Because anything or anyone that doesn’t follow the ruling parties guidelines is a traitor.

If it sounds familiar, the same thing happens in the western world. We just don’t hear about it often.

Are you a bot?

Don’t think your stupid for asking a question mate.

It’s good to be inquisitive.👍

The CCP doesnt have a decent suppression system? You should google Great Firewall of China.

btw, anyone who uses TOR needs to thank falun gong. It was members of the movement that created it to get around the great firewall of china.

The Navy invented TOR.

Falun Gong are crazy anarchist that openly want to take down the ccp by force. They are treated as they should, terrorists. They also have deep pockets and fund media as well as "research" for them in the west. They are not good guys.

To add i absolutely see your point.

What point? That he's an authoritarian advocating for and defending the initiation of mass State violence against a loosely-identified group for their spiritual and political beliefs?

Falung Gong first and foremost pose a threat to the ruling Communist party because, through their philosophy (rooted in ancient Chinese knowledge) they liberate people from their fear and their dependence upon the nanny State.

They are not anarchists - they are simply not collectivists (as any self-respecting human should). They empower individuals, and thus represent a threat to the State religion (morbid materialism) and ideology (totalitarianism).

The reason you don't hear about the persecution of Falung Gong in the West is because our own governments are perfectly aligned with the ideology and ambitions of the CCP.

Sounds like Falung Gong is a CIA shill op?

https://thesanghakommune.org/2017/02/10/the-detrimental-health-effects-of-falun-gong-practice/

Not too sure about that source though

I have no difficulty believing the CIA has infiltrated them, as they inflitrate most/all groups and organizations in the world with any influence.

However I do not buy into the East vs. West "we were always at war with Eurasia" dichotomy. Mao was put in power by secret societies at Yale. China is not opposed to the Zio-Anglo empire and/or the NWO, they are part of the dialectic.

Therefore, insofar as Falung Gong is persecuted in China, and inasmuch that persecution is totally occulted in the West (rather than decried, which would be a sign of controlled opposition), I place them in the camp of the good guys.

Tai Chi and meditation are two things that publication was not referring to. It said practitioners follow neither traditional nor modern Chinese medicine. Sounds to me like those Christian sects who don’t believe in modern medicine.

believe in modern medicine

Nothing should be a matter of "belief" in my opinion. But to your point, the religion of modern pharmacology (especially for chronic ailments) does indeed involve a fair amount of belief.

Personally, I don't "believe" in anything, but I know individuals should not be persecuted, imprisoned or killed - especially when they themselves coerce no one.

Practice modern medicine is what I should have said. Sorry, didn’t think this was actually one of those conversations where I’d have to deal with a reply picking one sentence (let alone one word) of my comment to reply to and ignoring the actual point of it.

If these people break their arm they don’t have it set because it goes against their religion, or whatever they call it. This has little to do with belief, except that they don’t “believe” in science and science doesn’t care because their arm still won’t heal properly whether they believe it will or not.

reply picking one sentence (let alone one word) of my comment

Fair enough. Sorry about that. But I did address the main point; even if they have unorthodox/wrong ideas on health, that doesn't justify the persecution, beatings, and killings.

Indeed I think this idea of "they don't recognize medicine" is a pretext. They are a threat because they contest the morbid collectivism, and empower individuals.

Who's telling you the government is killing them? The study that "proves" the government was harvesting Falun Gong members organs was made by a guy paid to do so by the Falun Gong (he says so himself on his blog) . He didnt even have to step foot in China! Yet now the majority of people think Falun Gong are persecuted because of this. Falun Gong is nothing in China. There are many small religions and customs in China, it's just that Falun Gong openly wants to destroy the active government

Are you sure that isn't government propaganda? A government which by the way has history in violent suppression and the killing of tens of millions. Oh wait, no you're probably right; It's the group of people that practice exercise for compassion and peace of mind that most likely are the real crazy ones!! 👏👏

Practice exercise for compassion and peace of mind ... and don't take any medicine.... To be honest, people who buy it are just dumb, incapable of doing any serious things. Compared with ISIS or East Turkistan, barking is the only thing they can do.

1000% sure. There is no Falun Gong propaganda in China, no one gives a fuck about them.

Yeh, I was on falun gongs side until I met some of them, and then witnessed the Scientology-esque levels of harassment. Nut jobs.

So now you'd rather be on the side of the enlightened Chinese Communist party that persecutes and kills them?

Nope. Why would I have to side with either?

Because one of the two sides are tyrants and enemies of individual liberty.

