What?

Ahh that makes sense. I thought you were talking about 23 people and yourself.

It's where you go after "Forever 21"

I guess the name refers to the number of chromosomes, but I think it sounds more like it should be a young womens clothes shop.

Hacked would be just another word for given in a case like this

That is why we need to adopt a private blockchain network for our genomic data. Here is a project that is nearing completion that will allow you to upload your genomic data into a secure network that utilizes blockchain technology to give you control over who has access to your information and at what price they can pay you for access.

https://encrypgen.com

How do you get your genomic data in the first place in order to upload it to their blockchain though? Short of doing it yourself, you'll still have to "trust" some third party to do it for you, and not keep it for themselves.

using private keys, you have the private key to unlock your data and you submit your dna signed with the anonymous public key, and payment. They analyse and sequence your dna and then using a public key submit the data to the blockchain. then once its on the chain you can gain control over it using your private key.

Ooooh I like the sound of that. Definitely going to look into this further, thanks for the info!

lol you don’t seem to appreciate you’re trusting them to do all that & also trusting they do it in a secure manor. What if their staging storage is hacked? That’d be pre-encryption.

If 23 and me promised to encrypt your data, would you believe them?

There are currently a few testing companies that respect your right to maintain genomic privacy and will not use your data for their own interests like 23andMe does. One of Encrypgen's partners is Codigo46 which is Mexico's equivalent of 23andMe but they do not practice the selling of your data. Your entire genomic data set isn't actually going to be stored on their blockchain, the Gene-chain. The transactions of your data, meta-data connecting your genomic data to you, and possibly a portion of your genomic data will be on the blockchain. If they attempted to put the gigabytes of data that your genome would take up on a blockchain it wouldn't be able to scale past a few people's genomes due to the size.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but does that mean there is still some level of “trust” I need to put into a third party?

Yes, but when the company's found and CEO was one of the major opponents to companies patenting people's genomic data and an ethicist that fights for people's right to own and control their data it is far easier to trust their intentions. The thesis of the project is to give individuals control over their genomic data and security is at the core of the development. I am not a software developer, so my ability to comprehend the nuance of the project's functionality is limited, but I have had conversations with the CEO himself and he assured us that the program is being setup to make it nearly impossible for someone's genomic data to be stolen and traced back to the individual.

You can go to the company's official discord and talk to the CEO himself.

https://discord.gg/bP9tb75

I’m sorry, but you lost me at “Yes”.

It is currently impossible to have a fully decentralized blockchain network that allows individuals to store and transfer something as data extensive as their personal genomic data. This is as good as it gets as far as creating a genomic data network that is secure and gives people control over their data. If you cannot put an ounce of trust in an institution such as Encrypgen then you probably shouldn't even sequence your genome. For those that need to or desire to sequence their genome and need to be able to transfer that data to their doctor or sell access to third party researchers then this is the most secure and private means to do so.

Genomic data is nearly impossible to keep private. We're shedding dna all of the time and if you were on someone's radar they could trivially collect a sample and test it themselves. It might only be a matter of time before employers willingly pay to test their employees (tacked on as part of a drug test) so they can make decisions based on that data.

You can't be too paranoid because perfect security is impossible. Some trust at some point is okay.

Yeah. Blockchain idea solves nothing. It just gives retards the illusion that things are legit.

That happened over a year ago, I heard about it 1.5 years back, and it was kept internal to them. The more interesting aspect of 23 and Me is that they are using the data from the individuals to create new drugs. So, you are paying them money to give them your genetic information, and submit your health and your families background, that they are using to make a profitable drug. They're already in animal studies with these drugs. The CEO's divorce from Sergei Brin of Google, and where and how much money flowed around.

I may be wrong but don't they destroy the samples after testing? There was a smarter every day video about how it all works. I get it may not be 100% accurate because they knew it was being filmed, but I'd at least like to believe they are semi responcible with that information/samples. Worst case what can be done if that info does get stolen?

Couldn't they just document it and keep it on file? Then destroy the sample?

I could be wrong but I believe there is an option to destroy both, I've never done it but I think I remember seeing it in the video that you have have all info destroyed

Like Facebook when you close your account?

Im not saying they don't lie and keep it, idk if that happens or not. I just assume you could sue in that situation

Just like you can sue Facebook?

I have no idea I'm not a lawyer or a geologist.

If you read the user agreements, it always has an “arbitration clause” that means their lawyers decide if you’ve been wronged. It takes away the class action suite which was the only effective way to battle large corporations.

If you sue on your own, they will drag it out in court until your broke.. they have deep pockets.

Not trying to beat you up, just pointing out the facts of life when giving something as valuable as your DNA to a corporation.

If you like movies, you could check out one called Gattaca... it is kind of a final logical end to what they want your dna for..

Ya Its not something I plan on doing or ever have, my point was if there is an option from a company in which both parties agree to something, not following through seems like a breach of contract, but I get the reality that with enough money you can do what ever you want.

It would make sense that you have keep to your word, but fuck common sense and decency right? Let's make fuck tons of cash. /s

Pretty much the deal... The reason I believe, it will be so profitable is..,

A: law enforcement ( although they could subpoena it, it makes more sense to just buy the data base outright)

B: insurance companies... Then you can really jack the premiums for genetically risky people ( or just deny them coverage altogether)

No, they don't say they do that, and even if they did they have the results on file so there is nothing more to gain from the sample anyway.

No they say the keep them for research testing, but I think you can opt out, or so they say.

"Hacked"

Just use a fake name like I did.

I didn’t realize you could do this.

what is your source?

I'm just asking because I wanted to look up more info. Truth makes it way out eventually. I'm sure we will hear about it. Thanks for the heads up. If you find more info about what they suspect was taken please let me know! (I'd prefer CC info stolen to genetic info, ya know?).

So you have some "insider" knowledge? AKA you're full of shit.

source?

And the gov't is using genetic info from these companies to solve cold cases. Cousin bob spit in a tube and now the golden state killer has been found

This is why yo don't give these people your DNA.

The idea of willingly giving DNA to a 3rd party company... trips me out.

question to anyone familiar with the test, cant you simply provide a false name so they cant link your dna to your real identity so you keep your enetic data safe from 3rd parties?

Viruses that target homogenous populations using geographically mapped DNA data comes to mind. Creepy.