I don't want universal healthcare, socialism or communism.

You are so sweet! I love you too! 🙂

I love y'all too!

We love you too! 🙂

Holy shit...invaders care about this post i guess.

There are those of us on the Left here too. I consider myself an Anarcho-Syndicalist/Socialist who sees Social Democracy as a mere stepping stone. But Anarcho-Socialism is nothing like Marxism.

Anarcho-Syndicalism/Socialism doesn't want more government my friend ;)

No- you have no idea ;) see my now edited comment, and look into what Anarcho-Socialism actually is. Don't get caught up in the predetermined memetic values you've been instilled with. Words mean things.

These people would actually be on board if they had a clue about what libertarian Socialism is but nah they’ll just stay brainwashed by the red scare into licking boots for the rest of their lives.

Socialism will never work long term without someone using force on others. Equality of outcome is tyrannical.

Again, read my above comment. I said voluntary associations. I don't want you as a part of a society you don't want to be in.

Correct- It's Anarcho-Socialism.

Like I said my friend, words mean things. I encourage you to google some of the terms I've given. The Socialist tradition predates Marxism, and the Anarchist tradition is near contemporaneous. You are still caught up in a very narrow view of things. Take a peak at broader horizons :)

It's not new age shit at all. What are you talking about? And why so hostile?

Lol I'm not roping anyone into anything. You are the one who is confused my friend. Like I said- take a look at what I've proposed. You don't have to agree with it but it is not what you believe it is, and there is no reason to be hostile.

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the only way to get there is force.

That's how capitalism is though, and there's a lot of people who wish they could be left out of it if they want.

If you think taxes are involuntary you don't have a good enough accountant.

The tax code has tons of holes in it, it just takes some elaborate structuring to take advantage of them.

Socialism is a gentle word for Communism. And ir requires a powerful central government to enforce. Equality is unnatural. It exists no where in the natural world. Not long term.

So Anarcho-Socialism is an oxymoron. And impossible

It's not impossible- look into Catalonia pre-Franco, and as I suggest elsewhere in this thread, look into Rudolf Rocker (who was in Catalonia at the time) and Chomsky. I'm not trying to force anyone into anything. You are ignoring the key word- Anarchism.

Lol the cia has a giant history of trying to shut down socialism. Maybe you’re in the wrong place bub?

Anti-communism is the reason the intelligence agencies run our government, the reason the military budget is massive and untouchable, and the reason the government wipes its ass with the fourth amendment. That clear enough for you?

All the worst parts of communism came about because its leaders knew that the wealthiest and most powerful people in the world were doing everything in their power to kill them, and reacted accordingly.

Interesting you bring up terrorism, as Islamic terrorism only rose to prominence because the CIA et al needed it to fight the secular left.

You're a puppet of TPTB.

Hoping the hereditary elites can rule unchecked is a funny way to define freedom. Worrying about just one type of force makes you more likely to get non-governmental force in your life. Thinking of government as monolithic is ignorant defeatism.

If you want maximum freedom and minimum force in your life, you need to either exterminate everyone else, or else practice some form of democracy. Legitimate government is just a social contract for how to maximize freedom and minimize force when you have relations with other people.

Guilty as charged.

Communists aren't human

Maybe cool down and explain what you are talking about?

Well, people are allowed to discuss such things. It doesn't mean the sub "advocates" the concept. It just means a forum is provided to hash it out. And you should probably not call the sub "idiots". It is a Rule 10 violation.

You need to acquaint yourself with the rules if we are going to get along.

Why aren't you enforcing the rules right now? I've seen people get warnings and deleted messages for these type of things, why is this poster not treated the same?

Because he hasn't literally attacked anyone.

He called all of the sub idiots, and in this comment he explicitly calls me a fucking idiot: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8eplhb/this_sub_advocating_single_payer_universal/dxx3ah2/

Pussy

| bank regulation.

How many times have the banks proven they cant be trusted (to over leverage the system and need bailouts)? Savings and loan scandal, junk bond scandel, Long Term Capital...and that was just in a 10 year period in the 80s/90s alone. Pre-great recession.

The banks will always do 105% of what the laws allow because they know the government doesn't have the resources to do proper oversight. Banks basically self report, there are no real deep audits. If you want the banks to drive 55 mph you have to set the speed limit at 50 mph. Its always about too much leverage / risk, the rest is bullshit.

