This is about feels, no fact. Stop ruining my outrage. GAH.

It was definitely a gamed post, imo.

We as a community have allowed blatantly false propaganda to be the very top post of our sub representing our very best thoughts. Shame on us for being the tools of propagandists.

Eh, there is not much we can do against outside forces, along with there is only so much the mods can do. However, there are at least two mods who are sympathetic/aligned to the REEESIST movement.

Tribal alliances run deep in any forum if note. Only through language Creoles and constant satirical attacks can we overcome the totalitarian forces that wish to diminish our already silent voices.

Indeed. Side note: Happy Cakeday!

“Somme countries have a very, very tough penalty — the ultimate penalty — and by the way, they have much less of a drug problem than we do.”

-Donald Trump

Right. The fucking president just said “and by the way” like a douchebag, and we’re supposed to pretend like he was just offering something with subtext that wasn’t his personal opinions?

People who fall for this asinine bullshit must be literally unable to think for themselves.

He's right, some do. That doesn't mean that's what he wants seen implemented.

He's our leader. He is the biggest force directing how we govern. What's his fucking point then? Because to me he's normalizing murder without due process. Anyone who makes excuse for that is smitten by an old man in a wig.

Well he could clear things up by being consistent in his principles and not use vague, ominous speech, but he does this intentionally. Honestly, if you're a leader and people misinterpret what you're saying, it's on you to better articulate yourself. Literally what the job is.

How dare you break the hate narrative! Shame!

Lest go full Philippines on the drug dealing degenerates!

Why didn’t you just post this in the other thread?

So you didn’t want to post in the other thread because it wasn’t a pro trump echo chamber? You are posting on the wrong subreddit, this is not the place to suck up to the US government

Everything either has to be an anti-Trump or pro-Trump echo-chamber, there is no rational inbetween.

This is what is killing this fucking website. Guy observers the clear anti-Trump circlejerk taking over the entire thread, observes that the Politico article is not being rationally discussed and then you take it upon yourself to assume that their willingness to participate explicitly requires the polar opposite the entire point they are making and you still get upvotes.

Trump gets himself into this shit time and time again by just saying dumb shit off the top of his head. In that moment he was saying "hey look at the Philippines where they just straight up murder the drug dealers. Seems to work out pretty well for those guys because they don't have nearly the drug problem that we do."

Why say some dumb shit like that? It's like when he conplimented Kim Jong Un for becoming the leader of North Korea at age 27. He said "A lot of people, I'm sure, tried to take that power away, whether it was his uncle or anybody else. And he was able to do it. So obviously, he's a pretty smart cookie."

What the fuck? Why is he casually complimenting brutal dictators for using violence to get what they want?

No he wasn't straight up suggesting we should murder drug dealers too. But praising the guy who does that is just a stupid ass thing to say.

Saying the Nazis had far superior technology than the allies in WWII is not admitting you're a Nazi or support the ideology, it's just a fact. Sometimes the truth hurts, but, the truth shall set you free and doesn't care about your opinion or feelings.

He wasn't saying someone had better technology than another person. He was saying "hey look these people use brutal violence to get a disused outcome and that seems to work really well for them." That shit isn't cool. We don't do that shit here or admire it.

He wasn't saying someone had better technology than another person.

Whoosh.

That shit isn't cool. We don't do that shit here or admire it.

Do you admire Abraham Lincoln?

Yeah no clue where you're going with this and I don't care man sorry. Have a good one.

lmao, you know I just proved you wrong and are running away, now. You're so cute :)

Hey thanks.

What did you prove? I don't think anyone understands what you are even trying to prove. Your words don't make sense. Being 100% straight with you right now. Maybe one more retry?

Par for the course, and then prawns comes and pats his back like a good Ole boy.

Interesting analogy since it's clearly debatable that the Germans had "superior" "technology". And just like Trump should understand that words have variable meaning and that context matters, you should have understood those two words can be construed in many ways.

Parsing the words of liars, oy....

