Increasing amount of antisemitism in this subreddit

0  2018-04-17 by CunterSChompson

I’ve seen a huge influx in antisemitism on this subreddit. In the past, the sub has usually known the line between antizionism and antisemitism. Now the latter seems to be thriving, and it seems to have come out of nowhere. Holocaust denial is common, as is the idea that all Jews are involved in some global conspiracy to turn us away from Christian values.

Just beware that racism will only further isolate this subreddit and could be potentially be very dangerous for it. I even wonder whether shills are coming here to spread antisemitic rhetoric to discredit the sub and even get it banned. This growth in antisemitism seems to have come at a time when the sub has grown a lot. Perhaps this is shills trying to find a way to kill its popularity.

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I wonder if you can even define "Anti-SemitIsm"

(hint, start by defining Semitism) --and don't forget the ism you chose to add, which should lead you to a startling discover that [Semitism is the Favoritism of Jews and Arabs].

Also the question of: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F

Is much more complex than people imagine, especially when you consider that most modern Israeli’s are actually eastern-European khazars and ashkanazi. In fact the Palestinians are more Semitic than most Israeli’s.

Semite derives from the "Son's of Shem". Shem is one of Noah's son's.

Abrahamic religions's are Christianity ,Judaism and Muslimism.

Trying to hijack the Semitic word is rewriting history to suit an agenda.

It's just the evolution of language.

Bullshit the jewISH people's of modern day Israel are a construct, the same as Israel itself by the Rothschilds.

They are eastern Europeans and have no claim to the land that traditionally middle eastern peoples of the 3 religions shared for hundred's of year's.

Hi ADL / AIPAC and keep shilling for your Bankster master's.

Hostility or prejudice against Jews.

What about non-Jewish Semites?

Antisemitism has come to describe hostility and prejudice just about Jews. Aka, that Jews run the world, or that the holocaust was invented by Jews, or that Jews are sneaky and devious.

you choose to romanticize the term, reaching desperately with "...coming to describe" as if definitions are can be changed if and when you personally feel they work better to carry out censorship.

No, definitions change when their new definition is universally accepted and recorded by dictionaries, just like antisemitism is.

Define semitism.

Usually means that a language has elements that can be traced back to semitic languages. Why does it matter? Do you think all roots of words should reflect what they mean currently? You do realise words can evolve hugely? Why are you still arguing about the meaning of words to the Oxford dictionary?

you can't admit it relates to favoritism of Jews and Arabs, why is that? You prefer to exclude arabs from the definition of Semite or is it more about using a falsehood to manipulate discussion for the sheer joy of trickery it gives you? Blind obedience is fascinating to watch, but I do have other things to do so I'm afraid I must leave you to stew in unrelenting hate for non-zionist jews.

I'm not excluding arabs from the definition of semites. They are semites. It is simply that the dictionary definition of antisemitism regards prejudice and hostility towards Jews. The root of the word is unimportant and has little relation to the phenomena that antisemitism describes.

Blind obedience is fascinating to watch

As I desire to speak English correctly, yes I try to be obedient to it and use it correctly.

sneaky and devious.

Since there are roughly 60 times more Arab Semites than Jewish Semites, somebody somewhere is definitely being sneaky and devious with the definition.

"English" came from "Angles", the name of the one of the Germanic groups that came to England, supposedly because the area they inhabited was called "Angul". However, English now means all people belonging to England.

This is just how language has evolved. Arguing over the semantics of it really is pointless, because people understand what you mean when you say "English", and that's what matters.

Actually, the majority of people that I know are fairly aware of the real meaning of Semitism.

But then i do come from one of the few countries that officially recognises the legitimacy of the Palestinian State.

The funny thing is that if you had made this post about increasing anti-Jewish sentiment in here, i'd be somewhat agreeing with you.

Everyone should understand the meaning of "semitic". It describes a demographic of people that is not defined by religion, but by race and languages. This is common knowledge, and can be found in most dictionaries and encyclopaedias, such as the Cambridge Dictionary. "Antisemitism" however describes the phenomena of prejudice and hostility against Jews. That is just how the word "antisemitism" evolved.

So how do you feel about 'Webster's 3rd New International Dictionary' definition?

opposition to Zionism: sympathy with opponents of the state of Israel.

That's a poor description of opposition to Zionism, and as a populace Americans should argue to rectify that definition, because that is not how anti-Zionism is universally understood, and dictionaries should reflect what words are universally understood to mean, just as they do with "antisemitism".

But what you're doing now is propaganda.

So what about the latest Chambers' edition (1988) which states

“a hater of Semites, esp. Jews, or of their influence”

The use of esp being hugely important and justification for the use in terms of non-Jewish Semites.

Anyway, rather than quoting dictionaries all day, my point is that UOP are not the purveyors of language. They only document it. And as you can see from my examples, the big 3 dictionary publishers all document it in different ways.

