The amount of projection in that thread is astounding. People speak out against what they consider a gross injustice, and they try to spin it into being a "defense" of said injustice, which makes no sense whatsoever. They're really reaching, with this one.
Maybe they figure some people will see their lying link but not actually click through to read the comments that show the opposite of their claims? It's easy to tell bold lies if you can trust that your audience won't bother to actually check your sources.
The same goes for fukushima and setagaya observer. Its like they have a bot that notifies when certain topics are discussed. Nah thats crazy I doubt it..
As I mentioned in another comment, this thread isn't going to change anyone's mind so folks should just rehash the data, stay civil and agree to disagree.
Personally I can see how children having fun can be described as entertainment, especially for the grandparents the email was distributed between.
I saved the following comment which describes the event in more detail.
The party was an annual get together of friends who knew each other from having worked together as Congressional staffers. The people invited were men and women in their mid-50s, mostly married couples (except for the bottom row in that photo array). John Podesta and his wife were invited, but couldn't attend. I think Mary is actually the one who is friends with them because, the previous year, the invitation was sent to her email and she forwarded it to John because she was going to be out of the country.
In the email, she's letting the guests know that the pool is going to be open and heated —even though the party was in October that year— so they'll bring their bathing suits. From the email:
With enormous gratitude to Advance Man Extraordinaire Haber, I am popping
up again to share our excitement about the Reprise of Our Gang’s visit to
the farm in Lovettsville. And I thought I’d share a couple more notes:
We plan to heat the pool, so a swim is a possibility. Bonnie will be
Uber Service to transport Ruby, Emerson, and Maeve Luzzatto (11, 9, and
almost 7) so you’ll have some further entertainment, and they will be in
that pool for sure. And with the forecast showing prospects of some sun,
and a cooler temp of lower 60s, I suggest you bring sweaters of whatever
attire will enable us to use our outdoor table with a pergola overhead so
we dine al fresco (and ideally not al-CHILLo).
By the way, I don't know if you have ever played with kids in a swimming pool, but it is actually fun in a completely nonsexual way. They like to be thrown through the air and to stand on your shoulders and jump off and you can totally destroy them in a splash battle.
Mostly I've done it with my own kids but the last time we were at a church picnic at a lake, three boys were pretend-attacking me (one on each arm and one on my back) and I walked out where it was deep enough that they were all floating so I could toss them around. Then the one on my back climbed a little higher and I couldn't move and the water was right up to my mouth! Haha, suddenly I'm almost drowning! Since I didn't know how well they could swim, I didn't want to duck under the water to shake them off. Eventually I managed to take a step onto higher ground.
Np, also ninja edited - there was no reference to a "hot tub" which immediately has more sexual connotations than "heating the pool" - an example of how important language and syntax is, particularly with pizzagate.
Just for the record, as a grown adult who has raised children, there were plenty of times over the years when my children were young that I referred to them as "entertainment" to our friends raising their own children. They are activity and bustle and occupy a lot of attention, hence "entertainment". So just one vote for, I don't see this as odd in the slightest.
From my perspective, the exact same thing could be said for the other side as well. Do you find that tiring as well? Personally, as long as one side keeps rehashing the same points, I am all for the other side providing the same rebuttals. But that is just me.
I know I just think mods shouldn't be calling out users that way. It just adds to the noise already present for people like me who get called a shill constantly because we don't toe the line.
Really weird your entire comment history is all about pizzagatw and that you didn't comment on anything else since 4 months ago, only to show up for this thread like clockwork.
Hmm I wouldn't say a 2 day gap between commenting here on a separate thread and topic, while I have commented several dozen times in other subs in the meantime, and waiting FOUR MONTHS between comments on the exact same subject is very comparable at all.
Interesting you would try to frame it as such. I bet that deflection tactic works a lot.
Please explain how you came to the conclusion I was defending child pork here. I'd love to hear it.
For anyone curious
Deepfakes were a type of video made by taking normal videos of celebrities and putting their faces onto porn stars making an extremely convincing but fake video of say for example, Emma Watson getting banged (also Nic Cage onto everyone is a very common use and how this began).
This thread was discussing how it was involuntary pornography for those celebrities and why it was banned from Reddit. (Similar to when they banned the fappening)
I correctly pointed out to another user in this thread who was concerned of people making child porn by stealing the faces of children and putting them into porn videos that it wouldn't be considered so because any video they put a kids face on would be a video from the porn industry of a 18+ woman performing and not a child. It would be glorified Photoshop, not child porn.
So can you explain how I'm advocating for child pornography exactly? By explaining that words have meanings and definitions?
Any realistic appearing computer generated depiction that is indistinguishable from a depiction of an actual minor in sexual situations or engaging in sexual acts is illegal under 18 U.S.C. § 2252A
Except it's not or at least they certainly don't enforce it. From your own link
Drawings, cartoons, sculptures, and paintings of minors in sexual situations that do not pass the Miller test were made illegal under 18 U.S.C. § 1466A.
You can find that on reddit and no one calls for it to be removed, let alone made illegal. Beyond that my original point in the comment chain you posted is that no children are actually involved in the sex or filming so it would be quite a stretch to say the end result is what most people would consider to be actual child porn (videos and images of actual nude or sexualized children). Weird you would try to conflate that with defending child porn as an industry - almost like you're intentionally trying to obfuscate my message.
Hey - at least I'm getting you to have discussions about something other than podesta right? That's a first for you in almost over a year.
Furthermore the fact you spent so much time actually reading my comments (I didn't read yours just noted the topic of the thread you commented in) is fucking hilarious. Read away.
What is illuminating is that this is the worst you could find and that you attempted to spin my argument into something it's not. There's a name for those kind of tactics I'm sure you're well familiar with. Very illuminating indeed.
Thank you for making this easy to see where you stand.
Sorry you had to wade through all the shitposts and me bitching about the Denver Broncos just to find me arguing over legal semantics of AI generated fake porn lmfao. Pretty big waste of your time you could've spent informing the users of conspiracy that Alefantis and podesta are perfectly regular joes
I don't comment on many threads, though I read many threads. There are a few topics I have dug into over the years that I do comment on. Probably because those are topics I imagine I know a little about. I suspect JaimeLesEnfants behaves similarly. So, not terribly weird at all. Just human nature.
Did they claim he was a shill or did they merely point out the unusual account activity that is common with forum manipulators that get pings when certain keywords are used?
Are you now claiming that shills don’t exist at all?
I find the worst shills are the silly folks that hide in private subreddits debating whether other users are shills to the point that they dig up information on those folks then cutely refer to it later when they come out of their little private enclave and think they discovered some big revelation and giddily throw it around like they're in 3rd grade show and tell.
Those folks are actually the biggest hypocrites too.
You’re avoiding the question that paid forum manipulators exist, and are present on most conspiracy forums, as well as corporate shills who shill products on major social media platforms, including reddit.
While not required, you are requested to use the NP (No Participation) domain of reddit when crossposting. This helps to protect both your account, and the accounts of other users, from administrative shadowbans. The NP domain can be accessed by replacing the "www" in your reddit link with "np".
If that’s what you really think happens in the conclave, keep up your delusions.
I mean, it kind of looks like that's what's going on there. It's possible that it's just a bad example that makes that subreddit look worse than it actually is. Like that thread is taken out of context of larger, more detailed discussions going on there in other threads. The problem is that "outsiders" have no way of knowing what's going on and what's being discussed. Making a private subreddit for only certain "chosen" users to be able to discuss this subreddit with the mods is basically asking for people to suspect that something nefarious is going on, even if it isn't.
The problem is that "outsiders" have no way of knowing what's going on and what's being discussed. Making a private subreddit for only certain "chosen" users to be able to discuss this subreddit with the mods is basically asking for people to suspect that something nefarious is going on, even if it isn't.
The ”chosen” users are users who have been active in conspiracy for a long time, and participate. Since the election, there has been a huge influx of users who come here to forum slide and manipulate comment sections.
Coincidencently, the only conspiracy they will claim exists is Trump Russia collusion, which has been pushed by the mainstream, project mockingbird media
In particular, /r/TopMindsOfReddit is where many of these users come from. Rule 13 and the 2 month account rule was made to combat the brigades and forum sliding. They will stalk users, and have attempted to dox them in the past.
In case you are wondering why reddit admins allow the blatant site wide rule breaking, it is likely sanctioned as it has support from mainsteam media.
But there's evidence that elite pedophile rings have existed in Washington D.C. Why is it so far-fetched to imagine operations taking place at various interconnected properties in D.C.
If you're willing to admit that global pedophile rings exist, can you describe how you think the operations/logistics of an elite pedophile ring operating out of Washington D.C. would work?
I know it's not conclusive, but you sometimes gotta trust your instincts. Literally the first time I saw a picture of John Podesta the first thought that popped in my head was "looks like a pedophile"
Yeah cheese pizza means child pornography and has been around for a long time.
Now the email reads
The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pornography-related. Is it yorus? They can send it if you want. I know you’re busy, so feel free not to respond if it’s not yours or you don’t want it.
And that's your evidence that John Podesta is a pedophile - because a woman used the word pizza in a email sent to him about real estate and a lost handkerchief.
You don't think they are code? What could a pizza related map even be? Why would it be on a handkerchief? How can you read that sentence and not think it sounds very strange?
Seems more reasonable to assume Kathryn and Susan are talking about a novelty handkerchief than switching between talking about pillows and houses to child abuse in the same email chain.
Well, any one of these things is going to be able to be written off, but when they are all taken together, then you start to think, "maybe this isn't some innocuous message about an actual handkerchief. "
The thing for me is, all the allegations can be written off.
In totality the theory isn't cohesive, with threads from Podestas real estate agent to James Alefantis instagram friends and Tony Podestas ex wife's role on a Washington police charity.
It's all cooked together to paint this magic eye picture that even when you squint doesn't create a decipherable image.
Let's also remember that the idea that pizzagate was simply "Hillary Clinton + Pals running paedophilic rng out of edgy pizza pallor?" was the MSM story they used to discredit it, by taking the dumbest bits and omitting plenty of other aspects so they could "debunk" it.
I didn't say they did. I'm saying that the MSM cherry picked information from across the broad spectrum of theories that fall under "pizzagate" to erect a straw man which they could "debunk" for the cameras, despite not actually addressing the vast majority of information available which lead pizzagate theorists to their respective conclusions.
Look at my last comment. You nailed it. It's become super easy to spot shills about this topic. A MAN SHOT UP THAT PIZZA SHOP SOMEONE COULD HAVE BEEN KILLED (doesn't mention photos of Alefantis with the DC police commissioner, doesn't mention the cameras facing the building were pointed a different direction the day of the shooting, doesn't mention the one bullet shot destroyed the hardrive of the computer in the store, doesn't mention the shooter was a fucking actor)
Ah mate! I remember on the subreddit the day before the "shooting" that guy from DC who posted about the traffic camera facing the other way, and then the next day - what do ya know! A shooting occurs. To everyone who saw that post beforehand the false flag was obvious. And like you mentioned, he only shot one bullet and it went straight into the computer tower (note: just in the interest of being specific, we don't actually know that it hit the hard drive. It was reported that it hit the computer tower in the back office, but what specific components got hit was never made public).
You are correct. We were "told" that's where the bullet hit....which is still kinda sloppy. But shills will say "OMG HE COULD HAVE KILLED SOMEONE!" yeah so could the shitty driver I was behind earlier this morning.
The traffic camera never pointed at Comet Ping Pong in the first place, it pointed at the intersection, so it's irrelevant that it may have been off position. And Welch fired several shots in the pizzeria.. And calling him an actor is a stretch – he played "raver/victim" in one trashy film (ie, he was an extra, not an actor).
Tony is good friends with serial child molester Dennis Hastert, who served as speaker of the house for nearly a decade. Tony and John both have EXTREMELY questionable interests in art, a long with James Alefantis.
Bill Clinton is good friends with convicted child trafficker and pedo Jeffrey Epstein, who was in a relationship with Ghislaine Maxwell (daughter of Mossad agent Robert Maxwell) and was sued by Virginia Roberts who has claimed she was forced to have sex with Prince Andrew under age. She is also pictured with Prince Andrew.
Those are the facts. It is very eyebrow rising and what I touched on is literally only the tip of the iceberg.
Is wrong. He doesn't call anyone a chicken hawk. He uses the hashtag chickenlovers.
How does a photo of a friend holding a baby with the hashtag "chickenlovers" indicate the activity of a pedophile and why would a pedophile post their pedophile proclivities in public?
Okay bruh bruh, I'm looking at your comment replies on this thread, and you've clearly got some sort of agenda here, so I won't bother arguing with someone that doesn't want to actually have a conversation or be convinced of anything.
But, just to your reply: why do all of the #chickenlover tags have chickens in them? Why does James' only have a little kid and no chicken?
OOOOOOOP! Maybe #chickenlover means different things to different people, huh?
Well, if you know the 'whole' pizzagate issue, then I'm assuming you've gone over to the voat pizzagate and read about all the various rabbitholes they've uncovered. The issue with pizzagate isn't comet ping pong itself, it's a wider issue of political pedophilia and human trafficking via The Clinton Global Initiative.
The issue is comet ping pong via the Podesta emails was the corner stone of early pizzagate investigations so to move the story to some tertiary 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon seems disingenuous.
Nah, because everyone suspects the initial people named in pizzagate have something to do with the other stuff. The fact that Tony & John were/are friends with a convicted pedophile (Hassert) deserves at least an explanation....how many pedophiles are you friends with? If I found out my friend was a pedophile, I would immediately cut ties with him, why didn't the Podestas?
All those cats are NTBT, imo. At the very least, some of this shit should be explained. But that has never happened, the narrative has been reduced to 'oh, you think kids were trafficked in a pizza parlor? FAKE NEWS', without really explaining or offering up an explanation of all the circumstantial evidence that IS valid, or DOES deserve further examination.
What's up man, where's that explanation of Heavy Breathing? You know, Amanda Kleinman, on video made a joke about everyone 'having their preferences' after someone yelled out 'little kids' or something? How about sexstains too, while we're at it? The pedo triangle in their music videos? The two bands (that are shitty bands, I should add) that played all the time at Comet...you know what I'm talking about, right expert? What's up with that? You're an expert on this, right?
Man, these people sure are friends with a lot of convicted pedophiles! What's up with that? Again, I don't know any pedophiles....do you? But, oh wait, I forgot, there's nothing to pizzagate right? You're the expert...please explain this to me, oh wise one!
Or, are you not gonna say shit because there is no explanation, and you fuckin knoooooow it.
Bro, I went through your post history. You latch onto minutia, intentionally missing the point, don't respond to the actual point, and you derail.
So, what, you're probably buddies with these guys or something, huh? I'm a super duper skeptical person (and quite articulate as well, as you can see), but even I know something's fucky here. If you don't, you're intentionally missing the point. Whatever man, I don't even care. Have fun posting on pizzagate threads trying to derail the conversation. Have fun with whatever you do in your free time.
I've come to the conclusion people are absolute sheep and won't do anything to change their situation, no matter what kind of stuff is shoved in their faces, so I won't even deign to say some bullshit like, 'one day, we're gonna get your kind', because honestly, no one probably will.
I don't see how discussing the details of the allegations can be considered derailing the thread. A thread specifically about the allegations.
You may be articulate but it isn't me who is missing the point.
You have started from the position that Podesta and Co are child abusers so you add all these little bits of not even worrying instagram posts and friends of friends paintings they talk about in news paper articles and use that to paint a pedo picture.
You can tell I'm hitting a nerve with you because you resort to personal attacks on my character (of which you no nothing) and of my post history (which is no secret).
Does nobody here remember the monologue from Heavy Breathing in the CPP "back area" for the excited crowd in which someone yell "He likes little boys!" And the HB MC replies sinisterly, " well we all have our preferences...heh heh heh"
You bitches want to act like everything was pulled out an ass and construed. They took down Alefantes' Instagram for a reason - IT WAS DISGUSTING and nearly every post and
Comment was questionable. If it wasn't don't you think he would have left it up as proof of his innocent and family oriented restaurant purity?
Not sure if you people can still pull up a complete archived version of the CPP/Alefantis Instagram - probably not. But if you never saw it in the first place I'm not sure how you can argue with me in ignorance.
This is simply further evidence that Pizzagate is a political witch-hunt. Podesta received a forwarded email and it's used as evidence that Podesta is a pedophile. An email that, quite frankly, reads like it's mocking the situating "Denny" is in. Podesta doesn't even bother to respond.
Mike Pence actually goes out of his way to defend the same pedophile after he deliberately mishandled another sexual abuse scandal involving teenagers. And we get crickets.
Tony is good friends with serial child molester Dennis Hastert
there are hundreds of people that are/were friends with Dennis Hastert. it doesn't mean anything, nor does an interest in unconventional art.
Bill Clinton is good friends with convicted child trafficker and pedo Jeffrey Epstein
so is Donald Trump, and hundreds of other people. again, it doesn't mean anything. Trump frequented Epstein's fantasy island like Clinton, but there are no accusations against him.
I don't know how elites being friend with other elites is eyebrow-raising.
They use art as not only a way to laundry money, but as a symbol and the art is very telling what this man is into. Signs and symbols rule the world. I know for a fact this is how they do this, Check out Darin Vance from WA. He was just convicted, took only five years. This is how they communicate thru visual, borderline criminal content that is hard to bring justice to.
Okay, think advertising for something illegal. You want to get the word out and your IQ is over 115. You still want to look like a great citizen who is just smart? On top of that, Art Museums get HUGE tax relief and it is easy for money laundering AND it is used to advertise they're specific fetishes, while making YOU The unaware feel like you don't understand specific tastes and undermine your inability to understand the psychopathic mind.
there is however reasonable evidence for the use of coded language. The accused has never once addressed this, been asked by the media about this, or tried to explain himself. Being emailed to ask if you wanted your used handkerchief with a 'pizza map' on it returned is not normal, and it deserves scrutiny.
It was sent by Susan Sandler, of the Sandler Foundation (major donor to the DNC).
Her exact phrasing was "The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yorus (sic)? They can send it if you want."
Absolutely bizarre, yet no one has ever asked Podesta to explain it, nor any of the other questionable emails.
Because he has been widely implicated in a political pedophile/trafficking ring and accused of using pedophile codewords. If you were accused of such a thing and could easily explain yourself, why wouldn't you?
If you replaced handkerchief with keyring or mobile phone it would still be strange.
Who emails someone to tell them they left a hanky behind and do they want it returned? What is a pizza related map and why was it on the handkerchief? Why is this mentioned in the email as if it is significant?
But as you just said Podesta didn't use the alleged code, it was Susan.
Because he has been widely implicated in a political pedophile/trafficking ring and accused of using pedophile codewords.
So where is the evidence he has to answer? If there is evidence of a crime he should absolutely be held accountable
If you were accused of such a thing and could easily explain yourself, why wouldn't you?
Because acknowledging such ridiculous claims can only be damaging.
If you replaced handkerchief with keyring or mobile phone it would still be strange.
I don't agree.
Who emails someone to tell them they left a hanky behind and do they want it returned? What is a pizza related map and why was it on the handkerchief? Why is this mentioned in the email as if it is significant?
As you said Susan Sandler emailed him to tell him about the handkerchief. Although actually it was Kathryn Tate the realtor who first mentioned the handkerchief. Because she is in the business of selling homes and wants to return property to people viewing her homes for sale - like a professional.
See the thing is when a case like that is settled in court or outside of court, there is usually a clause which seals the evidence. You know how it works.
Was Dylan sexually assaulted by James in the Comet Pizza kitchen? I will possibly never know unless I ask Carole or Dylan in person. But that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Events seem to suggest that something did happen, like Carole leaving behind both restaurants she made popular (Bucks and Comet) due to "pressing family matters".
Some researchers have got very close to the kind of smoking gun evidence that would make you happy, why not continue where they left off? Just imagine, you could debunk this once and for all and be a hero!
The two topics are pretty closely related, and there has always been bleed-over between Hollywood and the political world. Assuming Pedogate and Pizzagate are true, there are undoubtedly predators and victims who have one foot in both.
You're the one who made the claim that pizzagate is complete fiction and now you want me to do the legwork for you in building and structuring your argument. Hard pass.
I'm not saying pizzagate is confirmed real. I am very aware that the evidence for it is all circumstantial. Saying "there are other explanations for this or that" is all fine and good, and imo necessary, but it is not disproving something. Political figures around the world have been involved in human trafficking/pedophile rings before, and been involved in the coverups. I don't understand why the mere idea that there might be a pedophile ring in the US involving some politicians is so outrageous to some people.
You're the one who made the claim that pizzagate is complete fiction and now you want me to do the legwork for you in building and structuring your argument. Hard pass.
That's how the burden of proof works.
I don't understand why the mere idea that there might be a pedophile ring in the US involving some politicians is so outrageous to some people.
Because the nonsense of Pizzagate wants to adopt other cases of proven pedophilia under its own umbrella of nothingness.
nothing wierd about James Alefantis visitng the white house the day before and the day after sandy hook... Nothing weird about a pizza shop owner being listed as one of the 40 most powerful people in washington DC. Nothing weird with his connections to the Rothschilds...
Speculation regarding the seemingly shady however largely circumstantial evidence of Pizzagate aside, some of the more compelling examples of pedophilia and perhaps worse by those in positions of power:
And Franklin Scandal victim Paul Bonacci stated that Lawrence King's pedo-ring was operated out of Fort Offutt. Bonacci said they knew LK at the guard gate, and waved him through without ID.
Dutroux victims pointed the original investigators (who were removed) at Belgium's NATO headquarters.
Australian elite-pedo whistleblower Fiona Barnett (now missing as of late 2017) said she was a child sex slave on U.S. military bases.
It's a disturbing but fascinating account of a young runaway who became a prostitute and had multiple encounters with law enforcement, military, businessman, cults, gangs, and talks about underground military bases. It could all be BS but it was pretty detailed and I don't see why anyone would make all that up.
The name Arun Rao is connected through James Alefantis’ Instagram. He works for the DOJ and he is also responsible for prosecuting human traffickers. Many people have accurately pointed out between Arun Rao and Andrew Kline, this may be the most significant incident of the ‘fox guarding the hen house’ we have ever seen.
The isgp article Beyond the Dutroux Affair is the single best source on the topic I have ever seen on the internet. Since the last time I looked at it one of the update captions is:
Deconstructing the “dominoes on cheese/pasta phrase using the Podesta emails:
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So the dominoes on cheese than on pasta phrase is frequently cited as if it’s an example of some pedo code. Podesta didn’t even write that email he just received it. But with some context, which I’ve provided, it seems like a joke from an old man, Herbert Sandler. Which it is.
They were vacation buddies on Martha’s Vineyard who would play dominoes together, hence the reference to playing dominoes. The “cheese or pasta” refers to Christmas presents Podesta sent Sandler
Here’s the full email:
On Thursday, December 24, 2015, Sandler, Herbert wrote:
Mary and John
I think you should give notice when changing strategies which have been
long in place. I immediately realized something was different by the shape
of the box and I contemplated who would be sending me something in the
square shaped box. Lo and behold, instead of pasta and wonderful sauces, it
was a lovely, tempting assortment of cheeses, Yummy. I am awaiting the
return of my children and grandchildren from their holiday travels so that
we can demolish them.
Thank you so much. I hope you and your gang are well.
I miss you both
Best wishes fro a merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
Herb
Ps. Do you think I’ll do better playing dominos on cheese than on pasta?
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There are precious references before this email to Sandler and Podesta playing dominos on vacation together in the Podesta emails:
I've rented a house in the Vineyard Haven area of Martha's Vineyard, arriving Saturday, August 23, departing September 2. Susan and Steve and a friend of the family from Hawaii, Sherry Broder will be joining us. We have a couple of extra bedrooms. You and Mary can join us for all or part of the 10 days we'll be there.
We have rented the same house on Martha's Vineyard as last year, from July 5 to the 12th. Would you like to join us for the week or some portion thereof? Please advise.
That’s how we know they vacationed together on Martha’s Vineyard
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From this email, July 2015 (the dates above established as when Sadler is in Martha’s Vineyard)
I just received the holiday package of pasta and sauce. If only I could make it turn out as special as you guys do.
That’s how we know he has gifted Sandler pasta the year before
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the original email I quoted says
Lo and behold, instead of pasta and wonderful sauces, it was a lovely, tempting assortment of cheeses,
So instead of getting pasta like he had the last year, he got cheeses this year.
The joke is “do you think I’ll play dominoes better (remember, he got “whipped” on his last vacation) having ate the cheese you gifted me this year rather than the pasta you gifted me last year?”
I know, right! That was one of the things that made me realise there's actually something real fucky with it all. At first I was just thinking that it was a money laundering operation... But that's only part of it. Why would anyone launder money unless they were selling something illegal. But "drugs" just didn't fit the bill.
With all due respect, how is it spam? The “dominoes on cheese or on pasta” has been cited as “evidence” regarding Pizzagate in threads such as this one
I provided context using primary sources, about a phrase that is commonly cited regarding pizzagate. Was the issue that it’s been posted before? What rule is that a violation of?
That's the kind of red pill we want to see at the top of this thread, not a debunk. The debunks are fine, just not as the authoritative top comment for an entire round table discussion. You do know how top comments can be authoritative right?
Why would you not want to see a debunk at the top of a round table discussion? Do you just want to speculate wildly with no regard for alternate viewpoints?
Didn't I just explain that? Top comment is the representative for the entire thread. It's just the way Reddit works because it's a linear forum. We don't need a debunk representing the entire thread, it doesn't make sense and doesn't promote discussion or debate.
I actually agree with the debunk, but I don't think it should be the top comment because it creates a false consensus that "this conversation is over" or "everyone thinks this is BS so I shouldn't read further", when in fact it is a complex topic with several avenues of discussion and tons of loose ends still.
And because TMOR is behind the up voting on it, and also stirring up drama to distract from the conversation, their activities in this sub should be nullified by any means. They are deliberately trying to make conspiracy research look misguided and irresponsible.
I really kinda consider most of your "work" to be "spam" to be perfectly honest Joey.
I see you riding to the top on the fast track with a doc that probably took at least 2 people an hour to put together...1hr in to our round table. And you see Joey, I see a problem there. The math doesn't work. The math never works with you guys that come in here with your anti-conspiracy garbage.
I would reevaluate my life, my goals, my duty as a human? That is what I would do if I were you. Because we are going to have this here conversation buddy.
Would you say the same thing about this post, which has an even greater amount of links aggregated, posted at a similar time?
What’s wrong with providing context to a statement that has been, when stripped of context, made out to be part of “pedo code” but makes sense with the context?
and I still don’t understand what rule I broke? can mods remove comments without citing a rule? /u/axolotl_peyotl, you’d know better than me, is this allowed?
I think it's more so the fact that we don't really need the top comment in a thread (especially a stickied round table thread) to be a debunk of some kind. I don't mind the debunks and if it's about what I think it is then you're probably right, but the problem is when your debunk shoots to the top (seems fishy, mostly TMOR would up vote something like this) and makes the rest of the thread less attractive by nature. It's called forum sliding, whether intentional or not. Maybe just repost the debunk now that it's not going to be the top comment.
His comment was removed for spam, not forum sliding/brigading. So according to the mods, posting the full extent of the Podesta emails is now spam. Make of that what you will.
Read the followup be the mods. He is literally being told everything he post is spam. If the mods deem what you post the be in bad faith, they can delete it as spam on a whim. everything.
Also is reeks of gate keeping. Post anything arguing against the premise of the post, leave.
"I would reevaluate my life, my goals, my duty as a human? That is what I would do if I were you" great response from a mod right?
There is no easy way to moderate a forum like this. It's a double edge sword because eventually you have to be the authority on something, basically the opposite of what we're trying to do here by getting others to think for themselves. Eventually the power structure running this sub becomes the very monster they were once fighting against. No easy way around that. But you've just gotta draw a line somewhere, or else the whole thing becomes a shit show.
I'd say they handled it alright, but could have been a bit more clear.
People just need to know this sub is under fire constantly by mischief makers. It's nearly impossible to sort the good intentions from the bad intentions sometimes. So a line just has to be drawn. Joey will survive, everything will be OK. He should just repost his comment like I said.
If nothing changed except the mods comments in this thread I would feel better. But they are just so antagonistic and aggressive, it comes across almost childish. Like it not healthy for the sub in the long run, I think.
Well what bothers me is that they make a rule against calling someone a shill, yet behind closed doors they are categorizing who they think are shills.
I've been called a sockpuppet nadthe problem with the sub by mod in this thread. I've done nothing but disagree with his style of moderating. Rules absolute does not get applied to the mods or who the mods agree with.
You have to look at the bigger, bigger picture though.
This sub is still doing alright. Conspiracy theories are still being discussed with enthusiasm. People are being red pilled and waking up. That's great! That's all I really want from a sub like this.
There are going to be innocent bystanders hit by a stray bullet. Hopefully they will recognize it's just water under the bridge.
It's an obstacle, but you need to realize fairness is subjective and nobody is perfect. Spend enough time here and it becomes a nonissue. It's the most diverse place I've found, where the members have enough trust to talk to one another about any idea with an open mind, but enough distrust to avoid falling into a hive mind mechanic.
Politics are the damn Holy Grail of conspiracy. Of course that's where all the action is :D I usually just try to learn new things from the comments (skip over the drama), or drop some knowledge I already have about the topic and move on. The biggest distraction here is the drama that plays out from name calling.
There used to be a mod here TheGhostOfDusty. I was super suspicious of his behavior. He always wanted to enforce the rules strictly and fairly between everyone. He always had problems with one thing or another. He hated seeing any discussion about Pizzagate. He always caused drama about things. He was fucking full of himself, and now here he is acting in bad faith like our worst enemy, playing for team TMOR and making a whole bunch of drama out of this thread in an attempt to smear the mods and get back at them because he still has an axe to grind:
Hopefully that puts a few things in perspective. It's an ongoing battle. Some switch sides. But the true nature of the sub is still here, red pills are being dished out, so I can't really complain who comes and goes as moderator. My own power is expressed through sheer research and not having to deal with drama. I'd rather research than deal with drama. The mods don't have an easy job especially when ego gets in the way, and let's be honest we all have an ego hiding somewhere.
So? I would have hated his moderating, it sounds terrible. Posting Pizzagate on a conspiracy forum makes perfect sense, I just happen to not believe it.
After all this back and forth, you still assume I don't like the moderation because of partisan reasons. I specifically said I wanted mods the abstain from that sort of behavior.
Dusty was the "ideal mod" in most people's minds, but it didn't work out.
We also had a really great mod here Orangutan who was kicked out for having financial ties to a 9/11 movement. But he was an excellent mod.
What I'm saying is, everyone's different and each person brings along their demons and convictions. We've had two "ideal" moderators who didn't last, and perhaps for good reason. It's probably for the best that things keep flowing and chairs keep changing.
I never said they would be "ideal", stop implying that. You bring up mods I don't know as if I suggested they were good examples of impartial mods. Dusty sounds like a biased powertripper and Orangutan had i financial tie that disqualified him. I feel ok with both of them being de-modded.
Everyone brings their own biases, but I would hope they don't apply them to their modding decisions. Right now, I can't say that at all.
I said they were ideal to a lot of people. I bring them up because they should have been the star mods who appeal to everyone, but they weren't. The point being, there is no mod who is fit for everyone. You may find yourself in a situation where you think a mod fulfills all of your ideals, but chances are, they are pissing someone else off at the same time. Orangutan for example.
I've sometimes thought I would make a great mod here, until I realized people can and will find any reason to question your authoritative actions, and from there, it becomes a game of wit and ego. I'd rather not get dragged into that when I'm here to research conspiracies not play a part in a soap opera. I'd rather just swing the ban hammer heavy and hard at those people and not look back or care who I pissed off. So I don't think I'd make a good mod, even with all the insight and understanding I have about the nature of it.
All I ask for from a mod is this, dont engage. Do your modding and nothing else. Ban, delete, be harsh, be fair, just dont make it personal. Don't make it about you.
You may feel differently, but I strongly feel the sub would be better if mods just didn't antagonize the people they mod.
This thread should just have been put in contest mode and move on. All the mocking just makes you are target for people outside the sub and distances people not in agreement with you.
You come here in bad faith. You poison threads. You interfere with people's ability to learn and decide for themselves. I'm sick to death of banning all you and your buddies' sock puppets. I want you to leave of your own accord.
Podesta is in the title, how does posting his emails in full not contribute? If you honestly don't believe Podesta rapes kids are you not allowed to discuss?
All Joey does though, is very carefully shit on all conspiracy topics. With miraculous amounts of votes taking him right to the top. It is synthetic consensus. I actually think it is dangerous for me to poke someone like him this hard. I have probably banned 5 or 10 of his alts(conservative estimate) over the last couple years. I'm actually tagging you right now to track on if you are one of his sock puppets. No offense. Just some unknown account poking a mod when he is so obviously out of fucks doesn't make a ton of sense.
I'm not at a PC, I can't really look, how many comments have you made in this sub before now?
I dont know, around 5 I would guess. You can go through my history if you feel suspicious about me, its fine.
Btw, if you truly believe he is avoiding bans and acting in bad faith, by all means keep banning him. I just feel from reading this thread you are in the wrong, thats all.
1 - I talk about conspiracies, I can find examples if you don’t believe me. They may not be the same conspiracies that interest you but they’re conspiracies nonetheless
2 - how is providing context or sources or counter arguments for something “shitting on a conspiracy”?
3 - I’ve never had an alt account, much less an alt account banned.
4 - What makes the upvotes I get “miraculous” or “suspicious”? Why can’t it just be that people agree with me?
5 - why did you dodge my question about the other post, with even more aggregated links, being allowed to stay up?
Yeah I don't want you to get shitty PMs, so this doesn't really change my perspective of you blowing me up for no reason.
You have a lot more sway with people in this sub than me, I never really post here. So it kind of felt like you are setting the dogs on me with that type of comment.
To me it looked like you had that comment ready to go for this thread or whenever someone asked about PizzaGate. You've copy-pasted before and it seems unnecessary. Copy-pasting comments as a reply to a comment or thread makes what you have to say look less genuine.
