http://johnnygosch.com : On September 5, 1982, Johnny Gosch, 12, disappeared while delivering newspapers in West Des Moines, Iowa. For the next 30 years his mother Noreen devoted her life to finding out what happened.

Did this movie ever get made?

https://decider.com/2016/09/26/who-took-johnny-the-documentary-about-the-infamous-cold-case-is-now-on-netflix/ ; it looks like it was on netflix at one point.

PDF Source Information(Warning: some of this material could be disinformation as well. Please research.):

http://www.metaphysicspirit.com/books/Confessions%20of%20Aleister%20Crowley.pdf

http://www.tomegatherion.co.uk/tmta4sample.pdf

https://darkbooks.org/pp.php?v=2106186025

https://archive.org/details/CollectedPdfsByAleisterCrowley

I LOVE that you reminded that some of this could be disinfo. This thread is seriously a breath of fresh air. Great, level arguments on both sides. Thank you for your work!

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And if anyone was thinking this is isolated think again https://youtu.be/DFZRQcSMeeM

What did that comment say?

Typical Traflorkian...

Hello. I'm Dr. Glip Glop.

That's unfortunate.

FBI Director for 20+ years Ted Gunderson speaking about the Franklin Coverup.

https://youtu.be/ST1zqhCqHW4

All that matters is getting the point across that moral relativism does not exist.

You ( or the plural government you) don't get to commit violence. Just The same anyone else.

Gonna take this opportunity to share some links about all of these topics.

SP on magick that talks about Crowley as well- https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7xdss5/magick_and_the_occult/

This is the wiki entry for Hermeticism, a fantastic place for anyone who wishes to begin investigating the ideas surrounding Hermes Trismigestus, the Mystery Schools, and more-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermeticism

This is a good primer for Gnosis and also dives in to Hermetic magick- http://gnosis.org/hermes.htm

Here is a link to start research on Thoth, the Egyptian god of writing and Magick, who was also associated with Hermes in the Greek Mythological tradition. http://www.crystalinks.com/thoth.html

This is an excellent primer on Occult Numerology and symbolism- http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1766.cfm

Here is a primer from wiki on Crowleys' definition of Magick and a rundown of this Thelema, an absolutely essential piece to understanding the modern Occult- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magick_(Thelema)

Here is a place to start on John Dee and Edward Kelley, the men responsible for "channeling" the instructions to Enochian Summoning Magick, which is utilized by Mediums and anyone who is serious about communicating with other spiritual entities. He worked part in parcel with the Medium Edward Kelly in their attempts to discover this Magick system- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dee

Here is the wiki on Edward Kelly- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Kelley

The History of Magic and the Occult (Book)- by Kurt Seligmann

Memetic Magick: Manipulation of the Root Social Matrix and the Fabric of Reality, by Kirk Packwood (book/PDF) https://occult.info/chaos-magic/Memetic-Magic-Manipulation-of-the-Root-Social-Matrix-and-the-Fabric-of-Reality.pdf

Franklin cover up Doc (Conspiracy of Silence) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBSIDQt5Dwc&t=207s

Dutroux Affair- https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1cm0t3/original_research_the_mountain_of_evidence_for_a/

Some more recent shenanigans- Dennis Hastert, former US Speaker of the House, banned from being alone with children- https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/13/us/dennis-hastert-restrictions-children/index.html

Longer version of link from another user in this thread, Ted Gunderson and his discussion of the Socal daycare scandal- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4qWYv67XA4

Unfortunately, Ted is not a reliable source of intel: https://isgp-studies.com/mcmartin-preschool-satanic-ritual-abuse-case-debbie-nathan

He also loved to shill William Guy Carr.

A man who has the credentials to prove he was FBI and a creator in CoIntelPro, with documented history of other whistleblowers backing his credentials, like Gene Tatum who revealed the Oliver North scandal, you are trying to say that this massive conspiracy he showed all of his work for, is wrong because you don't support the results of the tunnels.

Can you discredit all the info in his reports? Or just try to tarnish the name and thus the whole conspiracy by association?

Gunderson isn't a primary source for any of the shit he talks about, with the notable exception of the McMartin tunnel. It seems more than likely the tunnel was a hoax, and I also find it EXTREMELY troubling that he's recommending William Guy Carr as THE GO TO SOURCE for information. Carr flat out lied about some pretty heavy shit, aside from the fact that pretty much nothing in his book is sourced, at all. So, yeah, I'm saying "be careful who you listen to".

/r/reallifeconspiracy

Wait a second, but is your ISGP article supposed to discredit Ted Gunderson? Seriously, have you actually listened to the man speak or read any of his writing? If you're casting shade on Gunderson, that article did little to nothing to doubt him. For anyone else reading this, just listen to Gunderson speak on some of these topics, read the ISGP article and other criticisms of him if you so choose, and come to an informed decision. I found him highly credible and definitely didn't get the impression he was in it for money or personal recognition, but what do I know.

If that article doesn't bother you then you're not trustworthy either.

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also remember Aleister Crowley's role in Rocketry and the Scientology movement.

After a brief involvement with Marxism in 1939, Parsons converted to Thelema, the English occultist Aleister Crowley's new religious movement. In 1941, alongside his first wife Helen Northrup, Parsons joined the Agape Lodge, the Californian branch of the Thelemite Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.). At Crowley's bidding, he replaced Wilfred Talbot Smith as its leader in 1942 and ran the Lodge from his mansion on Orange Grove Avenue. Parsons was expelled from JPL and Aerojet in 1944 due to the Lodge's infamy and allegedly illicit activities, along with his hazardous workplace conduct.

In 1945 Parsons separated from Helen after having an affair with her sister Sara; when Sara left him for L. Ron Hubbard, he conducted the Babalon Working, a series of rituals designed to invoke the Thelemic goddess Babalon to Earth. He and Hubbard continued the procedure with Marjorie Cameron, whom Parsons married in 1946. After Hubbard and Sara defrauded him of his life savings, Parsons resigned from the O.T.O. and went through various jobs while acting as a consultant for the Israeli rocket program. Amid the climate of McCarthyism, he was accused of espionage and left unable to work in rocketry. In 1952, Parsons died at the age of 37 in a home laboratory explosion that attracted national media attention; the police ruled it an accident, but many associates suspected suicide or assassination.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Parsons_(rocket_engineer)

This facet of Crowley is probably the best fit for /r/conspiracy. It is substantiated, has a lot of juicy and salacious details and involves a high-level individual wrapped up in a weird esoteric practice. Not to mention the twisty-turney line of connections that Hubbard and Parsons both had throughout government/technology and business at the time.

Hubbard was a flim-flam man and Parsons may have been one of his earliest victims.

