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With comments like this

"Holy shit... These girls only go liberal to be ugly so people (liberals) will stop wanting to rape them."

no one is going to miss you m8

It's WHAT you post in the Donald, not THAT you post in the Donald.

Wow are you gonna look back on the shit you believe right now and just shake your head...

There are a lot of us on the real Left here too man...we're not your enemies. Lots of us saw what HRC did to Bernie, saw the Wikileaks dumps, saw the Pgate evidence, and we're right there with you. The shills here aren't from the real Left, they're Corporatist Neocon/Neolib funded. "Centrists" from both sides here to crush anyone who things too far Left or Right.

You need to browse the sub by /new, it's where the best convo can still be had, and ground zero in the fight against the shills. I've personally encountered Libertarians, Anarchists, Socialists, Communists, Social Dems, and more. You gotta stick around, realize we all, Left and Right, are under attack, and fight with us.

as long as left believe theft and coercion is moral they are enemies. sorry.

Oddly enough theft and coercion is common on the right too.

give me example of it on the right.

What’s your left example? Taxes? Both parties tax.

parties are the same. most us are socialist whether they no it or not. it's a grand illusion. left is pro handouts which means that those who work give to those who do not. that's theft an immoral. right believes in freedom and personal responsibility. good example would be taking loan from government puts you in jail if not paid however taking loan from private company will not if not paid. those with student loans should understand and know this.

The patriot act and eminent domain

bad examples. those are authoritarian government and have nothing to do with right unless you are talking about how left and right have been warped and converged. remove that falsity and boil both down and the left still believes theft and coercion are moral. right does not think it is.

Look into Libertarian Socialism and Anarcho-syndicalism. Decentralized states based on communal values are possible. We're not your enemies.

asinine ideologies that always devolve into dictatorships and tyranny. lipstick on a pig. maybe she's libertarian socialist maybe it's just marxism rebranded. feelsgoodtobeignorant.jpeg

Lol Libertarian Socialism wont descend into dictatorship- it is against the idea of the State lol. It literally calls for decentralization and Direct Democracy, but if you want to ignore that that's your prerogative my friend.

tyranny of the mod is no better than tyranny of the state. one in the same and still built on the premise that theft and coercion is moral.

It's not Tyranny of the mob...its DD at the local level, with local institutions voluntarily associating into larger Confederations and Federations, based on re-callable delegates and not Representatives. Total lack of government and rules, pure Libertarianism, still leads to "tyranny" if taken to its logical extreme.

Libertarian Socialism is based on the Municipal level, and Free associations with that level and moving up- no one is forcing you to associate with your local municipality.

it is tyranny of the mob that you speak of. you are just ignorant or naive of the ideologies you speak about. every dictatorship was built on good intentions. it fails because it defies natural law.

not sure why people are just downvoting and not debating. fluoride in water must be working. terribly sad.

it is tyranny of the mob that you speak of. you are just ignorant or naive of the ideologies you speak about

No, I'm not ignorant at all. I'm trying to explain an Anarchist POV w/ a socially focused end game. There can be no dictatorship if there is no central government.

it fails because it defies natural law.

What I advocate for is natural...it calls for the justification of all Hierarchical institutions and elimination of those that can not defend their existence based on the legitimacy of the People and what the institutions represent.

not sure why people are just downvoting and not debating. fluoride in water must be working. terribly sad.

I'm getting heavily downvoted in several threads right now. Several threads you and I are engaged in have been linked to TMOR, none of it is generic.

the only viable anarchist system would be anarcho capitalist. the rest are asinine.

you can still have tyranny without a state

you have good intentions but history and natural law proves you wrong.

shame. we are having good discussion. maybe lost in translation but good discussion. to hell with meddlers!

I think we're gonna have to agree to disagree, especially with all the downvoters running around. I really appreciate the convo even tho I disagree. I'm sure we'll see each other again in /new tonight haha.

Best of luck with the shills, unfortunately I have but one upvote to give.

fair and good luck too! i'm not discouraging you just how do you say food for thought!?

Oh I understand, but I think we both believe pretty solidly in our differing perspectives on things, even though our end goals of decentralization and elimination of Tyranny are the same. We're still allies in the fight against corruption and that's all that matters to me.

I genuinely appreciate the convo- it's why I come to Reddit and specifically this sub. It feels like the last place on this goddamn site where you can actually talk to people.

Oxymoron Libertarian is not compatible with socialism. Equality of outcome is the antithesis of liberty

It's not an oxymoron at all- it's a vision of a decentralized society instilled with communal values who seek to take care of each other- through local institutions regulated via direct democracy.