My comment itself was relevant to PizzaGate, I used the Podesta emails to show how the “dominoes on pasta” email makes sense with context. It’s relevant to the topic at hand, yeah? I’d posted it before, but I posted it here because I thought it would add to the discussion. It’s a collection of primary sources, it’s not like there’s anything to rephrase. I wasn’t really trying to “say anything” with my own voice, per se, I just compiled some of the emails to tell their own story
I don't agree with the removal of your comment, and not entirely with the comment itself either. Regardless, your comment appears to have been re-approved since. Though it's worth noting, if all or the majority your posts to a given forum or subreddit are entirely or nearly entirely in opposition of said forum or subreddit, it shouldn't be surprising you would receive greater scrutiny as a result. I'm not saying that's right, just the way nearly every forum and sub operates, more or less. I try to be as impartial as humanly possible, personally, when I moderate, and understand that's not as easy for most to do instinctually. Perhaps one of the worst examples of biased moderation are /r/worldnews, /r/politics, and /r/The_Donald, where users are routinely banned without reason for having an unpopular opinion, or simply because the mods disagree with the user's point of view, in spite of no rule violation being present.
The sidebar says this sub is for discussion. Presenting an argument and debunking it are both part of a discussion. That's why even mods here spend time/energy debunking conspiracy theories (e.g. Russia-Trump related ones).
It's worth remembering that so much of the "evidence" for Pizzagate consists of out of context snippets of emails that were hacked and dumped by Russian intelligence.
I know you don't want to hear this (and you'll probably think I'm some sort of troll, rather than a middle aged New Englander and mother), but this is the way people my age (50s-60s) write, socially.
Yes, it is. It's idiomatically correct, complete with weekends 'at the farm' and 'being entertained by the grandkids in the pool'. It's the way a certain slice of polite society writes, semi-formally.
I enjoy Reddit and find this sub fascinating at times, and I'm not commenting on the broader topic here. But regarding these emails: you have this piece (at least) wrong. This is, in fact, the way socially well connected, good friends communicate.
I don’t think we’re disagreeing! I’m trying to argue that this exchange is just an innocuous set of emails friends sent each other back and forth and nothing else!
It is the one piece that I do wish people would drop, or at least de-emphasize. Many media people would be baffled by these types of emails trotted out as evidence of some heinous crime.
(It's the inversion of us older people thinking anything posted on 4chan is from a Russian hacker. It's eye roll inducing and lowers the credibility of anything else said.)
Thank you for this. I honestly believe that some of the people that harp on what is said in some of those emails have ZERO clue on how some people speak to each other. In life it is important to be able to discern. Some around here don’t have that gift.
IMO, this is the weakest part of the pizzagate 'evidence'
The 'real meanings' of these 'codes' were just a random image post on 4chan, nothing backing them up.
The real sort of 'damning' thing that I've never really seen an adequate explanation for is James Alefetanis' instagram profile. Some real eye-brow raising stuff on there, with ACTUAL pedo-slang. No one has ever really explained why his insta profile picture is Antinous.
Also, Alefetanis has showed up on 4chan and threatened a pizzagate researcher with veiled threats of grievous bodily harm.
I've dug so deep into this shit, and once you do, you realize 'pizzagate' is a bad term, because it makes people think, 'oh yah, children in a hidden basement in a pizza parlor, riiiiight' But the real issue is political pedophilia, which has been shown time and time again, in court documents no less, to exist. Once you understand the profile of a psychopath, you can begin to understand how most people in high positions of power ARE psychopaths; from there, it makes sense that they'd get off on 'the destruction of something innocent', as it's the most transgressive thing ever and THEY can do it, also because it's the ultimate feeling of being God. These people don't experience empathy, compassion, fear, anxiety...they can only feel 'power'.
TL;DR - political pedophilia is real, 'pizzagate' is kind of a misnomer for what this investigation has become.
one hundred percent this. and to understand that the lefts hard push for sexual acceptance also includes that of pedophilia, and that this issue is global and not just within the usa. in the uk for example is career politician over here Harriet Harman actually put her name on a legal document supporting a group known as PIE(Pedophile information exchange) who supported relationships between pedophiles and young male adolescents claiming: “Paedophiles are ordinary, decent, sensible human beings, no more sexually depraved than yourself, and with a capacity for loving and helping children which is at present being repressed.”
If you, or I, were to go to work tomorrow and even suggest that we supported such views we would be fired and persecuted by those amongst us. However, for politicians this isn't damning? It shows how rife it.
Is this ancient wealth retaining ancient customs ala the ancient greeks and their boy-loving ways? #pedocracy
The only reason Pizza has any connection to pedogate is that on 4chan, CP is referred to as Cheese Pizza (CP). To 4channers, pizza is synonymous with CP.
Does anyone find it suspicious that the "facts" of pizzagate are all a republican's wet dream? Hillary Clinton and her campaign manager running an elite sex ring out of a pizza shop along with other DNC heavyweights? Without a single victim having come forward?
Early 1940's vs. late 2010's... nope, no difference there.
People working on a government project which they believe is vital to the interest of the country vs. people fucking/killing/eating children... nope, no difference there, either.
You should watch the Netflix documentary Who Took Johnny?. It kind of touches on how deep the conspiracy can go through a power structure, and how difficult it is to find witnesses, and to even believe them when they tell their story. The documentary FYI follows the story of one abductee and survivor, from childhood to when he escaped and came forward in adulthood.
Not really. Not when they have dirt on everyone or means to create it for the few righteous police or politicians. Or just threaten family or blow up their car - Michael Hastings.
Not that weird. The Kelly girls thing is so sick. Trying to get a copy of one autobiography of a woman who was victim to Bob Hope and loaned out to Kissinger and Bush she says. Nightmares reading such things but we owe her courage as many witnesses as we can.
I also got Moira Greyland's new book. So horrid to see the Sci fi/fantasy authors of the 80s and 90s had such an evil rot within and a "feminist" author abusing her daughter and children. Sick sick sick
Craig Spence hosted parties that provided any kind of sex his guests wanted, including with children. Although he was certainly hiring the services of an adult male prostitution service, he was also a partner of Larry King's pedophile network.
The Washington Times reported that Spence spent $20,000 a month on prostitutes for himself and his associates, and that he had the juice to arrange midnight tours of the White House for himself, his friends, and the “call boys” whose services he leased. Paul Bonacci told Yorkshire Television that he was one of the “call boys” who took a midnight tour, and corroborated that King and Spence were partners in pedophiliac pandering.
A June 30, 1989 Washington Times article, “Power Broker Served Drugs, Sex At Parties Bugged for Blackmail,” revealed that audio and video recording devices were hidden in Spence’s home, and discussed his penchant for blackmail. A month later another article reported that Spence used sexually compromising photographs taken in his home to blackmail an associate.
Spence even told the Washington Times that his home had been bugged by “friendly" intelligence agents, and he continually dropped hints to friends and colleagues that he was freelancing for the CIA. The CIA denied this, but the Washington Times confirmed that Spence was a CIA asset. “We had sources disclose that Spence wasn’t a direct employee,” says Rodriguez. “But he did carry out services for the agency.”
"Call boys" are adult male prostitutes. Don't get hung up on the word "boy". In the gay community, we often use the word "boy" to describe adults, usually under 25. Similar to how "Call girls" in the straight world refers to adult prostitutes. Or do you think "Girls Gone Wild" is a series of pedo flics?
The current republican party hates Trump and consistently makes decisions and moves that further ostracize the chunk of Americans that solidly support Trump. They dragged Bush senior out to make comments about Trump's performance as president and candidate and tried to get Dubya to do the same. Don't forget that Jeb had full establishment backing too.
The leader of the RNC chopped off part of her last name for Emperor Trump.
The speaker of the house refuses to do anything without the express approval of papa trump. Mitch McConnnel? HAH!
You let me know who in the republican party leadership is standing up to Trump. That ship is being run by Trumpists through-and-through. The voices against Trump are marginalized, and not even running for reelection.
They tried until they received public backlash. Obama care? Tax cuts? The wall? They thought America voted in the Republican party. They got on their high horse which the public quickly bucked them off. We voted Trump. Republican party is just a usefull tool at this point and they know it.
BTW in Mitch McConnel's first meeting with Trump he said I don't want to hear anymore talk of draining the swamp. Mitch will be going done, just like Ryan. Either by his own hand or ours.
From your lips to God's ears. Lots of Congress needs to go. Start with the 44ish Dems the #Awanbrothers traded Intel to Pakistan on/with and Ryan, Gowdy - first gotta remove his head stuck up Mueller's ass, Mitch McConnell etc etc. I hate to be that person but God seems to have taken cars of Songbird McCain.
Oh and the Dem who sent Pizzagate investigating Scalise's staff pizzas the day he got shot by Sanders loving child abuser sigh a " mean looking assault weapon". I need to remember his name because that is one disgusting move
It would be very difficult for victims of human trafficking to just come forward, especially if they're very young kids, which they would be in this case; if not toddlers.
Very interesting case. A lot of info was scrubbed. I'm sure you can find some archives/screen shots out there. He posted a picture, but I'm not sure if it's in the thread. I know he 100% posted a picture. He would've had to put in a lot of effort to fake all of this.
The story goes that James Alefantis raped the guy in the AMA, and he also raped Comet Ping Ping Co-Owner Carole Greenwood's son. He apparently raped him in the kitchen. Now I do remember reading an article where Carole's son stayed over in a big house together in Georgetown. I'll have to find that. My point is, they do have a link.
I think the question is, why did Carole Greenwood quit Comet Ping Pong? An article has stated that it was due to family reasons. Did James Alefantis do something to her son?
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Actually I will link you to a victim: I was sexually assaulted 8 years ago by the Pizzagate guy, owner of Comet Ping Pong, James Alefantis AMA!
That person's claims involve them being an adult when sexually harassed. As bad as that might be (given that it's a completely anonymous accusation), it's no where near the accusations of pedophilia, murder, or trafficking.
Furthermore, when people ask for victims, they're not saying to show us victims coming forward. They are asking for evidence that the victims even exist. Were any of the accused behaving strangely right before a child they were involved with disappeared? Was blood found in their freezer? Do people consistently go missing after meeting them? These would be examples of some kind of evidence that the victims even exist.
Pizzagate simply has none of this evidence. Only anonymous accusations. And in the case of the link you sent, not even really "pizzagate"-related, since they were not a minor, and weren't trafficked or murdered. Like I said earlier, not excusing that behavior if it's actually true, but it hardly supports your claim that pizzagate victims exist.
That person's claims involve them being an adult when sexually harassed. As bad as that might be (given that it's a completely anonymous accusation), it's no where near the accusations of pedophilia, murder, or trafficking.
It means that if he has raped a young boy/man like the AMA alleges, then he is obviously more likely to rape/have already raped more young boys/men. Also how is it anonymous if he showed his face? He was verified by the moderators.
Furthermore, when people ask for victims, they're not saying to show us victims coming forward. They are asking for evidence that the victims even exist. Were any of the accused behaving strangely right before a child they were involved with disappeared? Was blood found in their freezer? Do people consistently go missing after meeting them? These would be examples of some kind of evidence that the victims even exist.
What are you talking about? When people ask for victims, they are absolutely asking for victims to come forward. Evidence that victims even exist? Did the pictures of toddlers with black/purple bags under their eyes (due to sleep deprivation in my opinion) not do it for you? The child chewing on Euros.
Actually since you want a bit more evidence than what I've already described, I'll link you a video from 2007. Washington neighborhood commissioner Frank Winstead staged a nighttime surveillance of a Northwest pizza place and put the resulting video up on YouTube -- In the background of this video, you can hear a young girl yelling for help! The couple walking by is confusingly turned around by the sound, as it is coming from Comet Ping Pong! It is NOT any of the children walking with the family, it is coming from Comet Ping Pong. It may even be coming from the sewer manhole... It is not a child "horsing around".
Frank Winstead had no idea what he captured. He was filming because he had a lot of bones to pick with Comet Ping Pong, one of them being Comet's wish to stay open until 3AM. Frank thought it would attract crime to the area.
In 2008, ANC Commissioner Frank Winstead accused the owner of Comet Ping Pong, James Alefantis, of "seeking to turn the quiet stretch of Connecticut Avenue in Forest Hills into a haven for rape and murder." During the course of the meeting, Winstead accused Comet owner James Alefantis of lying, cheating, stealing, spitting in a customers food, and encouraging both murderers and rapists.
Australian elite-pedo victim Fiona Barnett, who was born into a pedo-ring run by a U.S. military network, said that the U.S. military breeds their own children for sex, slavery & sacrifice. The Finders were transporting children who had "never seen running water, television or electricity."
Fiona Barnett has been almost 100% ignored by this subreddit. She was loud & vocal for years, had her own podcast & website, and then she went missing in late 2017.
As of May 3, I guarantee you will find thousands of Pizzagate posts in a search of this subreddit. I guarantee you will find a couple dozen posts about Fiona Barnett maximum. Until later this week, so Reddit can cover their tracks. Fiona Barnett: A recently living witness who couldn't get the time of day from r/conspiracy. Maybe because she had no weaponized partisan political value?
Maybe also because she dared blame the U.S. military, with its vast budget & international resources? And every pre-Pizzagate pedo-ring scandal supports that conclusion? Meanwhile it looks like I'm supposed to pay more attention to a Pizza shop who flaunt pedo symbols, than to the multi-trillion-dollar Pentagon. Alefantis wants you to notice, but with no victims who will prosecute (unlike Franklin, Fiona or Dutroux, all with military connections).
I'm not sure what the "original report" would be, let alone where to find it. I think the guy I linked was replying to someone who uploaded some documents or something. Or you can submit a FOIA request, like they did. But I'm not sure what a report like this would say. I don't think there's much meaningful information that can be recorded (other than the allegations) when there's no witnesses of a crime (or victims).
Generally speaking, police investigate crimes, not people. It can get really murky, civil rights-wise, if police go around shaking people down for little/no reason. Without evidence of a crime, like a witness or a crime scene to pin on a suspect, there's not much for them to go on.
I've suggested in the past that pizzagaters hire a personal investigator, but I've never seen anything come of it. However, after researching the evidence/accusations myself, I'm not even sure any investigator would take the job (since I don't think the clients would be too happy with the results). The "evidence" Pizzagaters are going on basically boils down to accusations and speculation, mixed in with a hefty dose of lies/misleading information. And anybody who disagrees with them opens themselves up to personally targeted attacks, which I see happen all the time.
Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary ‘attack the messenger’ ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as ‘kooks’, ‘right-wing’, ‘liberal’, ‘left-wing’, ‘terrorists’, ‘conspiracy buffs’, ‘radicals’, ‘militia’, ‘racists’, ‘religious fanatics’, ‘sexual deviates’, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.
Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.
Will you promise to use all of the other disinformation tactics during your AMA? You're doing such a good job demonstrating them here.
The AMA was removed because after further inspection of the proof, it wasn't up to our standards. Once he has better proof, we'll be happy to let him repost it.
Australian elite-pedo victim Fiona Barnett, who was born into a pedo-ring run by a U.S. military network, said that the U.S. military breeds their own children for sex, slavery & sacrifice. The Finders were transporting children who had "never seen running water, television or electricity."
Fiona Barnett has been almost 100% ignored by this subreddit. She was loud & vocal for years, had her own podcast & website, and then she went missing in late 2017.
As of May 3, I guarantee you will find thousands of Pizzagate posts in a search of this subreddit. I guarantee you will find a couple dozen posts about Fiona Barnett maximum. Fiona Barnett: A recently living witness who couldn't get the time of day from r/conspiracy. Maybe because she had no weaponized partisan political value?
Maybe also because she dared blame the U.S. military, with its vast budget & international resources? And every pre-Pizzagate pedo-ring scandal supports that conclusion? Meanwhile it looks like I'm supposed to pay more attention to a Pizza shop who flaunt pedo symbols, than to the multi-trillion-dollar Pentagon. Alefantis wants you to notice, but with no victims (unlike Franklin, Fiona or Dutroux, all with military connections).
Australian elite-pedo victim Fiona Barnett, who was born into a pedo-ring run by a U.S. military network, said that the U.S. military breeds their own children for sex, slavery & sacrifice. The Finders were transporting children who had "never seen running water, television or electricity."
Fiona Barnett has been almost 100% ignored by this subreddit. She was loud & vocal for years, had her own podcast & website, and then she went missing in late 2017.
As of May 3, I guarantee you will find thousands of Pizzagate posts in a search of this subreddit. I guarantee you will find a couple dozen posts about Fiona Barnett maximum. Until later this week, so Reddit can cover their tracks. Fiona Barnett: A recently living witness who couldn't get the time of day from r/conspiracy. Maybe because she had no weaponized partisan political value?
Maybe also because she dared blame the U.S. military, with its vast budget & international resources? And every pre-Pizzagate pedo-ring scandal supports that conclusion? Meanwhile it looks like I'm supposed to pay more attention to a Pizza shop who flaunt pedo symbols, than to the multi-trillion-dollar Pentagon. Alefantis wants you to notice, but with no victims who will prosecute (unlike Franklin, Fiona or Dutroux, all with military connections).
Never heard of this case. Thanks I am going to research it. I hope she is ok.
I check new mostly all the time on this sub but for whatever reason never saw this. I do get overwhelmed being a survivor of family abuse as a kid and take several weeks breaks or more.
But The term "Pizzagate" is derived from the term "pizza" that is frequently found on odd context throughout the Podesta emails, not the comet ping pong connection.
There are many significant and explosive U.S. and world pedo events involving current in-office leaders (across the political spectrum). But I never see them posted here.
I refuse to post them because Reddit is a potential military/intelligence propaganda wet dream, mods are unelected & unaccountable, and even this thread is being manipulated.
Moreover, as I wrote in this thread in a now-hidden comment, the Military-Industrial-Pedo Complex (as Eisenhower should have called it) is way bigger than a Pizza Shop or the Clinton Foundation. CF has $250 million, and the Pentagon has famously "lost" trillions. Why wouldn't the military love a decoy Clinton scandal? According to Fiona Barnett, the U.S. military breeds their own off-the-books children for sex, slavery & sacrifice. Why bother with risky human trafficking? They just breed their own -- which was also suggested by The Finders children who had never seen running water, television or electricity.
Lol I've seen the videos, and they ARE gross...he said there was something scary about posting them...I assumed he meant dealing with shills, but that's not that scary to me. Eat shit
Also note Trump creating the perfect circumstances for child trafficking with their handling of immigrant children.
They are forcing pregnant minors to follow through with unwanted pregnancies and they have separated hundreds of children from their parents. They are placing the children with non-government groups, with little to no documentation for many of te children, and no set plan in place for how and when to reunite children with their parents. Many of these people are undocumented (quite literally) and from third world countries. The have little voice or power and many won't even have a means to prove they had a child with them in the first place.
It's his administrations policy, proposed last year:
Currently, when adults enter the country accompanied by children, they are generally released into the US and able to stay in the country, pending disposition of their cases, the official said.]
The proposal would allow US immigration officials to separate children from the adults they came here with. The adults could be kept in detention, and the children could be moved elsewhere under protected status, possibly with family members already in the country or to state protective custody such as child protective services.
Children removed from their families are taken to shelters run by nongovernmental organizations. There, workers seek to identify a relative or guardian in the United States who can take over the child’s care. But if no such adult is available, the children can languish in custody indefinitely. Operators of these facilities say they are often unable to locate the parents of separated children because the children arrive without proper records.
Once a child has entered the shelter system, there is no firm process to determine whether they have been separated from someone who was legitimately their parent, or for reuniting parents and children who had been mistakenly separated, said a Border Patrol official, who was not authorized to discuss the agency’s policies publicly.
They were being very secretive about it and downplaying prevalence, but it was [recently revealed] that approximately 700 children have been separated from their parents:
Officials have repeatedly declined to provide data on how many families have been separated, but suggested that the number was relatively low.
But new data reviewed by The New York Times shows that more than 700 children have been taken from adults claiming to be their parents since October, including more than 100 children under age 4.
The data was prepared by the Office of Refugee Resettlement, a division of the Department of Health and Human Services that takes custody of children who have been removed from migrant parents. Senior officials at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), which processes migrants at the border, initially denied that the numbers were so high.
I just read an article today in Time magazine about how the Dept who monitors taken immigrant children is missing 1475 out of 1500 who were taken from their families. This is a result of the Health and Human Service Dept. rolling back funding for this program 2 years ago. What's worse is that many believe these children have fallen into human trafficking.
If anyone has any doubts this "conspiracy" isn't 100% partisan, mention something about Trump and Epstein or Epstein and Acosta and watch if you get downvotes or upvotes.
According to that book on the Epstein evils, when Trump found out about Epstein's connections with underage rape stuff, he banned him from Mar-a-lago and his other properties.
> I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it -- Jeffrey enjoys his social life.
Apparently Mar-a-lago has confirmed Epstein is barred. Found the quote from "Filthy Rich" by James Patterson:
That arrangement ended when a (Mar-a-Lago) member’s young daughter complained to her wealthy father: while relaxing at Mar-a-Lago, she’d been approached and invited out to Epstein’s house. “The girl said that she had gone and that Epstein had tried to get her to undress. “The girl’s father had gone directly to Trump, who — in no uncertain terms — told Epstein that he was barred from Mar-a-Lago.”
So Trump knew Epstein for 15+ years and partied with Epstein and knew that Epstein fucked younger girls but was totally oblivious to them being <18? Sorry Charlie, but that doesn't pass the smell test.
Are there any contemporary accounts of the incident? I couldn't find anything other than third-hand accounts after Epstein was already in trouble. James Patterson wrote this like a decade after Epstein's accusers went public and he doesn't cite any sources. The closest I could find was this article written when Epstein was already in some deep shit and it doesn't mention Trump at all (Epstein denied it, by the way).
Regardless, I'm not sure how much this account, if true, helps Trump. It means he was good friends with the guy for decades before another "wealthy" man made a big deal about. Sounds more like Epstein simply picked the wrong girl. The worst is they didn't even file a complaint with any authorities. Doesn't exactly make Trump look like the good guy here.
I can't be sure this story is completely fabricated, but I think it's fair to say that had this information been about Podesta, pizzagate proponents would probably not brush it off as readily.
Pizzagate goes on both sides of the political isle. “Hillary Clinton and her campaign manager running an elite sex ring out of a pizza shop along with other DNC heavyweights” is disinformation. NXIVM is part of the “elite sex ring” without a doubt. Allison Mack is singing like a bird and she is just the tip of the iceberg. This is a global problem and it’s a global network.
Idk if you know about it but /r/greatawakening would love your work. I know you’ve been doing this since the beginning, and it’s all good work. Apparently we’re getting close.
There is nothing incorrect about the fact and Reneir is also indited on the same case. Him sleeping with children in the past is definitely a correlation worth mentioning.
RecoveringGrace is making a fair assessment and you aren't fooling anyone but yourself and maybe that other pedo lover JaimeLesEnfants.
I see how you guys pivot from one topic to another, defending, defending, denying, denying.
Don't you care that kids are being taken advantage of? Don't you care that those kids might have been under the age of 13 even? I said might, asshole. Do you care? Or do you not give a flying fuck, until Oprah comes on your mother's TV to tell her about how horrible it was that this cult took advantage of these 13 year olds? And then you still don't care right?
Has it ever occurred to you that you might be part of the denialism that helps perpetuate this disgusting problem?
the kids might be under the age of 99. I said might asshole.
update the syntax, Oprah references aren't relevant any longer
you might be part of the denialism that helps perpetuate this disgusting problem?
there have been no verifiable ages of the parties Allison Mack abused. Or would you like to stop blowing smoke and start providing any verifiable proof of Allison Mack's victims.
The showboating is just that - you're a blowhard with an agenda
I'm not sure about the ages of the victims Mack recruited because of the ambiguity of the charges, but Keith Raniere has had serious accusations of pedophilia in the past:
There will be dismissals and controversy in this topic. Expect red herring political smokescreens with partisan lies and ridicule. Go beyond. Pizza toppings are just theories. Be more selective with your conspiracy here people. The monsters don't want to be found and a real story lurks in the networks beneath.
For the deniers, lets start with the undeniable monsters. Jimmy Saville. Mark Dutroux. Shocking and disturbing. The facts are chilling. But isn't it strange how brazen, boastful and connected they were?
Whilst they imply Royal associations the tentacles go beyond elite Hapsburg bloodlines. The Michael Aquino cases involved military cover-ups. The Franklin Affair was neutered by judges. The Finders torn apart by the media. The point is that establishment rings are the usual suspects for this conspiracy.
So it may be more relevant to ask why than ask who..
So why?
Is it a recipe for Disassociative Identity Disorder? Some macabre twist from MK-Ultra programs to condition the most appalling human programming?
Or is it less weaponised and more trade related? Consider how sheiks are sweetened with bacha bazi dancing boys and there is a pattern in Middle East oil negotiations. Is this some commoditised trade network to do blind eye despot deals on the resource chessboard?
It plausible if you consider the main pizza references emerged after unforeseen leaks of state dept emails after Hilary's email server got gang hacked by spooks.
But then why would so many priests get caught in this controversy? Is there is also some extreme sociopath behaviour that is more prone to corrupt inside these individuals? Or perhaps there is something more sinister and organised in society? Something that penetrates all power institutions? If so what the fuck is that?
I think it makes perfect sense that select, high-ranking government people would be into pedo stuff. A lot of these people get into government because they're narcissists who crave power, a typical trait for narcissists. Another typical trait for narcissists: feeling above the law/morality. Combine a lack of morality with a craving for extreme dominance and control, and you have a recipe for a rapist or pedophile.
It's psychopaths, not narcissists. The dark triad, which is Machavellism, Psychopathy, and Narcissism. People think only serial killers have this, but serial killers are low-functioning psychopaths that got caught. The more adept ones move into positions of power easily.
Holy shit, barely two hours old and everything is being downvoted. This honestly just leads more credence to the idea that there are groups specifically targetting pizzagate threads, never seen anywhere close to this many downvotes in other round tables
Ah. Another "genius" from TMOR. What's amusing, to me at least, is I'm not alt-right, nor a Trump supporter. On the contrary, I'm a democratic socialist and civil libertarian, if you were to label or approximate my political leanings.
As for Trump, I consider him a fraud, a charlatan, a troll, and puppet, a puppet of Wall Street, Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Ag, the global elite, and the very "deep state" or military-industrial complex he selectively pretends to be at odds with for the sake of political theater and foremost political gain.
Defending pedophilia is not at all similar to denying unproved, wild fantasies.
It is when you accuse other of being guilty of what we're opposed to, and trying to raise awareness of, because people like you would rather sweep it under the rug and allow children to be molested.
In fact, I think the biggest proponents of pizzagate are the ones obsessed with kid fucking. Pizzagate is a partisan cult concoction.
I wasn't referring to "Pizzagate" which I am equally skeptical of, however doubt the majority here are guilty of what you claim, objectively. It's illogical to assume so, at best.
As far as Pizzagate being partisan, there are certainly partisan undertones to it for some, and a number of those who apolitical who subscribe to the theory. I'm more inclined to expose actual pedophiles in the hope that they are brought to justice.
Maybe if every single pedo thread wasn't propaganda and lies I wouldn't have to ask people to stop posting BS without backing up. You're so mad. Just come up something that isn't partisan hackery and you won't feel so easily "derailed." Derailed is just code for "not joined with a circle jerk of unchecked agreement."
You are either a callous jerk or nefarious. Imagine that some of us have been abused as kids and would so anything we could to save rhese kods who somehow have endured things I could never have imagine.
It's obvious - just like how the PG sub was removed from reddit within a few days of it popping up, just like PG videos have been wiped from Youtube, just like journalists who have been covering this have been censored and their videos demonetized - it's sytematic on a scale i haven't seen before.
What drives me crazy about you PedoGate nuts is that you don't believe a word that the government says except when it comes to this topic, and then you not only believe that they're 100% telling the truth, you think that it's even bigger than they say. You don't believe what the government says about the War on Drugs or the War on Terror, do you? So why do you believe everything that the government says about their War on Prostitution?
The government is arresting people for prostitution and calling it "sex trafficking." There is no "sex trafficking" and there is certainly no "child sex trafficking" in the U.S. but the PG nuts buy into everything that the government says.
The whole "pedo-blackmail" issue is so ridiculous that it drives me crazy that you nuts push it so much. Why do you think people would go to such trouble when it's much easier to just bribe people with money and power? The cult you mentioned is just that--a cult. Cults do weird things and so do religions. But there is no "sex trafficking" in America and there sure as hell are no "child sex rings" here. It's difficult to find adult prostitutes online and it's nearly impossible to find anything that a pedo would be interested in, so how do you people think that these rings are getting together? Every single piece of your "sex trafficking" delusion is either completely blown out of proportion or completely false.
a 13 year old was just rescued near where i live. she was being pimped out of a hotel room around here after being abducted. Its disgusting. you are misinformed.
Why not go a little bit back in time and talk about THE WACO MASACRE all because David Koresh and Co. hacked into the CIA and found out about the sex trafficking that was taking place between the US Goverment with collaboration of the Buffalo Airlines?
Never heard this one before but it's interesting. Sure makes the motive for their very public and very gruesome execution and the Clintons direct oversight of it as well.
Then imagine any victims that might come forward could be shown that as a cautionary tale.
I have put this thread in contest mode due to the high volume of troll traffic. Read deep, think for yourselves. Votes only tell you what others think.
There were more than a few comments complaining about the obvious vote manipulation before this happened. The top voted comment was a troll with about 100 more karma than any other comment and most of the regulars offering good faith comments with links to sources were in the negative.
Changing the rules for one thread but not for all is interesting. Any good conspiracy theorist sees manipulation and wonders whose agenda is being served.
You're "telling" me "he's not like that," which shows me that you think I'll trust anyone based on your word. That's the essence of how propaganda works.
So I get called "paranoid," which is a pejorative and a Rule 10 violation, Mod does not read context, gives me a Rule 10 violation for being a conspiracy theorist on a conspiracy forum.
And let me guess: I was reported for abuse by the guy who called me names. And Mod only issues violations to reports in the queue? Golden irony award.
Have you reported the comment? I don't read every comment in every thread. Today I have mostly worked off the report queue because I've been busy with real life.
I never called you anything i said based on your post structure you SEEM to be and thats my own opinion. Like for example hey buddy I know youre not normally a butthead but today you sure are acting like one :p make sense?
People act like pizzagate is some republican plan to conspire against Hillary, why can't people just look at the facts? It's a fact that the Clinton's been associated with some unsavory people over the years, in particular their closest friends and buisiness partners. Hillary & Bill cofounded the Clinton Foundation with convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein; HRC's closest aide Huma Abedin's husband Anthony Weiner was convicted of sexting a minor; and of course Weinstein who everyone knows about now (and John and Tony Podesta are lesser known examples too). How many of your friends or business partners are convicted pedophiles or serial rapists, and why hasn't Hillary denounced them yet?
I was taught growing up , you are who your friends are...birds of feather...etc.....one thing I’ve realized cause PG, there’s a lot more people who want to bang kids on this planet than I ever could have imagined.
I don't need pedo allegations to make me despise these people.
If these particular players are involved with these crimes, maybe it would push human consciousness past the barrier necessary to overthrow these ghouls.
Personally I find the Podesta stuff pretty incriminating, but the actual pizza place/Alefantis seems like a massive ton of conjecture. Other than a gay guy with a weird sense of humor who takes a lot of pics with his goddaughter, is there any actual evidence?
If he wasn't, why would he have threatened a voat Pizzagate researcher with killing his entire family and "suing his dead body" if he didn't remove one of his posts exposing a property of Alefantis' as a potential trafficking hub, the "Pegasus Museum"?
I'm a bit skeptical of your intentions, and your apparent lack of information as to what happened between Ryan and James.
Ryan filed an actual police report and James was confronted by law enforcement. This actually happened dude.
I see people smearing Ryan all the time, probably out of desperation to cover up that loose end. Alefantis threatening an actual online researcher is a very damning piece of evidence.
Look dude, just because somebody points something out you dont like doesnt mean they have an "agenda". Get a grip.
Anyway, i dont get what that picture is supposed to show. Alefantis' name is nowhere on it, all it shows is that this Ryan guy complained to the police about somebody making terroristic threats. Is there anything that actually shows that police confronted Alefantis about the supposed text message conversation?
So nothing short of a confession from James himself, can convince you that Ryan is telling the truth? Why would he file a fake police report?
If he's faking this thing, than James could sue him for slander or fabrication, correct? Then why hasn't he? My guess is because Ryan's story is true, and that James doesn't want this incident *anywhere* near a courtroom, especially with the circumstantial evidence against him in PG circulating.
Would a full written elaboration on the incident help? My job isn't to convince you, but I hope you can see there's clearly something strange going on here.
Thanks for providing me with the Opportunity to present this piece of the puzzle.
If he's faking this thing, than James could sue him for slander or fabrication, correct?
Anybody can sue anybody for anything. That doesn't mean they would win. He would have to prove that not only was Ryan lying, but also that JA was hurt by those lies. Not an easy thing to do.
All Ryan would have to say is: "I thought it was him, although it could have been a troll." There would be virtually no way to win this kind of case (I challenge you to find a successful similar case of slander/libel). No lawyer would encourage such a waste of resources.
Not to mention that a lot of people are aware of "The Streisand Effect" and would rather avoid drawing attention to a case they probably couldn't win.
Was Alefantis ever actually charged with anything? Is there any evidence at all that police ever approached him about the complaint? Is there a court date pending? Did Ryan drop the charges? What's the resolution to this and how does it prove Ryan's accusation?
Also, the reason as to "why" he would make it up is obvious; is/was his YouTube channel monitized or not? Also, what would Alefantis have to gain by suing for libel aside from people like you just seeing that as more "evidence" of trying to cover something up?
Is there anything that actually shows that police confronted Alefantis about the supposed text message conversation?
There definitely isn't any evidence:
His only proof was screenshots.
He claimed he "tried" to record their conversations twice. One of the times he had a "buddy" next to him and neither of them thought to at least video-record the conversation. The next time, Alefantis gives him a warning before the supposed call, but Ryan still doesn't record the conversation (despite having allegedly been threatened before).
If the FBI really looked into it, why haven't they found anything? Why didn't he ever provide evidence of the report?
If the FBI is "in on it" and/or he were really threatened by Alefantis, why would he continue to sell pizzagate merchandise and vlogging about pizzagate?
It doesn't look like he took the threat very seriously.
I'd seen it before, but didn't really think it was relevant to my points. I have noted in my other comment though that the timestamp of the report proves he reported it after uploading his video.
I guess vlogging on youtube is more important than threats from a man he's accusing of murder. Funny how nothing ever came of the report. His local PD must be in on it, too, and their defending the child rapist thousands of miles away! /s
It's simply beyond belief Ryan wouldn't have mentioned who was making these "terroristic threats" I'm sure if Alefantis knew this was still ongoing he'd have a law suit on his hands.
