TMOR are clowns. Keep up the good fight.

From one of the users...."It wouldn't surprise me if he carried this lunacy offline and started harming people. I can see this guy shooting people down and saying "Banned" after each victim hits the ground. He's a danger to reality and needs to be medicated and confined."

Jeeeez.

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They're also run by the same cointel group who runs the Donald sub. The media would have you believe they're Russians, but they're more likely Israeli.

Has there been a u/Dronetape citing since I sent admins proof of him actively stalking me?

Nothing I've noticed. Right on! Action should be taken if lines are crossed.

He's on our discord, you're more than welcome to join us!

I'm banned from r/TopMindsofReddit but I'm welcome to your Discord? Cool. Have a link?

PM'd it.

And I'm a fan of transparency:

https://discord.gg/9NarmR

Expires in 24 hours due to how discord invites work, so just PM me back if you miss the window.

Ok. There's also a perma-invite pinned on the TMoR sidebar for anyone who wants to visit after that period.

I just unbanned you. But anyone is welcome to join our Discord. We have at least one T_D regular in there.

Wow, thanks. I can't wait to be banned again for "not being entertaining" enough. See you over there!

By the way, are you going to keep the 10 minute restriction on comments from folks without enough karma? You should lift that.

Also, in fairness, as excited as I am about being granted entrance to your swill pond, ought you not grant the same privilege to anyone else that is mentioned or x-posted in your sub? Or do you admittedly believe that people do not have an inherent right to defend themselves?

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Funny that you're the person that was recently found to be defending a child pornographer.

Keep your eyes open people!

Oh, yeah. RecoveringGrace, the pedo-defender. Keep going with that.

During our last conversation you literally said there was no evidence against a child pornographer and that the accusations against them never went to trial. Why would you deliberately outright lie about something like that unless you were trying to defend a child pornographer???

I admitted to mixing up the guilty pleas and trials. It is all in our comment history. Everything I said stands and I haven't edited anything.

More importantly, did you hear about Trey Gowdy? Best news in weeks!!

I admitted to mixing up the guilty pleas and trials. It is all in our comment history. Everything I said stands and I haven't edited anything.

Thank goodness, makes your agenda clear, fortunately it's also all archived.

What, pray tell, is my agenda?

It's obvious to anybody following to be honest. That's the thing about defending child pornographers, it stands out.

That's great news. The sooner I don't have to see his face again the better.

Hi, r/TopMindsofReddit.

Every single time you comment, we are putting it in the database as proof of sedition.

You are likely on the list of the class action to sue for using public funds that have been funneled in an effort to impeach a President.

What in the world are you talking about? You're mad because I don't like Trey Gowdy?

Congratulations, you win today's edition of the Crazy Internet. Your gerbil and talking stick are available at the front desk.

Thank you for joining the list of defendants.

Thank you for making the absurd, dangerous stupidity of about one-fifth of the population more humorous and enjoyable for the rest of us.

Where will you be filing the statement of claim? How will you attach civil tort to a batshit insane theory of George Soros funding a tiny subreddit?

Are you saying that this sub is of no consequence? I'm wanting your clarification because there is another theory that this sub is very influential and that is the reason for the targeting and subsequent brigades.

there is another theory that this sub is very influential and that is the reason for the targeting and subsequent brigades.

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

You're kidding, right?

No, wait... you're the dude who just sent me that loony lawsuit message. Dude, I was a print reporter for nearly 25 years; I've been sued by actual people with actual money, given depositions that weren't imaginary for laws that actually exist.

When I jointed TMOR about a year ago, I'd say about 90% were just reasonably sane people who, frustrated by the amount of sheer unreasonable stupidity on reddit, decided to start mocking it where it appeared most often, which was conspiracy and the_donald.

Since then, the group seems to have morphed into half people mocking the insanely stupid, and half people banned by flytape or axotl from your forum.

So the answer is most definitely the former. It's of no consequence in the way that old sitcom repeats are of no consequence: it's entertaining and stupid, but if it disappeared tomorrow no one would really give a shit.

Keep going.

Dude, there is no more. That's it, that's all, that's everything.

If you really think government agents are out to get you, I'd recommend psychiatric help while you're still young enough for it to make a sincere difference.

K. Thank you for volunteering.

You're just being fodder for this sub

And, apparently, a couple think I'm serious.

"JOKES ON U GUYZ I WAS JUST PRETENDING TO BE RETARDED"

You've already publicly embarassed yourself, but I think people would have more respect for you if you owned up to it instead to saying "lol got u"

Poor little snowflake doesn't like the brigade.

I hope your president dies as a result of several bullets blasting through his cro-magnon skull. It would make me ecstatic to watch in full, gory detail, and I would think it the greatest event in recent world history. Am I a defendant now?

For context the above user, jloome, is now permanently banned from this subreddit as a result of admitting to engaging in manipulation of the subreddit;

They finally banned me last night. Took about a year of shitposting there on the most lunatic of threads.

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Add me in! I think you're dumb too :)

You do realize that its this kind of shit that TMOR is all about making fun of right?

Oh yeah.

Great comment

A faggot named /u/bestbasketweaver just posted you there

Lmao

OMG. I want to be a defendant!!!

I'll see you in court!

Better use of our tax dollars than building a stupid wall.

This is rich.

Thanks for the laugh this morning.

lolwut

Good luck, I'm behind 7 proxies

https://imgur.com/a/lSK6Q

Good luck, I'm behind 7 proxies

When's the last time you went outside?

Just got back from skiing this morning. Why?

It seems like someone who goes outside would realize how stupid it sounds that commenters on your stupid board would be hit with a lawsuit. That's all.

Literally LOLing here.

Actual LOL, thank you for that.

Please please please add me to your list too! Please sue me too. I can't wait to bill you for my attorney's fees.

lol

I’m putting you on my list.

Here is an open admittance of a TMoR that spends his time downvoting in this sub:

Obviously you mean an open admittance of a past /u/conspiracy user who's still interested in the stuff posting here.

Is this an illustration of the Whataboutism that y'all are inflicted with?

Um... no. Not at all. I'm pointing out that the link you pointed out could be interpreted it different ways, and that the way you interpreted it is pretty biased.

It is obviously someone that is admitting to coming to this sub and downvoting, regardless of their pledge to their shit-swill sub to refrain.

I was unaware people (especially those who previously were /u/conspiracy users) had to take a pledge not to ever vote on other subs that might be featured on TMOR. I was aware that people are told not to vote when going through links directly from TMOR (same as any other sub), which this person has not said they do.

I'm pretty sure that site rules prohibit voting in a sub you are banned from. That is in the message you get when you are banned, isn't it?

I don't know (I've never been banned from anywhere). But if those were the site-wide rules, surely the site would just be set up so that if you're banned, you can no longer up/down-vote? At least when signed in with the banned account, I would think.

I'm banned from politics and t_d and am able to vote in those subs. I doubt I'm special.

So.... I'm right then. If users are still allowed to vote in subs they're banned from (and, as far as I know, there's no language that asks them not to), what's the harm of old /u/conspiracy users still voting?

TMoR user: "Conspiracy theorists are so crazy XD"

Also TMoR user: "Russian bots are controlling the narrative on Reddit despite the fact that there hasn't been a pro-Trump/pro-Russia article on the front page in the history of this site!"

Not TMOR, but I downvoted you because making multiple edits to whine about your post score is pretty obnoxious, regardless of what sub we're in.

Oh, so you don't like updates and new information. You are one of those that believes a headline and seeks no further, even resists the new news when a source updates and/or redacts.

That doesn't make you a smart person.

lol, your posts are not "headlines". This really isn't that important.

Important enough for you to make a comment, apparently. Are you an alt of the person filling up my inbox with obnoxious pm's? Better hope not, because you are going in the list that I am sending to the admins as an annex to my former complaint.

You should probably take a break from Reddit.

Why is that?

Someone can be a user of more than one sub at a time lol. What they're "openly admitting to" is perfectly fine. They didn't describe their visit as being linked from TMoR, and it's not brigading or anything like that if they're just browsing /r/conspiracy of their own accord.

A bunch of sad mopes with sad days ahead of them. Went through this when they descended on 911Truth. Mods have a tough job. They want you to waste your time with them. Dabble and have some fun but move on to other things as soon as possible

Yeah, I'd just ignore those kids. It'd drive them nuts, and be far less effort.

TMOR = Shill HQ

Yup. Its the shill nerve-center where their goal is to stamp out anything that doesn't align with the Reddit Hivemind narrative. TPTB want forums like Reddit to be echo chambers where the NWO narrative is amplified and distributed to the normies. Dissent gets people thinking, and it can't be tolerated.

One of their new and favorite tactics is to project by calling any dissent "Russian shills/bots." Once you become aware of their tactics and vote manipulation, its as clear as day when they arrive on the scene.

It's kind of scary how little effort goes into completely discrediting any movement they don't like by crying "Russian Bots!" You're either a bot or got duped by bots.

They have the tactical mind of a college kid throwing water bombs

I would love to see what happens in their Discord.

Hillary's gift to the simple minded when calling someone a Nazi was losing its meaning and a plague of frogs were raining down in pestilence. "Russia Russia Russia!!!!"

do you not see all the self-proclaimed american patriots around that have such heavy russian accents that it somehow bleeds through in their comments? at least our librul shillz are still americans

No I tend not to get too wild with my imagination when it comes to who I am talking to or seeing comments by on the internet. But to answer your question, No I have never seen or talked to a user that I assumed to be a Russian.

the only imagination here is yours pretending this widespread issue does not exist. it's pretty easy to prove, too.

can i ask a friendly question? did you grow up in america? what is your hometown like?

Then prove it. From Belgium btw, in case you wanted to paint me as russian.

if you need me to prove it for you then you're already hopeless. I spent 2 hours arguing with an active poster who claimed he was an american redneck, only for me to easily out him as a russian after making mistakes common to using a cryllic keyboard for english.

i see a few "americans" here making those same mistakes, but even if I pointed them out there'd be yet another excuse about how its fake or thaf i'm the shill or that its even not important. most everyone here already has their mind made up, i just have fun watching them squirm in the face of being outed

I'm not pretending anything. I think even if Russian bots are out in full force with memes and hashtags BFD. They have a small part in the online manipulation game yet we don't mention any of the other players. I don't like being manipulated regardless of who is doing it or what nationality they are. I think it is silly to pretend the Russians are the only entity seeking influence online. But I'm also not scared of it as it isn't anything new.

Also yes I grew up in small town America but I don't typically divulge personal information on the internet. I wouldn't want to say anything that could potentially narrow down my location. Don't really care if you want to imagine I'm a Russian. For all I know I could just be talking to a bot anyway.

Then why are you supportive of people who say it doesn't even exist? Would you mind talking them into reason, too?

As for your huge concern for people finding out about any part of your patriotic american life, I could have easily predicted that answer. Vegas wouldn't have even given me odds for a bet on such a common, weak excuse.

Let me tell you about mine, though. I grew up in New England and i couldn't be prouder of it. Cape Cod has the most beautiful lighthouses, set on landscapes that couldnt be more perfect for a postcard. I also didn't live far from a beach right outside Boston: the water of which had disgusting amounts of kelp and the sand was horrendous. But the view of Boston from the beach could not be beat. I was last there almost a decade ago; I was forced to move as a kid in a military family. I now live in a shitty cookie-cutter military town, the cost of my dad's sacrifice to this country and everything it stands for.

Tell me, what makes you think that I'm anything but a warm-blooded american? I'm only here talking about my historically American beliefs. Why don't you give me a call so we can chat about it?

I don't even know who you are bud. I am a huge privacy advocate. I would never post the kind of information you posted there. I don't expect you to believe me and I think it's silly to think I have to prove where I grew up to you. Instead I will just describe your generic small town America as mine is just one of many. One or two stoplights or possibly not any if the town is not located an highway intersection. Even the smallest towns usually have some sort of grocery store and/or place to eat. Sometimes they are combined into one place like you can buy sandwiches or often hot foods as well. In bigger "small towns" you'll have a dedicated grocery store, a general store, few gas stations, hardware store, Autoparts/heavy machinery parts store,few restaurants/bars, insurance, and some other random businesses. Usually a school and a high school. Sometimes smaller towns will combine towns into one school. I don't know what else you'd want me to go on about. Small towns are called small towns for a reason.

woah, I think i might have been there before! it sounds just like Annapolis! it's a pretty beautiful place isn't it? I had to go there while I was at the national institute of health. pretty boring though, you're right. do you remember the lan cafe that was there a few years ago though?

Lmao no. Not a beautiful place. America is a big place and I'm sure there are different "small towns" but I described the small town I know.

Since you refuse to say a single word about your personal life, as if you're some sort of Terminator with only enough knowledge to combat liberals, let me ask you one last thing. Something all American patriots freely feel comfortable talking about.

How did you learn about the twin towers on 9/11?

I had to hear it from my family after school closed early. My aunt in the NYPD spent the day covered in the dust of the world trade centers and all it's contents, including the undetectable fragments of the people who were still inside. I spent the rest of the day watching the news in disbelief.

Do you really go around being some bot detective? You act like this is a regular conversation to have. But I will humor you anyway just because I'm curious what your deal is. I actually first heard if from a girl I crushed on at school. I didn't know what was going on yet. She was kind of a goof but passing her in the hallway she said something along the lines of "an airplane just crashed into a building" Then once back in the classroom the teacher briefly tried to explain what was happening. We had cable access in the school so we pretty muched watched it unfold on TV all day. I did have one teacher/hour who wouldn't let us watch saying that watching would just be letting the terrorists win. Of course we resented him for it because we got to watch TV in all the other hours/classes.

Yep, I do. I consider it like being a reddit Voight-Kampff test administrator. I think you pass, sorry for the unpleasant experience.