The people at the very top who own everyone are quite excited that you're convinced your real enemy is the people in the other party.

you hate rich for theft but are for theft? you sound no better. glad you've been brainwashed by your enemy into being just like them. ha ha ha.

What are you defining as theft? Are you talking about taxes or something?

sure. can you get thrown in jail for not paying taxes? do you have a choice in how much you pay or if you want to pay? no choice means theft. being thrown in jail because of it means coercion.

If you want to go live in the woods and hunt rabbits and drink river water than you could probably get by without paying taxes.

cannot escape taxes or government. quality strawman fallacy though.

If you make no money they won't give a shit what rock you crawl under.

Government isn't your enemy and neither is the left.

government is number one killer in history.

That's true. But I trust it more than the right wingers currently trying to destroy it and loot the cash.

that makes no sense. right wingers are not separate from the government. they are in and make up government same with left wingers. both are the same and have been for a long time. both push government status quo. you seem very ignorant of us system. why two parties? why two paradigms? why two teams? you are being tricked. why does it take outsiders to get us people to understand this!?

They are not even remotely the same. That ship sailed a long time ago. Maybe you agree with right wing ideology and I can respect that but the two ideologies are not even remotely the same.

tell me how they are not the same. both support federal government and war and welfare and taxes.

You do have choice, representative government and voting. If you want to be a citizen you pay taxes for infrastructure like roads, protection from police/military, and on and on. And yes the disenfranchised pay less and in some cases get help, but that's because we choose to help because not to do so is immoral.

So if that means the most entitled rich folk and corporations pay more into the system then so be it - it is the cost of a stable growing economy which is what enables their wealth.

Maybe its different those bastions of freedom like Russia.

rich people told you all of that. checkmate!

Not sure what you are implying but no rich people did not tell me anything. The only thing the entitled rich have shown me is that they control the government through lobbyists and special interests so they can exert their will to pass laws that favor their investments.

where did you hear and learn all of that?

I figured it out all by myself.

you've self taught your whole life?

Doesn't everyone?

no.

Yeah, those people own everything...including all the mainstream media outlets you keep pushing on here libtard. You're fuckin hilarious...really fuckin hilarious.

Go get your next CNN or Washington Post or New York Times article so that you can point us to the truth. I know..you don't use FOX...but it's on the fucking list too as far as I'm concerned.

You will never add up on this sub...never...

Feisty. I dig it. I actually do watch Fox news and I listen to conservative talk radio when I'm in the car. Just because something is on TV doesn't mean it's not true. Just because someone has a motive doesn't mean what they are saying isn't true. I think it's odd that people don't believe anything they see on TV, but a 4chan screen shot will do just fine.

Same old beat horse 4chan talking point...

You conflate "don't believe" with "questioning"...there is the fatal flaw of you argument.

This sub is about questioning everything.

Like I said...you will never ask up on this sub. Never have...never will...

So when Trump says he didn't collude with Russia, you question that right?

Still waiting for the investigation to finish...unlike alot of people.

But this is what I know about you. If Mueller comes to the conclusion that there was no collusion. You will go straight to the obstruction charge. If Mueller says...no, there wasn't actually obstruction...you will go to the next talking point the mainstream media gives you to impeach Trump with.

Guarantee it libtard. It's money in the bank.

I'm actually looking forward to this all coming to a close. I just want to know what they got. If they don't have a case against Trump on collusion or obstruction, I'm not gonna whine about it. And I'm not gonna say they got it wrong either. So maybe you don't know as much about me as you think dude. I'm pretty reasonable. You just seem to hate my opinions.

I try not to hate anyone for their opinions. Golden rule n all...but you're not a conspiracy theorist...you value what the mainstream media has to say above anything else. They are your source for truth...

Never add up libtard..not ever.

I believe in plenty of conspiracies dude. The whole 911 thing started on the left. Then Alex Jones sort of took over the conspiracy movement and brought in a ton of conservatives. Now people think you're not a real conspiracy theorist if you don't think Hillary murders children and sells their organs on the black market. Or that Satanists are running the whole world. But there's a place for left leaning people here. I enjoy talking to people that disagree with me. It shouldn't piss you off dude.

How many times have I seen you give this answer now libtard? Almost word for word every single time.

The whole 911 thing stated on the left...then on to the AJ line then on to the false equivalent Hillary and Satanist line..

Too bad you never participate in any of the 9/11 discussions libtard...I'm sure ya got a shit ton to contribute.

And by the way...you never actually say you believe there was a conspiracy regarding 9/11...