I'm sure if Alefantis knew this was still ongoing he'd have a law suit on his hands.
I'm not sure about that. I've mentioned that libel lawsuits are pretty difficult to win. Even if he did give the police a name, his defense in a lawsuit could easily be "I thought it was JA, but I could have been wrong/trolled/whatever". How can anyone prove he was lying, rather than wrong?
But even if he prove he lied, JA would still need to show that those videos specifically caused him some kind tangible harm, which is also fairly difficult.
But let's say he did win the lawsuit, that would still do absolutely nothing, zilch, nada, in placating pizzagate believers.
I think it's more likely JA doesn't want to feed the fire by launching a lawsuit that would only bring unwanted attention.
And here's a transcript of the alleged Facebook chat with James Alefantis which if you read it looks like it was written by an idiot.
The screen-captured chat went as follows:
Alefantis: Just the Pegasus video. Figure out how to do it — no waves.
O’Neal: I am a super reasonable guy. You don’t have to scare me like that.
Alefantis: You can keep your kill room shit about the rest of it. Fix this and we are reasonable.
[Alefantis then sent a picture of O’Neail and his mom].
Alefantis: Thanks. Feel ok?
O’Neal: Not really. Just threatened to kill everybody.
Alefantis: No need for all of that.
O’Neal: Deleted the video.
Alefantis: Good. Blame YouTube.
O’Neal: Delete the thread on Voat too?
Alefantis: They are taking things down. I think be more creative. Say you think it’s nothing or something — it’s your culture. CAlm down and think about it first.
O’Neal: Ok.
Alefantis: Let’s look and discuss. This might be ok. Thank you. Let me know when you have calmed a bit.
O’Neal: Give me a week.
Alefantis: Ha. Welcome to my world. Call me quick I’ll be nice this time. I appreciate you taking down.
O’Neal: I’m riding around with somebody. Gimme a minute.
[Alefantis then sent a picture of O’Neal and his girlfried].
Alefantis: Cute
O’Neal: Is that you being nice?
Alefantis: Not yet. So call quick then I can go to bed with less worries.
O’Neal: Mods deleted posts on Voat. 5 minutes.
Alefantis: Ok. What’s mods?
O’Neal: Moderators.
Alefantis: Humm draws attention?
O’Neal: They deleted because my content was removed I guess. Reason: 1 2 3.
Alefantis: Humm. Looks there.
O’Neal: Says deleted. “It looks like you are trying to make money off this.” Link doesn’t work.
Alefantis: That’s on Voat. ?.
O’Neal: About to call.
[At this point O’Neal called Alefantis back and said that “he was nicer” but still assured him he “would die” if he did not pull the video down].
Alefantis: Ok. One more thing this “happened to me.” YOU — created this. You can uncreate.
O’Neal: It’s an interesting subject. Just doing research on a hobby basically. I would never want myself or family to have any harm done because of this.
Alefantis: Meaning — you created it for yourself — you can uncreate. Yeh well it’s good you didn’t end up like Welch — in jail for 35 years. Or everyone who ‘s getting sued. You can find a much more profitable and beneficial hobby.
O’Neal: I mean nothing I did was wrong but wrong or not it’s just not worth it.
Alefantis: Actually lots of what you did is illegal. And punishable. But it’s expensive to sue. So people don’t do it. I can explain it to you someday. There would also be criminal — state charges on some of it. But you would need someone smart enough and connected who wanted to make sure it was enforced. And so far you don’t have that.
O’Neal: Took down the video. You win by a landslide.
Alefantis: So go to sleep. Thank you for that. It’s appreciated. And by the way this story is a pack of lies.
O’Neal: What is it then? Pure garbage?
Alefantis: Yup. I mean that wall is the same wall.
O’Neal: Oh I confirmed that lol.
Alefantis: But what the hell does that mean. And our families deserve to be safe.
O’Neal: No doubt. What y’all building in the room? Why the trenches?
Alefantis: You are too much man. On the edge of total destruction — still curious?
O’Neal: I’m curious for myself. No worries.
Alefantis: FBI liked your videos. So there is something. And. PLUMBING. Have you ever run plumbing?
O’Neal: lol.
Alefantis: To build a room it’s not trenches. Any basic construction moron would see the differ next.
O’Neal: So the kill room stuff was just a joke?
Alefantis: Difference
O’Neal: IDK about that stuff.
Alefantis: Ugh.
O’Neal: Sorry sorry I’ll stop.
Alefantis: You don’t know what. It’s a freaky room.
O’Neal: Construction.
Alefantis: that’s why people put shit on Instagram.
[Alefantis then texted a photo of an old job in which O’Neal worked on]
Alefantis: You never moved pipes I guess. You are a decorator.
O’Neal: I designed a few bars. You like? You’re quite the designer.
Alefantis: One more thing. If one of these assholes gets near my mom or her house that’s it for you. That’s bethesda fellows is driving over tomororen. I’m sure nothing will happen but if it does.
O’Neal: They’ve been talking about Pegasus for awhile.
Alefantis: Everything they say about me is true. Except I don’t like kids. At all. You should soon take all your shit down. Busted for profiteering.
O’Neal: Will do.
Alefantis: Night.
O’Neal: Goodnight. Take it down now or later?
Alefantis: It’s your culture.
O’Neal: heard.
Alefantis: Maybe all. Prob best. Disappear. Profiteer gone. I’m going to protect my family now. Now or soon.
O’Neal: Will do.
Alefantis: And I don’t really want to hear about you again from anyone. Night Ryan.
O’Neal: I’m telling you I’m done. Way too real.
Alefantis: Cute gf.
O’Neal: Thanks man.
Alefantis: Lucky boy. Keep your Voat profile though. Xo.
[Alifantis then sent a few emoticons: Two ping pong paddles, kissy lips, painted nails, and some money].
The guy that started the rumour runs www.pizzagategear.com and is trying to make money off it.
This sounds like more of an opinion of yours, than fact.
Do you have any actual evidence to support this claim? I understand Ryan runs Pizzagategear.com, I've spoken with him on a few occasions.
Did Ryan confess to faking the IM conversation, or is that just a "nothing to see here, move along" "Jedi wave" attempt to deter others from taking this piece of evidence legitimately?
No, it isn't and everything points to Ryan's story being true. I understand you are passionate about discrediting the Pizzagate scandal, but it's going to take more than just your opinion to "debunk" this.
Why? Most of us here wish this wasn't real. Unfortunately, there are a myriad of strange connections and a mountain of circumstantial evidence, that seems to paint a very dark picture of some sort of criminal activity. People here are just doing what they consider their duty, by being a part of the citizen investigation to expose those involved.
>I won't be silenced for disagreeing with you, and others.
Of course not. That being said, a disagreement would be fine, but your highly motivated and systematic approach to "debunking" each piece of evidence brought up, may be seen as disingenuous and agenda driven by some of the users here. Especially given the nature and purpose of this sub.
Well, you saying it's "clearly bullshit" doesn't make your opinion superior in any way, and in fact shows that you can't PROVE it's bullshit, just state it baldly like it's fact when it isn't.
And if you say that zhanli is highly motivated in his attack, well duh. These people are sick. If something rubs the wrong way against human nature, people are gonna have a visceral reaction.
This isn't a court of law, and I don't have to argue evidence with you. But if you think people base this off just a "friends co-workers instagram posts" is EXTREMELY disingenuous.
How is Clinton's connection to Laura Silsby, a KNOWN child trafficker, ZERO evidence? HMMM??? Now, I could see past the Moloch comment by Clinton, IF she didn't have these nagging associations with scumbags.
no there is not a shred of evidence. but that is why the less fortunate (cognitively) will continue to post as if there is. Its almost as sad as it is interesting.
Watch that Avcii video he directed, then read the report that he killed himself by slashing his own throat and his wrists with a broken bottle. Anyone that doubts this whole thing at this point either hasn't looked into it or doesn't want to believe it.
This Hollywood Attorney is stating he was murdered down to confronting Oman royalty over his "new" minor wife. Upon confronting the man, he was murdered the next day.
You can look at other comments or you can hit key words on a search engine and see where it takes you. Happy Hunting. This guy does not use Sacred Geometry or numbers from what I can see.
wow...I have stayed off the conspiracy reddit thread for awhile. I used this stuff to make myself feel better about my own sins. I 32 months sober. My life is much different now...I am not filled with secrets anymore. Yes this Aviccii thing looks like murder to me. I don't feel empowered to fix it. I just want to be a force for good. Please help me universe/god/whatever force it is that helped push me come into the light 32 months ago.
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Which is kind of funny because he obviously can't explain the bizarre code language. I really wish he would explain that damn handkerchief with the pizza related map on it.
Or the strange occult ritual where they cut their left middle finger whilst drawing symbols on their hands. Seriously look it up. John podesta “eat the pain.” Most are photoshopped but the one where his hands are up and he’s in an office is not doctored.
Just read through that, didn’t really debunk anything just tried to make it seem like a coincidence. There’s a plethora of bizarre emails that super elites were sending to each other regarding “pizza” “walnut sauce” “red daisy” that just don’t make sense for high value people to be emailing about. Or that Obama ordered $65,000 worth of hot dogs to the White House. It just doesn’t add up. People don’t like pizza THAT much.
A normal presidential food security check comes out to be around $2,000 for radiation and poison scanning. The value of a Child from a third world nation on the silkroad, which would’ve been active around the time of the emails, was in the range of $40,000-$120,000. NO ONE buys $50,000 Pizza’s and NO toxin checkpoint costs $65,000+.
You wrote some BS about cutting hands and occult symbols. In reality, the dude had surgery and the photo with drawing on his hands was obviously related to the global goals email it was attached to.
You're a disinfo agent or a total idiot who has never read the emails. Lumping in the Stratfor email and showing no signs of actual research is an obvious sign of one or both of those. Keep your pants on when you're using Tor Browser, please.
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Start reading the emails, you’ll find the same shit that I found. Or look into the JFK files and open your mind. Otherwise consider to shut people up or realize our world truly is run by sick sick elites.
You haven't read the emails or you wouldn't get your leaks mixed up and you'd know where the photo you talked about came from. You've read what someone claims the emails say.
I have read the emails, I have found the specific ones where they cite ordering “walnut sauce” casually. Whatever the fuck that could mean. Your account seems to be here to discredit Truth seekers. Carry on
Podesta, the campaign chairman and a seasoned cook, made a pasta with walnut sauce for the dinner guests, which included reporters from The New York Times, The Washington Post, Politico, The Wall Street Journal, The Associated Press and several major TV networks.
Scary!
You're not a "Truth seeker." You're one of many cultists making up sick fantasies to intentionally or unintentionally distract from real occurrences of child abuse. And I don't even mean the crimes your "God emperor" is accused of. It's not a game. Real shit happens but you want to get off on being special.
I'm sorry if you're too brainwashed to know better, that's tragic but maybe better optics than you doing this and being self-aware.
You are just someone who is here to shit on those who seek the truth lol. Don’t like trump really never did but he is definitely doing things behind the scenes to stop the elite child PEDO rings.
Hence ALLISON MACK
Insider in on most of the elite events that happen in Hollywood.
Admit to what? Are you going to tell your programmer that you don’t have enough code to fight this level of truth? Sorry Bot, go suck Alefantis or Soros’s cock a little harder because you lost this one.
The acceptable thing is to address their arguments, civilly point out that their arguments are lacking, or downvote and move on; not to attack the user.
Yeah, just google 'pizza handkerchief' and you'll find tons of examples of literally pizza-themed hankerchiefs. Seeing as John is such a fan of italian cuisine, it would make sense that he had a pizza handkerchief
Those 'coded' e-mails are the weakest part of the pizzagate 'evidence'. IMO we all do ourselves a disservice when we hold up easily-defeated 'code' words as the biggest evidence of something sinister, when there's more questionable things that never get brought up.
I just want to know what it means. It's obviously not literal. However, there have been several theories about what is meant by map. I don't know. By the way, you are arguing with a false dichotomy, which is a type of strawman argument. This person can be both a real estate agent and complicit in illicit activity without being a ringleader of anything.
I didn't mean to set up a straw man, I'm trying to find out the logic that goes from real estate agent finding a handkerchief, that handkerchief being described to John, John replying it's not a big deal and Susan replying ok thanks is a sign of a pedophile network.
"Might be time for Denny to vanish to an undisclosed Japanese island"
Podesta hasn't talked about this email or the torture chamber email once. Why not? Disregard ALL the pizza emails, there are very questionable statements in the POdesta leaks that have nothing to do w/ pizza
I tried to explain this to someone the other day They weren't running kids out of comet ping pong that was disinfo to conceal the truth, that comet ping pong was like the Cheers for high powered DC pedo's.
Not sure if it's true, it is believable, elites use art shipments to smuggle because they somehow get a customs pass - on Ray Donovan show and I need to look into it.
These tv shows for propaganda sure seem to give things away but maybe it's a psyop of nothing on tv is real. The syfy show Happy! Was insanely creepy and also satisfying as the dad went nuts.
I don't know anything about the name change or the laundering, but it's not entirely implausible, but I think what can be proved is that a lot of high powered DC pedo's liked to hang out there and all the creepy art/entertainment and ads by alefantis himself speak to this.]
My bad, but the link gives some more credibility to your statement to the deniers. I don’t understand how anyone could view those posts without feeling a little sick.
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Trump's campaign chair was charged with trafficking of a minor. Arrested in Nov '17 I believe. Not a word from msm on either side. Reuters was the only big source I've seen.
"Trump's campaign chair" is pretty misleading. He was in charge of a state-level RNC campaign office (in OK iirc). He was prosecuted, and rightfully so. There were quite a few mainstream articles about the case, and essentially nobody, here or anywhere, made any effort to defend him or what he did.
When discussing pizzagate (and the passage of time) it's become VERY easy to disengage with shills. Detractors will say common things ranging from the simple "pizzagate isn't real you (deragatory term typically insulting intelligence)" to "OMG you think Hillary Clinton raped kids in a pizza basement?" (Obvious super exaggeration)
Oh and don't forget the "crazed armed gunman who almost killed someone" while neglecting to mention that the cameras facing the parlor we're turned for only that one day and that the one bullet fired was hitting the computer tower
Nonetheless politics aside, one thing I never see discussed is psychology behind why elites engage in pedophilia. Personally I have my own theory. I read in article years ago that one way chimps display dominance is stealing the baby from the mother chimp and then eating it in front of them (the article below describes such behavior). Seeing as how humans are related to chimps, I believe this is why the elites engage in pedophilia and other sexual assault. See it’s one thing to be able to dominant and exploit a person. It’s an entirely different level of power and evil to be able to exploit someone’s children and for them to be powerless to stop it.
My thoughts almost exactly. I also think many believe they are demonically possessed or wish they were etc. Games of power played out at sick rituals seeing who can play along, who is eager and who wants to puke.
Between 2000 and the present, members of the STO (the “Traffickers”) have used false promises, physical and sexual violence, threats of the same, lies, and coercion to force and coerce adult and minor women (the “Victims”) to work in prostitution in both Mexico and the United States.
In most cases, a Trafficker entices a Victim – frequently a minor – in Mexico. The Trafficker then uses multiple means to isolate the Victim from her family. In some cases, the Trafficker uses romantic promises to induce the Victim to leave her family and live with him. In other cases, the Trafficker rapes the Victim, making it difficult for her to return to her family due to the associated stigma of the rape. Once a Victim is separated from her family, the Trafficker frequently monitors her communications, keeps her locked in an apartment, leaves her without food, and engages in physical or sexual violence against the Victim. Traffickers often tell Victims that the Traffickers owe a significant debt and that the Victim must work in prostitution to assist in repaying the debt. Traffickers typically begin forcing the Victims to work in prostitution in Mexico, frequently in a neighborhood of Mexico City known as “La Merced.” Victims are often required to see at least 20 to 40 customers per day. Traffickers monitor the number of clients a Victim sees by surveilling the Victim, communicating with brothel workers, and by counting the number of condoms provided to a Victim. Traffickers typically require the Victims to turn over all of the prostitution proceeds to the Traffickers.
If he wasn't, why would he have threatened a voat Pizzagate researcher with killing his entire family and "suing his dead body" if he didn't remove one of his posts exposing a property of Alefantis' as a potential trafficking hub, the "Pegasus Museum"?
If he wasn't, why would he have threatened a voat Pizzagate researcher with killing his entire family and "suing his dead body" if he didn't remove one of his posts exposing a property of Alefantis' as a potential trafficking hub, the "Pegasus Museum"?
The simple answer is that the "threats" didn't actually happen and Ryan faked the whole thing. That report doesn't actually show what he told the police.
His only other evidence was screenshots. He's from Texas where a simple google search reveals conversations can be lawfully recorded. Why didn't he record any of his conversations with the police, or the FBI? He even admits that the thought went through his head. Yet, no action...
He claimed he "tried" to record his conversations with JA twice. One of the times he had a "buddy" next to him and neither of them thought to at least video-record the conversation. The next time, Alefantis gives him a warning before the supposed call, but Ryan still doesn't record the conversation (despite having allegedly been threatened before). Why didn't he ever call him back and record that?
If the FBI really looked into it, why haven't they found anything? Why didn't he ever provide evidence of the report? He could have easily recorded his conversations with the
If the FBI is "in on it" and/or he were really threatened by Alefantis, why would he continue to sell pizzagate merchandise and vlogging about pizzagate? It doesn't look like he took the "threat" very seriously. Or it was, you know, made up.
The simple answer is that the "threats" didn't actually happen and Ryan faked the whole thing. That report doesn't actually show what he told the police.
Are you claiming that he fabricated evidence, and filed a false report to the police (a report they acknowledged as legitimate), all to sell more merchandise? That doesn't sound very plausible to me.
Sounds like it would be highly illegal and dangerous move to fabricate evidence against the 49th most powerful person in Washington D.C..
Are you claiming that Ryan fabricated evidence against Alefantis, and filed a false report to the police (a report they acknowledged as legitimate), all as an elaborate ruse to sell more shirts? That doesn't sound very plausible to me.
Right, because people never do things for money. /s
He wasn't only selling t-shirts. He was begging for donations on his channel and he had a Patreon.
Although, it's really funny that you talk about plausibility when discussing pizzagate of all things. His videos are about taking a "killroom" hashtag on instagram as evidence of a literal murder. The replies on the picture also include a comment about werewolves, so I guess they're literally talking about man-beasts that roam the earth! /s Yet, in your mind, Ryan finding a "killroom" without evidence of the actual "kill" is more plausible than him trying to take advantage of gullible people? Ok.
Sounds like it would be highly illegal and dangerous move to fabricate evidence against the 49th most powerful person in Washington D.C.
Oh come on, do you believe everything you read in GQ? there were party planners ahead of him on that list for crying out loud lol. What kind of "power" do you think these people have? He was dating David Brock at the time, which would have put him on the radar for a magazine of GQ's caliber...
Regardless, if JA is so "powerful" why did Ryan continue posting Pizzagate nonsense (after a short break) on his channel and selling pizzagate merchandise on his site? If you were threatened by such a "powerful" foe, would you also do the same? Either he didn't take the threat (from a man he's accusing of murder) or the warning from the FBI seriously, or the "threat" and talks with the FBI were simply fabricated.
f this is all a stunt as you claim, then why hasn't Ryan been arrested after filing the false report?
Because, short of a confession, it's virtually impossible to prove. The police aren't going to waste resources putting an investigator on a fruitless effort. It was a pretty low risk move. A move that he didn't make until hours after he recorded, edited, and uploaded his youtube video (almost as if he wasn't going to report it until people started asking for evidence). We also don't know exactly what he told the police.
But, again, forgetting that, if he was really threatened and reported those threats to the police, why didn't he ever record any of these interactions? Not just JA, but he could have called back the police and recorded himself asking questions or giving details/evidence about his report. He could have recorded the FBI telling him not to "poke the bear" (a point which you completely ignore). If any of his claims were true, he's had ample time to prove them. But, let's be real here. If you were threatened by a "powerful" man that you are accusing of murder and the fucking FBI told you to back off, would you continue hocking PG merch and vlogging about it?
Hey... it’s me Ryan. Nothing was fabricated. Yes i sold shirts. I also refunded everybody who bought a shirt when the shills shit their pants over it. Focus of shirts was spreading awareness. 100% of the marketing of pizzagate was controlled by MSM. I wanted to change that. Even if my motivation was to make money... it still happened. Pegasus is real. The threats are real. The info in the video is real. His reaction was real. The police report is real. The special agent i dealt with was real.
pizzagate isnt real lol. yall are super silly still trying to push that narrative. go give alex jones a double dutch rudder if you are THAT bored. lmao
Email inviting John Podesta and his wife to "The Farm", from Tamera Luzzato
With enormous gratitude to Advance Man Extraordinaire Haber, I am popping >> up again to share our excitement about the Reprise of Our Gang’s visit to >> the farm in Lovettsville. And I thought I’d share a couple more notes: >> **We plan to heat the pool, so a swim is a possibility. Bonnie will be >> Uber Service to transport Ruby, Emerson, and Maeve Luzzatto (11, 9, and >> almost 7) so you’ll have some further entertainment, and they will be in >> that pool for sure**. And with the forecast showing prospects of some sun, >> and a cooler temp of lower 60s, I suggest you bring sweaters of whatever >> attire will enable us to use our outdoor table with a pergola overhead so >> we dine al fresco (and ideally not al-CHILLo).
There were more pictures archived on sli.mg but that site has been down since mid-January.
As you can see, there's nothing unusual about the photos at all.
Also, the father tries to make humorous remarks on nearly every picture. People are trying to insinuate that there's something sinister about the phrase "raw and uncut", but that's just the way he writes.
EDIT: Well, after looking at the header on the archive.is page, I figured out there are more pages archived.
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When i saw these Hampstead Children years ago when this video came out there were about 10 other videos that came out with it. I remember clearly the kid saying they were "taken to pizza shops where people did sex on them." This was years before pizzagate happened. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7_epvNbaPQ
Except this video and her allegations were debunked years ago and can be traced back to the satanic panic of the 80s and 90s.
This interview came from a psychiatrist who claimed that people who have experienced trauma suppress their memories, and a certain kind of treatment can recover these memories.
It turned out to be total bullshit. It's basically the power of suggestion and coercing events. It actually had devastating consequences as a lot of people went to jail from people all of a sudden "remembering" things that didn't happen.
After the satanic panic subsided, the psychiatrist admitted it was flawed.
"Stuff You Should Know" covered this in more detail in their podcast.
Satanic panic began with this book, Michelle Remembers
It was first pointed out in the United States that no material evidence of ritual or satanic practices had been forthcoming in any of the cases in which they had been alleged. In Britain the position has been substantially the same as far as allegations of satan-worshiping rituals are concerned. As one journalist put it, in a phrase that has become well-known: Investigations have produced no bodies, no bones, no bloodstains, nothing. In the United States, the only adult witness to corroborate the testimony of children in a case has continued to claim that her evidence was given ‘to get it all over with’ and was the result of plea-bargaining. An FBI agent, Kenneth Lanning, has reported that he has been unable to document any satanic murders in the United States. While this book was being written, a report of a very large study carried out be Gail Goodman and associates in the United States claimed that none of the cases reported to them produced any evidence of the existence of organized satanic worship that included sexually abusing children.
During the 1980s and 90s a moral panic about alleged satanic ritual abuse occurred, mainly in parts of the English speaking world. This was propagated by certain psychotherapists, social workers, Christian fundamentalists and law enforcement officials. Some of the cases ended in prosecution and imprisonment. Australia, the United Kingdom and the United States have had several incidents of alleged SRA which received national and international news coverage. Other countries have also had isolated events in which abuse or murder took place with satanic ritual elements, including Argentina and Brazil.
that was obviously a cover up. It's definitely real. The victims who speak out are far more convincing than some "expert" debunking.
They haven't been proven true because they own the system. They continue to get away with their crimes because of the apathetic public. They created the system. Court houses are actually Satanic Temples created to take away humans natural law. https://aim4truth.org/2018/05/04/the-british-crown-runs-the-u-s-legal-system/
These are the richest people in the world doing this stuff. The "El- ite". It is in the name itself. These rulers are satanists and they can continue to cover up the truth because they created the entire system.
Just look at Michael Aquino... The guys started an off shoot of the The Satanic Church called the Temple of Set. He is an admitted Satanist and he was in charge of US military psychological operations. If that doesn't bring up any red flags in your mind, you've been got. Satanists run the world, of course their not going to bust themselves.
Thanks for the post. I actually just pulled together a collection of #PizzaGate links:
http://pizzagate.wiki
• #Pizzagate - Girl screaming for help inside of Comet Ping Pong
• Proof That It's Alefantis Making Threats (Facebook Screen capture)
• Pizzagate - 20 archived threads and Mega archive
• Before he made his instagram, account private, here is a screenshot of James Alefanti's "#murder" and #killroom"
• Child abductions are common
• Welcome to Pizzagate: Fully sourced, simply organized, summary and history of main findings (12/6)
Fully Sourced Excellent Summary of Pizzagate Evidence
NOTE: There isn't a small, handheld smoking gun, that I have seen. Much like 9/11, it's more of a smoking nuke. The mountain of circumstantial evidence is literally "unbelievable".
Yes. A current, unfolding conspiracy. Thanks for the post. Here is a list of sources - collected over time -- please take note of how many sources have now vanished from the internet (including u/sheasie -- seems to have been banned)
• Before he made his instagram, account private, here is a screenshot of James Alefantis Rothschild's "#murder" and #killroom" [https://i.sli.mg/86mWlT.png]
NOTE: There isn't a small, handheld smoking gun, that I have seen. Much like 9/11, it's more of a smoking nuke. The mountain of circumstantial evidence is literally "unbelievable".
Does anyone else REMEMBER that up until about 15-20 years ago, pedophilia related crimes were ALWAYS capital punishment offense? mandela effect + pedogate?
The Disruptors seem to have moved on from this thread so it's been restored from contest mode (which appears to be working wonders to combat those with ill intentions towards /r/conspiracy).
Anyone ever try spying on the Bros? Or Elephant ass? What about test those supposed recordings of him threatening that dude? Any serious follow ups or news?
Allow me to chip in with what will undoubtedly be seen as a provocative post. Human sex trafficking is being blurred purposefully by the media. On the one hand, there is the very real child trafficking from third world and war other torn countries, this trafficking is being carried out by organisations most people think are 'there to help '.
However, the lines are being blurred by the adult trafficking, where, it is claimed the women thought they were getting jobs as cleaners or au pairs but were forced by wicked men into prostitution. These are almost always complete bullshit. Allow me to explain.
I know of a couple who operated in Paris, they would go to cambodia, Vietnam and northern regions of thailand to recruit prostitutes. They would arrange visas, pay for flights and provide accommodation. The girls all knew they would be prostitutes, but told their parents that they had been offered real jobs in France. This couple would provide all clients for the girls and until their debt had been paid they needed to pay 30% of their earnings to the couple. Once the debt had been paid they just paid 10% of their earnings. All of this is made clear to the girls.
So, off they went to be prostitutes. Even with the 30% deductions they would be making more money than they could ever hope to earn in their home countries. Please remember these girls are whores, they were whores back home too. One thing whores do better than anything is lie. They lie to punters "you're so handsome", "i love a fat man", "i prefer older men" etc. They lie to their friends and family "i work at the airport", "i have a rich boyfriend" etc. Yet you all think that when the police raid their brothels they suddenly become bastions of truth?
Think about it. They get raided and they have two choices, tell the truth and be immediately imprisoned, have all their belongings confiscated and await deportation. Or, say they thought they were going to be a cleaner but the evil men forced them to be whores. This story will get them immediately put on a working visa, authorities will try to get them proper jobs, pay for their education and give them full welfare rights. No surprises for guessing theyll claim to have been trafficked.
Just go on holiday to Thailand. Go to any border control and look at the queues of young girls all waiting to get in. You can see the girls who are wanting to get in to become whores, and there are thousands of them. Often travelling alone or with just one other friend. There is an over abundance of girls willing to be whores. The same is true of eastern europe, they are awash with prostitutes. Why would you need to force anyone to do something that an over supply of people are willing to do? You wouldn't!
These adults who claim to have been trafficked are being used as a smokescreen for the real trafficking that is going on. Almost all the busts are dealing with adults, not kids.
Just watched the joe Rohan Alex jones podcast, they go into detail on pizza gate and other crazy elitist globalist conspiracy’s that are proven. really opens your eyes
I like to think about this as if everything that Podesta/Alefantis was accused of as merely coincidental just to see if it changes my mind.
The freaky art and performances are simply a progressive, urban art style that my simple conservative mind can’t understand.
The association with known pedos and deviants like Epstein, Silsby, Clinton, Weiner, and Richards are all coincidental. Just because their associates are guilty of certain crimes, doesn’t mean that Pgate is automatically true. Their relationships are established as somewhat close but not necessarily beyond a business capacity. These are wealthy people after all.
Bill Clinton really is Chelsea’s father and Danney Williams is a hoax. We can never definitively prove either parentage without DNA, no matter how similar in appearance Hubbell/Williams may be to their alledged progenitors.
All of the weird sexual comments involving minors and murder are unfortunately timed private jokes not meant for widespread scrutiny.
All of the money associated with the political connections are no different than when conservative heavyweights promote their causes, and does not indicate a black market cabal.
Clinton et al. really are simply progressive patriots that only wish to champion liberal causes and ideals but can’t escape constant stumpings by Trump.
In the response to the new Qposts. Especially: #FutureProvesPast #TrustNoOne I think people need to start looking at the connections with Jones, Stone, and Megyn Kelly. Joe Biggs left Infowars after he was covering the weird emails from Podesta involving pedo language. Then Alex went on and on about a False Flag and blaming him/Infowars. Well what do you know. It happened, exactly like he said. It was like he had "good intel" or he "knows the Globalist". Because some dude shot a computer in Ping Pong Pizza parlor and it was blamed on infowars. Then Megyn Kelly did an interview with the owner of Ping Pong Pizza to discredit Infowars when she was still on Fox. Then the lawsuit emerged from the owner of Ping Pong Pizza and Alex made an official statement about it being fake. It was no longer discussed. Then there was the epic Megyn Kelly interview where it was a supposed "hit job" on Alex. He recorded her and posted. Blah blah blah. Then when you go back in time before the election during the debate hosted by Megyn Kelly she asked Trump the question about women. That was the one where Trump said, Only Rosie O'Donnell. Roger Stone resigned from the campaign (Trump claimed he fired him). Then a little later he joins Infowars. All of this is very weird. Jones has been in a lot of films and the media all make fun of him. He seems like he doesn't even bat an eye to all the negativity. It is looking to me like that is his job. It doesn't bother him and he is not afraid, because he is in on it. He has people all over the place using him as a "scapegoat" to make fun of "truthers". He freaks out with hysteria and fake crying. He makes sure guest don't say certain things. It's like he is, "controlled opposition".
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Actually I will link you to a victim: I was sexually assaulted 8 years ago by the Pizzagate guy, owner of Comet Ping Pong, James Alefantis AMA!
That person's claims involve them being an adult when sexually harassed. As bad as that might be (given that it's a completely anonymous accusation), it's no where near the accusations of pedophilia, murder, or trafficking.
Furthermore, when people ask for victims, they're not saying to show us victims coming forward. They are asking for evidence that the victims even exist. Were any of the accused behaving strangely right before a child they were involved with disappeared? Was blood found in their freezer? Do people consistently go missing after meeting them? These would be examples of some kind of evidence that the victims even exist.
Pizzagate simply has none of this evidence. Only anonymous accusations. And in the case of the link you sent, not even really "pizzagate"-related, since they were not a minor, and weren't trafficked or murdered. Like I said earlier, not excusing that behavior if it's actually true, but it hardly supports your claim that pizzagate victims exist.
The AMA was removed because after further inspection of the proof, it wasn't up to our standards. Once he has better proof, we'll be happy to let him repost it.
With all due respect, how is it spam? The “dominoes on cheese or on pasta” has been cited as “evidence” regarding Pizzagate in threads such as this one
I provided context using primary sources, about a phrase that is commonly cited regarding pizzagate. Was the issue that it’s been posted before? What rule is that a violation of?
Read the followup be the mods. He is literally being told everything he post is spam. If the mods deem what you post the be in bad faith, they can delete it as spam on a whim. everything.
Also is reeks of gate keeping. Post anything arguing against the premise of the post, leave.
"I would reevaluate my life, my goals, my duty as a human? That is what I would do if I were you" great response from a mod right?
My comment itself was relevant to PizzaGate, I used the Podesta emails to show how the “dominoes on pasta” email makes sense with context. It’s relevant to the topic at hand, yeah? I’d posted it before, but I posted it here because I thought it would add to the discussion. It’s a collection of primary sources, it’s not like there’s anything to rephrase. I wasn’t really trying to “say anything” with my own voice, per se, I just compiled some of the emails to tell their own story
Australian elite-pedo victim Fiona Barnett, who was born into a pedo-ring run by a U.S. military network, said that the U.S. military breeds their own children for sex, slavery & sacrifice. The Finders were transporting children who had "never seen running water, television or electricity."
Fiona Barnett has been almost 100% ignored by this subreddit. She was loud & vocal for years, had her own podcast & website, and then she went missing in late 2017.
As of May 3, I guarantee you will find thousands of Pizzagate posts in a search of this subreddit. I guarantee you will find a couple dozen posts about Fiona Barnett maximum. Fiona Barnett: A recently living witness who couldn't get the time of day from r/conspiracy. Maybe because she had no weaponized partisan political value?
Maybe also because she dared blame the U.S. military, with its vast budget & international resources? And every pre-Pizzagate pedo-ring scandal supports that conclusion? Meanwhile it looks like I'm supposed to pay more attention to a Pizza shop who flaunt pedo symbols, than to the multi-trillion-dollar Pentagon. Alefantis wants you to notice, but with no victims (unlike Franklin, Fiona or Dutroux, all with military connections).
Australian elite-pedo victim Fiona Barnett, who was born into a pedo-ring run by a U.S. military network, said that the U.S. military breeds their own children for sex, slavery & sacrifice. The Finders were transporting children who had "never seen running water, television or electricity."
Fiona Barnett has been almost 100% ignored by this subreddit. She was loud & vocal for years, had her own podcast & website, and then she went missing in late 2017.