Not all banks are commercial banks that need your deposits. You have strong opinions but don't see to know much about banking.

Some guy gave me a study advocating for universal health care and it was led by the friggin world bank and Rockefeller foundation. Crazy who these people put their trust in.

Surely if the powers that be wanted single payer, we'd fucking have it.

Well, I hope you're right. Fingers crossed.

Here's hoping!

Ok, Rule 10. I warned you.

No. Use your grownup words.

Attack the argument, not the person.

Read the rules and proceed at your own risk.

So, after a warning earlier did you ever end up banning this account? We've all seen accounts banned for less.

I don't have ban perms. Send a msg to mod mail if you have a concern.

You probably should, you are the most active mod I see around here.

Oh huge surprise people want fucking healthcare

Yep fuck all poor people huh

yea the government that pays for one of my grandparents to stay alive and not the penny pinching corporatist that work daily to make sure all of us are in the dirt.

Imagine being this fucking stupid:)

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You mean the corporations that invented all the healthcare technology keeping her alive?

Yea that probably explains why Cuba has the worst doctor and medical system in the world huh

Grab a shovel comrade, the future is bright!

Capitalism will eat itself and soon rich people’s heads will be on sticks. Just wait

The Marxist revolution was cancelled. People decided kill 100 million people was enough and they were going to enjoy capitalism. We need to fix government, however. That's what the convention of states is about: https://conventionofstates.com/

I’m not denying that there will be mass death during the revolution. It will happen. Hey I’ll even say america is the perfect place for Marxism to happen because capitalism builds infrastructure and we would thrive better with that

The revolution isn't going to happen: https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2011/02/meeting_young_obama.html

Have you heard of the convention of states? I suggest you check it out. It is a way to fix government without Marxism.

You should watch Dr. Jordan Peterson's lectures on Marxism / Collectivism and Post Modernism. Marxism promises impossible dreams and cuts everyone off at the knee so we are equal.

Lol fuck no I’m not watching Kermit the frog tell me how Disney princesses are bad, that dude is a fuvking joke. Post modernism doesn’t exist because no one can proof it.

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Lol, I don't really agree with op either, but reading your comment was like hot boxxing kimchee farts through a straw. We have all lost our minds, we gotta figure out how to get along again man. This whole divide is mostly synthetic.

Politics isn’t supposed to be all peace and fun. It’s supposed to be dirty. Sorry bub.

This isn't politics homie. Totally different sewage.

Tell him to clean his room too =)

True patriots like dying from preventable diseases you commie bastard

True patriots don’t question why we spend a trillion dollars for wars we don’t need to be involved in! Semper fi!!!

I want food too, but I don't want to have all farmers be forced to work for the government, and to have the government hand out food.

Have you heard of Milton Friedman?

If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there’d be a shortage of sand.

That quote is fuckin' brilliant on so many levels. I cannot believe the amount of Statist Sympathizers in this thread and on this sub.

Some of these people are paid, and some are brainwashed from their education system. Anyway, just keep handing out red pills!

Aye, and ditto!

I wonder if some are legit but only recently "woke" because of the conspiracy against Bernie Sanders supporters.

I remember when I first started waking. It freaking hurt and was so overwhelming. If i had dumped into a sub like this in 2001 I woils probably be an idiot too. Though I never believed govt could handle anything well except tyranny and terrorizing and murder.

It's gonna take a lot to shake off their indoctrination. I know my husband used to agree mostly with me but he got obsessed with Reddit through work friends and now I have to keep trying to debate him and shake him out of it.

He sometimes will but then comes back to say some crazy crap... And man his disapproval that I wasn't feeling sorry for GHW Bush when his wife died. I wasn't trash talking or anything just not interested in discussing what poor spook Bush was going through. He knows how I feel about the Bushes and Clintons and Obama lol

Have him watch Clinton Cash: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LYRUOd_QoM

oh and it’s not the shills, because the same people that employ them are against universal health care.

Obamacare had armies of shills on this sub and others. Where you not around for the election shills?

It’s not universal health care when the plan was co-opted by two insurance companies. Also Obamacare is trash, I think a majority of the time when someone implies UHC they want medicare for all. You know, the most popular healthcare plan in the USA.

IMO the main problem is price gauging in the for profit healthcare and pharma industry. Without fixing that problem things won't change even if government paid for it using the money they take from us.

