you did quite a lot of work here. This is the type of content that is appreciated around here. upvoted

no doubt, this post is a goldmine of links

Absolutely fascinated by the amount of links there are on his death, and I haven't finished going through them but they all appear to have the same information. Great work OP! They might wanna scrub YOU off the internet now... or hire you ;)

It seems that the more links in a post, the less those links are followed.

This is why I personally try to only include one, sometimes two, links per OP.

'Less is more'.

Understandable POV. Shills often use walls of text or sources to appear legitimate and dissuade others from even following links (appeal to authority) but oftentimes these links are 1 or 2 sentence articles.

OP did some real detective work evidenced by the web.archive links. These links WERE scrubbed and he did actually RESEAECH.

Fucking impressive

Shills often use walls of text or sources to appear legitimate and dissuade others from even following links

Bullet points and numbered lists are also a common theme you'll find with actual shill posts.

I notice none of the links offer quotes for which death was confirmed. There is no proof being offered up at all. Just a general speculation that he may have passed away due to illness. Or is so ill, he's been relegated to a non-immediate/incapacitated threat.

Interesting food for thought, but no evidence he actually died in the early 2000s. Just an assumption that was being made at the time which may not have been true.

So what conclusions do you draw from this?

Them hiding his death thus making him an asset to boost a future political figure?

Were they just trying to see how well they can overwrite history?

Incredible post

Bin Laden was a big name around that time, therefore being the best scapegoat to pin as the "mastermind" behind the 9/11 false flag.

It is important to note that Bin Laden was never indited, and proof of his "death" in 2011 was some dude sitting in a house in Afghanistan watching the news. No tangible proof was ever given.

There was also very suspicious circumstances surrounding the death of members of Seal Team 6.

There are many more "plotholes" if you will, such as completely botched translations and Osama magically appearing younger and younger as the years progressed. Corbett did an episode on this; I'll see if I can find it.

Excellent post!

What do you suppose was the significance of Obama claiming special forces killed bin Laden in a midnight raid in May, 2011?

Peace prize, Obamas legacy? Immediately come to mine

He already had the Nobel in 2011. But he was up for re-election in 2012. 18 months before the election seems kind of soon to have much of an effect - of course, i know he still beat that drum on the campaign trail.

My chronogoly is bad but it does seem too much risk for too little payoff. Rewriting history and all that.

Is it possible the other Osama was a CIA plant? Possibly another loose end tied up on the midnight raid?

Interesting. Perhaps another asset they had right down the street from a Pakistan military base that needed eliminating and they could sell as bin Laden?

They could fit the ID retroactively so could have called whoever they wanted to kill Osama.

It's possible the pseudo-osama (in the video decried as propaganda by bush) was another of their assets; planted there to do whatever before ultimately being tied up in the raid by his handlers

Eother scenario works

Perhaps 18 months gives someone sufficient time to cover tracks prior to the election? Like if someone talked and said "No way that was bin Laden" the administration has 18 months to deal with them and cover it up without doing damage to the 2012 campaign.

I am reasonably certain the men actually involved in the mission and the "burial at sea" (give me a goddang break, who believed that?) really believe they killed bin Laden and buried him at sea.

Almost all of them died almost immediately.

Lots of helicopter crashes.

It was weird. But looking back it makes more sense now

No, none of the people in the helicopter crash were part of the raid.

You didn't read what I said.

Almost all of the people in the raid, were killed or died under suspicious circumstances, usually by helicopter crashes.

Sources? I tried to find stuff to back up the helicopters but all I found so far was that none of the seal team 6 members that died were part of red squadron, which was on the ground in the raid.

Only thing countering this is a statement from a lawyer representing 3 families from extortion 17, saying that there were 3(?) men part of the raid.

Any info about these other crashes or suspicious deaths?

https://youtu.be/9wJjI31X5pA

Thanks.

That was done to ensure his reelection and so he could tweet this.

Election year, gotta reelect the guy that killed Bin Laden

K so why not orchestrate this event even sooner to help get a republican elected (McCain in 08)?