As of May 3, I guarantee you will find thousands of Pizzagate posts in a search of this subreddit. I guarantee you will find a couple dozen posts about Fiona Barnett maximum. Until later this week, so Reddit can cover their tracks. Fiona Barnett: A recently living witness who couldn't get the time of day from r/conspiracy. Maybe because she had no weaponized partisan political value?
Maybe also because she dared blame the U.S. military, with its vast budget & international resources? And every pre-Pizzagate pedo-ring scandal supports that conclusion? Meanwhile it looks like I'm supposed to pay more attention to a Pizza shop who flaunt pedo symbols, than to the multi-trillion-dollar Pentagon. Alefantis wants you to notice, but with no victims who will prosecute (unlike Franklin, Fiona or Dutroux, all with military connections).
I'm not sure what the "original report" would be, let alone where to find it. I think the guy I linked was replying to someone who uploaded some documents or something. Or you can submit a FOIA request, like they did. But I'm not sure what a report like this would say. I don't think there's much meaningful information that can be recorded (other than the allegations) when there's no witnesses of a crime (or victims).
Generally speaking, police investigate crimes, not people. It can get really murky, civil rights-wise, if police go around shaking people down for little/no reason. Without evidence of a crime, like a witness or a crime scene to pin on a suspect, there's not much for them to go on.
I've suggested in the past that pizzagaters hire a personal investigator, but I've never seen anything come of it. However, after researching the evidence/accusations myself, I'm not even sure any investigator would take the job (since I don't think the clients would be too happy with the results). The "evidence" Pizzagaters are going on basically boils down to accusations and speculation, mixed in with a hefty dose of lies/misleading information. And anybody who disagrees with them opens themselves up to personally targeted attacks, which I see happen all the time.
It was sent by Susan Sandler, of the Sandler Foundation (major donor to the DNC).
Her exact phrasing was "The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yorus (sic)? They can send it if you want."
Absolutely bizarre, yet no one has ever asked Podesta to explain it, nor any of the other questionable emails.
But as you just said Podesta didn't use the alleged code, it was Susan.
Because he has been widely implicated in a political pedophile/trafficking ring and accused of using pedophile codewords.
So where is the evidence he has to answer? If there is evidence of a crime he should absolutely be held accountable
If you were accused of such a thing and could easily explain yourself, why wouldn't you?
Because acknowledging such ridiculous claims can only be damaging.
If you replaced handkerchief with keyring or mobile phone it would still be strange.
I don't agree.
Who emails someone to tell them they left a hanky behind and do they want it returned? What is a pizza related map and why was it on the handkerchief? Why is this mentioned in the email as if it is significant?
As you said Susan Sandler emailed him to tell him about the handkerchief. Although actually it was Kathryn Tate the realtor who first mentioned the handkerchief. Because she is in the business of selling homes and wants to return property to people viewing her homes for sale - like a professional.
You are correct. We were "told" that's where the bullet hit....which is still kinda sloppy. But shills will say "OMG HE COULD HAVE KILLED SOMEONE!" yeah so could the shitty driver I was behind earlier this morning.
If he wasn't, why would he have threatened a voat Pizzagate researcher with killing his entire family and "suing his dead body" if he didn't remove one of his posts exposing a property of Alefantis' as a potential trafficking hub, the "Pegasus Museum"?
no there is not a shred of evidence. but that is why the less fortunate (cognitively) will continue to post as if there is. Its almost as sad as it is interesting.
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1 blowtheroofoff 2018-05-03
inb4 bots
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1 quantumcipher 2018-05-03
The amount of projection in that thread is astounding. People speak out against what they consider a gross injustice, and they try to spin it into being a "defense" of said injustice, which makes no sense whatsoever. They're really reaching, with this one.
1 Afrobean 2018-05-03
Maybe they figure some people will see their lying link but not actually click through to read the comments that show the opposite of their claims? It's easy to tell bold lies if you can trust that your audience won't bother to actually check your sources.
1 Clumsy_Foulup 2018-05-03
Ahhh, the dregs of Reddit. Quite the rapscallions!
1 yokouma 2018-05-03
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1 gro0nt 2018-05-03
Hey - are you able to see jimmycomet's instagram archived on archive.org?
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
Can we start by delineating pizzagate and elite child abuse?
There's no indication in the Podesta emails of child abuse.
1 aleister 2018-05-03
Nothing for 3 months but when the pizzagate bell rings you're here in 5 minutes. I'm impressed.
This should be an interesting thread.
1 bignuke87 2018-05-03
The same goes for fukushima and setagaya observer. Its like they have a bot that notifies when certain topics are discussed. Nah thats crazy I doubt it..
1 Rayfloyd 2018-05-03
Some people absolutely do have scripts running and alerting them of topics talking about different keywords to then try and derail said discussion
I see a couple familiar faces already
1 aleister 2018-05-03
It's a discussion. There should be representation from multiple sides of the topic.
Keep the topic on the content and not the faces please.
As not to be a complete hypocrite, my comment to JLE was sincere though I could have worded it differently.
1 Rayfloyd 2018-05-03
I'm all for having 2 sides
It does get tiring when one side refuses to look at evidence themselves and just go back to "it's debunked" or "it's crazy"
These people should fuck right off the sub imo as they are not contributing a meaningful end of the discussion
And my comment wasn't directed at JLE at all lol, more in a general sense in reply to bignuke
1 aleister 2018-05-03
As I mentioned in another comment, this thread isn't going to change anyone's mind so folks should just rehash the data, stay civil and agree to disagree.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
Hopefully someone will address the substance of my comment rather than debate around it and imply I'm a shill.
As yet I have had no substantive replies!
1 aleister 2018-05-03
In my opinion, one of the most compelling elements is the hot tub reference.
As a grown ass adult, children in a hot tub would never be described as "entertainment".
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
Personally I can see how children having fun can be described as entertainment, especially for the grandparents the email was distributed between.
I saved the following comment which describes the event in more detail.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/63jb0a/woah_did_anyone_see_this_8ch_post/dfuze7c
1 aleister 2018-05-03
That's a great response. Thanks for sharing the counterpoint.
I like the last paragraph the best.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
Np, also ninja edited - there was no reference to a "hot tub" which immediately has more sexual connotations than "heating the pool" - an example of how important language and syntax is, particularly with pizzagate.
1 danwojciechowski 2018-05-03
Just for the record, as a grown adult who has raised children, there were plenty of times over the years when my children were young that I referred to them as "entertainment" to our friends raising their own children. They are activity and bustle and occupy a lot of attention, hence "entertainment". So just one vote for, I don't see this as odd in the slightest.
1 Rayfloyd 2018-05-03
:thumbsup:
1 danwojciechowski 2018-05-03
From my perspective, the exact same thing could be said for the other side as well. Do you find that tiring as well? Personally, as long as one side keeps rehashing the same points, I am all for the other side providing the same rebuttals. But that is just me.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
I saw the thread in /new and have some knowledge of pizzagate so... Here I am.
1 Capt_Irk 2018-05-03
There are two posts on this page and one is a barely legal lol
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
You don't like legal pornography?
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
Well, thanks for noticing I suppose!
1 FUCK_the_Clintons__ 2018-05-03
Man, they are getting more obvious, his whole account is basically please believe me, don't look into pedogate
1 aleister 2018-05-03
Let's let the thread play out and try to stay focused on the data.
This thread isn't going to change anyone's mind so folks should rehash the data, stay civil and agree to disagree.
1 bignuke87 2018-05-03
lol yup this string has just turned into a clever forum slide
1 aleister 2018-05-03
Would you care to expand on that?
1 bignuke87 2018-05-03
my statement stands on its own. So not really.
1 aleister 2018-05-03
Gotcha, thanks.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
More like my account is generally sourced comments countering claims related to pizzagate.
I make no judgement on "pedogate" which came after pizzagate and tried to associate the fake pizzagate story with real child abuse cases.
1 garyp714 2018-05-03
If that user appears for pizzagate threads and you see them every time then you too appear for pizzagate threads. Interesting.
1 aleister 2018-05-03
True, however, I end up looking at most threads, whether I want to or not.
1 garyp714 2018-05-03
I know I just think mods shouldn't be calling out users that way. It just adds to the noise already present for people like me who get called a shill constantly because we don't toe the line.
1 aleister 2018-05-03
I said I was being sincere. I think my comments reflect that.
I think he provides uniquely detailed responses and they should be considerations in this thread.
1 garyp714 2018-05-03
I missed that sorry. I appreciate that.
FTR I think you folks do a good job modding overall, I just wish this sub could get over the idea that folks that don't agree with them are shills.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
I look at most threads too.
1 VividDreaming 2018-05-03
Really weird your entire comment history is all about pizzagatw and that you didn't comment on anything else since 4 months ago, only to show up for this thread like clockwork.
Really though. That's super fucking weird.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
Why is it weird? I know a lot about pizzagate and happened to be online when the thread was posted.
1 VividDreaming 2018-05-03
Hmm I wouldn't say a 2 day gap between commenting here on a separate thread and topic, while I have commented several dozen times in other subs in the meantime, and waiting FOUR MONTHS between comments on the exact same subject is very comparable at all.
Interesting you would try to frame it as such. I bet that deflection tactic works a lot.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
Thanks for sharing your opinion of my post history. Very illuminating.
1 VividDreaming 2018-05-03
I would with all sincerity say it absolutely is illuminating.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
I see you were arguing in favour of child pornography here
https://snew.github.io/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/7vydoi/_/dtx8d4w/
Illuminating.
1 VividDreaming 2018-05-03
Please explain how you came to the conclusion I was defending child pork here. I'd love to hear it.
For anyone curious Deepfakes were a type of video made by taking normal videos of celebrities and putting their faces onto porn stars making an extremely convincing but fake video of say for example, Emma Watson getting banged (also Nic Cage onto everyone is a very common use and how this began).
This thread was discussing how it was involuntary pornography for those celebrities and why it was banned from Reddit. (Similar to when they banned the fappening)
I correctly pointed out to another user in this thread who was concerned of people making child porn by stealing the faces of children and putting them into porn videos that it wouldn't be considered so because any video they put a kids face on would be a video from the porn industry of a 18+ woman performing and not a child. It would be glorified Photoshop, not child porn.
So can you explain how I'm advocating for child pornography exactly? By explaining that words have meanings and definitions?
You're not very good at this.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
You argued it wasn't child porn.
It is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_child_pornography#Virtual_child_pornography
1 VividDreaming 2018-05-03
Except it's not or at least they certainly don't enforce it. From your own link
You can find that on reddit and no one calls for it to be removed, let alone made illegal. Beyond that my original point in the comment chain you posted is that no children are actually involved in the sex or filming so it would be quite a stretch to say the end result is what most people would consider to be actual child porn (videos and images of actual nude or sexualized children). Weird you would try to conflate that with defending child porn as an industry - almost like you're intentionally trying to obfuscate my message.
Hey - at least I'm getting you to have discussions about something other than podesta right? That's a first for you in almost over a year.
1 VividDreaming 2018-05-03
Furthermore the fact you spent so much time actually reading my comments (I didn't read yours just noted the topic of the thread you commented in) is fucking hilarious. Read away.
What is illuminating is that this is the worst you could find and that you attempted to spin my argument into something it's not. There's a name for those kind of tactics I'm sure you're well familiar with. Very illuminating indeed.
Thank you for making this easy to see where you stand.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
It wasn't difficult to find.
1 VividDreaming 2018-05-03
Sorry you had to wade through all the shitposts and me bitching about the Denver Broncos just to find me arguing over legal semantics of AI generated fake porn lmfao. Pretty big waste of your time you could've spent informing the users of conspiracy that Alefantis and podesta are perfectly regular joes
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
It was the 2nd link on snoop snoo, it literally took 2 minutes.
1 exkreations 2018-05-03
All of my complete lack of surprise, fucking shills can't keep their closets in order.
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-05-03
This is a [no meta] thread. Please direct any [meta] discussion to the sticky comment at the top of the thread. Thanks!
1 VividDreaming 2018-05-03
Which comment are you referring to? The one with all the links?
Is simply pointing out a user hasn't commented about literally anything but this subject against the rules?
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-05-03
In a [no meta] thread it is against the rules outside of the parent sticky comment at the top of the post.
1 VividDreaming 2018-05-03
I'm sorry I didn't realize. I don't see a no meta tag? But I won't do it again
1 danwojciechowski 2018-05-03
I don't comment on many threads, though I read many threads. There are a few topics I have dug into over the years that I do comment on. Probably because those are topics I imagine I know a little about. I suspect JaimeLesEnfants behaves similarly. So, not terribly weird at all. Just human nature.
1 frisbee_coach 2018-05-03
Are you forgetting he is a mod? Gary you’re getting lazy. Take a nap.
1 garyp714 2018-05-03
That doesn't excuse behaving poorly like the regular users do in accusing everyone not falling in line as a shill.
1 frisbee_coach 2018-05-03
Did they claim he was a shill or did they merely point out the unusual account activity that is common with forum manipulators that get pings when certain keywords are used?
Are you now claiming that shills don’t exist at all?
1 garyp714 2018-05-03
I find the worst shills are the silly folks that hide in private subreddits debating whether other users are shills to the point that they dig up information on those folks then cutely refer to it later when they come out of their little private enclave and think they discovered some big revelation and giddily throw it around like they're in 3rd grade show and tell.
Those folks are actually the biggest hypocrites too.
1 frisbee_coach 2018-05-03
You’re avoiding the question that paid forum manipulators exist, and are present on most conspiracy forums, as well as corporate shills who shill products on major social media platforms, including reddit.
https://reddit.com/r/shills/comments/4kdq7n/astroturfing_information_megathread_revision_8/
Are you that ignorant or just trolling? I’m honestly not sure anymore.
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1 garyp714 2018-05-03
Yes there are shills. Better?
Now address mine about the folks hiding in the conclave with moderators ganging up on real users because they disagree. Are those shills?
1 frisbee_coach 2018-05-03
If that’s what you really think happens in the conclave, keep up your delusions. It’s hilarious to watch you get unhinged.
Now you’re just trying to bait me into a rule 10. You seem very jealous you weren’t invited to the conclave.
1 iAmMitten1 2018-05-03
I mean, it kind of looks like that's what's going on there. It's possible that it's just a bad example that makes that subreddit look worse than it actually is. Like that thread is taken out of context of larger, more detailed discussions going on there in other threads. The problem is that "outsiders" have no way of knowing what's going on and what's being discussed. Making a private subreddit for only certain "chosen" users to be able to discuss this subreddit with the mods is basically asking for people to suspect that something nefarious is going on, even if it isn't.
1 frisbee_coach 2018-05-03
The ”chosen” users are users who have been active in conspiracy for a long time, and participate. Since the election, there has been a huge influx of users who come here to forum slide and manipulate comment sections.
Coincidencently, the only conspiracy they will claim exists is Trump Russia collusion, which has been pushed by the mainstream, project mockingbird media
In particular, /r/TopMindsOfReddit is where many of these users come from. Rule 13 and the 2 month account rule was made to combat the brigades and forum sliding. They will stalk users, and have attempted to dox them in the past.
In case you are wondering why reddit admins allow the blatant site wide rule breaking, it is likely sanctioned as it has support from mainsteam media.
https://i.imgur.com/GK7JMX3.jpg
https://www.reddit.com/user/wearetheopposition
1 RMFN 2018-05-03
Do shills exist??
1 garyp714 2018-05-03
yes. totally.
1 mastigia 2018-05-03
Removed rule 10 on the sub.
1 olund94 2018-05-03
The thing is he is right.
Global pedophile ring? Legit. Hillary Clinton + Pals running paedophilic rng out of edgy pizza pallor? Obvious horse shit.
1 Lyra_Fairview 2018-05-03
But there's evidence that elite pedophile rings have existed in Washington D.C. Why is it so far-fetched to imagine operations taking place at various interconnected properties in D.C.
If you're willing to admit that global pedophile rings exist, can you describe how you think the operations/logistics of an elite pedophile ring operating out of Washington D.C. would work?
1 olund94 2018-05-03
Obviously there are rings in DC but I just don’t think Comet Ping Pong has anything to do with or Podesta for that matter. There’s no solid evidence.
1 Jerrimu 2018-05-03
I agree about comet, but Podesta was almost certainly speaking in some sort of code.
1 srroguelife 2018-05-03
Yes, that is how they do it, it is on the FBI website for codes. The artwork and designs are notifications of what they are selling.
1 Lyra_Fairview 2018-05-03
The symbols are from the FBI. The codewords did not come from the FBI, but instead came from 4chan which isn't reliable.
1 srroguelife 2018-05-03
Yes, it is, shill.
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-05-03
Rule 10
1 olund94 2018-05-03
This is accurate
1 olund94 2018-05-03
100% he was talking in code but why is the code about children.
1 Jerrimu 2018-05-03
Perhaps it isn't, but some of the things he said do appear to be pre-existing pedo code.
1 The-Juggernaut 2018-05-03
I know it's not conclusive, but you sometimes gotta trust your instincts. Literally the first time I saw a picture of John Podesta the first thought that popped in my head was "looks like a pedophile"
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
Where did Podesta use the code?
1 Jerrimu 2018-05-03
The email leaks, like "pizza-related map".
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
Podesta didn't use those words at all, it was a woman called Susan.
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/32795
What do you think she means? Why does her use of "pizza related" indicate Podesta is a pedophile?
What do you make of this part of the email
...
1 Jerrimu 2018-05-03
Most of the email seems innocent, what on earth would "I think it has a map that seems pizza-related" mean?
There is a history of pizza being code for child porn. It does predate the emails as well.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
Yeah cheese pizza means child pornography and has been around for a long time.
Now the email reads
And that's your evidence that John Podesta is a pedophile - because a woman used the word pizza in a email sent to him about real estate and a lost handkerchief.
1 Jerrimu 2018-05-03
I never said I thought he was a pedophile, only that the emails seemed to be code.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
Ok. I don't think any of the emails are encoded.
1 ChucksnCheers 2018-05-03
You don't think they are code? What could a pizza related map even be? Why would it be on a handkerchief? How can you read that sentence and not think it sounds very strange?
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
Could it be something like...
http://i.imgur.com/QkbP2Qx.jpg
Seems more reasonable to assume Kathryn and Susan are talking about a novelty handkerchief than switching between talking about pillows and houses to child abuse in the same email chain.
1 ChucksnCheers 2018-05-03
Well, any one of these things is going to be able to be written off, but when they are all taken together, then you start to think, "maybe this isn't some innocuous message about an actual handkerchief. "
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
The thing for me is, all the allegations can be written off.
In totality the theory isn't cohesive, with threads from Podestas real estate agent to James Alefantis instagram friends and Tony Podestas ex wife's role on a Washington police charity.
It's all cooked together to paint this magic eye picture that even when you squint doesn't create a decipherable image.
1 srroguelife 2018-05-03
Did you not SEE the art work on the walls.. Seriously.. wake up.
1 olund94 2018-05-03
You’ve not seen much avent grade art have you.
1 srroguelife 2018-05-03
Ha.. avent grade? Go back to school.
1 olund94 2018-05-03
Yeh I’m at work, should of checked that before posting haha you get my point though
1 doc_sommah 2018-05-03
*avant-garde...
1 mauriguillen 2018-05-03
Yeah because pedophiliac "art" is so fucking cool . Sad that you defend these disgusting people.
1 TheShadyTrader 2018-05-03
Have you seen the art that Podesta privately collects? Its disturbing. One is a tribute to Dahmer.
1 The-Juggernaut 2018-05-03
Alefantis is a creep though. No debating that. Dudes IG page was rough
1 Ieuan1996 2018-05-03
Let's also remember that the idea that pizzagate was simply "Hillary Clinton + Pals running paedophilic rng out of edgy pizza pallor?" was the MSM story they used to discredit it, by taking the dumbest bits and omitting plenty of other aspects so they could "debunk" it.
1 olund94 2018-05-03
Yes! I 100% agree, this is why I hate the branding effect of the name pizzagate. It was so effective!
1 ABigBigThug 2018-05-03
The MSM didn't name it Pizzagate.
1 Ieuan1996 2018-05-03
I didn't say they did. I'm saying that the MSM cherry picked information from across the broad spectrum of theories that fall under "pizzagate" to erect a straw man which they could "debunk" for the cameras, despite not actually addressing the vast majority of information available which lead pizzagate theorists to their respective conclusions.
1 thetydollars 2018-05-03
He's not going to reply lol
1 Ieuan1996 2018-05-03
That's fine, he doesn't have to. I think I articulated my point as clearly as I could. And getting the information out there is all that matters.
1 zhanli 2018-05-03
Wonder why?
1 aaaaaaaaaaanonymous 2018-05-03
Rolling Stone named pizzagate.
1 The-Juggernaut 2018-05-03
Look at my last comment. You nailed it. It's become super easy to spot shills about this topic. A MAN SHOT UP THAT PIZZA SHOP SOMEONE COULD HAVE BEEN KILLED (doesn't mention photos of Alefantis with the DC police commissioner, doesn't mention the cameras facing the building were pointed a different direction the day of the shooting, doesn't mention the one bullet shot destroyed the hardrive of the computer in the store, doesn't mention the shooter was a fucking actor)
1 Ieuan1996 2018-05-03
Ah mate! I remember on the subreddit the day before the "shooting" that guy from DC who posted about the traffic camera facing the other way, and then the next day - what do ya know! A shooting occurs. To everyone who saw that post beforehand the false flag was obvious. And like you mentioned, he only shot one bullet and it went straight into the computer tower (note: just in the interest of being specific, we don't actually know that it hit the hard drive. It was reported that it hit the computer tower in the back office, but what specific components got hit was never made public).
1 The-Juggernaut 2018-05-03
You are correct. We were "told" that's where the bullet hit....which is still kinda sloppy. But shills will say "OMG HE COULD HAVE KILLED SOMEONE!" yeah so could the shitty driver I was behind earlier this morning.
1 jim653 2018-05-03
The traffic camera never pointed at Comet Ping Pong in the first place, it pointed at the intersection, so it's irrelevant that it may have been off position. And Welch fired several shots in the pizzeria.. And calling him an actor is a stretch – he played "raver/victim" in one trashy film (ie, he was an extra, not an actor).
1 Question_History 2018-05-03
Tony is good friends with serial child molester Dennis Hastert, who served as speaker of the house for nearly a decade. Tony and John both have EXTREMELY questionable interests in art, a long with James Alefantis.
Bill Clinton is good friends with convicted child trafficker and pedo Jeffrey Epstein, who was in a relationship with Ghislaine Maxwell (daughter of Mossad agent Robert Maxwell) and was sued by Virginia Roberts who has claimed she was forced to have sex with Prince Andrew under age. She is also pictured with Prince Andrew.
Those are the facts. It is very eyebrow rising and what I touched on is literally only the tip of the iceberg.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
Raised eyebrows aren't evidence that Podesta or Alefantis are pedophiles.
Do you have any?
1 Question_History 2018-05-03
Sure! Check out these links presented. All factual information.
James calls his friend (holding a baby) a chicken hawk.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6vdn22/the_nambla_chicken_hawk_expos%C3%A8_alefantis_chicken/
To anyone claiming PG is debunked because "no basement" : https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7gwll2/to_anyone_claiming_pizzagate_is_debunked_because/
See if you can complete these simple steps to debunk pizzagate!
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7ciakx/some_simple_steps_to_debunk_pizzagate/
Here's Tony's weird art collection:
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7aznh5/to_anyone_saying_tony_podestas_art_collection_and/
Take into consideration he calls Dennis Hastert (serial child RAPIST) a good friend.
Podesta also has a large subterranean vault under his house, and in Wikileaks dumps, he speaks of a "torture chamber".
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7a5coz/tony_podesta_has_a_huge_subterranean_vault/
Again, this is just a small amount of circumstantial evidence compared to the mountains of creepy shit online.
And I didnt't even touch on the Epstein/Prince Andrew/Bill Clinton/Trump connection.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
Ok, the first one
Is wrong. He doesn't call anyone a chicken hawk. He uses the hashtag chickenlovers.
How does a photo of a friend holding a baby with the hashtag "chickenlovers" indicate the activity of a pedophile and why would a pedophile post their pedophile proclivities in public?
1 NorthKoreanDetergent 2018-05-03
https://www.definition-of.com/chicken+lover
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/chickenlover/
1 NorthKoreanDetergent 2018-05-03
Okay bruh bruh, I'm looking at your comment replies on this thread, and you've clearly got some sort of agenda here, so I won't bother arguing with someone that doesn't want to actually have a conversation or be convinced of anything.
But, just to your reply: why do all of the #chickenlover tags have chickens in them? Why does James' only have a little kid and no chicken? OOOOOOOP! Maybe #chickenlover means different things to different people, huh?
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
I don't have an agenda I just know all of the pizzagate story, and none of it implies pedophillia.
1 NorthKoreanDetergent 2018-05-03
Well, if you know the 'whole' pizzagate issue, then I'm assuming you've gone over to the voat pizzagate and read about all the various rabbitholes they've uncovered. The issue with pizzagate isn't comet ping pong itself, it's a wider issue of political pedophilia and human trafficking via The Clinton Global Initiative.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
The issue is comet ping pong via the Podesta emails was the corner stone of early pizzagate investigations so to move the story to some tertiary 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon seems disingenuous.
1 NorthKoreanDetergent 2018-05-03
Nah, because everyone suspects the initial people named in pizzagate have something to do with the other stuff. The fact that Tony & John were/are friends with a convicted pedophile (Hassert) deserves at least an explanation....how many pedophiles are you friends with? If I found out my friend was a pedophile, I would immediately cut ties with him, why didn't the Podestas?
All those cats are NTBT, imo. At the very least, some of this shit should be explained. But that has never happened, the narrative has been reduced to 'oh, you think kids were trafficked in a pizza parlor? FAKE NEWS', without really explaining or offering up an explanation of all the circumstantial evidence that IS valid, or DOES deserve further examination.
1 NorthKoreanDetergent 2018-05-03
What's up man, where's that explanation of Heavy Breathing? You know, Amanda Kleinman, on video made a joke about everyone 'having their preferences' after someone yelled out 'little kids' or something? How about sexstains too, while we're at it? The pedo triangle in their music videos? The two bands (that are shitty bands, I should add) that played all the time at Comet...you know what I'm talking about, right expert? What's up with that? You're an expert on this, right?
Why did Alefatis' sister write a letter of support for a pedophile that molested a buncha girls? What's up with that? Hassert, Kloman...oh, how about George Nadar? Caught with a shit ton of child porn on him. Here's a pic of him with Tony & Bill Clinton: https://steemit-production-imageproxy-upload.s3.amazonaws.com/DQmTrM4QdbrvknusBvTx73THZCC8EEDEsE7NDWwRGTMWBdo
Man, these people sure are friends with a lot of convicted pedophiles! What's up with that? Again, I don't know any pedophiles....do you? But, oh wait, I forgot, there's nothing to pizzagate right? You're the expert...please explain this to me, oh wise one!
Or, are you not gonna say shit because there is no explanation, and you fuckin knoooooow it.
lil batch.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
I don't think some shitty hipster bands with weird videos are evidence of child abuse. If you do that's up to you.
George Nader is an interesting one, he was actually more recently an advisor to Donald Trump and is part of the Mueller investigation
http://i2.wp.com/eaworldview.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/NADER-TRUMP.jpg?w=689 http://eaworldview.com/2018/03/how-saudi-arabia-and-uae-got-inside-trumps-white-house-and-the-mueller-investigation/
And here's Michael Cohen, Trump's personal lawyer having a cigar with a convicted child trafficker, Tevfik Arif a few weeks ago.
https://mobile.twitter.com/elizlanders/status/984895132276273159
1 NorthKoreanDetergent 2018-05-03
Bro, I went through your post history. You latch onto minutia, intentionally missing the point, don't respond to the actual point, and you derail.
So, what, you're probably buddies with these guys or something, huh? I'm a super duper skeptical person (and quite articulate as well, as you can see), but even I know something's fucky here. If you don't, you're intentionally missing the point. Whatever man, I don't even care. Have fun posting on pizzagate threads trying to derail the conversation. Have fun with whatever you do in your free time.
I've come to the conclusion people are absolute sheep and won't do anything to change their situation, no matter what kind of stuff is shoved in their faces, so I won't even deign to say some bullshit like, 'one day, we're gonna get your kind', because honestly, no one probably will.
Must be nice.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
I don't see how discussing the details of the allegations can be considered derailing the thread. A thread specifically about the allegations.
You may be articulate but it isn't me who is missing the point.
You have started from the position that Podesta and Co are child abusers so you add all these little bits of not even worrying instagram posts and friends of friends paintings they talk about in news paper articles and use that to paint a pedo picture.
You can tell I'm hitting a nerve with you because you resort to personal attacks on my character (of which you no nothing) and of my post history (which is no secret).
I won't lower myself to your level.
1 NorthKoreanDetergent 2018-05-03
Lol. Okay man. You're on a higher level. We're done here.
Like I said, have fun!
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
Thanks man.
Have a good time.
1 Question_History 2018-05-03
Got eeem
1 NorthKoreanDetergent 2018-05-03
I fuckin SHITTED on you dawg. Just *ppppprahp* *ppppprahp* *pllllllllllllbph* all on your shit.
Mark that one down as a big fuckin zero in your internet argument scorecard.
Just, poop emoji, poop emoji, poop emoji. All over you, bro.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
Are you OK?
1 aleister 2018-05-03
Removed. Rule 10
1 LurkPro3000 2018-05-03
Does nobody here remember the monologue from Heavy Breathing in the CPP "back area" for the excited crowd in which someone yell "He likes little boys!" And the HB MC replies sinisterly, " well we all have our preferences...heh heh heh"
You bitches want to act like everything was pulled out an ass and construed. They took down Alefantes' Instagram for a reason - IT WAS DISGUSTING and nearly every post and Comment was questionable. If it wasn't don't you think he would have left it up as proof of his innocent and family oriented restaurant purity?
Not sure if you people can still pull up a complete archived version of the CPP/Alefantis Instagram - probably not. But if you never saw it in the first place I'm not sure how you can argue with me in ignorance.
1 fakebeach 2018-05-03
Don't forget the email sent to John Podesta re: Hastert being busted
"Might be time for Denny to vanish to an undisclosed Japanese island"
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11508
1 pizzagate_researcher 2018-05-03
This is simply further evidence that Pizzagate is a political witch-hunt. Podesta received a forwarded email and it's used as evidence that Podesta is a pedophile. An email that, quite frankly, reads like it's mocking the situating "Denny" is in. Podesta doesn't even bother to respond.
Mike Pence actually goes out of his way to defend the same pedophile after he deliberately mishandled another sexual abuse scandal involving teenagers. And we get crickets.
1 osound 2018-05-03
there are hundreds of people that are/were friends with Dennis Hastert. it doesn't mean anything, nor does an interest in unconventional art.
so is Donald Trump, and hundreds of other people. again, it doesn't mean anything. Trump frequented Epstein's fantasy island like Clinton, but there are no accusations against him.
I don't know how elites being friend with other elites is eyebrow-raising.
1 srroguelife 2018-05-03
They use art as not only a way to laundry money, but as a symbol and the art is very telling what this man is into. Signs and symbols rule the world. I know for a fact this is how they do this, Check out Darin Vance from WA. He was just convicted, took only five years. This is how they communicate thru visual, borderline criminal content that is hard to bring justice to.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
What's art got to do with Podestas emails?
Why does laundering money through art indicate pedophile activity to you?
1 srroguelife 2018-05-03
Go figure it out for yourself.. not that hard.
1 IITheGoodGuyII 2018-05-03
And this is why you don’t get taken seriously.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
I know about Tony Podestas art. How does it make him a pedophile?
How does Tony owning art which he displays in his home indicate James Alefantis is part of a child abuse ring?
1 srroguelife 2018-05-03
Okay, think advertising for something illegal. You want to get the word out and your IQ is over 115. You still want to look like a great citizen who is just smart? On top of that, Art Museums get HUGE tax relief and it is easy for money laundering AND it is used to advertise they're specific fetishes, while making YOU The unaware feel like you don't understand specific tastes and undermine your inability to understand the psychopathic mind.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
Why do they "want to get the word out"? You've already said they're all emailing and Instagraming each other.
It just doesn't make sense.
1 doc_sommah 2018-05-03
To Get some more idiots to potentially blackmail for live... dat kind of knowledge could have immense power over people. But thats just an idea...
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
An idea with no evidence to corroborate it.
1 Suffocatingsky 2018-05-03
You're name is an anagram for James Alefantis, get outta here!
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
My name isn't an anagram of James Alefantis. Enfant has 2 n's.
1 Suffocatingsky 2018-05-03
You're name is an anagram for James Alefantis, get outta here!
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
My name isn't an anagram of James Alefantis. Enfant has 2 n's.
1 Suffocatingsky 2018-05-03
You're name is an anagram for James Alefantis, get outta here!
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
My name isn't an anagram of James Alefantis. Enfant has 2 n's.
1 fakebeach 2018-05-03
there is however reasonable evidence for the use of coded language. The accused has never once addressed this, been asked by the media about this, or tried to explain himself. Being emailed to ask if you wanted your used handkerchief with a 'pizza map' on it returned is not normal, and it deserves scrutiny.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
Ok. Who use the code words "pizza map"?
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-05-03
A realtor upon describing a handkerchief that was left behind at a property.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
Is the realtor a pedophile?
What does "pizza map" mean when it's decoded?
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-05-03
I've no idea if the realtor is a pedophile. You asked where the email came from and I answered.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
I'm just trying to highlight how flimsy the alleged code theory is -
It wasn't written by Podesta.
We don't know if the person who wrote it is a pedophile.
We don't know if it's encoded.
These points alone are enough to cast doubt on the entire theory imo.
And thank you for replying, I don't mean to be combative.
1 fakebeach 2018-05-03
It was sent by Susan Sandler, of the Sandler Foundation (major donor to the DNC).
Her exact phrasing was "The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yorus (sic)? They can send it if you want."
Absolutely bizarre, yet no one has ever asked Podesta to explain it, nor any of the other questionable emails.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
Why does Podesta have to explain Susan Sandlers choice of words?
1 fakebeach 2018-05-03
Because he has been widely implicated in a political pedophile/trafficking ring and accused of using pedophile codewords. If you were accused of such a thing and could easily explain yourself, why wouldn't you?
If you replaced handkerchief with keyring or mobile phone it would still be strange.
Who emails someone to tell them they left a hanky behind and do they want it returned? What is a pizza related map and why was it on the handkerchief? Why is this mentioned in the email as if it is significant?
