Is there any compelling conspiracy/evidence, ANY, for the old "Hitler did nothing wrong" phrase?
0 2018-03-28 by Zica96
So is there? Like not just the Holocaust one, but other things also, like did he really plan to exterminate all of the "non Aryan/Germans" after the war, or was he just more "pro white Europe" and not "GAS EVERYTHING", you get the point. Also, other dictators/authoritarians at the time (and later) had some redeeming qualities, like Tito for example, so was he that bad, is what i'm trying to say. All in all, not trying to say he didn't do anything wrong, just is everybody "demonizing" him for a good reason, or is it a little bit fabrication?
PS; don't take this too seriously or get offended, please. This is just a thought i had these days, after watching some documentaries.
58 comments
1 Zap_Powerz 2018-03-28
Have you ever heard the story of the Chinese farmer?
1 Zica96 2018-03-28
Well, that's an odd way of saying "maybe" lol.
1 Zap_Powerz 2018-03-28
Well, Hitler did kill Hitler. Maybe Hitler killed someone that would have been far worse than Hitler if it wasnt for Hitler.
1 paulmr- 2018-03-28
Well, under Hitler the trains ran on time. Evidently trains running on time can be used to justify a lot.
1 Zica96 2018-03-28
Haha, well yeah, guess you could call that an upside. The animal protection also i guess.
1 Mecanatron 2018-03-28
He was a psychopath. But lets be honest, so where the rest of them in their own particular ways. Churchill was a fucking scumbag.
No whataboutery intended, he was just another lunatic that got caught on the wrong side of history.
1 paulmr- 2018-03-28
There are people who think Hitler was kind of a front man / stooge and the person with the real power was Rudolf Hess.
Bang on about Churchill by the way
1 Mecanatron 2018-03-28
He was 100% a front man.. For certain American bankers nonetheless.
Prescott Bush and the UBC werent funding him for shits and giggles, thats for damn sure.
They're all front men at the end of the day, they just front in different ways to fool us into believing they're good/right.
1 WestCoastHippy 2018-03-28
He was a puppet of the Vril Society and the Thule Society (heavy overlaps), heavily occultish groups. They Nazi regime was so occult they used resources mid-war to try and find occult methods of winning the war.
Raiders of the Lost Ark is kinda true. It's partially why Italy invaded Ethiopia.
Nazis traveled to Tibet to learn how the Green Dragon Society operated, and to gain access to the underground tunnels/bases/races said to be under Tibet.
1 Zica96 2018-03-28
Can i get any material on that? Video or written, if you will.
1 WestCoastHippy 2018-03-28
The book is The Spear of Destiny by Trevor Ravenscroft.
It mostly focuses of Hitler's and his backers attempts to first acquire, then use, the power contained within the spear to win the war (super condensed recap).
The Spear of Destiny is the one that pierced the side of Jesus, by the hands of Longinus, as Jesus was being crucified by Pilate.
As the tale unfolds, the Vril, Thule, and Tibet connections are discussed, but not the focus.
Lots of other occult and r/conspiracy concepts are discussed as well, root races, remote viewing (one Nazi general claimed he could remote view, and knew of troop movements, etc before the Allied did them), consciousness, all sorts of good stuff.
1 Zica96 2018-03-28
Nice, i'll definitely look into it! Is it available online?
1 WestCoastHippy 2018-03-28
Yea I bought it used off Amazon
1 paulmr- 2018-03-28
Thomas Sheridan : Walpurgis Night Thomas has lots of videos on YouTube too
1 Zica96 2018-03-28
Never heard of the guy, but his videos look interesting
1 Hrvatix 2018-03-28
Here's some really interesting book, the author spent more than a decade researching the matter. P.S here is the link of the book with its short contents, I'm not advertising it though. https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/hitlers-monsters-prof-eric-kurlander/1124844488
1 Zica96 2018-03-28
Strange, it's like I've come across that book before.. nevertheless, i'll look into it :)
1 Hrvatix 2018-03-28
This book is a spot on, found it in the library when was on holiday in Ireland, compared to other books, the author takes real scientific approach with lots of facts and documentation.