You always say "I believe in alot of conspiracies" and then you say "the whole 9/11 thing started on the left.

But I've never seen you say...9/11 was a massive conspiracy because (insert the actual research and sincere opinion on why here)

I can tell you're having fun using my name. I've maybe said a similar comment to this twice. I'm not sure how often you respond to me. I'm on the fence with the 911 stuff. Don't really have a strong opinion on it.

Hahahaha....that's right, you don't have an opinion on it. Because if you did, then quoting the CIA and the NSA and any other intelligence agency as gospel truth on this sub wouldn't fucking add up would it?

On the fence....fuckin hilarious.

You'll never add up on this sub...never.

Edit: and why on earth would you use 9/11 constantly as your bona-fides when it's really not?

I hate labels but Libertarian here =) ans I use /new almost exclusively

/new really is the best way to go. So much fun shit, and way more "real" People to talk with- who have different view points! And aren;t upset to talk to other people with different view points!

This thread was linked in TMOR, they are gonna be downvoting any and all things they disagree with. Just know it's not organic.

Goddamn tho, the delusions of TMOR users are fun as hell to read. I was banned from posting there awhile back lol, but I still check it out every day or two to see what posts got linked, and if any of mine or my comments did haha.

It's good fun to read their insanity. Once you realize it for insanity haha.

And they think the same of us haha. It's hilarious.

They get really upset whenever people don't fit into their predetermined boxes.

Have you seen CRIM3S? I know that’s not hip-hop/grime, but I fuckin’ love that band and I wanna know that they’re good live. Never gonna see them in the US, I’m assuming.

What is the Pgate evidence?

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1497611 is a good place to start.

So cheese pizza means pedophilia. And there is a band that plays at the pizza place that made a Jered Fogel joke. And a pizza place near this pizza place has a symbol that looks like a different symbol. And John Podesta knew the Speaker of the House and Podesta received an email. And gays use handkerchiefs.

Is that a reasonable summary of the evidence?

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"they went into panic mode when trump won, and certain topics became public knowledge, and have been desperately scrambling to gain control again but the illusion has broken for too many."

Wow that's exactly when this happened, it might turn around again when Soros get's his assets seized etc.

Pizzagate was nonsense from the start, pushed by hyperpartisan shills and Russian trolls.

not true!

Haha. Pgate was never nonsense, it is the rot that sits at the heart of the entire global political nexus.

Franklin Scandal shows how this shit was active in the 80's: (Conspiracy of Silence) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBSIDQt5Dwc&t=207s

Dutroux affair, involving European Pols and Nobility- https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1cm0t3/original_research_the_mountain_of_evidence_for_a/

Dennis Hastert, former Speak of the House, barred from being alone with kids- https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/13/us/dennis-hastert-restrictions-children/index.html

Fully sourced Pgate summary- https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1497611

Pizzagate = bullshit.

"Pedophiles exist" = not bullshit

Pgate is the political arm of Pedogate, which ties into HW abuse by Elites as well. This shit runs far deeper than you think, and these incidents aren't isolated.

And that's fine and we can all agree that we investigate it all but pizza gate and comet ping pong was born out of TheDonald. It started as a political weapon 100%.

No, it really didn't. Pgate started from the Wikileaks email and was being discussed in r/politics, r/conspiracy, r/wayofthebern, dozens of smaller subs, 4chan, r/pizzagate, and TD. It was never a partisan issue- that's what the MSM wanted you to believe. As my links above show- the Reps are just as involved with this shit.

I don't agree and I very much think the evidence is shit . I believe you all got taken to the cleaners on that one.

But happy cake day anyway!

Well then we must agree to disagree. I think this shit goes far deeper than any partisan BS people want to bring up- and I think it is the key to removing the corrupting rot that strangles the Social and Political wings of the Republic.

That said, thanks. We might come across each other again in /new, who knows...

TMOR has this post linked. You are correct in what you believe in, /u/garyp714 is just ignorant. One look into James Alefantis's instagram history (for the pizza place btw) would show you all you need. Any TMOR people that read this and actually care about knowing the truth, look up "James Alefantis instagram" on Google. This is part of what Pizzagate is. And it is very, very real.

I first learned of pizza gate on r/Sandersforpresident. People started talking about it when the podesta emails came out. Whether it's true or not, pizza gate is not exclusively a right wing conspiracy theory. Either you honestly didn't know or you're being dishonest

True that there are tons of gullible folks on the left.

What I'm saying is the source of the conspiracy was the podesta emails regardless of whatever revisionist history you decide to prescribe to

No, the source was 4chan alt-righters literally making shit up from tidbits pulled from the Podesta emails.