Because it's only effective for an incumbent. During the 2004 election, "Osama" put out a video denigrating Bush and telling Americans not to vote for him, it's widely thought to have swung the election in Bush's favor

The manipulation by the Bush administration at that point was obscene. At any slight dip in approval or doubt in "The mission", suddenly there's a new Bin Laden video to spook the public with. Nevermind that Bin Laden was not showing signs of aging from renal impairment, nor that they all looked like they came from the same stock of 98-'01 videos. Nor, for that matter, that this big bad terrorist seemed interest in showing any physical visual proof he was still alive, be it newspaper headlines or whatever else have you. That's not even getting into the terror alert color levels... I thought those were never going to vanish, and I think it's only a matter of time until Trump's administration pulls em back out now that Bolton's on board.

I doubt it. Trumps scare rhetoric was used to get him elected. The idea is, now that he’s in office things are more safe not less. His new slogan for 2020 is keep America great. Rolling out the threat levels undermines that message.

don't forget gas prices beautifully following the approval rating, courtesy of bandar bush & co

lol...because that wasn't part of the script...

Don't fool yourself into believing that all these puppet presidents over the last 106+ years don't serve the same masters, regardless of political party.

Most definitely. Also, gotta kill the guys who fake killed Bin Laden.

Seriously though, the majority (if not all) of Seal Team 6 were killed in a helicopter crash just 3 months after their involvement in the mission that purportedly resulted in Bin Laden's death. The crash was caused by local insurgents shooting down the chopper.

I heard from a second hand source (so take this next part with a grain of salt) of someone from Afghanistan who knew the area in which the incident happened, and expressed doubt that the insurgents there would have the money for (or access to) weapons capable of shooting down a military helicopter.

Who do you think sold them stinger missiles in the 80s to literally shoot down helicopters?

Even worse we distributed school books that pushed radicilazation on children to make them better fighters. Woops.

Expect for the fact that you know Extortion 17 wasn’t even the same squadron of seals that went on the UBL raid. But ya know who cares about actual facts.

Sources, references...for your "facts"

Don’t have the book with me right now but the book “Relentless Strike” goes through both the UBL raid and the shoot down of extortion 17. It also has the info on the general structure of units like DEVGRU and which squadrons were on the operations. The UBL raid was made entirely of senior members of red squadron where as extortion 17 was made up of members of gold squadron. Again sorry I can’t give you exact quotes I don’t own the book anymore but this info can also be found in news reports as well.

Relentless Strike”

But mug obummer

the majority (if not all) of Seal Team 6 were killed in a helicopter crash just 3 months after their involvement in the mission that purportedly resulted in Bin Laden's death.

Absolutely false. Source for this claim?

25 Navy Seals from Seal Team 6 died in the helicopter crash, none of whom were involved with the Bin Laden raid.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/08/06/afghan-president-31-americans-killed-in-helicopter-crash.html

Where's your source for "none of whom"...cause it's not in the Foxnews link.

"the majority (if not all) of Seal Team 6 were killed"

Absolutely, absolutely made up in order to support your take on the matter. DEVGRU is pretty large, and their missions are ordinarily quite dangerous, and always in failed or collapsed states. You have to exercise a higher level of control with "facts."

Fuckers shot at our helicopters while I was in Afghan regular enough. We was in the middle of nowhere...

If he was killed during the Bush presidency, why wouldn't they want credit for it? Especially since Bush was highly unpopular towards the end. Why would they allow Obama to get credit?

it could have been a handoff of approval from bush to obama, they ended up being pretty chummy and having similar policies, different angles of warhawking

Yeah I saw a lot of stuff saying Bush gave the presidency to Obama in the past.

Well if Bush is just a puppet for the military industrial complex and he couldn't get re-elected, then why worry about his approval rating?

Because why waste it on someone who can't be involved any more when you can use it to boost ratings later on for someone who does need it?

They weren't done using bin Laden when Bush was still in office. He was still their primary boogeyman.
Also, the Obama Administration was just a continuation of the Bush Administration; just the next stage in using the U.S. the military to terrorize the globe, and using fear, deception and corrupt politicians to expand the police state at home.

