As amusing as your post is, I thought I was in /r/conspiracy not /r/politics

Nothing irks me more that the "blank is a mental disease/disorder" meme. It should be "overly emotional partisan bickering is a mental disorder". Or, "allowing your emotional health and attention be dictated to you by others is a mental disorder".

We're all like little children allowing our emotional buttons to be pushed so we can all be lead around by the nose. The dark hand is at work to keep us that way, it's always been like that but social media has amplified this by 1000%.

ding ding - what's his prize Rod Roddy?!

TPTB wouldn't bat an eye at people killing each other over political ideology. What they fear more than anything is rampant cooperation.

Absolutely. The scariest thing that could ever happen to the powers that be is if the powers that work all turned around and pointed the finger at them instead of blaming each other.

They've been trying to turn half the country into the enemy for the last 20 years.

They're winning.

which "they" are you speaking of? literally can't keep track of who the baddy is these days..

They've got one half of America hating the other half. The baddy could be anywhere it is most convenient thanks to the war on terror.

I would like to suggest there are two radically different perspectives in people: rural people vs city people. City people have a more comprehensive view of social dynamics but they're also more corrupted by them. This group tends to regard themselves as liberal. Rural people have more naivety about society but they are also less corrupted by society. They tend to call themselves conservatives.

My point is these different personal backgrounds and perspectives should be respected by people on the opposite side. The opposite side is not your enemy.

I don't believe the other side is the enemy, but let's be real, conservatives have been demonizing liberals for years. The Tea Party was a step shy of declaring civil war over ideology. We see rural governors like Matt Bevin suggesting civil war if they lose elections. Liberal is used as a pejorative. The SJW stuff targets liberal minded Americans. It's rural Americans trying to pass laws to discriminate against other groups of Americans. The liberals havent declared conservatives the enemy but its getting closer and closer as the politicians keep passing legislation that is designed to punish other groups of Americans. We've become a nation where politics is a form of retribution against the opposition party instead of Americans coming together for the benefit of all Americans.

For the last 20 years, we've become more polarized and more paralyzed when it comes to solutions that are mutually beneficial. Look at the tax cuts they just passed that benefit red states and punish blue states. Look at the attack on states rights as it relates to sanctuary cities, ironically, by the same people who stood up for states rights when Obama was President and their states refused to implement regulations designed to protect the public.

I am fine with people having different perspectives, but take a step back and look at how things really are. The right is at war with the left in America. Even if you're a Republican, you get called a Democrat if you go against the ideology promoted on conservative radio and TV. Guys who have been Republicans their entire are ostracized for being centrist or moderate. It's like there is a purity test and if you're even slightly reasonable or believe in compromise you're a RINO. More than half of Republicans think Comey, McCabe and Mueller are Democrats.

What happens there is that liberals pretend to be conservatives because of political utility. Most of the country are conservative and these crooked, corrupt businessmen cynically exploit the world-view of rural people for votes.

You can't blame it on rural people though.

I didn’t blame it on rural people. I’m blaming the party and it’s messaging. Only the GOP could say Obama making sure every American could get access to healthcare was evil as the actions of the antichrist.

We do have to move above it. But will we?

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TPTB wouldn't bat an eye at people killing each other over political ideology. What they fear more than anything is rampant cooperation.

This needs to be memed far and wide.

Just need to find the appropriate background image.

Amen!!!

All Conservatives should register as Democrats so they bump their IQ by 10+.

Shit, is that all I have to do to be smrt?

Anyone who unconditionally roots for one 'side' is stupid.

Shhhh don't tell Reddit that

People that believe in any ideology, follow any leader or participate in any kind of movement have mental disorders. These are people that need to be told what to do and think. Id call that fucking crazy.

r/enlightenedcentrism

Liberalism isn't a mental disorder, the Democrats have just heavily researched how best to manipulate their base. According to Podesta's own researchers, you manipulate men by appealing to their cynicism, while women are largely susceptible to all forms of manipulation.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/23605

you manipulate men by appealing to their cynicism

That's bloody genius.

and you think conservatives are somehow unaware of this or haven't used it to their advantage?

I don't know what they are aware, but your response is whataboutism. Let's not be hypocrites.

it's just ridiculous to say that only one side has learned to manipulate their base, frankly.

I'm not saying it though! John Podesta is!

ok buddy

Democracy is Stockholm syndrome.