1 Zica96 2018-03-28
Cool man. Also; pozdrav ;)
1 Zica96 2018-03-28
Well yeah, i mean he probably was. But isn't it kinda strange (at least to me) that so many people followed him? Like i know about the state of Germany and it's people at the time and all (that's kinda normal, considering how they had nothing to do with the army, so they weren't "burdened" by their actions), but how come there wasn't any resistance or segregation within the army, like lets say a regiment or something decides they wont burn//rape/kill anymore (in Russia. for example) and "protests" or something? How come they went to such lengths to secure so much land, kill so many, and do those things just because a crazy guy told them too? I mean, there was like 7+ million people in their army at the time, how come non rebelled? But is there such a theory, as i said above?
1 Mecanatron 2018-03-28
Up to about 3 months after he was elected he was great. I'd have voted for him.
But 3 months was the turning point, the night of the long knives.
1 Zica96 2018-03-28
It kinda takes a darker turn when you consider the army, in my opinion. Because of the things i said before, the size, no rebellion and all. Maybe extreme German nationalism? But Nazism was kinda borderline occultic, so again weird.
1 Mecanatron 2018-03-28
Every leader needs a cult like frenzy to go to war. You cant convince normal people to fight unless they fell they're 'the good guys'.
Bush's administration had the 9/11 card to get that frenzy going, the good guys versus 'the terrorists'. I guess Hitler had Germany's astronomical economic recovery versus the perceived wrong doings of the Jews?
1 Zica96 2018-03-28
Well yes, but how come they sustained that frenzy all throughout the war? Even after, when they were judged? Like, he didn't have a lot of time between 1933-39 to indoctrinate people, plus what about his plans for an all Germanic Europe, abolishing religion (eg Catholicism) and all that? Did the people not know, or?
1 Mecanatron 2018-03-28
The same reason there are US troops still in Afghanistan i suppose. They think they're 'fighting for freedom' or some other lie despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
We arent they going awol en masse? There has to be serious conditioning going on, alongside cult of personality.
1 Zica96 2018-03-28
Damn, i thought all withdrew from Afghan. But what sort of cult of personality do they have? I mean, there is no "forever leader" in America, he changes every 4 years (or more, but still). But with knowing everything that happens, there is no fun to be had ;)
1 Mecanatron 2018-03-28
Still 13,000 there as of Nov 2017 unfortunately.
They cult of personality doesnt have to be one overall leader, as far as the army is concerned at least. Look at how they are trained, they answer to hierarchical structure with no room for question.
1 Zica96 2018-03-28
But all armies are like that. You think it's like a " 'Merica, F*ck Yeah" mentality?
1 Mecanatron 2018-03-28
That's my point. If you look at the US army in Afghan/Iraq (or any soldiers willing to fight a war on foreign soil), it may lead to understanding why the German soldiers were so fanatical.
Either that or we say an entire country turned psychopath for a few years.. but that's ridiculous.
1 Zica96 2018-03-28
But there were so many of them compared to the Americans. Also, Americans were less "make everything American" and more "kill terrorists" like you said. It's just so odd to me, not even one (Nazi) revolt.
1 Mecanatron 2018-03-28
It's as odd as socks! And probably the reason we still have epic discussions on it, more than 60 years later.
1 Zica96 2018-03-28
Even the whole occultist/esoteric beliefs aren't all that strange to me (maybe the agendas behind them, but not the need for them), but the army one takes the cake. Also, that side of the Nazis ("spiritual") fascinates me. It's mysterious and some of it, i think, has some connection to the Vedas and other teachings of old. It really feels out of place and weird for the time.
1 Zica96 2018-03-28
Wait, what about Churchill? I thought Brits loved him? Also, there is a story that when he was in Yugoslavia (Kingdom) he got punched/ beat up by some Serbian veteran from WW1. I thought maybe you'd like to hear that story, lol.