I say we need to go back to pre-Nixon era where the health care industry had a profit cap.

No amount of trying to leverage government power will have any positive effect until the tax laws are changed to require the rich to pay their fair share.

Every program we already have is paid for by the middle class. Any new programs will be paid for by the middle class. The rich will continue to be insulated.

Not if we impose a wealth tax.

As I clearly said: until we fix the tax code. the rich will get richer and the working class will pay for everything.

A conspiracy sub advocating to perpetuate corporatism. Fucking. Insane.

Hmm here’s a crazy thought.. what if the corporations own the government?

Oh right, that’s how it works. Not capitalism at all huh

They can't own them if we eliminated govt regulatory agencies. They take over the FDA for example, with revolving doors of lucrative employment. Lobby and think tanks too.

Congress should be banned from stock trading and from profiting from office.

Best thing we can to is scale back govt drastically. Laissez Faire so they can't reverse the power/control and limit campaigns to an equal amount each so these pay for play schemes can be ended.

We nees patent reform also. Public domain must be protected and none od these make a tiny change and renew privaye control antics.

I am sure others have great ideas too. Govt doing everything has been done to death... Maybe 300 million deaths in fact in tbe last century.

Then pay for it, like I do.

Good for you, you can afford it.

You mean: you can't afford to prioritize Healthcare into your spending.

You mean you’re better well off than half of Americans who make 30k a year or less.

Choices

Loads of rightwingers all over the world love universal healthcare. Bannon fromage and Cambridge Analytica used it to push Brexit through in the UK. More money for the NHS written on the side of a bus. It's like the Military or Schools the right loves it once they have it and Conservative politicians have to be sneaky about destroying it or they will lose votes.

So wanting a good thing that has been proven to work in other countries and would benefit everyone shouldn't be scoffed at it should be encouraged and it isn't a conspiracy or a left or right thing we should all look after each other and not be selfish cunts when it comes to healthcare. Have you ever experienced universal healthcare?

I work in a government hospital providing healthcare effectively.

Did you pull the plug on a toddler and have police bar their parenrs from taking him to get a second opiniom offered freely by Italy? https://youtu.be/wGDih4VCFUU

Agreed, OP. Perhaps they're subtly trying to convert the truth movement into endorsing socialist policies?

Thanks for blowing the whistle on this, it crossed my mind earlier when I saw the thread on the front page. Very unusual for this sub.

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Doesn't benefit Alfie Evans https://youtu.be/wGDih4VCFUU

Fuck sending kids to the vatican

At first, I upvoted you OP. Then I read your reply to this comment, and then I downvoted you OP.

I’m so patriotic, I piss red white and blue. My doctor said it may be pancreatic cancer. I told him to shut his commie mouth!

Mate you gotta case of patriotitis not pancreatitis or cancer. Just drink more beer and eat oxy, watch foozballs and salute the flag you potentially sliding to communist bastard.

>implying that a socialist government isn't still lobbied by the private sector

Exactly.

There are some foolish people out there. They don't realize that Marxism is the biggest conspiracy ever. Also, this sub gets attacked by paid trolls who want to win in 2018.

You're right, I should say there are a lot of foolish people out there. Anyway, I presume we both agree that Marxism / socialism / communism is the biggest conspiracy ever.

BTW, your post should have included a link or something. What's the best link you have for healthcare red pilling? Mine is this: http://humanevents.com/2009/07/22/take-two-aspirin-and-call-me-when-your-cancer-is-stage-4/

They have this contradiction perpetuated by media. Govt is infallible on health care, protective regulation and education and no one but them can do it right and on the other hand shrug at trillions gone missing at Pentagon or 39 visits by police and CPS yet Cruz never got arrested or institutionalized oopsy well it's not the government's fault it's the guns everywhere.

It's maddening.

Alfie Evans is mine the last few days. It makes me so angry and so very sad.

https://youtu.be/wGDih4VCFUU

You have to understand that many people are just recently being woke up to how corrupt government is. They know very little and fall for the first fad that promises free shit not knowing they are being bribed into being statists, and not knowing that they are just falling for an old trick.

It's a viscous circle that comes from a lack of knowing history.

What about in like 50 years when technology has progressed so far that people simply can't find jobs to work?

And? Just because people have been saying it doesn't mean it will never happen, what if it does?

I think this video will help to show what I am trying to get at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

Is this a serious comment?