To me that says they all have their own agenda attached. In those cases it is safest to revert back to the true meaning of the word, meaing that the all Semites (or children of Shem/Sam) are considered.

But "antisemitism" is very rarely contested in general discourse. Everyone understands what people mean by it, because everyone uses it these days to describe prejudice against Jews. I've never seen it used to describe prejudice against all semitic people. Thus I think the Oxford dictionary definition is perfectly adequate. Anti-Zionism is slightly harder to define, and more contested.

But that's subjective to your own experience.

As I've already shown, others have a very different experience to your own.

There is little overall objectivity to be had on the subject, if we're being completely honest.

And for full disclosure, I'm not anti-Jewish/antisemitic. However I dont agree with the expansionism of the Israeli state or its propaganda.

(As an aside, I noticed you mention in a reply to someone else that you like to use correct language. That is to be applauded in a time when so many are willing to throw words about, with little regard for their actual meaning... and precisely why I'm trying to be as detailed as i can in our discussion.)

Oh - editing your reply to remove "propaganda" isn't kosher.

See: "new anti-semitism"

New antisemitism is the concept that a new form of antisemitism has developed in the late 20th and early 21st centuries, emanating simultaneously from the far left, Islamism, and the far right, and that it tends to manifest itself as opposition to Zionism and the State of Israel. The concept generally posits that much of what is purported to be criticism of Israel by various individuals and world bodies, is, in fact, tantamount to demonization, and that, together with an alleged international resurgence of attacks on Jews and Jewish symbols, and an increased acceptance of antisemitic beliefs in public discourse, such demonization represents an evolution in the appearance of antisemitic beliefs.

Proponents of the concept argue that anti-Zionism, anti-Americanism, anti-globalization, third worldism, and demonization of Israel, or double standards applied to its conduct, may be linked to antisemitism, or constitute disguised antisemitism.

Critics of the concept argue that it conflates anti-Zionism with antisemitism, defines legitimate criticism of Israel too narrowly and demonization too broadly, trivializes the meaning of antisemitism, and exploits antisemitism in order to silence political debate.

My money is on false flagging. I also expect this post to get buried. This is pretty much the last hill held by rational thought; they are coming for it.

Should be interesting to watch. As of this comment this post has been alive for 2 hrs and the discussion has been cordial. That doesn't fit into concern trolling patterns that OP is lamenting. One way it could go is for some astroturfing anti-jewish comments to spill forth to change that.

do you have concerns for other cultures being vilified in this sub?

Typically speaking, you can shit on whichever cultures you like... except one.

Charlie Hebdo was cleared over antisemitism complaints.

Do you remember what happened to them when they poked fun at Islam?

I mean on Reddit.

There seems to plenty of antisemitism on this subreddit.

I see a lot of people criticizing Israel. I've also seen instances of Israleis calling those people antisemitism for criticizing Israel, when those people said nothing about Jews. It seems to me that it is very hard to find any sympathy to this thread when people act like that.

then go to another one?

Nobody fucks with Canada.

I've yet to see people denying the holodomor on this sub, or claiming that Muslims are "asking to be genocided", or that Mormons are joining together to degrade European culture and create Mormon supremacy throughout the world.

what do you think about the fellow Americans who get lambasted in this sub? politicians, CEO s, cops shooting unarmed civilians?

I've yet to see Americans spoken about as if they are monolithic, monomaniacal cabal that is asking to be "genocided".

Now you're bluffing....I set "you" up btw. Americans are most certainly dragged in this sub. Stand up for them too.

As I said, I've yet to see Americans spoken about as if they are all part of a monolithic, monomaniacal cabal that is asking to be "genocided".

I don't care to defend this sub or rebbit. I shouldn't care about debating bots. "You" claiming the genuine /u/ of this sub are exhibiting double standards is just plain fraud. Message the mods....they are the retards you seek to repair your world for you

Deep state comes up all the time, and the majority of those are American. You need to stop whining and grow thicker skin.

The antisemites on this subreddit usually believe that the Jews run the deep state for the ideological purpose of creating a world that is entirely under their thumb, because Jews actually hate everyone who isn't Jewish and don't have "our interests in mind".

As I said, I've yet to see Americans talked about as if they are a unified, monolithic, monomaniacal group.

The AIPAC don't represent all Jews. They are simply a group of Zionists.

I think the greys get a bad rap. We never talk about all the good they do for us. Heck, there's an entire tourism industry that exists just because one of them couldn't parallel park.

there is a difference between saying "the jews did this" and "i hate the jews"

Stop stirring shit and go educate yourself.

jesuits run both the zionists and the sabattean-frankists and these false, 'synagogue of satan' jews generate all the hatred against traditional, orthodox jews with their deliberately reckless and sinful behaviour we witness today. this is by design, to mark the jews a scapegoat and in preparation for another pogrom.