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
But as you just said Podesta didn't use the alleged code, it was Susan.
So where is the evidence he has to answer? If there is evidence of a crime he should absolutely be held accountable
Because acknowledging such ridiculous claims can only be damaging.
I don't agree.
As you said Susan Sandler emailed him to tell him about the handkerchief. Although actually it was Kathryn Tate the realtor who first mentioned the handkerchief. Because she is in the business of selling homes and wants to return property to people viewing her homes for sale - like a professional.
1 slick_stone_bridges 2018-05-03
Did you look at all the evidence? That's like saying there is no evidence 9/11 was an inside job.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
I've looked at probably 95% of the pizzagate allegations.
There isn't any actual evidence to speak of.
1 ewwwwwzipties 2018-05-03
Someone is shadowbanned
1 Rockran 2018-05-03
Lumping Pizzagate with Pedogate is a disservice to real crimes.
1 trevmon 2018-05-03
direct opposite, not doing so is a disservice to the pizzagate victims
1 Rockran 2018-05-03
What victims???
1 Question_History 2018-05-03
Dylan and Carole Greenwood
1 Rockran 2018-05-03
What proof do you have to present?
1 HeyJesusBringMeABeer 2018-05-03
See the thing is when a case like that is settled in court or outside of court, there is usually a clause which seals the evidence. You know how it works.
Was Dylan sexually assaulted by James in the Comet Pizza kitchen? I will possibly never know unless I ask Carole or Dylan in person. But that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Events seem to suggest that something did happen, like Carole leaving behind both restaurants she made popular (Bucks and Comet) due to "pressing family matters".
Some researchers have got very close to the kind of smoking gun evidence that would make you happy, why not continue where they left off? Just imagine, you could debunk this once and for all and be a hero!
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1580540
1 DawnPendraig 2018-05-03
Huh... Guess he doesn't want to debunk it so much as argue with everyone
1 IronTeacup246 2018-05-03
The two topics are pretty closely related, and there has always been bleed-over between Hollywood and the political world. Assuming Pedogate and Pizzagate are true, there are undoubtedly predators and victims who have one foot in both.
1 Rockran 2018-05-03
Yes, but one is fiction, the other is reality.
1 IronTeacup246 2018-05-03
Quite the bold claim there. You have been able to disprove every pizzagate claim? Please share, I am sure the thread would love to see it.
1 Rockran 2018-05-03
Well this IS the right thread for it so go ahead.
Pick one and we'll see how quickly I can make a fool of myself.
1 IronTeacup246 2018-05-03
You're the one who made the claim that pizzagate is complete fiction and now you want me to do the legwork for you in building and structuring your argument. Hard pass.
I'm not saying pizzagate is confirmed real. I am very aware that the evidence for it is all circumstantial. Saying "there are other explanations for this or that" is all fine and good, and imo necessary, but it is not disproving something. Political figures around the world have been involved in human trafficking/pedophile rings before, and been involved in the coverups. I don't understand why the mere idea that there might be a pedophile ring in the US involving some politicians is so outrageous to some people.
1 Rockran 2018-05-03
That's how the burden of proof works.
Because the nonsense of Pizzagate wants to adopt other cases of proven pedophilia under its own umbrella of nothingness.
1 NorthKoreanDetergent 2018-05-03
More like NONCEsense, amiriteguiz?
1 hylozics 2018-05-03
pizzagate is one lead in pedogate. why do you want to ignore this lead?
1 Rockran 2018-05-03
Because it's nonsense and detracts from real pedo cases.
1 hylozics 2018-05-03
nothing wierd about James Alefantis visitng the white house the day before and the day after sandy hook... Nothing weird about a pizza shop owner being listed as one of the 40 most powerful people in washington DC. Nothing weird with his connections to the Rothschilds...
Yeah sure guy. The dude a kingpin.
1 Rockran 2018-05-03
Lock him away boys, he's weird that's all the evidence we need.
Victims? Nah don't need any!
1 hylozics 2018-05-03
not sayin lockin him away just yet. Just saying don't write it off as nothing if you can read the writing on the walls, this guy is a criminal.
1 Rockran 2018-05-03
What crime has he committed?
1 hylozics 2018-05-03
actually he's probably completely clean now that i give him a closer look.
you right
1 Marcuskb91 2018-05-03
Better title: /r/conspiracy Round Table #13: Human Sex Trafficking
1 axolotl_peyotl 2018-05-03
The comment the community chose specifically mentioned pizzagate.
1 quantumcipher 2018-05-03
Speculation regarding the seemingly shady however largely circumstantial evidence of Pizzagate aside, some of the more compelling examples of pedophilia and perhaps worse by those in positions of power:
The Pedophocracy by David McGowan
Pedophilia in the Government [Collection]
Lifting the Veil: An Investigative History of the United States Pathocracy (also available here)
Marc Dutroux Affair (various links & articles c/o whale.to)
Marc Dutroux, The Monster of Belgium (documentary)
Beyond the Dutroux Affair: The Reality of Protected Child Abuse and Snuff Networks (Warning: Contains some NSWF/NSFL content, however technically legal / censored)
Marcel Hofmans: Sex Clubs, Sex Cults and Morgues; More "Beyond Dutroux" Documents From Belgium
Pedophiles in Politics: An Open Source Investigation : The Corbett Report
The Finders Cult: A Treasury Department report (another copy of the preceding report, with added articles, documents and context)
The People's History: The Finders Cult
The Franklin Cover-up Child Abuse, Satanism, and Murder in Nebraska by Sen. John W. De Camp
The Franklin Scandal: A Story of Powerbrokers, Child Abuse & Betray by Nick Bryant
Evidence of child abuse in majorly influential organisations.
Elite child sex slaves "1981" forgotten documentary
An Open Secret: A documentary on Hollywood Pedophelia
Celebrities Expose the Pedophilia Epidemic in Hollywood
Corey Feldman details horrors of Hollywood pedophile ring
'Little House on the Prairie' star Alison Arngrim speaks out against sexual abuse in Hollywood
Dark side of Oz: The exploitation of Judy Garland
Elijah Wood claims Hollywood is 'gripped' by a powerful paedophile ring
Tom Brokaw, 1989 "White House Call Boy Scandal" Reagan / Bush White House Pedophile ring
[Original Content] The Franklin Scandal: An Exposé on a child abuse and trafficking ring centered around Nebraska and Washington D.C. Elite.
The Breaking UK VIP Pedophile Scandal - What We Know So Far.
The Breaking UK VIP Paedophile Scandal. What We Know So Far (Mainstream Sources). I Just Wanted To Put It All In One Place.
The UK Breaking Pedophile Scandal - What We Know So Far (Mainstream Sources). Part II.
The UK Breaking Pedophile Scandal - What We Know So Far (Mainstream Sources). Part IV.
Jimmy Savile sexual abuse scandal - Wikipedia
Britain's shame: Evidence mounts of child-abuse cover-up
60 Minutes on the UK Gov. Pedophile Ring Network - YouTube
Tory child abuse whistleblower: 'I supplied underage rent boys for Margaret Thatcher's cabinet ministers' : worldnews
I saw MP kill boy at paedophile party, says alleged victim
Claims that boys were murdered by VIP sex ring are credible and true - police
VIP paedophile scandal: Police pinpoint 'dungeon' flat linked to abuse parties and child murder
Cyril Smith - Sexual and physical abuse allegations - Wikipedia
Retired officer claims GMP covered up Cyril Smith being at a house with boys and known sex offender
Cyril Smith was spared court because he would have exposed other high-profile child abusers says former police detective
Cyril Smith held at paedophile sex party but police told 'cover it up' or face prosecution under the Official Secrets Act
MI5 and Special Branch 'covered up Cyril Smith's abuse of boys': Police dossier handed to prosecutors in 1970 'went missing for four decades'
Special Branch repeatedly covered up Cyril Smith's abuse of children
"Why I fear this monstrous sex abuse cover-up is FAR worse than we know" by Simon Danczuk, the MP who first exposed the Cyril Smith scandal
Cabinet office in child abuse cover-up: MoS beats attempt by No10 to gag VIP file that shows Thatcher knew about paedophile MP Cyril Smith
The alleged paedophile ring at the heart of the British Establishment
Thatcher 'Turned Blind Eye' To Paedophile MPs
How Thatcher’s Government Covered Up a VIP Pedophile Ring
Cyril Smith: Detective claims three probes were stopped
CPS forced to disclose damning police report on Cyril Smith
Margaret Thatcher 'personally covered up' child abuse allegations against senior ministers
Westminster child abuse scandal: KGB and CIA kept secret dossiers on Britain's VIP paedophiles; Both Russian and US intelligence knew about a group of powerful paedophiles operating in Britain and the KGB hoped to blackmail them in exchange for information
1 MissType 2018-05-03
A couple more relating to Dolphin Square:
I was sexually abused at Establishment paedophile parties
Westminster paedophile ring: Top Tory MP 'murdered girl at vile orgy' claims new witness
1 bignuke87 2018-05-03
all this and not one creepy biden vid i am disappint
1 leftistpatriot 2018-05-03
The original "Pedogate" and its original researchers were all focused on nationwide U.S. military and religious organized pedophilia.
Now that is almost entirely ignored, and a politically-weaponized focus has replaced the old guard. I wonder who would want that?
The shift took place around 2012.
Here's an example of Dave McGowan talking about the nationwide military pedo-rings of the early 1980s -- pre-Clinton, pre-Podesta, and covered up by U.S. Attorney Rudy Giuliani, who would later exploit "Pizzagate" with the help of the NYPD.
1 leftistpatriot 2018-05-03
And Franklin Scandal victim Paul Bonacci stated that Lawrence King's pedo-ring was operated out of Fort Offutt. Bonacci said they knew LK at the guard gate, and waved him through without ID.
Dutroux victims pointed the original investigators (who were removed) at Belgium's NATO headquarters.
Australian elite-pedo whistleblower Fiona Barnett (now missing as of late 2017) said she was a child sex slave on U.S. military bases.
1 DawnPendraig 2018-05-03
https://fionabarnett.org she appears to be back
1 IanPhlegming 2018-05-03
IF it's really her.
1 Irons_in_the_fire 2018-05-03
FYI, Offutt is an Air Base, not a Fort.
1 gametheory94 2018-05-03
If you're interested in the US military and human/child trafficking you should read this
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6fep0r/a_rare_story_of_elite_human_trafficking_we_found/?st=JGVGAPOZ&sh=0051ed75
It's a disturbing but fascinating account of a young runaway who became a prostitute and had multiple encounters with law enforcement, military, businessman, cults, gangs, and talks about underground military bases. It could all be BS but it was pretty detailed and I don't see why anyone would make all that up.
1 c0ldsh0w3r 2018-05-03
It's almost as if you've never watched Ancient Aliens...
1 illogictc 2018-05-03
One of the signs someone is not being truthful is oversharing so who knows
1 aaaaaaaaaaanonymous 2018-05-03
The name Arun Rao is connected through James Alefantis’ Instagram. He works for the DOJ and he is also responsible for prosecuting human traffickers. Many people have accurately pointed out between Arun Rao and Andrew Kline, this may be the most significant incident of the ‘fox guarding the hen house’ we have ever seen.
1 bukvich 2018-05-03
The isgp article Beyond the Dutroux Affair is the single best source on the topic I have ever seen on the internet. Since the last time I looked at it one of the update captions is:
ARTICLE IS GOOGLE-BANNED SINCE 2017;
The site is filled with well-sourced work.
1 quantumcipher 2018-05-03
Indeed, and I would that a badge of honor, personally.
1 djm123412 2018-05-03
Thanks good info I saved for reading for later. 👌🏻👍🏻
1 oatzeel 2018-05-03
Where does Israel factor in based on your research so far?
1 quantumcipher 2018-05-03
About the same as the US, the UK, France or any other country for that matter.
1 JoeyBulgaria 2018-05-03
Deconstructing the “dominoes on cheese/pasta phrase using the Podesta emails:
—
So the dominoes on cheese than on pasta phrase is frequently cited as if it’s an example of some pedo code. Podesta didn’t even write that email he just received it. But with some context, which I’ve provided, it seems like a joke from an old man, Herbert Sandler. Which it is.
They were vacation buddies on Martha’s Vineyard who would play dominoes together, hence the reference to playing dominoes. The “cheese or pasta” refers to Christmas presents Podesta sent Sandler
Here’s the full email:
On Thursday, December 24, 2015, Sandler, Herbert wrote:
Mary and John
I think you should give notice when changing strategies which have been long in place. I immediately realized something was different by the shape of the box and I contemplated who would be sending me something in the square shaped box. Lo and behold, instead of pasta and wonderful sauces, it was a lovely, tempting assortment of cheeses, Yummy. I am awaiting the return of my children and grandchildren from their holiday travels so that we can demolish them.
Thank you so much. I hope you and your gang are well.
I miss you both
Best wishes fro a merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
Herb
Ps. Do you think I’ll do better playing dominos on cheese than on pasta?
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There are precious references before this email to Sandler and Podesta playing dominos on vacation together in the Podesta emails:
https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/53525
https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/34860
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For more context:
From this email in May 2014:
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/52344
From this email in February 2015
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/7074
That’s how we know they vacationed together on Martha’s Vineyard
—
From this email, July 2015 (the dates above established as when Sadler is in Martha’s Vineyard)
https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/37971
Shows they’ve played dominoes before in “MV” (Martha’s Vineyard), jokingly accuses Podesta of making up the rules as he goes
—
From this email, December 2014
https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/15543
That’s how we know he has gifted Sandler pasta the year before
—
the original email I quoted says
So instead of getting pasta like he had the last year, he got cheeses this year.
The joke is “do you think I’ll play dominoes better (remember, he got “whipped” on his last vacation) having ate the cheese you gifted me this year rather than the pasta you gifted me last year?”
1 frisbee_coach 2018-05-03
https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/693544.html#q693544
8chan thread tracking all human trafficking arrests in the past year.
1 Ieuan1996 2018-05-03
If we're doing info dumps I've got some links to a load of original/early days pizzagate stuff.
Cheesebay/Biff Skipman/Molokai, Hawaii, Haiti etc etc
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/71e9c2/z/dnanhnt
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7e4zw4/z/dq31bvu
1 HeyJesusBringMeABeer 2018-05-03
That's the good stuff right there. Bif Skipman is a head scratcher.
1 Ieuan1996 2018-05-03
I know, right! That was one of the things that made me realise there's actually something real fucky with it all. At first I was just thinking that it was a money laundering operation... But that's only part of it. Why would anyone launder money unless they were selling something illegal. But "drugs" just didn't fit the bill.
1 mastigia 2018-05-03
Removed spam copypasta.
1 frisbee_coach 2018-05-03
Good work. Thank you mods.
1 JoeyBulgaria 2018-05-03
With all due respect, how is it spam? The “dominoes on cheese or on pasta” has been cited as “evidence” regarding Pizzagate in threads such as this one
I provided context using primary sources, about a phrase that is commonly cited regarding pizzagate. Was the issue that it’s been posted before? What rule is that a violation of?
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
There's also another copy pasta sitting in the thread unremoved.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8gqit5/rconspiracy_round_table_13_pizzapedogate_and/dyds282
1 HeyJesusBringMeABeer 2018-05-03
That's the kind of red pill we want to see at the top of this thread, not a debunk. The debunks are fine, just not as the authoritative top comment for an entire round table discussion. You do know how top comments can be authoritative right?
1 EveryoneisOP3 2018-05-03
Why would you not want to see a debunk at the top of a round table discussion? Do you just want to speculate wildly with no regard for alternate viewpoints?
1 HeyJesusBringMeABeer 2018-05-03
Didn't I just explain that? Top comment is the representative for the entire thread. It's just the way Reddit works because it's a linear forum. We don't need a debunk representing the entire thread, it doesn't make sense and doesn't promote discussion or debate.
I actually agree with the debunk, but I don't think it should be the top comment because it creates a false consensus that "this conversation is over" or "everyone thinks this is BS so I shouldn't read further", when in fact it is a complex topic with several avenues of discussion and tons of loose ends still.
And because TMOR is behind the up voting on it, and also stirring up drama to distract from the conversation, their activities in this sub should be nullified by any means. They are deliberately trying to make conspiracy research look misguided and irresponsible.
1 mastigia 2018-05-03
I really kinda consider most of your "work" to be "spam" to be perfectly honest Joey.
I see you riding to the top on the fast track with a doc that probably took at least 2 people an hour to put together...1hr in to our round table. And you see Joey, I see a problem there. The math doesn't work. The math never works with you guys that come in here with your anti-conspiracy garbage.
I would reevaluate my life, my goals, my duty as a human? That is what I would do if I were you. Because we are going to have this here conversation buddy.
1 veritas_liberates 2018-05-03
https://i.imgur.com/I6E7lnJ.jpg
1 JoeyBulgaria 2018-05-03
Would you say the same thing about this post, which has an even greater amount of links aggregated, posted at a similar time?
What’s wrong with providing context to a statement that has been, when stripped of context, made out to be part of “pedo code” but makes sense with the context?
and I still don’t understand what rule I broke? can mods remove comments without citing a rule? /u/axolotl_peyotl, you’d know better than me, is this allowed?
1 HeyJesusBringMeABeer 2018-05-03
I think it's more so the fact that we don't really need the top comment in a thread (especially a stickied round table thread) to be a debunk of some kind. I don't mind the debunks and if it's about what I think it is then you're probably right, but the problem is when your debunk shoots to the top (seems fishy, mostly TMOR would up vote something like this) and makes the rest of the thread less attractive by nature. It's called forum sliding, whether intentional or not. Maybe just repost the debunk now that it's not going to be the top comment.
1 CWPL-21 2018-05-03
His comment was removed for spam, not forum sliding/brigading. So according to the mods, posting the full extent of the Podesta emails is now spam. Make of that what you will.
1 HeyJesusBringMeABeer 2018-05-03
You're just interpreting things incorrectly. Forum sliding can be considered spam.
1 CWPL-21 2018-05-03
Read the followup be the mods. He is literally being told everything he post is spam. If the mods deem what you post the be in bad faith, they can delete it as spam on a whim. everything.
Also is reeks of gate keeping. Post anything arguing against the premise of the post, leave.
"I would reevaluate my life, my goals, my duty as a human? That is what I would do if I were you" great response from a mod right?
1 HeyJesusBringMeABeer 2018-05-03
There is no easy way to moderate a forum like this. It's a double edge sword because eventually you have to be the authority on something, basically the opposite of what we're trying to do here by getting others to think for themselves. Eventually the power structure running this sub becomes the very monster they were once fighting against. No easy way around that. But you've just gotta draw a line somewhere, or else the whole thing becomes a shit show.
1 CWPL-21 2018-05-03
There is a difference between Harsh/strong moderating and what I personally have seen in this thread. This is closer to a tantrum.
Would you agree that it could have been handled better and clearer? Maybe we can agree on that at least.
1 HeyJesusBringMeABeer 2018-05-03
I added more to my comment above.
I'd say they handled it alright, but could have been a bit more clear.
People just need to know this sub is under fire constantly by mischief makers. It's nearly impossible to sort the good intentions from the bad intentions sometimes. So a line just has to be drawn. Joey will survive, everything will be OK. He should just repost his comment like I said.
1 CWPL-21 2018-05-03
If nothing changed except the mods comments in this thread I would feel better. But they are just so antagonistic and aggressive, it comes across almost childish. Like it not healthy for the sub in the long run, I think.
1 HeyJesusBringMeABeer 2018-05-03
Well what bothers me is that they make a rule against calling someone a shill, yet behind closed doors they are categorizing who they think are shills.
1 CWPL-21 2018-05-03
I've been called a sockpuppet nadthe problem with the sub by mod in this thread. I've done nothing but disagree with his style of moderating. Rules absolute does not get applied to the mods or who the mods agree with.
1 HeyJesusBringMeABeer 2018-05-03
You have to look at the bigger, bigger picture though.
This sub is still doing alright. Conspiracy theories are still being discussed with enthusiasm. People are being red pilled and waking up. That's great! That's all I really want from a sub like this.
There are going to be innocent bystanders hit by a stray bullet. Hopefully they will recognize it's just water under the bridge.
1 CWPL-21 2018-05-03
If the sub is run by people I don't trust to be fair, how am I supposed to believe in it?
I know it would never happen, but I just wan't simple rules, harsh or not don't matter, applied dispassionately. I feel there is to much ego involved.
1 HeyJesusBringMeABeer 2018-05-03
It's an obstacle, but you need to realize fairness is subjective and nobody is perfect. Spend enough time here and it becomes a nonissue. It's the most diverse place I've found, where the members have enough trust to talk to one another about any idea with an open mind, but enough distrust to avoid falling into a hive mind mechanic.
1 CWPL-21 2018-05-03
I would agree that the users seems to be pretty diverse, but I strongly disagree with the open mind thing.
Any post about a political subject descends into low effort name calling and people screaming shill til they are blue in the head.
I have no idea how you have avoided that.
1 HeyJesusBringMeABeer 2018-05-03
Politics are the damn Holy Grail of conspiracy. Of course that's where all the action is :D I usually just try to learn new things from the comments (skip over the drama), or drop some knowledge I already have about the topic and move on. The biggest distraction here is the drama that plays out from name calling.
1 CWPL-21 2018-05-03
My point was just most discussions on here descend into mudslinging and shill accusations, thats a constant problem.
I mostly stay out of political threads on reddit because of that, I didn't this time and immediately it went to shit.
1 HeyJesusBringMeABeer 2018-05-03
There used to be a mod here TheGhostOfDusty. I was super suspicious of his behavior. He always wanted to enforce the rules strictly and fairly between everyone. He always had problems with one thing or another. He hated seeing any discussion about Pizzagate. He always caused drama about things. He was fucking full of himself, and now here he is acting in bad faith like our worst enemy, playing for team TMOR and making a whole bunch of drama out of this thread in an attempt to smear the mods and get back at them because he still has an axe to grind:
https://np.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/8gsqkt/top_mod_hypocritically_engages_in_personal_attack/
Hopefully that puts a few things in perspective. It's an ongoing battle. Some switch sides. But the true nature of the sub is still here, red pills are being dished out, so I can't really complain who comes and goes as moderator. My own power is expressed through sheer research and not having to deal with drama. I'd rather research than deal with drama. The mods don't have an easy job especially when ego gets in the way, and let's be honest we all have an ego hiding somewhere.
1 CWPL-21 2018-05-03
So? I would have hated his moderating, it sounds terrible. Posting Pizzagate on a conspiracy forum makes perfect sense, I just happen to not believe it.
After all this back and forth, you still assume I don't like the moderation because of partisan reasons. I specifically said I wanted mods the abstain from that sort of behavior.
1 HeyJesusBringMeABeer 2018-05-03
Dusty was the "ideal mod" in most people's minds, but it didn't work out.
We also had a really great mod here Orangutan who was kicked out for having financial ties to a 9/11 movement. But he was an excellent mod.
What I'm saying is, everyone's different and each person brings along their demons and convictions. We've had two "ideal" moderators who didn't last, and perhaps for good reason. It's probably for the best that things keep flowing and chairs keep changing.
1 CWPL-21 2018-05-03
I never said they would be "ideal", stop implying that. You bring up mods I don't know as if I suggested they were good examples of impartial mods. Dusty sounds like a biased powertripper and Orangutan had i financial tie that disqualified him. I feel ok with both of them being de-modded.
Everyone brings their own biases, but I would hope they don't apply them to their modding decisions. Right now, I can't say that at all.
1 HeyJesusBringMeABeer 2018-05-03
I said they were ideal to a lot of people. I bring them up because they should have been the star mods who appeal to everyone, but they weren't. The point being, there is no mod who is fit for everyone. You may find yourself in a situation where you think a mod fulfills all of your ideals, but chances are, they are pissing someone else off at the same time. Orangutan for example.
I've sometimes thought I would make a great mod here, until I realized people can and will find any reason to question your authoritative actions, and from there, it becomes a game of wit and ego. I'd rather not get dragged into that when I'm here to research conspiracies not play a part in a soap opera. I'd rather just swing the ban hammer heavy and hard at those people and not look back or care who I pissed off. So I don't think I'd make a good mod, even with all the insight and understanding I have about the nature of it.
1 CWPL-21 2018-05-03
All I ask for from a mod is this, dont engage. Do your modding and nothing else. Ban, delete, be harsh, be fair, just dont make it personal. Don't make it about you.
You may feel differently, but I strongly feel the sub would be better if mods just didn't antagonize the people they mod.
This thread should just have been put in contest mode and move on. All the mocking just makes you are target for people outside the sub and distances people not in agreement with you.
1 HeyJesusBringMeABeer 2018-05-03
Agreed. It got a little too personal. That ego, man.
1 CWPL-21 2018-05-03
yeah, I'm sure you have had a similar experience somewhere on reddit. This is by no means exclusive to conspiracy by any means.
People on the internet sucks.
1 mastigia 2018-05-03
You come here in bad faith. You poison threads. You interfere with people's ability to learn and decide for themselves. I'm sick to death of banning all you and your buddies' sock puppets. I want you to leave of your own accord.
1 CWPL-21 2018-05-03
Wow, really?
Podesta is in the title, how does posting his emails in full not contribute? If you honestly don't believe Podesta rapes kids are you not allowed to discuss?
1 mastigia 2018-05-03
No, by all means, dispute the info.
All Joey does though, is very carefully shit on all conspiracy topics. With miraculous amounts of votes taking him right to the top. It is synthetic consensus. I actually think it is dangerous for me to poke someone like him this hard. I have probably banned 5 or 10 of his alts(conservative estimate) over the last couple years. I'm actually tagging you right now to track on if you are one of his sock puppets. No offense. Just some unknown account poking a mod when he is so obviously out of fucks doesn't make a ton of sense.
I'm not at a PC, I can't really look, how many comments have you made in this sub before now?
1 CWPL-21 2018-05-03
I dont know, around 5 I would guess. You can go through my history if you feel suspicious about me, its fine.
Btw, if you truly believe he is avoiding bans and acting in bad faith, by all means keep banning him. I just feel from reading this thread you are in the wrong, thats all.
1 mastigia 2018-05-03
Hahaha.
1 CWPL-21 2018-05-03
Dude, I just don't agree with your moderating in this thread. I don't know why this has to be a bigger deal than that.
But I guess you know everything about me after like 10 minutes, I have a feeling nothing I say will change that.
1 JoeyBulgaria 2018-05-03
1 - I talk about conspiracies, I can find examples if you don’t believe me. They may not be the same conspiracies that interest you but they’re conspiracies nonetheless
2 - how is providing context or sources or counter arguments for something “shitting on a conspiracy”?
3 - I’ve never had an alt account, much less an alt account banned.
4 - What makes the upvotes I get “miraculous” or “suspicious”? Why can’t it just be that people agree with me?
5 - why did you dodge my question about the other post, with even more aggregated links, being allowed to stay up?
1 mastigia 2018-05-03
The stats are in! No post history here in 5 months....hmmm
How long do we ignore what is going on?
Real users of this sub...are you sick of this?
1 CWPL-21 2018-05-03
Jesus man, I just disagree with you. Why is that such a big deal?
Also thank you for the awesome pm's I'm sure are coming my way after you decided I'm the problem with the sub.
1 mastigia 2018-05-03
You should see my PMs lol. This shot is glorious!
1 CWPL-21 2018-05-03
Yeah I don't want you to get shitty PMs, so this doesn't really change my perspective of you blowing me up for no reason.
You have a lot more sway with people in this sub than me, I never really post here. So it kind of felt like you are setting the dogs on me with that type of comment.
1 mastigia 2018-05-03
Comments like this give me hope.
1 CWPL-21 2018-05-03
Ok, good for you I guess?
1 Villainary 2018-05-03
If that's posion, what do you call mods using alts here to sway discussion?
1 not_really_ashamed 2018-05-03
To me it looked like you had that comment ready to go for this thread or whenever someone asked about PizzaGate. You've copy-pasted before and it seems unnecessary. Copy-pasting comments as a reply to a comment or thread makes what you have to say look less genuine.
1 JoeyBulgaria 2018-05-03
My comment itself was relevant to PizzaGate, I used the Podesta emails to show how the “dominoes on pasta” email makes sense with context. It’s relevant to the topic at hand, yeah? I’d posted it before, but I posted it here because I thought it would add to the discussion. It’s a collection of primary sources, it’s not like there’s anything to rephrase. I wasn’t really trying to “say anything” with my own voice, per se, I just compiled some of the emails to tell their own story
1 Dot_Dodi_Ent 2018-05-03
It doesn't make sense because it's code.
1 quantumcipher 2018-05-03
I don't agree with the removal of your comment, and not entirely with the comment itself either. Regardless, your comment appears to have been re-approved since. Though it's worth noting, if all or the majority your posts to a given forum or subreddit are entirely or nearly entirely in opposition of said forum or subreddit, it shouldn't be surprising you would receive greater scrutiny as a result. I'm not saying that's right, just the way nearly every forum and sub operates, more or less. I try to be as impartial as humanly possible, personally, when I moderate, and understand that's not as easy for most to do instinctually. Perhaps one of the worst examples of biased moderation are /r/worldnews, /r/politics, and /r/The_Donald, where users are routinely banned without reason for having an unpopular opinion, or simply because the mods disagree with the user's point of view, in spite of no rule violation being present.
1 pizzagate_researcher 2018-05-03
The sidebar says this sub is for discussion. Presenting an argument and debunking it are both part of a discussion. That's why even mods here spend time/energy debunking conspiracy theories (e.g. Russia-Trump related ones).
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1 HeyJesusBringMeABeer 2018-05-03
You guys are too predictable. It's quite hilarious.
So much for this sub! Cancel it! Pull it! Proooooof
1 argalarga 2018-05-03
It's worth remembering that so much of the "evidence" for Pizzagate consists of out of context snippets of emails that were hacked and dumped by Russian intelligence.
1 Globie2017 2018-05-03
No. This is an assumption, not a fact.
1 exkreations 2018-05-03
It's hardly even an assumption, it's the narrative.
1 Just-For-Porn-Gags 2018-05-03
Thats bullshit. The people who hacked them told everyone how they did it. His password was literally p@ssword
1 Blustatecoffee 2018-05-03
I know you don't want to hear this (and you'll probably think I'm some sort of troll, rather than a middle aged New Englander and mother), but this is the way people my age (50s-60s) write, socially.
Yes, it is. It's idiomatically correct, complete with weekends 'at the farm' and 'being entertained by the grandkids in the pool'. It's the way a certain slice of polite society writes, semi-formally.
I enjoy Reddit and find this sub fascinating at times, and I'm not commenting on the broader topic here. But regarding these emails: you have this piece (at least) wrong. This is, in fact, the way socially well connected, good friends communicate.
1 JoeyBulgaria 2018-05-03
I don’t think we’re disagreeing! I’m trying to argue that this exchange is just an innocuous set of emails friends sent each other back and forth and nothing else!
1 Dot_Dodi_Ent 2018-05-03
What were podestas responses?
1 Blustatecoffee 2018-05-03
Oh, good. Sorry that I misunderstood.
It is the one piece that I do wish people would drop, or at least de-emphasize. Many media people would be baffled by these types of emails trotted out as evidence of some heinous crime.
(It's the inversion of us older people thinking anything posted on 4chan is from a Russian hacker. It's eye roll inducing and lowers the credibility of anything else said.)
1 Deaconblues18 2018-05-03
Thank you for this. I honestly believe that some of the people that harp on what is said in some of those emails have ZERO clue on how some people speak to each other. In life it is important to be able to discern. Some around here don’t have that gift.
1 NorthKoreanDetergent 2018-05-03
IMO, this is the weakest part of the pizzagate 'evidence'
The 'real meanings' of these 'codes' were just a random image post on 4chan, nothing backing them up.
The real sort of 'damning' thing that I've never really seen an adequate explanation for is James Alefetanis' instagram profile. Some real eye-brow raising stuff on there, with ACTUAL pedo-slang. No one has ever really explained why his insta profile picture is Antinous.
Also, Alefetanis has showed up on 4chan and threatened a pizzagate researcher with veiled threats of grievous bodily harm.
I've dug so deep into this shit, and once you do, you realize 'pizzagate' is a bad term, because it makes people think, 'oh yah, children in a hidden basement in a pizza parlor, riiiiight' But the real issue is political pedophilia, which has been shown time and time again, in court documents no less, to exist. Once you understand the profile of a psychopath, you can begin to understand how most people in high positions of power ARE psychopaths; from there, it makes sense that they'd get off on 'the destruction of something innocent', as it's the most transgressive thing ever and THEY can do it, also because it's the ultimate feeling of being God. These people don't experience empathy, compassion, fear, anxiety...they can only feel 'power'.
TL;DR - political pedophilia is real, 'pizzagate' is kind of a misnomer for what this investigation has become.
1 JimmyZeus 2018-05-03
one hundred percent this. and to understand that the lefts hard push for sexual acceptance also includes that of pedophilia, and that this issue is global and not just within the usa. in the uk for example is career politician over here Harriet Harman actually put her name on a legal document supporting a group known as PIE(Pedophile information exchange) who supported relationships between pedophiles and young male adolescents claiming: “Paedophiles are ordinary, decent, sensible human beings, no more sexually depraved than yourself, and with a capacity for loving and helping children which is at present being repressed.”
If you, or I, were to go to work tomorrow and even suggest that we supported such views we would be fired and persecuted by those amongst us. However, for politicians this isn't damning? It shows how rife it.
Is this ancient wealth retaining ancient customs ala the ancient greeks and their boy-loving ways? #pedocracy
1 PackaBowllio28 2018-05-03
Ancient Romans as well and they might not be quite as ancient as we think.
1 TormundMembersOnly 2018-05-03
The one email I’d like an explanation for is the pizza related map handkerchief. That is the one that gets me.
1 illogictc 2018-05-03
Question, if he showed up in 4chan how do we know it was him? I could claim to be anyone.
1 Gravybadger 2018-05-03
Nicely put.
The only reason Pizza has any connection to pedogate is that on 4chan, CP is referred to as Cheese Pizza (CP). To 4channers, pizza is synonymous with CP.
1 Just-For-Porn-Gags 2018-05-03
What about the 7, 8 and 9 year olds in the pool for their entertainments?
1 Woodchipper_AF 2018-05-03
A Podesta apologist. Haha
1 talleyhooo 2018-05-03
Does anyone find it suspicious that the "facts" of pizzagate are all a republican's wet dream? Hillary Clinton and her campaign manager running an elite sex ring out of a pizza shop along with other DNC heavyweights? Without a single victim having come forward?