From mere descriptions of L. Ron's behavior, Crowley identified that he was a con man, writing in a letter, "Suspect Ron playing confidence trick -- Jack Parsons weak fool -- obvious victim prowling swindlers." Hubbard had an ability to totally charm some people, but at the expense of being completely transparent to others.

''Black magic is not a myth. It is a totally unscientific and emotional form of magic, but it does get results — of an extremely temporary nature. The recoil upon those who practice it is terrific.

It is like looking for an escape of gas with a lighted candle. As far as the search goes, there is little fear of failure! To practice black magic you have to violate every principle of science, decency, and intelligence. You must be obsessed with an insane idea of the importance of the petty object of your wretched and selfish desires.

I have been accused of being a "black magician." No more foolish statement was ever made about me. I despise the thing to such an extent that I can hardly believe in the existence of people so debased and idiotic as to practice it.''

The few times Crowley did practice black magick (which is not a part of his magical system in the least), it did recoil terribly on him.

I have struggled to find the quote ever since I read it, but I recall someone close to Crowley stating that, in their opinion, Crowley was destroyed by the Magick itself. Are you familiar with the quote? I would love to have it available for discussions like this in future.

Can you cite any specific examples of black magicians that have successfully performed magick, and also the implied recoils?

Crowley ate shit, called himself "the great beast 666", bragged about sodomizing his daughter, fucked goats, slit a goats throat during intercoarse with his partner, of which many killed themselves. I mean... jeez, u say "the few times crowley did practice black magick" - his whole life was about defaming God after his Dad died randomly as a child. He was going to be a preacher but got so enraged at his fathers untimely death that he took it upon himself to desecrate all that he could. Any decent person wouldn't JOKE with you about anything this guy does...

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Good shit. And probably a good place to drop my esoteric red pill accordingly:

• Freemasonry and the Hermetic Arts

• Freemasonry and Hermetica – Discourse of Hermes Trismegistus

• Hermetic and Kabbalistic Foundation of Masonic Symbolism (according to a Mason)

• Esoteric Freemasonry

• Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry by Albert Pike

• The Meaning of Masonry, A Lecture by Albert Pike

• The Book of Words by Albert Pike

• The Moral Teachings in Freemasonry by J.S.M. Ward

• The Secret Tradition in Freemasonry by Arthur Edward Waite

• Some Deeper Aspects of Masonic Symbolism by Arthur Edward Waite

• Mystic Masonry: The Symbols Of Freemasonry and The Greater Mysteries of Antiquity by J.D. Buck, M.D., F.T.S., S.R. 32°

• The Symbolism of Freemasonry by Albert G. Mackey

• Stellar Theology and Masonic Astronomy by Robert Hewit Brown

• The Mysteries of Freemasonry by Captain William Morgan

• The Lost Keys of Freemasonry or The Secret of Hiram Abiff by Manly P. Hall

Material more esoteric in nature:

• The Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly P. Hall

• The Magical Revival by Kenneth Grant

• The Western Esoteric Traditions: A Historical Introduction by Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke

• The Arcane Schools: A Review of their Origin and Antiquity with a History of Freemasonry and its Relation to the Theosophic, Scientific, and Philosophic Mysteries by John Yarker, 33° 90° 97° by John Yarker

• A Guide for the New Esoteric Freemason, by Bro. William Steve Burkle KT, 32°, KRBE

• Letter to a Brazilian Mason by Marcelo Ramos Motta

• The Emerald Tablet of Hermes

• The Corpus Hermeticum & Hermetic Tradition

• The Kybalion: A Study of The Hermetic Philosophy of Ancient Egypt and Greece by Three Initiates

• In Search of the Miraculous: Fragments of an Unknown Teaching by P. D. Ouspensky

• Modern Magick: Twelve Lessons in the High Magickal Arts by Donald Michael Kraig

• Initiation Into Hermetics by Franz Bardon

• Student Reading Curriculum of the A∴A∴ (Extended Reading List)

• The Mystical & Magical System of the A∴A∴ by James Eshelman

• The Key of the Mysteries by Eliphas Levi (trans. by Aleister Crowley)

• Self-Initiation Into The Golden Dawn by Cicero (Part II)

• The Complete Golden Dawn by Israel Regardie

• Transcendental Magic, It's Doctrine and Ritual by Eliphas Levi (trans. by Arthur Edward Waite)

• Rituel et Dogme de la Haute Magie by (Ritual and Dogma of High Magic) by Eliphas Levi (trans. by Arthur Edward Waite) (Part II)

• The Tree of Life: An Illustrated Study in Magic by Israel Regardie

• Magick in Theory and Practice by Aleister Crowley

• 777 and other Qabalistic Writings of Aleister Crowley

• light.org | Hermetic Studies

• Hermetic Kabbalah - Introduction

• A Garden of Pomegranates: An Outline Of The Qabalah by Israel Regardie

• Martinism: History and Doctrine by Robert Ambelain

• The Unknown Philosopher: The Life of Louis Claude de St. Martin and the Substance of His Transcendental Doctrine by Arthur Edward Waite

• Studies in Occultism by H. P. Blavatsky

• Pistis Sophia (trans. by G. S. R. Mead)

• In the Pronaos of the Temple of Wisdom by Franz Hartmann

• The Teachings of the Rosicrucians of the 16th and 17th Centuries

• Secret Symbols of the Rosicrucians of the 16th and 17th Centuries (transl. by Franz Hartmann)

• Three Books of Occult Philosophy (Book I) by Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa (Book II) (Book III) (Book IV)

• The Initiates of the Flame by Manly P. Hall

Research from a conspiratorial point of view:

• Occult Theocrasy by Lady Queenborough

• Secret Societies and Subversive Movements by Nesta Webster

• Memoirs Illustrating the History of Jacobism by Abbe Barruel

• Mystery Babylon Series by Milton William Cooper (transcript incl.)

• Conspirators’ Hierarchy: The Story of the Committee of 300 by Dr. John Coleman

• America's Secret Establishment: An Introduction to the Order of Skull & Bones by Antony C. Sutton

• The Secret Destiny of America by Manly P. Hall

Online resources / libraries:

• Hermetics.com Library

• Hermetics.com eBooks

• Internet Sacred Text Archive

• Media Library - Bibliotheca - Hermetik International

• Twilit Grotto: Archives of Western Esoterica

• Masonic Library

• PDF Library | Universal Theosophy

• The Golden Dawn Library - Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn

• Gnostic Society Library: Sources on Gnosticism and Gnosis

• Rosicrucian Library | Confraternity of the Rose Cross

• Library | Open Source Order of the Golden Dawn

• The library of the Astrum Argenteum: A∴ A∴ publications divided into five classifications

Wow.

There’s so many more resources online now than 15 years ago when I obsessed over this stuff heh.

Do you know about the 43 star maps

Incredible post btw

It sounds familiar, vaguely. Please elaborate further.

