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Depends on what you mean...some people honestly believe we live in a simulation. The idea is that since we can see over the near-technological horizon, and the conception and development of simulated realities is seen as possible in the near future, then it is likely that this technology, once developed, was already developed, and that we ourselves live within a simulation, nested ad infinitum.

I don't really subscribed to this. What I find more interesting is Holographic theory...based off the Holographic principle, it posits that all information contained in a 3D space can actually be encoded on its 2D surface, which basically describes the event horizon of a black hole...this opens up the possibility for black hole universes, and the idea that we are potentially nested within a universe, within a universe, etc; but that each is just as real and exotic as the last...that the Universe naturally creates more Universes within itself...

Pretty crazy either way but fun stuff regardless...

Obligatory /r/holofractal

Michael Talbot wrote a fascinating book on holographic theory a really long time ago. Then he died under suspecious circumstances

Didn't know lymphocytic leukemia was 'suspecious'.

Sure that's what the autopsy report says hehe

Specious - superficially plausible, but actually wrong.

What was so fascinating about it? Can you give an example?

When it was published there was no other book in the public domain that was similar in subject matter.

That's it?

How bout I ask you a loaded question at 4:04AM

loaded?

Yet, to add to what you said ...

People see that in the future we will be able to simulate reality. They think given that this will become a possibility, it's highly unlikely that we would be the first to develop a simulation, and that it's instead most likely that we are a simulation (possibly within a simulation, within a simulation, etc..) that is about to develop a simulation.

I don't know, Timmy, being God is a big responsibility

Wow, thanks for posting, gives some perspective to what could be. Very interesting read and values my time, have an upvote :)

i've got another one, give me a minute

Artificial

Thanks, liked the first one better though. I actually experienced similar things to this story back in 2012, still some part of me fears that reality. Anyhow, thanks :)

I love this story. Kinda freaky to think of the possibilities.

What is more probable:

that we exist inside of a "true" universe that came into being, spontaneously, out of nothing, about 15 billion years ago, and that all our present knowledge indicates that we are alone in this physical universe. We've evolved over 4 billion years, and just in the last 50 we've been able to conceive and implement incredibly detailed computer simulations...and we're just at the infancy of our technology.........

..........or all this happened quite some time ago. Somewhere else. And we're inside of a simulation, the technology behind which we could barely even grasp if we were told.

present knowledge indicates that there must be millions if not billions life bearing planets out there.

How is the most current popular theory of how the universe came into being and exists is the most likely? There is no way to discern what is and isn't more likely. So any possibility is just as likely as any other possibility.

This is a question of epistemology, is it not?

Human beings put too much importance on fitting in. We try to fit in or we risk being cast out. It's like we form a mob popular opinion amongst ourselves without ever talking it out. It happens naturally. Right now humans share the thought that The Big Bang is how the Universe got here. But we can't ever access a frame of reference to discern that that's the most likely.

It could be just as wrong as us believing Earth was the center of everything. We have no way to know.

You should cut it out with that "what is more probable" nonsense because as it's turning out, we don't know shit.

Tell that to my Gastroenterologist

This theroy has a name but I forgot about it...

The idea is that if it's possible to simulate things, and it seems it is because we're doing it, then there is only 3 possible solutions :

1. No civilization is old/advanced enough yet to run those kind of simulations in meaningful numbers.

2. For whatever reason, civilizations are just losing interest in simulations during their development so they don't exist in meaningful numbers.

3. There is civilization which is advanced enough and still willing to do simulations. In this case, you're mostly forced to be in one because millions or billions of simulated realities would exist while there would be only one real world.

No. It is a meaningless postulation. "Is reality real?" You have answered your own question.

You do not have the ability to see beyond the physical. And foolishly believe that thats all there is.

Ah yes, like this. Hey...you never know!

"Can I buy some Pot from you"

LMFAO.

Idk if that's actually what a holographic universe theory proposes. From my understanding, it means that all matter contains within itself, regardless of size, the entirety of the universe and existence encoded in its "dna". At the smallest known measurement to man, the Planck length, when calculated against the measurements of the largest known black hole, it is very close to being identical in density to that of a single atom mathematically.

A holograph contains all of the information of the entirety of the holograph within itself, regardless of how small or large you cut the pieces of said holograph.

This theory proposes that all information in all matter that makes up the entire universe is contained within every piece of that universe regardless of size. This explains consciousness as a sort of feedback loop that exists in nature, which allows for patterns to form and life to be created.

Holy shit.

I was always under the impression that it was plank length> observable universe > density of an atom

So like every atom contained the whole universe, or like you said the entirety of the universe and existence is encoded in its dna

I kind of explain it like this:

Our universe is like a graphics engine using light to render matter fractally to create a "simulation" of the data/information. There is a natural underlying framework balanced in perfect equilibrium jitterbugging (spinning and collapsing in on itself) faster than we can imagine, creating a refresh rate of infinite HZ on our monitor. The graphics engine can potentially render the entire dataset from any single 'viewpoint' or 'node' within the simulation (meaning it is holographic), but it only renders what is 'observable,' determined through interacting systems on any scale causing interference 'feedback.'

As we travel closer to the speed of light the graphics engine slows down rendering, hence time slows down

The actual explanation for relativistic time dilation is even more elegant, so elegant in fact that it is one of my favourite examples of mathematical beauty in physics. Imagine that you're on a vehicle--a car, a plane, a spaceship, whatever you like--that is travelling one km/h slower than the speed of light (also known as the constant C). If you would get up from your seat and start running in the direction of movement, your velocity relative to a reference frame outside of the plane would be higher than C, which is impossible. The universe 'solves' this problem by having time slow down aboard the vehicle, so that you seem to move slower to an outside observer and thus stay nicely within the cosmic speed limit.

I like the one electron theory which I have connected to the single point of awareness theory.

That's a cluster fuck that doesn't make any sense.

we ourselves live within a simulation

A simulation of what?

Does 'simulation' no longer mean what it used to mean?

A simulation of being human.. when you die, your soul can ascend, stay on Earth, or descend... and you do not want to do the last two things because the Earth simulation’s time is almost gone for good

How can it be a simulation if there is nothing being simulated?

What I find more interesting is Holographic theory...based off the Holographic principle, it posits that all information contained in a 3D space can actually be encoded on its 2D surface, which basically describes the event horizon of a black hole...this opens up the possibility for black hole universes...

The basic idea is as you describe, but it doesn't imply any possibility of a "black hole universe", whatever that actually means.

The holographic principle is a statement that there exists both a 3+1 dimensional description as well as a 2+1 dimensional description. It doesn't tell us much about cosmology or "what the universe is" or anything like that.

I’ve done a lot of reading on this & its my opinion that most articles about it imply that everything we see physically is like “CGI/Computer graphics” which always seemed kinda ridiculous. I eventually came to the conclusion those articles exist to muddy up the search results & simulation theory is really this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_Environment_for_Analysis_and_Simulations - outside of this wiki link its kinda hard to find info about this probably mostly classified government program.

What are you trying to say? You think this is the simulation we’re in or what?

Besides, what’s ridiculous about everything we’re seeing being code?

I’m saying we do live in a computer simulation & that SWS program is being used by the govt to simulate every possible scenario & they want to get every person & country on that grid with people using as many smart devices etc in their homes so they can manage global resources & control every aspect of our lives. The computer doesnt like places like North Korea because it fucks up the simulations algorighm because its unpredictable.

Are we talking about two different simulations going on or are you saying that the SWS program is the simulation that they’re using to try to control us?

SWS is the simulation we live in & being used to control us. All the data they collect on us makes them “psychics”. Every time you swipe your bank card, clock in at work, clock out for lunch, turn the tv on at home, drive through a toll booth, phone tracks everything you do & say, etc helps them predict the future & they make decisions based on all the outcomes the simulation provides them. ITS THE ALL SEEING EYE!