Here's what I'd speculate:

1) In the entire world, there were probably 5-10 people who really and truly knew if UBL was dead. So George Bush couldn't claim "victory" over UBL because there wasn't a certainty that he was truly dead. Even UBL's own wives weren't sure if he was alive or dead. UBL was in Afghanistan, he didn't have the luxury of picking up a cel phone and making a call.

2) After nearly ten years of this, it became clear that the rumors were true: By 2011, the US government was 99.9% certain that UBL was dead.

At that point, they had the freedom to "go kill him."

Keep in mind, it's very possible that even Seal Team Six doesn't know that UBL was already dead. They went to Pakistan and killed some dude; the dude that they killed may have simply been a random Pakistani who happened to resemble UBL. It's not like they had a conversation with the dude, they just flew out there, killed him, and took off with the body. UBL doesn't carry a driver's license, and nobody has a sample of his DNA.

The official story is that they compared DNA from cooperating respectable members of the Bin Laden family

Was it an election year? Is May 2011 the same as November 2012?

If it’s true that Osama was killed/died so long ago the only way out of the ‘lie’ for the government would be to somehow ‘kill’ him publicly.

A pin in Obama’s hat? Propaganda? Justification of the trillions of dollars and thousands of lives lost in the war of terror?

Wasn't this just 4 days after he released his birth certificate?

Yes, the Long form birth certificate which Obama posted on the White House website was being analysed and torn apart as the obvious fake it was. The equally fake Abbottabad raid coincided with the media dropping the birth certificate issue completely.

This is what it was and when it was used. Typical 'Gary Webb' move.

Not sure why you have been downvoted while every user who says "election year" has been upvoted.

When did the birther stuff start?

When macain was born in Panama in a milltary base

Natural born citizen just means you've been a citizen since birth, it has nothing to do with where you were born.

So Hollywood could make a few movies

I think he promised that on the campaign without knowing he was dead. Maybe that's why the Military owned him, they did him a "favor" by "killing" Osama.

As others said election cycle but maybe as a cover-up. After a decade of searching and false positives maybe they were finally comfortable hanging up the axe but didn't want to admit that their was a good chance he was already dead.

Everyone is pointing at Obama as having some nefarious hidden agenda with this. May 2011 was not an election year, and campaigning had barely started. Romney’s campaign didn’t start until June 2011 and he won the nomination on Aug 28, 2012 so there was A LOT of campaigning to do.

I think the most likely scenario, if it’s true Bin Laden was dead ahead of time, is that they needed to stop pretending in order to ‘de escalate’/ shift the war with the added bonus of vilifying Pakistan. In order to do so they needed to publicly and finally ‘kill off’ Bon Laden. If they didn’t kill him off then you would always have people asking why they gave up and what happened, it would just be a mess.

Of course I’m speculating and can’t know for sure, BUT immediately throwing Obama under the bus because it was an election year is pretty kooky.

I think that scenario is very likely. The raid and 'death' of bin Laden was an attempt to take some of the wind out of the sails of Al Qaeda. With bin Laden dead, AQ could no longer claim he was in charge and no longer use his escape as proof of their success.

~10 year anniversay reminder/return of the entrainment show pulled off 2001

They were bringing in the new CIA-fabricated boogeymen called "ISIS".
It was time to do away with the old white-robed camel jockey version of "terrorism" and replace it with the new, slick, vicious, well-funded, technologically-adept, globally dispatched & networked version.
And, as usual, they probably made sure the charade served multiple purposes. In this case, they gave an impression of progress in the "war on terror" and strength & competence in the White House. They also began to use the media to paint the region as harborers of terrorists; as knowingly providing safe-haven for bin Laden. This was likely used to as pressure/leverage to accomplish something that was never reported on.
And, of curse, as usual, it was likely something else going on that they were diverting attention away from.

Bin lades brother I beleve was suing the USA goverment and he died in a very suspucious plane crash in a small town in the UK

Bin Laden's brother Salem bin Laden died in TX in 1988 in an ultralight accident. Or did another brother die in the UK?

Brother-in-law and half sister last year.

+4 = 147

Well, my my my.