I like to look for a shred of humanity in people who typically seem not to have an ounce. It usually says more about someone than their position on some petty political decision. When I actually do find someone claiming to be American yet, for instance, makes grammar mistakes no native born American ever would and only posts in GMT daylight hours, upon this kind of questioning they tend to respond in a similar way depicted in the movie. They usually freak out in rage, eventually deleting their comments. Then I add another tally on my laptop and roam the digital underworld for more trolls.

It's a shame that it's considered normal for American compatriots to have such incredibly heated arguments over things that should be considered simple fact. It's too easy to forget that we're still all under the grand old flag.

Lol it's all good. I don't remember what we where originally talking about but I think it was probably Trump/Russia. The reason I get involved in debates about this is because this is the only conspiracy that has ever been forcefully rammed down our throats and I don't like the taste of it. I don't like anyone telling me what I should believe without presenting real undeniable facts. There are all these half truths being paraded around as absolute fact and nobody dare say otherwise. So I am here to say otherwise. At least until something real significant comes out about it anyway.

Examples?

you've already seen and ignored plenty if you've spent any amount of time here or in any other place with views that align with russia's interests. it's pointless for me to yet again find my own examples just so someone can yet again move the goalposts. if you are geniunely asking, you can find the most obvious examples on google

So none then? Literally just asking for examples. Don’t attack me like I’m making an argument or disagreeing with you.

Nobody attacked you, captain hair trigger judgement. I said it's not worth my time finding examples for someone I'm not sure would even be convinced by them in the first place. your one word comment didn't exactly instill much confidence if you really wanted me to go find and list evidence to your satisfaction

Now if you've calmed down, go back and re-examine the part where I said fucking google it if you need an example.

Wow. The hypocrisy of telling someone to calm down when you yourself are not... 🙄

do you have a point or are you just replying to fellate yourself more

Point: you are irrational for no reason.

I'm only saying that Russia, with a long history of and plenty of training in maliciously swaying the public opinion of other countries in a long game of political gamesmanship and also head by a man who worked in that very agency, that they very easily could be doing it still.

But you feel that's impossible because I don't seem to have evidence to show you. Is that rational to you?

It's like you're saying there's no fish in the ocean, using the fact that I'm not a fisherman to prove It. In fact, there's plenty of proof of fish at the fish market and there's plenty of research by experts of the ocean-- but you, a civilian know-nothing conspiracy theorist with intense personal bias, seem to know much better than them. Very rational of you.

PS, yes I'm clearly very intensely angry. I can't help but rage wank over your utter lack of rational thought. I love dismantling people like you because it makes me incredibly angry, not because it's my sick personal fetish.

I never said anything like that. I literally asked for examples to support the claim that you made.

Also, here's a bit of advice: try having a discussion with a single person without extrapolating that out to serve as a vent for your collective anger at the group you assume me to be within.

And also, quit lumping people into groups while you're at it.

Woah, where did all this concise thought come from? You even might be considered enlightened, if it weren't for your first posts where you acted like the entire controversy was solved simply because I couldn't immediately cater to solving your personal ignorance of very easy to find facts.

If you don't want to be lumped in with the rest of the idiot ideologues, maybe you shouldn't ask questions you already had your own bullshit answer for.

It's fine if you don't wanna provide sources. Just don't go around making arguments that require proof. Problem solved. Don't get mad about people asking for your sources though.

Keep digging in your heels. It's very becoming of you.

Such rational logic, Albert Einstien himself could form a proof over your ideas about how mad I am.

I get it though, you just can't be bothered to research it yourself with such an intense google search. So fine, here's a source: Kremlin Playbook

But we both already know how you're going to reply.

That's an example of a user in r/conspiracy displaying this behavior...?

do you not see all the self-proclaimed american patriots around that have such heavy russian accents that it somehow bleeds through in their comments? i'm only moderately interested yet I have them show up in my feeds pretty often.

You said they show up in your feed pretty often and yet you cannot link to a single comment from someone who so obviously is a Russian bot that it "bleeds through"?

What do you know, the guy still doesn't believe that there's fish in the ocean even when he's given all the reasons why they are there.

It’s not a source that supports your claim.

i never claimed I had specific evidence of anything

Pretty easy: proof of what you said. If you accuse someone of a crime, provide evidence of said crime. If you accuse users on here of being obvious Russian shills, provide evidence of said claim.

A playbook that theoretically proves the existence of Russian shills does not support your claim that you’ve interacted with many that were so obviously Russian that it bled through the screen.

And you know this. So again: put up or stfu.

Guess what, pal: I don't live to collect and catalog evidence for random dipshits like you. Like I've said this whole time, you're clearly more committed to ignorance and disbelief than you are reason and historical trend, regardless of what I say. If not, why not prove me wrong and keep your eyes open for some of the many "patriotic americans" that infest these places, with strangely broken english and even stranger avoidance of conversation with any real American value

How am I committed to ignorance and disbelief when I’m repeatedly asking you to provide proof and you refuse to do so? Once again, can I see some proof of what you claim to be true?

No? Oh okay, then. Guess you lose.

Very typical of people like you to misrepresent reality so flagrantly. I didn't refuse to, I told you that the evidence does not exist for me to just on a whim serve to you on a platter that you would find acceptable.

Watch as I prove my point by giving you the little that could exist of this precious evidence that you're obsessed over, so you can then say it's not acceptable as if that's not exactly what I tried to tell you: https://www.ceddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/7oplky/stephen_king_on_twitter_anyone_who_has_to_call/dsejcvs/

Because he wrote “one doesn’t have attended” instead of “one doesn’t have to have attended”?

That’s a typo, dude. Jesus. This Russian Redscare McCarthyism has you paranoid as fuck. Unless you have examples that don’t just look like typos then I think we’re done here.

Hahaha I fucking told you, didn't I? I told you it wasn't acceptable because his comments were deleted. Why don't you prove to me that he wasn't Russian like you're claiming?

Burden is on he who makes the claim, smart guy. Your proof doesn’t prove shit. Is anyone who makes a post with a typo Russian?

Since proof is clearly the only thing that matters, either provide evidence that my proof is not legitimate or concede the debate.

Don’t provide shitty “proof,” then. You lose.

If your next reply does not have a full proven theorem including detailed scientific method confirmation, you might as well just admit your opinion is wrong.

That’s your last resort huh? Good to hear your last gasp of air before suffocation. Goodbye, loser.

Are you going to publish that in a scientific journal?

Don’t need to. You never proved your argument. Bye.

Are you saying that a lack of evidence proves something? Can you explain how a lack of evidence is somehow evidence of anything in itself? You might just be onto an amazing new scientific research method!

By the way, I'd say I made this whole thing up entirely but I haven't yet collected enough evidence to prove it. Maybe once I get a research grant from the American Botched Lobotomy Society I'll be able to make some progress though!

By the way, I'd say I made this whole thing up entirely

Glad you admit it. Bye.

You're just going to take my word for it? I thought you were a champion of evidence and proof?

Or is it that you already had your stable genius mind already made up, like I told you at the start of this incredibly productive discussion.

You're embarrassing yourself. Pretty clear you don't even believe your own argument anymore. Without proof, we can spout off about anything and everything.

But it's good to know you have no proof. So more likely than not... you're wrong as fuck.

Yes, but not everything can have easily producable proof. Nobody has proved that gravity even exists, and they have had billions in funding to do so. Why don't you be a little consistent and start claiming gravity theorists are embarassing too?

What in your strange mind thinks that me, a random guy with better things to do, has any means to have my own archived proof for you to examine. How do you propose I should have done so?

Again, why don't you tell me what kind of evidence you're asking for?

Good job trying to distract from the fact that you were embarrassingly inept at providing the proof you yourself said you had.

I never said I had proof of anything. Actually, I've been arguing this whole time that it can not exist to your satisfaction. Funny how you consider the glaring hole in your unmeetable demand a "distraction".

If solid proof was so easily procured by just anybody, there wouldn't be a controversy in the first place now would there?

Your first comment in this entire conversation was the claim that you can spot these bots/shills easily, so where is your proof?

Thats right. I feel that I've seen people that suspiciously seem like they could be lying about their nationality. Are you asking me to prove a subjective opinion now? You want me to give you evidence of my personal suspicion?

Hey, there we go! It’s not so obvious, is it? Finally, you admit it. My job is done here. Adios!

I admitted the thing I've been saying this entire time? You're the only one here hinging the universe over some kind of proof you won't even define.

You claimed you could spot them easily. Guess it’s not so easy...

It is easy to spot a shill when you happen to come across one and know what to look for. Again, it was your own clueless assumption that I would be able to just find one on command. It's like you'd call out a fisherman for claiming to have easily caught a few fish in his day, all because he isn't able to produce a fish on your personal whim. The fact that you refuse to accept such an incredibly basic concept is pretty good evidence that something is preventing you from following logical train of thought. Maybe you're just another fanatical stable genius with no interest in meaningful argument.

By the way, have you seen any liberal shills nearby? I hear they're a major problem around these parts.

What is with you and fish analogies. Damn.

I'm a fish industry shill, obviously.

maybe one of the russians would be kind enough to reveal themselves just so I can meet your irrelevant expectations of evidence?

Why would they need to do that? You said you can spot them easily...

That's exactly what I said. I can't keep them from deleting their comments. You're not so stupid not to realize that, right?

Every single one of these comments in question has been deleted? That’s a horrible argument. And if so, it means you have no proof of your claim.

Oh no, I don't have proof for a worthless debate I never wanted! I'm finished!

Bud, your refusal to understand anything but this abstract mythical concept of proof you have will not lead you anywhere in life. Maybe if I was paid to do this shit, I'd find the time to write a study about my findings and back up all my reddit interactions. Unless you want to pay me instead, your "proof" can not anywhere but on the actual reddit server logs.

Why don't you tell me what kind of proof you're looking for? I never said I had any, but you're so obsessed over it. Surely you have something in mind?

What does this sentence even mean? What bullshit answer did I already have for the question, “Examples?”

It means that regardless of what I said you'd still have the brainless conclusion of "So no source, then?", as if my personal lack of preparation for your comment has any bearing whatsoever.

The comments I had bookmarked are either deleted by now or too subtle to make any obvious point. So I told you to google it, because that's what I'd have to do anyways.

I've been through this dipshit charade too many times before, just tell me why the source I gave you is fake or whatever so I can call you an idiot and move on.

Dude, get over yourself. We’re like 10 comments deep here and you still cannot fucking provide me with a single example to support your claim.

I’m not going on some while fucking goose chase because you made claim you were too lazy to support with evidence.

Put up or shut up.

10 comments and you are still missing the point.

Why exactly are you relying on me of all people to prove to you something that is already incredibly well studied? The fact is that if you had a critical, neutral bone in your body you'd already have noticed enough odd posts to at least make you unsure.

The "evidence" that would somehow satisfy you is inherently hard to find. The best a user can do is out a shill and watch him delete his comments, but that's not so great for evidence is it? But you're so dumb that you think that somehow proves it doesn't exist? Amazing how little you give a shit about this.

Very simple: you make a claim, you provide the evidence to support it.

Why don't you show me evidence you're not a tiny cambodian man being forced to support Russia at gunpoint?

This is how I know you don’t know how to debate. Because I didn’t make the claim I’m a “Cambodian man being forced to support Russia.”

This is not your sophomore debate club, either prove that you're not a cambodian hostage or admit utter defeat. I'm not even sure how you would prove you aren't, but that's your fucking problem isn't it!

Uh, holy shit. You really fucking suck at this.

That's not a valid debate argument.

Doesn’t need to be since this debate is over because you forfeited.

I'm still here. Please provide the proof you're refusing to hand over.

Removed. Rule 10

ESS would like to have a word with you.

I suspect the plan of the spooks is to harass you in an attempt to make you resign, then you are one less obstacle in the way of the shills.

This. They want a faker world. Never surrender.

Yes, we know, and yet you mods aren't willing to do anything about it.

1. Automatically ban anybody who has ever subscribes to or posts on TMoR, including any mods who have done so. Ban anybody who has commented there except to defend the sub (based on context).

2. Put every post in contest mode for 48 hours.

Boom, 90% of problem solved.

Get automod to hit the button on every new post?

You could ask the mods of asktrumpsupporters for help with the contest mode setting. Every post in that sub is automatically (afaik) set to contest mode. I don't know if they can revert it back after 48 hours though.

Two easy steps to ruin this sub. Great!

I think contest mode would be enough to make them bored here and go away. As they aren't interested in actual discussion and are just here to disrupt, if you take away their primary power, vote manipulation, they won't be able to disrupt and will get frustrated an leave eventually.

I don't think contest would get rid of TMoR. They get their jollies by sucking each other off in their little clubhouse.

What contest would do, is get rid of paid shills and Karma farmers- so, maybe the TMoR alts would be impacted.

They can't suck each other off if they can't upvote their comments to the top and bury everything else. I really don't care if they suck each other off as long as we can resume balanced discussion and not have to dig for actual rational/logical comments. Without the power to control the conversation via upvotes/downvotes I think they will lose interest.

Lol, we're in contest now!

Can that be automated?

I don't see any reason they couldn't script automod to do boththings.

1. Automatically ban anybody who has ever subscribes to or posts on TMoR, including any mods who have done so. Ban anybody who has commented there except to defend the sub (based on context).

I absolutely disagree with that, similar to how I’d disagree if anyone tried banning people who also post on politics or t_d. It’s fucking stupid and doesn’t solve anything, period.

The difference is that TMoR is a sub with the singular and express purpose of disrupting and harassing others, primarily this one. Under reddit's TOS it should have been banned when it was revealed that they were constantly brigading, but the admins have decided to allow it.

Then ask the admins to get rid of the sub. I still absolutely disagree with banning anyone from this sub based on where else they post. This sub should be concerned with what is posted here, not somewhere else. Anything else and you’re letting them win.

The mods have, and the admins won't.