The key of solomon, solomon's seal...it is a puzzle. Incredibly, it leads to pleides. Pleides is also represented in stone, apparently in 43 different artifacts from around the world. The author of this site put it all together. The giza pyramids represent orion's belt. It goes from there. www.thehiddenrecords.com/key-of-solomon

Well now you've piqued my interest, mentioning a symbol of particular importance to me not just now but throughout my life, the Seal of Solomon. Most theories along this line tend to not pan out, or will take vague correlations to form a contrived narrative or pet theory. On the other hand, I have yet to find a rabbit hole I will not explore. I know that sounded foul after I typed it, but it's true, technically.

They way he explained the freemason 1st tracing (I'm not a mason but I assume that is what they do) to the DC monument on Dec 25. Incredible

Possibly, however bare in mind with esoteric symbols there are typically multiple meanings, or layers of meanings, attributed to them. I would take any unconfirmed theories with a grain of salt, consider it in degrees of plausibility, see how it stacks up to corroborating evidence and keep an open mind. At minimum, it makes for a fascinating thought experiment, something to contemplate objectively.

Incredible post btw

Glad I could be of service.

As someone who knows little to nothing regarding these topics, I’m curious; are these links purporting to prove the existence of magic and the occult? Or the power of the occult?

And is there anything definitive or provable to back any claims or stories?

Quite the collection you have here regardless.

It's not really aimed at proving or disproving any point in particular, rather to share the wealth of information that exists on these subjects for others to examine objectively and subsequently form their own conclusions. One point that can be taken away from the bulk of this content, while broad and covering a variety of inter-related and at times unrelated material, is the existence of certain currents or streams of esoteric (e.g. occult) knowledge passed through the centuries through key adepts, as well as their pupils and obscured often allegorically, when not utilized explicitly, by esoteric initiatory orders and secret societies. This was initially done out of necessity, to avoid persecution by the authorities of their time, and to prevent this knowledge from being abused potentially. At this point in history such an approach is no longer considered necessary, for the most part, hence the abundance and accessibly of such knowledge in the present day.

To quote Immanuel Kant, who apparently plagiarized the phrase from Horace I say: Sapere aude! (Dare to know!). And to quote the infamous Aleister Crowley, who had in turn plagiarized Francois Rebelais and the Hellfire Clubs who came before him I say: Do what thou wilt! Though I would add to that, as a matter of personal preference, the hippocratic oath, in the form of: Do what thou wilt and do no harm. Speaking of esotericism, exoterically or superficially the phrase 'do what thou wilt' would appear to simply mean 'do what you want' which can be partially accurate but misses the broader and underlying meaning of the phrase. The key word in that phrase is wilt, or will, a reference to the philosophy of Thelema and of one's True Will, that is one's true and sole purpose for existence. When taken into proper context, the phrase, as intended by Crowley and possibly those before him, was meant to be regarded as an imperative to find your True Will or purpose and to strive toward that purpose in every aspect of your life, above all other priorities, apprehensions, dogmas, laws or societal norms. Of course, that phrase can and has been misused by some who wish to rationalize their own indefensible or hedonistic behavior, which if not truly their purpose or constructive toward that purpose is something that will ultimately work against them, not solely ethically or karmically (for those who consider that relevant) but in how it reflects on their character and credibility, not just in their position in their respective community or society as a whole but by their contemporaries as well as those above them in their respective hierarchy.

holy info, wow.

Thank-you for your service to our species

Likewise.

In Alan Moore's V for Vendetta, the character V proclaims that 'Do as thou wilt' will be the law.

Alan Moore is supposedly a practitioner of magick himself.

Given that a lot of people in this sub identify with or are supportive of the ideas behind 'Anonymous' I will be interested to see if any address this.

I can't speak for anyone who believes in "anonymous" or for anyone in this sub.

I can tell you that the Crowley quote you referenced is often shortened in its references. The entire quote is "do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. LOVE is the law, LOVE under will..."

This changes the meaning entirely. The will of man should be entirely supported by ❤️. This is only one interpretation I've heard and just thought I would share.

Hm. K. Well, you can throw the word love in there, but it's still putting your own will above everything else. The very definition of selfishness. That is not good, or loving. Putting others above yourself and your own will, is.

any act of love is inherently unselfish.

Exactly. Which is why the stupid quote is contradictory. Love under will...sounds like will ranks first. No room for love if you've already ranked yourself above it.

Again, interpretation is everything.

Will doesn't mean self or your will to do something. It means actual action in this sense. As in, do what you do in love (as opposed to fear or hate).

Again, this is just an alternative explanation. That does not mean that everyone who "follows Crowley" or wears "do what thou wilt" on a t-shirt believes that interpretation.

Intent influences interpretation

Will is love.

Thelema = agape

No. Love is both selfless and selfish. You can love yourself (selfish), love others or the world (selfless).

No, that is not what is meant by first law of Thelema, which is the quote above.

Crowley was indeed a questionable character and he often didn't practice what he preached. And who knows what he truly practiced, the man's life was and still is in many ways shrouded in mystery.

Irregardless, that phrase still holds within it one of the deepest and most beautiful spiritual truths you can utter.

I actually made a comment a while back on this topic in a thread on CST. Let me copy it here (slightly edited), since it is relevant to the discussion:

Crowley's fundamental law of Thelema was: "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Love is the law, love under will."

Although Crowley himself, as even Mark Passio once stated, is a man that one should listen to, but not copy in his actions (as he often lived quite a hedonistic lifestyle, perhaps not totally in alignment with his main teachings), this "law" is something I see very frequently as being misunderstood.

By "Do what thou wilt" or "Do what you will", Crowley is implying that every being should follow their fundamental, core will, the Will that is intertwined with the whole of the Cosmos. When you follow your core Will (which is something most people are obviously not doing, given the state of the world), you are coming from a place of Unity. When you come from Unity your will is aligned with the will of every other being, thus following this core will, or Will, is actually one of the greatest spiritual keys and practices (this is also perhaps why he doesn't say "do what you want", but says "do what you will").

Aligning yourself with your Core Will or True Will (as he states in the quote below), which is interconnected with the whole Cosmos, is one of the main keys to any spiritual practice, if not perhaps the main key.

In the other part of the law he mentions "Love is the Law, love under will", which is again related to what I'm saying above. You could say that love and Will are in a way intertwined. The more Will is sourced from your Core, the more it is connected to and with love, even if the love is a mere spark, or perhaps more a sense of compassion, peace, stillness, presence.