And it's a plane crash too! Hmm wonder who it could have been..

Bin ladens brother I beleve was suing the USA goverment

What?

Even before i considered myself woke....i recall being huddled in a barracks about 20 Marines deep watching the news report on the raid that allegedly resulted in Bin Laden's death....being told his body was dumped in the ocean lol...

I knew that shit was a lie

I was in Paris Island when they told us.

Semper Fi my brother

Semper Fi Devil!

I have a good friend who was in 1/9 around that time.

I remember I was at the stagecoach music festival, surrounded by a lot of conservatives. That was what, less than a eat away from the election? It was not lost on me as I watched all these right leaning people celebrate that this was likely a calculated move to placate this group from giving a big enough shit about Obama’s re-election to really mobilize.

It was over a year and a half away from the election.

The sentiment remained. I knew a lot of conservative people who lightened up on obama after that. Shows me that regardless if it was for this reason or not, it could have been because it worked to some extent.

I was 13 at the time and ALWAYS thought it was fishy............. that was definitely not an intentional pun

Im still salty that they claimed they dropped him in the ocean.

How about being in Bagram Afghanistan.

Me: Whatsup man Friend: we killed bin laden Me: Sure...

Later on...NO SHIT...

Captured despite earlier reports that he was dead, dumped in an ocean with no video or photographic evidence of his death (even video of Saddam was "leaked"), and a movie went into works depicting that heroic night.

What's not to believe?

Part of me wonders if the whole thing was to bring the end of the War in Afghanistan, which obviously didn't happen, but was President Obama's campaign promise that actually looked like it was going to happen when he first got into office.

Of course he died back then. But lets keep saying Clinton, Bush and Obama (who KNEW this but STILL perpetuated the lie to keep the war going) are a lot better qualified than Trump to be POTUS.

Trump needs to bring all the troops home. NOW!!!!

But he won't, because he is just as much of a terror warrior as the rest of them, and will keep this narrative going to perpetuate the so called "war on terror".

Any body remember the movie Iron Man 3? Remember Ben Kinsley's character, "The Mandarin"? Basically the world thinks this guy is a super villian but he is really just an actor that has nothing to do with the crimes he is being blamed on. He is an asset by the CIA. They tell us and show us the truth all the time in movies. The old saying still rings true: Truth in movies, lies in media

This. The bin Laden family and the Bush family have been friends for generations.

LOL, the Bush family were friends of the Hinckley family too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_mvsF42PQ0

Didn't know this thanks

So you're telling me that your qualification for evidence is that you saw it in a movie?

Who says it's evidence? It's an observation.

What's so wrong about that?

I mean, I'm not entirely sure I agree with the idea that the writers of these movies deliberately "plant" these ideas. In fact I don't agree with that. It's more reasonable to assume there are some among them who read as we do, think as we do, and mirror what they see in their stories, consciously or just perceptively.

It's not proof or "evidence" for bin Laden having been little more than an actor or puppet, but the portrayal of the Mandarin is a pretty good estimation of what otherwise appears to be the case, as OP's post suggests.

How is it that the military and the CIA and whoever else was supposedly looking for Enemy #1 "couldn't find" the guy for years, but a CNN reporter can schedule an interview with the man himself? He was never a danger to anyone, and nobody looked to find him. Troops were sent to comb the desert, and whatever else they were sent there for.

Hollywood is full of writing staff that dig deep into their connections to talk to people who work in dark corners of the government, business, gangs. I’m not saying that movies are ‘true’, but they get a lot of ideas from primary sources.

For sure that is part of it too.

i was just about to mention iron man 3, it's so similar it's scary.

Why would Bin Laden's network not keep any record / any hard evidence of his death to counter the U.S. narrative? If the U.S. faked everything to drum up support and confidence, Al Qaeda, or whatever network was supporting Bin Laden at the time of the death would have to be the stupidest people to ever walk the earth to not keep record and hard evidence of his passing.

This would have been the biggest slam dunk in the history of counter intelligence. The U.S. would have been exposed to an irreparable state in much of the world's eye. Yet, they have nothing?