1 Rayfloyd 2018-05-03
Can't come forward if they're in the ground or dissolved..
1 IrishmanErrant 2018-05-03
Can't come forward if they never existed, either. And since there's no evidence of them existing at all...
1 talleyhooo 2018-05-03
Must be a hell of an operation without a single leak
1 Rayfloyd 2018-05-03
130k employees and no leaks: Manhattan project
Funny how that works huh
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
The Manhattan Project did leak and the USSR even had spies working on the project.
https://io9.gizmodo.com/secrets-of-the-manhattan-project-were-leaked-a-staggeri-1626524763
http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2013/09/20/worst-manhattan-project-leaks/
1 Ieuan1996 2018-05-03
Spies =/= leaks
1 prettymuchhatereddit 2018-05-03
Secrets of the Manhattan Project Leaked 1500 Times During World War II
1 Smeldon_G_Skidmark 2018-05-03
Early 1940's vs. late 2010's... nope, no difference there.
People working on a government project which they believe is vital to the interest of the country vs. people fucking/killing/eating children... nope, no difference there, either.
Really poor analogy.
1 talleyhooo 2018-05-03
There were leaks in the Manhattan project. Not to mention spies. Not to mention the difference between keeping a secret in 1945 and in 2018.
1 insidiousFox 2018-05-03
You should watch the Netflix documentary Who Took Johnny?. It kind of touches on how deep the conspiracy can go through a power structure, and how difficult it is to find witnesses, and to even believe them when they tell their story. The documentary FYI follows the story of one abductee and survivor, from childhood to when he escaped and came forward in adulthood.
1 LosJones 2018-05-03
Excellent documentary and a truly heartbreaking story. Noreen Gosch is one of my heroes.
1 DawnPendraig 2018-05-03
Not really. Not when they have dirt on everyone or means to create it for the few righteous police or politicians. Or just threaten family or blow up their car - Michael Hastings.
1 Reality_is_a_scam 2018-05-03
it's not just Hilary tho. Bush administration/s? had call boys.
1 garyp714 2018-05-03
They were homosexuals liaisons between adults.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_J._Spence
Lumping them with pedophile claims is disingenuous and homophobic.
1 Herculius 2018-05-03
Part of the reason they're lumped in is Bush's involvement in covering up Hampstead.
1 LosJones 2018-05-03
Isn't it weird that Bush also had a large role in convicting an innocent man in the case of the Atlanta Child Murders?
The man convicted said he had been set up, and had been recruited by the CIA which Bush had previously been the head of.
1 DawnPendraig 2018-05-03
Not that weird. The Kelly girls thing is so sick. Trying to get a copy of one autobiography of a woman who was victim to Bob Hope and loaned out to Kissinger and Bush she says. Nightmares reading such things but we owe her courage as many witnesses as we can.
I also got Moira Greyland's new book. So horrid to see the Sci fi/fantasy authors of the 80s and 90s had such an evil rot within and a "feminist" author abusing her daughter and children. Sick sick sick
1 Reality_is_a_scam 2018-05-03
you sure they were all of age??
lol and im far from homophobic.
1 saveourvotes 2018-05-03
Craig Spence hosted parties that provided any kind of sex his guests wanted, including with children. Although he was certainly hiring the services of an adult male prostitution service, he was also a partner of Larry King's pedophile network.
1 zhanli 2018-05-03
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTitnDgw3Gc
1 TheCIASellsDrugs 2018-05-03
The "How dare you" method of disrupting a discussion.
The Washington Times reported there were "call boys," not adults. The book The Franklin Scandal explains:
1 garyp714 2018-05-03
A discussion built on lies deserves a disruption and a challenge for that matter.
1 treeslooklikelamb 2018-05-03
WHO is lying?
1 MrQuizzles 2018-05-03
"Call boys" are adult male prostitutes. Don't get hung up on the word "boy". In the gay community, we often use the word "boy" to describe adults, usually under 25. Similar to how "Call girls" in the straight world refers to adult prostitutes. Or do you think "Girls Gone Wild" is a series of pedo flics?
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-05-03
That is completely untrue. The youngest member was 13, the oldest 22.
1 jcash21 2018-05-03
Yep! Also a 'Hit and Run' tactic. I seriously doubt he'll come back and respond to this.
1 LosJones 2018-05-03
Senator John DeCamp of Nebraska represented children in court and his book who had specifically accused George Bush Sr of child molestation.
There is a lot of interesting evidence and testimony about it, and even more about the cover up that followed. He's just one example.
1 enrico_the_frog 2018-05-03
Its no kind of stretch to connect paraphilias
1 garyp714 2018-05-03
Yes, yes it most certainly is.
1 enrico_the_frog 2018-05-03
They connect themselves. It's just being objective to describe a repeating natural pattern.
1 trevmon 2018-05-03
no since that's not the case and trump is an Epstein pal
1 IronTeacup246 2018-05-03
A lot of conservatives who believe pizzagate is real believe it is bipartisan and that the Bush family was involved.
1 talleyhooo 2018-05-03
The current republican party (as run by Trump) is extremely anti-bush, so that does not change my argument
1 IronTeacup246 2018-05-03
The current republican party hates Trump and consistently makes decisions and moves that further ostracize the chunk of Americans that solidly support Trump. They dragged Bush senior out to make comments about Trump's performance as president and candidate and tried to get Dubya to do the same. Don't forget that Jeb had full establishment backing too.
1 talleyhooo 2018-05-03
The leader of the RNC chopped off part of her last name for Emperor Trump.
The speaker of the house refuses to do anything without the express approval of papa trump. Mitch McConnnel? HAH!
You let me know who in the republican party leadership is standing up to Trump. That ship is being run by Trumpists through-and-through. The voices against Trump are marginalized, and not even running for reelection.
1 chilover20 2018-05-03
They tried until they received public backlash. Obama care? Tax cuts? The wall? They thought America voted in the Republican party. They got on their high horse which the public quickly bucked them off. We voted Trump. Republican party is just a usefull tool at this point and they know it.
1 chilover20 2018-05-03
BTW in Mitch McConnel's first meeting with Trump he said I don't want to hear anymore talk of draining the swamp. Mitch will be going done, just like Ryan. Either by his own hand or ours.
1 DawnPendraig 2018-05-03
From your lips to God's ears. Lots of Congress needs to go. Start with the 44ish Dems the #Awanbrothers traded Intel to Pakistan on/with and Ryan, Gowdy - first gotta remove his head stuck up Mueller's ass, Mitch McConnell etc etc. I hate to be that person but God seems to have taken cars of Songbird McCain.
Oh and the Dem who sent Pizzagate investigating Scalise's staff pizzas the day he got shot by Sanders loving child abuser sigh a " mean looking assault weapon". I need to remember his name because that is one disgusting move
1 D33PLyManic 2018-05-03
The RNC is not innocent
1 BunsTown 2018-05-03
Here is Cohen, having a cigar with a known sex trafficker... just the other day
The guy in the cigar buddy photo with Cohen is Tevfik Arif https://i.imgur.com/R5GeMtR.png
He’s a Russian Turk who was busted for sex trafficking in 2010 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/trump-associate-charged-running-prostitution-ring-article-1.187634
You can give him a google. He’s gone grey and balding since the photo with Trump.
1 Lyra_Fairview 2018-05-03
It would be very difficult for victims of human trafficking to just come forward, especially if they're very young kids, which they would be in this case; if not toddlers.
Actually I will link you to a victim: I was sexually assaulted 8 years ago by the Pizzagate guy, owner of Comet Ping Pong, James Alefantis AMA!
Very interesting case. A lot of info was scrubbed. I'm sure you can find some archives/screen shots out there. He posted a picture, but I'm not sure if it's in the thread. I know he 100% posted a picture. He would've had to put in a lot of effort to fake all of this.
Here are some alleged emails between the victim and James Alefantis: https://archive.is/SHacU
The story goes that James Alefantis raped the guy in the AMA, and he also raped Comet Ping Ping Co-Owner Carole Greenwood's son. He apparently raped him in the kitchen. Now I do remember reading an article where Carole's son stayed over in a big house together in Georgetown. I'll have to find that. My point is, they do have a link.
I think the question is, why did Carole Greenwood quit Comet Ping Pong? An article has stated that it was due to family reasons. Did James Alefantis do something to her son?
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1 pizzagate_researcher 2018-05-03
That person's claims involve them being an adult when sexually harassed. As bad as that might be (given that it's a completely anonymous accusation), it's no where near the accusations of pedophilia, murder, or trafficking.
Furthermore, when people ask for victims, they're not saying to show us victims coming forward. They are asking for evidence that the victims even exist. Were any of the accused behaving strangely right before a child they were involved with disappeared? Was blood found in their freezer? Do people consistently go missing after meeting them? These would be examples of some kind of evidence that the victims even exist.
Pizzagate simply has none of this evidence. Only anonymous accusations. And in the case of the link you sent, not even really "pizzagate"-related, since they were not a minor, and weren't trafficked or murdered. Like I said earlier, not excusing that behavior if it's actually true, but it hardly supports your claim that pizzagate victims exist.
1 Lyra_Fairview 2018-05-03
It means that if he has raped a young boy/man like the AMA alleges, then he is obviously more likely to rape/have already raped more young boys/men. Also how is it anonymous if he showed his face? He was verified by the moderators.
What are you talking about? When people ask for victims, they are absolutely asking for victims to come forward. Evidence that victims even exist? Did the pictures of toddlers with black/purple bags under their eyes (due to sleep deprivation in my opinion) not do it for you? The child chewing on Euros.
Actually since you want a bit more evidence than what I've already described, I'll link you a video from 2007. Washington neighborhood commissioner Frank Winstead staged a nighttime surveillance of a Northwest pizza place and put the resulting video up on YouTube -- In the background of this video, you can hear a young girl yelling for help! The couple walking by is confusingly turned around by the sound, as it is coming from Comet Ping Pong! It is NOT any of the children walking with the family, it is coming from Comet Ping Pong. It may even be coming from the sewer manhole... It is not a child "horsing around".
Frank Winstead had no idea what he captured. He was filming because he had a lot of bones to pick with Comet Ping Pong, one of them being Comet's wish to stay open until 3AM. Frank thought it would attract crime to the area.
In 2008, ANC Commissioner Frank Winstead accused the owner of Comet Ping Pong, James Alefantis, of "seeking to turn the quiet stretch of Connecticut Avenue in Forest Hills into a haven for rape and murder." During the course of the meeting, Winstead accused Comet owner James Alefantis of lying, cheating, stealing, spitting in a customers food, and encouraging both murderers and rapists.
1 leftistpatriot 2018-05-03
Australian elite-pedo victim Fiona Barnett, who was born into a pedo-ring run by a U.S. military network, said that the U.S. military breeds their own children for sex, slavery & sacrifice. The Finders were transporting children who had "never seen running water, television or electricity."
Fiona Barnett has been almost 100% ignored by this subreddit. She was loud & vocal for years, had her own podcast & website, and then she went missing in late 2017.
As of May 3, I guarantee you will find thousands of Pizzagate posts in a search of this subreddit. I guarantee you will find a couple dozen posts about Fiona Barnett maximum. Until later this week, so Reddit can cover their tracks. Fiona Barnett: A recently living witness who couldn't get the time of day from r/conspiracy. Maybe because she had no weaponized partisan political value?
Maybe also because she dared blame the U.S. military, with its vast budget & international resources? And every pre-Pizzagate pedo-ring scandal supports that conclusion? Meanwhile it looks like I'm supposed to pay more attention to a Pizza shop who flaunt pedo symbols, than to the multi-trillion-dollar Pentagon. Alefantis wants you to notice, but with no victims who will prosecute (unlike Franklin, Fiona or Dutroux, all with military connections).
1 treeslooklikelamb 2018-05-03
Has the police done an investigation to confirm re: evidence??
1 pizzagate_researcher 2018-05-03
https://twitter.com/FreeRadioRevolu/status/928755776985948160/photo/1
1 treeslooklikelamb 2018-05-03
Do you have links to the original report?
1 pizzagate_researcher 2018-05-03
I'm not sure what the "original report" would be, let alone where to find it. I think the guy I linked was replying to someone who uploaded some documents or something. Or you can submit a FOIA request, like they did. But I'm not sure what a report like this would say. I don't think there's much meaningful information that can be recorded (other than the allegations) when there's no witnesses of a crime (or victims).
Generally speaking, police investigate crimes, not people. It can get really murky, civil rights-wise, if police go around shaking people down for little/no reason. Without evidence of a crime, like a witness or a crime scene to pin on a suspect, there's not much for them to go on.
I've suggested in the past that pizzagaters hire a personal investigator, but I've never seen anything come of it. However, after researching the evidence/accusations myself, I'm not even sure any investigator would take the job (since I don't think the clients would be too happy with the results). The "evidence" Pizzagaters are going on basically boils down to accusations and speculation, mixed in with a hefty dose of lies/misleading information. And anybody who disagrees with them opens themselves up to personally targeted attacks, which I see happen all the time.
1 talleyhooo 2018-05-03
If I make an AMA stating without evidence that Trump and Putin pounded my asshole in a Moscow hotel in 2013, will you cite that as proof too?
1 TheCIASellsDrugs 2018-05-03
Will you promise to use all of the other disinformation tactics during your AMA? You're doing such a good job demonstrating them here.
1 LosJones 2018-05-03
Check out their account history.
1 Linquist 2018-05-03
Kind of an iffy link there.
1 Lyra_Fairview 2018-05-03
Changed to "I will link you to an alleged victim"
1 Linquist 2018-05-03
Cool. Also, that archive link of the emails isn't loading. Maybe check the URL?
1 Lyra_Fairview 2018-05-03
Works fine for me. It just takes a long time to load.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
FYI /u/SVMESSEFVIFVTVRVS doxxed himself in that email chain you posted.
1 leftistpatriot 2018-05-03
Australian elite-pedo victim Fiona Barnett, who was born into a pedo-ring run by a U.S. military network, said that the U.S. military breeds their own children for sex, slavery & sacrifice. The Finders were transporting children who had "never seen running water, television or electricity."
Fiona Barnett has been almost 100% ignored by this subreddit. She was loud & vocal for years, had her own podcast & website, and then she went missing in late 2017.
As of May 3, I guarantee you will find thousands of Pizzagate posts in a search of this subreddit. I guarantee you will find a couple dozen posts about Fiona Barnett maximum. Fiona Barnett: A recently living witness who couldn't get the time of day from r/conspiracy. Maybe because she had no weaponized partisan political value?
Maybe also because she dared blame the U.S. military, with its vast budget & international resources? And every pre-Pizzagate pedo-ring scandal supports that conclusion? Meanwhile it looks like I'm supposed to pay more attention to a Pizza shop who flaunt pedo symbols, than to the multi-trillion-dollar Pentagon. Alefantis wants you to notice, but with no victims (unlike Franklin, Fiona or Dutroux, all with military connections).
1 leftistpatriot 2018-05-03
Australian elite-pedo victim Fiona Barnett, who was born into a pedo-ring run by a U.S. military network, said that the U.S. military breeds their own children for sex, slavery & sacrifice. The Finders were transporting children who had "never seen running water, television or electricity."
Fiona Barnett has been almost 100% ignored by this subreddit. She was loud & vocal for years, had her own podcast & website, and then she went missing in late 2017.
As of May 3, I guarantee you will find thousands of Pizzagate posts in a search of this subreddit. I guarantee you will find a couple dozen posts about Fiona Barnett maximum. Until later this week, so Reddit can cover their tracks. Fiona Barnett: A recently living witness who couldn't get the time of day from r/conspiracy. Maybe because she had no weaponized partisan political value?
Maybe also because she dared blame the U.S. military, with its vast budget & international resources? And every pre-Pizzagate pedo-ring scandal supports that conclusion? Meanwhile it looks like I'm supposed to pay more attention to a Pizza shop who flaunt pedo symbols, than to the multi-trillion-dollar Pentagon. Alefantis wants you to notice, but with no victims who will prosecute (unlike Franklin, Fiona or Dutroux, all with military connections).
1 treeslooklikelamb 2018-05-03
It's funny, the people who cry for evidence of victims instantly discredit them when they're found.
I've seen people say that Ms. Barrett made everything up. Information warfare is real.
1 DawnPendraig 2018-05-03
Never heard of this case. Thanks I am going to research it. I hope she is ok.
I check new mostly all the time on this sub but for whatever reason never saw this. I do get overwhelmed being a survivor of family abuse as a kid and take several weeks breaks or more.
Maybe cut us some slack.
1 DawnPendraig 2018-05-03
She seems to be back. Top of my search just now: https://fionabarnett.org
1 Jerrimu 2018-05-03
>alleged emails
1 Lyra_Fairview 2018-05-03
What
1 troy_caster 2018-05-03
Did you copy and paste this from an article?
1 ABigBigThug 2018-05-03
This concerted effort to claim it was never about a pizza shop would work better if "pizza" wasn't in the name.
1 zhanli 2018-05-03
But The term "Pizzagate" is derived from the term "pizza" that is frequently found on odd context throughout the Podesta emails, not the comet ping pong connection.
1 anothername787 2018-05-03
No it isn't. It predates the discovery of the FBI paper, back when Podesta/Comet were first leaked.
1 zhanli 2018-05-03
The Bush and Reagan administrations we're investigated several years ago, for using the services of a call boy ring.
Nobody here is picking favorites, and part of branding the investigation as a partisan "witch hunt" was a way to smear our efforts.
Look up the Franklin scandal, several high level republicans were implicated.
1 leftistpatriot 2018-05-03
There are many significant and explosive U.S. and world pedo events involving current in-office leaders (across the political spectrum). But I never see them posted here.
I refuse to post them because Reddit is a potential military/intelligence propaganda wet dream, mods are unelected & unaccountable, and even this thread is being manipulated.
Moreover, as I wrote in this thread in a now-hidden comment, the Military-Industrial-Pedo Complex (as Eisenhower should have called it) is way bigger than a Pizza Shop or the Clinton Foundation. CF has $250 million, and the Pentagon has famously "lost" trillions. Why wouldn't the military love a decoy Clinton scandal? According to Fiona Barnett, the U.S. military breeds their own off-the-books children for sex, slavery & sacrifice. Why bother with risky human trafficking? They just breed their own -- which was also suggested by The Finders children who had never seen running water, television or electricity.
1 heythisis-myusername 2018-05-03
can you post that thread you replied in?
1 DJ_Dont_Panic 2018-05-03
Children take time to raise. That is why, even though there may be evidence for them breeding their own children, it's not always the easiest way.
1 DawnPendraig 2018-05-03
Plus the sick power and cruelty of taking someone's child and their innocence and their future. The power they wield over us deplorables.
1 bignuke87 2018-05-03
Youre right its scary to post the creepy biden videos especially
1 whistlingwhistlerer 2018-05-03
What do you mean?
1 bignuke87 2018-05-03
I dont want to say too much here but some searching you should be able to find it
1 osound 2018-05-03
he's referring to a benign video of Biden whispering into a little girl's ear during a public photo shoot at the White House.
there's nothing scary at all about it.
1 whistlingwhistlerer 2018-05-03
Lol I've seen the videos, and they ARE gross...he said there was something scary about posting them...I assumed he meant dealing with shills, but that's not that scary to me. Eat shit
1 jplvhp 2018-05-03
Also note Trump creating the perfect circumstances for child trafficking with their handling of immigrant children.
They are forcing pregnant minors to follow through with unwanted pregnancies and they have separated hundreds of children from their parents. They are placing the children with non-government groups, with little to no documentation for many of te children, and no set plan in place for how and when to reunite children with their parents. Many of these people are undocumented (quite literally) and from third world countries. The have little voice or power and many won't even have a means to prove they had a child with them in the first place.
1 DJ_Dont_Panic 2018-05-03
How did Trump create these circumstances? We're these not the circumstances before he was elected?
1 jplvhp 2018-05-03
It's his administrations policy, proposed last year:
It was supposedly a policy for families entering the country illegally. But they aren't only doing it to illegal immigrants or people charged with crimes. They are doing it to asylum seekers and people with no charges.
The handling of the children is concerning:
They were being very secretive about it and downplaying prevalence, but it was [recently revealed] that approximately 700 children have been separated from their parents:
1 DawnPendraig 2018-05-03
It is of concern for sure but remember Obama admin was busing them in by thousands and all across the country.
This needs to stop either way
1 The_Black_Stallion 2018-05-03
Fuck which president did it man. This 2 party system is the biggest smoke screen hindering us from banning together against our oppressive govt.
1 tmartillo 2018-05-03
I just read an article today in Time magazine about how the Dept who monitors taken immigrant children is missing 1475 out of 1500 who were taken from their families. This is a result of the Health and Human Service Dept. rolling back funding for this program 2 years ago. What's worse is that many believe these children have fallen into human trafficking.
here's the article http://time.com/5256734/government-missing-migrant-children/
1 alvinroasting 2018-05-03
So you're saying that budget constraints caused them to lose 98% of children taken from their families?
1 whistlingwhistlerer 2018-05-03
Dude a bunch of emails got dumped and we read through them and investigated the people in them and sending them and they were/are fucked
1 Say_no_to_booze 2018-05-03
If anyone has any doubts this "conspiracy" isn't 100% partisan, mention something about Trump and Epstein or Epstein and Acosta and watch if you get downvotes or upvotes.
1 DuplexFields 2018-05-03
I'll give it a try. Ahem.
According to that book on the Epstein evils, when Trump found out about Epstein's connections with underage rape stuff, he banned him from Mar-a-lago and his other properties.
1 Say_no_to_booze 2018-05-03
How about looking at Trump's own words?
> I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it -- Jeffrey enjoys his social life.
1 DuplexFields 2018-05-03
Apparently Mar-a-lago has confirmed Epstein is barred. Found the quote from "Filthy Rich" by James Patterson:
1 Say_no_to_booze 2018-05-03
So Trump knew Epstein for 15+ years and partied with Epstein and knew that Epstein fucked younger girls but was totally oblivious to them being <18? Sorry Charlie, but that doesn't pass the smell test.
Oh and then there's this of course.
1 pizzagate_researcher 2018-05-03
Are there any contemporary accounts of the incident? I couldn't find anything other than third-hand accounts after Epstein was already in trouble. James Patterson wrote this like a decade after Epstein's accusers went public and he doesn't cite any sources. The closest I could find was this article written when Epstein was already in some deep shit and it doesn't mention Trump at all (Epstein denied it, by the way).
Regardless, I'm not sure how much this account, if true, helps Trump. It means he was good friends with the guy for decades before another "wealthy" man made a big deal about. Sounds more like Epstein simply picked the wrong girl. The worst is they didn't even file a complaint with any authorities. Doesn't exactly make Trump look like the good guy here.
I can't be sure this story is completely fabricated, but I think it's fair to say that had this information been about Podesta, pizzagate proponents would probably not brush it off as readily.
1 DuplexFields 2018-05-03
Rich people know reporting each other to the authorities doesn't do anything. Getting wrongdoers or "wrongdoers" into the news, now, that's different.
1 facereplacer3 2018-05-03
That's bull crap. The Franklin Scandal had Bush and other republicans involved and I think it's all connected. Stop making this partisan.
1 Alliwantisaname 2018-05-03
What happened 73 days ago? I bet that was a weird day.
1 Jon_Bovie 2018-05-03
Pizzagate goes on both sides of the political isle. “Hillary Clinton and her campaign manager running an elite sex ring out of a pizza shop along with other DNC heavyweights” is disinformation. NXIVM is part of the “elite sex ring” without a doubt. Allison Mack is singing like a bird and she is just the tip of the iceberg. This is a global problem and it’s a global network.
1 Orangutan 2018-05-03
[ORIGINAL RESEARCH] The Mountain of Evidence for a Massive International Pedophile Ring Protected by Police and Intelligence Agencies
The top post on pizzagate before the subreddit was deleted... a message from a journalist to all journalists
One year after being shutdown and locked, the full truth of the /r/Pizzagate Subreddit is revealed by its founding moderator. The Establishment Media would hate for this to resurface. The Truth Has No Bias: The Real Origins Of /r/Pizzagate & The Pizzagate/Pedogate Movement.
/r/PizzaGate had almost 25,000 subscribers before being removed and censored by Reddit Execs: A Pizzagate Summary
Reddit Bans #Pizzagate Investigation. The Corbett Report Continues It.
1 zhanli 2018-05-03
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-GZFHLAcG8A
Here's Ben Swann's Pizzagate report from last year. His social media went dark after this video.
1 FrankJewelberg 2018-05-03
Idk if you know about it but /r/greatawakening would love your work. I know you’ve been doing this since the beginning, and it’s all good work. Apparently we’re getting close.
1 Brodusgus 2018-05-03
I'm just surprised the actress from the show Smallville is being charged for exactly what the post is trying to talk about.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
What age were the victims she recruited?
1 Brodusgus 2018-05-03
Does sex trafficking draw a line at age?
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
Well, no. I was just curious if you knew the ages involved. I haven't followed that story closely.
1 tmartillo 2018-05-03
Raniere has a history of inappropriate relationships with 12-15 yo in the 80s wouldn’t surprise me that was still the case
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-05-03
I don't understand why citing that fact gets downvotes every time. It's the strangest thing.
1 highwirespud 2018-05-03
because it's continually brought up after certain users make unfounded claims about Allison Mack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERZqkUqw-xg
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-05-03
There is nothing incorrect about the fact and Reneir is also indited on the same case. Him sleeping with children in the past is definitely a correlation worth mentioning.
1 highwirespud 2018-05-03
User A - makes up ages of Allison Mack's victims (b/c there has been no announcement of the ages of her victims)
User B - Points out the disinfo
User C - whataboutism
User D - Points out whataboutism
User C - whataboutism tho
1 HeyJesusBringMeABeer 2018-05-03
RecoveringGrace is making a fair assessment and you aren't fooling anyone but yourself and maybe that other pedo lover JaimeLesEnfants.
I see how you guys pivot from one topic to another, defending, defending, denying, denying.
Don't you care that kids are being taken advantage of? Don't you care that those kids might have been under the age of 13 even? I said might, asshole. Do you care? Or do you not give a flying fuck, until Oprah comes on your mother's TV to tell her about how horrible it was that this cult took advantage of these 13 year olds? And then you still don't care right?
Has it ever occurred to you that you might be part of the denialism that helps perpetuate this disgusting problem?
1 highwirespud 2018-05-03
the kids might be under the age of 99. I said might asshole.
update the syntax, Oprah references aren't relevant any longer
there have been no verifiable ages of the parties Allison Mack abused. Or would you like to stop blowing smoke and start providing any verifiable proof of Allison Mack's victims.
The showboating is just that - you're a blowhard with an agenda
1 Rayfloyd 2018-05-03
they were around 12
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
Where did you hear that?
Thw indictment doesn't mention minors.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4443573-Raniere-Mack-Indictment.html#document/p2
1 Rayfloyd 2018-05-03
Count one: Sex Traficking Jane doe 1 & 2
18 U.S. Code § 1591 - Sex trafficking of children or by force, fraud, or coercion
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
Thanks for the link but that doesn't prove the ages you claimed.
The statute is "18 U.S. Code § 1591 - Sex trafficking of children or by force, fraud, or coercion"
This statute covers sex trafficking of children AND adults.
Mack has been charged under the clause which may or may not include children as I'm reading it.
Do you have any articles which describes the ages of Jane Doe 1 & 2? Particularly the one which describes them as 12 year olds?
1 Rayfloyd 2018-05-03
Yes sure lemme just mind read the judge and see who they are
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
You claimed they were 12 a few minutes ago.
1 Rayfloyd 2018-05-03
Have a good day bruh
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
Sure
1 procgen 2018-05-03
Haha! You got smoked, buddy!
1 Rayfloyd 2018-05-03
Sure lol if you say so!
1 procgen 2018-05-03
I do :)
1 Rayfloyd 2018-05-03
Good on you buddy
1 procgen 2018-05-03
It is!
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-05-03
I'm not sure about the ages of the victims Mack recruited because of the ambiguity of the charges, but Keith Raniere has had serious accusations of pedophilia in the past:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5649485/Nxivm-founder-Keith-Raniere-accused-sleeping-girls-15-12-Allison-Mack-wants-plea-deal.html
1 BobDobbz 2018-05-03
Don’t be such an asshole and ask for sources...what’s wrong with you. You like facts or somethin?
1 Vdarkbloom237 2018-05-03
Your username comes from a t-shirt worn by one of Alefantis' disgusting friends on his disgusting instagram. Get off this thread, pedophile shill.
1 Zygodactyl 2018-05-03
your user name means I love kids in french.
I love how you, of all user names, are so adamant about shutting down pedophile exposing discussions.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
How am I shutting down discussions? I've been having discussions about pizzagate for months.
Alsomy name is a reference to a piece of pizzagate "evidence" ie a bar in Washington called l'enfant.
https://i.imgur.com/CPdys3P.jpg
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
How am I shutting down discussions? I've been having discussions about pizzagate for months, in this thread alone I have dozens of comments.
Your name has its roots in the Greek, Yoke-Finger.
My name is a reference to a piece of pizzagate "evidence" ie a bar in Washington called l'enfant.
https://i.imgur.com/CPdys3P.jpg
Names are fun aren't they?
1 BongoGonzo 2018-05-03
There will be dismissals and controversy in this topic. Expect red herring political smokescreens with partisan lies and ridicule. Go beyond. Pizza toppings are just theories. Be more selective with your conspiracy here people. The monsters don't want to be found and a real story lurks in the networks beneath.
For the deniers, lets start with the undeniable monsters. Jimmy Saville. Mark Dutroux. Shocking and disturbing. The facts are chilling. But isn't it strange how brazen, boastful and connected they were?
Whilst they imply Royal associations the tentacles go beyond elite Hapsburg bloodlines. The Michael Aquino cases involved military cover-ups. The Franklin Affair was neutered by judges. The Finders torn apart by the media. The point is that establishment rings are the usual suspects for this conspiracy.
So it may be more relevant to ask why than ask who.. So why?
Is it a recipe for Disassociative Identity Disorder? Some macabre twist from MK-Ultra programs to condition the most appalling human programming? Or is it less weaponised and more trade related? Consider how sheiks are sweetened with bacha bazi dancing boys and there is a pattern in Middle East oil negotiations. Is this some commoditised trade network to do blind eye despot deals on the resource chessboard? It plausible if you consider the main pizza references emerged after unforeseen leaks of state dept emails after Hilary's email server got gang hacked by spooks.
But then why would so many priests get caught in this controversy? Is there is also some extreme sociopath behaviour that is more prone to corrupt inside these individuals? Or perhaps there is something more sinister and organised in society? Something that penetrates all power institutions? If so what the fuck is that?
1 ChucksnCheers 2018-05-03
I think it makes perfect sense that select, high-ranking government people would be into pedo stuff. A lot of these people get into government because they're narcissists who crave power, a typical trait for narcissists. Another typical trait for narcissists: feeling above the law/morality. Combine a lack of morality with a craving for extreme dominance and control, and you have a recipe for a rapist or pedophile.
1 NorthKoreanDetergent 2018-05-03
It's psychopaths, not narcissists. The dark triad, which is Machavellism, Psychopathy, and Narcissism. People think only serial killers have this, but serial killers are low-functioning psychopaths that got caught. The more adept ones move into positions of power easily.
1 ChucksnCheers 2018-05-03
I think it could be either. I studied narcissism in college, so that is just where my mind went.
1 NorthKoreanDetergent 2018-05-03
Yeah, I think it's the dark triad, which is both.
1 ChucksnCheers 2018-05-03
Gotcha. Makes sense.
1 Correctthereddit 2018-05-03
Or is it the other way around, and the CIA supports the candidacy of pedophiles whom they can control while in office?
1 Xilencious 2018-05-03
Shills on red alert, stay wary. #Q
1 frisbee_coach 2018-05-03
https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/693544.html#q693544
Here is the 8chan thread tracking all human trafficking arrests during President Trump’s first term.
1 DudeBroBrahBossChief 2018-05-03
Holy shit, barely two hours old and everything is being downvoted. This honestly just leads more credence to the idea that there are groups specifically targetting pizzagate threads, never seen anywhere close to this many downvotes in other round tables
1 Afrobean 2018-05-03
Certain users are suspiciously upvoted too. Kinda blatant. They should try being a little more subtle if they wanna be believable.
1 quantumcipher 2018-05-03
The thread is being brigaded, by the usual suspects, and known defenders of pedophilia.
1 Tookmyprawns 2018-05-03
Defending pedophilia is not at all similar to denying unproved, wild fantasies.
In fact, I think the biggest proponents of pizzagate are the ones obsessed with kid fucking. Pizzagate is a partisan cult concoction.
1 treeslooklikelamb 2018-05-03
Boom! 2 for 2 for y'all playing bingo at home ;)
I hope we hit an alt-right, or maybe even a drumpf - I need this!
1 quantumcipher 2018-05-03
Ah. Another "genius" from TMOR. What's amusing, to me at least, is I'm not alt-right, nor a Trump supporter. On the contrary, I'm a democratic socialist and civil libertarian, if you were to label or approximate my political leanings.
As for Trump, I consider him a fraud, a charlatan, a troll, and puppet, a puppet of Wall Street, Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Ag, the global elite, and the very "deep state" or military-industrial complex he selectively pretends to be at odds with for the sake of political theater and foremost political gain.
1 treeslooklikelamb 2018-05-03
I think you may have hit the wrong target here
1 quantumcipher 2018-05-03
You know after reading your comment again, and your comment history, I think you're probably right. My apologies.
1 treeslooklikelamb 2018-05-03
All good 👍
1 Tookmyprawns 2018-05-03
You people keep confusing yourselves.
1 Tookmyprawns 2018-05-03
You two are so confused you got into an argument with each other. Now kiss, weirdos.
1 treeslooklikelamb 2018-05-03
LOLLOLOL
1 quantumcipher 2018-05-03
It is when you accuse other of being guilty of what we're opposed to, and trying to raise awareness of, because people like you would rather sweep it under the rug and allow children to be molested.
I wasn't referring to "Pizzagate" which I am equally skeptical of, however doubt the majority here are guilty of what you claim, objectively. It's illogical to assume so, at best.
As far as Pizzagate being partisan, there are certainly partisan undertones to it for some, and a number of those who apolitical who subscribe to the theory. I'm more inclined to expose actual pedophiles in the hope that they are brought to justice.
