Global espionage. Of course it’s going to be fishy

I'm sure I saw this exact post earlier

It may just have been the usage of "fishy" I noticed.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/84d43e/so_fishy_you_could_batter_it_and_sell_it_with

Thatsbthe word of the day of the last 2 days.

thats because this is an obvious false flag and this sub has been flooded with pawns saying, "oh, look what Russia's doing now"!

The blatant emotional manipulation doesnt get any more obvious but those still sleeping think its a cut and dried deal.

I disagree.

It was a Russian state sponsored assassination attempt.

Thanks for your reiteration of the approved narrative.

have any more gems from mainstream media for us?

Not right now.

Do you have any Russian propaganda you'd like to repeat?

Im just speaking from a place of reason.

When my Masters say, "Hate that country!", I realize they are merely trying to control my thought process in a way which benefits them, and not me.

Maybe soon, you'll stop jumping through the hoops your Masters put before you.

Theresa May is not my master, far from it, I think she is a massive cunt.

But she's got this one right.

Youre fully unaware of whom you're following.

Ill just call him "Popular Opinion".

You know what this is all about?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_military_intervention_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War

Actually it makes perfect sense. If it is a false flag.

We have seen a lot of the general population call people guilty without trial lately. We may be seeing an extension of that trend.

You know what's fishy? How this subreddit is getting spammed with posts about Russia being innocent. All from different accounts, using the same buzzwords. That seems fishy.

You know what else is? Old accounts that were abandoned and just started to start commenting in the last year.

lmao.... i like your informative angle

Good catch, 6 years on reddit, until 16 days ago just 22 posts over the 6 years. Last post 2+ years ago.

Suddenly 16 days ago the account awakens - 150+ posts entirely anti-Trump, anti-Russia.

Fishy is an understatement.

Discuss the topic and quit being an ass. Downvoted.

Red Scare!

Russophobia!

Anti-Russian hysteria!

Removed. Rule 10.

The poisoning makes sense if you want it to be easily traced back to Russia. So in the case that Russia wants their murder to be public as a tool for intimidation, using a tool that can only be traced to Russia makes sense. Using a gun or other more common method would leave room for reasonable doubt that it wasn't Russia.

Obviously the fuck up was a mistake, you can't account for that.

Did they deny it vehemently? Seems to me they just denied it. And that's the usual M.O for rogue state actors - do shady shit and them deny. I'd they didn't deny any response would have full legitimacy, which they don't want.

Wait so now the fact that they denied it is somehow proof that they are guilty?

No, just that their denial means absolutely nothing.

That's just part of the kabuki theater of diplomacy.

How did they fuck it up?

didn't kill the guy targeted

Yet.

lot of other people affected (like the daughter, responding cop) that were not the target (supposedly)

Are you telling me that, if your goal is to intimidate other spies, that the possibility of your family also dying...is a fuck up?

Uhm... you're trying to say that Russia is trying to make it obvious they attempted to murder someone.

Can you perform any more mental gymnastics that make absolutely no sense?

Yeah, it would be pretty serious intimidation if they did. Doesnt really require any gymnastics at all really, it's been Russia's MO for decades.

lmao

It's force projection. The "mental gymnastics" necessary to understand this amount to a single hop.

only if your idea of "understanding" is the innate ability to swallow a steaming hot pile of obvous bulkshit and do it with a grin.

You could have just said "No ur dumb" and saved us all the anguish of slogging through your clumsy prose.

You're being sarcastic, right? There's no way that could be a serious statement if you know anything about Putin.

I get the impression that a lot of folks here don't know much about Putin.

I get the impression you've taken the bait and swallowed a hook.

We'll miss you.

My opinions have formed after witnessing things first hand. How have you drawn your conclusions?

You won't see me here defending world leaders, so it makes me question which of us has taken the bait.

My opinions have formed after witnessing things first hand.

Holy shit...

You witnessed this guy get poisoned FIRST HAND?!

Oh I think you forgot that you responded to my comment about Putin. Easy mistake when you're just trying to be condescending.