I sympathize with your ideals, but the TMoR / SB brigading is destroying this sub, and extreme measures need be taken.

Those extreme measures are about as worthless of a solution as Trump’s wall. It won’t stop anything.

Contest mode certainly will, it makes brigading pointless. TMoR will just start up as something else (TMoR is just a relabeled conspiritard) but it will disrupt them and make them have to do a whole lot of extra work.

I’m not taking about contest mode. I’m taking only about banning. I get why people want it, but I’ve been staunchly opposed to the idea of banning someone from this sub for actions taken outside of this sub. If they come and harass people here, ban that person.

Problem is that most of them just come here and vote and skew the narrative. I have access to totesmessenger for this sub, so I get to see what's going on maybe a little more than average.

Oh, I’m sure they do. I’m sure many other subs do the same thing, maybe on more of a quieter level. I know a while back there were accounts in here just recycling posts and conversations from t_d before someone caught them. I didn’t save the post where they got caught, but I’m guessing if you’ve been around you might recall that.

The problem, to me at least, is that by allowing these people to get under your skin you just encourage them. I advocate for completely ignoring them in order to not get caught up in the drama, which is a method of distracting us.

I do remember that yes.

Problem is they're completely skewing the dialogue and making this sub look like /r/politics jr. Also, I'm sick of racking up 150 downvotes every time I argue anything that makes the Blue team look bad.

T_D and Politics are different. TMOR is an operation and the sub is used to identify and direct the harassment.

Put every post in contest mode for 48 hours.

Oh HELL nah. Contest mode KILLS discussion.

No, not at all. It spreads the discussion out over a wider network. It also makes it much more difficult for brigades to guide the narrative.

It spreads the discussion out over a wider network.

Please example this for me.

The top two or three threads of the average post consist of two teams of shills arguing talking points and manipulating votes.

If propagandists are no longer able to push a single thread to the top because the threads are sorted randomly then the discussion is broken up into a whole bunch of smaller discussions with a much greater variety of subjects, and no forced narrative. Brigading becomes much more labor intensive when they can't just target the top thread everytime.

The top two or three threads of the average post consist of two teams of shills arguing talking points and manipulating votes.

Sounds like a PERFECT opportunity for a mod like axolotl_peyotl to step in and BAN THE SHILLS, which is a better...MUCH BETTER idea than punishing EVERYONE for what the shills are doing here.

Why is banning shills not a thing and if it is a thing, why isn't axolotl_peyotl doing that instead of posting "muh Russia" threads?

Contest mode is no good there's no way to sort the comments.

Sort by newest?

I think after enough people contact the admin about this blatant violation of TOS, they will eventually get shut down. Reddit cannot afford to have such a hateful group of people roaming the site harassing and brigading innocent users, especially after they go public. Their time will come. Until then, I recommend everyone report them to the admin for every single offense.

Don't let them get you down AP, we have your back.

From what I have observed Reddit picks a chooses where to selectively enforce the rules. I'm afraid a blind eye will be turned against attacks against /r/conspiracy. It's up to users like you and me to stick up for OP and this sub as a whole. It is the last place on Reddit you can still have balanced discussion without massive vote manipulation and meaningless bickering though that is what these attackers are trying to devolve this sub down into.

They can turn a blind eye all they want to, it will catch up with them. You cannot simple enforce rules on some subs/users and not others before it comes to a head. Use their own rules to force them to do something. Every fucking time. If enough people do it enough times, something will give eventually.

Spooks are above the rules that the rest of us have to adhere to

Speaking as an 11 year user of this site I can say with certainty that the admins are corrupt as fuck, or at the least, are told what to do by their corporate higher ups.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/309fuf/how_reddit_was_destroyed_ver30/

I’ve read that post before, but it’s been a while. Thanks, I’ll reread soon.

Keep it up man it can't be easy. It's very strange with how obsessed with you and what /r/conspiracy is doing as a whole. Don't get worn down by their constant attempts at character assassination. Just look at where this post is sitting, 58% with 6 points. This post is calling out obvious fuckery and vote manipulation/brigading which is something I would think regular conspiracy users would be interested in seeing. There is an obvious conspiracy against you and regular users of this sub.

In their own words:

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And here is one of them openly admitting that they come here daily to downvote:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/7t4zvs/top_mod_tries_to_control_narrative_by_banning/dtaj7ee

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report it every fucking time.

I am, I suggest other do the same. If they can spam and harass us, we can flood admins until they do something about it.

I found it curious that the harassment I've experienced for two years slowed to a near stop when I started mentioning the fact that they may be legally liable for cyberstalking and that I am willing to sue them, their mods and Reddit admin.

That is my point. Rule are written for a reason. It goes both ways.

Here’s another one foolish enough to admit it...

http://np.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/7ub9ku/rconspiracys_top_mod_still_doesnt_understand_that/dtiy9zf

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Like it or not, people are allowed to vote however they want on /r/conspiracy, as long as they are not coming from an outside link with the intention of brigading.

Anyone can go on r/con and down vote whoever they like. It's only against the rules if they're following a link there.

Go Lakers?

Can you explain why you have an opinion in a sub you don't contribute to?

I've commented in this sub before, and I've read it fairly regularly for the last couple years. Can you explain why you're trying to gatekeep me instead of address what I said?

Go Lakers?

Can you explain why you have an opinion in a sub you don't contribute to?

I'll try to field this one. The subreddit r/conspiracy is a public message board that anyone can join by creating a reddit account.

As there is no minimum amount of participation required to participate, the user made a comment about the sub despite not commenting here much.

Word for word exactly what that sub is trying to do here.

Spooks after about the rules, protected, that's how you know it is them, otherwise they would have been banned years ago.

In their own words:

We do not tolerate the harassment of people on our site, nor do we tolerate communities dedicated to fostering harassing behavior.

Harassment on Reddit is defined as systematic and/or continued actions to torment or demean someone in a way that would make a reasonable person conclude that Reddit is not a safe platform to express their ideas or participate in the conversation, or fear for their safety or the safety of those around them.

Being annoying, vote brigading, or participating in a heated argument is not harassment, but following an individual or group of users, online or off, to the point where they no longer feel that it's safe to post online or are in fear of their real life safety is.

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You might want to delete this one, looks like you accidentally doubleposted

I'll leave it I think some people need to read then a couple of times. But thanks for the heads up.

Lmao they have arrived! No comments of course because how can they without looking guilty af. However the downvotes are pouring in. Like I have said they have no interest in actual discussion. Just here to disrupt.

You consistently champion the Trump agenda and dive into political, partisan fights, in spite of your promise to step away from such fights. People disdain you because you refuse to moderate neutrally, and will post as a mod in your own threads complaining about brigades. They disdain you because your often incredibly partisan threads seem to get hit with especially heavy handed moderation. Personally, I find your obsession with shills and TMOR to be repulsive, but that one may just be me.

There are reasons people disdain you, but you would rather blame some external force than acknowledge your own failure to follow through on your promises.

So from what I'm hearing from you, the best way to deal with someone you disagree with is not to ignore them, but to attempt to silence them.

You'll need to expand on that for me if I'm to respond to it

You are basically saying he is being rightfully silenced because he has right leaning posts/comments and has been accused of partisan moderating even though it is the brigading that is partisan, not the moderating.

Oh I see. No, I'm what I'm saying is not that his views should be silenced, but that he is blending his position as a moderator with his position as a user. He is using his moderator status to leave comment accusations of shilling and brigading in his post, and just in general had promised not to join in the political wars anymore.

Basically, he can't stop being a high-ranking mod of this subreddit (short of stepping down), and even were he not posting as a mod in his threads there is still an issue, which he acknowledged in his big comeback post a little bit ago.

TL;DR: Moderators of major subreddits are held to a different standard when posting in their own sub

I have seen mods in other subs post about brigading and otherwise unsavory behavior on certain posts. I see it as being transparent rather than saying nothing and pretending brigading isn't happening when it obviously is.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7ray8o/an_update_on_admin_policy_regarding_harassment/

So, I see my mistake, I read the post before he went back on his statement and acknowledged that he would not be abstaining. So, this resurgence of political partisanship, while regretful, was apparently announced.

Also, you'll need to link something equivalent to AP's mod participation, because while I've seen threads are occasionally locked due to brigades or getting out of hand, it's not equivalent.

major subreddits

From the way TMoR tells the tale, this sub is of little consequence. Test it out by making a post about paid shills attacking this sub on a daily basis. I guarantee you that it will be spammed with comments saying that this sub is so irrelevant that no one would waste their time or money.

Ok, even if that's their ideology, I clearly don't agree. There are bigger subs out there, but this one is still fairly large, as you can see from the active users (the subscribers number is admittedly inflated).

Personally, I find your obsession with shills and TMOR to be repulsive, but that one may just be me.

You don't sound organic

a) Come on, jumping straight to shill implications? You can do better.

b) It is absolutely possible to be organically sick of the constant "I'm downvoted therefore the SHILLS!!1!" that is present from certain users of this sub.

Have you reported this to the admins? It probably won't do any good, as they've let /r/srs brigade and have done nothing about it.

It's not apathy

Indifferent is probably the right word.

Hmm, sympathetic is the word i'd choose. Sympathetic to the needs of corporations. You think they fuel reddit to make the world a better place? Its so you buy(or not) their stupid ass products

The Admins are complicit. They want Reddit to be a perfect little politically correct echochamber that aligns with the narrative, for advertising revenue and probably other perks that we aren't aware of.

One need only look into who owns reddit to understand why it is the way it is.

Just like they are when you bring up the topic of shills and political astroturfing. Imagine that. Could it be that they is money to be made?

Not only have they proved they would take part in censorship themselves, but they're likely in cahoots with govt agencies like other social media sites.

Just like they are when you bring up the topic of shills and political astroturfing. Imagine that. Could it be that there is money to be made?

Not only have they proven they would take part in censorship themselves, but they're likely working with govt agencies like other social media sites.

At the time I am writing this, there are 390 TMOR on the recently viewed an 3626 for conspiracy, nearly 10x as much. Maybe TMOR can dogpile on an already unpopular post, but for the most part they are much smaller than the user base for /r/conspiracy.

Maybe, just MAYBE /u/axolotl_peyotl many users of this subreddit are tired of the inconsitent moderation from the modteam, particularly when it comes to pro and anti POTUS posts. And maybe many of the users here are tired of your whining and political posts. I dunno its just a (conspiracy) theory.

Why not trigger the TMOR and resign from modding?

TMOR is just the tip of the shill iceberg, they will be mass emailing each other, using software for automatically keyword deployment, they have other places to meet too. They are actually foolish for letting us catch any glimpse into their shill world, allowing us to watch them in TMOR.

K. But how do you know?

There have been enough whistleblowers and leaked info over the years, we also witness their activities in this sub daily.

Link a whistleblower who provided something more substantial than:

1. Their own word.

2. A 4chan screenshot.

3. A craigslist ad.

4 hrs later.......

[citation needed]

https://i.imgur.com/P6kcy4A.jpg

Just look at how they've slammed every comment with downvotes. They may not outnumber us, but they employ votebots so it doesn't really matter. And honestly, you sound like one of them.

And honestly, you sound like one of them.

What are you the /r/conspiracy gestapo?

What's one of them?

You know, one of those people who disagrees with the pro-trump hivemind

You are.

You're so transparent.

Hijacking posts and having organic discussions do not happen any more. 326 is enough to bury any comments/questions and kill a post.

So is contest mode and labeling posts "Unverified"

I never suggested that as an alternative. I don't know enough about "unverified" labels but contest mode is boring.

Neither am I suggesting it as an alternative, but the mods sure do love it.

I don't see tags. Where do you see them on the page?

Of course they are gone now. Read the comment.

Oh yeah. Now I remember, this was during the Fake News bonanza!

Contest mode doesn't kill comments from being viewed. I'm seeing yours right now. I don't even have to go to the bottom of the page and expand a bunch of collapsed comments.

Contest mode absolutely doesn't kill discussion. Does a forum kill discussion because you can't vote on posts? Come on bud.

Been saying this for months. Leftist are hijacking and brigading the sub. The same crowd thats over taken worldnews and politics is trying the same here.

Brigades the sub

Downvotes every single comment by the real users

Tries to gaslight the moderators

real users

I agree with everything you said.

Any TMoR Losers that want a new elevated human to serve as a lightning rod for your sophomoric attempts at self-celebration feel free to PM me.

I've been banned so I cannot directly talk shit anymore.

Any TMoR Losers that want a new elevated human

Calling /r/Iamverysmart

I am not very smart. I got an English degree from a middling state school before the digital age.

I am wise tho, and meditate daily. Is there a /r/iamsowise? You can mock me by linking that.

For context the above user, jloome, is now permanently banned from this subreddit as a result of admitting to engaging in manipulation of the subreddit;

They finally banned me last night. Took about a year of shitposting there on the most lunatic of threads.

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Harrassment and brigading is wrong and the admins should do something about it. They should just remove that sub.

So should the admins ban T_D for their constant harassment of spez?

Yep.

Reddit only considers it harrasing when you ping users with insults or actually encourage sending people insults (on- or offplatform).
Same with briading, a sub has to actively encourage people to vote or comment in theads to be considered briading.

If the admins feel like the rules aren't enforced, most of the times they will contact the mods and tell them to cut their shit. But linking and moking people is allowed, otherwise most meta-subs and a whole bunch of other subs could be banned too.

Except for fph

Reddit banned fph for doxxing and harasment. Imhur banned fph first, fph then started harrasing and doxxing imgur employees. Doxxing is a hard limit for reddit admins since the boston bomber debacle and fph got banned. All doxxing stuff gets removed by admins quickly if the mods don't step in. That's why most subs are quite strict with censoring names on facebook screenshots.

Call me crazy but I think ALL Admins should be rotated out ever 6 months-1 year

Admins or mods?

Admins are employees.