Ah, I get it now. Damn, where’s Frodo when you need him.

We are Frodo! Knowledge is power. This simulation like any tech can be used for good or bad. People might not be ready to admit AI can really accelerate our evolution. Very controversial. General public might not be ready to discuss many things... most will fight the shit out of something like this but it could greatly improve many problems we face. Crazy shit.

Have you ever noticed unusually coincidences and alignments in your daily life? Carl Jung called this synchronicity. The unfortunate analytical population rejects any spiritual explanation so they grab on to what they know. Computers, thus the "stimulation theory". Which try's to explain the so called coincidences that we can no longer ignore. Which is really just a rejection of The Big Bang theory which says don't pay attention to synchronicity it's all in your head life is random and meaningless. We are starting to realize that our ancestors might not have been so crazy after all when they talked about gods and magic.

i agree, and i think ancient people, in general, were a lot more in tune with the natural world as a whole including the heavens.

They were installing patches to the Earth server.. that explains the 5 mass extinctions 😂😂

Was the Cambrian explosion dlc then?

Terrence McKenna had a pretty good idea of the state of our reality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImFmOcZ2-xs

Carl Jung called this synchronicity.

Are you familiar with synchromysticism?

This short video will either blow your mind or piss you off.

It’s almost like the simpsons predicting stuff is just Matt Groenig using his creative ability to channel events about the future.. not /s lol

The only users in this sub that would downvote this post are from the /r/politics brigade. This post got downvoted as soon as it was submitted.

The only users in this sub that would downvote this post are from the /r/politics brigade

why the fuck do they come here and hate so much on us, I just dont get it

It’s bots and paid shills

Don't underestimate the existence of actual people who are just shitty trolls. TMOR seems to have the belief that everyone here is calling up Sandy Hooks families and saying they are crisis actors, and because of that they are right to harass, stalk, and bully people here.

Yeah, while I do believe there is a shill presence here, I'm starting to think the majority of people who sit here and ridicule are just a certain personality type. You know those conceited kids, usually against drugs, everything they say is a bit of "jab," pretend to be popular but don't have real friends.

The good thing is these people don't actually research the subjects they ridicule, so if you run into one in real life you can beat them into submission by dropping some sweet knowledge.

Yeah I tend to agree with that. Sometimes people get suckered into thinking their self-worth is based on their online presence.

They're from r/politics... They're not big on the truth, bro.

This is such a stupid, baiting comment in such an awesome thread.

Well it happened.

Maybe it was downvoted because it's not even a conspiracy theory and there are many more appropriate subs for existential questions like this.

Would you upvote a post that said "could someone describe the theory of gravity for me?"

It doesn’t matter. For some people any downvotes have to be “inorganic” and could in no way simply be a person or people that don’t like or don’t want to see the post. While I think it is dumb that this post is downvotes at all, the mere presence of downvotes doesn’t mean it was brigaded, especially because there is no evidence of any brigade.

i downvoted most of the bullshit here, but I'm not a /r/pol user.

I downvoted this as Google/YouTube would respond to the title

They could, but you should really only downvote comments that don’t add or create discussion. For instance, somebody down-voted your explanation. That was wrong, you were adding to the discussion.

Downvoted the post not the comment sorry, always upvote what I respond to out of principle. It created a conversation

Posts or comments, it doesn’t matter. Just because they can get a few perspectives doesn’t mean they should ask.

You are currently enslaved inside of a Holographic Computer Projection. The "Life Review" presented after so called physical death is merely a Computer File. Through massive deception, the agents of this Predatory Matrix known as the Alien Archons and the Global Elite trick humans to constantly reincarnate. The Projected Avatar and its memory files are deleted. Although a permanent backup exists within the Deep Subconscious.

Also, "God" is a fake demiurge being who is programmed to appear to be "God" but is merely a simulated porjection

Username relevant

So, God mode?

Lol, yeah that would literally be God Mode wouldn't it

Hi. You are absolutely correct. It is tragic because everyone sees this glowing, magnificent "God" and become awestruck. They never question anything and fall right into the Karmic debt and reincarnation scams. If people only knew the "God" they are looking at is actually a Simulated Projection being done by Parasitic Aliens...

Whats the current logic on avoiding the reincarnation trap?
(Stiff arm? Crossover move?)

Be as loving and knowledgeable about the deception of its world and what it’s doing to your friends and family.. your soul is the metaphorical Holy Spirit connecting you to The Source and negative energies want to keep humans here..

who knows what happens after this life.. but I know now for sure there’s an afterlife..

First part disagrees with second part.

Not really. All he said was he doesn’t know what will happen after death but he knows experience exists after death.

Egyptians wrote a whole book on what happens 5000 years ago. Its basically like the Nintendo game Contra...just when you think you beat the final boss, there is another bigger final boss, and another.. :/

Link?

No, Contra! Its an old shooter.

Book of the Dead

How can you know their is an after death experience without knowing some parts of what the experience is?

There are many accounts of a place beyond this one from people who have gone there and came back. Details are hard to come by, however, as it seems to be a place that defies linguistic description.

People have gone there both voluntarily (by ingesting DMT, a chemical that is excreted during sleep and also before death) and involuntarily through actual death and medical re-animation leading to so-called Near Death Experiences.

The vague and sparing descriptions we have share great similarities across individuals, mechanisms of getting there, and also across time and cultures, indicating that it is in some indescribable way an actual place, be it physical, metaphysical, spiritual, or psychological (assuming those are somehow different things, which I don't think is so).

In my view, there is enough evidence to assume that there is some real phenomenon that is occurring, but not enough evidence to provide a comprehensive description or explanation for what the hell is going on with all this.

I've done a ton of DMT. I'm not sure I thought of it as the afterlife, but I can answer questions. Also, the idea that it is excreted during sleep or before death is a conjecture by Strassman, he even says it in his book. No proof of that.

Thanks for the insight, I didn't know that it wasn't established conclusively.

Afterlife could be a misleading term to use, too, as there is no reason to think it's not the same "realm", for lack of a better word, that we came from in the first place. I'm also not sure if it's a universal place, a parallel dimension to this one, a subjective psychological space, or something else entirely, but it's curious that the experiences of Near Death survivors tend to be very concrete and very similar. It's also curious that the realms we enter when on specific psychotropic drugs tend to be very similar across individuals, and I suspect there's a link between these phenomena which we don't really understand at all yet.

Simple. Because it is impossible to experience not experiencing.

How do you know for sure there is an afterlife? (I think there is one too, but you seem to have had an experience? )

there is a battle on Earth for our souls.. if you aren’t in tune with a loving vibration, you will stay stuck on Earth until you learn. The way the media fights conspiracies and the idea of God makes t too obvious for me.. I’m 25 and I’ve had the feeling something is very off about this world since I was 18 and after 7 years of doing all the research and stuff related to the occult and what the bigger picture is, the afterlife is a no doubt thing.

You have a soul, if it’s always negative like how the MSM want to keep you, then like how the guy above described, you become trapped here on Earth.

No NDEs for me, but I have enough personal experience and research for me to have the 100% in the afterlife and this time I’m excited to see the other side and not come back to Earth... I have a feeling the “end times” of this age are soon and after this one, there is no reset button like the other mass extinctions.

If this implicates being separated from God for all eternity, THEN PEACE OUT EARTH ✌️

Stiff arm?

lmao

You gotta fight em' with all your might bro. Mind battles and shit.

Real life jedi mind tricks stuff. I hope I remember not to give in this time around, lol. This place blows, and wouldn't want anyone to have to go through this shit unwillingly and especially when its intentionally set up to be so gosh darn deceptive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v79lVNKthCw

Especially since after the next mass extinctions.. the Earth simulation is over

... go on..