Listen, none of your comments are about having any sort of dialogue, they're just name calling and mocking, which is a waste of my time. So have a good day.

You used the phrase "witnessed first hand" because it sounds dramatic and you thought it lent some weight to the bullshit you're pushing.

Im only condescending in my comments to those that are intent on swallowing bullshit whole and shamelessly advocate it to the group so, if Im a dick to you, you've fucking earned it.

There are at least three other nations that are capable of and have produced novichok: US, UK, and Israel.

They don't need to leave a calling card stating they did it. The fact the fella died under suspicious circumstances would have been sufficient to cause fear amongst other Russian dissidents/ex spys. To use a WMD on a public street thereby threatening emergency services and innocent members of the public is perfect to continue with the anti-Russian sentiment, also put Trump on the spot having to either denounce Putin and Russia and thereby cause a possible rift in their close relationship or say nothing and have the label of Putins bedfellow. Same goes for Corbyn who's asked for proof, especialy when Labour are ahead in the polls, already causing rifts in Labour party and new material for the usual Corbyn bashing.

You don't need to do that. The moment a double agent is dead all suspisions will fall on rival agency or foreign agent, you know the people that want him dead. This is not the 1960's were you need to sign your crime. You just have to get rid of the target andbe done with it.

To me it sounds and feels fishy.

The notion that they would give the west ammo for their years long Russian persecution campaign is fatuous tripe. It is the talking point of the moment, sure, but it holds no water when examined. Simply ridiculous.

False flag to help the tories retain public support

Its obvious bullshit.

Guys, Putin has had a lot of people killed but he's totally innocent this time.

Putin is simultaneously an evil genius who can make the White house dance to his tune, whilst also conducting political assassinations in a public and innept manner.

What does the Kremlin serve to gain from these actions, why not be more clandestine?

Why raise tentions in an already tense political climate?

He's not inept; he just faces no consequences.

Other countries have the nerve agent, read somewhere even Cuba had some lol

It's anyone's guess who perpetrated the attack really. UK is saying it's russia but we don't have that evidence yet. Trump said they were getting in contact yesterday to see that and "getting the facts straight" so we'll see what happens

I think May has just gone psychotic lol

Came here to see if anyone else felt like this.

Why would Russia do it now, so obviously (same manner as the most famous Russian assassination in the UK), and escalate things when they're in so much shit already? It doesn't make any sense.

It's a false flag being blamed on Russia. Not sure of the motive besides more demonizing of Russia. This Red Scare 2.0 is getting so tiresome in the States. It's so transparent I can't believe people fall for it.

seriously.

no wonder TPTB pull this shit, the thought process ofthe average person makes it way too easy.

The reason they don't do this secretively, is because they have many times said that if you betray Russia, they will find you and then kill you in the most brutal way possible. A former spy is not an active threat to Russia, they do it this way and so openly because 1. they know noone can really punish them 2. to send a message to both other former traitors and people aspiring to become one.

Why do you think they used polonium on that journalist, while it could literally be traced back to the frontdoor of the Kremlin. I mean, I'm not saying that this can not be a false flag, however Russia likes to give a show with their style of excecutions, both in Russia and outside of Russia.

Why now though?

As you say : A former spy is not an active threat to Russia.

It makes no sense whatsoever to do it now in the midst of this anti-Russian hysteria.

As you say : A former spy is not an active threat to Russia.

I don't agree with that poster. A former spy still has knowledge, still has connections, still has things to offer and ways to shake things up.

It makes no sense whatsoever to do it now in the midst of this anti-Russian hysteria.

Please. Half of the US is committed to calling it hysteria whether it's valid or not, including its President. Russia has never had more leeway.

Well the thing is that they've killed more ex-counterspies in recent times. The real interesting question is why they are using nerv agents to do so.

Also Europe's opinion of Russia hasn't changed in any way because of them trying to influence your election, we've seen this happen a million times before. You also appear to forget that they are still occupying a part of Ukraine on Europe territory, which automatically puts them under a permanent magnifying glass. I wouldn't really call that

anti-Russian hysteria.