So you’d rather your tax payer money be spent on the pentagon and paying Wall Street executives million dollar bonuses? Because that’s where it’s going now. Why the fuck should the top only benefit from taxes? I’m tired of the upper class worship in our society

Why do you Marxists/Socialists always use the False Dilemma Fallacy? Is it because you can only reach people on an emotional level, and not a level of logic or reason? Methinks, that's the reason. Furthermore, taxation is theft.

I’m not a socialist

Universal Healthcare is not an extremist position. Not having it is. The world proves this

I’m not a socialist

Doubtful.

Universal Healthcare is not an extremist position.

Yes it is, because the only way you can provide it, is to steal from one group and give to another group. Stealing is pretty extreme (and punishable by jail time) when the common man does it, but, for some reason the government gets a pass at it. Logic at [10].

Not having it is.

How so? If I don't have an iPhone and want/need one, does that give me the right to steal my neighbor's? That bitch only uses it to play candy crush!

The world proves this

No, the world proves that Socialism is not sustainable, and is purely propped up by taking on debt and borrowing money from more wealthy nations.

Why do you think there are institutions such as the IMF, World Bank, and BIS? European Socialism could never exist on the level it is, without the fiat ponzi scheme. Same with the US, because believe it or not... The US is already a Socialist country, and has been since at last 1913.

Thanks. Your OP is most certainly needed as a discussion here. I've been noticing this shit for a while now. It's blatantly obvious it's being pushed and people are being duped.

I wish I could keep a cooler head and have time to really address each point. Instead I get a bit annoyed and don't want to spend ten minutes on my phone replying.

Happens to the best of us, friend. It's very frustrating and I've been having this discussion on here for years, and know exactly where you're coming from. Best to learn to keep your cool, and hit them back with facts, logic, and reason.

Strange how many comments this got though. Most of my posts don't attract much

You've kicked a hornets nest, lol. Learn from this experience, on how to defend yourself from the angry hornets better next time ;)

Cheers!

So are you willing to explain why healthcare cost and quality of healthcare in these so called “socialist countries” are ranked higher than America? Why do you resist ideas that are proven to work?

Hey? When did we get partisan and banish commies, Marxists and socialists?

For what reason?

That is the same thing you get with the feudal system now called libertarian.

A couple of differences, only the land owners or monarchs had any individualism, and the peasants belonged to the land owner, who could pretty do as he wished, with only a pretense of interference from what was then one church.

What state? Post fall of Rome Europe was in constant flux right up until Charlemagne. Each monarch controlled and expanded or surrendered according to his power.

Feudalism is the inevitable end state for libertarianism. The person who can amass the most wealth and power makes the rules.

What does it mean then? Because that is exactly what it means in its pure form.

Learn, the talk.

See my previous comment.

Fuedalism is enforced by caste systems and ultimately a monarch at the head who can abuse non-peerage any way they want. That is not Libertarianism and what an absurd idea. It shows incredible ignorance about both forms.

And what do you think will happen when one group of people manage to claim all the wealth and power for themselves? The inherent flaw with Libertarianism (and Capitalism too) is that once you have money / power it's easier for you to gain more than it is for people with less.

One post does not fucking equal “this sub”. You done?

Dude, we get multiple posts daily promoting Marxism/Socialism/Statism in one way or another.

I have noticed it too, but this is way overblown. "This sub", is far from an accurate representation. You're going to have to accept that people recognize something is fucked up in our society, and our "government" is controlled by puppet-masters.

They might not agree with everything you do, but they can agree on those basic foundations, and that's what's required for real change at this time. You don't think so? Removing the dirt bags is step 1. Let's not get ahead of ourselves in the small minded details after that, because step 1. is monumental.

but this is way overblown.

I don't think so, because the posts usually end up on the front page with massive upvotes, and many are actually posted by a few mods (like fuckin' clock work).

Then people have the gull to piss and moan and say this sub has been taken over by the Right or some bullshit. It's the complete opposite, imo, and liars love to project.

They might not agree with everything you do, but they can agree on those basic foundations, and that's what's required for real change at this time.

Except, their "solution" is for more government control of our damn lives. What. The. Actual. Fuck? When did "Conspiracy theorists" think the government is the solution to governmental problems?

Furthermore, if the government is responsible for the most deaths in human history, then why the fuck would you want them in control of your healthcare? It boggles my fuckin' mind, and that my friend, is called Stockholm Syndrome.