I think you misunderstood why that thread was posted. It's obvious bait mate.

Did I? You seek to add balance, no?

Well the core of your philosophical dialectic needs to address something before we proceed. Are conservatives conserving anything anymore?

Traditional religious values and the primacy of the white race?

What party represents that?

Lol that's hilarious. What church does Trump go to?

Okay, someone who isn't religious is trying to uphold traditional religious values? Right..

Didn't you get the memo? God is dead. Stormy Daniels is god now.

I'm a conservative (anrcho monarchist) and a pagan so you might be on to something...

conservatives are not the ones who think there are more than two genders. liberals think everything is relative. that's not mentally healthy.

Conservatives these days seem to think that unborn children should have all rights possible, yet after its born they no longer care. They're so "pro life", yet they are some of the biggest warhawks in the world. They will pro text unborn children to the deatj, but once it's born they can't get it into a war zone to be killed fast enough.

Not to mention they freely admit that it's buisnesses right to pay their employess as little as possible, but if those same employees can't make enough to support themselves and need food stamps? Shame on them! How dare they not make enough money? They should just pick up and extra 25 hours a week. It's their fault they're poor. Already working 45 hours a week and still need govt assistance? Well, why aren't you working 60 hours a week?

Talk about mental disorders, conservatives are so hippocritical they should be on armloads of meds.

Neo liberals stand for all of those same values, except maybe abortion.

Left and right are a false dichotomy..

The Conservatives voted for a man with 5 kids by 3 different baby mammas, who brags about grabbing women by the pussy, who claims to love the troops, except when a POW or a gold star family criticizes him, and who paid off a porn star to hide his adultery. They voted for a representative who assaulted a reporter, and a Senator who was an accused pedophile.

Moral relativism has reached Conservatives.

those are neo conservatives. neo conservative and neo liberal are the same thing and are republicans and democrats. just different sides of a coin. conservatism really means less government and more liberties. progressives want bigger government with less liberties but more privileges and hand outs. progressing for the sake of progressing is not progressive or liberal.

What does one's view about the proper size of Government have to do with whether people engage in moral relativism or not?

bigger government is needed for societal policies. this is why there is an irs to collect taxes. bureaus need to be created to manage policy. it's pretty simple logic. hate speech laws are a form of moral relativism.

What hate speech laws? Who goes to prison for hate speech?

canada and other liberal countries have hate speech laws which are all morally relative.

Moral relativity is not the same as legislating morality. Those are two different concepts.

As for legislating morality, do conservatives not advocate for laws to enforce Christian morality?

Trigger bait.

Mods should ban this crap.

Post from 4 months ago downvoted to 0 like a shitpost should be? Is that what you're responding to?

Your post is the equivalent of a "no u" retort, and directed at a clearly worthless post.

I think neither should be allowed. The problem is that the mods don't have the time to go through every single post/video/article to see how well they might fall into the conspiracy category, so they let the up/down votes do that. And the downvotes did their job.

What exactly are you trying to prove?

I'm convinced.

As you see it was deleted.

I didn’t see it originally so I cannot confirm who posted it.

Ordo ab chao.

Right and left are a false dichotomy.

There are other ways to organize society outside of the systems that we have been given, I.e. capitalism and communism. Capitalism and communism are both based on materialism at their core. Other societies that have historically existed have had other "gods" at their center.

"Those who only think they can only turn right or left have already ignored the obvious third option, reverse." -me(probably?)

Why look back when we can go forward.

As you can see, there does appear to be some correlation between conservatism, homophobia, racism, low IQ, and mental illness.

Homophobia, sort of. This stems from Christian values, not conservatism as a political philosophy, although this is not clinical homophobia. We're talking about the belief in homosexuality as ethically wrong, mostly. I'd say many conservatives don't experience actual homophobia when they interact with homosexuals. Some, sure. Most, probably not, or at least not to the extent of having a mental illness of some kind.

Racism, absolutely. Some of the last places where actual, nasty, in your face racism exist are definitively red states where Conservatism is king. The only racists in the left camp are those that are prejudice against white people, and I don't imagine studies like this are even considering those kinds of sentiments as racism, but rather enlightened social justice.