Whichever position uses real people. If you’re in a position such as an admin, you will eventually develop a certain hate towards certain people regardless if they are saying truth or not. People eventually wear other people down and to prevent this people should continuously be rotated. If they are indeed employees, then they should never bitch about how much content they have to sift through and delete/censor. If you can’t take the heat, then get out of the kitchen more or less. I didn’t ask for anybody to sift through the comments of every thread just so I can have everything nice and tidy for my viewing pleasure. Sure it’s nice to see some of the asshole comments removed once in a while but it’s getting to a point where people just trying to express their own voice are getting shut down and I draw a line at that. That’s fucking bullshit. People have a right to be heard even if their name is something like Xxmountaindewyourmom420xX

If they are indeed employees, then they should never bitch about how much content they have to sift through and delete/censor.

I think you are confusing admins and mods.

Probably, which is why I said whatever position uses real people. Sorry for the confusion

Then go tell the admins.

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What the hell? Why would that mod care about the LV second shooter story?

That creeps me out.

TMOR Mod's response before it was deleted by axolotl:

"/u/Moranall even had the audacity to message the /r/conspiracy mods yesterday calling for us to remove all posts on the 2nd "person of interest" in the Las Vegas shooting case.

Glad you mentioned my name. Here is literally what I sent to the modmail:

Again, we're back to doxxing with regard to the LV shooting. The judge unsealed some police documents which revealed a second person of interest, but I don't think this makes someone a "popular" person that can now be identified by the masses.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7u4nsn/second_person_of_interest_in_las_vegas_douglas/dthlpdl/ https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7u4nsn/second_person_of_interest_in_las_vegas_douglas/dthq159/ https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7u59ax/second_person_of_interest_identified_in_las_vegas/dthnxnu/

Is this something you really want on the sub? I get that you're conspiracy-minded individuals, but this is really towing a thin line.

I'm sorry I had the wherewithal to be concerned about the doxxing of what was, in my mind, a non-public figure. However, u/Balthanos replied:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/30/us/las-vegas-attack-paddock-shooting.html It's in a MSM article, no?

I was not aware of this article but the point was valid, so I conceded my point:

Ah, my apologies. I did not see that article nor was aware that the press was that far along. I guess that kind of kills my argument.

So where in that chain of messaging did I call for you to remove all posts on that? I literally called out the posts that were doxxing the second person of interest. And then backed down on my argument when presented with the news source."

Sure.. lurk around for years and then ping me twice? What's with these shenanigans there, running guy?

Sorry, didn't mean to ping you. Just copied and pasted someone's comment. This is an alt I use, I have a lot of personal stuff on my main account.

/u/Moranall even had the audacity to message the /r/conspiracy mods yesterday calling for us to remove all posts on the 2nd "person of interest" in the Las Vegas shooting case.

Glad you mentioned my name. Here is literally what I sent to the modmail:

Again, we're back to doxxing with regard to the LV shooting. The judge unsealed some police documents which revealed a second person of interest, but I don't think this makes someone a "popular" person that can now be identified by the masses.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7u4nsn/second_person_of_interest_in_las_vegas_douglas/dthlpdl/
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7u4nsn/second_person_of_interest_in_las_vegas_douglas/dthq159/
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7u59ax/second_person_of_interest_identified_in_las_vegas/dthnxnu/

Is this something you really want on the sub? I get that you're conspiracy-minded individuals, but this is really towing a thin line.

I'm sorry I had the wherewithal to be concerned about the doxxing of what was, in my mind, a non-public figure. However, u/Balthanos replied:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/30/us/las-vegas-attack-paddock-shooting.html It's in a MSM article, no?

I was not aware of this article but the point was valid, so I conceded my point:

Ah, my apologies. I did not see that article nor was aware that the press was that far along. I guess that kind of kills my argument.

So where in that chain of messaging did I call for you to remove all posts on that? I literally called out the posts that were doxxing the second person of interest. And then backed down on my argument when presented with the news source.

The only one creating drama here is you. If you weren't posting about this incessantly, we wouldn't have material to work with.

Your sub is literally about creating drama, Moranall. And about hate and division.

When was the last time your sub said something even close to nice? I challenge you to finding a single post, even a comment, that isn't grounded in hatred.

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Removed. Rule 10

Why would you feel the need to police a sub you don't use? If you have disdain for the silly minds of this place, would it not serve your interests to see it shutdown for an offense like doxxing?

I don't really consider it "policing". I was reaching out to them, as another moderator, of a concern I had. I personally find that doxxing of someone that is not a public figure is a far bigger concern than any sort of meta drama between our two subs. That's why I pointed this out to them though when u/Balthanos showed the NY Times articled that had pretty much already revealed these details, it made my point moot.

People have been harassed by conspiracy-minded individuals IRL (see Sandy Hook, Boston Bombing, etc.) and it's something I personally stand strongly against.

If you're an active TMOR user (or mod) you've got to realize that you're going to be perceived as trying to harass rather than as some altruistic do-gooder. No fan of AP, think he is making the situation worse for himself and the sub--also appreciate the transparency you've tried to provide, however, its difficult believe you did not act in-part to harass the mod team a bit.

prove it?

Don't let those loons get you down. Stay focused and remember you have partners here.

you really are a dumbass aren't you? Critical thinking apparently cannot occur in your brain.

What was their reason for wanting "the 2nds person of interest in LV" post removed?

The mod of TMOR responding but axolotl deleted the response.

Edit: His response

"/u/Moranall even had the audacity to message the /r/conspiracy mods yesterday calling for us to remove all posts on the 2nd "person of interest" in the Las Vegas shooting case.

Glad you mentioned my name. Here is literally what I sent to the modmail:

Again, we're back to doxxing with regard to the LV shooting. The judge unsealed some police documents which revealed a second person of interest, but I don't think this makes someone a "popular" person that can now be identified by the masses.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7u4nsn/second_person_of_interest_in_las_vegas_douglas/dthlpdl/ https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7u4nsn/second_person_of_interest_in_las_vegas_douglas/dthq159/ https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7u59ax/second_person_of_interest_identified_in_las_vegas/dthnxnu/

Is this something you really want on the sub? I get that you're conspiracy-minded individuals, but this is really towing a thin line.

I'm sorry I had the wherewithal to be concerned about the doxxing of what was, in my mind, a non-public figure. However, u/Balthanos replied:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/30/us/las-vegas-attack-paddock-shooting.html It's in a MSM article, no?

I was not aware of this article but the point was valid, so I conceded my point:

Ah, my apologies. I did not see that article nor was aware that the press was that far along. I guess that kind of kills my argument.

So where in that chain of messaging did I call for you to remove all posts on that? I literally called out the posts that were doxxing the second person of interest. And then backed down on my argument when presented with the news source."

Seriously. Just have automod filter out accounts newer than 2 months and ban the trolls. I'm just some guy who bitches about the brigading. You can fix it.

why is he doing this?

I downvote your dumbass posts and I'm not a shill

And they're downvoting this post.

Can we please just ban anyone that posts there?

The problem is that they use alts. Mods can't see IPs, only admin can, and admin won't help the mods on this.

What would help is what u/accountingisboring suggests, and alert admin when you are harassed. It worked for me.

Skip the mods. Go straight to the admins. Force them to enforce their own fucking rules.

Can you possibly conceive of people downvoting Russian propaganda because they can see it for what it is? I can't understand why OP would choose this battle to fight. I can't think of anyone who ever said Putin held fair elections.

Help me out. Can you list the countries that are our enemies, and why?l

Help me out. What does that have to do with the election in Russia?

Everything.

😂😂😂

No, but do you want to explain to me why you think Russia has fair elections?

Can you possibly conceive of people downvoting Russian propaganda because they can see it for what it is?

Month old account, full of standard talking points. Fuck off with your CIA propaganda. Russia didn't hack the election, and they didn't hack Pokemon Go.

How old does somebody's account have to be before their opinion is legit. Cause yours isn't even a year old

How old does somebody's account have to be before their opinion is legit. Cause yours isn't even a year old

Ask your friends in r/topminds.

Again ... be the change you want to see. If you don't enforce sitewide rules here, the admins aren't going to do shit.

Why does this Mod constantly make these whiny posts?

Triggers people like you, that's enough for me.

Funny, axotl seems to be the triggered one.

So... you don’t care about discourse and only care about “triggering” people you don’t agree with?

Sounds like a sad life lol

You know what would trigger me real bad?

You tongueing a lamp socket.

You might want to get on that asap.

Post videos.

Removed. Rule 4

Fuck your shitty little shill filled sub and fuck yourself while you're at it asshole.

Removed. Rule 4

The Top Minds who aren't shills truly are the premiere example of the Dunning-Krueger effect in action. I've never seen anything quite like it.

You're letting them win when you post shit like this, they've been doing this shit forever and they'll never stop since they're not breaking any site rules/being enforced.

This is exactly what they want. It’s also what people who want to push fear, division, and hatred along with exacerbating a persecution complex would do. I’m not saying that the mod who posted this is siding with them intentionally, just that their posts about this fully fall in line with that end. Maybe they want the drama. Sure seems like it.

Very fine idiots on both sides.

“What about the conspiracy theorists that came charging at, as you say, at the TMOR sub?” Trump said. “Do they have any semblance of guilt?”

“I’ve condemned TMOR. I’ve condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were TMOR, believe me,” he said.

“You had many people in that group other than TMOR and /r/esist commenters,” Trump said. “The press has treated them absolutely unfairly.”

“You also had some very fine people on both sides,” he said.

As an active subscriber to both here, I agree. But just because people disagree with the idiot mod here and don't feel like typing a page long argument every time they support things I disagree with or put threads I find interesting in fucking contest mode (Thanks mods!) doesn't mean the place is infiltrated and targeted. Think it just means the mod is an over sensitive asshole.

I appreciate doing what you do OP. Keep fighting back, gather that data. Keep collecting the evidence.

not trying to attack anyone here, but just pointing out that there has been a lot of tension regarding certain behaviors in this sub and not just from outside the sub such as TMOR but from within /r/conspiracy itself.

Im not saying there is or isnt brigading, I am saying there is also the possibility that some posts and comments do not have the substance to stand on their own.

Lets look at the linked article and submission comment in a questioning manner, much as we normally would in the conspiracy sub.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7u1py5/how_come_washingtons_in_a_rush_to_rig_russias/dtgtyld/

The New Eastern Journal is literally a product of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Which has been completely co-opted by the Russian government.

"Putin tightens control over Russian Academy of Sciences"

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/06/putin-tightens-control-over-russian-academy-sciences

Perhaps the downvotes were from people who arent wild about literal government propaganda being shared as truth in a conspiracy sub?

"The reform proposal has been strongly criticized by the 1st July Club, an informal union of regular and corresponding RAS members named after the day when they first protested in 2013.

In a letter to President Putin and members of both chambers of the parliament earlier this month, the group calls the three-candidate limit "absolutely unacceptable." It notes that elections can go forward even if only one candidate has been approved, effectively making the process a "fiction" and replacing it with a presidential appointment.

RAS's "scientific level and reputation have been irreparably damaged - Gelfand says. “It has no muscle for resistance." "

Lets take a look at some of that authors other work, while bearing in mind his work at New Eastern Journal:

*http://newfreepages.blogspot.com/2016/11/grete-mautner-will-criminal-election.html

It won’t be too much of an exaggeration to state that the latest presidential election in the United States exposed the criminal nature of America’s ruling elites more than any other event in the US history. Western journalist would love to claim that such statements are nothing but some kind of response to the blatant propaganda campaign they’ve unleashed against a number of US competitors on the international stage, including Russia and China,

*https://journal-neo.org/2018/01/10/america-may-soon-face-an-apocaliptic-event-of-seismic-proportions/

It’s unlikely that American oligarchs will get concerned about the dangers of an abrupt increase in seismic activities it, but the people of the US can still listen to the words of reason voiced by seismologists, before it’s too late.

*https://journal-neo.org/2017/08/01/pentagon-enjoys-impunity-in-spite-of-the-rapidly-mounting-civilian-death-toll/

Somehow most of us grew accustomed to various media sources reporting horrific crimes against civilians committed by US servicemen in various regions of the world on the daily basis. https://journal-neo.org/2017/08/01/pentagon-enjoys-impunity-in-spite-of-the-rapidly-mounting-civilian-death-toll/

You are an /r/politics prolific user, that subreddit is as bad as TMOR, all you lot do is push the nonsensical Russia hacked our election nonsense.

so we arent allowed to frequent other subs at all?

then wtf is the point of a site like reddit? I venture out into multiple places rather than isolate myself with just opinions i like.

Of course you are allowed to post where ever you want, I am pointing out the fact /r/politics is a disgusting subreddit, full of propaganda and outright lies, perpetuated by anti-Americans like yourself.

Im sorry but I dont follow the logic of commenting in politics = anti-american.

If anything I think one of the key aspects of being an american is to engage in political discourse.

I also do not appreciate the blatant attack.

They are a proper sad bunch of losers.

Lol. You even put this in contest mode cause you're that triggered.

Make it - 101. Quit your crying over a shitty biased OPINION.

r/TopMindsofReddit = JIDF

They willingly wear the star over there. You have to wonder about people like that and what's to be done with them.

TMOR are far more Globalist than Zionist, they are against Trump for example. The JIDF are more likely involved with The Donald, and they were previously involved with Conspiritard, until they came up with their plan to make use of conspiracy communities.

I do not make a distinction between Globalists and Zionists. See them in the same raccoon traps too many times.

Currently they are not getting on very well, the split is getting very big. In the past they've tried to get on, there are some people who switch between the two sides, historically the sides have cooperated on a lot of things e.g. 9/11 and the recent attempts for regime change in Syria.

More info

https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/61kzli/the_war_is_at_the_top_the_globalists_and_zionists/

I count on them to tear each other down. You can set your watch to it.

