I listened to so much David Paulides im afraid to go into the woods now.

Came to say this!

Listened to? Where do you listen to him? I was under the impression that he just had a book.

he does a lot of radio and podcast interviews. search his name on coast2coast

Thanks, I'll check it out. Is the documentary even worth giving it a shot?

tbh I prefer his podcasts/interviews. it's nice to have a visual but I feel he goes more into depth on the radio than in this.

i havent read his books, but his interviews have always been a must listen (even though he does repeat incidents)

Sounds good. If you've got any links to specific episodes, it would be greatly appreciated.

Im at work now but when I get home i can search my watch history and Ill link you

Not sure if you're joking, but getting out in nature is the one tried and true way to counteract all the bullshit society tries to stuff our eyes and ears with.

I'm trying to overcome my 411 fear and get back in nature. I wish I never came across it

Most parks don't keep count of how many people go missing neither..

they do, its just not public

People go missing and then just show up like naked or with only shoes on 3 days later.... there was a rash of kidnappings at Yellowstone... its def an interesting topic!!! They had started looking at what the missing people had in common if I recall correctly and people who were academics and autistic were among the top kidnapped in parks, strangely enough which indicates to me possible studying intelligence or something. If anyone has links about the national park stuff I’d love it

It's Big Foot!!

it could be

Trying to think of the name of it but there's a great investigative doc on this. Details are fuzzy, (full disclosure: i smoke entirely too much reefer), one area or park had something like 30 people missing in the year before the film was made. See of you can find it with the scant information I've provided; most def worth a watch.

would love to watch if anyone knows.

was this a new film?

Missing 411? Used to be on Netflix but I just checked and couldn’t find it.

Yes, very good! That's the one. Some weird shit going on out There, no doubt about it.

It’s more about the land they cover and the resources under said land. It’s an easy way for the government to hold on to valuable resources until it’s necessary to use, or until environmentally safe extraction can take place.

There are underground bases near allot of national parks

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Have you ever been to a National Park? They are an amazing privilege to the people of this country and the world and they should be defended against the corruption of corporations for all time.

And they're currently at a huge risk. I believe the recent hike in visitor fees was done so that when the amount of visitors declines, they can say, "Look at all these resources and there's such a drop in visits, we can't afford to just leave this land sitting unused." Then they start chopping timber and drilling for oil.

Once that land is gone, it's gone for good.

Hike in fees is due to a lack of funding. Need to hike fees to stay in operation.

But the person who cut the funding is also the one raising the fees. Why not just not cut the funding? It's peanuts compared to other parts of our govt spending and creates billions in economic revenue.

I don't really think so, "government" isn't one unified entity. Funding cuts come from the top (congress, states, so on) while fee raises come from the bottom (park director "we need more money but we're not getting it so we need to raise fees to stay in 'business'").

We are talking about National Parks, so yes the funding does come primarily (all land managers need to seek out grant funding as well) from one source, the Government. The current administration has chosen to gut funding and give corporations cheap access to public resources without equitable compensation. The decision is not being made by the "park director". It is being imposed by an incompetent Secretary of Interior Ryan Zinke who is attempting to make public land into a resource for the new oligarchs. Maybe read up on his $139k dollar doors, or his $200,000 over on his travel budget, his council of rich trophy hunters, or his "konnichiwa" to Japanese internment victims.

Isn't it kind of shady that US citizens pay a fee to visit our own public lands though? Our taxes should be properly allocated to cover park maintenance.

expecting taxes to be allocated correctly

Theres your problem. As it stands, fees are the only way to keep them in business unfortunately. Would require a massive un-fucking of our whole system of government to change that. In a perfect world, we'd have way more projects like the Smithsonian museums in DC - free for the public.

I didn't say that I expected taxes to be allocated correctly, I said that they should be allocated correctly.

The number of other countries whose policies make more sense than ours is a bit disheartening.

Its to pay for all the services, like roads and visitor centers, etc. There's an argument to be made that the parks should be accessible to the larger public, but in my opinion they should be left relatively unblemished. I don't think we should have roads or services of any kind, save for ranger stations to help manage the land and provide emergency services.

Thank heavens they havent put cell towers all over the Parks. Not only would they be some seriously ugly objects addednto the scenery, having to run power lines to them would also result in the destruction of a lot more natural beauty.

As for secret bases. Really? You seriously think the goverment is going to place a secret base in a place that can be visited by millions of people every year? Phffftt. No way would they do something like that.Instead, they put such places as far from civilzation as possible.

And while Im sure there are some murders in parks, my money is on most disappearances and deaths are caused by what kills a lot of people innthe back country every year-falls, animal attacks, exposure, dehydration, snake bites and bee stings, and sometimes even natural causes, like heart attack. For a solo hiker, even a minor incidents can be a killer due to the fact that they are out in the middle of nowhere by themselves.

the bases would be underground. hiding, literally, right under our noses. i wouldn't doubt that there is a secret underground high speed transport that can move people across the country in minutes

secret bases under DC,I can believe.

Thing is,they are underneath all of DC,not just the Parks.

People die in the woods, because people don't know how to generally "survive" in the woods, on their own, for a long period of time. There's no great mystery here. I couldn't even make it through Missing 411, because it seems like all of those "grieving" people had something to do with their loved one's disappearance. It almost seemed like a comedy sketch to me.

However, there are still enough deep forests in our country to "disappear" something forever. There are even surprisingly deep urban and suburban forests creeping just on the outside of town.

Op needs to go outside more

the bases would be underground. hiding, literally, right under our noses. i wouldn't doubt that there is a secret underground high speed transport that can move people across the country in minutes

I didn't say that I expected taxes to be allocated correctly, I said that they should be allocated correctly.

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