Mental illness is where we begin taking a serious leap in logic here. The argument that Conservatives are homophobic, and thus by extension also mentally ill, is based in the assessment that rather than being prejudice against homosexuals, or even more mildly, just believing that homosexuals live their lives in an unethical fashion by virtue of being homosexual.

Low IQ. This may actually be true, but it doesn't really say much. Higher IQ people aren't automatically correct in their political beliefs. That's not how that works, so it really only suggests that Conservatives are less cognitively equipped to perform the mental activities by which we judge intelligence. Someone with a high IQ can be incredibly wrong, because while their brains process information efficiently, they may be exposed to all the wrong information. The ability to critical think is not the same as the ability to process information quickly.

This is good.

From my experience I’ve noticed the same thing so I’m glad someone finally brought this up. Thanks for the post, Op.

Opinions on how a government should run a country isn't a mental disorder. Neither side. People just like to think that people that disagree with them are retarded.

Poor people voting for a government that keeps making them poorer, to make the rich, richer, is something I consider to be a mental disorder.

Its not a mental disorder. It's uneducated people being told what to do. It's happened for thousands of years.

Willful stupidity and excessive submissiveness isn't a mental disorder? Huh.

Don't. Just don't.

Michael Savage is such an abominable asshole he doesn't deserve to even be paraphrased, not even in a half-assed troll attempt.

As you can see, there does appear to be some correlation between conservatism, homophobia, racism, low IQ, and mental illness.

Note, huge demographic shifts occurred coming out of the 2016 election. Large number of independent and formerly dem voters rallied behind what they perceived to be the anti-establishment politics choice. Got a long unprecedented look at how much the electoral system is manipulated. Were disgusted by the shrill shaming, name-calling, and disgusting bullying tactics deployed at all levels. Became appalled by the lack of substance in the campaign platform, and lack of flexibility for negotiation on points that historically were classical liberal positions. For a host of reasons they noped on out of there. For many this was the first time they took a step back and asked why, exactly, they aligned with the left and could not come up with satisfactory answers given recent behavior.

The integrity issue is the big one the left will not allow people to rightfully call out and discuss. The leadership is rotten and those bad apples spread it to the rest of the party. There has been months of outrage and distraction to try and wait out long enough for people to forget. There are some things you just can't unsee.

The flagrant manipulation of the electoral system was to the point where the DNC defense in the Florida lawsuit is that they're allowed to pick winners in back rooms because they're a private entity. Let that sink in. The position is that the primary does not have to be a fair election by civil means, thus the public does not have the right to a vote in the outcome. It is completely unacceptable to work to strip voter rights away. The alternative is transfer of power solely by uncivil means, if one is to have a voice in the process. That's a horrific outcome we cannot allow to take place.

As a result we have HUGE fluid shift in voter populations within the last year and a half or so. I'd argue these shifts are sufficiently large as to make the results of these studies largely inaccurate. On review the studies primarily identify traditional conservative leaning voters, many of which supported establishment right candidates. This establishment wing of the right has largely collapsed, with something different emerging behind the DJT country first movement.

You seriously think the USA's so-called Democratic Party is leftist? I'd say you need to read much more on leftism, including what leftists say leftism is. In European terms the "Democrats" would be center-right.

In relative terms yes. In the US voters consider the Democrat party relatively to the left of the Republican party in a general sense.

The people that flock to the negative aspects of an ideology probably do have some kind of mental disorder. It could be the over the top SJW who some how finds a way to be offended by the most innocuous things or it could be the racist alt right weird-o who fetishises black leather clad Nazis... or maybe some less extreme version of either. To make a blanket statement that group X is mentally challenged is beyond absurd. The reality is both sides have more in common than not.

I haven't really met any people I would consider "fanatic trumpites" though I am sure they exist. Most of the people I have met that will actually admit they voted for trump simply hated Hillary and the DNC a lot more. As for Russian propaganda I don't personally think that any of it swayed the election in any kind of meaningful way. I mean maybe they just wanted to sow some divisiveness in the US and if that was their goal it seems to have worked. "everyone does it" ... well not saying I think its great but yeah everyone does do it... particularly the USA when it comes to meddling in other counties politics. Remember when we caused the collapse of the Soviet union? Do some digging on exactly how all that went down if you feel like be disgusted with the states more than you already are.

I hardly every hear that Russia is a friend, just that the portrayal of them is not much different than what the United States is doing to us after the passing of the propaganda bill the Christmas before Obama left office.