It really is fascinating what's going on, they live in mostly the same countries, so they cannot nuke each other, instead they leak information about each other mostly and write propaganda. Assassinations are dangerous as that means you get the same back from the highly dangerous opposition, but the stakes are rising all the time, so unless they come to a deal this will get very nasty. The deal the Zionists want is that the UN leaves Israel alone, doesn't criticize, allows them to get away with whatever they want. The Globalists don't want this, as then the Muslim world will not respect the UN's authority, so the Globalists want to be fairly tough with Israel so as the Islamic world will be happy with the new Globalist UN world government.

Fair enough, although I think the Globalist are more pro-Israel than you think.

They are definitely pro Isreal as you say, they just want to tell off Israel a bit purely to gain power over the Islamic world, but Israel don’t accept any kind of humiliation like that, they see themselves as top of the food chain, UN is for control of others not them.

Wilbur Ross is Rothschild associated and is tied to Trump over a 30 year period, not buying it. Globalists is an Alex Jones phrase. But I do hope there is a patriotic deep state looking out for America.

Palestinian hate subs, Islam hate subs, Communist subs and Felching subs.

...and felching subs?

Felching subs, pussyfart subs and child crossdressing subs.

Felching subs, vaginal cheese on crackers subs, Cross-dress your kids for fun subs.

Yep. Sure reeks of those JIDF fucksticks for sure.

Another post about how you are a victim because people don't agree with you... come on. You get downvoted a lot because you are pushing a super obvious agenda and are always making post like this whining about people disagreeing with you.

You come off as just as obsessed with TMOR as they are with this sub. They are trying to get under your skin, and users here do the same to TMOR. What is the point?

If I were an admin, I wouldn't do much either. You create the drama. This sub Im sure is a PITA for the admins because of all the reports and complaints it generates. I complained about the mods of this sub before the big shakeup, Im sure people are still complaining.

And further, while its allowed, you are pretty active in submitting content to this sub. You are going to be scrutinized heavily when you do that. There are ways around it, but you seem to be very stubborn.

We get banned from r/conspiracy if we go to TMOR and harass them. We also get banned from TMOR. Why can't we do the same? TMOR is a shill shop and their behavior is detrimental to this sub and all of Reddit. I've experienced the same shit as OP plus many threatening PM's. Most of us have taken measures to stop the cyber stalking but the harassment and spamming continues. Nothing in this sub is organic. Why ignore it?

Stubborn is good in this case.

They are effecting the type of material we'd see on the frontpage. reddit admins aren't steppin in and banning that entire sub. Its obvioulsy what the admins want, to see a bunch of racists downvoted into oblivion.

Im a native american who thinks water rights are more important than hollering "black lives matter" because all lives matter.

Btw the democrats wanna use identity politics to gerrymander districts, they dont actually give one flying fuck about black youth - they'd have legalised weed under obama if they did, as it stands the democrats are COMPLETELY fine with black youth bumping into out of control officers/judges.

Tmor likes to go ahead swatting racists on the heads but it the same damn thread you'll see TMOR swatting down the opinions of colored folk because "that is not factually correct, you should get a better education".

Mofoker don't ya'll understand that this is by design ,so I say, tmor are the biggest group of racists on reddit, they are so smug they cant detect it.

Some of the people screaming Racists! the loudest are ironically racist themselves. If someone thinks it's impossible to be racist against a white person, that ironically makes them a racist. The definition of racism is

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

How can one say "it's impossible to be racist against a white person" if they don't assume whites to be the superior race in the first place? I just find it ironic. They also see racism in everything even where it isn't.

You come off as just as obsessed with TMOR as they are with this sub.

No.

You create the drama.

No, we don't brigade r/topminds, they brigade us.

There are ways around it, but you seem to be very stubborn

No. And this is transparent psychological warfare strategy, trying to gaslight and wear down the senior moderator so he will resign or stop exposing what r/topminds is doing.

You sound like a dishonest, manipulative psychopath.

You come off as just as obsessed with TMOR

Funny how being gangstalked by TMOR will do that to ya, innit?

Funny how giving them more attention doesn't fix the problem.

I agree. They should be banned, but somebody wants blanket contest mode.

The small minds of reddit brigaded your post. Thank-you for bringing attention to that pathetic sub. They deserve it.

Multiple points I've got here. Please read with an open mind that this is how I and I'm sure many other people see this sub and you. This is not an attack on the sub or even you.

You've made many enemies by banning people for no reason other than you having the power to do so. People get banned after "many warnings" yet the person says they've never received one before. Silently removing posts isn't a warning, yet you treat it as one.

When topics don't go the way you think they should, they get put in contest mode after being up half a day. This one was put in after an hour, I can only guess it's cause it wasn't going how you wanted it to. For a sub that has the statement of

"This is a forum for free thinking and discussing issues which have captured the public’s imagination. Please respect other views and opinions, and keep an open mind. Our goals are a fairer, more transparent world and a better future for everyone."

contest mode sure does go against that. You've seen it time and time again. Once put in contest mode after being up for multiple hours, the discussion turns to that and a conspiracy forms against the mods. It hijacks any discussion.

And "respect other views and opinions" is, well, that never happens here. It is literally one side vs another now. Both sides are to blame as they feed off each other and blindly support those who say what they want to believe.

You obviously get attack for your views and opinions, but you also take it out on others for their views and opinions and many times it leads to you banning the person. Making topics like this, actually multiple topics like this, only encourages that behavior from those who don't agree with you. You are admitting they are getting to you and each time they see a post like this from you, it feeds them to do more. You got downvoted. So what? Really who cares? And being head mod, you should be the one with the thick skin. I know it happens daily, but that's part of what being a mod does in any sub that has thousands of users.

Of course this submission got targeted. You called them out. Why would anyone expect them to not respond the way we know they do for this submission especially? This topic should have been put in contest mode on submission.

You've let many users stay on for things that others would be banned for after one or two warnings and it appears that is cause they agree with you on various conspiracies so they're allowed to stay on.

Almost daily you can go onto the mod log page and see multiple posts by flytape being removed after calling people fuck heads, cunts and just blatant abuse cause he knows he wont be banned by you. Coyote has been warned numerous times and a few bans of multiple days. Yet he is always welcomed back. I must admit though, he seems to have got a little better lately, at least I'm not noticing him as much anymore. This is probably why there is the feeling by many that he is your or some other mods alt. Cause he is allowed to stay while doing the same things other get banned for. If I wanted to spend the time I could name off many more users that appear the rules don't apply to them. All cause they agree with you on things.

A shill is not anyone who doesn't agree with you or believes a conspiracy that you don't, yet that is the definition this sub runs on.

Blame is on all sides. TMOR, TD, legit people here for conspiracies, and mods. With 575,000 accounts subscribed here (prob a hundred thousand banned lol) there WILL be opposing views and it honestly seems like most people here can not fathom that and expect everyone to be on the same page as them. That's what happens with any sub once so many people subscribe. Either it turns into bitchfest or a giant circlejerk about everything. This is why the fault can't be placed on one group.

Would you rather have people with opposing views or an echo chamber like politics? If you'd rather have opposing views then you need to accept that and really that seems like something this sub can not handle.

and that was way too much

There isn't blame on all sides though. This place was fine for many years. TMOR harasses mods and users, and brigades topics. It's easy to see from voting. Look at the story about the dude that tried to breach the Clinton Foundation. Top comments were all hijacked to paint him as a "conspiracy nutjob", and you get downvoted for mentioning the Clinton Foundation at all.

And for every TMOR example you can find, there can be a counter example of TD stuff here too. Look at anything Trump related and half the comments are people calling others shills if they believe it. How does that help anything or stick to the sub statement on the side bar about free thinking, discussions that have captured the public's imagination, respecting others opinion and keeping an open mind?

Look at Coyotes submissions. 9 out of 10 times they are cross posted from TD within a couple hours of them being posted there. This is easily spotted by the "other discussions" tab.

Then you had flytape as a mod here and inviting TD users to come to this sub

Blame is on all sides. TMOR, TD and the mods.

Never had a single TD person belittle me. And TMOR does it on non-political posts as well. Completely different.

TD don't belittle YOU. I guess that means they don't exist here then, huh? Maybe they don't belittle you cause you post stuff they agree with? Do you think TMOR belittle people they agree with or disagree with? Look at submissions that are about Trump. Many times the comments that are from people who are calling the people who believe it shills also have comments in the TD sub.

No, they've said things about me that were completely false and in non-political threads. TD DOESN'T DO THAT. They don't make up threads about other people. And I don't care for TD either, btw. Just that TMOR goes outta the way (and out of bounds) for fun, supposedly.

Just cause TD doesn't do the same as TMOR means they aren't part of the problem? I guess calling people shills and stuff like that perfectly fine and creates well thought out discussions. Do you not realize that problems can come in many forms?

Also, TD doesn't have entire posts dedicated to insulting people on conspiracy, do they?

Must mean TD people aren't here cause they don't do exactly like TMOR does, right?

Not exactly, as I stated twice now.

You stated based on yourself, not the sub. Your example size is 1 based out of thousands. Try taking a look at the sub as a whole and not just yourself.

I have, and I've been here longer than most mods. And TMOR extends well beyond my instances. So yes, the whole sub.

I am not T_D but I call out shills too. They are real, you know.

Shills aren't just the side of TMOR you know.

Still overlooking all that I've said though. TMOR does more beyond simple shilling. If it's that big of problem, do all threads contest mode. I'm down.

And you're still overlooking TD cause they don't do exactly like TMOR.

I'm not "overlooking" them; they are far less worse. They do not harass people even close to the same way. Keep contest mode then...do you have a problem with that?

I don't have a problem with contest mode if that is what they set everything to or set the submission to once it is made. Coming back hours later cause the submission isn't going the way the mods want and then setting it to contest mode is pure childish. Literally not getting their way so they do what they can do stop it.

So is there blame on TD or not? If you don't recall you initially replied to me saying there isn't blame on all sides and called out TMOR without mentioning TD

Yeah, TMOR is THE big problem. You said USERS were a problem, too.

I did mention TD, multiple times now. They don't harass the same. Bye.

I'd quit too since you keep getting confused on what you're saying.

Where am I confused, jackass? TMOR is the BIG problem.

more than one group can be part of the problem jackass

But you didn't point out how I was confused. Later.

You don't have to be much of a critical thinker to realize there is some natural overlap between TD and conspiracy. TD was practically started on conspiracies.They are here in high numbers probably but they aren't disruptive to productive conversation because they are actually here to engage, and that is the difference.

They are only here to engage when it comes to protecting Trump or bashing Clinton. No they aren't like TMOR where they attack every subject, but that doesn't mean they aren't a cancer spot on the sub either.

Exactly. Also, there's no "natural overlap" between TD and conspiracy. I would argue that it should be a conflict because worshipping the president means overlooking how most people in power in government are corrupt or in on some deep shit.

Look at anything Trump related and half the comments are people calling others shills if they believe it

Example of a comment like this that isn't downvoted to oblivion

This comment is nothing but lies and gaslighting using standard talking points of the brigaders and shills. You disgust me for saying something like this to try to undermine the sanity of another human being in the hopes of wearing down their resolve to resist your propaganda on behalf of a military industrial complex that kills millions of people each year.

Have you no soul?

"I don't believe it. It must be lies and gaslighting then!"

Exact issue with this sub. If someone doesn't agree with what another person is saying, IT MUST BE LIES!

Do you not realize you just provided an exact example of what I'm talking about that you magically don't believe exists here?

your propaganda on behalf of a military industrial complex that kills millions of people each year.

Where the fuck did that come from? Hit a little nerve?

"I don't believe it. It must be lies and gaslighting then!"

"I don't like that you accurately stated that I am lying and gaslighting! Must return to talking points and call you paranoid, not everyone who disagrees is a shill, REEEEEEEEE!!!"

Exact issue with this sub

Then leave. No one here agrees with your stupid comments and you contribute nothing but toxicity and lies. You're not even good at this. Seriously, come up with better drivel than this:

Blame is on all sides. TMOR, TD and the mods.

Glaring, blatant, obvious manipulation by someone who does not belong in r/conspiracy. You're not nearly as clever as you think. I've already wasted enough time with this low-rent bullshit. Blocked, you pitiful creature.

REEEEEEEEE

No comment. You showed your true colors with that alone.

Then leave.

Yup. Wants the echo chamber I called out. Would love for this to turn into a sub like politics I guess.

Blocked

Oh good. Don't need to worry about you replying to me with your bullshit anymore. It's like you think I'd be mad that you blocked me lol

Removed. Rule 10

This person's got it fucking right. Thank you, kind stranger.

Honestly im an outsider I just come to laugh at the more insane things. Most of which is caused by axolotl_peyotl/flytape If you got rid of him and his gang of friends respect for this sub would go way up, but instead you got a guy who stickies anti vax, and is extremely pro trump to the point have disrupting any anti trump things. One of the biggest reasons people come to laugh at this sub is flytape and his vaping bird mask.

How many of TMOR's mods are alts of the creator of https://www.reddit.com/r/axolotl_peyotlwatch/ ?

What the fuck man. I've had my name posted on TMOR and love giving their dumb ass army shit on a regular. What pisses me off is that we get suspended and even banned on r/conspiracy if we post on TMOR. That doesn't make sense to me.

https://www.reddit.com/r/axolotl_peyotlwatch/

Pretty sure that's a joke, considering a) it's empty and b) the only moderate is /r/AssuredlyAThrowAway, a mod here and friend of Ax's (presumably)

He's the infiltrator that r/conspiratard worked for years to get on the mod team here.

I think that's a plausible false-flag conspiracy, tbh

Are you suggesting that someone else created that sub using his name?

I don't know?! whichever way it might have went down, it's a fascinating theory.

That is messed up.

You can fairly smell the congential IBS in TopMIndsofRddit right now. Have a sniff.

hehe they poopie! got 'em!