Hi. You are correct. Outside of the limitations of this "physical dimension" the skill set changes significantly. I have actually gotten Matrix Agents to punch themselves and each other by using concentrated mental focus. If that does not work I recommend Telekinesis which very Real in the Astral Dimension, and is an incredible tool for self defense.

Don't drink the water.

play dead

Wow... that is a theory I can get behind.. it gives credit to the positive and negative polarity of the soul to be honest

Well, that sucks if true. What can we do about it?

Confronting these Alien Parasites is absolutely necessary. With all the strength and courage as a Free Being you must declare you Cancel All Soul Contracts and will Not Reincarnate ever again.

I dig this theory even if I don't agree with it. I think whoever has passed down this theory is in fact trapped themselves, but it is not the reality of many.

Every being inside this Simulation is currently enslaved. The Archons themselves are part of a Satanic Hierachy and are controlled to some extent by the Evil Demiurge.

:(

i think it's more to do with every piece of media and pop culture is purely manipulated by the global elite. there is a world stage which things happen on, and a curtain behind which the rules of the world are dictated. every president is a puppet. the people that really run the world are the infinitely wealthy that live in relative obscurity. our lives and the way we live them are not as real as they would otherwise be if it were not for their incessant pollution of our reality, diet, air, science, water, and education.

Chuck middle does some mind-blowing presentations on this kind of stuff. Even if you're not a Christian his stuff is definitely worth looking up on YouTube.

I don't see how any non-Christian could possibly take him seriously.

That's great. Probably the same way I don't see how anyone can take the learned ones of conspiracy that seriously yet I still listen and digest what they have to say.

A view ive nnot seen covered yet is the chance of us being in an actual program. Like for how long the universe has existed vs our rate of technological progress vs estimate of chances of advanced life.

Pretty slim chances that we're what? The universe equivalent of the first fish that crawled out of the water? Doubt

Like for how long the universe has existed vs our rate of technological progress vs estimate of chances of advanced life.

How long do you believe the universe has existed, and why do you believe this?

In 10, 20, 100 years from now, do you think virtual reality will be indistinguishable from reality? If you do, what’s to say we’re not already in one.

if there is one species, anywhere in the entire universe capable of creating real life-like simulations, there is NO CHANCE we are in base reality. nuff said

it doesn't even have to be 10,20,100.

it could be 1,000 years from now. the point is that if at some point, we can program a simulation with all the variables of human life. then how do we know it isnt being done right now in some dude's basement for his school project in 3018.

Exactly. It doesn’t matter how long it takes, just if it possible. If we can perfectly replicate the universe and then that universe can do the same, it is nearly guaranteed that we are in a simulation.

There's two types of simulation theories:

The first is that we are in a sort of Matrix.

Us as individuals are nothing more than computer programs. We aren't alive. We don't actually exist in any physical sense. We're just AI and everything that we think is realy/physical is just because we're programmed to accept it as such.

There's actually a good amount of science that backs this idea up. For example the planck length. The Planck Length is the smallest unit of distance with any solid meaning. Basically a pixel.

There's also dark matter and dark energy. Science has determined that our universe should have much more mass than it currently does so we came up with "dark matter/energy" to explain it away. If this is a simulation then the numbers could be off because our universe isn't actually what we think it is. It's just a "level" or an "open world" type video game. Something like the Truman show but on a larger scale.

Then there is the fact that electrons and other particles exist as a wave until they are observed - basically the same thing as a "map" on a video game that has not loaded till you access it.

Then there is the mandela effect. For the sake of this comment lets just assume its real (if its not then just disregard this part of my comment). Some believe that the mandela effect happens because the simulation we are in gets updated, no different than a webpage, and some items that should be updated to reflect the changes are over looked. This could include pictures, but also memories since if we are simulated our "memory" is just pulling from a database somewhere.

The big bang and "coming from nothing" would be no different than when you load up a video game. Before you hit the power button the world and characters of that game did not exact, but then bang, there they are.

The second type of simulation is that the simulation we are in is actually natural.

Our consciousness has manifested this reality/simulation naturally and everything we experience in this physical realm is akin to a dream. It's real in the sense that our consciousness is unable to distinguish the truth nature of our reality, but nothing here is actually physical. It's all in our collective consciousness. Kind of like Inception. We are all in the same dream together, but its still a dream and not actually physical at all.

Something that backs this idea up is the experiences people have when taking shrooms or LSD. Almost everyone gets a new outlook on what is "real" after taking those things. Almost everyone reports seeing beings and having the sensation that they are "waking up" from the simulation and entering the true reality.

The idea of having a soul that goes to heaven after dying would align with this concept as well. Many other religions outside of Christianity also believe in higher levels of consciousness too.

Someone else mentioned the holographic universe, and I personally believe the holographic principle is what this universe is based upon, but I don't think it has to be separate from the simulation theory either. I do believe that a simulated reality could be holographic whether real or naturally simulated

This is a great comment. Bravo for contributing some good reading dude.

thanks, i actually got up from bed to type it on an actual keyboard so i appreciate the comment

🙏 Thank you so much 🙏

My pleasure man

Well now we know how serious you were. BZ

His post honestly helped me answer some fencey questions about life... those are the kinds of comments I come on Reddit for.. someone has the answer!

The thing that really gets me is that when you look at the odds we are in a simulation, those same odds apply to the ones doing that simulation (1 level above us). And so on and so on. How many simulation levels might there actually be? Hundreds? Thousands? milions? If there is one single intelligence in our universe/simulation somewhere advanced enough to do their own universe simulation program, that adds one more level to it, until an intelligence in that one does it too. How far are we from the top? And the weirdest part, that one single universe that created the first simulation, what is it like there, since they have had the most time to advance? And the scary thing.. if one computer doing the simulating in the chain of simulations crashes, all those universes below that one will crash as well.

Ever watch Black Mirror? If not you'll really like it.

something else to think about... the NPCs in online games like WoW could be sentient... or at least think they are... their reality, as crude as it is compared to ours, is all they know. they don't know it could be better.

I watched the last season of it all in one day lol. Cant wait for the next season. Man.. could you imagine that life? Get massacred... respawn. die again... respawn.. die again... respawn... murder someone... die again... respawn..

so crazy lol

Funny you mention the WoW NPC's...

My best friend's husband passed away 3 years ago. We were in a top 100 US guild together for a very long time, and though her husband was never part of our core raid group he was a part of the guild as a friend invite. He was very sick and on disability toward the end, so he was logged in a lot on different alts, doing various things very often. Right up until a week or so before he passed. His favorite toon was his hunter.

A couple guildmates ended up working for Blizzard, and one in particular seemed to move up the ranks there fairly quickly over the years. To make the long story short, my friend's husband is now immortalized in the World as an NPC. She's said that even though it's clearly not the real him playing his character beside her like all those years together, sometimes she logs on her hunter to go into Trueshot Lodge to "see" him. Something about being able to do that is really special to me - a little different than photographs or a headstone.

Figured I'd share the story since it's somewhat relevant. He was a great guy and I'm happy he got a permanent place in the World he loved to play in. Now, if I go before my Blizzard buddy, I'm sure he'll troll the shit out of eternal me and use the Patchwerk model or give me the Marge Simpson haircut I always HATED for my undead warlock. -__-

i heard about this story, such a simple gesture that effects countless people. Sorry for your loss as well

Two movies you'll love, but were overshadowed by the Matrix:

The Thirteenth Floor (was gonna link a trailer for you but the few I just watched are awful or give away too much). Trust me on this one.

and Existenz
Also 1999, more dated than the Matrix, and with some extra Cronenbergian flair. Enjoy!

Ive seen both of em lol. I have hunted down movies like this for years so there arent many left I havent seen. Thanks though! This is how I end up finding new ones usually.

No one has the answer. That's the beauty of it 😉

That's the truth. Everything else is just perspective and theory.... I think we can all agree their is something bigger (or in the background) out there that we are strayed from by design

As you note there are two theories (actually more than that.) This is the schism in the modern day religions of new age-scientific-atheism.