This is another quote from Crowley that shows this is what he is actually saying:

"Do not repress or restrict any true instinct of your Nature; but devote all in perfection to the sole service of your one True Will." - Aleister Crowley,

Another quote from him that is quite interesting:

"IT IS WRITTEN that 'Love is the law, love under will.' Herein is an Arcanum concealed, for in the Greek Language [Agape], Love, is of the same numerical value as [Thelema], Will. By this we understand that the Universal Will is of the nature of Love. Now Love is the enkindling in ecstacy of Two that will to become One. It is thus an Universal formula of High Magick. For see now how all things, being in sorrow caused by dividuality, must of necessity will Oneness as their medicine... Understand now that in yourselves is a certain discontent. Analyse well its nature: at the end is in every case one conclusion. The ill springs from the belief in two things, the Self and the Not-Self, and the conflict between them. This also is a restriction of the Will. He who is sick is in conflict with his own body: he who is poor is at odds with society: and so for the rest. Ultimately, therefore, the problem is how to destroy this perception of duality, to attain to the apprehension of unity. - Aleister Crowley,

Good sources on Thelema that I just found through Google (linked stuff pertinent to this discussion):

https://sites.google.com/site/thelemaforbeginners/home/3-will

https://sites.google.com/site/thelemaforbeginners/home/4-love

"Do not repress or restrict any true instinct of your Nature; but devote all in perfection to the sole service of your one True Will." -

Well here's the problem then. If you don't believe that giving in to our own instincts is going to lead to selfishness and greed, not sure how to even discuss these quotes with you. Look around this world and tell me if people giving in to their own instincts has done any good at all. Sounds like Crowley was following these words just fine. You are being deceived, my friend. If I'm wrong, show me some followers of this philosophy that are just bursting at the seams with goodness and love for their fellow man. You won't. This is the opposite of love.

I think you're still missing the point of what is meant by "will" in the quote. It is not about "giving in to our instincts", but about finding a deeper connection with nature, life, God, the Dao, whatever you want to call it, and allowing that connection to guide you. Wikipedia has a pretty good short summary on True Will that might help.

It's not meant to encourage hedonism, and I think it's unfair to let Crowley's lifestyle detract from his writings. It's possible to understand a truth and still be unable to follow it; there are plenty of priests from any religion I could point to as example (or even my own fat ass, with all its knowledge of diet & exercise). Sometimes knowledge isn't enough to stifle the desire for a vice.

Do what you love. Love what you do. If you’re doing something you don’t love, then introspect on yourself and find what you really want to do then do it. Then you will do something that brings you love.

No offense, but I don't think you understand what I was getting at.

Re-read my comment again. I never said one should follow their instincts, that is not what is meant by the phrase "true-will".

"True-will", in this interpretation (in the spiritual and esoteric sense) is meant as your core will beyond your egoic instinctual, primal or selfish desires.

Beyond what you want only for yourself there are desires within you that are born as a result of your innermost nature, which is intertwined and in unity with the whole Cosmos. Your deepest desires, you will find, are actually not only your own. If you meditate, introspect and look deeply enough within, you will find a will, a source of desire that is your own and personal, yet also transpersonal. This is reflective of your deepest nature as an inntrinsic part (as well as paradoxically the whole) of the Divine web that is weaved out of all things that exist.

To put it simply- what you really want, from a deep place within, from beyond the ego, from beyond pure separation, yet still from an individuated standpoint (paradoxically intertwined with the whole), is what the whole Cosmos, the whole of reality wants as well.

You are not not just a drop in the ocean, you are the entirety of the ocean. You are both the drop and the sea, the part and the whole. And coming your deepest self is also coming to your deepest will - your "true-will" as Crowley states it. That will is your own both from your individual standpoint as well as from the standpoint of the whole, the bigger you.

That is why following your true will is what gives birth to a deeper realization of yourself and your ultimate/deeper unity with the all. Knowing who you are, knowing what you truly want - all these things are connected, one realization leads to another. And all of the realizations inevitably lead to and are linked with - love.

Mmm it's more about carving your own spiritual path IMHO. Sure, going against the status quo is and can be absolutely selfish by that definition.

You cannot say I love you without saying the "I" first.

You don’t get it. Notice the word Will

It’s not will.

Will =/= will

It's a statement endorsing antinomianism. Do what you want according to your will.

V also has "Vi Veri Vniversvm Vivvs Vici" in the "Shadow Gallery", which is a motto of Crowley's for the Magister Templi. However, the phrase was used in "Faust" also, which is from whom V says it originates.

I have trouble supporting Anon, and one reason is connected with your point - their activities promote chaos, just like the line "do as thou wilst." Chaos is a powerful and easy tool for destruction. It simply speeds up entropy by introducing randomness into a system, whereas bringing order requires much more energy and skill.

Another problem I have with Anon is their sign-off, where they say "we are Legion, for we are many." That is straight from the Bible, in Mark 5:9, where Jesus is confronting the demon within the madman at the tombs. Jesus asks the demon its name, and it answers, "We are Legion, for we are many."

Demonic forces are subtle, and can operate within groups completely undetected. I think Anon is a group of usefull, unwitting tools being wielded by a master manipulator.

This.

Plus the Jesuit mask they use.

I really hope this isn't meant to equate Crowley with the Franklin cover-up.. Occultism does not automatically mean ritualistic murder and rape of children.

However, dark occultism (I.e. Those who would purposefully hide the truth for nefarious purposes) does tend to tie into satanism/Crowleyism.

I am not a Christian per se, but I am using satanism in reference to those who put their selves above all others and those who believe in moral relativism.

What is by pretending to be "satanists" they scare people into christianity which may be another system they invented, that way they still have you by the balls.

I think this is close.

I think they might have created Christianity as a veil for Satanism. They convince the masses to pray and god will save them. They are the "prey". Meanwhile the satanists are very organized and put to action their plans instead of preying that they come to pass.
Religion is another way to make apathetic victims.

Mark Passio has a good rant on fake Christians.

Political Christians, especially evangelicals, are a far cry from being Christ like.

agree, it's been a while since i've listened to him but it's awesome to here the perspective of an x-satanic priest.

Glad you agree and are aware of his work. Just felt the need to add this:

He is not just a EX-satanic priest. He is the most well-read occultist out there actively trying to spread wisdom and knowledge. He is literally the only person I have found who not only lays out the "what" of occultism, but on The Who, when, where and why it is being occulted and and to what nefarious end.

People need to wake up and take accountability for their own ignorance and actions.

"Make apathetic victims"

A comedian was just talking about this... A religious person will say something was "the will of god", and "God works in mysterious ways". Pretty good cuz the comedian said if anyone else went to their job and worked in "mysterious ways" they would be fired lol...

But really "turn the other cheek"? Might as well work a shitty job for some rich fuck, if your going to heaven anyways right.

hahah i think i've seen that

You are not wrong.

This. Occultism has gotten an incredibly bad rap. Sure, some things branded occult knowledge have some interesting layers, but oftentimes it had to be hidden by whatever elite rulers were at the top at the time.