You can believe whatever your want man, but you're wrong

The great part is that it's up to you folks to prove it and in a year and a half you have zero proof, zero evidence, zero leads and zero indictments.

Dude, i never accused anyone of anything. Just trying to set the record straight for any casual lurkers out there.

It was never a partisan issue-

I'm sure it was pure coincidence that every single person accused of being a pedo in the pizzagate story just happened to be a democrat.

Just like Dennis Hastert and Lawrence King were Republicans...the Dems just happened to be outed this time around.

Just like Dennis Hastert and Lawrence King were Republicans...the Dems just happened to be outed this time around.

There is actual proof that Hastert was a pedophile who molested his students when he was a teacher. There were actual victims that accused him of this and he confessed to it.

There are actual victims that reported Lawrence King to the FBI for molesting them.

Can you name one single victim of pizzagate?

Can you name one single victim of pizzagate?

[cue crickets]

How long before the kids abuse by hastert came forward? If I'm not mistaken it was decades. And who's to say that victims haven't come forward yet? Could be an investigation going on right now that simply hasn't been reported. Or people could have come forward and been silence like so many before. That's not a very good argument in rebuttal of pizza gate

And who's to say that victims haven't come forward yet?

Name one. Funny how no one called Hastert or King a pedophile before victims actually came forward and accused them, but when it comes to democrats you apparently don't even need a victim to accuse them of a pretty damn serious crime.

You're the one making this bi partisan. Not to mention, i haven't accused anyone of anything. You're argument is weak, just because the victims haven't done an interview in 60 minutes doesn't mean the victims don't exist. Sometimes it takes decades for people to come forward. No to mention the harassment and intimidation a person would face when trying to expose powerful people. Don't be willfully obtuse

You're the one making this bi partisan.

I'm not the one who made up a conspiracy theory to unfairly label democrats as pedophiles.

i haven't accused anyone of anything.

No you're just here defending the idiots that did accuse them.

just because the victims haven't done an interview in 60 minutes doesn't mean the victims don't exist.

So you'd be perfectly fine if a bunch of people publicly accused you of being a pedophile even if not a single person has ever accused you of molesting them? Is that what you're saying?

Here's a brilliant idea! How about we wait until someone actually steps forward and accuses these people of molesting them before we publicly call them out for one of the worst crimes imaginable?

I'm not defending anyone just disagreeing with your false statement about the origin of pizza gate. Get your shit together, you're all over the place. Can't your focus on one thing?

You didn't answer my question.

So you'd be perfectly fine if a bunch of people publicly accused you of being a pedophile even if not a single person has ever accused you of molesting them? Is that what you're saying?

I never accused anyone of anything bro. That's a stupid question. I disagreed with your logic that if you haven't heard of any victims accuse anyone then no crime has been committed. That is just a ridiculous proposition. A crime can be committed regardless of whether or not victims accuse someone and vice versa. So, why don't you ask another rhetorical question?

I disagreed with your logic that if you haven't heard of any victims accuse anyone then no crime has been committed.

No, if there's no victims and no evidence then you can't ACCUSE A SPECIFIC PERSON of a crime. You understand that pizzagate is a conspiracy ACCUSING specific democrats of being pedophiles, right? You understand these democrats have never once been accused of molesting children, right? So how do you justify people being accused of molesting children when no children have every accused them of anything?

First off, I'm not anyone of anything, for the hundredth time. Pizza gate to me is simply an investigation. AFAIK, no one has brought charges against anyone in a court of law in regards to pizza gate. A lot of people are convinced that podesta is a child molester/abuser. Personally I think there isn't enough evidence to prove he or alefantis are actually involved in child trafficking. I do think the emails are very strange and there is definitely some strange code words being used but that's as far as I'm willing to say is true beyond a doubt. Again, I'm just arguing against you're shitty logic that a crime only exists if you have heard if a victim has come forward to accuse someone

Again, I'm just arguing against you're shitty logic that a crime has only been committed if a victim has come forward to accuse someone

That's not even close to what I'm saying here. This was a discussion about pizzagate specifically, and pizzagate is 100% based on accusing actual people of hurting children even though not a single child has accused these people of hurting them. My point is you can't accuse a specific person of being a pedophile if no victim has accused that person of molesting them.

Uh, you certainly can accuse someone of being a pedophile without a victim coming forward. What if the victim is dead? Also, technically being a pedophile isn't illegal. Looking at cp and actually abusing children is

What if the victim is dead?

If they're dead how do you know they're a victim of abuse to begin with?

An autopsy.