Calling bullshit

Nope, I've thrumbprinted, along with my girl and some friends. A very close friend was the person that took the crystal LSD and converted it to liquid which would then go into vials or blotter. We had a very special experience one night, he had done it a few times.

Reiterating calling bullshit

Well, you can call bullshit and think you did well or you could ask questions and gain information and then decide for yourself, possibly gaining knowledge in the end (even if you don't buy I thumbprinted, you do acknowledge some people have thumprinted and that they might have interesting thing to tell you, right?) . It's good to see where your priorities are.

No i have serious doubts about anyone actually thumb printing. You do know there's multiple lsd reddits and there's a pretty hefty concensus on it by the general community. On the other hand we have uou, under the guise of a guide possibly leading people into doing something remarkably stupid.

I'm not leading people into doing something or acting as a guide. I doubt most people could ever come across crystal LSD. I'm happy to answer any questions. I haven't spent any time in LSD related subreddits, so I have no idea what they say. Just realize that some people out there have indeed thumbprinted, and they might be willing to talk about it. It's up to you if you want to hear about it.

As someone who is a fan of drugs and has seen plenty of people do plenty of acid: there is still a line between bold and stupid

Alright, you can call my actions stupid, but they still happened. 2-5mg is the sweet spot.

Do you think your thumbprint was between 2-5mg?

I can't give a definite measurement, but it was under the white-out threshold, but still quite a significant dose. The time I did it, most of us pressed are thumbs gently, one person pressed hard and swiped ... that dude was out of it for a bit. I'd say I probably got 1-3mg.

Ive you or anyone you know had thumbprinted you'd be near comatose for 2-3 days

Literally would experience life altering dis association disorders and risking forgetting the physical process for breathing

That's not the case.

Why do you think that? The one person I saw overdo it with a thumbprint was not comatose, but instead had a "white-out" for two days, ending with severe muscle cramping, going into two weeks of shit sleep.

I'm very curious about your experience. Please describe as much as you'd like. Forget the people already doubting your story without first hearing some details. Thanks man.

What do you want to know? It's a difficult thing to describe, and the way I describe it would depend a lot on your existing experience with psychdelics? So what do you want to hear and what is the POV you are coming from?

Haha this is exactly right and why he's lying. I believe it was Tim Leary who said that beyond a certain point the trip just increases in time. I did read one thumbprint story on shroomery a while back that I believe and the guys was completely incapacitated for about 3 days.

On the thumbprint part at least

I don't know if I would call either of these view atheistic in nature. They almost are theistic in nature. One would just have to debate what the specific theos is in each one. But it seems that there is definitely a higher power if we are a simulation.

As someone who used to be a druggy and has been clean for 7 years, dmt is the only thing I would ever do again if I had the opportunity. Preferably ayahuasca. And weed if its ever legalized federally.

Well described.

Here's another thing for you: the finiteness of the speed of light. When you think about it - why should it be finite? this doesn't derive from any fundamental principle, kind of like Planck length. These are attributes of our universe that limit the "humans" (as in sentients) from going too far or too deep. They are representations of boundaries.

After all, if we could somehow get to other planets elsewhere easily, imagine how much more memory would be required to then simulate all those as well. So better keep them out of reach - at least until more "memory" can be packed in (at which point we may discover that the speed of light is not a scalar like we thought it was, or that there were ways of getting around it. Or we may just - all of a sudden - discover a few tachyons).

good point!

What is 'light'?

'Wavelengths and particles at the same time', they tell me.

Ah, what? Am I expected to believe that because a guy in a white coat says so?

If we are going to have faith in religious leaders, let's at least be honest about it.

Sorry, if you were to study Physics in some depth, the wave particle duality actually makes lots of sense. It is also extremely elegant.

A little primer; waves and particles are two different ways of transporting energy across space. One is electro-magnetic, the other mechanical. Of course, in everyday life, the mechanical interactions (visualizable as one particle hitting another) is the most immediately accessible. But once you accept that energy can also be transported through distance (action at a distance) without actual contact of physical entities, then it's easy to understand why something like waves become necessary.

Another example is heat - especially when transported through space. Say from the sun. Obviously it can't be purely mechanical, so physicists found another transport means through distance and called it "wave". The hard part to visualize is not that light travels as a wave, but that it also has a particle nature, under certain circumstances. That particle aspect does not however become manifest in our macro world. But it obviously has to be something like that when a light photon "packet" "pushes" an electron from one state to another.

So, no, you need not believe anyone. Indeed, if you can come up with alternative ways of explaining both macro and micro worlds, the more power to you. many do not "believe' in Quantum mechanics and indeed, Einstein himself was one who just didn't care for the "statistical "nature of the Micro-world (god doesn't play dice, he said. Though may be he didn't know god, who might just like to jest). There are many others who keep trying to prove Quantum mechanics wrong. Alas, the burden of finding an equally successful alternative is on them.

PS no white coat here.

To people that want to understand a bit of how physics works at the "weird" levels I would suggest reading "The Elegant Universe". Its a really good book that puts things in terms that most people can understand. And it gets into the really weird stuff too.

It's a nice book for laypeople who seek insight. has some novel and imaginative descriptions.

If you were to study Physics in some depth, the wave particle duality actually makes lots of sense.

You believe that light can be both a wave and a particle at the same time?

Was proven in the 1920's, the results of this experiment still blow my mind every time I think about it

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How does that experiment 'prove' it?

By the observations recorded. A particle changes state depending on wether or not its being directly observed, from my understanding.

Does that really make sense to you?

Or do you trust the experts?

Well, idk if you've ever known anyone with a PhD in math or science, but they are more often than not very intelligent and capable critical thinkers. That being said, this experiment can be replicated by anyone who can get their hands on this kind of equipment. If you do it and get some conflicting results, r/conspiracy would be a wonderful place to post them lol (:

Do you know what an appeal to authority is?

This hardly qualifies as that. Don't be daft hahaha is someone with an associates degree in liberal arts as qualified to make observations about an experiment on the properties of photons as someone with a PhD in physics? Context.

I don't doubt this experiments validity becuase of the wealth of peer reviewed information and replication. If you doubt this, lean every last thing you can about it and try to prove it wrong. Otherwise everything else is pointless speculation .

qualified

Who gets to decide who is and is not 'qualified'? The very authority you are appealing to.

Lmfao what the actual fuck. Good luck in life fellow human

Why do scientism believers get so angry when their authorities are challenged?

Because most of those "authorities" work very hard at trying to make the world better for everyone through the scientific method, which is based on peer reviewed reality and open to being proven wrong.

I would rather a scientist be a world leader than some fucking banker or politician. Not all the answers are in science, but a whole heap of incredibly useful information for a happy and sustainable existence come from science.

If you don't like science or siencism or whatever stupid fucking label you want to put on it then quit using ur t.v., phone, car, microwave, refrigerator, and basically every other extremely useful invention brought-t- you'd-by science.

Our priests are trying to make things better! They tell us the truth!

They study at theology seminaries for years so that we may better understand the nature of god's earth!

How dare you criticise them, heathen!

Really? That's good, I thought most of em were just in it for the alone time with little boys..

It's not a belief. It's a proven theory. The fact that I can see what you typed is just one of many consequences.

Do you believe that all people are sentient? can you prove you exist?

It's a proven theory.

Is that how science works?

Actually the speed of light isn't a finite speed.

The speed of light is always 1c no matter how fast or slow you, yourself is moving (even if you move at 99.9999999...% of the speed of light, light will still travel at 1c relative to you. Spooky).

Please remember that everything in the universe is moving, nothing is standing still, so you have to consider everything from your own frame of reference. Earth moves at about 107000 km/h relative to the sun, and the solar system moves at roughly 800,000 km/h relative to the Milky Way's center. Then of course the Milky Way moves relative to the local cluster, etc, etc.