And the other side is a bunch of harrassing, cultish, conspiring nutjobs, so I’ll side with neither thanks.

https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Friends_of_Falun_Gong_US_990_Forms,_2001-2006

US government appears to have given over 8 million dollars, possibly 10 million, to a religious sect banned in China to operate a global anti-Chinese PR compaigns leading up to the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20060806_1.htm

The Falun Gong representatives admitted that the evidence about the Sujiatun concentration camp was still inadequate, but they firmly believed that the Sujiatun concentration camp exists and that the report was truthful. They were in the process of going in to collect the relevant evidence. Their reasoning was this: the Chinese Communists is a brutal regime and capable of any brutality. Therefore, one should not doubt the Sujiatun affair. In order to prevent further massacre (supposedly another 2,000 people were going to have their organs extracted immediately), they publicized this affair and the purpose was to call for the attention of the international community to investigate and hence save lives

On April 8, the Falun Gong medium Renminbao published two articles, "Chaos at the senior level of National Security" and "The butcher Wu Hongda." The articles named me directly as interfering with the Sujiatun investigations. Therefore, I am the "butcher" and "National Security senior-level spy." The articles included my photograph.

Falun Gong is a cult that prevents their followers from seeking modern medicine (reminds you of anyone?) because apparently disease is karma.

This is Chinese Communist propaganda.

To add i absolutely see your point.

But even if it were true, and even if you dislike their unorthodox ideas, does thst justify defending the initiation of mass State violence against a loosely-identified group for their spiritual and political beliefs?

Falung Gong first and foremost pose a threat to the ruling Communist party because, through their philosophy (rooted in ancient Chinese knowledge) they liberate people from their fear and their dependence upon the nanny State.

Their biggest thought crime is that they are not collectivists (as any self-respecting human should). They empower individuals, and thus represent a threat to the State religion (morbid materialism) and ideology (totalitarianism).

The reason you don't hear about the persecution of Falung Gong in the West is because our own governments are perfectly aligned with the ideology and ambitions of the CCP.

This ^ is Chinese Communist propaganda.

Ah yes, because Wikileaks that cited leaked Form 990 from the US government, Chinese dissident Harry Wu Hongda, and the US State Department that called the Falun Gong organ harvesting claim on its bullshit is "Chinese Communist propaganda".

Falung Gong first and foremost poses a threat to the ruling Communist party because, through their philosophy (rooted in ancient Chinese knowledge) they liberate people from their fear and thus their dependence upon the nanny State.

No, it's a threat because it's a cult that grew too big for its britches and attempted to challenge the CCP, resulting in China cracking down and the cult founder fleeing to the US. Today, it's a US-funded propaganda mouthpiece that literally celebrates natural disasters in China as "bad karma".

The fact that the CCP is so threatened by a religious minority that makes up no more than 1-2% of the population says everything you need to know about its weakness and paranoia.

"Threatened", lol.

I think it's rather sad that US anti-China propaganda has to rely on a religious cult that thinks science is an alien conspiracy, David Copperfield can fly in real life, and mixed race children can't go to heaven.

The fact that the Western media believes this cult on their bullshit without any fact-checking or background check whatsoever just makes it twice as pathetic.

Yeah, I guess that's why they're imprisoned and they have to pay shills like you to discredit them on the internet even though 9/10 Westerns don't give a fuck about the Falun Gong (or anything having to do with your shitty country, tbqh). Because you're not threatened by them. Right.

Yawn, more ad hominem from the silly poster who is so angry for losing internet debates that he had to stalk me on reddit.

If you really want to have a serious conversation (I know you don't), you should try actually refuting the facts about the Falun Gong I wrote above. But hey, it's easier to shitpost than to admit inferiority in knowledge about subjects you feel so strongly about, right fam?

But even if it were wholly true, and even if you dislike their unorthodox ideas, does that justify defending the initiation of mass State violence against a loosely-identified group for their spiritual and political beliefs?

The Falun Gong promote violent uprising to take out the CCP. Are you defending initiation of religious mass violence against society and the state?

Falun Gong is a anti-china pr org like FreeTibet and so many others. Falun Gong is inexistant in China, you only hear about them in the west.

promote violent uprising

Promoting anything is not a crime in my book; especially the overthrow of a totalitarian government. Individuals have the natural right to express their opinions, whatever those may be. This “incitement” argument is tyrannical.

Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing Government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it. (Abraham Lincoln)

The ultimate authority resides in the people, and that if the federal government got too powerful and overstepped its authority, then the people would develop plans of resistance and resort to arms. (James Madison)

What country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. (Thomas Jefferson)

Tu es un tyran, mon cher choufleur.

Real life is calling:

Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or

Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction

As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.**

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 2, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 87–486, June 19, 1962, 76 Stat. 103; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

You just don't know what you're talking about.

