Is my phone reading my thoughts?
12 2018-02-19 by thegreatrhino05
This morning around 10 am, I was driving to my apartment after staying at another house with some friends. I remembered I had some cash inside my apartment I needed to deposit. I parked outside my apartment and quickly went inside grabbed my cash and then ran back into my car.
Side note: I just traded in for a new car that syncs with my phone via Bluetooth, and when I turn on my car they automatically sync. Since I’ve gotten my new car and I’m away from my apartment, I get an apple maps notification on my iPhone saying I’m “—“ miles from my apartment’s address. (Which I never entered into my phone in the first place.) However, I’ve never seen a notification on my phone when I’m leaving my apartment, or I’ve never noticed one at least.
So, when I got back into my car after getting the cash I got a notification saying I was two miles from a certain address. That address just so happens to belong to my bank.
Some extra info: I’m a valet at a hotel and frequently get tipped in cash which I have to deposit. I almost always deposit my cash at night, and today was a kind of spur of the moment decision.
Any ideas about how the hell my phone knew I was going to the bank??
34 comments
1 Lyra_Fairview 2018-02-19
Maybe your phone thinks your bank is your home address since you go there so often. Idk that's very weird, especially how it guessed you would be going to the bank next. I really don't have an explanation for you OP, all I know is that posts like yours are not the first.
1 charnelmessiah 2018-02-19
They do this by tracking every move you make and listening for keywords and names passively using your phone's mic. This data is uploaded to the cloud and assigned to your "profile". An algorithm analyzes your habits and patterns and things you do and talk about, websites you visit and predicts your interests and habits. Ever have something pop up in your Facebook feed that you swear you were talking about earlier? That's not a coincidence.
1 RyanUnited 2018-02-19
This.
1 thegreatrhino05 2018-02-19
Yes, I’ve seen a YouTube video showing a few people who talked about cat food for an entire day even though they didn’t have a cat. A few days later, they had cat food ads on their fb page. This has never happened to me personally but also pretty crazy. I honestly considered what happened to me to be quite different considering this was absolutely a spontaneous decision I made without telling anyone. Plus, it was an abnormal time for me to go to the bank. Definitely appreciate your input though, thanks!
1 Kind_Of_A_Dick 2018-02-19
That(the YT vid) doesn't sound like a very good example. Most people who talk about their phone spying on them say it happens quickly, not after days.
I suggested a test once before. Write down a specific product, that you have no reason to own or buy, on a piece of paper, in a room away from any device. Put it in your pocket or wallet, or somewhere easily accessible. Wait a week and make sure you don't ever mention it aloud. If you come across an ad for it online during that week without mentioning it, toss the paper out and start again with a new product. Don't search for it online or click any kind of links to anything like it. This is to make a control.
Now start talking about the product for a single day, either alone or with friends, and do it frequently. If you start seeing ads pretty quickly, you're likely being monitored.
1 freesp33chisstilldea 2018-02-19
Start off by turning your location off unless you absolutely need it. Then go app by app and limit permissions to microphone, location, Bluetooth, etc...
1 thegreatrhino05 2018-02-19
I’m definitely going to do this.
I’m pretty sure it’s the apple maps app that is tracking my location and making the guesses on my destination. For instance, in the app I can see where my car is right now since it was synced to my car when I parked and left it.
1 freesp33chisstilldea 2018-02-19
Sorry, I assumed you were using Android. I have no idea if it'll work on Apple. Their OS is closed source, no way to test it. Doesn't hurt to try. Can you limit permissions on apps?
1 thegreatrhino05 2018-02-19
I can turn off, “track my location” within the app. Obviously that kind of defeats the purpose of the maps app if you’re using it for navigation, but I never use it anyway. I’ve left it on because I want to see if it continues to guess my destination correctly.
1 Occams-shaving-cream 2018-02-19
Turn off fucking Siri! That is the issue right there! The maps app just shows maps. It is only with Siri on that any of that suggestion shit happens. I can’t believe anyone actually leaves all that active.
1 jje5002 2018-02-19
you dont think that really turns it off do you
1 freesp33chisstilldea 2018-02-19
It fuckin does. Have you analyzed and compiled the code to see for yourself? Apparently not. You're just parroting bullshit.
1 jje5002 2018-02-19
have you? and even so you really think its gonna listen? why you get so angry
1 freesp33chisstilldea 2018-02-19
Yes I have. I just hate parrots that repeat nonsense with nothing to back it up. Is what going to listen?
1 CrotchFungus 2018-02-19
I dont think that makes a difference...
1 russianbot01 2018-02-19
Its like when you type "asian" into google and it autofills "asian ass porn" for you already. The bank maybe saved as onr of your most frequently visited places, so if you start in that direction maybe it autofills so to speak.
1 thegreatrhino05 2018-02-19
Lol
Yeah that’s a good answer. What gets me is that I definitely go to the bank often, maybe a top 5 destination from my apartment, but at that time of the day I could’ve been going to 3 or 4 more likely places. To me it would be an bad guess if it works on an algorithm that picks the most likely destination.