So why is this important? (lets forget laws of physics for a second) If you manage to move at the speed of light, 1c, then time and distance seizes to exist. From your frame of reference no time has passed and you have traveled no distance (actually you would occupy everything in the universe all at the same time), but from an outside observers perspective you have certainly traveled a certain distance and taken a certain amount of time to do it. Speed of light is a funky little thing.

The thing about that that always weirded me out was that light itself would experience no time since it travels... at the speed of light. So if light could think, its journey from its star across millions of lightyears of space, to you, would occur instantaneously.

The whole relativity thing always bugged me when I try and imagine it. If Im moving at .999c through empty space, it doesnt really mean anything. To me, time is flowing normally. But when you compare yourself to anything else, say Im moving at .999c relative to earth, then time is flowing very slowly for me even though everything seems normal. When I got back to earth it would be far in the future.

Thought experiments are an interesting concept. Especially when we try to approach limits asymptotically.

Here is a funny conundrum: as the speed of a particle increases, getting closer to the speed of light, its inertial mass increases (ie it takes more and more energy to "move it"). Yet the things that do travel already at the speed of light are massless: photons, neutrios (big debate about the latter due to some experiments). The ink spilled to walk through this conundrum could fill a small ocean.

Relativity presents many such dilemmas. To your point - you can get perhaps ever closer but never reach your "destination".

When you hit the late game in the "Life: Earth" DLC things get real laggy because humans are on so many worlds. You need a really good computer to keep playing 4,000 years after the Roman era levels.

Epic comment. Wow.

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Planck length is not a pixel

https://www.quora.com/In-laymans-terms-what-is-the-Planck-length

You know what he means, though. Everything has a level of quantization.

What will the audiophiles think when they realize EVERYTHING is digital?

Awesome, I've always thought of the wave-particle duality as the universe's processor saving RAM.

Nice one. makes sense. Once we start having quantum computer, we'll know a few more things. especially about those "glitches".

Considering concious observation resolves the quantum probability wave, I would lean towards the second one. Our conciousness somehow resolves some sort of probability energy.

Good post for the most part but gonna have to call you on the psychedelic part. Most people do not have experiences like you described.

So does this mean the earth is flat?

Great post.

One thing you didn’t really cover, is the distinction of does consciousness reside inside or outside the simulation. In your first example, you kind of imply that the consciousness is inside the simulation, similar to some people’s belief that consciousness is created from the matter within the brain, so if the matter doesn’t exist outside the simulation, consciousness couldn’t either. I don’t really subscribe to this theory. I think our consciousness exists outside of this 3D body, and controls this body as an avatar. So like a video game, I exist outside the game, but the game creates the physical body that I control.

The other thing you didn’t really cover is the nesting of simulations. I think originally we pool our consciousness together to create the reality we want to cocreate in. But I think that if you look at our current situation, we are closing in on the ability to create virtual worlds within a computer system that will be identical in realism to the natural one (but maybe at a reduced scope in size?) So if we’re at that point, than the option has to exist that perhaps we aren’t in the original cocreated reality, but one that exists within a computer that is within the original cocreated reality. Maybe we exist within a computer created reality, that’s within a computer, that’s within a computer, that’s within a computer … that’s within a computer, that’s in the original reality.

A third type of matrix would be the limitations of our belief systems. It’s pretty clear that the so called elite are sending us to schools that corral us into being working stock for corporations and the elite. They are flooding the channels with misinformation, so that we struggle to have an accurate understanding of reality. Furthermore, we continue to have an increasingly virtual presence, where we are connected more through virtual realms of games, cell phones, etc. and less through natural methods.

To us, a simulation would be putting on VR goggles for now and experiencingthat. Our bodies feel pain and bleed.. maybe we are in some kind of base reality simulation at the same time

As a long-time atheist, discovering simulation theory has been the first thing that has instilled doubt in my mind about the atheistic view of our universe.

It also gives a new perspective (added weight, even) to a number of major conspiracy theories, particularly the Apollo moon landings hoax.

If we are in a simulation, then it is not completely unreasonable to posit that the creators built in finite boundaries to our simulation - aka "Earth" - that the simulants (humans) must remain within. Perhaps we cannot leave the confines of our simulated world anymore than Mario can go beyond the boundaries that the SuperMario game producers put in place.

For us, the boundaries beyond which humans cannot travel might be, say, 10km below the surface of the "planet" (too hot thereafter), or 1000km above the surface of the planet (the so called Van Allen belts being too hot/radioactive beyond this).

The United States and the Soviet Union would have become aware of our planet's boundaries early on the space race, as they attempted (and were unable) to leave the Earth's atmosphere. Perhaps they agreed not to reveal the truth about it because they thought humanity wouldn't be able to handle it. The USSR even stuck to their promise when NASA hoaxed the moon landings.

I believe Neil Armstrong's White House speech about discovering "truth's protective layers" possibly alludes to this.

http://blog.nikoskorpio.net/2016/04/30/truths-protective-layers/

Finally, if we are living in a simulation then many highly "fringe" conspiracy-type theories, like intelligent design and flat earth would suddenly seem not so far fetched.

Makes me wonder why ancient history is kept so secret as well.

To add to the matrix version, a note on the limiters. Quantum physics seems to be the code that the universe is written on and is in the form of virtual memory. When we observe or a particle comes into being it gets added to hard disk memory.

Agreed I personally think it's a mixture of all 3.

Since you seem like you could help me understand this better, in emergence theory it's my understanding that our interpreted reality is made up of a 4D quasicrystal that is a projection of a 8D crystalline structure.

First question how did we come up with the E8 lattice and not a 9D,10D,11D etc?

Second question if we know our preserved reality is only 4D and we know it is coming from a source with more dementions than we can currently experience. Could this help explain the missing dark energy\ matter in our reality?

I think we are all connected to everything by something deeper than quantum entanglement. Could it it be that spirituality and the supernatural are just natural phenomenons that interact with these other dementions of our reality that we can not\have forgotten how to perceive and interact with?

Two more things re your nicely drawn descriptions:

1. The assumption that "if we can simulate a universe then we must already be in a simulated universe" rests on a hypothesis which is "intent". We (cf. future version of us) must WANT to build "ancestor models", because we think we would. That hypothesis presumes, effectively, that something akin to 'curiosity' is the single most fundamental attribute. IOW, for anything to be dynamic (as opposed to static), and our known universe is indeed dynamic, the "desire for change" (rather than just 'change for its own sake") is the most fundamental attribute that underlies not just our universe but any universe that we (or a future advanced 'we') would care to build. I always thought that the famous book "an experiment with time" by Dunne (which posits infinite, contained time lines) offers interesting correlations to this question of 'change'.

2. There is a second fundamental attribute which underlies the Simulation theory, namely, gamesmanship. If we are part of a sophisticated universe constructed by a future version of us, then judging by the universe we see, playing games must be fundamental. As in a "desire to play games". Looking at human history, one can't help but revel at some repeating patterns and coincidences. It's like there are "rules" but the "making of rules" is part of the game. As in we always want to be the ones who are in a position to make the rules, as well as impose the, All wars can be reduced to this one little model "he who has the gold, makes the rules". Yet we are each locked in our own consciousness which is governed by our finiteness. For this last one, Heidegger may have had some interesting things to say (Being and Time).

To my #1 above: the fact that both religion and some version of what we'd call 'science' seemed to spring spontaneously in all human cultures from time immemorial, speaks to the deep human desire for "understanding" and 'assigning intent".

The Mandela effect is laughable. It's no coincidence it only affects things that are likely to be misinterpreted in the first place, rather than the number of planets, the laws of physics or any number of things. No, instead it's corporate logos and book titles, give me a break.

The Mandela effect is an interesting look into the fallibility of the human memory, not some "alternate universe / simulation" nonsense.