Hmm idea.. It might be fun to do conspiracy tarot reading!

Marseilles or Thoth?

Marseilles is my go to anymore.

I know ;)

In a Crowley thread talking down the Thoth deck?

Blasphemy!

Mark Passio is the go to for info

Definitely a good reference and at least a weekend of Youtube binging out there for those with the time.

Especially his trivium series/lectures.

Or it had to be hidden from the elite rulers, because it challenged their power.

Absolutely. The alchemical truths shrourded in misguided materialist fantasies of turning lead ti gold were distracted by greed.

Putrefication isn't biological. It's much, much, more than that and the final product is far more valuable than what was mined ans chipped into a cheap aureus (to buy other mens things).

Fuck I love this thread.

Great job /u/axolotl_p

Seriously my faith has been restored in the sub with this thread. Such level discussion. So good.

There was another thread of someone asking about the Bohemian Grove, and it turned into a very interesting discussion as well.

Link?

Here you go

indeed. not all of it is evil, not all of it has been corrupted. that being said, there are some that do practice very self serving rituals. there are those that spill blood, sometimes their own... sometimes not. there are sex rituals. there are coming of age rituals. there are fertility rituals. they are not mutually exclusive, nor are they all the same.

there are some people that seek to gain favor from certain entities, (i believe they exist, i dont ask anyone else to, most importantly, THEY DO,) some have an affinity for bacchus may offer wine, and orgies. some may love ganesh, fruit, flowers... moloch/melech. baal. belial.

Exactly. Most equates to a modern day practice of mystery religions in general. Occultism is as broad a term as Religion. Let's not pretend modern, mainstream religions are somehow exempt from "ritualistic murder and rape of children".

I personally don't like the Idolizing of Aleister Crowley.

Fact: He died penniless and alone.

"Although the actual dates of Crowley’s death are heavily disputed (either Dec 1st or Dec 5th) it is true that he died a heroin addict in 1947 in a boarding house in Hastings, South East England." source

Fun Fact: when I first read the abovementioned Fact I read,

He died penisless and alone.

He died penniless and alone.

This is true, and he predicted in "Liber ABA" that this would be the case. He exerted all his effort and money into producing and distributing his works above all else, which I daresay is admirable, not worthy of contempt. Think of all the losers in history who died after only doing things anyone else could have, and then look at the unique and bizaare reputation of Crowley, his work, etc.

Also, fucking Listverse is not a good source. For anything. The first bullet is already wrong. According to Crowley's own bio in Liber ABA, he does list his first sexual act at 14 - with a guy. He lists his first sexual act with a female at 16, with a "theatre girl", not a maid. Number 7 is just insulting to anyone who understands the distinction between bisexuality and homosexuality. Number 6 is completely retarded - he used the symbol of the Holy Guardian Angel because, according to his own description in Liber ABA, he didn't think anyone was stupid enough to take it seriously. He also didn't consider Aiwass to be that symbol until late in his life. (The HGA is actually part of the self, according to Crowley, not a literal angel.) Number 5 is completely stupid - "Fact: it is rumored" Well then it's not a damn fact! 4 is correct, for the most part, save that it makes him sound like he died of heroin overdose. He didn't, he died of kidney failure that was bound to be his death since childhood, as he had poor kidneys from birth. 3 and 2 are correct, but number 1 is again completely stupid. It's a rumor based on idiocy and Crowley's reputation rather than any legitimate source.

However, /u/ToHeliopolisWithLove is correct, and he didn't want to be treated as another plaster saint. I do believe he had something legitimate to teach, however.

Thank you for your in depth knowledge. I honestly just posted that source to make the joke, I didnt fact check.

I agree with you, he did have something legitimate to teach. I truely enjoyed reading some of his work.

This penniless and alone shit is a bulkshit trope trotted out whenever Crowley is mentioned.

The man made it to end. He’s a failure because he squandered his wealth instead of saving it? He had visitors up until the very end.

I would venture to say the man most likely accomplished more before 30 than you ever will.

I could be wrong, maybe people will be discussing you on the internet and writing books about you 70 years from now.

Such as Gonorrhea?

King of edgelords is what this fool was IMO

Have you read about all the people he banged? And they are just the ones written about. Dude was a sexual beast.

Dude was a sexual beast.

Yawn

until you think about possible offspring that come from these couplings. not nearly as yawn as you'd think.

He was a helluva mountaineer too. The man lived a life.

I read somewhere that he abandoned a fellow mountaineer and left him to die or something.

I mean....sometimes you have to man.

He's a POS but this is one example that you can't really use to diminish character. What was he supposed to do? Use magic to carry the dude down a FUCKING MOUNTAIN

Knowing Crowley probably after he fucked him in the ass trying to get a homunculus.

JFC, you're probably right. that we"re even having this discussion is inspiring. they burn our libraries, and set us back a few thousand years every time we figure out their ruse. amazing times we're in.

Yes..

It was during his second K2 attempt. K2 is no joke, even today something like 1 in 5 people die climbing that mountain. It may be seen as a heartless thing to do (leaving someone to die) but in that kind of situation, what other choice do you have? Keeping in mind that K2 really does not have flat sections; and you need to have true technical climbing skills. In my opinion, if you help, you probably end up dead as well.

I never said he was a failure. Or that he didnt accomplish anything. I said I don't like how people idolize him.

I didn't want to shit on the guy but he liked to write about being shit on. So tell me more about how you love his work. Its not that good. And the parts that are good are not even his own novel ideas. Go get your pitchfork.

That has nothing to do with the fact that he was a degenerate. All of that talent and intelligence used to harm people, even people from his own congregation, with baneful magick. I’m glad his life backfired on him. While we’re at it let’s laud Hitler’s accomplishments too. Heck of a painter.

Weird you'd be downvoted for that here.

Where the fuck do these people come from?

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Both outcomes are equally undesirable.

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Good point

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You're absolutely right. There should not be idolizing of Crowley. He himself said he hated having fan boys and girls. He wanted people to carve their own spiritual path.

As did Jesus. Funny how people manipulate popular myths to their own ends.

He died penisless and alone.

Ironically, he did sustain an injury to the perimeum when ice skating as a teenager, which pained him for the rest of his life.

Edgar Allen Poe also died basically penniless and alone.

i thought that, too. penniless and alone is the way a fair amount of them go.

This!

This!

CBTS trying to take out dem satanic cult and we get banned. Conspiracy? Yes.

Make a new sub? Cbtsstream was alllllright.

Jason A's youtube channel recently did a short video on Satan, rock bands and Aleister Crowley. Warning as Jason A's stuff has religious undertones (which I don't mind, but some may) but the information is solid.