The issue with the ant-semite canard is that its meaning has been severely diluted from overusage by- dare I say, Jews.

Here for example is the Haaretz marking and tagging the alt-right as ant-semites with some cheap shot neurolinguistic programming gibberish concerning the doubts about the authencity of the chemical attack in Syria.

This over-usage creates a natural doth protest too loudly Streisand effect, whereby the curious start checking what the fuss is all about. Then it doesn't take much to see a pattern- namely that the "anti-semite" accusation is weaponized language designed to game people.

I agree with this. The antisemitism label is bandied around far too much. Most things labelled antisemitism aren't antisemitism. Sometimes, as in the case of criticising the US/FR/UK bombings of Syria, it's not even anti-Zionist (not that anti-Zionism is a problem anyway). But there is definitely some very real antisemitism on this subreddit.

In terms of current events there is a renewal of attention on the neocons and neoliberals (basically the same). Jews don't have a monopoly on these threats, but they are very overrepresented versus their numbers (2%) in the population. These are people who identify as Jews and use their in-group think tanks, and media contacts to warmonger.

Then if other Jews (or gentiles) stand for peace, they are gamed, trashed and diminshed. You won't see their columns in Wapo or the NYT. Why did Haaratz feel compelled to slur the alt-right about the issue of war in Syria? Why is that a story? What is Israel's agenda?

True Jews aren't a monolith, but there bad dynamic here where bad actors who are Judiacs are amplified. And who amplifies them? Can you debate that question without resorting to the one trick pony anti-semite tagging? Does that make me an anti-semite to say this? If so -did my view come out of a vaccum?

I think Jewish families have a lot of old money, and that has lead them to getting lots of elite positions in government and business. Jews are far more likely to be Zionists than other demographics, so you see this filtering into politics. This essentially is because for Jews, Israel holds a very special place in their hearts. However, when push comes to shove, this love for Israel will fail in the face of money. If you want to look at a demographic with far more power than the Jews, you should look at the Arab ultra-elite. The Arabs aren't powerful because of some ideological reason, it's simply because they happen, as a result of simple geography, to control a lot of the oil industry, through which America gets huge amounts of money. If you want a solid example that the Arab ultra-elite are more powerful than Israel, you need to look no further than the Yom Kippur War, when the KSA forced the US to stop supporting Israel by enacting an oil embargo against them.

The reality is that there are lots of powerful groups in the world. But the idea that Jews are some kind of united cabal that have perfectly designed the trajectory of history to spurn the other races and give themselves supremacy is clearly just an attempt to simplify things so that there is only one true enemy, that enemy being the Jews. This is clearly antisemitic and clearly completely clueless.

  • But the idea that Jews are some kind of united cabal that have perfectly designed the trajectory of history to spurn the other races and give themselves supremacy is clearly just an attempt to simplify things so that there is only one true enemy, that enemy being the Jews.

It's funny, You're the only one repeating this bullshit in this thread.

Show us a few examples which support your generalization, won't you? Until you do I will regard your generalization as menacing, false and baiting.

The first one has 3 votes and I read it as a crack at the Germans.
The second one provided a bunch of facts you didn't refute. Are you just upset because they pointed them out?
The fourth one seems pretty accurate to be honest.

You need to stop crying so much. There's millions of separate posts here.

You need to stop crying so much

Sorry didn't realise I was arguing with a child.

Sorry didn't realise I was arguing with a child.

Ah. We've invoked the holocaust denial button already. Grow up and stop cheapening Jewish arguments to legitimate atrocities.

The second one provided a bunch of facts you didn't refute. Are you just upset because they pointed them out?

This is shifting the goalposts.

And because the linked post is a sourceless rant, you are shifting burden of proof too.

This entire thread is a sourceless rant. Those facts shouldn't be hard to chase up though, right? They are things like ownership of major companies. It is telling that this is the best argument you and the other propaganda mouthpieces in this thread have.

The actual submission titles of your links are:

1 German police union chief proposes taking children away from ‘anti-Semitic parents’

2 This image isn’t great on its own, but coupled with intelligent argument and some supporting evidence it could do some damage to the cognitive dissonance walls built by the MSM in the minds of the public.

3 r/Israel is an alt right religious fundamentalist racist haven. If you read through the comments, you will see them hate on blacks/ Africans, Arabs, Muslims, Christians, whites, disabled people, and lgbt.

4 r/Israel is an alt right religious fundamentalist racist haven. If you read through the comments, you will see them hate on blacks/ Africans, Arabs, Muslims, Christians, whites, disabled people, and lgbt.

OK, so 3 and 4 are the same. You were in a hurry and screwed up. But the important thing is that you offer no support at all for generalization which is your title and that you have attempted a fraud as proof of your general statement. As anyone who compares the titles you have written to the titles of the submissions in the links themselves can see, there is absolutely no support for your claim at all.

