Increasing amount of antisemitism in this subreddit
0 2018-04-17 by CunterSChompson
I’ve seen a huge influx in antisemitism on this subreddit. In the past, the sub has usually known the line between antizionism and antisemitism. Now the latter seems to be thriving, and it seems to have come out of nowhere. Holocaust denial is common, as is the idea that all Jews are involved in some global conspiracy to turn us away from Christian values.
Just beware that racism will only further isolate this subreddit and could be potentially be very dangerous for it. I even wonder whether shills are coming here to spread antisemitic rhetoric to discredit the sub and even get it banned. This growth in antisemitism seems to have come at a time when the sub has grown a lot. Perhaps this is shills trying to find a way to kill its popularity.
89 comments
1 hurtpeoplehurtpe0ple 2018-04-17
I wonder if you can even define "Anti-SemitIsm"
1 hurtpeoplehurtpe0ple 2018-04-17
(hint, start by defining Semitism) --and don't forget the ism you chose to add, which should lead you to a startling discover that [Semitism is the Favoritism of Jews and Arabs].
1 MKULTRAserialkillers 2018-04-17
Also the question of: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F
Is much more complex than people imagine, especially when you consider that most modern Israeli’s are actually eastern-European khazars and ashkanazi. In fact the Palestinians are more Semitic than most Israeli’s.
1 ignoremsmedia 2018-04-17
Semite derives from the "Son's of Shem". Shem is one of Noah's son's.
Abrahamic religions's are Christianity ,Judaism and Muslimism.
Trying to hijack the Semitic word is rewriting history to suit an agenda.
1 CunterSChompson 2018-04-17
It's just the evolution of language.
1 ignoremsmedia 2018-04-17
Bullshit the jewISH people's of modern day Israel are a construct, the same as Israel itself by the Rothschilds.
They are eastern Europeans and have no claim to the land that traditionally middle eastern peoples of the 3 religions shared for hundred's of year's.
Hi ADL / AIPAC and keep shilling for your Bankster master's.
1 CunterSChompson 2018-04-17
Hostility or prejudice against Jews.
1 Mecanatron 2018-04-17
What about non-Jewish Semites?
1 CunterSChompson 2018-04-17
Antisemitism has come to describe hostility and prejudice just about Jews. Aka, that Jews run the world, or that the holocaust was invented by Jews, or that Jews are sneaky and devious.
1 hurtpeoplehurtpe0ple 2018-04-17
you choose to romanticize the term, reaching desperately with "...coming to describe" as if definitions are can be changed if and when you personally feel they work better to carry out censorship.
1 CunterSChompson 2018-04-17
No, definitions change when their new definition is universally accepted and recorded by dictionaries, just like antisemitism is.
1 hurtpeoplehurtpe0ple 2018-04-17
Define semitism.
1 CunterSChompson 2018-04-17
Usually means that a language has elements that can be traced back to semitic languages. Why does it matter? Do you think all roots of words should reflect what they mean currently? You do realise words can evolve hugely? Why are you still arguing about the meaning of words to the Oxford dictionary?
1 hurtpeoplehurtpe0ple 2018-04-17
you can't admit it relates to favoritism of Jews and Arabs, why is that? You prefer to exclude arabs from the definition of Semite or is it more about using a falsehood to manipulate discussion for the sheer joy of trickery it gives you? Blind obedience is fascinating to watch, but I do have other things to do so I'm afraid I must leave you to stew in unrelenting hate for non-zionist jews.
1 CunterSChompson 2018-04-17
I'm not excluding arabs from the definition of semites. They are semites. It is simply that the dictionary definition of antisemitism regards prejudice and hostility towards Jews. The root of the word is unimportant and has little relation to the phenomena that antisemitism describes.
As I desire to speak English correctly, yes I try to be obedient to it and use it correctly.
1 Mecanatron 2018-04-17
Since there are roughly 60 times more Arab Semites than Jewish Semites, somebody somewhere is definitely being sneaky and devious with the definition.
1 CunterSChompson 2018-04-17
"English" came from "Angles", the name of the one of the Germanic groups that came to England, supposedly because the area they inhabited was called "Angul". However, English now means all people belonging to England.
This is just how language has evolved. Arguing over the semantics of it really is pointless, because people understand what you mean when you say "English", and that's what matters.