The Mandela effect is laughable.

its a real phenomenon though. If you think some of the explanations for it are laughable thats ok, but one thing for certain is that its a real thing and i think its worth figuring out wether it be jumping dimensions or just a brain wiring thing

It's no coincidence it only affects things that are likely to be misinterpreted in the first place, rather than the number of planets, the laws of physics or any number of things. No, instead it's corporate logos and book titles, give me a break.

depending on who you ask it also includes entire countries, the human anatomy, and even the location of earth in our galaxy. much more than just a squiggle on a Ford logo

The Mandela effect is an interesting look into the fallibility of the human memory, not some "alternate universe / simulation" nonsense

that's a valid theory too

It's a real phenomenon, the ability of people to mass misremember small details. There isn't any evidence of it being anything else...it was coined by a paranormal/supernatural writer to sell more books and get interviews, that's about it.

It's no coincidence the laws of physics are exactly the same, and out of the many billions of proteins that exist they all remained intact, where a smallerror could turn them into harmful prions. No, instead it's the names of books that are changed.

I've noticed some things in my life that defy the laws of probability, I don't care to give details but examine your life to see if you have them as well.

problem: your idea of laws of probability can be vastly different to mine.

You'll know when I happens to you. It like betting on the Superbowl and lossing 30 years in a row type of thing (Example. Its possible, but 99.999% improbable)

Improbable if you decided with a coin flip who would win. That isn’t how we decide though.

Betting should effect the outcome, you still have a 50/50 chance of picking a winner (ignoring the point spread for this example). I agree somethings are bias or your tendencies to repeat patterns, but I've seen weird shit that defies sound math logic and only effected me. Just saying in my view it adds to the simulation theory but I still don't believe it 100%.

I know how you feel my dude ✌️ Especially when it comes to gambling, I had a bad addiction and I fully accept that literally no matter how big of an edge you have in some of the skilled games like poker and sports betting.. I had some big anomalies happen that could’ve been huge for me but I’m not meant to be a “professional gambler” lol

Religion. This is the formation of actual contemporary Religions. The scientific-Atheists are actually undergoing a schism in their beliefs. There is simulation theory, singularity, AI, quantum immortality, holo-fractal, etc.. These are all "scientific" beliefs that people think are the way the world works. They are starting to disagree on which way science says we are going.

Someone here will probably explain the specifics of the various belief systems, but understand them for what they are. That doesn't mean one of them is not right, it just means they are beliefs and the religions of today.

Dude, science is all about observation and (re)evaluation.

There's no schism.

The schism is that some people think we are in a simulation, others say we are not in a simulation but approaching a singularity, others say we are in a holofratcal universe, etc.. Some say multiple of those things. That's the schism.

Science doesn't "claim" to know everything.

This is one of the fundamental differences between the scientific and religious though process.

Simulation theory, holofractal universe, singularity, etc.. are all beliefs in the new age-scientific-atheist community. Not to say they are scientists, just that they use "science" ideas to ground their beliefs, beliefs being religious in nature.

sigh...you are hopeless.

this is really interesting to think about

I choose to believe, what I was programmed to believe!

So I had one of my 'science fiction" dreams the other day. I don't remember it exactly but it was something about our memories being written over, using a different operating system. I, the dreamer knew it, but others didn't. The world was kind of grey, an all built-up futuristic skyscrapper world. WE could walk or sort of float in it, but we did not have access to our own original memories. But there was a way around that - I chose to have a reload of the "operating system" which, for a period of time allowed the old memories to surface, sort of, and for a time everything acquired color, and there were real people around, and real thoughts. Then , as time went on, the new planted memories would take over and everything would slowly fade to grey again.

The dream turned into a nightmare when I was told that one can go through this )somewhat painful) reboot only 8 times before the "system" crashed permanently (as in a failing hard drive). And i was on my 7th time and had to make a decision.

So I decided to wake up.

I believe this is a bit how the simulation must work. periodically there are updates and suddenly we all know something that may have happened, except for a few of us. Because no update is perfect and there are glitches in The matrix. So sudden;y one of us will remember something quite differently than the way everyone else does. That happened to me four or five times. It can be something small, or something more consequential.

Also, my dream was no doubt inspired by the failure of two of my hard drives simultaneously. One of which was the backup I used. been busily trying to salvage various bits and pieces.

Reality as we know it on the quantum level is consistent with advanced programming. Binary data bits in the form of electron state, rendering not complete until affected by an outside observer saving data and processing power. Hard limits on the speed of light. Distances not affecting quantum entanglement. Distances between solar systems being so far as to be "non-existant" to us, etc.

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I think the craziest thing about the speed of light is that it is one of the only things in the universe that isn't relative. If you aren't moving at all, light will move away from you at 671 million mph, if you are chasing a light photon at 90% the speed of light, that light photon will still move away from you at 671 million mph. It's because the speed of light is the speed of time, it always moves away from you at the same rate because the closer you come to approaching it's speed, the more time slows down. Once you're theoretically going the speed of light, time just doesn't happen.

It really makes you wonder, though, how come light doesn't move infinitely fast if it isn't constrained by time? The fact that there is a "speed limit" in the universe is very suspicious.

well if the speed of light is the speed of time... isn't that the inherent constraint? the speed of light being restrained allows for the existence of "time."

It is constant, but it isn’t moving relative to something else.

Woah, you just blew my mind a little bit. I always had a hard time reconciling the fact that the speed of light was constant, but your description of time dilation made me get it a little better.

The Fermi Paradox could be solved by the simulation theory.

The idea is civilizations eventually create a virtual reality advanced enough to render their wider participation in the physical world obsolete. Economic and social activities would transition to the simulation. We already see a little bit of this with social media and the internet. So we don't see any interstellar civilizations because they are just playing around in the outernet.

The Fermi Paradox is stupid, and not a real paradox. We are such a miniscule speck even in the galaxy, the idea that we "should have" a clear signal of life is just evidence of how self absorbed we are. The radio signals we've been sending out into space take years just to reach the closest star, hundreds of years before anything significant in our galactic arm, and tens of thousands of years to span the galaxy. And that is just 1 out of billions of galaxies. What type of intergalactic civilization would communicate with something as archaic as radio waves? They will have almost certainly surpassed the light-speed barrier.

Something like the Prime Directive is most likely a big part of galactic life, it is not right to interfere with a growing civilization, especially a bunch of monkeys with nukes.

And lastly, we do have evidence, there are literally hundreds to thousands of recorded sightings every single day. Metallic objects with extremely advanced propulsion systems fly around the earth constantly, it is a very real phenomenon.

Nothing against your idea, I just don't like the Fermi Paradox, it's always thrown around as if it's some sort of proven scientific tenet, it's not.

I'm not sure you fully understand the logic and observations that are the foundation of the theory.

Its not just radio signals. Thinking in terms of Kardashev scale, a species capable of interstellar travel within our galaxy would almost certainly leave traces of some sort such as megastructures in space, satellite clouds, harvesting of solar energy on a massive scale. We see no evidence of this when we examine stars.

Space travel to other stars is incredibly difficult. A species capable of intergalactic travel to other galaxies would be unfathomable to us. They would be so advanced as to be nearly indistinguishable from a God-like, all-powerful entity.

The radio signals we send out are weak but even very strong signals are limited by space and would take years at best to reach other planet systems. Another problem besides travel for an interstellar species.

While the person you are replying to does give a decent argument against the paradox, he forgets about how time can amplify things. There is no reason to think that aliens evolved around the same time as us. There are planets that are far older than our own that could have supported life. A civilization with a mere 10,000 year head start on us would likely be far more advanced, let alone a million or billion year head start. If we manage to survive another 10,000 years, we will likely be able to travel the galaxy. Any aliens that may be out there could have done the same. So, either we are the first, or we are alone.