He discusses AC/DC, Led Zepplin, Hendrix, The Beetles and many many others who are not only quoted as saying they 'worship Satan' or that they automatically wrote songs that they claim they did not write - but also all these bands adoration for Aleister Crowley (some knowing him personally) and his philosophies.

https://youtu.be/r1Ge-hBfRAY

Although Jason A has religious context, his videos are some of the best being produced on YouTube today. He never speaks himself, but only shows lectures, sermons, news broadcasts and articles to make you think and connect the dots yourself. You come to your own conclusions from the multiple sources he presents.

Thanks dude. People need to here this.

I agree. Been following him for more than a year. One of the good ones left in youtube. There used to be many.

some knowing him personally)

This Jason A sounds full of shit. None of those bands were old enough to know Crowley personally, unless you think a 7 year old John Lennon was chilling with Crowley on Aleister's deathbed. Read the biographies of these bands like Hammer of the Gods for Zeppelin and you'd know these recycled 1980s crazy christian claims are moronic.

Jason A isn't the man giving the lecture, he's the one who puts together the videos of others speaking. You are right that none of the bands I listed met him personally, but his teachings were very important to them (placing Crowley on their album covers and-the-like). It does not discredit facts like Page kidnapping a 14 year old or 100's of other allegations against him (in regards to sleeping with underage girls). He's praised yet is just as bad as anyone from pedogate.

Rock stars have had underage groupies throwing themselves at them for decades. Hardly anything new. 100s of allegations sounds like total bullshit made up by some Christian kook.

Your bias is showing. It has nothing to do with Christians.. you can look up many other sources who say the same exact thing. Let me ask you.. what then, if other sources who have nothing to do with religion or Christianity have said as much? Would you then denounce them on some faulty premise too?

Show your source about kidnapping a 14 year old and hundreds of others

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/the-10-wildest-led-zeppelin-legends-fact-checked-20121121/jimmy-page-dated-a-14-year-old-girl-while-he-was-in-led-zeppelin-19691231

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Page

https://crazy4rock.com/i-love-rock-n-roll/fact-check-jimmy-page-date-14-year-old-girl/

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/music/11-rock-stars-who-allegedly-slept-with-underage-girls-7980930

etc..

You have Google right? What the fuck am I doing here

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None of that even accuses or mentions kidnapping but lets not let facts get in the way of making things up to pursue an agenda.

Im a musician and ive studied all those musicians for decades. The crowley stuff, the zeppellin 'curse', altamont, yeah it was a thing, but to believe these guys are really satanists is incredibly ignorant. Do your own research before getting behind this.

The drummer of TOOL is really really into Crowley and the Occult. http://dannycarey.org/library/

Oh Jimmy Comet....

He's either the King of being EdgeLord at 40 years old or exactly what we think he is.

Here is a great higherside chat on satanic ritual abuse.

What's the occult connection to the Franklin coverup? Or is this just two subjects to discuss?

Many Cults believe in melding beliefs, try to summon power, and use distorted interpretations to their advantage. My point - not just Satan. The Satanic Panic was a vert successful campaign. Many people have been terrified. Shit's recycled.

Satan is also known as the author of confusion

"The Great Deceiver"

Seems to coincide

This may not be a popular opinion here, but as someone who has actually read a few Crowley biographies, he wasn't the monster that draws so many clicks today. He got off on puritans being scared of him and egged on the rumors. He used the term 'child' in place the the word 'sperm' when describing rituals because you couldn't talk about sex in those days. If you consider having a ton of weird sex and doing drugs 'evil' than I suppose he was.

I don't know anything about satanism, satanic cults or any recent conspiracy theories, but here's my opinion about the concept of "Satan" itself that is derived from the selection of conspiracy theories I consider believable.

The god of human evolution left Earth more than 4000 years ago, when our civilization as we know it first started. Our current god is the god of Earth. They are completely different gods, whose irreconcilable differences lead to our first god being removed from Earth by force. Neither of these gods is the god of universal creation if there is any such entity. The god of Earth might also be the god of our solar system. Unlike our previous god, the god of Earth has taken a very hands-off approach in our development leaving us to sink or swim by our own power. This compassionate god, who is now our only god, is the Christian concept of "Satan." Of course Christian ideas should be based on the first god's opinion of the second, so they should be wrong. They appear to be wrong objectively too, because whatever Satan is, it must feel at least somewhat optimistic about us, because unlike our first god, it has permitted us to live here even though we are obviously objectively awful creatures. Since prehistoric times, we have generally acted like it is somehow our divine right to trash up their beautiful and immeasurably valuable planet. Since industrialization we've been systematically destroying the planet as if that were our civilization's primary purpose. And for most of that time, our largest religions have falsely taught us that they are the definition of evil. From their perspective, such prolonged stubborn ignorance must seem hopeless and utterly irredeemable.

Our limited view of the rest of our galaxy—let alone the universe—might not have made it clear to us yet, but Earth is actually objectively worth more than our civilization or even humanity itself. By the standards of other intelligent life in the universe, we grossly overvalue the worth of not just ourselves but humanity itself. We should instead all feel extremely privileged to be permitted to enjoy their planet.

As impossible as it may seem, we don't have to remain on this planet. The rightful owner of earth is not obligated to permit us to stay. This is yet another reason that we cannot fight another global war. We cannot even continue our small wars, ethnic conflicts or smallest vendettas. There is probably no time left for fighting or hate of any form—not that that would be worth continuing even if there were time for it. We could all be extinguished much more easily than we think, and we certainly will be if we let the hate or greed of the few continue to guide us. This demise would only be our own doing. Earth's god's only role in this impending catastrophe would appear to be observing our ultimate failure with maybe some sadness but also a sense of relief that the confused and vaguely threatening mess of our civilization is finally gone.

We have nearly run out of time to realize that if we cannot live in harmony with nature, we cannot live on this planet. Our political choices are the most effective way to respond to the challenges we face. If we want to survive, we need to do better.

I don't know anything about satanism, cults or any recent conspiracy theories, but here's my opinion about the concept of "Satan" itself, which is from the selection of conspiracy theories I consider more believable.

The god of human evolution left Earth more than 4000 years ago, when our civilization as we know it first started. Our current god is the god of Earth. They are completely different gods, whose irreconcilable differences lead to our first god being removed from Earth by force. Neither of these gods is the god of universal creation if there is any such entity. The god of Earth might also be the god of our solar system. Unlike our previous god, the god of Earth has taken a very hands-off approach to our development leaving us to sink or swim by our own power. This distant but compassionate god, who is now our only god, is the Christian concept of "Satan." Of course Christian ideas should be based on the first god's opinion of the second, so they should be wrong. They appear to be wrong objectively too, because whatever Satan is, it must feel at least somewhat optimistic about us, because unlike our first god, it has permitted us to live here even though we are obviously objectively awful. Since prehistoric times, we have generally acted like it is somehow our divine right to trash up their beautiful and immeasurably valuable planet. Since industrialization we've been systematically destroying the planet as if that were our civilization's primary purpose. And for most of that time, our largest religions have falsely taught us that they are the definition of evil. From their perspective, such prolonged stubborn ignorance must seem hopeless and utterly irredeemable.