How the fuck do the submission titles justify the comments? Also how did I "screw up" by linking two comments from the same thread? The comments stand on their own as separate examples of antisemitism. Do you also think that this submission which states "Monika Schaefer is in prison indefinitely for a 6 minute YouTube video" justifies the various holocaust denial comments in the thread?

You're not worth my time. You're not worth anyone's time. Your comments here show that you are unwilling, and likely unable, to contribute to /r/conspiracy. You fully have earned the block that I'm giving you now.

You fully have earned the block that I'm giving you now.

How will I sleep tonight?

You shouldn't block. The more people that block, the less counter arguments there are against such crap.

I do not block people who provide counterarguments I only block people whose intent is to disrupt.

Those are facts.

Have you seen what isreal is doing.... Who gives a flying fuck about this people they are liers and cheats.

Antisemitism has been a near meaningless catch-all knee jerk defense when accountability is demanded for those who feel no need to account for their actions.

Some very bad and powerful people hide behind their religious affiliations and feel morbidly entitled.

Global conspiracies exist and sometimes people who identify as Jews undertake them.

So do lots of other people.

You know whenever events cause people to consider Israeli influence and manipulation in America these squeamish posts about "antisemitism" inevitably follow.

If a post goes too far and the identity politics become too rancorous and hateful, call that shit out, but your vague appeal to stop criticizing power and influence being used for solely "Jewish State" interests rings hollow.

Because they closed down uncensorednews and the fascists had to go somewhere.

Increasing amount of antisemitism concern trolls in this subreddit

FTFY

Is it antisemitic to think it's fucked up for the IDF to shoot unarmed people and laugh about it?

No, that's called anti-Zionism.

This post again?

Israel? Is that you?

you racist dog.

Do you (anyone) believe there is a correlation between where a person is from when it comes to antisemitism? I'm especially curious about people in the U.S.

I was raised in the Deep South, U.S. and I have never in my life personally witnessed (seen or heard) any sort of prejudice or even dislike towards Jewish people.

Now there's plenty of other prejudices that freely abound, no doubt. So please don't think I'm singing the praises of Southern morality!

Yes, since the advent of mass Muslim immigration into Europe, antisemitism has become much more common.

Yes, since the advent of mass Muslim immigration into Europe, antisemitism has become much more common.

literally their own fault. Jews started actively abandoning europe in the 1970s to move to Israel/the united states then decided that they would 'get back' at europe for it's 'history of antisemetism' by encouraging muslim immigration to destroy european nations.

Jews complaining about the rise of antisemetism in europe while actively engaging in activities literally designed to increase it is the biggest joke of the 21st century.

In the north the jews are everywhere. Did you know in NYC that section 8 housing is filled with jews through corruption? And yet welfare fraud from other minorities is the problem. They steal from the city and buy up all the property for themselves. Guns are legal in the south so this shit wouldn't fly.

Growing awareness of the truth and commonality among most of the bad people doing bad things is not anti-semitic. Are we supposed to keep turning a blind eye because of the Jewish holocaust that was largely funded by Zionist money?

Yeah, yeah, get over it or move the fuck on. We get these posts almost daily now. Always trying to play the victim card.

My black muslim friend calls them 'white tears'.

ne more facts stated. we need to revisit the protocols of zion. those were real. dulles, guy who was in on killing JFK, is the one who "discovered" they were a hoax.

I’ve seen a huge influx in antisemitism on this subreddit.

Bull-fucking-shit. Go bait some other sub.

Obviously false, obviously racist posts are easy to down vote and move on. If you don't want to move on, you can always debate these racists fucks to point out how ignorant and dumb they are.

I absolutely agree with you. Folks who believe in this stuff, OK, great, terrific. What if this very unpopular idea is the undoing of this sub? THINK. Use your brains. If this was 'white supremacy' you were talking about, this sub would be banned forever. You think the sub can't fall apart over perceived antisemitism? Yes, there has been a huge increase in the topic. WHY. It is NOT organic, don't bullshit me.

No. Increasing number of reasons to question Israel.

I don't care to defend this sub or rebbit. I shouldn't care about debating bots. "You" claiming the genuine /u/ of this sub are exhibiting double standards is just plain fraud. Message the mods....they are the retards you seek to repair your world for you

No, that's called anti-Zionism.

How the fuck do the submission titles justify the comments? Also how did I "screw up" by linking two comments from the same thread? The comments stand on their own as separate examples of antisemitism. Do you also think that this submission which states "Monika Schaefer is in prison indefinitely for a 6 minute YouTube video" justifies the various holocaust denial comments in the thread?

You fully have earned the block that I'm giving you now.

How will I sleep tonight?

You shouldn't block. The more people that block, the less counter arguments there are against such crap.