1 Mecanatron 2018-03-28
I'm Irish, to us he's a vile scumbag that let loose the Black&Tans on our country.
1 Hrvatix 2018-03-28
What's your problem, Irish hate Gypsies, foreigners; Lithuanians, Polish, Romanians, etc, Africans, other Irish, English, Northern Irish, noncatholics, I wonder is there anything you don't hate. LOL
1 Zykium 2018-03-28
Whisky?
1 Mecanatron 2018-03-28
Simpsons reference? :D
1 Mecanatron 2018-03-28
It seems you're the one with the problem.
I dont hate any of the above mentioned.
Each person gets judged on their own merit. You should try it sometime ;)
1 a1s2d3f4g5t 2018-03-28
they like palestinians, so that makes up for all the rest.
they also like ft lauderdale.
1 a1s2d3f4g5t 2018-03-28
wow, this got downvoted.
here's an upvote.
maybe you should provide a link to black and tans, they probably think you mean the drink.
1 Mecanatron 2018-03-28
A lot of facts around here get downvoted.
Added a wiki link but I'm pretty sure its watered down.
1 BlackhawkBolly 2018-03-28
Haha what
1 Letterbocks 2018-03-28
It's a meme ya plank/
1 Zica96 2018-03-28
Yeah, i know. But you know the saying; "in every lie there is a little truth".
1 jpGrind 2018-03-28
What if Walt Disney was Hitler?
https://youtu.be/gJ7dIEecCBg
1 Zica96 2018-03-28
What the what?
1 jpGrind 2018-03-28
spend fifty minutes and watch. presents some interesting points and comparisons.
hitler also liked drawing disney characters as well. kind of odd, no?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1579629/Did-Adolf-Hitler-draw-Disney-characters.html
1 a1s2d3f4g5t 2018-03-28
we need more of this stuff here. so boring now. can't even talk about the moon anymore.
1 jpGrind 2018-03-28
tempted to say this is where I initially found it. in /new/ anyway. that's where the good shit is.
1 wile_e_chicken 2018-03-28
Yeah, at least on one level he was fighting to free Germany from the international banking cartel. This series may indeed change your mind:
Europa - The Last Battle
I tend to believe he was controlled, all part of the show. But then I think the same about Trump (definitely) and... Putin.
1 Zica96 2018-03-28
When you think about it, it's probably true (controlling, and all). Even if it's not all a lie, you start to question the "truth" when Kim Jong-un states that he will give his nuclear warheads away.
1 FauxMoGuy 2018-03-28
I’m not quite sure that what kju means by denuclearizing the peninsula
1 Linquist 2018-03-28
Well, he liked dogs, which is nice. But he also started a war that killed 60 million people. You decide.
1 callmebaiken 2018-03-28
Mike King makes a persuasive case in his book The Bad War that all of Hitler's military maneuvers were pre-emptive in nature, or a reaction to a provocation. When you're the bully, you try to bait the smaller country into moving first, so you can gain the propoganda advantage. When your existence is on the line, you take the bait because winning the public relations battle is secondary to survival.
1 Zica96 2018-03-28
But wait, did the Nazis start those provocations or what?
1 radarerror31 2018-03-28
Hitler and the other Nazis were quite explicit about their vision of Nazi Europe and a Nazi world when writing to other Nazis and their target audience. If you take the Nazis at their word there is no way they wouldn't, say, exterminate the Jews when they repeatedly call for the extermination of the Jews (something which is not totally unprecedented in European history, as the Nazis were just repeating a sentiment that goes back to the middle ages). The attempts to sanitize latter-day race-science and eugenics are the same as attempts to sanitize Nazism, and both produce the same outcomes.
1 Zica96 2018-03-28
What the what?
1 Mecanatron 2018-03-28
The same reason there are US troops still in Afghanistan i suppose. They think they're 'fighting for freedom' or some other lie despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
We arent they going awol en masse? There has to be serious conditioning going on, alongside cult of personality.
1 a1s2d3f4g5t 2018-03-28
we need more of this stuff here. so boring now. can't even talk about the moon anymore.