1 jje5002 2018-02-19
yes .. it is
1 redditeditard 2018-02-19
https://mobile.twitter.com/snowden/status/793109381982326784?lang=en
1 thegreatrhino05 2018-02-19
Lol
1 Amazonistrash 2018-02-19
I hate that there are so many of these "mind reading shitty consumer level electronics that advertise to people who dont spend enough money to justify the use of such high tech apparatus, but for some reason they do anyway".
No, its called GRAPH ANALYTICS combined with AI.
There is an entire field of science that allows one to predict behaviour patterns with seemingly "mind reading" accuracy.
Combine graph appliances with ultrasonic beacons, geolocation that tells proximity to businesses and residences, cameras everywhere, license plate readers, RFID tags.
All those cheap low tech devices make people who dont take measures to avoid interacting with them, or even to give them so much noise to signal as to fuck with them, think that their mind is being read by a device with zero technical capability to do that.
Youd need something along the lines of an fMRI machine that can actually "read thoughts". A multimillion dollar piece of equipment that takes a whole section of a hospital, liquid helium, superconducting magnets, a supercomputer to construct the imagery and an expert to read it.
These threads are akin to the ancient myths when people thought Zeus was hurling lightning instead of understanding how electricity works.
These myths need to be destroyed and people need to dive into the subjects related to HPC(high performance computing), spy tech of all kinds like the ones i mentioned, and the fact that the majority of their phone or computer settings are "all spyware enabled by default" and they dont bother to change them.
1 thegreatrhino05 2018-02-19
Honestly I was kidding about the mind reading part, but I definitely can tell you’ve thought about this a lot which cool!
1 Amazonistrash 2018-02-19
Sorry about the rant. There are a bunch of people who seem to think that their phones actually do read minds.
I have given it a lot of thought in terms of opsec. If you want privacy you pretty much need to live in a SCIF or at least try to mitigate data leakage in the same way that the spies themselves do.
1 Reality_is_a_scam 2018-02-19
the algorithms can tell alot just by the GPS alone.
1 Afrobean 2018-02-19
Smartphones can "notice" when certain events coincide with others and use that to predict your future behavior remarkably well. I know that I used to get a notification every time I was about to leave for work because my phone knows where I am at all times, when I'm driving, how long it takes me to get there, etc. If you go to the same place 5 days a week at the same time, it might even assume that location is your "work" and identify it as such. Ditto for your home. If it has seen that pairing to your Bluetooth car means you're going for a drive, it may start guessing at your destination. If you haven't been to a frequent destination in a while, like the bank, then that might make that destination be the top guess even if it might be unusual to go at that specific time. It's not about reading your mind, it's the fact that the phone tracking all of your location data constantly makes you REALLY easy to predict.
You can change your settings to not see such things. I know I did this because the notifications were always unnerving and never helpful at all, but the metadata about your location and functions your phone accesses are still all there on the device. Welcome to the future.
ps they might be listening through the microphone too. If you said the word "bank" at all right before pairing your phone to your car, the phone might have noticed that and assumed that was your destination. I can't prove that this happens although we frequently discuss the idea of smartphone mics listening in, but the stuff I said about location tracking data and predicting behavior is 100% documented intentional features.
1 thegreatrhino05 2018-02-19
Really helpful comment, thanks!
1 Amazonistrash 2018-02-19
Keep in mind that the actual processing is done remotely in data centers, not likely the phone itself. Phones are great sensor packages to gather data with but there are many megawatt class datacenters all over the world
1 Nintendo-or-Nothing 2018-02-19
Do you have Amazon Echo? I noticed that my the youtube app on my TV seems to play commercials that relate to things going on in my life. Not just searches either. Creepy.
1 thegreatrhino05 2018-02-19
Wow that is creepy..
I don’t have it. I understand how it can be useful around the house, but I’ve been joking recently that we are literally letting Skynet into our homes lol.
1 KlingonWarMom 2018-02-19
I was at work. I was buying something from an associate of mine and told her that after I clocked out, i would go by the bank and pull out $200 cash for her. When I left work a few minutes later, I went to the atm, put in my card, and the first recommendation was get fast cash $200. Usually that first option is for $20. I had always noticed advertising being geared toward conversations I had recently held. But to have the atm just know what I wanted like that was super creepy. They are always listening. Sometimes they are sloppy about it.
1 thegreatrhino05 2018-02-19
Wow, that’s insane.
Do you have Apple/Android Pay? Then your phone would have debit card info and therefore checking account to suggest that to you at the ATM.
1 KlingonWarMom 2018-02-19
No I don't use apple devices, nor do I use samsung pay. It was by far my clearest example of the machines knowing too much.
1 thrownaway3131 2018-02-19
I've got a Google pixel (huge mistake, shit phone) and at my last job it started tracking my wake up times near perfectly and not bringing up the usual notification about it being time for work, which it displayed every morning, on the days I had off. Needless to say I'm changing it soon.
1 Cobra-Serpentress 2018-02-19
No, it is just making educated guesses based on an algorithm.
1 freesp33chisstilldea 2018-02-19
It fuckin does. Have you analyzed and compiled the code to see for yourself? Apparently not. You're just parroting bullshit.
1 thegreatrhino05 2018-02-19
Wow that is creepy..
I don’t have it. I understand how it can be useful around the house, but I’ve been joking recently that we are literally letting Skynet into our homes lol.