Can I ask you a question? Is there a proper blessing for the Tsar?

im not clickin. i've already fallen for the trump degenerate rickroll-a-rooni far too many times.

Do you know why you hate Putin?

i have pretty solid reasons for not trusting putin, yes. i guess a good starting point would be how he brutally quells all dissent and blatantly subverted Russia's attempt at democracy by ending term limits. Both of those are major pillars of American democracy, and indicate that he governs from the top down rather than the bottom up. Russia listens to Putin, Putin does not listen to Russia. Could not be farther from American, so the real question here is why do you trust him so much?

What has he done for the USA that gives him such a great standing over even our own damn allies, besides successfully make our president jealous of his power? Are you even american in the first place, so that you would even know what makes the US distinct from the ex-USSR?

Why should Russia be a democracy? And why do you care. The reason I ask is that I prove in my subs there's a pretty fairly huge campaign of Jewish Russophobia in American and the World. I'm just trying to wake as many gentiles as I can about it. The truth of the matter is that Americans didn't truly have a problem with Russia until Russia came down to help Assad in Sept. 2015. I can show you all the American Jewish Journalists that went apeshit. American didn't have a rabid Russophobia problem until the morning after Hilary Lost.

TL:DR RussiaGate is a Zionist Jewish tantrum because Russia is the check on Israel

what are you talking about? we've had a problem with the USSR for decades, and after it's fall Putin himself managed to destroy our attempts at true alliance. He leads the largest propaganda campaign on earth, and you're so caught up in it that you probably don't even believe it exists. Why don't you travel to crimea and see what happens after you say something critical of Putin.

Go try it, tell me how it goes. I can guarantee you wont have a very american expreience, and that lack of freedom is why reasonable americans want nothing to do with them. regardless of how much their voice is drowned out by Trump and his minority of loyal demogogues, that will never stop being the difference between putin's soviet-dreaming Russia and the freedom of the US of A

As an American, Crimea is none of your business and also none of mine. It is solidly in the Russian sphere. You're being told by Media that Crimea is your business. It's not. What is the logical conclusion to alienating Russia? The USSR has nothing to do with today's Russia. All the communists went to Israel. Russia should be a partner but the fact of the matter is that every single sanction on Russian was pushed by the Jewish Lobby, period. Russia hate is being pushed on you. I'm not overly fond of Russia either, but I hate the people pushing Russia on us.

Please wake up.

I don't care about the crimean conflict, you dolt. You gleefully missed my point. I care about Russian treatment of the people. Again, go and try to accomplish one of America's traditional inalienable rights: the right to protest.

Go hold up a sign with Putin's head in crosshairs, just for fun. Tell me how you would guage the level of freedom you have there while you're sitting in a jail cell with two black eyes and no possibility for respite.

do you know what that type of treatment of people does to a society? in America it's called a chilling effect, and it stifles free speech among a community-- the core thing that America believes in. it's what all americans believe in above all else, and Putin has no regard for it whatsoever.

THAT is why I don't trust him-- there's nothing you can say that will change these facts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRdfX7ut8gw

You sound young and untraveled. The word is provincial. You're not at a point in your life to know the geopolitical reasons you're made to hate Russia. Because you sure as hell have never been there. Everything you know about Russia and Islamic countries for that matter is brought to your eyeballs by dishonest people.

Why do you feel that your opinion means anything to me? You seem like one of those who live to lick Putin's boots, what possible other opinion would you have when saying anything else leads you to the Gulag?

If you don't like my opinion: welcome to America baby!

Exactly.

I thought you liked America? We love disagreement here, why don't you? Is this your first time arguing with a free man? Is that why you're so mad?

So, how do you feel about Islam? Check out my subs.

the same way i feel about most religions: the extremists who take religion too literally are fucking crazy. nobody would put on a suicide vest if they saw books like the Quran or Bible figuratively as a work of fiction intended to instill certain cultural morals in people.

religion as I see it is meant to supplement life, not control it entirely. the majority of people on the planet seem to understand this, but as with everything it seems there always must be people who miss the point and take it far past the point that made it good in the first place.

does that answer your question?

Well then there's still hope for you. But if Hillary had won the Presidency we'd be in an Iran War right now. 100%.

maybe you're right. but right now with Trump we're having a war in the middle of washington, DC. the fact is that 60% of the country did not vote for him and do not support much of what he's trying to do. i'm not saying that because he should have lost or something, or because I'm butthurt. I'm saying it because he refuses to even acknowledge that those people exist. i gave him a solid chance to do so, but he refused and shit on people like me. many tens of millions of us get home every evening expecting to see a critical take on the day's political events-- but Trump entirely disregards what we see and believe as "fake news". you know what, even if it is "fake" somehow, there's nothing American about disenfranchising people because you disagree with them. Even Obama catered a bit to people like Trump himself and those at Fox News, even though they often did nothing but spread blatant lies about the president. Now that Trump is in charge though, he's literally about to disassemble the justice department because he wants people to stop talking about something critical of him. He's a huge hypocrite and defines the idea of "do as i say not as I do". That is what I mainly have a problem with, regardless of the complaints I have with his individual decisions.

I understand your pain. But Russia Hate is bigger than Trump and America. You don't have to be with Trump, but there are other choices than blue and red.

i saw someone make a distinction recently and i think it applies here. i have nothing but love for the russian people. my contempt is solely for our governments. The current conflict stemming from Putin's relationship with Trump, no matter how real or imagined it is, from my perspective has done nothing but brought division between my friends/family as well wrought fear and terror in the few Europeon friends I have. again, i'm leaving out my political opinions-- this is just my take as to how it has personally affected me. I just don't see the benefit in putting our relationship with the Russian govt ahead of all of our historical allies who aren't quite as cozy with Putin as Trump seems to be.

Followed this comment tree to say hell yeah brother. Im tired of having anti-Russia shoved down our throats as well. My personal life has been impacted by anti-russia propaganda significantly compared to Russian memes and hashtags. Just look how effective the anti-Russia propaganda is. It's ironic how the people that eat that up the most are always talking about how Putin is the propaganda master.

Yeah it's getting at the heart of human nature to know why a controversy more or less splits the populace. Some people callously use this to grim effect. Unfortunately we can't get past inverting our accusations almost in mirror images and projecting our inadequacies on the other. Be strong out there.

Exactly. Get back on Weinstein’s couch.

I love Weinstein's couch. He has a giant dildo built on it named Lenin's Bone

Sounds like you need a safe space, snowflake.

Meh, i read about that study that tmor users had goin on, intellectual pedants lol.

They'd do well to read platos allegory of the cave, but alas, vox never did a fact check so platos allegory is probably fake news. Keeek.

Hey r/iamverysmart - check out this dude bragging about reading some state school PHIL 101 shit.

The battle between the white lodge and the black lodge continues into the aether.

Ban all top mongs.

Anyone who posts on that sub ban them.

I know what your going to say. Free speech, are you scared of debate,muh censorship etc.

I don’t care. I don’t care if they think we are scared to debate them or that they think we are snowflakes or whatever ever. Just ban them . They contribute nothing to this sub so fuck them.

Top mongs of reddit.

If you are going to remove all dissenting opinions, why not just lock comments from the beginning? This is pathetic.

I don't like meta drama but I like data.

I decided to take a look and do a similar analysis I did for /The_Donald

I'm still gathering data but preliminary results:

1. Users from /TopMindsOfReddit account for less than 4% of comments on /conspiracy from the last 3 years. It's been around 2% (per day) for the last few months.

2. There's been a significant increase in the average comment scores of TMOR users compared to everyone else, with a large surge in December. https://i.imgur.com/8Y81nkp.png

Faults with this analysis:

1. People using alts
2. "Regular" /conspiracy users who go to TMOR to post and are upvoted often. I defined a "TMOR user" as an account with a minimum of 5 posts and 10 karma in that subreddit. *** I'm still collecting data. If you have any requests, let me know.

What was the similar analysis for T_D?

Got the numbers for t_d?

I have an older report pinned on my profile. I can update the numbers when I get back to a PC

You know what a sock puppet is?

yes I believe so.

a false online identity, typically created by a person or group in order to promote their own opinions or views.

Too bad moderators couldn't make subbing a requirement to vote in this sub - subbing r/conspiracy is a big no-no for TMORs.

Something about a sticky thread re: TMOR stuck at 0 votes makes me chuckle. Golly like that's not obvious...

Top. Minds.

Lmao I was thinking the same thing. Way to totally prove his point.

This post was literally at 1 Karma when I saw it.

Zero for me.

It's weird. Almost as if op is right. Conspiracy users wouldn't down vote this. It's something we've all been aware of for years.

Please take the opportunity to provide your stories/evidence of this egregious and manipulative behavior.

I have had my comments deleted before. I'm not even sure which rule they broke, because every time I message the mods to get clarification, they ignore my appeals. One of the mods has a giant chip on his shoulder and constantly stickies his own posts, puts threads in contest mode, and marks legitimate news as "Unverified," but lets bullshit 4chan LARPS proliferate. It's really disappointing that they silence free speech, especially when they profess to be "a forum for free thinking"

Oh shit, we're talking about TMOR? Nevermind, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to insult TPTB. Please don't ban me peyote! Muh emails! Muh Russia! See, I can be a good boy!

/r/topmindsofreddit and /r/the_donald both.

Pretty crazy how downvoted this thread is lol

Ive never seen a thread on the donald that links to this sub and suggests that people should come here to cause trouble. EVER.

That, in contrast to the very purpose of TMOR existing.

There are a LOT of subscribers on the donald and many of them participate their views here. That does not constitute a brigade.

Ive never seen a thread on the donald that links to this sub and suggests that people should come here to cause trouble. EVER.

Yeah, the Trump folks who push their political agenda here usually seem to be trying to productively add to the discussion. Even when they're pushing for terrible things I hate, at least it seems like they're intending to do good. They're not the ones that go out of their way to try to disrupt the community with toxic behavior.

Uh uh mean old trumpie said something I dont like!

Muh brigades!

Muh political agenda!

Muh toxic behavior!

Get a life dude.

Source?

Why would r/the_donald downvote here?

They don’t because this sub has differing views and they don’t mind that outside of r/the_donald.

Don’t just go shitting on thread you don’t like because that’s the same behavior your condemning.

Jesus man..tighten up your aluminum hat and man up..

Best comment.

they took some of my post content, spun it out of context and misinterpreted obvious meanings, nd then proceeded with general defend the stus quo unquestionably.

When I commented to calrify meaning, they stopped.

I think we should elimitate vote tallys. Meaning, we can still up vote and downvote, but only thread score should be visible. I think individual comments score should be hidden. I just think we are more about gathering information than who's got a cooler answer and by how much.

I agree. Having the scores hidden on this sub would be beneficial

That would make it harder to spot who is using vote bots in the comments section.

No it wont. Like stated in OP. When you see a satirical comment hitting the top, bingo. It is your job to read and deduce for yourself. No amount of up votes makes something the ultimate truth.

Who views by top?

Gawddamnit, as much as I hate this idea, I support a 3 month policy of this.

Par for the course.

Lots of people will dismiss this because they don't understand statistics, and they think that 100 people could just show up randomly, when the normal number would only be 4-5 upvotes or downvotes on comments at that point.

They don't understand that a variance of 20 times the normal expected value is, on its own, statistical proof of probably trillions to one against.

When you see weird vote totals on reddit, especially r/conspiracy which is the 2nd most manipulated sub besides r/politics, it is usually not a result of random chance. It is usually vote bots or admins themselves outright changing the votes.

Yep. Having worked in social media marketing, that is by far the best way to know if votes are manipulated.

The new Submission Statement requirement is being used by many to harass and brigade r/conspiracy comments and commentors.

So says a spammer.

Wish /u/theghostofdusty wasn't run off.

Ahem... I may in fact be banned for this post, but I will make it anyway since the moderators here seem beat down.

You banned me, a long time poster here, for calling someone a shill. Someone who was already breaking the rules. I guess they reported me but I didn't report them so I was banned permanently even though it says usually a warning will be given. I've never posted here since until now. Now here we are, months later, mods are quitting, head mods are complaining about unfair behavior, harassment, and so on.

How about you stop banning your regular years old users for calling out the people you're complaining about? I mean, what the fuck? Honestly? You ban people and invite the shills and trolls in then complain that the community is a pile of shit being made fun of by all the shills and trolls elsewhere on Reddit who run freely.

How about you DM me, unban my main account, change rule 10 to allow us to insult each other, and we'll take care of it. I drive these fuckers wild and work for free but you ban me then I watch as more mods post about how much these trolls/shills are ruining the board.

If you're tired of being brigaded stop creating a board full of shills who laugh in your face. I can't even tell you the number of times I've wanted to respond here, remembered I'm banned, and walked way to watch a thread get ruined and derailed. Feel free to look at my comment history, 1 year ago, lets get SH fired for being a piece of shit who edits users posts, 2 months ago, conspiracy is rigged now and the NSL is gone. Nothing has changed except more people are discussing things off Reddit now and more trolls/shills are moving here to commiserate.

That is my story of this egregious and manipulative behavior. You encourage it and now denounce it. You wonder where the admins are that you likely try to please so they won't ban you when others won't play fair. The whole fucking site is rigged, its a government sponsored propaganda outlet. The NSL canary is GONE. Is this not a conspiracy board? This might as well be a well recognized fact at this point. Reddit is run by PR outlets, government agencies, and profit seeking executives who want to turn it into Facebook. You're not welcome here anymore, wake the fuck up. You obviously know this given the admins lack of action. Were you not here when subreddits were banned but ShitRedditSays was allowed to stay? TMOR is just SRS. Its all the same people and the same agenda, to drive non-commercial friendly users off the site with administrator assistance.