1 Mecanatron 2018-04-17
Actually, the majority of people that I know are fairly aware of the real meaning of Semitism.
But then i do come from one of the few countries that officially recognises the legitimacy of the Palestinian State.
The funny thing is that if you had made this post about increasing anti-Jewish sentiment in here, i'd be somewhat agreeing with you.
1 CunterSChompson 2018-04-17
Everyone should understand the meaning of "semitic". It describes a demographic of people that is not defined by religion, but by race and languages. This is common knowledge, and can be found in most dictionaries and encyclopaedias, such as the Cambridge Dictionary. "Antisemitism" however describes the phenomena of prejudice and hostility against Jews. That is just how the word "antisemitism" evolved.
1 Mecanatron 2018-04-17
So how do you feel about 'Webster's 3rd New International Dictionary' definition?
1 CunterSChompson 2018-04-17
That's a poor description of opposition to Zionism, and as a populace Americans should argue to rectify that definition, because that is not how anti-Zionism is universally understood, and dictionaries should reflect what words are universally understood to mean, just as they do with "antisemitism".
1 jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj 2018-04-17
But what you're doing now is propaganda.
1 Mecanatron 2018-04-17
So what about the latest Chambers' edition (1988) which states
The use of esp being hugely important and justification for the use in terms of non-Jewish Semites.
Anyway, rather than quoting dictionaries all day, my point is that UOP are not the purveyors of language. They only document it. And as you can see from my examples, the big 3 dictionary publishers all document it in different ways.
To me that says they all have their own agenda attached. In those cases it is safest to revert back to the true meaning of the word, meaing that the all Semites (or children of Shem/Sam) are considered.
1 CunterSChompson 2018-04-17
But "antisemitism" is very rarely contested in general discourse. Everyone understands what people mean by it, because everyone uses it these days to describe prejudice against Jews. I've never seen it used to describe prejudice against all semitic people. Thus I think the Oxford dictionary definition is perfectly adequate. Anti-Zionism is slightly harder to define, and more contested.
1 Mecanatron 2018-04-17
But that's subjective to your own experience.
As I've already shown, others have a very different experience to your own.
There is little overall objectivity to be had on the subject, if we're being completely honest.
And for full disclosure, I'm not anti-Jewish/antisemitic. However I dont agree with the expansionism of the Israeli state or its propaganda.
(As an aside, I noticed you mention in a reply to someone else that you like to use correct language. That is to be applauded in a time when so many are willing to throw words about, with little regard for their actual meaning... and precisely why I'm trying to be as detailed as i can in our discussion.)
1 jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj 2018-04-17
Oh - editing your reply to remove "propaganda" isn't kosher.
1 stolas771 2018-04-17
See: "new anti-semitism"
1 Canbot 2018-04-17
My money is on false flagging. I also expect this post to get buried. This is pretty much the last hill held by rational thought; they are coming for it.
1 DukeLeto2 2018-04-17
Should be interesting to watch. As of this comment this post has been alive for 2 hrs and the discussion has been cordial. That doesn't fit into concern trolling patterns that OP is lamenting. One way it could go is for some astroturfing anti-jewish comments to spill forth to change that.
1 historyeraser4sale 2018-04-17
do you have concerns for other cultures being vilified in this sub?
1 DontTreadOnMe16 2018-04-17
Typically speaking, you can shit on whichever cultures you like... except one.
1 CunterSChompson 2018-04-17
Charlie Hebdo was cleared over antisemitism complaints.
Do you remember what happened to them when they poked fun at Islam?
1 DontTreadOnMe16 2018-04-17
I mean on Reddit.
1 CunterSChompson 2018-04-17
There seems to plenty of antisemitism on this subreddit.
1 jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj 2018-04-17
I see a lot of people criticizing Israel. I've also seen instances of Israleis calling those people antisemitism for criticizing Israel, when those people said nothing about Jews. It seems to me that it is very hard to find any sympathy to this thread when people act like that.
1 Comfortableguess 2018-04-17
then go to another one?
1 send_recipes_plz 2018-04-17
Nobody fucks with Canada.
1 CunterSChompson 2018-04-17
I've yet to see people denying the holodomor on this sub, or claiming that Muslims are "asking to be genocided", or that Mormons are joining together to degrade European culture and create Mormon supremacy throughout the world.