Okay, so there would be physical evidence of sexual abuse. Now how do you actually accuse a specific person of inflicting that abuse?

You understand these democrats have never once been accused of molesting children, right? So how do you justify people being accused of molesting children when no children have every accused them of anything?

That's not actually true. Cathy O'Brien for one has accused Hillary Clinton, among others, of raping her as a child many years back, did so in a published book (where she claims to have been a subject of a child-focused MK-Ultra government program, described in great detail) and has never been sued or anything. Not many people consider her very credible, mind, as her accusations go so far beyond consensus reality, but the assertion that none of these people involved have ever been accused of anything like this before is false.

Pedophiles and highly organized and connected pedophile groups exist.

Pizzagate may be complete bullshit, haven't really looked into it or forgot anything I knew about it

Well said and sadly true

Well said! Also, Happy Cake Day to you!

Thanks DG. It's been a fun night so far...several posts were linked over in TMOR and the downvotes have been a flowin' haha.

Yeah, I noticed lots of downvotes and people not agreeing with your comment. To me, the Franklin cover up tells me all I need to know!

No one ever wants to address it either. They jumped right to "PG is fake partisan BS"...but when you mention Hastert and the Franklin scandal? Or Dutroux? Nothing. Nothing but downvotes, that is ;)

We know the scary truth. We just need to stay positive and hope others will wake up to the truth too.

We also need to all work on taking this fight outside of the confines of internet forums. It's time to start talking to Friends and Family, and slowly showing them the reality, even though it is painful and may be rejected by some.

With the ever increasing levels of internet censorship, there will come a day when we will only be able to rely on word of mouth and IRL communication, I fear.

You are right about this!

To be fair there is a difference between pizzagate and the Franklin cover up. Pizzagate commonly refers to Alefantis, Podesta, and Comet. Nobody on this sub is denying elite pedophelia in general. Nobody is denying pedogate. Pizzagate is a problematic term because of its specificity. If you start using the term pedogate you will get no argument from people here (I’m generalizing I know). You may disagree with my definition of Pizzagate, and that’s fine and fair, but hopefully you can see how it can be confusing to others who read posts with that term because of the history of the phrase.

I believe in both Pedogate and Pizzagate. They are different but connected. Pgate is a specific incident which arose from the Wikileaks emails, Pedogate is the large issue itself. Franklin, Dutroux, Hastert, etc; just add to the evidence that this shit does happen, and it makes Pgate all that more believable. Pgate is definitely the "smaller" of the issues, but Pgate spiraled into Pedogate in its modern iteration. I think they are all connected.

I understand you believe in both, that’s fine, but your defense of Pizzagate in the original post I replied is to bring up Franklin etc. I can totally believe that Pizzagate is partisan and false and still believe Franklin, Hastert, etc. are very real. You saying ‘well what about Franklin’ does nothing to prove Pizzagate, so what do you want them to say? Sure the respectable thing to do would be to say ‘I agree elite pedophelia exists in this country and government, and you have given me a good example I too believe in. However I still believe Pizzagate is false’, but I can see why they may just downvote you for changing the subject (tangentially) and move on (not good rediquette on their part tho).

Pgate doesn't equal all organized pedophile groups.

People don't deny that organized pedophile groups do exist. Some don't believe pizzagate however.

^ This is the kind of attitude we have to deal with in a sub dedicated to conspiracy theories.

What I'm describing is a conspiracy in and of itself. It just doesn't involve squinting at a picture of ping-pong paddles and concluding that it kinda, sorta looks like butterflies, and therefore must be evidence of a satanic pedophile ring.

Sorry bro, I'm a skeptical free-thinker.

I watched pizzagate get stoked by trump supporters and kept alive for a year and a half. Anyone that doesn't see that conspiracy to smear politically is all about team red.

Wow you are not going to get away with strawmanning Pizzagate. There is ample evidence and a lot of serious connections between Comet Ping Pong Pizza and FBI-released child-love symbols. There is no conspiracy in Pizzagate, it is very real. Pedogate is the one that doesn't have anything concrete.

His username outs him

Yes. And that should tell you something.

An entire sub with years dedicated to rooting out the truth has near unanimously decided that pizzagate is bullshit.

Consider that.

I mean we legit talk about Sasquatch and UFO abductions, and pizzagate is too far out there for anyone except the alt-right.

That's just you and the rest of the Hivemind. Most genuine users here know that Pizzagate is real.

Most genuine users here know that Pizzagate is real.

Then why do such threads get downvoted below zero constantly?

Look, I hate Hillary, I wanted pizzagate to be real.

