involved are most likely just bitter losers. Until the FBI comes out and shows actual votes being hacked/changed then I'm calling BS!!!

if you look at his post history, you’ll see a lot of this kinda stuff. Notice the rhetoric too, a lot of stuff about “them” wanting him to be silenced, wanting a narrative to be true, etc.

a lot of talk about “us” not believing it, how “we” should stay strong, etc.

Questioning the government and holding them accountable is what everyone should do as they work for is. Why a lot of people in this sub stopped doing that is a good question.

There is nothing wrong with being skeptical but too many in this sub completely deny it. I wish that were an exaggeration. Skepticism is not saying the investigation is about Hillary or Obama or whatever. It's also not brushing aside everything that has happened so far with the indictments. That kind of denial will lead someone to believe you support the government because Trump is the government now.

Hey, I guess it's unstickied now (nice timing?), just wanted to drop in and say thanks for all your good work. I checked the mod list and realized you're about the only peg left keeping this tent on the ground. The gentrifiers will be gunning for you, that's gotta be rough. Keep up the good fight. And log everything, hey. For science, if nothing else.

Also, cheeky question, any chance that for your next self-sticky you could dave-chappelle your way around the story of what happened to the sub ~5 months ago?

Good post.

Lol what a shit show. Stickying your own post, really?

Hahaha oh my god please keep treating this sub like your diary, I love it

In the world where so many believe in a conspiracy Theory get they are not conspiracy theorist. Very interesting time to be alive. Also Russia hahahahahahahhshahahahahabaha how stupid do you have to be. It's great to watch them believe in this but not 9/11. Some communist bastard said if you repeat a lie long enough people will believe it, or maybe that was Hitler. But what's the difference right!

PREACHHH

it’s another thing completely to just avoid the facts all together.

you mean facts about Mueller's past, the fact that the original hacking assessment was made by an Atlantic Council cybersecurity firm, or the fact that not even during the height of the Cold War did intelligence agencies make an official claim that members of the govt were "puppets", but oddly now they have because of meetings with diplomats, facebook ads, and amounts of dirty money that likely change hands every single day (and people have been pointing out but get called "conspiracy theorists" in every other context but "Trump-Russia")?

You have no ground to stand on when it comes to speaking about intellectual dishonesty...10 days ago you made a comment about how we should be anti-Hillary Clinton as well as anti-Trump..

But whenever a Uranium One post is made...you're one of the first ones in it...saying there's nothing there...almost every single time.

Care to explain this? Because the investigation into Uranium One is nowhere near finished..new indictments have been made..the FBI informant that testified shows once again that the FBI mishandled another investigation into something Hillary Clinton was involved in...

And yet...you try to sweep it under the rug...constantly....you criticize anyone that even brings it up.

This is called a double standard...so I could give a shit what you have to say on this sub.

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I'm not from the US and try to stay out of the shitshow you call politics, so I'm not up to date.

Could you point me to the most convincing evidence available? I will try to approach it objectively.

I know all the facts that are currently available, and I'm 99% certain that any current investigation is just another political witch hunt to distract Trump's base from the investigation he's currently under, in which multiple associates of his have already been indicted.

still believe that there were clandestine sanction negotiations with the assistance of Russian intel assets

So you do believe there was collusion....

Very well said. This sub should be in the spirit of debate and I have personally had discussions with people who ask, "where's the evidence?" with complete disingenuousness. Its pure bait because they want to argue the minutae until nothing means anything. Don't fall for it people!

Thank you!! Feel free to shoot me a PM if you have specific questions or stuff you’re interested in regarding the investigation!

I can't fucking stand the constant comments about how there's "zero evidence after all this time". The evidence is not public. You don't know jack shit about what evidence is had for fucks sake. Stop calling this shit before it's over or you're just obviously denying everything because it fits your agenda.

I can't fucking stand the constant comments about how there's "zero evidence after all this time". The evidence is not public. You don't know jack shit about what evidence is had for fucks sake. Stop calling this shit before it's over or you're just obviously denying everything because it fits your agenda.

Intellectual dishonesty and willful ignorance, eh? Maybe look into what those four indictments were actually for.

I think there are a lot of people in Washington actively trying to make things go away, my concern is that users aren't allowing this sub to be big enough to house both issues without attempting to sabotage one another, which is happening often.

So how many of the 4 indictments actually related to collusion with the Russians?

Because agendas are only allowed to be pushed if they're a mod's agenda.

I'm generally just a lurker, but well said.