1 historyeraser4sale 2018-04-17
what do you think about the fellow Americans who get lambasted in this sub? politicians, CEO s, cops shooting unarmed civilians?
1 CunterSChompson 2018-04-17
I've yet to see Americans spoken about as if they are monolithic, monomaniacal cabal that is asking to be "genocided".
1 historyeraser4sale 2018-04-17
Now you're bluffing....I set "you" up btw. Americans are most certainly dragged in this sub. Stand up for them too.
1 CunterSChompson 2018-04-17
As I said, I've yet to see Americans spoken about as if they are all part of a monolithic, monomaniacal cabal that is asking to be "genocided".
1 historyeraser4sale 2018-04-17
I don't care to defend this sub or rebbit. I shouldn't care about debating bots. "You" claiming the genuine /u/ of this sub are exhibiting double standards is just plain fraud. Message the mods....they are the retards you seek to repair your world for you
1 jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj 2018-04-17
Deep state comes up all the time, and the majority of those are American. You need to stop whining and grow thicker skin.
1 CunterSChompson 2018-04-17
The antisemites on this subreddit usually believe that the Jews run the deep state for the ideological purpose of creating a world that is entirely under their thumb, because Jews actually hate everyone who isn't Jewish and don't have "our interests in mind".
As I said, I've yet to see Americans talked about as if they are a unified, monolithic, monomaniacal group.
1 jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj 2018-04-17
So what do think AIPAC is for, if not for that purpose? https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/so-just-how-powerful-is-the-israel-lobby-in-the-us-8478432.html
1 CunterSChompson 2018-04-17
The AIPAC don't represent all Jews. They are simply a group of Zionists.
1 send_recipes_plz 2018-04-17
I think the greys get a bad rap. We never talk about all the good they do for us. Heck, there's an entire tourism industry that exists just because one of them couldn't parallel park.
1 RingCriswell 2018-04-17
there is a difference between saying "the jews did this" and "i hate the jews"
1 psypher5 2018-04-17
Stop stirring shit and go educate yourself.
1 useless_aether 2018-04-17
jesuits run both the zionists and the sabattean-frankists and these false, 'synagogue of satan' jews generate all the hatred against traditional, orthodox jews with their deliberately reckless and sinful behaviour we witness today. this is by design, to mark the jews a scapegoat and in preparation for another pogrom.
1 clovize 2018-04-17
The issue with the ant-semite canard is that its meaning has been severely diluted from overusage by- dare I say, Jews.
Here for example is the Haaretz marking and tagging the alt-right as ant-semites with some cheap shot neurolinguistic programming gibberish concerning the doubts about the authencity of the chemical attack in Syria.
This over-usage creates a natural doth protest too loudly Streisand effect, whereby the curious start checking what the fuss is all about. Then it doesn't take much to see a pattern- namely that the "anti-semite" accusation is weaponized language designed to game people.
1 CunterSChompson 2018-04-17
I agree with this. The antisemitism label is bandied around far too much. Most things labelled antisemitism aren't antisemitism. Sometimes, as in the case of criticising the US/FR/UK bombings of Syria, it's not even anti-Zionist (not that anti-Zionism is a problem anyway). But there is definitely some very real antisemitism on this subreddit.
1 clovize 2018-04-17
In terms of current events there is a renewal of attention on the neocons and neoliberals (basically the same). Jews don't have a monopoly on these threats, but they are very overrepresented versus their numbers (2%) in the population. These are people who identify as Jews and use their in-group think tanks, and media contacts to warmonger.
Then if other Jews (or gentiles) stand for peace, they are gamed, trashed and diminshed. You won't see their columns in Wapo or the NYT. Why did Haaratz feel compelled to slur the alt-right about the issue of war in Syria? Why is that a story? What is Israel's agenda?
True Jews aren't a monolith, but there bad dynamic here where bad actors who are Judiacs are amplified. And who amplifies them? Can you debate that question without resorting to the one trick pony anti-semite tagging? Does that make me an anti-semite to say this? If so -did my view come out of a vaccum?