We gotta stop wafting our own propaganda before we lecture others when they use it against. It's just more cold war bullshit, only difference is that the American people are railing against it...because Cold Wars are shitty.

It gives the United States the ability and right to discern propaganda and water it down or spread it to the masses.

It basically allows them some aspect of gatekeeping.

Any examples of something that has come out of it?

Reddit post 2016, bot uprising, twitters inflated numbers and no earthly way to discern real users from bots, cambridge analytica, using the same system that they collect and categorize porn videos being the same metric for targeting facebook posts.

Idk, take your pick really. It could be the complete deadlock of the political season which is now neverending too. Which is why we have a president who as already started campaigning and the targeted politicization of children to take the mantle too.

Something broke in 2014-15 and the internet hasn't been the same since.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/5181/text

It gives our government pretty stout control over what enters our country propaganda-wise, but can anyone attest to the progress of the bill? It does seem that blatant propaganda has gotten fairly extreme on reddit and other social media hubs.

Do you only see the Trump side of the brigades?

I'm actually fairly curious on this one. I'm able to see ample evidence of vote manipulation, brigading, and downright forum sliding from each sect of our political spectrum. I noticed that you pinged out Trump supporters spreading a incredible amount, but I believe we are swarmed with it from every angle at this point. Everyone is vying for complete control of social media now that news can be curated based on region and basic profile information. It's just the effect of our enhanced spying system combined with complete cooperation with corporate interests on how best to market to us.

Strange behavior like: vote patterns staying locked at -1 so that they remain hidden (usually solely negative one, I'm not kidding, check some of the hidden comments), and the counterpoint which never features hyperlinks, or anything broader than an appeal to the audience with a near "Just look at em" style attack.

Top comments decrying the Trump spam is always bombarded to the top of threads, and any appeal to the idea that this may be a multifaceted assault is downvoted and berated by two-three accounts (on average per thread).

You want to know the weirdest part, is that it shifts. It will change from morning to night, from night to morning. Complete brigades of posts from every possible angle (racial, right, left, postmodern, religious). It's a god damn madhouse in every thread that houses a word or phrase that is deemed "controversial".

Have you noticed any of these strange occurrences in the sub?

See I don't look at things as purely anti-trump, anyone could thumb that into anything discussed on this sub somehow. They are there, and the dogpiling is incredibly real on those posts.

The goal isn't to be anti-trump, it's to fully destroy the sub itself. They do not want content that is actually relevant to be discussed (such as a possibility that we may invade syria or iran). It's to avoid naming names of actual criminals and to focus our efforts on the circus in front of us. This is Whitewater all over again, an actual crime clouded by immense bureaucracy. And everyone knows the 'political' elites can get away with whatever they almighty dollar allows.

They do not want content that makes countries and politicians look unfavorable so they slide them and call them propaganda. They attempt to shame anyone who even begins to think differently. We are no longer able to look at events earnestly without having to deal with attacks on character, and blatant ridicule of actually attempting to entertain and look into a conspiracy. When did mocking users actually contributing to posts become a thing this sub became cool with?

It's about clouding the air, thumbing in the talking points and keeping us riled up on issues that, as a country realistically will not be able to fix until another 50 years to a century, especially so since the whole 15 year war nonsense and giant buyouts ensured that we will forever be debt enslaved.

I wanted to clear that bit up so that it wasn't misinterpreted, I'm not pro trump, I'm completely antimarketing, antipropaganda, antiwar and what most people before 2016 would call a Classical liberal.

But the best examples just take clicking into TMOR honestly,

Besides examples such as TMOR posting in direct response to threads, such as the one alluding to conspiracy reaching 600,000 users.

Why would that be a point of contention?

They actually are still trying to eliminate some mods and rise themselves into a position of power into the sub. They talk about breaking conspiracy users will, and even today are talking about trying to put posts into contest mode to attempt to make the sub unreadable.

Go to the video of Assad driving today on this sub, notice how the comments portray him just like 2000 era Saddam? That's the tap tap tapping of the war drum.

Subs big enough for a lot of people, weird how the voices dictate what is and isn't appropriate conspiracy conversation.

You thumbed in Trump again and attributed to me, as if I was saying it is only a problem when they go after Trump. It's your bias, not mine.