See my post above for perspective:
https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8gqit5/rconspiracy_round_table_13_pizzapedogate_and/dyds282/
1 LosJones 2018-05-03
You have a tendency to show up in every single pedophilia conspiracy thread and attempt to derail conversations.
1 Tookmyprawns 2018-05-03
Maybe if every single pedo thread wasn't propaganda and lies I wouldn't have to ask people to stop posting BS without backing up. You're so mad. Just come up something that isn't partisan hackery and you won't feel so easily "derailed." Derailed is just code for "not joined with a circle jerk of unchecked agreement."
1 LosJones 2018-05-03
Did you wait a week to make this comment?
1 DawnPendraig 2018-05-03
You are either a callous jerk or nefarious. Imagine that some of us have been abused as kids and would so anything we could to save rhese kods who somehow have endured things I could never have imagine.
1 tvislyingtoyou 2018-05-03
It's obvious - just like how the PG sub was removed from reddit within a few days of it popping up, just like PG videos have been wiped from Youtube, just like journalists who have been covering this have been censored and their videos demonetized - it's sytematic on a scale i haven't seen before.
1 VdogameSndwchDimonds 2018-05-03
What drives me crazy about you PedoGate nuts is that you don't believe a word that the government says except when it comes to this topic, and then you not only believe that they're 100% telling the truth, you think that it's even bigger than they say. You don't believe what the government says about the War on Drugs or the War on Terror, do you? So why do you believe everything that the government says about their War on Prostitution?
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-05-03
Help me out here. What on earth does PG have to do with "trusting government"?
1 VdogameSndwchDimonds 2018-05-03
The government is arresting people for prostitution and calling it "sex trafficking." There is no "sex trafficking" and there is certainly no "child sex trafficking" in the U.S. but the PG nuts buy into everything that the government says.
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-05-03
There is no sex trafficking, child or otherwise, in the United States?? You can't be serious.
1 VdogameSndwchDimonds 2018-05-03
They renamed prostitution "sex trafficking" so in that sense it does exist, but there are no "sex slaves" in the U.S.
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-05-03
Have you missed this recent case?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5649485/Nxivm-founder-Keith-Raniere-accused-sleeping-girls-15-12-Allison-Mack-wants-plea-deal.html
1 VdogameSndwchDimonds 2018-05-03
That's just a run of the mill cult and is not pedo related in any way.
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-05-03
How do you know this? The trial hasn't even begun.
1 VdogameSndwchDimonds 2018-05-03
If they were involved in "child sex trafficking" then the media would be all over it, but since it's just some adult prostitutes nobody is interested.
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-05-03
Forcing people to participate in a sex cult by using blackmail is sex slavery. I'm not sure how you are calling this "prostitution".
I'm concerned at how adamantly you argue that sex trafficking and sex slavery don't exist at all, much less child sex slavery and pedo-blackmail.
1 VdogameSndwchDimonds 2018-05-03
The whole "pedo-blackmail" issue is so ridiculous that it drives me crazy that you nuts push it so much. Why do you think people would go to such trouble when it's much easier to just bribe people with money and power? The cult you mentioned is just that--a cult. Cults do weird things and so do religions. But there is no "sex trafficking" in America and there sure as hell are no "child sex rings" here. It's difficult to find adult prostitutes online and it's nearly impossible to find anything that a pedo would be interested in, so how do you people think that these rings are getting together? Every single piece of your "sex trafficking" delusion is either completely blown out of proportion or completely false.
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-05-03
Rule 10
1 ronin4life 2018-05-03
Child trafficking was listed in the charges that came out.
And no, it wouldn't be all over the media because they have been complicit in covering up their own anchors sex crimes, like Jimmy Saville at the BBC.
1 VdogameSndwchDimonds 2018-05-03
Where was "child trafficking" listed in the charges that came out?
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4421645-Keith-Raniere-Complaint.html
I don't see anything about children or underage people, but maybe I missed it.
1 jcash21 2018-05-03
....ba Ha HA hA
1 VdogameSndwchDimonds 2018-05-03
So you're sticking with "it's obviously true because there are no news stories or media reports"?
1 jcash21 2018-05-03
So you're sticking with "it's obviously not true because there are no news stories or media reports"?
You see how that the same amount of stupid works both ways?
1 Youwontsmokemypineal 2018-05-03
a 13 year old was just rescued near where i live. she was being pimped out of a hotel room around here after being abducted. Its disgusting. you are misinformed.
1 VdogameSndwchDimonds 2018-05-03
Please provide a link to a story about this.
1 VdogameSndwchDimonds 2018-05-03
I asked you 7 days ago to provide a link to prove your claim. You did not provide one, so were you lying?
1 Youwontsmokemypineal 2018-05-03
I don’t want to reveal the city I live in, that’s all.
1 trevmon 2018-05-03
he has a point, don't go making claims then
1 VdogameSndwchDimonds 2018-05-03
Yeah, right. I do not believe you or anything that you've said.
1 djm123412 2018-05-03
LOL right. No one is EVER SEX TRAFFICKED IN THE US! Cases closed, shut her down boys and girls!!!
1 trevmon 2018-05-03
we believe govt on this topic?
1 PeopleWhoDied 2018-05-03
Why not go a little bit back in time and talk about THE WACO MASACRE all because David Koresh and Co. hacked into the CIA and found out about the sex trafficking that was taking place between the US Goverment with collaboration of the Buffalo Airlines?
1 DrHerbotico 2018-05-03
Source?
1 PeopleWhoDied 2018-05-03
Prepare for the nasty truth:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread495669/pg1
1 DawnPendraig 2018-05-03
Never heard this one before but it's interesting. Sure makes the motive for their very public and very gruesome execution and the Clintons direct oversight of it as well.
Then imagine any victims that might come forward could be shown that as a cautionary tale.
1 PeopleWhoDied 2018-05-03
David Koresh was the only Christian who stood up against the secret societies behind the goverment
1 JohnWayneCasserole 2018-05-03
brrrr. It's getting a little shrilly out here
1 mastigia 2018-05-03
I have put this thread in contest mode due to the high volume of troll traffic. Read deep, think for yourselves. Votes only tell you what others think.
1 [deleted] 2018-05-03
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1 zhanli 2018-05-03
Lol....
1 exkreations 2018-05-03
All should be outright banned, absolutely nothing ingenuous about how they interact with this subreddit.
1 trevmon 2018-05-03
won't be. clear evidence of brigading
1 Afrobean 2018-05-03
There were more than a few comments complaining about the obvious vote manipulation before this happened. The top voted comment was a troll with about 100 more karma than any other comment and most of the regulars offering good faith comments with links to sources were in the negative.
1 Ieuan1996 2018-05-03
Within the first hour as well. As if they wanted to make it as obvious as possible. They're drawn to the word "pizzagate" like moths to a flame.
1 Lyra_Fairview 2018-05-03
What exactly happened? There was really a troll comment with 100+ upvotes before this thread got put into contest mode? What did they say?
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
It had 21 upvotes as you can see on removeddit.com
1 Ieuan1996 2018-05-03
It had about 50 upvotes when I first came to the thread like an hour or so in.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
I was in the thread after 5 minutes, or so I was told.
I didn't see it above 20.
1 Suffocatingsky 2018-05-03
You're username is an anagram for James Alefantis. Weird coincidence right?
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
My name isn't an anagram of James Alefantis. Enfant has 2 n's.
How can a username be condescending?
1 YulaTheOne111 2018-05-03
Dude his name literally means I like kids in French, ignore the troll.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
It's a reference to a piece of pizzagate "evidence" ie a bar in Washington called les enfant.
https://i.imgur.com/CPdys3P.jpg
1 Suffocatingsky 2018-05-03
Yeah i saw that, thanks
1 TheCIASellsDrugs 2018-05-03
Always look out for common forum disruption tactics. Be aware of the massive number of online shills attempting to control public opinion. Don't believe the votes on reddit, most of the shilling operations have large numbers of vote bots.
1 leftistpatriot 2018-05-03
Changing the rules for one thread but not for all is interesting. Any good conspiracy theorist sees manipulation and wonders whose agenda is being served.
1 bignuke87 2018-05-03
Mastigia has always been fair and impartial
1 leftistpatriot 2018-05-03
"Appeal to reputation" is not how a system of accountability works. Rules apply universally.
1 bignuke87 2018-05-03
Your contention was hes not being impartial im tellin you hes not like that also this isnt court.
1 leftistpatriot 2018-05-03
You're "telling" me "he's not like that," which shows me that you think I'll trust anyone based on your word. That's the essence of how propaganda works.
1 bignuke87 2018-05-03
You seem pretty paranoid there bud
1 leftistpatriot 2018-05-03
Wrong subreddit for that textbook answer. Refer to your instructor
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-05-03
Rule 10.
1 leftistpatriot 2018-05-03
My comment is defending the subreddit against being called paranoid.
Why didn't you give any warning to the one calling me paranoid? HMMM. INTERESTING.
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-05-03
I haven't seen the report in the queue.
1 leftistpatriot 2018-05-03
"Context matters" -- quote from RecoveringGrace
So I get called "paranoid," which is a pejorative and a Rule 10 violation, Mod does not read context, gives me a Rule 10 violation for being a conspiracy theorist on a conspiracy forum.
And let me guess: I was reported for abuse by the guy who called me names. And Mod only issues violations to reports in the queue? Golden irony award.
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-05-03
Have you reported the comment? I don't read every comment in every thread. Today I have mostly worked off the report queue because I've been busy with real life.
1 kit8642 2018-05-03
Rule 10
1 bignuke87 2018-05-03
I never called you anything i said based on your post structure you SEEM to be and thats my own opinion. Like for example hey buddy I know youre not normally a butthead but today you sure are acting like one :p make sense?
1 kit8642 2018-05-03
Rule 10
1 why_are_we_god 2018-05-03
any great conspiracy theorist would recognize this can't serve an agenda because it's just randomizing everything.
1 Analiator 2018-05-03
it isnt randomizing things. In contest mode it isnt the votes of the comments its who spams the most... which is even more annoying.
1 lazaplaya5 2018-05-03
People act like pizzagate is some republican plan to conspire against Hillary, why can't people just look at the facts? It's a fact that the Clinton's been associated with some unsavory people over the years, in particular their closest friends and buisiness partners. Hillary & Bill cofounded the Clinton Foundation with convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein; HRC's closest aide Huma Abedin's husband Anthony Weiner was convicted of sexting a minor; and of course Weinstein who everyone knows about now (and John and Tony Podesta are lesser known examples too). How many of your friends or business partners are convicted pedophiles or serial rapists, and why hasn't Hillary denounced them yet?
1 thetydollars 2018-05-03
Because some people's identity IS their political identity
1 scaredshtlessintx 2018-05-03
I was taught growing up , you are who your friends are...birds of feather...etc.....one thing I’ve realized cause PG, there’s a lot more people who want to bang kids on this planet than I ever could have imagined.
1 AmansRevenger 2018-05-03
Why hasnt Trump denounced Roy Moore ?
Oh wait ...
1 Zygodactyl 2018-05-03
Nice strawman.
1 The_In-Betweener 2018-05-03
I don't need pedo allegations to make me despise these people.
If these particular players are involved with these crimes, maybe it would push human consciousness past the barrier necessary to overthrow these ghouls.
1 thetydollars 2018-05-03
Who would've thought this thread would end up like this so soon?
1 Jerrimu 2018-05-03
Personally I find the Podesta stuff pretty incriminating, but the actual pizza place/Alefantis seems like a massive ton of conjecture. Other than a gay guy with a weird sense of humor who takes a lot of pics with his goddaughter, is there any actual evidence?
1 zhanli 2018-05-03
He's clearly guilty of something.
If he wasn't, why would he have threatened a voat Pizzagate researcher with killing his entire family and "suing his dead body" if he didn't remove one of his posts exposing a property of Alefantis' as a potential trafficking hub, the "Pegasus Museum"?
https://youtu.be/qBn7ja_oegM
1 FunHegemon 2018-05-03
Dude seriously? Do you have any idea how simple it is to fake a text conversation with somebody?
1 zhanli 2018-05-03
https://m.imgur.com/a/PiLKE
I'm a bit skeptical of your intentions, and your apparent lack of information as to what happened between Ryan and James.
Ryan filed an actual police report and James was confronted by law enforcement. This actually happened dude.
I see people smearing Ryan all the time, probably out of desperation to cover up that loose end. Alefantis threatening an actual online researcher is a very damning piece of evidence.
1 FunHegemon 2018-05-03
Look dude, just because somebody points something out you dont like doesnt mean they have an "agenda". Get a grip.
Anyway, i dont get what that picture is supposed to show. Alefantis' name is nowhere on it, all it shows is that this Ryan guy complained to the police about somebody making terroristic threats. Is there anything that actually shows that police confronted Alefantis about the supposed text message conversation?
1 zhanli 2018-05-03
So nothing short of a confession from James himself, can convince you that Ryan is telling the truth? Why would he file a fake police report?
If he's faking this thing, than James could sue him for slander or fabrication, correct? Then why hasn't he? My guess is because Ryan's story is true, and that James doesn't want this incident *anywhere* near a courtroom, especially with the circumstantial evidence against him in PG circulating.
Would a full written elaboration on the incident help? My job isn't to convince you, but I hope you can see there's clearly something strange going on here.
Thanks for providing me with the Opportunity to present this piece of the puzzle.
1 pizzagate_researcher 2018-05-03
Anybody can sue anybody for anything. That doesn't mean they would win. He would have to prove that not only was Ryan lying, but also that JA was hurt by those lies. Not an easy thing to do.
All Ryan would have to say is: "I thought it was him, although it could have been a troll." There would be virtually no way to win this kind of case (I challenge you to find a successful similar case of slander/libel). No lawyer would encourage such a waste of resources.
Not to mention that a lot of people are aware of "The Streisand Effect" and would rather avoid drawing attention to a case they probably couldn't win.
Regardless, Ryan's story simply doesn't add up:
https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8gqit5/rconspiracy_round_table_13_pizzapedogate_and/dygeprd/
1 FunHegemon 2018-05-03
Was Alefantis ever actually charged with anything? Is there any evidence at all that police ever approached him about the complaint? Is there a court date pending? Did Ryan drop the charges? What's the resolution to this and how does it prove Ryan's accusation?
Also, the reason as to "why" he would make it up is obvious; is/was his YouTube channel monitized or not? Also, what would Alefantis have to gain by suing for libel aside from people like you just seeing that as more "evidence" of trying to cover something up?
1 pizzagate_researcher 2018-05-03
There definitely isn't any evidence:
His only proof was screenshots.
He claimed he "tried" to record their conversations twice. One of the times he had a "buddy" next to him and neither of them thought to at least video-record the conversation. The next time, Alefantis gives him a warning before the supposed call, but Ryan still doesn't record the conversation (despite having allegedly been threatened before).
He claimed to have reported Alefantis to the FBI and that they told him not to "poke the bear". Yet, he continued to talk about PG and selling pizzagate merchandise for like a year afterwards.
If the FBI is "in on it" and/or he were really threatened by Alefantis, why would he continue to sell pizzagate merchandise and vlogging about pizzagate?
It doesn't look like he took the threat very seriously.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
Don't know if you saw my comment but I found the police report and full Facebook chat.
1 pizzagate_researcher 2018-05-03
I'd seen it before, but didn't really think it was relevant to my points. I have noted in my other comment though that the timestamp of the report proves he reported it after uploading his video.
I guess vlogging on youtube is more important than threats from a man he's accusing of murder. Funny how nothing ever came of the report. His local PD must be in on it, too, and their defending the child rapist thousands of miles away! /s
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
It's simply beyond belief Ryan wouldn't have mentioned who was making these "terroristic threats" I'm sure if Alefantis knew this was still ongoing he'd have a law suit on his hands.
1 pizzagate_researcher 2018-05-03
I'm not sure about that. I've mentioned that libel lawsuits are pretty difficult to win. Even if he did give the police a name, his defense in a lawsuit could easily be "I thought it was JA, but I could have been wrong/trolled/whatever". How can anyone prove he was lying, rather than wrong?
But even if he prove he lied, JA would still need to show that those videos specifically caused him some kind tangible harm, which is also fairly difficult.
But let's say he did win the lawsuit, that would still do absolutely nothing, zilch, nada, in placating pizzagate believers.
I think it's more likely JA doesn't want to feed the fire by launching a lawsuit that would only bring unwanted attention.
1 FunHegemon 2018-05-03
I also tried to follow the link in that image and there is nothing there.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
The Facebook chat was faked.
The guy that started the rumour runs www.pizzagategear.com and is trying to make money off it. He also has an unsuccessful patron which used to have text about supporting pizzagate investigation here https://www.patreon.com/bePatron?u=5133398
Here's the police report
https://imgur.com/a/vct1i
http://p2c.websterpd.com (search Case #: 17000111)
docdroid.net/LZTsdj5/policereport.pdf.html
And here's a transcript of the alleged Facebook chat with James Alefantis which if you read it looks like it was written by an idiot.
The screen-captured chat went as follows:
Alefantis: Just the Pegasus video. Figure out how to do it — no waves.
O’Neal: I am a super reasonable guy. You don’t have to scare me like that.
Alefantis: You can keep your kill room shit about the rest of it. Fix this and we are reasonable.
[Alefantis then sent a picture of O’Neail and his mom].
Alefantis: Thanks. Feel ok?
O’Neal: Not really. Just threatened to kill everybody.
Alefantis: No need for all of that.
O’Neal: Deleted the video.
Alefantis: Good. Blame YouTube.
O’Neal: Delete the thread on Voat too?
Alefantis: They are taking things down. I think be more creative. Say you think it’s nothing or something — it’s your culture. CAlm down and think about it first.
O’Neal: Ok.
Alefantis: Let’s look and discuss. This might be ok. Thank you. Let me know when you have calmed a bit.
O’Neal: Give me a week.
Alefantis: Ha. Welcome to my world. Call me quick I’ll be nice this time. I appreciate you taking down.
O’Neal: I’m riding around with somebody. Gimme a minute.
[Alefantis then sent a picture of O’Neal and his girlfried].
Alefantis: Cute
O’Neal: Is that you being nice?
Alefantis: Not yet. So call quick then I can go to bed with less worries.
O’Neal: Mods deleted posts on Voat. 5 minutes.
Alefantis: Ok. What’s mods?
O’Neal: Moderators.
Alefantis: Humm draws attention?
O’Neal: They deleted because my content was removed I guess. Reason: 1 2 3.
Alefantis: Humm. Looks there.
O’Neal: Says deleted. “It looks like you are trying to make money off this.” Link doesn’t work.
Alefantis: That’s on Voat. ?.
O’Neal: About to call.
[At this point O’Neal called Alefantis back and said that “he was nicer” but still assured him he “would die” if he did not pull the video down].
Alefantis: Ok. One more thing this “happened to me.” YOU — created this. You can uncreate.
O’Neal: It’s an interesting subject. Just doing research on a hobby basically. I would never want myself or family to have any harm done because of this.
Alefantis: Meaning — you created it for yourself — you can uncreate. Yeh well it’s good you didn’t end up like Welch — in jail for 35 years. Or everyone who ‘s getting sued. You can find a much more profitable and beneficial hobby.
O’Neal: I mean nothing I did was wrong but wrong or not it’s just not worth it.
Alefantis: Actually lots of what you did is illegal. And punishable. But it’s expensive to sue. So people don’t do it. I can explain it to you someday. There would also be criminal — state charges on some of it. But you would need someone smart enough and connected who wanted to make sure it was enforced. And so far you don’t have that.
O’Neal: Took down the video. You win by a landslide.
Alefantis: So go to sleep. Thank you for that. It’s appreciated. And by the way this story is a pack of lies.
O’Neal: What is it then? Pure garbage?
Alefantis: Yup. I mean that wall is the same wall.
O’Neal: Oh I confirmed that lol.
Alefantis: But what the hell does that mean. And our families deserve to be safe.
O’Neal: No doubt. What y’all building in the room? Why the trenches?
Alefantis: You are too much man. On the edge of total destruction — still curious?
O’Neal: I’m curious for myself. No worries.
Alefantis: FBI liked your videos. So there is something. And. PLUMBING. Have you ever run plumbing?
O’Neal: lol.
Alefantis: To build a room it’s not trenches. Any basic construction moron would see the differ next.
O’Neal: So the kill room stuff was just a joke?
Alefantis: Difference
O’Neal: IDK about that stuff.
Alefantis: Ugh.
O’Neal: Sorry sorry I’ll stop.
Alefantis: You don’t know what. It’s a freaky room.
O’Neal: Construction.
Alefantis: that’s why people put shit on Instagram.
[Alefantis then texted a photo of an old job in which O’Neal worked on]
Alefantis: You never moved pipes I guess. You are a decorator.
O’Neal: I designed a few bars. You like? You’re quite the designer.
Alefantis: One more thing. If one of these assholes gets near my mom or her house that’s it for you. That’s bethesda fellows is driving over tomororen. I’m sure nothing will happen but if it does.
O’Neal: They’ve been talking about Pegasus for awhile.
Alefantis: Everything they say about me is true. Except I don’t like kids. At all. You should soon take all your shit down. Busted for profiteering.
O’Neal: Will do.
Alefantis: Night.
O’Neal: Goodnight. Take it down now or later?
Alefantis: It’s your culture.
O’Neal: heard.
Alefantis: Maybe all. Prob best. Disappear. Profiteer gone. I’m going to protect my family now. Now or soon.
O’Neal: Will do.
Alefantis: And I don’t really want to hear about you again from anyone. Night Ryan.
O’Neal: I’m telling you I’m done. Way too real.
Alefantis: Cute gf.
O’Neal: Thanks man.
Alefantis: Lucky boy. Keep your Voat profile though. Xo.
[Alifantis then sent a few emoticons: Two ping pong paddles, kissy lips, painted nails, and some money].
https://www.intellihub.com/youtuber-claims-pizzagate-pegasus-kill-room/
1 zhanli 2018-05-03
This sounds like more of an opinion of yours, than fact.
Do you have any actual evidence to support this claim? I understand Ryan runs Pizzagategear.com, I've spoken with him on a few occasions.
Did Ryan confess to faking the IM conversation, or is that just a "nothing to see here, move along" "Jedi wave" attempt to deter others from taking this piece of evidence legitimately?
Thanks for posting the police reports also.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
Read the chat. It's clearly bullshit.
1 zhanli 2018-05-03
No, it isn't and everything points to Ryan's story being true. I understand you are passionate about discrediting the Pizzagate scandal, but it's going to take more than just your opinion to "debunk" this.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
I'd love to see some evidence pizzagate was real, there just isn't any.
I won't be silenced for disagreeing.
1 zhanli 2018-05-03
Why? Most of us here wish this wasn't real. Unfortunately, there are a myriad of strange connections and a mountain of circumstantial evidence, that seems to paint a very dark picture of some sort of criminal activity. People here are just doing what they consider their duty, by being a part of the citizen investigation to expose those involved.
>I won't be silenced for disagreeing with you, and others.
Of course not. That being said, a disagreement would be fine, but your highly motivated and systematic approach to "debunking" each piece of evidence brought up, may be seen as disingenuous and agenda driven by some of the users here. Especially given the nature and purpose of this sub.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
I could say you're highly motivated to attack these people with no evidence or criminal complaints. You don't have superiority here.
1 Xaviermgk 2018-05-03
Well, you saying it's "clearly bullshit" doesn't make your opinion superior in any way, and in fact shows that you can't PROVE it's bullshit, just state it baldly like it's fact when it isn't.
And if you say that zhanli is highly motivated in his attack, well duh. These people are sick. If something rubs the wrong way against human nature, people are gonna have a visceral reaction.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
What people are sick?
There's no evidence Podesta, Alefantis or anyone else named in the pizzagate allegations has abused a child.
Yes child abuse is sick but that's no excuse to attack people based on their friends co workers instagram posts.
1 Xaviermgk 2018-05-03
This isn't a court of law, and I don't have to argue evidence with you. But if you think people base this off just a "friends co-workers instagram posts" is EXTREMELY disingenuous.
How is Clinton's connection to Laura Silsby, a KNOWN child trafficker, ZERO evidence? HMMM??? Now, I could see past the Moloch comment by Clinton, IF she didn't have these nagging associations with scumbags.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
Clinton never made a Moloch comment, that was in an email to her again.
Silsby served her time in Haitian jail, Clinton didn't get her off.
1 NoThanksRandy 2018-05-03
no there is not a shred of evidence. but that is why the less fortunate (cognitively) will continue to post as if there is. Its almost as sad as it is interesting.
1 calebdallas 2018-05-03
The Alefantis stuff is pretty strange however. Here’s CPP being called out in 2008 http://archive.is/ezdQE
Here's people posting about comet ping pong https://archive.is/FMLbx https://archive.fo/mKH6M
James Alefantis' sister, Susan Alefantis wrote a letter in support of a teacher who was convicted of molesting 5 girls:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/835178/kloman-letter-writers.pdf
Here is an article on the abuser: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/potomac-school-investigation-uncovers-more-alleged-abuse/2014/06/30/57abfa0e-0072-11e4-8fd0-3a663dfa68ac_story.html
1 Sendmyabar 2018-05-03
Watch that Avcii video he directed, then read the report that he killed himself by slashing his own throat and his wrists with a broken bottle. Anyone that doubts this whole thing at this point either hasn't looked into it or doesn't want to believe it.
1 srroguelife 2018-05-03
http://crazydaysandnights.net
This Hollywood Attorney is stating he was murdered down to confronting Oman royalty over his "new" minor wife. Upon confronting the man, he was murdered the next day.
1 The_Stoney_Badger 2018-05-03
man this site is hard to read.. any tips on decrypting it?
1 srroguelife 2018-05-03
You can look at other comments or you can hit key words on a search engine and see where it takes you. Happy Hunting. This guy does not use Sacred Geometry or numbers from what I can see.
1 Space__Stuff 2018-05-03
Do you know what song? Never listened to him and I can't seem to find it.
1 PreachyVegan 2018-05-03
Here it is
1 RothbardbePeace 2018-05-03
wow...I have stayed off the conspiracy reddit thread for awhile. I used this stuff to make myself feel better about my own sins. I 32 months sober. My life is much different now...I am not filled with secrets anymore. Yes this Aviccii thing looks like murder to me. I don't feel empowered to fix it. I just want to be a force for good. Please help me universe/god/whatever force it is that helped push me come into the light 32 months ago.
1 The_Stoney_Badger 2018-05-03
can you link to the video? im not sure what i should be looking for..
1 wile_e_chicken 2018-05-03
Good stuff posted here; thanks everybody. Three good forums for researching and discussing this topic:
/r/pedogate -- full disclosure, I'm a mod
/r/satanicritualabuse
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate -- probably the best source for original research
1 calebdallas 2018-05-03
This was an amazing link until some of the links became broken in time. Not hard to find the images that were deleted with a google search so here it is. https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiLeaks/comments/5bsxv4/weird_pizza_in_washington/
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1 tvislyingtoyou 2018-05-03
Question for the pizzagate naysayers: Why has no one ever asked John Podesta to simply explain the pizza code in the emails?
You'd think a man accused of what he is accused of would at the very least address it. But he has made no such attempt - why do you think this is?
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
He has responded actually.
https://mobile.twitter.com/johnpodesta/status/925404705051770880?lang=en
1 whacko_jacko 2018-05-03
Which is kind of funny because he obviously can't explain the bizarre code language. I really wish he would explain that damn handkerchief with the pizza related map on it.
1 anonelitest 2018-05-03
Or the strange occult ritual where they cut their left middle finger whilst drawing symbols on their hands. Seriously look it up. John podesta “eat the pain.” Most are photoshopped but the one where his hands are up and he’s in an office is not doctored.
1 feltpuppy 2018-05-03
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1471609
Do some research.
1 anonelitest 2018-05-03
Just read through that, didn’t really debunk anything just tried to make it seem like a coincidence. There’s a plethora of bizarre emails that super elites were sending to each other regarding “pizza” “walnut sauce” “red daisy” that just don’t make sense for high value people to be emailing about. Or that Obama ordered $65,000 worth of hot dogs to the White House. It just doesn’t add up. People don’t like pizza THAT much.
A normal presidential food security check comes out to be around $2,000 for radiation and poison scanning. The value of a Child from a third world nation on the silkroad, which would’ve been active around the time of the emails, was in the range of $40,000-$120,000. NO ONE buys $50,000 Pizza’s and NO toxin checkpoint costs $65,000+.
1 feltpuppy 2018-05-03
What are you babbling all that crap to me for?
You wrote some BS about cutting hands and occult symbols. In reality, the dude had surgery and the photo with drawing on his hands was obviously related to the global goals email it was attached to.
You're a disinfo agent or a total idiot who has never read the emails. Lumping in the Stratfor email and showing no signs of actual research is an obvious sign of one or both of those. Keep your pants on when you're using Tor Browser, please.
1 anonelitest 2018-05-03
You seem like the disinformation agent here considering you’ve only made 3 comments ALL of which were done today.
1 feltpuppy 2018-05-03
That would make me a pretty bad disinformation agent then. Versus, you who would have been at it for a while. LOL
I see you use r/greatawakening. I'm sorry for your condition. Trust in Trump #MAGA.
1 CelineHagbard 2018-05-03
Removed. Rule 10.
1 anonelitest 2018-05-03
What is rule 10?
1 CelineHagbard 2018-05-03
1 anonelitest 2018-05-03
So did you warn the other guy too who called me a disinfo agent?
1 CelineHagbard 2018-05-03
Yep; removed his comment as well.
1 anonelitest 2018-05-03
Start reading the emails, you’ll find the same shit that I found. Or look into the JFK files and open your mind. Otherwise consider to shut people up or realize our world truly is run by sick sick elites.
1 feltpuppy 2018-05-03
You haven't read the emails or you wouldn't get your leaks mixed up and you'd know where the photo you talked about came from. You've read what someone claims the emails say.
1 anonelitest 2018-05-03
I have read the emails, I have found the specific ones where they cite ordering “walnut sauce” casually. Whatever the fuck that could mean. Your account seems to be here to discredit Truth seekers. Carry on
1 feltpuppy 2018-05-03
Like this one?
Scary!
You're not a "Truth seeker." You're one of many cultists making up sick fantasies to intentionally or unintentionally distract from real occurrences of child abuse. And I don't even mean the crimes your "God emperor" is accused of. It's not a game. Real shit happens but you want to get off on being special.
I'm sorry if you're too brainwashed to know better, that's tragic but maybe better optics than you doing this and being self-aware.
1 anonelitest 2018-05-03
You are just someone who is here to shit on those who seek the truth lol. Don’t like trump really never did but he is definitely doing things behind the scenes to stop the elite child PEDO rings. Hence ALLISON MACK Insider in on most of the elite events that happen in Hollywood.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/pagesix.com/2018/05/04/smallville-star-allison-mack-appears-in-court/amp/
1 feltpuppy 2018-05-03
Yeah, he was busy stopping "elite child PEDO rings" "behind the scenes" at those pageants.
#MAGA. Any day now.
While you're 'researching' on the darknet actual children are being abused but you DGAF.
1 feltpuppy 2018-05-03
Yeah, he was busy stopping "elite child PEDO rings" "behind the scenes" at those pageants.
#MAGA. Any day now.
While you're 'researching' on the darknet actual children are being abused but you DGAF.
1 feltpuppy 2018-05-03
Yeah, he was busy stopping "elite child PEDO rings" "behind the scenes" at those pageants.
#MAGA. Any day now.
While you're 'researching' on the darknet actual children are being abused but you DGAF.
1 feltpuppy 2018-05-03
Yeah, he was busy stopping "elite child PEDO rings" "behind the scenes" at those pageants.
#MAGA. Any day now.
While you're 'researching' on the darknet actual children are being abused but you DGAF.
1 feltpuppy 2018-05-03
Yeah, he was busy stopping "elite child PEDO rings" "behind the scenes" at those pageants.
#MAGA. Any day now.
While you're 'researching' on the darknet actual children are being abused but you DGAF.
1 anonelitest 2018-05-03
Keep backing yourself into a corner lol. Largest darkweb sites seized.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/20/business/dealbook/alphabay-dark-web-opioids.html
1 feltpuppy 2018-05-03
I wouldn't admit to that here if I were you.
1 anonelitest 2018-05-03
Admit to what? Are you going to tell your programmer that you don’t have enough code to fight this level of truth? Sorry Bot, go suck Alefantis or Soros’s cock a little harder because you lost this one.
1 CelineHagbard 2018-05-03
Removed. Rule 10.
1 feltpuppy 2018-05-03
Sorry. Would it have been okay without the last sentence?
1 CelineHagbard 2018-05-03
First sentence of the last paragraph.
1 feltpuppy 2018-05-03
The first or second part, or both?
What's an acceptable way to describe one of these brainwashed people whose only interest in child abuse is whatever fits the cult agenda?
1 CelineHagbard 2018-05-03
The acceptable thing is to address their arguments, civilly point out that their arguments are lacking, or downvote and move on; not to attack the user.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
Why are you asking John? It was Susan Sandler who referred to a "map that seems pizza related".
And going by the code "Cheese pizza = child pornography" Susan's email becomes
Which doesn't make much sense.
It was Kathryn Tate in the email who first mentioned the handkerchief. Is she the ring leader of this pedo cult or just a real estate agent?
1 NorthKoreanDetergent 2018-05-03
Yeah, just google 'pizza handkerchief' and you'll find tons of examples of literally pizza-themed hankerchiefs. Seeing as John is such a fan of italian cuisine, it would make sense that he had a pizza handkerchief
Those 'coded' e-mails are the weakest part of the pizzagate 'evidence'. IMO we all do ourselves a disservice when we hold up easily-defeated 'code' words as the biggest evidence of something sinister, when there's more questionable things that never get brought up.
1 Correctthereddit 2018-05-03
Like Tony Podesta's friendship with known pedo Dennis Hastert, and the tube they spent together in a part of Japan known for underage relations.
1 whacko_jacko 2018-05-03
I just want to know what it means. It's obviously not literal. However, there have been several theories about what is meant by map. I don't know. By the way, you are arguing with a false dichotomy, which is a type of strawman argument. This person can be both a real estate agent and complicit in illicit activity without being a ringleader of anything.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
I think it's just literal.
I didn't mean to set up a straw man, I'm trying to find out the logic that goes from real estate agent finding a handkerchief, that handkerchief being described to John, John replying it's not a big deal and Susan replying ok thanks is a sign of a pedophile network.