1 CunterSChompson 2018-04-17
I think Jewish families have a lot of old money, and that has lead them to getting lots of elite positions in government and business. Jews are far more likely to be Zionists than other demographics, so you see this filtering into politics. This essentially is because for Jews, Israel holds a very special place in their hearts. However, when push comes to shove, this love for Israel will fail in the face of money. If you want to look at a demographic with far more power than the Jews, you should look at the Arab ultra-elite. The Arabs aren't powerful because of some ideological reason, it's simply because they happen, as a result of simple geography, to control a lot of the oil industry, through which America gets huge amounts of money. If you want a solid example that the Arab ultra-elite are more powerful than Israel, you need to look no further than the Yom Kippur War, when the KSA forced the US to stop supporting Israel by enacting an oil embargo against them.
The reality is that there are lots of powerful groups in the world. But the idea that Jews are some kind of united cabal that have perfectly designed the trajectory of history to spurn the other races and give themselves supremacy is clearly just an attempt to simplify things so that there is only one true enemy, that enemy being the Jews. This is clearly antisemitic and clearly completely clueless.
1 bhybrid 2018-04-17
It's funny, You're the only one repeating this bullshit in this thread.
1 Dhylan 2018-04-17
Show us a few examples which support your generalization, won't you? Until you do I will regard your generalization as menacing, false and baiting.
1 CunterSChompson 2018-04-17
1 jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj 2018-04-17
The first one has 3 votes and I read it as a crack at the Germans.
The second one provided a bunch of facts you didn't refute. Are you just upset because they pointed them out?
The fourth one seems pretty accurate to be honest.
You need to stop crying so much. There's millions of separate posts here.
1 CunterSChompson 2018-04-17
Sorry didn't realise I was arguing with a child.
1 jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj 2018-04-17
Ah. We've invoked the holocaust denial button already. Grow up and stop cheapening Jewish arguments to legitimate atrocities.
1 lohan0 2018-04-17
This is shifting the goalposts.
And because the linked post is a sourceless rant, you are shifting burden of proof too.
1 jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj 2018-04-17
This entire thread is a sourceless rant. Those facts shouldn't be hard to chase up though, right? They are things like ownership of major companies. It is telling that this is the best argument you and the other propaganda mouthpieces in this thread have.
1 Dhylan 2018-04-17
The actual submission titles of your links are:
1 German police union chief proposes taking children away from ‘anti-Semitic parents’
2 This image isn’t great on its own, but coupled with intelligent argument and some supporting evidence it could do some damage to the cognitive dissonance walls built by the MSM in the minds of the public.
3 r/Israel is an alt right religious fundamentalist racist haven. If you read through the comments, you will see them hate on blacks/ Africans, Arabs, Muslims, Christians, whites, disabled people, and lgbt.
4 r/Israel is an alt right religious fundamentalist racist haven. If you read through the comments, you will see them hate on blacks/ Africans, Arabs, Muslims, Christians, whites, disabled people, and lgbt.
OK, so 3 and 4 are the same. You were in a hurry and screwed up. But the important thing is that you offer no support at all for generalization which is your title and that you have attempted a fraud as proof of your general statement. As anyone who compares the titles you have written to the titles of the submissions in the links themselves can see, there is absolutely no support for your claim at all.
1 CunterSChompson 2018-04-17
How the fuck do the submission titles justify the comments? Also how did I "screw up" by linking two comments from the same thread? The comments stand on their own as separate examples of antisemitism. Do you also think that this submission which states "Monika Schaefer is in prison indefinitely for a 6 minute YouTube video" justifies the various holocaust denial comments in the thread?
1 Dhylan 2018-04-17
You're not worth my time. You're not worth anyone's time. Your comments here show that you are unwilling, and likely unable, to contribute to /r/conspiracy. You fully have earned the block that I'm giving you now.
1 CunterSChompson 2018-04-17
How will I sleep tonight?
1 jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj 2018-04-17
You shouldn't block. The more people that block, the less counter arguments there are against such crap.
1 Dhylan 2018-04-17
I do not block people who provide counterarguments I only block people whose intent is to disrupt.
1 vivek31 2018-04-17
Those are facts.
1 TruthHammerOfJustice 2018-04-17
Have you seen what isreal is doing.... Who gives a flying fuck about this people they are liers and cheats.
1 NotNicerAnymore 2018-04-17
Antisemitism has been a near meaningless catch-all knee jerk defense when accountability is demanded for those who feel no need to account for their actions.
Some very bad and powerful people hide behind their religious affiliations and feel morbidly entitled.
Global conspiracies exist and sometimes people who identify as Jews undertake them.
So do lots of other people.