FUCK I even made a fuckdamn VOAT account just to follow the leads.

But after about 2 months I realized it's all bullshit.

Sure, there are elite child rape cadres in the highest places of power all over the world.

But not being hosted in a shitty pizza parlor with a subbasement that doesn't exist.

Then why do such threads get downvoted below zero constantly?

Because there is a ton of shilling and votebotting in this sub. Back before this shilling got intense, these topics didn't get downvoted like that.

Pizzagate was always about pedophilia among the so-called elites, and Comet Pingpong/Alefantis are part of that.

Sorry, no.

Shareblue pulled up roots a long time ago, just go check the shillary subs to prove this to yourself.

What you are seeing here are mainly pissed off actual redditors.

Look, I know pedophilia has been a disease of the elite since recorded history. It isn't restricted, as you think, to just one party or group.

Because you constantly bash the pizzagate theory, restricting your scope especially when such obvious evidence is everywhere that it is a feature of wealth and power, and not political affiliation, you miss out on so many clues.

That is why you are abhorrent to me.

Yes Alefantis is probably a kiddy diddler (his instagram is fucking disturbing), he isn't the only one, and he isn't even the most egregious perpetrator.

Look, I know pedophilia has been a disease of the elite since recorded history. It isn't restricted, as you think, to just one party or group.

I don't know why you're assuming things I never said. Of course it isn't restricted to one party.

That is why you are abhorrent to me.

So I'm abhorrent to you because you make up shit that isn't true? Blocked, not worth my time.

I don't know why you're assuming things I never said.

The main thrust of pizzagate is that it's a liberal conspiracy, you do realize that right?

Blocked, not worth my time.

Run away little ruskie, run away.

Lmfao so cringe

an influx of a couple hundred thousand newbies who have no history or context beyond election-post election (about a 3rd of the folks here subscribed) vs the 200k-300k crowd that has been here for a decade or so has surely seen a headache of .... perspective change in direction and narrow scope of events trending for sure.

give it time.

HOPEFULLY eventually they will mellow out and realize that all this 'big' news is actually old news and we're actually glad others are starting to pay attention....

or 'correct-think' will suppress any intelligent investigations and we'll migrate and reddit will die off.

who knows.

Take your -15 comments like a man and stop crying. We all get them, who cares.

Mine usually hover at 1.

Have a upvote to get to 2

Yay! I'll buy you a vodka!

Is that the new currency Putin is paying us with?

Putin sent me two women to fulfil my piss fetish. Interestingly enough the girlfriend is cool with having them around. Really pays to be on Putin's good side. When I shilled for Obama all I got was coffee dates with traps.

When I shilled for Obama all I got was coffee dates with traps.

All I got where Michelle Obama dick picks

Personally i find Trump has quite a lot of support here, as one would expect from the outsider candidate promising to take down the "swamp".

Hell, even a lot of the lefties make sense.

Just wait until DJT is out of office. Then things here will go back to normal.

You're probably right. I'll probably be on-the-move soon, too.

I dunno, after the Democrats sabotage themselves in 2020 and Trump is re-elected, you'll be waiting until 2024 to "go back to normal". Except it won't, because if the astroturf is "successful" in the here-and-now, why wouldn't they still be doing it in 2024? They might change the flavor a bit, accusing a new popular politician of being a Russian spy for no real reason, but it won't stop.

The well has been poisoned.

There are a few of us still fighting the gold fight. But the mods will not do anything about the obvious shills. They let them have free reign. Why? I have no idea. Many of us have named names. Yet nothing.

But the mods will not do anything about the obvious shills. They let them have free reign. Why? I have no idea

Everybody's a shill except you right? I personally don't like your Christian posts and they feel shill-ish to me. I don't run to the mods and whine about you.

At this point the complaining about shills cacophony far outweighs any noise the shills make.

Lol Christian posts? You know I'm a pagan, right? I venerate the goddess of the grove.

But the mods will not do anything about the obvious shills. They let them have free reign. Why? I have no idea

Everybody's a shill except you right? I personally don't like your Christian posts and they feel shill-ish to me. I don't run to the mods and whine about you.

At this point the complaining about shills cacophony far outweighs any noise the shills make.

For the record.

Yawn.

both parties suck ass

It's people fighting against assholes from everywhere. Not left or right or center or religious people or blacks and white. It's assholes against reason. Assholes controlled by their psychosis and deep denial about their own truths about themselves and their own greedy needs.

Assholes.

We are getting to the point where people posting about this sub being taken over are just karma whoring. That's my conspiracy anyway.

Dude your 100% right. Sad.