The mods here are almost unanimously corrupt or completely inept. Both are inexcusable and the vast majority should step down. I've been in favor of purging the mod team since before the elections. The only issue is finding able (and willing) people to mod quickly enough to end the power vacuum before total chaos ensues, but I don't think that will be hard to do. Whoever/whatever is the true guiding force behind the moderation team of one of the largest conspiracy forums on the surface web, we can only assume that its enemy is transparency and its aim is to suppress the flow of information and free speech.

I'd love to know who the mods are and what they do, who they work for, and how they became mods. I bet it would be eye opening.

I was shocked at the last mod election, where they used an "algorithm" to choose the winners rather than upvotes on the nomination post.

Isn't shill calling banned in the sub rules?

see a bad rule break it. see a bad banning make a new name. but this won't go thru cuz I gotta wait a week

If you're tired of being brigaded

Stop enabling his bullshit. He clearly doesn't know the definition of 'brigading' despite being a mod.

Brigading is a 'coordinated' effort. Simply posting a link doesn't count as brigading. You have to actually encourage people to follow it and vote.

That doesn't happen on TMOR, yet over and over this individual cries like a frightened child every time one of his insane posts -- the last one a piece of propaganda directly from a Russian-government owned website -- is voted down.

?? What are you talking about? The entire existence of TMOR is to post links to this and related subs and make fun of the users there.

What do you think the other users there are going to do? Twiddle their thumbs? No, they are going to come here and cause fucking trouble.

They openly admit to using alts and doing this shit.

Whether they'll do it isn't the fucking point. Brigading has a definition, like all rules.

Coming here because someone else posted a link doesn't meet it. Mass downvoting happens organically all the time; it's not the same as an organized campaign.

Have you been living under a rock? How many subs have been shut down and users banned for linking to posts in other subreddits? Why do you think the NP subdomain exists? Because the admins count such things as brigading. I don't think they give two shits what the actual definition is.

Because the admins count such things as brigading and have been known to selectively slam the ban hammer over it. I don't think they give two shits what the actual definition is.

The thread wasn't about bans, it was about his whining that his comments were being brigaded.... which they weren't. In the context of accuracy it pays to be accurate.

Who gives a shit if he bans people? It's a forum full of nut jobs we make fun of. None of us give a shit if we get banned dude.

So you're basically admitting that you come here to attack the sub and its users.

I come here to disagree with people with whom I disagree, the same as any other sub.

The fact that I almost never agree with anything on the sub says more about the inability of lunatics to source than anything else.

The fact that you've already called users "nut jobs" and "lunatics" betrays your contempt. You have no interest in discussion.

I don't go to the hard core feminism subs and call them all feminazis and argue with them.

You are proving OPs point.

It's not 'betraying' anything; it's direct. 'Betraying' suggests giving up something secret, by definition. I called them nuts and lunatics, which is openly contemptuous. But there's nothing in the rules of Reddit that says you have to like other posters.

I don't go to 'hard core feminism' subs because there's no such thing as "hard core feminism." Feminism by definition means you want women to have equal rights and opportunities as men. Most countries now enshrine that in labor law, so it's hardly 'hard core' anything.

The sheer fact that you think anyone attacking stupid ideas should be banned speaks for itself.

Yeah, well, get a life. If people want to talk about stupid ideas, who the fuck do you think you are to barge in and disrupt them?

You have zero problem telling people they shouldn't venture an opinion but you don't want me to "barge in and disrupt" your own.

Who the fuck am I? Free speech, baby. It exists in large part because of people who, coincidentally, weren't stupid, and it flourishes because it helps, coincidentally, to expose those who are.

As for who should barge in and oppose "stupid" as a concept? Everyone, you fucking idiot, that's part of the point of life, to improve as a species. Live longer, healthier, smarter. Get better.

If people hadn't intruded upon the stupid's conversations for the last 55,000 odd years we'd all be living in caves still, that's why.

And I'm within my right to think your behavior is in the domain of neckbeard virgin loser-dom and you should find a more productive hobby.

You comment regularly in a conspiracy forum and you think someone else should get a more productive hobby?

I frequent places where there is discussion I'm interested in reading about. Some of it is dumb, some of it is thought provoking. But in the end it exposes me to new ideas and sometimes gets me a perspective on things not found in mainstream outlets.

You on the other hand, only come here to ridicule people like an arrogant dickhead because you think you're somehow better.

Oh, there's no somehow about it.

lol ok

Watch out everybody, we got ourselves a genius over here.

Top Mind thinks it takes a genius to recognize the batshit insanity that shows up in conspiracy threads. Yikes.

You want to know what I find frightening? That people like you aren't even aware of your own arrogance and smug sense of superiority. The kind who are too self important to believe that you can be wrong.

You're the same kind of cancer that made fun of Tesla for conceiving of an AC generator when all the most prestigious schools taught only DC was possible.

Top Mind compares his support of bullshit conspiracy theories to Nikola Tesla's AC generator.

You’re not a critic. You’re a closed minded buffoon.

Ahhh... obviously you know this because I mock you. Real solid logic there, champ. So... what's my opinion on ... anything?

If I have a closed-mind, I must have indicated it to you somehow with a position. If I haven't, then you must be psychic.... or maybe just really, really stupid.

No it’s because you admit that you unilaterally condemn everything posted here as false and beneath your “intelligence” yet you admittedly refuse to actually consider any points of any discussions. You’re only here to call people morons and cause trouble. You’re either a fool or a shill and not worth any more of my time.

yet you admittedly refuse to actually consider any points of any discussions.

Where did I admit that?

Mocking them doesn't mean I haven't considered them. It's actually why I mock them. They're usually so absurd that anyone who reads basic news or the odd book would react the same, which is why it's such an echo chamber sub.

Have fun with your attempts at critical thinking. (Hint: it involves criticizing your own ideas, not assuming anyone else who does is just a troll).

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They finally banned me last night. Took about a year of shitposting there on the most lunatic of threads.

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I was banned about a month ago for accusing someone of shilling. I messaged the Mod asking why he didn't just DM and give me a warning. He said banning for accusing someone of shilling was at his discretion. He then proceeded to block me from being able to DM them.

How about you stop banning your regular years old users for calling out the people you're complaining about?

Solid advice. We stick around because we like the site, the community! Account age indicates whether someone cares about reddit.

I love a good conspiracy but I hate this sub. It’s all right-wing nonsense. If you post anything anti-trump you get banned.

lol What are you talking about? There's TONS of anti-Trump sentiment on this sub. Many people on this sub are non-partisan, myself included. The left/right paradigm is a farce.

What I'm hearing you actually say is, "Anything anti-left is automatically pro-right"...

...which is bullshit.

We can all hate both sides equally.

Pretty sure that once you are targeted, they go to your comment history and downvote every comment you’ve made as far back as they can.

I’ve had completely mundane comments on topics that have nothing to do with conspiracy downvoted.

I'm sure u/spez has a reason he's letting it happen /s

He's too busy buying takeout on the dark web

They need a new target after losing /u/polkadotgirl

The admins have to be in cahoots with them. They get away with complete site-wide violations.

Just shadowban subscribers . You already know they have no interest in legitimate discussion, if they did they could do it in the sub not a sub designed to attack users behind their back instead of actual dialogue.

Well that's maybe not the best idea. I almost subbed so I could keep aware of what theyre doing

These cowards harass me all of the time.

Suggestion:

You're a mod.

You should be spending your time banning TMOR types and leave it to the users to submit posts.

Period.

There has been absolutely no activity today in r/PalestineCircleJerk an Israeli hate sub when they were posting rock steady everyday their disgusting jokes. I gurantee those POS mods are wrapped up in the TopMinds reeeee.

Same on r/Israelsubredditwatch Crickets.

r/Conspiratard ditto

Question:

Is this, indeed, theatre being carried out to justify putting every thread in contest mode (which kills discussion and hides quality posts)?

Because it smells a bit like it.

Putting every thread in Contest Mode makes it even easier to shill/game.

I agree. I'm starting to suspect a "problem/reaction/solution" operation.

Exactly.

They probably have a forum behind authentication where coordinated brigades and downvotes are planned. Pretty simple to implement. The problem is in trusting the individuals. Or even one member does the dirty work and has a bot net interfere with a thread or comment.

Btw I just posted (rarely happens) here to conspiracy and its at a comfortable zero. Thats actually interesting to me because I dont know if a bot net is pinging this url and freezing it at zero by matching upvotes with downvotes ... or if no one gives a shit. If you think about it this is a more sneaky plot compared to suspiciously bringing a singke comment down to -100. Thats just stupid. A gigantic digital blip.

The information warfare is in effect

I dont know if a bot net is pinging this url and freezing it at zero by matching upvotes with downvotes ... or if no one gives a shit.

Are you amused or agree its sadly impossible to tell?

The post is at 109 now... Do you think the bots went to sleep?

No, but didn't realize since I didn't get any notifications to my inbox. After intaking thw new information (havent yet verified) it seems it just took a while for people to notice.

Yeah maybe people are downvoting your posts because they’re bad? quick look through your history and it seems to be mostly anti-vax bullshit and links to extremely biased pseudo-news sites.

The fact that you’re now abusing your mod privileges to sticky a post whining about your shitty posts isn’t helping your credibility.

You might get banned for that comment. He'll call it "mod harassment." It's been happening for a while. Good luck!

Yep. Or one of the other mods will do it for him.

Well, you happen to be posting in a fucking conspiracy forum where people want to talk about these things.

If you have a contribution to the discussion, for or against the topic, how about write up a well sourced rebuttal and make your argument?

Instead, you're in here calling everything bullshit and insulting people for their beliefs. From my perspective, you're a trash, useless contributor who can't reason beyond ad hominems and strawmen fallacies. How about just go somewhere else?

I’m sorry I hurt your feelings with my opinion. Maybe slither back to your safe space at the_dump?

Haha o u guys.

Good luck

Removed. Rule 10

Someone should create a sub for all the r/conspiracy meta bitching.

It's hilarious watching the insane right tear this sub apart

Oh man -100? Psshhh im sure ive got over 500 downvotes before

If you all want to hear my story, let me know.

Also, /r/conspiracyundone was started due to constantly being harassed by tmor.

I cant recall a post of yours I agreed with, but I also dont recall one that I didnt learn from. If someone is going to war with you they are also going to war with me. I honestly dont agree with you on anything except for the fact your right to disagree supercedes a group of children trying to stop you. Hang in there and know that even in people you may believe to be enemies are your friends when it counts, free speech is a fight worth winning, and I am with you.

fascinating watching the vote score of this post go up and down wildly all day long.

IMHO you are one of the few good remaining mods, and they know this. This is also why we keep seeing posts about how much "everyone misses the old r/conspiracy" and complaining about how we need new mods, etc. every fucking day.

Even when reddit sucks as much as it does, r/conspiracy is one of the few remaining places on the web where you can still talk about these things almost freely and (arguably) without censor. But, more importantly, r/conspiracy exposes A LOT of corruption (and not only in politics, e.g., pharma).

Corruption can't be easily dismissed as other conspiracies can. Corruption is a "conspiracy theory" without the "theory" part. It is fucking real. This is also why every goddamned day we see posts about "how political this sub has become". You stop talking about politics, you also stop talking about corruption. r/conspiracy is a threat because it discusses corruption, and this CAN make a difference in real life.

And if anyone thinks I'm exaggerating when I say that r/conspiracy is one of the "few" places of its kind, just take a look at the state of the Internet right now. Google is no longer a search engine, but a propaganda tool; search the wrong term and they'll send you to Snopes. How about the Youtube demonetization of alternative media and the "misterious" channel unsubscribing? Facebook telling you what you should and should not post, and deciding what "fake news" are. The mining of our collective data. Honestly I can only think of /pol/ and Voat anymore.

Sorry for the rant... Keep the good fight Axo, there aren't many places like this anymore.

Yeah, by sharing our knowledge here we could potentially even come up with ways of beating TPTB. That's the reason they do all they can to attack the sub. They also don't like the corruption going on behind the scenes to be exposed like you say.

My thought is this: r/conspiracy is heavily focused on political conspiracies this year BECAUSE there is so much corruption in politics being exposed currently. Like the floodgates have open, so many threads, so many players, so many angles. People that haven't previously been exposed conspiracy theories are finding it easier to believe because events are playing out in front of their eyes and it's undeniable.

Also, when there are updates on other theories we do discuss here in real time. Alien Disclosure, Bigfoot, Moth man, Antarctica, Flat Earth, Moon Landing, Ancient Aliens, Ancient Civilization, Climate Change..

Also a lot of regular posters on this sub get immediately downvoted to 0 on every post. I believe there is a conspiracy that they're on some sort of list. The list shows all regulars who never make posts that sound like below:

 "Totally...I agree, Drumpf is for real SATANHITLERSPAWN!!! Plans to kill us all undisputable hard science fact manmade global warming!! Nancy says he has Russians standing in the desert using blow dryers set to high heat! Thousands of Russians manmaking heat! Resssist!"

Don't believe me? Watch a regular post new then watch their votes immediately drop to 0 or lower, then maybe they might eventually climb up a little thanks to normal lurkers. But usually they'll never hit all thanks to constant brigade downvotes.

Also a lot of regular posters on this sub get immediately downvoted to 0 on every post. I believe there is a conspiracy that they're on some sort of list. The list shows all regulars who never make posts that sound like below:

"Totally...I agree, Drumpf is for real SATANHITLERSPAWN!!! Plans to kill us all using -(undisputable hard science fact)- manmade global warming!! Nancy says he has Russians standing in the desert using blow dryers set to high heat! Thousands of Russians manmaking heat! Resssist!"

_

Don't believe me? Watch a regular post new then watch their votes immediately drop to 0 or lower, then maybe they might eventually climb up a little thanks to normal lurkers. But usually they'll never hit all thanks to constant brigade downvotes.