Please do not do that, because It is not just Trump that gets pounced. Anyone watching new and the front page from morning checking intermittently through to the night will see evidence of multiple factions bombarding the sub.

Conservatism doesn't exist, nor does liberalism. We may as well be talking about colored balloons. It's rather bizarre to attempt to explain these things in terms of a pseudo-science in any case.

Psychoticism, Immature Defense Mechanisms and a Fearful Attachment Style are Associated with a Higher Homophobic Attitude

This is my favorite one since it first requires that you ignore the fact the homosexuality is objectively a mental disorder. No offense to anyone and I don't mind homosexuals or discriminate against them, but the first thing a homosexual will confess to you is that they started out life very confused and always trying to patch up whatever is wrong with them, that they could tell they were different. It's apparent even to them, just a question of would you rather be happy and embrace the mental disorder or be miserable and hate yourself for being different.

Transgenderism, homosexuality, psychopathy even schizophrenia are all divergent mental states. Not suited to maximize the potential for reproduction or even personal survival. But divergent states both mental and physical are apparently the mechanism through which we evolved so who am I to judge individuals for their unique state? So I don't judge them, I just recognize what they are and accept them for that. What I won't do is agree to their definition of what is normal or what is desirable.

A tyranny of the minority isn't the way. Especially when the minority isn't interested in reproduction or survival of the species.

Yeah but there are people who actively hate on gay people. Running up to them calling them mentally ill and not human. Not worthy of being alive. It happens.

I wouldn't call being gay a "mental disorder" though, personally. As it hinders them from really nothing. Yeah some of the men might be a little more girlish but otherwise the females just might be butch.

Especially when the minority isn't interested in reproduction or survival of the species.

Lots of gay men and women have had children. That's why it's not a disorder. Now chopping off your dick to become a "female"... that sounds like a mental disorder.

There are different levels of mental disorder, some obviously more functional than others.

Leftism is the real mental disorder. They dont know the difference between men and women. They fought for homosexuals to get married because their excuse was homosexuals cant change who they are. 2 years later the trans folk come barrging into mainstream declaring that "i cant change" mentality to be false by saying humans can change genders at will if they want to. Which is scientifically impossible but they believe it to be true, and call everyone who disagrees as bigots and Hitler.

All left leaning ideologies are about selfishness and chaos. Pure Satanic 101 Do what thou will as long as it doesnt hurt anyone physically philosophy. This is not Bible preaching this is Factually and historically know .

And for a fucking wake up call, it does actually hurt people in the mental state in the long run. Its all fucked up and everyone who is apart of this regurgitated already failed mindset that a socialist communistic state of "free everything" and "no guns" and no borders and everyone can have sex with who and whatever you want is begging for God to come back and destroy this earth.

Because when they are asked about their fucked up lifestyles they say "well dogs hump other dogs " and we are just like animals. NEWS FLASH , no we fucking are not. We are human beings far more advanced than any animal amd know the difference between right amd wrong and now the left are pushing the wrong as right and right as wrong. God help us all.

Religous men made America. 80% were Christain there was 1 Catholic and the rest were Agnostic and theists. No one was Atheist, or Jewish or Islamic or Hindu or Wiccan etc.. So your freedoms come through years of Christain men granting more freedoms because idiots kept abusing the freedoms they were given and demanding more. As it is now to be a faith believing Christian they are labeled bigots and hateful. When in fact collectively it is the other way around.

This is a fascist rant btw. I hope you seek help my friend because conservativism is a mental disorder. Makes you selfish, hateful and fascist. Acting like you have an invisible being of good on your side vs everyone else as evil as something in reality. NEWS FLASH there is no God. Like people being gay really harms you, buck the fuck up.

Rules 4 and 10

lol what?

Can we stop? This stuff is not helpful.

There's 2 possibilities for people. Either they mostly want to keep things the way they are (conservatism), or they want to change the things (progressivism).

You either want to maintain the old, or you want to change the old into something new.

Most people are a mix. Even modern progressives will eventually become conservatives if their ideas and goals are realized.

The modern political spectrum of partisan politics is a strict adherence to these ideas (old or new) with zero compromise. This is why both sides accuse the other of being a mental disorder.

Being flexible and willing to compromise or be persuaded to another point of view is why so many people are "moderates".

They've got one half of America hating the other half. The baddy could be anywhere it is most convenient thanks to the war on terror.

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