But more a matter of common sense, and a logical result of Russia's past and current actions.

Russia isn't "in shit" at all. All of their provocations over the past few years have paid off. Crimea and Syria most obviously.

How do you think this will pay off for them?

Total false flag. Once again Russia is the bogey man and they have NO evidence at all. TPTB are really trying to stir up shit with Russia.

They did it before with the Russian apartment bombings.

Residents of an apartment complex had reported unusual activity in the basement and observed that three people in a car with partially papered-over license plates had unloaded sacks whose contents they couldn’t make out. A professional bomb squad arrived and discovered that the sacks contained not only sugar but also explosives, including hexogen, and that a detonator was attached. After the sacks were examined and removed, they were sent by the local FSB to Moscow.

The entire apartment building was evacuated. Local authorities found the car used by the three who had planted the explosives, a white Zhiguli, in a nearby parking lot. To their astonishment the license plates were traced to the FSB. And when they apprehended two of the suspects, it turned out that they were FSB employees, who were soon released on orders from Moscow.

After a day and a half of silence, Patrushev announced on television that the apparent bomb had been part of a “training exercise” and that the sacks contained only sugar. The local Ryazan FSB and regular police, who had been combing the city for more explosives, expressed outrage. In the words of one police official: “Our preliminary tests showed the presence of explosives…. As far as we were concerned, the danger was real.”

A central question involved the materials used in the explosives. The day after the first Moscow apartment bombing, an FSB spokesman said that both hexogen and TNT were discovered. Patrushev himself confirmed this in his September television interview. But by March 2000 the FSB had changed its story and claimed that hexogen had not been used in the bombs. In fact, several Russian investigative journalists were able to demonstrate that hexogen was the key ingredient in all of the bombs and that hexogen can only be obtained from Russian government facilities under the control of the FSB. According to Novaya gazeta reporter Pavel Voloshin:

The targets, perpetrators and zakazchiki [those who gave orders] of the terrorist acts can be determined by the provenance of the explosives. The circulation of explosive substances in Russia is under strict state control…. To “conceal” a supply of hexogen by skirting the existing rules is de facto impossible.

Yes, thank you. All this talk about anti-Russian "propaganda" makes me think most people here haven't ever taken the time to understand what Russia is all about. Which is weird because they are ripe with brutal and consequential conspiracies.

Yep. There is certainly a lot of posts about it lately.

All this "red scare" and "Russophobia" and "anti-Russian propaganda" stuff is propaganda. The goal is to paint any negative assessment of Russia as hysterical. The point is to discredit any indication that their God Emporer Trump might have colluded with them. I'd find it a lot more believable if they were honest about Russia. Admitting that Russia is corrupt and their foreign policy hinges on bullying and constantly testing boundaries would in no way constitute any form of admission of colluding with Trump.

Agreed. Trump is whatever. He's a temporary world leader who has no idea what he's doing. Putin will outlast him and play him for everything he's worth. I lived in the former Soviet Union for a time and those Eastern European states have known that Russia's intention was to reclaim them. They told me that 10 years before Crimea. They know what's coming. They've lived through it before and are prepared to fight and die to not be part of Russia again. We saw that in Ukraine in 2014 (which people seem to have forgotten about) Russia is Hardly a harmless player on the world stage.

Do you know why you became a victim of Sudden Onset Russophobia? Do you remember when your symptoms started? I do. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_military_intervention_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War

Do you know who has always pushed an Anti-Russian narrative ? I do. https://www.thejc.com/comment/comment/russia-is-the-global-leader-in-jew-hate-1.433603

Do you know why you're being made to hate and fear the diabolical Russians? I do. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_the_Iran%E2%80%93Israel_proxy_conflict

Do you know how long this Russian vs. Jew dynamic has been made your gentile battleground? A long time ;)

Question: How do you plan on living through World War 3? Because that's where your reckless Russophobia is taking us.

Oh yeah, thanks for the whole "You're provoking WW3 ;_;" concern trolling, I forgot that component. Yall are a desperate, pathetic bunch.