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Osama bin Laden was at least 6'4". Zbigniew Brzezinski was 5'11". There's no way that guy is bin Laden.

Also, why would Brzezinksi meet with bin Laden when there were reporters and photographers there?

http://www.911myths.com/index.php?title=Bin_Laden_and_Brzezinski

Interesting, I'll have to look into this more. Not sure if I trust that site, it seems a little snopes like with what they choose to debunk, like here:

http://www.911myths.com/index.php?title=Dancing_Israelis

Also, let's ignore the real conspiracy of our "allies" the Pakistani ISI keeping him in a mansion with his wives in their backyard.

Killing him instead of capturing him and letting him talk was also a conspiracy right in front of us. He might have said something that would be bad for the CIA and our supposed allies.

And why do we never hear interviews with the wives or people they interacted with? Same with Saddam’s family. Wouldnt the world’s media want to talk with these people?

So you gotta assume the lack of documentation was intentional. As you say it would be stupid for al qaeda not to call the US bluff; unless it was a us operation the whole time. And thus it wpuld make sense there is no documentation to trace back.

I suppose Al Qaeda had a larger interest in maintaining the illusion that bin Laden was still alive. Once the US claimed to have killed him in 2011, AQ doesn't really gain anything by saying "Nuh Uh! He died in 2003!" Not when they've likely relied on his image and the illusion of his leadership for control and recruitment.

Amazing work! I was skeptical when I saw the title but I am on board with this for sure.

Anyone who has ever done even basic research into 9/11 knows this.

Great post though OP

Yes. I appreciate the OP compiling the most comprehensive list ive ever seen. I used to print out the Fox News article and a few others and hand them to people. Most thought it was literally fake articles

I used to print out the Fox News article and a few others and hand them to people.

Random people, or friends and family?

Anyone who has ever done even basic research into 9/11 knows this.

What are the other things about 9/11 which we should all know by now?

It appears that most of this sub still believe that 3,000 people died that day.

I try to encourage people to challenge this preconceived notion, but a lot of people are stubborn.

How many people really died?

I used to be so sure it was 3,000, I just never questioned it.

I knew about most of these but just wanted to say thanks for providing this type of content to the sub. Well done!

Patrice O'Neal talking about this is too fucking funny: https://youtu.be/smGlBX8mHgE

"They flushed Bin Laden down the toilet like he was cocaine in The Goodfellas."

always a favorite!

For people questioning "what did they have to gain from lying about his death?"

For starters, would they just never end the Bin Laden chapter? Imagine if it was just some unsolved mystery to most Americans. They hd to end that chapter to start the ISIS chapter.

I just want to say that none of this is "proof". This is an impressive list of articles of people saying "we haven't heard from him; we believe he's probably deceased; he was sick last time we heard" and a bunch of reports of groups minimizing their efforts in searching for Bin Laden.

While this is compelling, I would really be careful in calling it "proof".

For all of us old school researchers this is like saying water is wet, I personally have known this for almost 15 years, but it's good to help all the new people get up to speed.

Bin Laden was literally Emmanuel Goldstein from 1984.

Yeah, I remember all this happening live. It was pretty much assumed by most people that he had died.. aside from the countless rumors and many statements by high-ranking officials, there's the fact that the guy loved to put out videos of himself frequently, but after the reports of his death, he vanished from the face of the earth. No more videos were ever released, no more info about his movements and activity, not a trace of this very high profile person was ever seen again.

At least, not until that ridiculous show that Obama and the Seals put on for us. I felt like I was in the twilight zone.. really, no one else remembers that he's Very likely been dead for years now? Damned mass amnesia that settles in, so things can make sense to Average Joe.

The completely nonsensical "burial at sea," with the accompanying utter lack of proof, was the kicker for me. That and the fact that the supposed picture of him dead was a very blatant photoshop, they blended a photo of him alive with a photo of some other corpse. So easy to tell when you look at them side by side.

If it weren't for the blatant BS, I might have been able to convince myself, too, that I guess he didn't die in 2001. But they couldn't even do a thoroughly convincing job of it.

1984.

When was the most recent time you read that book?