Because of the time scale we would expect to see artifacts of ancient civilizations in the form of Dyson Spheres and other structures. Probably not actual live civilizations - so perhaps we are the first

There is a small possibility that some other species is at roughly the same level as us, but it is so unlikely that it isn’t worth considering really.

You're completely ignoring much of my post. If aliens followed a prime directive of non-interference, then we wouldn't see them, even if they were there.

Why assume that a galactic civilization would make a giant noticeable mark on a galaxy? As I explained to the other poster, megastructures like dyson spheres are completely unnecessary if you can harness an energy such as zero-point or antimatter, it makes all massive scale construction obsolete. If anything, your civilization being completely visible to anyone who wants to look into the sky makes you a target.

Our telescopic capabilities are not good, we can't see much of anything on a solar system scale. We can only infer the existence of planets by the dimming of stars, we certainly can't see them. Also, most galaxies we do see, we are seeing them as they were millions or billions of years in the past. It's basically impossible to see a distant galaxy at the resolution needed to see life.

Also, you can't just simply rule out UFOs, people record legitimate craft almost every day, it's a real phenomenon. "If there are galactic civilizations, where are they?!?" They're right fucking here, flying around in our atmosphere every day.

First of all, we can't see megastructures, at all. We can barely even tell if there are planets in other solar systems. Maybe some of the objects that pass in front of distant stars and dim their glow are megastructures, we honestly can't tell at this point.

Harvesting solar energy using a dyson sphere is an unbelievably inefficient and cost-intensive way of harnessing energy. Judging by the propulsion of UFO craft that we see all the time, they use an other form of energy, that is likely orders of magnitude more powerful than fusion in a star. Most people say it's taken from the "zero-point field." As Feynman said: "The energy in a single cubic metre of empty space is enough to boil all the oceans of the world." If aliens could harness this type of energy, a dyson sphere would be completely obsolete.

I understand the Sub-lightspeed travel problem and it seems pretty apparent that a galactic civilization would have solved it. The strength of the signal doesn't matter, all radio waves propagate at the speed of light. Why do you assume an intergalactic species has to be unfathomable? They could just be little grey men that tapped into zero-point, found the dimensions we can't see and phased into them to bypass spacetime.. or something.

This is the simulation argument:

At least one of the following propositions must be true:

(1) the human species will go extinct before reaching a “posthuman” stage with computer power to place (simulate) every atom in the universe.

(2) Any posthuman civilization (for whatever reason) does not want to run simulations of their evolutionary history or ancestors

(3) We are almost certainly living in a computer simulation.

One of the above propositions is true.

If one is true, we are not living in a simulation. But if (1) is false, then the chances of us living in a simulation are high.

A 'simulation' of what?

Human existence and the emotions behind what it means to be human

Where?

There is one more possibility. It may be impossible to simulate the universe.

A couple people hit the topic straight on with a lot of people trying to tie it to something else. Let me reinforce what it is but then speak to the probability of it.

The simulation theory states that we’re all computer programs. If you know the computer game “The Sims”, imagine that you and I and everyone else are Sims and the world we live in is that game environment. Clearly our universe is rendered many many times more elaborate and immersive, but really, how much computing power would it take to get a realistic lifelike version of The Sims?

It all boils down to developing the technology necessary to simulate a universe. Even from that, you don’t need to simulate an entire universe, but just the observable universe. Our technology is almost good enough. Maybe in just a few more years we will have computers powerful enough to simulate a universe from The Big Bang and then let the simulation run its course.

Why simulate a universe? Well, imagine if you tweak the variables just slightly enough at the beginning to get a very different universe. If you set up enough universe simulations with observable Earth-like planets then you’re sure to eventually see an advanced civilization rise up. Since it’s a simulation, you can easily fast forward millions or billions of years to see how other civilizations may rise or fall. Since you have the ability to go forward or back in time (think of these simulations as a YouTube video. There’s no reason you couldn’t skip ahead on time to see how your variables play out).

If you have a few simulations running at the top level, then within the simulations they run, there’s bound to be simulations that can reach our technology level or beyond, meaning that those civilizations would also be running their own simulations. With enough computing power between all the different layers and layers of simulations that could exist, it becomes almost certain that we are living in one of those simulated universes as opposed to the “real, original, top layer”.

Whether our civilization gets to the point that we can simulate universes, it’s really a moot point. If we can get there, taken there’s no reason to believe we’re in fact the top layer. Instead, our universe is likely a simulation that’s within another simulation. Hell, we could be 100 simulations deep from the “real world” and we would have no idea.

Our simulation may not even have anyone observing it or playing god. Perhaps it’s just a computer that was set up to run 10.000+ simulations and is only going to alert the creators if our universe or civilization reaches a set defined parameter. We could easily be a “throwaway” universe that doesn’t meet the requirements they’re looking for, so they’re not going to bother even looking at our universe. That still wouldn’t stop us from creating our own universes which could create their own and so on and so forth.

What does that mean for you and I? Not very much from my perspective. Whether this is real or not had no bearing on the outcome of our lives. We all still just have our 100 years of life, so we might as well make the most of it whether we happen to be in the real universe or just one of the infinite number of simulations.

It’s pretty much like impossible for us to test if we’re a simulation too. We have our set of rules and physical laws, and since we can’t change the parameters outside of that, we have no way to test it. Still there are some things to consider that suggest we are a simulation.

Someone mentioned how an electron changes once it is observed. This behavior is similar to a video game. When you play a game, the entire game isn’t loaded up and rendered. You only load one level at a time and even then it loads in pits and pieces only where the player can see. This reduces the amount of processing power needed. There’s no reason a computer simulation wouldn’t work the same way.

It’s the most interesting “conspiracy theory” on my opinion since the logic behind it points to it being practically 100% certain that we are in fact in a simulation. Really really interesting stuff to me.

Look up “The Simulation Argument” by Nick Bostrom. As far as I can tell, that was the first scientific thought put towards this topic and does a good job of outlining why it’s almost a certainty that we’RE in a simulation. For an interesting movie that kind of deals with this, watch “The Thirteenth Floor”. It probably goes without saying, but also watch “The Matrix” and “Inception” if you haven’t seen these two very popular movies since they deal with this idea on some level as well.

watch “The Thirteenth Floor”

Excellent suggestion.

I suggest looking into the ME. Although it will probably only open more questions than answers if it does apply to you. One thing it has proven is that reality isn't fixed, history isn't fixed. Make of that what you will.

Sorry, but the ME hasn’t proven anything other than people misremember stuff all the time.

not to you.

Like for real.. a lot of ME’s can be explained.. but the Panic At the Disco ME is for sure 100% a glitch in the Matrix. Even the lead singer said that was some Berenstain / Berenstein shit on Twitter

well the implication that results is the same. anyway I've seen geography and anatomy change and no it's not my memory gone bonkers. you can ask my family members about my memory. shit I can still remember the make, model and color of the car my primary teacher in grade 8 drove... and actually I even got the fucking geography award back then too.

I call it a microverse.

You have of course heard of virtual reality in terms of computers and cyberspace, well what the people who subscribe to the "Simulation Theory" believe is that we are and are already in a kind of virtual reality that is very much like that.

It's the final ploy of the Illuminati.

Convince you there is no God.

Attempt to explain the entire universe without a guiding force behind it.

Convince you the only way that is possible without God is that we live in some sort of computer simulation. (How that doesn't reveal some sort of God-like entity is a major contradiction).

Replace the Godless simulation with a man-made one. The enslavement of humanity.

I think that’s up for interpretation.. it’s also very possible we are in base reality created by God, and that’s what I firmly believe. I think the people who implant themselves with the mark of the beast will be trapped by some advanced technology that will keep our souls from ascending past this plane. That’s my take on it anyway.

I'll add to what others have more or less said in a concise manner:

1) There is a high probability that humans will develop the technology to create a fully simulated environment, even by generating players in the game who may not be aware that they are in a simulation. Maybe it'll take 1,000 years but it's a trajectory.