As you have already stated, the truth always prevails. Say it how you see it - we will all be better for it because at some point it does make a difference.

Best of luck to you, mate.

No it doesn't no one does anything and everyone forgets about it in a couple days

Godspeed! They may have broken us but much like websites before this we will migrate and find somewhere new. However they will probably brand us with a title that the msm can use to demonize everyone involved.

Lefty here aswell m8, they put too much stress on the system doin anything so that crooks never see the inside of a jail cell. I use to like obama, thought ole USA was gonna turn a leaf, a fantasy! They had complete control of government, never did a meaningful change.

I guess what im really trying to say is...im a russian programed shill/traitor. So yeeea.

I agree. I am only here to potentially make the occasional contact and find the links to the best chan threads in controversial.

I write primarily now for steemit to make some pennies, you may like some of the stuff I've been writing about.

https://steemit.com/@mindhawk

I have outed numerous agents and shill accounts over there, I'm not sure the platform will survive though, too much spam and there are some major propaganda accounts there that are so rich they can buy credibility.

This sub is now a write off to shills, mainly from the left

I can see where this is going, and ofc ur from TD. You people are what ruined, brigaded, and highly politicized this sub and you think the “left” are the ones shilling? Sorry the sub isnt 95% anti Hillary posts anymore, bc that was fun while it last for the last year and a half.

Good riddance, maybe if ppl like you (with political sticks up their ass) leave the sub will go back to being abt conspiracies.

You are completely misunderstanding what I said, this sub was politicized, i.e. turned into a political battleground and haven for TD to spam anti-DNC, Hillary Clinton, Podesta, etc. stuff until there was quite literally nothing else on the front page. I’m assuming I don’t need to remind you of the times when 23/25 of the front page posts would be abt Hillary? Politically motivated brigading isn’t the point of a conspiracy sub, and I can only assume that you have some misguided notion that the left is taking over the sub now (despite the fact that the sub is still predominately conservative) bc the sub isn’t as disgustingly biased as it was only a short while ago.

good shill control

If you participate in the haven of propaganda, censorship, brainwashing, and brigading that is TD ofc you want “shill control,” or an excuse to silence everyone you disagree with.

Hmmm, pretty close to what he labelled you as. Not a fan of labels but you pretty much described it for him.

If you can get a good takeaway from him calling you a TD monkey, not saying I agree, its that the complaints about the sub being ruined, I think fairly should be directed towards the massive Hillary posts over the last year. She's out of office and the Clinton foundation is at best in deep hibernation, if not competley gone. Yet we saw massive, massive volume of posts of stuff related to her while completely ignoring Donald's in your face self serving actually documented conspiracies being shown in real time.

He conspired to do stuff, did that stuff and then told us he did it. Meanwhile most of this sub, for a better part of a year, seemed to have laser focus for the person that lost the election and most of her political power and things that have already been discussed ad nauseum.

Beeehngaaaauuuziii!

Donald fired head of FBI

Hillary and bill know Epstein

Donald's kids have direct financial connection to people getting goverment deals

BengauzAnianin....it was obamas fault but now we are sure it's Hillary 100 percent to blame....and somehow this is a conspiracy post.

Hillary screwed over Sanders.......

Yeah she did

Wait, we agree on this?

Yeah, let's keep posting about it but ignore Donald Trump, the guy actually in office and all.the borderline illegal, if not flat out illegal stuff he has done

A lot of his business dealings beforehand, forcing people to sue to be paid. If he didn't have the lawyers he did, I'd argue he would have been charged with fraud several times. Ask how the people of scotland feel about his tactics in getting what he wants.

The women claiming to be assaulted by him. Don't believe them if you want but they are no more politically or financially motivated then all the people talking about pizzagate or Benghazi with just as much "evidence" and facts people can "do their research on".

Lie after lie after lie. Contradicts himself in his own sentences often.

My personal opinion is that based on what he says publically, he has likely said treasonous statements many times behind closed doors. I'd argue knowingly lying to the American public should be treason or fraud. A crime against democracy. Sounds dramatic sure but no more dramatic then your original post.

My biggest point is that left leaning shills or not, no way you can agree that they are the dominant shill side. Might be brigading but the Hillary posts about nonsense dominated for a year. There was by far a right bias and when people started to notice, it started to die down. People were politically motivated, not conspiracy motivated to post Hillary stuff. A lot were not even conspiracies, just her possibly being involved in something shitty.