Our limited view of the rest of our galaxy—let alone the universe—might not have made it clear to us yet, but Earth is probably actually objectively worth far more than our civilization or even humanity itself. By the standards of other intelligent life in the universe, we grossly overvalue the worth of not just ourselves but humanity itself and we grossly undervalue Earth. We should instead all feel extremely privileged to be permitted to enjoy this magnificent world.

As impossible as it may seem to us now, we don't have to remain on this planet. The rightful owner of earth is not obligated to permit us to stay. This is yet another reason that we cannot fight another global war. We cannot even continue our small wars, ethnic conflicts or smallest vendettas. There is probably not time left for fighting or hate of any form—not that such pettiness would be worth continuing even if there were time for it. We could all be extinguished much more easily than we think, and we certainly will be if we let the hate or greed of the few continue to guide us. This demise would only be our own doing. Earth's god's only role in this impending catastrophe would appear to be observing our ultimate failure with a sense of relief that the ugly, confused and vaguely threatening mess of our civilization is finally gone.

We have nearly run out of time to realize that if we cannot live in harmony with nature, we cannot live on this planet. If we want to survive, we need to do better. Our political choices are the most effective way to respond to the challenges we face.

Hang on, you said "christian's ideas should be based on the first god's opinions of the second, so they should be wrong." I'm not exactly following your logic here. Why should they be wrong? Just because they believe the first god's opinions? So what makes the second god's opinions right? The fact that he's second? Sorry if I'm totally missing it, but that one whooshed right over my head.

So what makes the second god's opinions right? The fact that he's second?

That's a great question. First I should say if it isn't already obvious, I don't really know who is right. This is a literal religious mystery. I am just repeating what I thought seemed like a good religious conspiracy theory especially a version from 20-30 years ago that also has certain left-centrist political implications. As far as trying to understand this religious mystery that could very well be beyond our ability to reason, it does seem significant that even those who call it Evil would tell us that the Serpent's first act of kindness towards humanity was giving us free will.

The god of Earth apparently doesn't want to be our god-leader like the god who evolved us was even though we were apparently intentionally evolved to think we want that kind of order. There have been snake religions throughout history that could potentially have been based on them, but none seem to have been popular in recent history. Maybe it makes them feel weird to be worshiped as our god. Maybe it draws them down to our level too much encouraging our vices in them and/or theirs in us. It's probably beyond our understanding, and they probably wouldn't appreciate our foolish speculation. But if this serpent god of Earth also gave us their infinitely valuable planet to seriously fuck up like we have been doing, it seems like their kindness transcends even our most sanguine concept of human generosity, and they obviously deserve for us to be a radically better humanity than we have been and unfortunately still are in so many ways.

Since prehistoric times, we have generally acted like it is somehow our divine right to trash up their beautiful and immeasurably valuable planet. Since industrialization we've been systematically destroying the planet as if that were our civilization's primary purpose.

What makes you think that this is an intrinsic human trait, and isn't something that is manufactured?

Not original commenter, but I'll respond.

It is not inherent. This is why Christianity (the institution) has prospered (literally), as a monetary feast upon the collective guilt these masses feel.

From West, north Texas and nowhere NM, the noble savage thing is definitely a myth, I've been to buffalo runs, and that whole "they used errything" bit is malarky. Just because most of the native Americans trash wasn't our environment destroying atrocities doesn't mean they didn't leave it all over the place. I've tons of arrowheads I've found. They woulda got there eventually.

That's a fair question. Of course I don't know but it looks like Earth's god didn't help us escape the consequences of our bad planning, which fits with its essentially hands-off approach to our development. Human greed obviously got us here. Most renewable energy was first invented from the 1890s to 1940s. The first AC power plants were hydroelectric like at Niagara Falls. Investing in renewable energy sources could have been earning any investor money from any point since then, but fossil fuels are cheaper and more marketable, so that's where economies of scale developed. We could have favored material- and energy-conservative designs like Buckminster Fuller's, but instead people got more excited by making cars more like miniature yachts. Our buildings could have radically reduced impacts on nature. There are countless ways we could have done better. Fortunately those are all things we can still do better now and are increasingly in most places, but progress is slow without successful models to follow and major political support for them.

Yeah give me that old time conspiracy!

Hope I'm not too late to the party! So a fascinating fact I learned the other day is that Charles Manson was actually sent to Boys Town as a youth. His stay there was short, but he was nonetheless sent there. My source for this is the recent Time Magazine publication on killer cults. Another interesting thing about him was all the celebrities he bumped shoulders with, including those in the occult. While on the subject of the occult, there is a film director from the same time period named Kenneth Anger who made a lot of occult videos and short movies, and who also participated in various occult groups throughout the years. He even had Jim Morrison and Anton Levay in his movies (as well as other famous hollywood stars of the time). He was also reported to have done graphic movies, as well as possible snuff films. The only reason I discovered him and his videos is because of a music video on YouTube called "Duality" , by Captain Murphy. It is a compilation of cult footage, as well as occult footage, all blended together for 35 minutes. I suggest watching it, as I would like to hear someone else's opinion on it considering it is a modern-day occult video. The occult is alive and well, and people are being a lot more blatantly open about it these days.

Kenneth Anger and Hollywood vogue occultism is a far cry from, say, Manley P Hall and his goals. California has had stretched, dirivitive occultism since the turn of the century with the "bohemians." Most of it is made up shit so they can collect mummies and wear cool robes. You think I'm kidding.

what about Scientology?

No historical links at all. It's a text haven.

Awesome! Have additional readings or topics i can look up?

What do you mean with the goals of MPH?

Pop culture vs. Academia. Even though a good portion of MPHs stuff has been refuted by historians, he was in it for the history and knowledge not fame. It's much the same as Jared Diamond vs. Actual historians.

academia and pop culture seemed to have blended. What of Manly Pee Holes stuff was proven to be wrong by historians ?

I'd disagree, just because geographic determinism is popular doesn't mean actual historians give it any creedance. Why do you say that? Ugh I've read a pretty darn good article on that if I can find it. Right off the top of my head historians now very much downplay and attribute to several different cults what he attributed to Mitra. He built quite a bit off the Mitra cults and there's very strong evidence against those lines of the mystery schools now.

More on Manson and Boys Town: the Los Angeles ranch where his "Family" stayed was adjacent to another ranch owned by an influential Omaha businessman who funded Boys Town.

More on Manson and Boys Town: the Los Angeles ranch where his "Family" stayed was adjacent to another ranch owned by an influential Omaha businessman who funded Boys Town.