Neither for nor against Trump but seems to me like he eluded to allowing judges to impose the death penalty on a drug dealers who's drugs lead to a user's death. I'm ok with that

Ya would love to see him go outsider and disband the dea and end the drug war. It is a total waste of resources and is a war against sick people that enriches extremely violent cartels. It also bankrolls fucked up CIA operations no American would support and congress wouldn’t pay for.

Some if not all states do that, definitely a good idea though. I think it's the reference to the Phillipines that is the worrying part if he thinks that the way they do it is a good idea.

It is obviously fake news, but the disturbing part is that it currently has over 9000 upvotes, which is obvious manipulation. You could post a video of Dick Cheney activating the detonator on the WTC demolition and you wouldn't get 9000+ upvotes in this sub.

This guy gets it.

Rationally analyzing... Trump

This is not allowed. You take the narrative as it is presented to you by the media, citizen.

This is a conspiracy forum goddammit. We should really accept the only conspiracy the mainstream media hasn’t tried to immediately debunk or conflate with believing lizards rule the earth so it must be legit. It’s unacceptable that a foreign government would use social media platforms to promote their propaganda. Russia are bad ok because we’ve been told they’re bad by the media and career politicians who have only ever had our best interests at heart. Wow, some of the people here...you just refuse to accept the evidence even though it’s constantly promoted. I just thubj if you don’t believe in this conspiracy then you probably think the earth is flat yeah. That’s how crazy you have to be to not listen to the mainstream media. C’mon guys Wikileaks is run by Russia too so we should ignore everything they’ve released before. I’m starting to think the CIA only listens to us because they want to make sure that we’re safe from the Russian bots. Remember they hacked the election so just because nobody denies what was in the emails aren’t true it casts into doubt how legitimate they are really...

———— Side note: this is one of the forum takeover tactics where groups try to make the forum boring, unreadable and unrecognisable from what used to be posted. It’s a good tactic to be fair as I’ve definitely lost some interest in coming here since it’s been “Trump is amazing vs Trump is a Russian puppet” posts constantly. Not sure if there’s a way of turning back the tide to make it interesting again

I really doubt it is real "conspiracy theorists" upvoting. Probably bots, or government.

As much as I dislike having to defend Trump on any issue I think that him showing an appropriate degree of concern, anger, frustration, or sadness over the huge number of opioid deaths is only to his credit, as it would be coming from any normal person who stops to consider just how very many of those tragic and unnecessary deaths there have been and that are still being reported every day.

And as for considering whoever is actually responsible for all those unnecessary deaths or reflecting on what ought to be done about them, I don't think that there's a single person that wouldn't understand or be shocked to hear anyone here say "We ought to shoot the bastards or string them up." as a response to that and give them a shit-ton of up-votes for it, and you all damn well know that would be the case, too.

This is simply another example of just how far some people will go to try and misconstrue quite literally anything that Trump does or says in the worst possible light and run-off at the mouth about it.

By the way there is a carved wooden plaque of Draco the first lawgiver of Athens hanging prominently along with numerous others on the wall of the US Supreme Court.

That's also the same Draco that the term "draconian" came from. Draco only had two basic penalties for any crime, death or exile and they certainly reduced the amount of crime in Athens after that was introduced but witnessing the fate of the few who were still caught and punished those ways very quickly became far too much for anyone to bear. That plaque doesn't hang there out of any regard for the harsh and unforgiving nature of Draco's laws.

It's there because before Draco there were no laws at all and literally anything could happen or be done to anyone at all without the slightest provocation or fear of ever being held accountable for it.

That's a very far cry from what Trump actually said, even if it was somewhat tinged with that sentiment. Trump is often blunt, opinionated, and as expressive in as few words as possible, to say the very least about him.

Those too few words often leave a great deal else unsaid that anyone can imply whatever they like about, but it doesn't necessarily make it so.

So do many of us here when it comes to things that deliberately inflict a great deal of harm on any ordinary people, no matter who or where they happen to be.