I don't even look at the front page, just browse /new. You might be right there.

I would say this sub has become extremely divided by posts like these, which work to magnify the differences between those that frequent it, but right/left is highly subjective.

Their solution doesn't matter right now, neither does ours. First there's a problem to take care of, isn't there? Can we at least come together on the problem and start there? Apparently not.

I wasn't aware I chimed in on healthcare, or stated I wanted the government in charge of such affairs. That shit probably belongs in another sub though, don't you think? I have plenty of money to take care of my healthcare needs, and this is yet another distraction to more pressing issues, in my opinion.

Ive noticed it too. And I post about Alfie Evans every chance I get. At least his suffering and death and parent's anguish could have some benefit if it wakes people up. https://youtu.be/wGDih4VCFUU

Alfie Evans

That's such a sad fuckin' case, and should be a wake up call to people. But, it won't be. They'll just keep ignorantly leading themselves to the slaughter, like the good little sheep they are, and just what the herders want them to do. smh.

Single payer health care is the single biggest improvement America could possibly make for the average citizen.

Know what my last 10 trips to the hospital cost me? $0.

In the 30 years Ive been a tax paying adult about $50000 of my money has gone to health care. In exchange over that same time period I've received medical services that would be valued around the $1 million dollar mark in America. Sorry, not sorry.

Well, no.

Did you onow that per capita health care costs in America are more than double those in Canada?

No, because you're forced to negotiate for services individually, and the insurance companies have all the leverage, and can take profits on the order of several hundred percent.

Trust the American government? Not bloody likely. Still, it's not like they could make a worse system than the one you already have.

That's why you have strict rules about tenders.

Trust the American government? Not bloody likely. Still, it's not like they could make a worse system than the one you already have.

Trust the American government? Not bloody likely. Still, it's not like they could make a worse system than the one you already have.

That's because we don't have a true free market. If we did we could shop across state lines or form buying coops. Drive prices down.

All the red take and over regulation and bureaucracy mess drives up costs for physicians. Clean it all up, teach people to insist on up front pricing and give us and the free market it's unrivaled power of creating a natural balance.

It would also help if we got away from sick care and medicine as drug pushers. Saw a sickening article today Goldman Sachs saying they must oppose gene therapy because it's curing Hep B and soon there wont be any more money because there won't be anyone sick with it.

Same problem. Truly free markets (if such a thing were possible) must end in monopolies, because the wealthy have an advantage over the less wealthy.

You really need to go to school bud.

Look, it's obvious that you have no understanding of economics beside what you've read on conspiracy blogs. Go to school, take a few econ classes, and then we can have a meaningful discussion.

I'll tag you bud. Get back to me in a couple years and maybe we can continue this. I think your heart is in the right place even though your brain isn't.

Alfie And his parents disagree. His govt healthcare sentenced him to death And because of bad optics for NHS wont let him get the freely offered care in Italy. https://youtu.be/wGDih4VCFUU

They pulled incredibly expensive care from a terminal case with absolutely no long term prospects. That is a brutally hard decision, but I see why they would consider it in the public interest. My own government has done similar at times, and I don't necessarily think they were wrong, however harsh the decision seems. When the cost of treating one person - who has a 0% chance at ever leading a productive life, or even surviving long term - is greater than the projected lifetime costs of several others then how can it be justified.

In America he never would have never had treatment in the first place, unless his parents were rich, and even then only until the money ran out.

we prefer our totalitarianism to be corporate.

If wanting roads, a fire department, schools, healthcare, and meat inspectors makes me a communist...yes. Sign me the fuck up.

Silly. You think we didn't manage all that before? And better?

State health care leads to toddler death sentences too. https://youtu.be/wGDih4VCFUU

This.

Hmm, this is an argument that will never be won and i'll tell you why :

The British, or other countries that have free health care know that no matter how shitty life gets for them, their friends or their family, no matter how bad they get hurt, where or when, they know that people will do everything in their power to save that human life. Not for money, not for profit purely for the good of being a decent human being.

The Americans :

Have proved time and time and time again that they are easily brainwashed by MSM and Big Pharma. At the same time, they have been brain washed into believing that the American system is best, socialism and communism are bad. Mix in this with the perception that "fuck u got mine" when it comes to asking them to pay for 'somebody' else's treatment. Finally, throw in a splash of "muh governmunts control ma helf care" and you can see it's a pointless battle.