^ Bear-baited. ^

Removed. Rule 10.

Pretty sure you're an Israeli

The UK are just pissy that Russia are hosting the next World Cup in 2018 and FIFA keep turning the UK down.

When there are no consequences, why try to hide your actions?

There are consequences, the consequences are happening now. And I'm sure that anyone who planned to use a nerve agent (WMD) in a public place knew the kind of worldwide revulsion that would take place. This is why it appears not to benefit Russia, but benefit Russia's enemies,.

It has successfully achieved exactly what it was intended to achieve (ie. worldwide revulsion, distancing of all world leaders incl. Trump), with the knock-on effect of causing Corbin issues and probably will lower Labour in the polls. I thought Russia played a careful geopolitical game, played the game like a game of chess, this is the opposite of that. There are no immediate or even longterm gains to make from a move such as this.

If America or the UK had a spy defect to Russia, they would also kill them. This is normal stuff, yet another instance of "its only bad if muh russia"

muh

Christ almighty, will 2013 ever end?

Gefilte Fishy

Three possibilities:

1. Russia did it and wants everyone to know it (intimidation)
2. Someone is framing Russia in a false flag
3. Russia did it so that May would take the bait. This is making her very popular in the UK - right at the time that even her own party was turning on her. This will reinforce the wedge between the parties in the UK, which is in line with Russian agitprop

Who gains?

Immediately all Western leaders are supposed to back the UK in condemning Russia and Putin, will Trump? If he does, he's distanced himself from Putin which many have wanted him to do, if he doens't he loses face in the US.

Will Corbyn denounce Russia and Putin? Not yet, he's asked for evidence. All ready we have many Labour MP's against their leader and more of the usual anti-Corbyn headlines about him being a a Putin supporter. Just when Labour are several points ahead in the polls.

And finally, the usual anti-Russia rhetoric throughout the Western world.

Yes, it does seem fishy, especially when Putin appears to gain nothing.

Reddit has seriously become so controlled that this narrative is pummeled into the ground at every corner? That is not organic and we all damn well know it.

Theyve killed this sub. Damn. With it they're on their way to effectively killing Reddit. Reddit will be a dance of Fox and CNN style interests, another mouthpiece of highly Co trolled propaganda.

Super depressing stuff. This sub has become about as useless as r/news.

lmao.... i like your informative angle

Good catch, 6 years on reddit, until 16 days ago just 22 posts over the 6 years. Last post 2+ years ago.

Suddenly 16 days ago the account awakens - 150+ posts entirely anti-Trump, anti-Russia.

Fishy is an understatement.

Yes, thank you. All this talk about anti-Russian "propaganda" makes me think most people here haven't ever taken the time to understand what Russia is all about. Which is weird because they are ripe with brutal and consequential conspiracies.

Agreed. Trump is whatever. He's a temporary world leader who has no idea what he's doing. Putin will outlast him and play him for everything he's worth. I lived in the former Soviet Union for a time and those Eastern European states have known that Russia's intention was to reclaim them. They told me that 10 years before Crimea. They know what's coming. They've lived through it before and are prepared to fight and die to not be part of Russia again. We saw that in Ukraine in 2014 (which people seem to have forgotten about) Russia is Hardly a harmless player on the world stage.

I get the impression you've taken the bait and swallowed a hook.

We'll miss you.

Pretty sure you're an Israeli

Do you know why you became a victim of Sudden Onset Russophobia? Do you remember when your symptoms started? I do. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_military_intervention_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War

Do you know who has always pushed an Anti-Russian narrative ? I do. https://www.thejc.com/comment/comment/russia-is-the-global-leader-in-jew-hate-1.433603

Do you know why you're being made to hate and fear the diabolical Russians? I do. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_the_Iran%E2%80%93Israel_proxy_conflict

Do you know how long this Russian vs. Jew dynamic has been made your gentile battleground? A long time ;)

Question: How do you plan on living through World War 3? Because that's where your reckless Russophobia is taking us.