You know whenever events cause people to consider Israeli influence and manipulation in America these squeamish posts about "antisemitism" inevitably follow.
If a post goes too far and the identity politics become too rancorous and hateful, call that shit out, but your vague appeal to stop criticizing power and influence being used for solely "Jewish State" interests rings hollow.
1 WadeWilsonforPope 2018-04-17
Because they closed down uncensorednews and the fascists had to go somewhere.
1 ewwwwwzipties 2018-04-17
FTFY
1 SvenComputer 2018-04-17
Is it antisemitic to think it's fucked up for the IDF to shoot unarmed people and laugh about it?
1 CunterSChompson 2018-04-17
No, that's called anti-Zionism.
1 Apersonofinterest666 2018-04-17
This post again?
Israel? Is that you?
1 bhybrid 2018-04-17
you racist dog.
1 Smashed_Cake 2018-04-17
Do you (anyone) believe there is a correlation between where a person is from when it comes to antisemitism? I'm especially curious about people in the U.S.
I was raised in the Deep South, U.S. and I have never in my life personally witnessed (seen or heard) any sort of prejudice or even dislike towards Jewish people.
Now there's plenty of other prejudices that freely abound, no doubt. So please don't think I'm singing the praises of Southern morality!
1 CunterSChompson 2018-04-17
Yes, since the advent of mass Muslim immigration into Europe, antisemitism has become much more common.
1 Comfortableguess 2018-04-17
literally their own fault. Jews started actively abandoning europe in the 1970s to move to Israel/the united states then decided that they would 'get back' at europe for it's 'history of antisemetism' by encouraging muslim immigration to destroy european nations.
Jews complaining about the rise of antisemetism in europe while actively engaging in activities literally designed to increase it is the biggest joke of the 21st century.
1 vivek31 2018-04-17
In the north the jews are everywhere. Did you know in NYC that section 8 housing is filled with jews through corruption? And yet welfare fraud from other minorities is the problem. They steal from the city and buy up all the property for themselves. Guns are legal in the south so this shit wouldn't fly.
1 Sheeple_Shepherd 2018-04-17
Growing awareness of the truth and commonality among most of the bad people doing bad things is not anti-semitic. Are we supposed to keep turning a blind eye because of the Jewish holocaust that was largely funded by Zionist money?
1 vivek31 2018-04-17
Yeah, yeah, get over it or move the fuck on. We get these posts almost daily now. Always trying to play the victim card.
1 bhybrid 2018-04-17
My black muslim friend calls them 'white tears'.
1 trevmon 2018-04-17
ne more facts stated. we need to revisit the protocols of zion. those were real. dulles, guy who was in on killing JFK, is the one who "discovered" they were a hoax.
1 SvenComputer 2018-04-17
Bull-fucking-shit. Go bait some other sub.
1 bhybrid 2018-04-17
Obviously false, obviously racist posts are easy to down vote and move on. If you don't want to move on, you can always debate these racists fucks to point out how ignorant and dumb they are.
1 AUsername334 2018-04-17
I absolutely agree with you. Folks who believe in this stuff, OK, great, terrific. What if this very unpopular idea is the undoing of this sub? THINK. Use your brains. If this was 'white supremacy' you were talking about, this sub would be banned forever. You think the sub can't fall apart over perceived antisemitism? Yes, there has been a huge increase in the topic. WHY. It is NOT organic, don't bullshit me.
1 rockytimber 2018-04-17
No. Increasing number of reasons to question Israel.
1 historyeraser4sale 2018-04-17
I don't care to defend this sub or rebbit. I shouldn't care about debating bots. "You" claiming the genuine /u/ of this sub are exhibiting double standards is just plain fraud. Message the mods....they are the retards you seek to repair your world for you
1 CunterSChompson 2018-04-17
No, that's called anti-Zionism.
1 CunterSChompson 2018-04-17
How the fuck do the submission titles justify the comments? Also how did I "screw up" by linking two comments from the same thread? The comments stand on their own as separate examples of antisemitism. Do you also think that this submission which states "Monika Schaefer is in prison indefinitely for a 6 minute YouTube video" justifies the various holocaust denial comments in the thread?
1 CunterSChompson 2018-04-17
How will I sleep tonight?
1 jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj 2018-04-17
You shouldn't block. The more people that block, the less counter arguments there are against such crap.