Thank you for the additional read. I was blown away when i made the connection, I'm glad it actually goes a little deeper.

I'm glad it actually goes a little deeper.

On the one hand, I'm glad when my suspicions can be validated. On the other, I sometimes wish I was completely wrong. Realizing the truth of all this was the biggest worldview-shattering experience I ever had, and it messed me up for well over a year.

The world is a Dan Brown novel

I also remember reading Manson was imprisoned in Vacaville when they were doing MKULTRA tests.

Time to go down that rabbithole!

Watch Eye of the Devil, Sharon Tate was in that movie. It is REALLY creepy.

Oh wow, evwn more interesting she was chosen to be murdered.

Duality is a masterpiece if anyone ever fancies a listen, this background info on the whole thing is incredibly interesting. I am about to research Kenneth Anger now so I will report back with findings.

Pizzagate, the topic with the majority of the votes every roundtable, is a honorable mention! The true conspiracy is always in the posts!

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I will be reading through this one. Don’t forget AC’s ties to Jack Parsons, and Parsons’ relationship with L. Ron Hubbard.

Related.

The Catholic church is the head of the serpent as shown in plain sight for all to see yet they have their "eyes wide shut". the CIA is taking over the US government as Americans sit complacently. Tell me this is not dark times.

The mongols just took over Hungary and slaughtered 140,000. Just some perspective, definitely interesting times, I just think dark might be a touch heavy. ;)

140,000?

We have 8,000,000,000 people living on Earth now. All it takes is 1 disaster... Could be a deadly flu, could be war/depopulation.

Sure it may seem ok to some, but to most of us paying attention to the real world vs reality TV see that we are headed for dark times ahead and are doing so little to prepare.

That's just when they took over Hungary buddy. Look up total mongol death toll. Crow all you want, things are still better than theyve ever been.

Jack Parsons and L. Ron Hubbard both basically worshipped Crowley and together did many Satanic Magickal Workings*

Jack Parsons helped found JPL, which landed a robot on Mars.

Scientologist Tom Cruise starred in a movie about a Martian invasion.

Coincidence? I THINK NOT!

I've always been confused with Aleister Crowley being the poster boy of Hermeticism. Isn't he the same Aleister Crowley who committed ritual abuse? The cult advocate? How could he be associated something as pure as spiritual alchemy?

He's definitely the poster boy for certain Hermetic orders, but really I think he is his own "poster boy", if anything.

Crowley is one of the most well known but least understood individuals of the 20th century. His works are prolific and not exactly easy to approach and absorb. I would take any anecdotal accounts and/or personal interpretations of his work with a grain of salt.

Find the substantiated evidence of him being involved in "ritual abuse" (Do you mean ala MK-ULTRA?) and I'll consider it, it's just most stories I've read involving him and abuse are dubious at best.

I discovered something very relevant to this the other day. Crowley was a Freemason, active in a great number of lodges. I don't know much about the Masons but I found this surprising. I found this lengthy, thorough, and well-sourced write-up of the connections on an official Freemason site. Worth a read.http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/aqc/crowley.html

https://thenarrowgateweb.com

This will teach you about the freemasons...

My 2 cents:

The Franklin coverup is a fascinating conspiracy that involves government and government paymaster malfeasance. Some day when powerful bad guys are dead some witnesses are going to talk and even more really horrible truths are going be revealed but the evidence trail will have decayed to uselessness by that point and these truths may never be proven.

Satanic cults are a real thing but they are insignificant in the systemic corruption that weighs us all down. For almost all practical purposes magic is a weapon of the weak; when the rich and powerful want to make things happen they don't waste their time with magic. Satanism is an edge case and there is a wide spectrum from the people who do Left Hand Path practices all the time to people who do so once in great while for a special project where they think it is the right tool for this job and it is not the right tool for almost all of the magic ends they usually pursue.

Most occultists are, to be honest, losers. They have shit jobs and occupy dumps and drive beater cars and their magic is a largely self-delusion that they aren't such a loser. Apropos to Crowley if you live in a big city you can go to an open OTO meeting and see this for yourself.

Aleister Crowley was like a lot of people who are very smart and read great books and know a lot of stuff and if they could have just paired up with a professional editor their books might be great instead of being barely readable. It is never a chore to read a great book. It is a chore to read Aleister Crowley. There is a small percentage of really great content hidden in that mess but it can be exhausting to pry it out of all the crap. The traditional explanation of it's concealed and revealed, or it has to be obfuscated to keep it away from the unworthy is bullshit. My favorite Crowley story is the one in Bennet's book where he spent a week at Gurdjieff's commune and infuriated the other guru who expected everybody to be respectful and pitch in and do their fair share of the work. G. G. was a hospitable host as his upbringing required but the minute Crowley left the instruction was recorded the moocher was never allowed back.

The only essential Crowley books are, in order, 777, Thoth, and Book IV. If you go through the hassle of reading these three books you will have 99% of all quality Crowley. Here and there scattered through them is some really great stuff.

Organized in reverse order to A. C., Satanism, and Franklin posted above as the relevance of these three subjects to this sub is presented upside down. :)

On further review I found a passage in Webb's The Occult Underground which is appropriate for people curious about the subject of black magic in high places.

Huysmans, in the words of one of his contemporaries, had a terrible tendency "to believe what he read," and his suggestibility was to lead to further ramifications. The novelist's friend Jules Bois, a journalist, who shared his interest in occult matters, possessed the same credulity. He was later to print documents given by Boullan to Huysmans containing the information that at every court of Europe magical evocations were practiced, and that Prussia crushed France at Sedan because of her superior evocatory powers. p.158-9

Webb was a scholar and a skeptic. If you follow the footnotes in this book you may find the best documentation on the subject. That is the place where I would start. The Harmonious Circle is the Webb book where you can find the dope on Crowley. Why Webb would exert all of this energy on topics which he dismissed as rubbish is a mystery, but I am glad that he did and it is a pity that he died so young.

Wdw

I do believe Winston Chruchill enlisted his services to counter possible ancient rites and magick utilized by the Nazis?

Know that’s a conspiracy I need to hear.

Is there a list of links for photos and video of modern day examples? (Ex. That weird CERN opening ritual, podesta with that goat head mask, etc?) Anyone have good photo/vid proofs?

/r/satanicritualabuse

Mark Passio covers Crowley in detail on his podcasts and interviews, great info for anyone looking for more

Research Hampstead COVER up

And if anyone was thinking this is isolated think again https://youtu.be/DFZRQcSMeeM

Link?

140,000?

We have 8,000,000,000 people living on Earth now. All it takes is 1 disaster... Could be a deadly flu, could be war/depopulation.

Sure it may seem ok to some, but to most of us paying attention to the real world vs reality TV see that we are headed for dark times ahead and are doing so little to prepare.