2) If this is true, then one has to accept the possibility that we ourselves are living in such a simulation... right now. This is especially true if we accept the likelihood that there are beings far more advanced than humans out there. At which point we are in their simulation.

I'm bastardizing someone's theory, but I don't recall whose.

The world is a dream and we are all dreamers. 3 Dimensions is an illusion.

Simulation theory in a nutshell:

Computer technology is a relatively simple technology and has developed from from Pong to realistic 3D games indistinguishable from real life in just 80 years. Knowing this, we can check the simulation theory on those premises.

Any advanced species will develop some kind of computing to outsource calculations and make it easier.

It is highly unlikely that we are the first advanced species to exist in the universe.

Therefor it is highly likely that some species has already developed advanced computing, therefor has advanced simulation.

So many people think that an advanced simulation would have to simulate every atom in the universe itself and that the computing capacity would be impossible to achieve for any kind of technology. Those people have not understood how modern video gaming works.

Basically we have two methods for advanced simulation, that makes universe simulation actually achievable.

• vector and voxel technology, basically instead of simulating every pixel, we use math to interpolate the pixel to infinity

• map loading, basically we only load what we can see and need, therefor all other galaxies and far enough stars could be simply an advanced form of background. with our technology we could never check because they are too far away

If an advanced species runs a simulation, and it is highly likely that such species exist, they will at some point in time try to simulate worlds and universes just like we do for games.

If there is only 1 single species in the universe who happens to run an universe simulation, then it will be impossible to tell if our universe is a real existing universe or a simulation.

Simulation theory now is trying to find out if we are indeed in a simulation and how we can verify or break the game.

It doesn’t need to be another species. It could be us in the future. One could argue that the observable universe is there because we live in a simulation. It is explained by the speed of light, but the speed of light may have been set to make it easier to compute.

That’s it. We’re definitely in a simulation, LETS BREAK IT FOR FUN! 😂😂

It is to mock you. The elite say it's a simulation, because they control everything down to the minute details necessary to create Your reality. Therefore it's a simulation. They are just mocking us

It's stupid. It's basically: If a universe could be made of purple cheese, and time exists long enough, then statistically eventually there must be a universe made of purple cheese, therefore we must live in a universe made of purple cheese. Only replace "purple cheese" with "a simulation". Basically it's argument by lack of imagination: "I can only think of one possibility, therefore that possibility must be true!"

I've heard conspiracy mongers like Linda Moulton Howe make allusions to something about iterations, like our laws of physics supposedly show evidence that the universe has gone through iterations, and simulations work by going through zillions of iterations and examining them. But they never explain wtf they are talking about thoroughly, and I can't find any articles on the internet about it.

Maybe I'm wrong but it seems that proving we do or don't live in a simulation from within the simulation is empirically impossible.

You aren’t even close to what the simulation theory is about. If we can simulate our universe, and that simulated universe can do the same, then it is infinitely more likely that our universe is simulated. To try and test for it, we can look for this in reality that behave like we would expect a simulation to behave. Some evidence of that is the Planck length and the constant speed of light making the observable universe.

Awesome comment below, can't really add much onto that. I just want to say one thing though: With the way that we're heading with technology, AI and VR particularly. It wouldn't surprise me to see us building some sort of simulated reality (whether it be entirely AI or full blown immersion) in the next 100+ years.

The general idea is that if we're able to accomplish such a task, the idea that another species/civilization has done it before us and that we are currently living in said simulation. (This comes with the AI idea).

This has been my view on it, but other comments are interesting as well.

Here's a documentary on the subject that explains the science behind it pretty well: https://np.reddit.com/r/Documentaries/comments/7u43q9/the_simulation_hypothesis_2015_is_the_universe/

The intro is not that great, the interesting stuff starts at 13:27.

My understanding of the matrix version.

The discovery of the higgs field gives credence to the idea that the physical universe isn't itself, rather a bunch of indicators which interact with another 'dimension'; one which is infinite in energy. These indicators which our physical universe is made of, indicate to the higgs field how much mass/energy to let pass through into the universe which goes onto manifest matter itself.

Then one might think, that if this is true then this (physical universe) might be some kind of 'simulation' as if it exists in a computer like thing or something that is a part of another greater thing.

I haven't read into it too much. However, my understanding is this:

If we lived in a simulation, there'd be virtually no way to detect it. Anything you try to point to could be explained as just a quirk of physics. The time it takes for a simulation would be irrelevant, as we would only experience time at a rate proportional to how fast we're simulated.

I think the idea of being in a simulation is close to meaningless. Would the parameters of your life really change?

A simulation created by God changes my life actually because now things make fucking sense

Imo it’s a byproduct of reason relying on the implication and the inability to prove one’s axioms. If you understand the universe, then you can computationally model it (or at least sub parts). Upon realizing this, we note that if this is the only kind of understanding we can have of the world, then the world is indistinguishable from one which is itself a computational model.

So, IMO, it’s just another way to phrase that we are in Plato’s cave.

https://youtu.be/tlTKTTt47WE check this out hommie

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I'll use the video game Minecraft as an example of my own personal theory. In the game the world is procedurally generated, which means that as you move around, the map is somewhat randomly generated based on where your character is located, let's call this the focal point. While playing, you can look around and see the world. But everything that you don't see has not loaded in yet. They do this to save processing power. Now imagine that earth and our immediate vicinity is a focal point. It's loaded in just like what you would see on your screen in the game. The computer couldn't run the entire universe at once due to the amount of processing power it would take so instead has a focal point which would be us and procedurally generates what is beyond us. Also planck length acts the same as a pixel. Technically we are pixelated just like the character in minecraft.

It's crap that Elon Musk says to get in the news so he can sell cars.

When scientists run experiments they do it multiple times and from the variance they trace a form from reality. (re:maxwell). This internal abstract form is used to perceive external reality, so there are infinite number of possible forms. Hume's principle (adding some Bergson too) states that nature is chaotic but by applying our abstract forms we are able to perceive a course of action within the chaos. This helps engineer solutions to reality problems, which is mostly the point. However, when our path of action is not immediately clear to us to engineer such solutions YET ALSO we are presented with a perception of a reality based on forms (like reading about blackholes in Scholastics) we are put in a position where we are invited to literalize these forms, in their infinite variety, as if they are reality. Sad symptom.

They were installing patches to the Earth server.. that explains the 5 mass extinctions 😂😂

That's not the case.

Well, you can call bullshit and think you did well or you could ask questions and gain information and then decide for yourself, possibly gaining knowledge in the end (even if you don't buy I thumbprinted, you do acknowledge some people have thumprinted and that they might have interesting thing to tell you, right?) . It's good to see where your priorities are.

Ah, I get it now. Damn, where’s Frodo when you need him.

I'm very curious about your experience. Please describe as much as you'd like. Forget the people already doubting your story without first hearing some details. Thanks man.

They could, but you should really only downvote comments that don’t add or create discussion. For instance, somebody down-voted your explanation. That was wrong, you were adding to the discussion.

It doesn’t need to be another species. It could be us in the future. One could argue that the observable universe is there because we live in a simulation. It is explained by the speed of light, but the speed of light may have been set to make it easier to compute.

Improbable if you decided with a coin flip who would win. That isn’t how we decide though.

That’s it. We’re definitely in a simulation, LETS BREAK IT FOR FUN! 😂😂

I know how you feel my dude ✌️ Especially when it comes to gambling, I had a bad addiction and I fully accept that literally no matter how big of an edge you have in some of the skilled games like poker and sports betting.. I had some big anomalies happen that could’ve been huge for me but I’m not meant to be a “professional gambler” lol

Simulation theory, holofractal universe, singularity, etc.. are all beliefs in the new age-scientific-atheist community. Not to say they are scientists, just that they use "science" ideas to ground their beliefs, beliefs being religious in nature.