I think she is shit but this we all would have been better served to have a sub for anything with keywords trump or hillary auto posted to another new subreddit. r/shillconspiracy or something like that for all your political propaganda jobs

Was with you until you said "mainly from the left"

Not 100 percent sure this ain't a troll post. I nearly left the sub because of flooding of nonsense Hillary posts. Not saying it's skewed left or right but I had to defend, multiple times on other subs, this sub as everyone labelled it as right leaning Donald monkeys.

Really I think it's multiple people trying to censor anybody possible hitting the nail.on the head with a legitimate conspiracy or questioning anyone in power.

Left or right, whoever is in power or fighting for it are currently trying to silence any real discourse because then they have to actually defend their ideas rather then just label people as commies or white supremisists or whatever. They don't want their ideas challenged. They want you to agree or be fully demonized by labelling so your opinion is silenced socially

I think it's sad that people think Democrats and liberals are on the left.

They know where you live. They let you live.

i downvoted you. another dumb conspiracy theory.

Every time I post a thread or join a thread about Flat Earth, it is completely overrun by "skeptics" who downvote all pro-FE comments and then demand evidence after dismissing evidence already presented. I understand that people have a difference of opinion and I am not advocating to ban people who don't share certain viewpoints. All I'm saying is that it's a little odd that people would come to this sub and force their own definition of what constitutes an acceptable conspiracy theory. If we talk about theories that don't jive with all the skeptics, it makes more sense for the skeptics to debate us. Instead, they just attack you as uneducated and then refuse to address any points you've made while asserting that you're the one making baseless claims without evidence. They are definitely playing with language in order to seem like they espouse an undeniable position, but the whole point of being here is to discuss possible deception, so for them to come here and assert that there is no deception is very telling. It's one thing to say "yeah these governmental institutions are lying to us" and it's another thing to say "they are lying to us because they are hiding a flat earth." Most of these skeptics won't even admit to premise one and will vehemently attack you for suggesting the second premise.

Good riddance

This sub is now a write off to shills, mainly from the left,

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

*cough* *wheeze*

Fuck now my ribs are in pain... I think I might have broken something...

Yep

Can Americans please stop with the "Left/Right" shit, it really makes you all look like you're still playing their propaganda game.

If you want to go live in the woods and hunt rabbits and drink river water than you could probably get by without paying taxes.

You do have choice, representative government and voting. If you want to be a citizen you pay taxes for infrastructure like roads, protection from police/military, and on and on. And yes the disenfranchised pay less and in some cases get help, but that's because we choose to help because not to do so is immoral.

So if that means the most entitled rich folk and corporations pay more into the system then so be it - it is the cost of a stable growing economy which is what enables their wealth.

Maybe its different those bastions of freedom like Russia.

that makes no sense. right wingers are not separate from the government. they are in and make up government same with left wingers. both are the same and have been for a long time. both push government status quo. you seem very ignorant of us system. why two parties? why two paradigms? why two teams? you are being tricked. why does it take outsiders to get us people to understand this!?

I understand you believe in both, that’s fine, but your defense of Pizzagate in the original post I replied is to bring up Franklin etc. I can totally believe that Pizzagate is partisan and false and still believe Franklin, Hastert, etc. are very real. You saying ‘well what about Franklin’ does nothing to prove Pizzagate, so what do you want them to say? Sure the respectable thing to do would be to say ‘I agree elite pedophelia exists in this country and government, and you have given me a good example I too believe in. However I still believe Pizzagate is false’, but I can see why they may just downvote you for changing the subject (tangentially) and move on (not good rediquette on their part tho).

You can believe whatever your want man, but you're wrong

First off, I'm not anyone of anything, for the hundredth time. Pizza gate to me is simply an investigation. AFAIK, no one has brought charges against anyone in a court of law in regards to pizza gate. A lot of people are convinced that podesta is a child molester/abuser. Personally I think there isn't enough evidence to prove he or alefantis are actually involved in child trafficking. I do think the emails are very strange and there is definitely some strange code words being used but that's as far as I'm willing to say is true beyond a doubt. Again, I'm just arguing against you're shitty logic that a crime only exists if you have heard if a victim has come forward to accuse someone

What if the victim is dead?

If they're dead how do you know they're a victim of abuse to begin with?

You understand these democrats have never once been accused of molesting children, right? So how do you justify people being accused of molesting children when no children have every accused them of anything?

That's not actually true. Cathy O'Brien for one has accused Hillary Clinton, among others, of raping her as a child many years back, did so in a published book (where she claims to have been a subject of a child-focused MK-Ultra government program, described in great detail) and has never been sued or anything. Not many people consider her very credible, mind, as her accusations go so far beyond consensus reality, but the assertion that none of these people involved have ever been accused of anything like this before is false.