There are few cases of where the (UK) government has ballsed up, don't get me wrong, it happens. It happened in Staffordshire. But these incidents are so few and far between. Compare this to Big Pharma and how they were caught selling drugs to people who didn't need them. That wouldn't happen in the NHS, simply because they don't have the budget to buy fake drugs that don't work.

America and Britain don't see eye to eye on many topics and we both argue that we are right and the other is wrong (LHD vs RHD, escalator vs elevator, sneakers vs trainers etc.) on this topic though? America is way behind the times.

How can your country Motto be "liberty and justice for all" if the poor can't even have decent fucking healthcare? Come on for fuck sake, you're willingly let people suffer because you're too fucking selfish to have an NHS style system. Nahh, bitch and moan about Saudi or Israel letting kids suffer, while you sit at home typing on your fancy internet devices while kids IN YOUR COUNTRY are suffering.

Wise up.

So it's companies taking your money through force, subversion and giving it to others, all while you get given sub-par medical treatment.

I know which one I will keep with.

Otherwise you die/don't receive medical treatment

No. It's better.

Taking YOUR money to help OTHERS is only a problem in the eyes of the Americans.

So it's companies taking your money through force, subversion and giving it to others, all while you get given sub-par medical treatment.

I know which one I will keep with.

Are you an anarchist?

You’re happy with the government stealing your money in the hopes that one day you might need their help? You could just use your tax money to hire a private police force or buy a gun, no? Seems like a pretty arbitrary line to draw.

But you understand that's also theft and would be defeated by your own arguments unless you take it as an axiom?

It doesn't have to be "free". But certainly we can do something about the current system that sees medical providers colluding with insurance companies to bilk the government, and the population of their money.

You are so sweet! I love you too! 🙂

Not all banks are commercial banks that need your deposits. You have strong opinions but don't see to know much about banking.

The revolution isn't going to happen: https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2011/02/meeting_young_obama.html

Have you heard of the convention of states? I suggest you check it out. It is a way to fix government without Marxism.

Hoping the hereditary elites can rule unchecked is a funny way to define freedom. Worrying about just one type of force makes you more likely to get non-governmental force in your life. Thinking of government as monolithic is ignorant defeatism.

If you want maximum freedom and minimum force in your life, you need to either exterminate everyone else, or else practice some form of democracy. Legitimate government is just a social contract for how to maximize freedom and minimize force when you have relations with other people.

Well, no.

Did you onow that per capita health care costs in America are more than double those in Canada?

Trust the American government? Not bloody likely. Still, it's not like they could make a worse system than the one you already have.

Trust the American government? Not bloody likely. Still, it's not like they could make a worse system than the one you already have.

Trust the American government? Not bloody likely. Still, it's not like they could make a worse system than the one you already have.

I’m not a socialist

Doubtful.

Universal Healthcare is not an extremist position.

Yes it is, because the only way you can provide it, is to steal from one group and give to another group. Stealing is pretty extreme (and punishable by jail time) when the common man does it, but, for some reason the government gets a pass at it. Logic at [10].

Not having it is.

How so? If I don't have an iPhone and want/need one, does that give me the right to steal my neighbor's? That bitch only uses it to play candy crush!

The world proves this

No, the world proves that Socialism is not sustainable, and is purely propped up by taking on debt and borrowing money from more wealthy nations.

Why do you think there are institutions such as the IMF, World Bank, and BIS? European Socialism could never exist on the level it is, without the fiat ponzi scheme. Same with the US, because believe it or not... The US is already a Socialist country, and has been since at last 1913.

Alfie Evans

That's such a sad fuckin' case, and should be a wake up call to people. But, it won't be. They'll just keep ignorantly leading themselves to the slaughter, like the good little sheep they are, and just what the herders want them to do. smh.

You should watch Dr. Jordan Peterson's lectures on Marxism / Collectivism and Post Modernism. Marxism promises impossible dreams and cuts everyone off at the knee so we are equal.

Socialism will never work long term without someone using force on others. Equality of outcome is tyrannical.

So it's companies taking your money through force, subversion and giving it to others, all while you get given sub-par medical treatment.

I know which one I will keep with.

So it's companies taking your money through force, subversion and giving it to others, all while you get given sub-par medical treatment.

I know which one I will keep with.

Are you an anarchist?