"I, like many /r/conspiracy users and moderators, have been targeted by a cyberbully subreddit known as /r/TopMindsOfReddit." - https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7lcujj/targetted_harassment/

"This headline (and submission*) is a parody of a current top r/TopMindsOfReddit submission. I would never "troll" a subreddit for 3 years because I am not a complete and utter failure of a human being." - https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/71qi7q/what_i_learned_from_trolling_rtopmindsofreddit/

"Proof of targeted harassment by TopMindsOfReddit." - https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7kq00w/proof_of_targeted_harassment_by_topmindsofreddit/

"[META] Users who participate in /r/TopMindsOfReddit and /r/Conspiracy" - https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/71ev3p/meta_users_who_participate_in_rtopmindsofreddit/

I downvoted your submission because your post seems like it was written by the Kremlin. You seem as obsessed with being a Putin apologist, as CNN is with Trump/Russia. Putin has had dissidents killed. I'm not talking about Clinton body count killed, I'm talking about 98% evidence. Yet you find it important to post a news article making Putin seem like a hero of the people. Step away from reddit for a few days. Do some self reflection. Figure out why you are wasting time defending Russia. Ignore TMOR.

Can we please have a campaign here against thought policing???

that whole sub should have their accounts purged, the brigading has been left to go on far far too long.

Oh god. I went to check that sub out. It is just people bitching about conspiracy and T_D.

It's an extension of /r/TheMeltdown

As I said before

What if there isn't really much of a topminds brigade and you're at the point now where axo and other mods have banned so many legitimate users you have created a nascent rebellion with users pissed off at the blatant biases displayed? What if it's that?

That would also explain why the admins aren't crushing brigades, it's independent critics tired of the same old mod shenanigans.

What brings you to this conclusion? You could be right, but I hardly ever see anyone vocal about this sort of thing. I feel like if this was the case many more people would be screaming about this. Especially with the new rules put into place recently. Most people seem to be on board and want them to be even more strict.

Ban evasion is a site wide bannable offence, people don't want to risk their accounts.

Their mods are alts of these mods

supposedly

but any proof of that

They're fuckin vermin. But just imagine how far into their minds you've gotten that they care SO FUCKIN MUCH. They should be charging you rent.

I'm going to be real with you and I hope you take this as just me being honest since you brought it up, not a violation of rule 10.

I don't read TMOR, only ever think about it when it gets brought up here. And I refuse to downvote things I don't like as a matter of principle, I reserve that for things that actually serve to kill conversation.

But if I were the type of person that downvoted things I didn't like, I would downvote most everything I've ever read from you. Your posts make it sound like you are incredibly upset by perceived persecution but still somehow think your enemies (and it definitely seems like you see them as enemies) are not persecuted enough.

So maybe instead of making a giant stickied post about how a (TINY) sub is targeting you, maybe think about why you keep being targeted. If I had to guess, it would be because you are a mod that doesn't even bother with the illusion of impartiality. The entire reason I like this sub is because I fucking hate the political subs that have mods like that.

Just as a final postscript, don't take this as me accusing you of being anything in your real life. I know I personally keep whatever discussion I have on Reddit mostly out of my day-to-day interactions, and my personality here is not even close to my personality with family, friends or even strangers. I assume most people here do the same thing.

If there is organic disdain for the posts, bigrading wouldn't be necessary.

TMOR has zero credibility, as far as I am concerned. One of the Left's primary forms of psychological warfare is to attempt to use vindictive mockery in order to make their opponents feel ashamed of themselves. They've tried to do that to me on multiple occasions, and I've seen them do it to many others.

Try to ignore it, if you can. The sub is one of the Left's equivalents of /r/coontown. If there was genuine justice around here, TMOR would be shut down as well; but Reddit's bias is Left, just as Voat's/4chan's is Right.

Banning /user/TotesMessenger from this subreddit would help, as well; as it posts in here when threads have been crossposted to TMOR.

Please do not equate shills with "the left." Progressives like myself think shills are scum

Reality check: leftist shills exist.

Shills on this site are neoliberal corporatists. Hardly the left

Shills on this site are neoliberal corporatists, the left, the right, bots, big pharma, fucking coke and pepsi, they're everything

Mostly neoliberal corporatists - that includes big pharma, coke, Pepsi, amazing, what have you

I can promise you TMOR is some of the worst people on the internet. I would literally physical harm them if I had the chance

TMOR is some of the worst people on the internet

I would literally physical harm them if I had the chance

Please feel free to share. I’m sure they wouldn’t mind a little reciprocity.

Well just answer, are you a Putin supporter? Do you think Putin is out of the left-right paradigm?
I obviously don't buy in the whole russia meddling with elections cause it's fucking United States, this big countries don't get their elections rigged, they rig other elections, and I'm talking high level players because saying "Russia, Putin, USA..." is simplifying it to the point of ridicule.

Falling into the left right paradigm will sure lead us there...
Anyways, reddit is what it is.

I think all of y’all are working together to bring down this sub. And it’s working.

If you have to go to a subreddit that tells you you're a "top mind," intelligence and thinking is not your strong suit.

Lol the top minds are the users they make fun of.

ROFL thank you for explaining it to this top mind.

The blatant brigading of this thread should be all the evidence necessary to get TMOF shut down if the admins aren't biased shitstains - oh wait.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but some, if not all by default, admins are certainly in the pocket of whatever group is funding the narrative opposition control operation taking place in this sub. I say "by default" because it is likely this is coming down from Conde brass. Content control is probably the most important tool in a psychological manipulation operation. A media giant like the owners of this site is certainly part of the broader conspiracy of this type we know to exist.

It's very hard, though not impossible, to think outside the box and have your thinking be factually correct despite public knowledge, in such an environment.

The very fact this is going on is a HUGE sign that, at the very least, some of the exposition that has occurred here is indeed true!

Keep up the good work!

Doesn't this happen with every sub? It's the nature of anyplace where there is voting and even elections. Manipulation and brigading.

Sure wish you would get this upset about TD brigading this sub.

Apples and oranges really, and rather revealing that this inappropriate comparison keeps being made.

You posting history is full of such comparisons so please don't act like you are suddenly above the fray. And they used to link to threads directly and nothing was done. The rules should be enforced equally not only against those you dislike.

they used to link threads

in other words, they don't brigade anymore, if they ever did. You guys are actively brigading and acting uppity about it.

THANKS FOR PLAYING

Make the sub private by invite only if you're not willing to put in the work to fight opposition

It's not opposition. It's brigading to post links and bring hundreds of people to attack a post in another sub. TD doesn't brigade. It does that thing others are defending, which is participating in communities and commenting and voting how they please.

seems like 'opposition'

Participating in other subreddits is something you're allowed to do. You can browse and vote and comment. What's not allowed is posting links to posts and users with the assumption that people will follow the link and brigade.

When your sub posts links and hundreds of people follow them and vote, that's brigading. TD doesn't post links to anywhere. They aren't even allowed to say politics as a subreddit exists. When TD users use other subreddits as is their right as a user of reddit, they aren't following links and brigading. It's not a fucking brigade to browse other subreddits and have an unpopular opinion.

Your definition of opposition is equivalent with brigading, since it relies on links from your home subreddit.

I didn't define opposition, I just said if you're experiencing it then maybe make the sub private or make it like T_D where no one can vote unless they are subscribed.

You're replying to a comment chain about TD brigading. You said it's opposition what topmindsofreddit does, as opposed to what the TD does in this context.

OP wasn't talking about general participation. He's talking about the bullshit that subreddit does where they post links and brigade.

Then make your sub private. Problem solved.

Does anybody on here actually think TMOR are shills? Seems like that's what they think /conspiracy users think of them. I was under the assumption most of us thought they were just losers with overly enabled superiority complexes.

TM are fucking pussies that think they are smarter than they are. People that act like that on the internet are generally pathetic in real life, frustrating but they're wasting their time

I have seen this!!!!

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Keep fighting the good fight man. Thanks for being a great mod.

tmor is a circle-jerk in the other direction

I disregard 90% of what get's posted in this subreddit, and most of that special remaining 10% is entertaining rather than informational... but one can disregard tmor 100% of the time. It was a subreddit created to do exactly what this sticky says they're doing.

TMOR are the grandchildren of the NKVD

Its time to auto ban TMOR subscribed users from being able to vote/participate in this sub. I know that is technically against reddit rules, but its not enforced. If the mods of this sub care about it they'll do this and if the admins of reddit have a problem with it then perhaps they should just ban TMOR from reddit altogether. It's nothing more than another hate sub like the others that they've banned (fatpeoplehate, incels)

Why was this comment removed?

I think contest mode would be enough to make them bored here and go away. As they aren't interested in actual discussion and are just here to disrupt, if you take away their primary power, vote manipulation, they won't be able to disrupt and will get frustrated an leave eventually.

You are basically saying he is being rightfully silenced because he has right leaning posts/comments and has been accused of partisan moderating even though it is the brigading that is partisan, not the moderating.

Can that be automated?

I don't see any reason they couldn't script automod to do boththings.

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What the hell? Why would that mod care about the LV second shooter story?

That creeps me out.

/u/Moranall even had the audacity to message the /r/conspiracy mods yesterday calling for us to remove all posts on the 2nd "person of interest" in the Las Vegas shooting case.

Glad you mentioned my name. Here is literally what I sent to the modmail:

Again, we're back to doxxing with regard to the LV shooting. The judge unsealed some police documents which revealed a second person of interest, but I don't think this makes someone a "popular" person that can now be identified by the masses.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7u4nsn/second_person_of_interest_in_las_vegas_douglas/dthlpdl/
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7u4nsn/second_person_of_interest_in_las_vegas_douglas/dthq159/
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7u59ax/second_person_of_interest_identified_in_las_vegas/dthnxnu/

Is this something you really want on the sub? I get that you're conspiracy-minded individuals, but this is really towing a thin line.

I'm sorry I had the wherewithal to be concerned about the doxxing of what was, in my mind, a non-public figure. However, u/Balthanos replied:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/30/us/las-vegas-attack-paddock-shooting.html It's in a MSM article, no?

I was not aware of this article but the point was valid, so I conceded my point:

Ah, my apologies. I did not see that article nor was aware that the press was that far along. I guess that kind of kills my argument.

So where in that chain of messaging did I call for you to remove all posts on that? I literally called out the posts that were doxxing the second person of interest. And then backed down on my argument when presented with the news source.

The only one creating drama here is you. If you weren't posting about this incessantly, we wouldn't have material to work with.

I'll leave it I think some people need to read then a couple of times. But thanks for the heads up.

prove it?

Don't let those loons get you down. Stay focused and remember you have partners here.

1. Automatically ban anybody who has ever subscribes to or posts on TMoR, including any mods who have done so. Ban anybody who has commented there except to defend the sub (based on context).

I absolutely disagree with that, similar to how I’d disagree if anyone tried banning people who also post on politics or t_d. It’s fucking stupid and doesn’t solve anything, period.

So should the admins ban T_D for their constant harassment of spez?

Reddit only considers it harrasing when you ping users with insults or actually encourage sending people insults (on- or offplatform).
Same with briading, a sub has to actively encourage people to vote or comment in theads to be considered briading.

If the admins feel like the rules aren't enforced, most of the times they will contact the mods and tell them to cut their shit. But linking and moking people is allowed, otherwise most meta-subs and a whole bunch of other subs could be banned too.

I have basis to sound unfriendly. That sub was literally discussing my gender and calling me a pedophile in the last week. One of their (x?) mods was smacked down by admins for literally cyberstalking me.

My "hate" is genuinely vindicated.

They are everything they hate. They are the epitome of hypocrisy.

you really are a dumbass aren't you? Critical thinking apparently cannot occur in your brain.

Indifferent is probably the right word.

Go Lakers?

Can you explain why you have an opinion in a sub you don't contribute to?

There you have it .3 personal attacks in one post. That’s what top minds contributes to this sub. Personal attacks and insults.

Ban them all mods.

What was their reason for wanting "the 2nds person of interest in LV" post removed?

maybe you're right. but right now with Trump we're having a war in the middle of washington, DC. the fact is that 60% of the country did not vote for him and do not support much of what he's trying to do. i'm not saying that because he should have lost or something, or because I'm butthurt. I'm saying it because he refuses to even acknowledge that those people exist. i gave him a solid chance to do so, but he refused and shit on people like me. many tens of millions of us get home every evening expecting to see a critical take on the day's political events-- but Trump entirely disregards what we see and believe as "fake news". you know what, even if it is "fake" somehow, there's nothing American about disenfranchising people because you disagree with them. Even Obama catered a bit to people like Trump himself and those at Fox News, even though they often did nothing but spread blatant lies about the president. Now that Trump is in charge though, he's literally about to disassemble the justice department because he wants people to stop talking about something critical of him. He's a huge hypocrite and defines the idea of "do as i say not as I do". That is what I mainly have a problem with, regardless of the complaints I have with his individual decisions.

Call me crazy but I think ALL Admins should be rotated out ever 6 months-1 year

Put every post in contest mode for 48 hours.

Oh HELL nah. Contest mode KILLS discussion.

Contest mode is no good there's no way to sort the comments.

Seriously. Just have automod filter out accounts newer than 2 months and ban the trolls. I'm just some guy who bitches about the brigading. You can fix it.

Yeah, well, get a life. If people want to talk about stupid ideas, who the fuck do you think you are to barge in and disrupt them?

You comment regularly in a conspiracy forum and you think someone else should get a more productive hobby?

why is he doing this?

What do you know, the guy still doesn't believe that there's fish in the ocean even when he's given all the reasons why they are there.

It’s not a source that supports your claim.

Removed. Rule 10

Removed. Rule 4

I'm not "overlooking" them; they are far less worse. They do not harass people even close to the same way. Keep contest mode then...do you have a problem with that?

That's exactly what I said. I can't keep them from deleting their comments. You're not so stupid not to realize that, right?

Are you going to publish that in a scientific journal?