1 Question_History 2018-05-03
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11508
"Might be time for Denny to vanish to an undisclosed Japanese island"
Podesta hasn't talked about this email or the torture chamber email once. Why not? Disregard ALL the pizza emails, there are very questionable statements in the POdesta leaks that have nothing to do w/ pizza
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
He was friends with the guy and he was about to be tried for paying off abuse victims.
Although the statement isn't a negative comment against Hastert it is hardly an endorsement of his behaviour in the 1970s.
1 enrico_the_frog 2018-05-03
You'd ask John cause he would be expected to know it.
Also, you have a suspiciously consistent number of upvotes on your comments.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
16 vs 13 is consistent? That's just the 2 above this one.
Anyway, why does John have to explain Susan's choice of words?
He said "it's mine but not worth worrying about" what do you suppose he meant?
1 Suffocatingsky 2018-05-03
Youre username os an anagram for James alefantis, get outta here
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
My name isn't an anagram of James Alefantis. Enfant has 2 n's.
1 PickUpTheBass 2018-05-03
bout time this got discussed here. Whichever mod did it much love man x
1 whistlingwhistlerer 2018-05-03
This is so nuts! These threads STILL are always swarmed with bullshit
1 aaaaaaaaaaanonymous 2018-05-03
Over the target
1 OWNtheNWO 2018-05-03
I tried to explain this to someone the other day They weren't running kids out of comet ping pong that was disinfo to conceal the truth, that comet ping pong was like the Cheers for high powered DC pedo's.
1 frisbee_coach 2018-05-03
Comet Ping Pong was likely just a money laundering front. Alefantis (changed from Rothschild) is the crypto banker of the family.
1 trytheCOLDchai 2018-05-03
must be why the CPP computer got shot
1 DawnPendraig 2018-05-03
Dont they also use the art?
Not sure if it's true, it is believable, elites use art shipments to smuggle because they somehow get a customs pass - on Ray Donovan show and I need to look into it.
These tv shows for propaganda sure seem to give things away but maybe it's a psyop of nothing on tv is real. The syfy show Happy! Was insanely creepy and also satisfying as the dad went nuts.
1 Ieuan1996 2018-05-03
The art was for money laundering. Why else would Alefantis own Pegasus Art Museum, but not advertise or put any signs out showing it exists?
1 OWNtheNWO 2018-05-03
I don't know anything about the name change or the laundering, but it's not entirely implausible, but I think what can be proved is that a lot of high powered DC pedo's liked to hang out there and all the creepy art/entertainment and ads by alefantis himself speak to this.]
1 frisbee_coach 2018-05-03
Just look at his Instagram...
http://themillenniumreport.com/2016/12/pizzagate-comet-pizza-owner-james-alefantis-posted-hundreds-of-suspicious-instagram-pictures-like-these/
1 OWNtheNWO 2018-05-03
Right I brought up his creepy deleted instagram posts (aka adverts)
1 frisbee_coach 2018-05-03
My bad, but the link gives some more credibility to your statement to the deniers. I don’t understand how anyone could view those posts without feeling a little sick.
1 StevenLynch444 2018-05-03
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1 desvel 2018-05-03
Trump's campaign chair was charged with trafficking of a minor. Arrested in Nov '17 I believe. Not a word from msm on either side. Reuters was the only big source I've seen.
But we all know about those two scoops!
1 whacko_jacko 2018-05-03
"Trump's campaign chair" is pretty misleading. He was in charge of a state-level RNC campaign office (in OK iirc). He was prosecuted, and rightfully so. There were quite a few mainstream articles about the case, and essentially nobody, here or anywhere, made any effort to defend him or what he did.
1 desvel 2018-05-03
Oo I never knew it was at the state level. Thanks for the reply.
1 whacko_jacko 2018-05-03
You can certainly be forgiven for the misunderstanding because ShareBlue (most likely) repeated the misleading claim hundreds or thousands of times.
1 aaaaaaaaaaanonymous 2018-05-03
Due. Diligence.
1 The-Juggernaut 2018-05-03
When discussing pizzagate (and the passage of time) it's become VERY easy to disengage with shills. Detractors will say common things ranging from the simple "pizzagate isn't real you (deragatory term typically insulting intelligence)" to "OMG you think Hillary Clinton raped kids in a pizza basement?" (Obvious super exaggeration) Oh and don't forget the "crazed armed gunman who almost killed someone" while neglecting to mention that the cameras facing the parlor we're turned for only that one day and that the one bullet fired was hitting the computer tower
1 avidadollars458 2018-05-03
His thread is going to be interesting to watch!
Nonetheless politics aside, one thing I never see discussed is psychology behind why elites engage in pedophilia. Personally I have my own theory. I read in article years ago that one way chimps display dominance is stealing the baby from the mother chimp and then eating it in front of them (the article below describes such behavior). Seeing as how humans are related to chimps, I believe this is why the elites engage in pedophilia and other sexual assault. See it’s one thing to be able to dominant and exploit a person. It’s an entirely different level of power and evil to be able to exploit someone’s children and for them to be powerless to stop it.
http://www.newsweek.com/cannibal-chimp-snatches-newborn-eats-it-shocking-behavior-maternity-leave-686873
1 DawnPendraig 2018-05-03
My thoughts almost exactly. I also think many believe they are demonically possessed or wish they were etc. Games of power played out at sick rituals seeing who can play along, who is eager and who wants to puke.
1 Ninjakick666 2018-05-03
News article from the DOJ today outlines the basics of how one of these operations work...
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/manhattan-us-attorney-announces-extradition-four-mexican-nationals-international-sex
Between 2000 and the present, members of the STO (the “Traffickers”) have used false promises, physical and sexual violence, threats of the same, lies, and coercion to force and coerce adult and minor women (the “Victims”) to work in prostitution in both Mexico and the United States.
In most cases, a Trafficker entices a Victim – frequently a minor – in Mexico. The Trafficker then uses multiple means to isolate the Victim from her family. In some cases, the Trafficker uses romantic promises to induce the Victim to leave her family and live with him. In other cases, the Trafficker rapes the Victim, making it difficult for her to return to her family due to the associated stigma of the rape. Once a Victim is separated from her family, the Trafficker frequently monitors her communications, keeps her locked in an apartment, leaves her without food, and engages in physical or sexual violence against the Victim. Traffickers often tell Victims that the Traffickers owe a significant debt and that the Victim must work in prostitution to assist in repaying the debt. Traffickers typically begin forcing the Victims to work in prostitution in Mexico, frequently in a neighborhood of Mexico City known as “La Merced.” Victims are often required to see at least 20 to 40 customers per day. Traffickers monitor the number of clients a Victim sees by surveilling the Victim, communicating with brothel workers, and by counting the number of condoms provided to a Victim. Traffickers typically require the Victims to turn over all of the prostitution proceeds to the Traffickers.
1 zhanli 2018-05-03
MAIN DISCUSSION FORUM where PG investigation is happening
www.voat.co/v/pizzagate
1 waltdanger 2018-05-03
Lol at the shill brigade. The evidence for pizzagate is overwhelming and those pedos will be brought to justice if not in this life than the next.
1 zhanli 2018-05-03
James is clearly guilty of something.
If he wasn't, why would he have threatened a voat Pizzagate researcher with killing his entire family and "suing his dead body" if he didn't remove one of his posts exposing a property of Alefantis' as a potential trafficking hub, the "Pegasus Museum"?
https://youtu.be/qBn7ja_oegM
Heres an SS of the threatened guy's Police report.
https://m.imgur.com/a/PiLKE
1 pizzagate_researcher 2018-05-03
The simple answer is that the "threats" didn't actually happen and Ryan faked the whole thing. That report doesn't actually show what he told the police.
He reported the supposed threat hours after he made/uploaded the video you link (you can check the upload time here).
His only other evidence was screenshots. He's from Texas where a simple google search reveals conversations can be lawfully recorded. Why didn't he record any of his conversations with the police, or the FBI? He even admits that the thought went through his head. Yet, no action...
He claimed he "tried" to record his conversations with JA twice. One of the times he had a "buddy" next to him and neither of them thought to at least video-record the conversation. The next time, Alefantis gives him a warning before the supposed call, but Ryan still doesn't record the conversation (despite having allegedly been threatened before). Why didn't he ever call him back and record that?
He claimed to have reported Alefantis to the FBI and that they told him not to "poke the bear". Yet, he continued to talk about PG and selling pizzagate merchandise for like a year afterwards.
1 zhanli 2018-05-03
Are you claiming that he fabricated evidence, and filed a false report to the police (a report they acknowledged as legitimate), all to sell more merchandise? That doesn't sound very plausible to me.
Sounds like it would be highly illegal and dangerous move to fabricate evidence against the 49th most powerful person in Washington D.C..
https://dc.eater.com/2012/1/18/6621675/gq-names-jose-andres-james-alefantis-among-most-powerful-people-in
1 pizzagate_researcher 2018-05-03
Right, because people never do things for money. /s
He wasn't only selling t-shirts. He was begging for donations on his channel and he had a Patreon.
Although, it's really funny that you talk about plausibility when discussing pizzagate of all things. His videos are about taking a "killroom" hashtag on instagram as evidence of a literal murder. The replies on the picture also include a comment about werewolves, so I guess they're literally talking about man-beasts that roam the earth! /s Yet, in your mind, Ryan finding a "killroom" without evidence of the actual "kill" is more plausible than him trying to take advantage of gullible people? Ok.
Oh come on, do you believe everything you read in GQ? there were party planners ahead of him on that list for crying out loud lol. What kind of "power" do you think these people have? He was dating David Brock at the time, which would have put him on the radar for a magazine of GQ's caliber...
Regardless, if JA is so "powerful" why did Ryan continue posting Pizzagate nonsense (after a short break) on his channel and selling pizzagate merchandise on his site? If you were threatened by such a "powerful" foe, would you also do the same? Either he didn't take the threat (from a man he's accusing of murder) or the warning from the FBI seriously, or the "threat" and talks with the FBI were simply fabricated.
Because, short of a confession, it's virtually impossible to prove. The police aren't going to waste resources putting an investigator on a fruitless effort. It was a pretty low risk move. A move that he didn't make until hours after he recorded, edited, and uploaded his youtube video (almost as if he wasn't going to report it until people started asking for evidence). We also don't know exactly what he told the police.
But, again, forgetting that, if he was really threatened and reported those threats to the police, why didn't he ever record any of these interactions? Not just JA, but he could have called back the police and recorded himself asking questions or giving details/evidence about his report. He could have recorded the FBI telling him not to "poke the bear" (a point which you completely ignore). If any of his claims were true, he's had ample time to prove them. But, let's be real here. If you were threatened by a "powerful" man that you are accusing of murder and the fucking FBI told you to back off, would you continue hocking PG merch and vlogging about it?
1 zhanli 2018-05-03
You're full of shit
1 GuyAlefantisThretnd 2018-05-03
Hey... it’s me Ryan. Nothing was fabricated. Yes i sold shirts. I also refunded everybody who bought a shirt when the shills shit their pants over it. Focus of shirts was spreading awareness. 100% of the marketing of pizzagate was controlled by MSM. I wanted to change that. Even if my motivation was to make money... it still happened. Pegasus is real. The threats are real. The info in the video is real. His reaction was real. The police report is real. The special agent i dealt with was real.
1 zhanli 2018-05-03
This is what I've been trying to tell them, you and I have spoke before.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
Special agent? The police report says it was a police patrol officer called
1 NoThanksRandy 2018-05-03
pizzagate isnt real lol. yall are super silly still trying to push that narrative. go give alex jones a double dutch rudder if you are THAT bored. lmao
1 supsupsupwasup 2018-05-03
Alex Jones didn't start it. He tried to run with it 2 years later and made up information. He apologized to avoid a lawsuit.
1 zhanli 2018-05-03
Email inviting John Podesta and his wife to "The Farm", from Tamera Luzzato
With enormous gratitude to Advance Man Extraordinaire Haber, I am popping >> up again to share our excitement about the Reprise of Our Gang’s visit to >> the farm in Lovettsville. And I thought I’d share a couple more notes: >> **We plan to heat the pool, so a swim is a possibility. Bonnie will be >> Uber Service to transport Ruby, Emerson, and Maeve Luzzatto (11, 9, and >> almost 7) so you’ll have some further entertainment, and they will be in >> that pool for sure**. And with the forecast showing prospects of some sun, >> and a cooler temp of lower 60s, I suggest you bring sweaters of whatever >> attire will enable us to use our outdoor table with a pergola overhead so >> we dine al fresco (and ideally not al-CHILLo).
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
There was nothing about live stream Web cams on the blog and it wasn't run by Tamara.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/63l7zm/tamera_lozzatto_from_the_invite_only_emails_zoom/dfvgvb3
This was a blog of cute baby pictures with a few videos. Tamera Luzzatto did not run the blog, Evie's father did.
The blog was not invite-only until internet stalkers started harassing the Luzzattos.
There is a little bit archived here: http://archive.is/3nW3z
There were more pictures archived on sli.mg but that site has been down since mid-January.
As you can see, there's nothing unusual about the photos at all.
Also, the father tries to make humorous remarks on nearly every picture. People are trying to insinuate that there's something sinister about the phrase "raw and uncut", but that's just the way he writes.
EDIT: Well, after looking at the header on the archive.is page, I figured out there are more pages archived.
Here is the biggest group of pictures: https://archive.is/2g30Y
As you can see, there's nothing suspicious about any of the pictures.
And here is the first post on the blog:
And another one from that day:
So, it is the father who made the site.
1 hylozics 2018-05-03
When i saw these Hampstead Children years ago when this video came out there were about 10 other videos that came out with it. I remember clearly the kid saying they were "taken to pizza shops where people did sex on them." This was years before pizzagate happened. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7_epvNbaPQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCBr7rltgbg
Now lets watch what their mother has to say. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWwoe2eB-Bo
Now compare that the father. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ckt0kfioiA
This guy is a terrible actor. He is a baby eater.
1 KushnerShitIsGreasy 2018-05-03
Except this video and her allegations were debunked years ago and can be traced back to the satanic panic of the 80s and 90s.
This interview came from a psychiatrist who claimed that people who have experienced trauma suppress their memories, and a certain kind of treatment can recover these memories.
It turned out to be total bullshit. It's basically the power of suggestion and coercing events. It actually had devastating consequences as a lot of people went to jail from people all of a sudden "remembering" things that didn't happen.
After the satanic panic subsided, the psychiatrist admitted it was flawed.
"Stuff You Should Know" covered this in more detail in their podcast.
Satanic panic began with this book, Michelle Remembers
https://seanmunger.com/2014/11/06/michelle-remembers-the-story-of-the-literary-hoax-that-started-a-tragic-moral-panic/
Get informed about this stuff, none of these satanic cannibal pedo sex rings had been proven true.
http://barristerblogger.com/2015/07/05/satanic-abuse-a-reply-to-believers/
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=JBxfvDeQdmoC&pg=PA5&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
List of satanic ritual abuse allegations
1 hylozics 2018-05-03
that was obviously a cover up. It's definitely real. The victims who speak out are far more convincing than some "expert" debunking.
They haven't been proven true because they own the system. They continue to get away with their crimes because of the apathetic public. They created the system. Court houses are actually Satanic Temples created to take away humans natural law. https://aim4truth.org/2018/05/04/the-british-crown-runs-the-u-s-legal-system/
These are the richest people in the world doing this stuff. The "El- ite". It is in the name itself. These rulers are satanists and they can continue to cover up the truth because they created the entire system.
Just look at Michael Aquino... The guys started an off shoot of the The Satanic Church called the Temple of Set. He is an admitted Satanist and he was in charge of US military psychological operations. If that doesn't bring up any red flags in your mind, you've been got. Satanists run the world, of course their not going to bust themselves.
1 KushnerShitIsGreasy 2018-05-03
It's definitely not real.
There is no evidence of a satanic pedo ring which is why the courts found no evidence of it.
It's a hoax.
https://hoaxteadresearch.wordpress.com
1 aaaaaaaaaaanonymous 2018-05-03
ahahahahahahaha
1 EternalDisciple 2018-05-03
Are you blind or dumd? Jimmy savile close friend of english royalty proven to have had dungeons of you know what, and you still dont believe it
1 KushnerShitIsGreasy 2018-05-03
dumd? Saville didn't have dungeons he had a caravan.
1 WHOOP1N 2018-05-03
I learned they use adrenochrome as toppings on pizza to make it more palatable. So it's special pizza per slice...
Five another motive to those abusing children for more than orgasm slaves.
1 xolotl-tlaloc 2018-05-03
** From /u/sheasie **
Thanks for the post. I actually just pulled together a collection of #PizzaGate links:
http://pizzagate.wiki • #Pizzagate - Girl screaming for help inside of Comet Ping Pong
• Proof That It's Alefantis Making Threats (Facebook Screen capture)
• Pizzagate - 20 archived threads and Mega archive
• Before he made his instagram, account private, here is a screenshot of James Alefanti's "#murder" and #killroom"
• Child abductions are common
• Welcome to Pizzagate: Fully sourced, simply organized, summary and history of main findings (12/6)
Fully Sourced Excellent Summary of Pizzagate Evidence
NOTE: There isn't a small, handheld smoking gun, that I have seen. Much like 9/11, it's more of a smoking nuke. The mountain of circumstantial evidence is literally "unbelievable".
Special props to:
• David Seaman
• Ryan O'Niel
/knowledge is power
1 xolotl-tlaloc 2018-05-03
Yes. A current, unfolding conspiracy. Thanks for the post. Here is a list of sources - collected over time -- please take note of how many sources have now vanished from the internet (including u/sheasie -- seems to have been banned)
** From /u/sheasie **
http://pizzagate.wiki [http://pizzagate.wiki/]
• #Pizzagate - Girl screaming for help inside of Comet Ping Pong (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8CrBe59huQ#t=35s)
• Evidence That It's James Alefantis Rothschild Making Threats (Facebook Screen capture) [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RqMMm52CWxE]
• Evidence That James Alefantis Rothschild is a Rothschild [https://pastebin.com/p1HcYw6d] <-- public information since AUG 5, 2017
• Pizzagate - 20 archived threads and Mega archive [https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1469844]
• Before he made his instagram, account private, here is a screenshot of James Alefantis Rothschild's "#murder" and #killroom" [https://i.sli.mg/86mWlT.png]
• Child abductions are common [https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5h7iyr/great_graphic_in_pizzagateand_children_missing/]
• Welcome to Pizzagate: Fully sourced, simply organized, summary and history of main findings (12/6) [https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1467064]
Fully Sourced Excellent Summary of Pizzagate Evidence [https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5ivs7e/fully_sourced_excellent_summary_of_pizzagate/]
NOTE: There isn't a small, handheld smoking gun, that I have seen. Much like 9/11, it's more of a smoking nuke. The mountain of circumstantial evidence is literally "unbelievable".
Special props to:
• David Seaman [https://vid.me/davidseaman]
• Ryan O'Niel [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcppgo_Slk-_BeGVZtyqONw]
/knowledge is power
1 GuyAlefantisThretnd 2018-05-03
O’Neal :)
1 SymphonyofWar181 2018-05-03
What’s contest mode?
1 Ieuan1996 2018-05-03
It randomises the comment thread order each time you load, and hides the scores
1 SymphonyofWar181 2018-05-03
I like it
1 Syricco 2018-05-03
Does anyone else REMEMBER that up until about 15-20 years ago, pedophilia related crimes were ALWAYS capital punishment offense? mandela effect + pedogate?
1 trevmon 2018-05-03
you mean death penalty? no that was never the case
1 axolotl_peyotl 2018-05-03
The Disruptors seem to have moved on from this thread so it's been restored from contest mode (which appears to be working wonders to combat those with ill intentions towards /r/conspiracy).
1 IbDotLoyingAwright 2018-05-03
That's fascism.
'Only post if you agree with me. If you disagree I will lock down all discussion until you go away.'
1 Devatron05 2018-05-03
Bottom line, this world is sick
1 GuyAlefantisThretnd 2018-05-03
Pegasus Museum. Still can’t get over the way he responded
1 whistlingwhistlerer 2018-05-03
Anyone ever try spying on the Bros? Or Elephant ass? What about test those supposed recordings of him threatening that dude? Any serious follow ups or news?
1 treesfrommars 2018-05-03
This is something which can never be stopped. "HST"
1 thisisgettingworse 2018-05-03
Allow me to chip in with what will undoubtedly be seen as a provocative post. Human sex trafficking is being blurred purposefully by the media. On the one hand, there is the very real child trafficking from third world and war other torn countries, this trafficking is being carried out by organisations most people think are 'there to help '.
However, the lines are being blurred by the adult trafficking, where, it is claimed the women thought they were getting jobs as cleaners or au pairs but were forced by wicked men into prostitution. These are almost always complete bullshit. Allow me to explain.
I know of a couple who operated in Paris, they would go to cambodia, Vietnam and northern regions of thailand to recruit prostitutes. They would arrange visas, pay for flights and provide accommodation. The girls all knew they would be prostitutes, but told their parents that they had been offered real jobs in France. This couple would provide all clients for the girls and until their debt had been paid they needed to pay 30% of their earnings to the couple. Once the debt had been paid they just paid 10% of their earnings. All of this is made clear to the girls.
So, off they went to be prostitutes. Even with the 30% deductions they would be making more money than they could ever hope to earn in their home countries. Please remember these girls are whores, they were whores back home too. One thing whores do better than anything is lie. They lie to punters "you're so handsome", "i love a fat man", "i prefer older men" etc. They lie to their friends and family "i work at the airport", "i have a rich boyfriend" etc. Yet you all think that when the police raid their brothels they suddenly become bastions of truth?
Think about it. They get raided and they have two choices, tell the truth and be immediately imprisoned, have all their belongings confiscated and await deportation. Or, say they thought they were going to be a cleaner but the evil men forced them to be whores. This story will get them immediately put on a working visa, authorities will try to get them proper jobs, pay for their education and give them full welfare rights. No surprises for guessing theyll claim to have been trafficked.
Just go on holiday to Thailand. Go to any border control and look at the queues of young girls all waiting to get in. You can see the girls who are wanting to get in to become whores, and there are thousands of them. Often travelling alone or with just one other friend. There is an over abundance of girls willing to be whores. The same is true of eastern europe, they are awash with prostitutes. Why would you need to force anyone to do something that an over supply of people are willing to do? You wouldn't!
These adults who claim to have been trafficked are being used as a smokescreen for the real trafficking that is going on. Almost all the busts are dealing with adults, not kids.
1 jcash21 2018-05-03
This is incredibly insightful I haven't really considered this possibility before - but it makes sense. Thanks friend.
1 Freedomfighter3087 2018-05-03
Its real
1 dekuscrubber 2018-05-03
Hey, we did it, this is the round table I've been waiting for. I'll look up more stuff later.
1 An_Endless_Punch 2018-05-03
Testing my comments as I'm over the 2 month mark.
1 BonnaroovianBetaMale 2018-05-03
Just watched the joe Rohan Alex jones podcast, they go into detail on pizza gate and other crazy elitist globalist conspiracy’s that are proven. really opens your eyes
1 PM_ME_UR_MAZDA 2018-05-03
I like to think about this as if everything that Podesta/Alefantis was accused of as merely coincidental just to see if it changes my mind.
The freaky art and performances are simply a progressive, urban art style that my simple conservative mind can’t understand.
The association with known pedos and deviants like Epstein, Silsby, Clinton, Weiner, and Richards are all coincidental. Just because their associates are guilty of certain crimes, doesn’t mean that Pgate is automatically true. Their relationships are established as somewhat close but not necessarily beyond a business capacity. These are wealthy people after all.
Bill Clinton really is Chelsea’s father and Danney Williams is a hoax. We can never definitively prove either parentage without DNA, no matter how similar in appearance Hubbell/Williams may be to their alledged progenitors.
All of the weird sexual comments involving minors and murder are unfortunately timed private jokes not meant for widespread scrutiny.
All of the money associated with the political connections are no different than when conservative heavyweights promote their causes, and does not indicate a black market cabal.
Clinton et al. really are simply progressive patriots that only wish to champion liberal causes and ideals but can’t escape constant stumpings by Trump.
1 zeropoint357 2018-05-03
Great topic! Well done axol.
1 kymikal 2018-05-03
In the response to the new Qposts. Especially: #FutureProvesPast #TrustNoOne I think people need to start looking at the connections with Jones, Stone, and Megyn Kelly. Joe Biggs left Infowars after he was covering the weird emails from Podesta involving pedo language. Then Alex went on and on about a False Flag and blaming him/Infowars. Well what do you know. It happened, exactly like he said. It was like he had "good intel" or he "knows the Globalist". Because some dude shot a computer in Ping Pong Pizza parlor and it was blamed on infowars. Then Megyn Kelly did an interview with the owner of Ping Pong Pizza to discredit Infowars when she was still on Fox. Then the lawsuit emerged from the owner of Ping Pong Pizza and Alex made an official statement about it being fake. It was no longer discussed. Then there was the epic Megyn Kelly interview where it was a supposed "hit job" on Alex. He recorded her and posted. Blah blah blah. Then when you go back in time before the election during the debate hosted by Megyn Kelly she asked Trump the question about women. That was the one where Trump said, Only Rosie O'Donnell. Roger Stone resigned from the campaign (Trump claimed he fired him). Then a little later he joins Infowars. All of this is very weird. Jones has been in a lot of films and the media all make fun of him. He seems like he doesn't even bat an eye to all the negativity. It is looking to me like that is his job. It doesn't bother him and he is not afraid, because he is in on it. He has people all over the place using him as a "scapegoat" to make fun of "truthers". He freaks out with hysteria and fake crying. He makes sure guest don't say certain things. It's like he is, "controlled opposition".
Or better yet....they are all connected to the SEX CULT! Go to minute 3:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0-Sf4Fo9OM
Like Q has indicated...THIS IS BIGGER THAN YOU IMAGINE, NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO WALK THE STREET, and TRUST NO ONE.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
You don't like legal pornography?
1 Rayfloyd 2018-05-03
I'm all for having 2 sides
It does get tiring when one side refuses to look at evidence themselves and just go back to "it's debunked" or "it's crazy"
These people should fuck right off the sub imo as they are not contributing a meaningful end of the discussion
And my comment wasn't directed at JLE at all lol, more in a general sense in reply to bignuke
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1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
Where did you hear that?
Thw indictment doesn't mention minors.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4443573-Raniere-Mack-Indictment.html#document/p2
1 pizzagate_researcher 2018-05-03
That person's claims involve them being an adult when sexually harassed. As bad as that might be (given that it's a completely anonymous accusation), it's no where near the accusations of pedophilia, murder, or trafficking.
Furthermore, when people ask for victims, they're not saying to show us victims coming forward. They are asking for evidence that the victims even exist. Were any of the accused behaving strangely right before a child they were involved with disappeared? Was blood found in their freezer? Do people consistently go missing after meeting them? These would be examples of some kind of evidence that the victims even exist.
Pizzagate simply has none of this evidence. Only anonymous accusations. And in the case of the link you sent, not even really "pizzagate"-related, since they were not a minor, and weren't trafficked or murdered. Like I said earlier, not excusing that behavior if it's actually true, but it hardly supports your claim that pizzagate victims exist.
1 talleyhooo 2018-05-03
If I make an AMA stating without evidence that Trump and Putin pounded my asshole in a Moscow hotel in 2013, will you cite that as proof too?
1 Linquist 2018-05-03
Kind of an iffy link there.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
FYI /u/SVMESSEFVIFVTVRVS doxxed himself in that email chain you posted.
1 frisbee_coach 2018-05-03
Good work. Thank you mods.
1 JoeyBulgaria 2018-05-03
With all due respect, how is it spam? The “dominoes on cheese or on pasta” has been cited as “evidence” regarding Pizzagate in threads such as this one
I provided context using primary sources, about a phrase that is commonly cited regarding pizzagate. Was the issue that it’s been posted before? What rule is that a violation of?
1 CWPL-21 2018-05-03
Read the followup be the mods. He is literally being told everything he post is spam. If the mods deem what you post the be in bad faith, they can delete it as spam on a whim. everything.
Also is reeks of gate keeping. Post anything arguing against the premise of the post, leave.
"I would reevaluate my life, my goals, my duty as a human? That is what I would do if I were you" great response from a mod right?
1 JoeyBulgaria 2018-05-03
My comment itself was relevant to PizzaGate, I used the Podesta emails to show how the “dominoes on pasta” email makes sense with context. It’s relevant to the topic at hand, yeah? I’d posted it before, but I posted it here because I thought it would add to the discussion. It’s a collection of primary sources, it’s not like there’s anything to rephrase. I wasn’t really trying to “say anything” with my own voice, per se, I just compiled some of the emails to tell their own story
1 leftistpatriot 2018-05-03
Australian elite-pedo victim Fiona Barnett, who was born into a pedo-ring run by a U.S. military network, said that the U.S. military breeds their own children for sex, slavery & sacrifice. The Finders were transporting children who had "never seen running water, television or electricity."
Fiona Barnett has been almost 100% ignored by this subreddit. She was loud & vocal for years, had her own podcast & website, and then she went missing in late 2017.
As of May 3, I guarantee you will find thousands of Pizzagate posts in a search of this subreddit. I guarantee you will find a couple dozen posts about Fiona Barnett maximum. Fiona Barnett: A recently living witness who couldn't get the time of day from r/conspiracy. Maybe because she had no weaponized partisan political value?
Maybe also because she dared blame the U.S. military, with its vast budget & international resources? And every pre-Pizzagate pedo-ring scandal supports that conclusion? Meanwhile it looks like I'm supposed to pay more attention to a Pizza shop who flaunt pedo symbols, than to the multi-trillion-dollar Pentagon. Alefantis wants you to notice, but with no victims (unlike Franklin, Fiona or Dutroux, all with military connections).
1 leftistpatriot 2018-05-03
Australian elite-pedo victim Fiona Barnett, who was born into a pedo-ring run by a U.S. military network, said that the U.S. military breeds their own children for sex, slavery & sacrifice. The Finders were transporting children who had "never seen running water, television or electricity."
Fiona Barnett has been almost 100% ignored by this subreddit. She was loud & vocal for years, had her own podcast & website, and then she went missing in late 2017.
As of May 3, I guarantee you will find thousands of Pizzagate posts in a search of this subreddit. I guarantee you will find a couple dozen posts about Fiona Barnett maximum. Until later this week, so Reddit can cover their tracks. Fiona Barnett: A recently living witness who couldn't get the time of day from r/conspiracy. Maybe because she had no weaponized partisan political value?
Maybe also because she dared blame the U.S. military, with its vast budget & international resources? And every pre-Pizzagate pedo-ring scandal supports that conclusion? Meanwhile it looks like I'm supposed to pay more attention to a Pizza shop who flaunt pedo symbols, than to the multi-trillion-dollar Pentagon. Alefantis wants you to notice, but with no victims who will prosecute (unlike Franklin, Fiona or Dutroux, all with military connections).
1 Jerrimu 2018-05-03
>alleged emails
1 pizzagate_researcher 2018-05-03
I'm not sure what the "original report" would be, let alone where to find it. I think the guy I linked was replying to someone who uploaded some documents or something. Or you can submit a FOIA request, like they did. But I'm not sure what a report like this would say. I don't think there's much meaningful information that can be recorded (other than the allegations) when there's no witnesses of a crime (or victims).
Generally speaking, police investigate crimes, not people. It can get really murky, civil rights-wise, if police go around shaking people down for little/no reason. Without evidence of a crime, like a witness or a crime scene to pin on a suspect, there's not much for them to go on.
I've suggested in the past that pizzagaters hire a personal investigator, but I've never seen anything come of it. However, after researching the evidence/accusations myself, I'm not even sure any investigator would take the job (since I don't think the clients would be too happy with the results). The "evidence" Pizzagaters are going on basically boils down to accusations and speculation, mixed in with a hefty dose of lies/misleading information. And anybody who disagrees with them opens themselves up to personally targeted attacks, which I see happen all the time.
1 RecoveringGrace 2018-05-03
A realtor upon describing a handkerchief that was left behind at a property.
1 fakebeach 2018-05-03
It was sent by Susan Sandler, of the Sandler Foundation (major donor to the DNC).
Her exact phrasing was "The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yorus (sic)? They can send it if you want."
Absolutely bizarre, yet no one has ever asked Podesta to explain it, nor any of the other questionable emails.
1 JaimeLesEnfants 2018-05-03
But as you just said Podesta didn't use the alleged code, it was Susan.
So where is the evidence he has to answer? If there is evidence of a crime he should absolutely be held accountable
Because acknowledging such ridiculous claims can only be damaging.
I don't agree.
As you said Susan Sandler emailed him to tell him about the handkerchief. Although actually it was Kathryn Tate the realtor who first mentioned the handkerchief. Because she is in the business of selling homes and wants to return property to people viewing her homes for sale - like a professional.
1 The-Juggernaut 2018-05-03
You are correct. We were "told" that's where the bullet hit....which is still kinda sloppy. But shills will say "OMG HE COULD HAVE KILLED SOMEONE!" yeah so could the shitty driver I was behind earlier this morning.
1 ChucksnCheers 2018-05-03
Gotcha. Makes sense.
1 zhanli 2018-05-03
He's clearly guilty of something.
If he wasn't, why would he have threatened a voat Pizzagate researcher with killing his entire family and "suing his dead body" if he didn't remove one of his posts exposing a property of Alefantis' as a potential trafficking hub, the "Pegasus Museum"?
https://youtu.be/qBn7ja_oegM
1 NoThanksRandy 2018-05-03
no there is not a shred of evidence. but that is why the less fortunate (cognitively) will continue to post as if there is. Its almost as sad as it is interesting.
1 calebdallas 2018-05-03
The Alefantis stuff is pretty strange however. Here’s CPP being called out in 2008 http://archive.is/ezdQE
Here's people posting about comet ping pong https://archive.is/FMLbx https://archive.fo/mKH6M
James Alefantis' sister, Susan Alefantis wrote a letter in support of a teacher who was convicted of molesting 5 girls:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/835178/kloman-letter-writers.pdf
Here is an article on the abuser: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/potomac-school-investigation-uncovers-more-alleged-abuse/2014/06/30/57abfa0e-0072-11e4-8fd0-3a663dfa68ac_story.html
1 Tookmyprawns 2018-05-03
You people keep confusing yourselves.
1 Analiator 2018-05-03
it isnt randomizing things. In contest mode it isnt the votes of the comments its who spams the most... which is even more annoying.