These statutes embody tyranny, as many others in the USA.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. (Declaration of Independence, part 2).

Still, “promoting” anything is elementary, self-obvious freedom of expression. Falung Gong has never endorsed or claimed responsibility for violence against innocent civilians (that I know of).

I dont know why you quote me the declaration of independence if it doesnt apply to real life. In real life, you try that shit and you either disappear or you make the news. If they didnt, we'd have anarchy tomorrow. I would not even be against it, just stating why this is happening like this.

Also i dont know why you try to apply freedom of expression western values to Tibetans whom dont even have freedom of expression in their own feudal society.

Falun Gong is a more successful Chinese Scientology. The fact that the US government would actively fund a cult that kills/scams its followers by telling them not to take any modern medicine or donate all their life savings to the cult just shows you how low governments can go to achieve geopolitical objectives.

There is nothing sacred.

Normally I would never, ever post in this sub, but--

Everyone reading this comment should know that /u/Rice_22 is a well-known borderline shill for China. Just look at his post history.

Some highlights:

• Excusing China's occupation of Tibet.

• Excusing and defending the famine caused by Mao Zedong's ill-conceived "Great Leap Forward," which killed an estimated 30 to 55 million people.

• Going out of his way to discredit the Falun Gong, a religious group that the Chinese government suppresses, imprisons, and allegedly harvests organs from against their will to sell on the black market. Hey, whaddaya know, he's at it again!

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classic... someone doesn't swallow the same propaganda you ate for breakfast... and so now they are "borderline"... wise up! Try forming your own opinion and maybe you won't be so bothered by those who have.

I'm being downvoted for pointing out a literal shill in /r/conspiracy, you people are just too much

Dude, do you live in China? I did. I went to tibet. did a 3 days trip in hymalaya with a monk. I asked tibetans what they think of the situation. I even met people that crossed over to India to meet the dalai lama in Leh and Keylong.

The fact is, the vast majority appreciate having running water, electricity, sewers, other work than manual labor. Women are now allowed to get education and arent treated as cattle anymore. Do you even know what the fuck you're talking about? Even those i met in india were pissed that they left because now their life is worse and they cannot go back as they crossed illegally (at the demand of the dalai lama).

I've met tibetans that were sad their culture is eroding, but they werent angry at china for it because they see the benefits at the same time, especially for women.

Can you tell me what do you think about the goal of toppling the CCP with force by the falun gong? You think it's good? You think this should be encouraged in society? How is it in your country?

/u/Guildensternestein stalks me on the internet and claims I am a shill for beating him in debate and citing my sources. Why are you so mad? It's only an internet argument.

If you can't win a debate, call your opponent a brainwashed CCP wumao shill.

GURANTEED VICTORY

GUARANTEED VICTORY

Only in his mind. That's what sad about it.

lul

;)

why the government is attempting to suppress it's dissemination

The same reason USSR killed most religions, they want total control, anything that diminishes the state's control is bad.

I grew up in China, my close friend's mom almost died because her falun gong practicing husband didnt let her go to a doctor. Maybe it being a destructive cult has something to do with it.

And the other side is a bunch of harrassing, cultish, conspiring nutjobs, so I’ll side with neither thanks.

The majority of Tibetans want independence or autonomy from China. Also, nice Whataboutism.

You better get that source bud. I'll wait.

I'm sure Tibetans would've figured out running water and basic infrastructure whether or not they were occupied by China.

Sorry but they simply didnt. They didnt even have proper education system or hospitals. Tibetan society is feodal, if you're not the elite, you're garbage. So for MOST tibetans, the situation improved magnitudes. For the powerful tibetans though, they see their control erode. I suggest you open a book on how Tibetan society works traditionally. They're pretty much one of the worst sect of Buddhism when it comes to human rights.

Do you think suppressing non-majority religions and harvesting their organs is bad, you fucking shill?

As i explained in my comments. That research is paid for the falun gong and the guy who did the study did it from london. The author says so himself on his fucking blog. I bet you didn't even read that far because you're such an expert in falun gong.

I dare you to go to tibet and get your world perception crushed to pieces.

Again, I'm a fervent defender of cultures and i think it's really sad to see tibetan culture get eroded because of the massive influx of chinese migrants. I think many tibetans are sad to see their heritage go. But i really dont believe they hate the chinese for it. The old see their kids have happier, easier lives than they had and figure it isnt so bad after all. Side note: Funny in the west saying you are against massive influx of migrants makes you a racist, but it's MANDATORY for tibet or it's a human right violation and genocide!

your points were literally all whataboutism. i didnt think you actuall yexpected answers. i thought they were jokes.

GUARANTEED VICTORY

Only in his mind. That's what sad about it.