A lot of people tell me they have read it, but I wonder if they really did read it.

For example, Orwell speaks explicitly about war on the telescreen being fake.

Fake boogeymen. Fake missiles. Fake everything. And the lemming masses ('proles') go along with it.

Yep

In the book Emmanuel Goldstein has been killed but he continues to put out messages at perfect times for government propaganda, sound familiar?

I think the most INTERESTING thing in all the things that were posted is as follows...in 1998 the DEA wanted to poison bin Laden but the CIA rejected said plan due to bans on assassinations. LMFAO!!!!!!

I'd say long post but well written. It's sort of regular knowledge for the 9/11 "experts" though. You might want to check on something that I think it's not in your post: Benazir Bhutto claimed to have participated to his funeral before being assassinated in 2007.

dont forget 2004 when Osama came back to life to produce the video that swung the election in Bush's favor

Excellent post — great use of resources and analytical skills.

Comprehensive and I agree 100%, it's pretty clear it's now the same dude from the later photos.. not even close

This is the kind of stuff I like to see here. Well written post OP

So can one of the Mods sticky this?

This is literally one of the best pieces done by a member of r/conspiracy.

OP, you deserve probs. You bring a lot more credibility to "possible" conspiracies.

Of course an argument can be made against these sources. But the effort it would take for someone to do so, without looking biased, is improbable.

Congrats on your sound logic. And thankyou for helping bring a new light to a very probable end to Osama Bin Laden.

Old news

On the morning of September 11, 2001, 19 men armed with boxcutters directed by a man on dialysis in a cave fortress halfway around the world using a satellite phone and a laptop directed the most sophisticated penetration of the most heavily-defended airspace in the world, overpowering the passengers and the military combat-trained pilots on 4 commercial aircraft before flying those planes wildly off course for over an hour without being molested by a single fighter interceptor.

These 19 hijackers, devout religious fundamentalists who liked to drink alcohol, snort cocaine, and live with pink-haired strippers, managed to knock down 3 buildings with 2 planes in New York, while in Washington a pilot who couldn’t handle a single engine Cessna was able to fly a 757 in an 8,000 foot descending 270 degree corskscrew turn to come exactly level with the ground, hitting the Pentagon in the budget analyst office where DoD staffers were working on the mystery of the 2.3 trillion dollars that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had announced “missing” from the Pentagon’s coffers in a press conference the day before, on September 10, 2001.

Luckily, the news anchors knew who did it within minutes, the pundits knew within hours, the Administration knew within the day, and the evidence literally fell into the FBI’s lap. But for some reason a bunch of crazy conspiracy theorists demanded an investigation into the greatest attack on American soil in history.

The investigation was delayed, underfunded, set up to fail, a conflict of interest and a cover up from start to finish. It was based on testimony extracted through torture, the records of which were destroyed. It failed to mention the existence of WTC7, Able Danger, Ptech, Sibel Edmonds, OBL and the CIA, and the drills of hijacked aircraft being flown into buildings that were being simulated at the precise same time that those events were actually happening. It was lied to by the Pentagon, the CIA, the Bush Administration and as for Bush and Cheney…well, no one knows what they told it because they testified in secret, off the record, not under oath and behind closed doors. It didn’t bother to look at who funded the attacks because that question is of “little practical significance“. Still, the 9/11 Commission did brilliantly, answering all of the questions the public had (except most of the victims’ family members’ questions) and pinned blame on all the people responsible (although no one so much as lost their job), determining the attacks were “a failure of imagination” because “I don’t think anyone could envision flying airplanes into buildings ” except the Pentagon and FEMA and NORAD and the NRO.

The DIA destroyed 2.5 TB of data on Able Danger, but that’s OK because it probably wasn’t important.

The SEC destroyed their records on the investigation into the insider trading before the attacks, but that’s OK because destroying the records of the largest investigation in SEC history is just part of routine record keeping.

NIST has classified the data that they used for their model of WTC7’s collapse, but that’s OK because knowing how they made their model of that collapse would “jeopardize public safety“.

The FBI has argued that all material related to their investigation of 9/11 should be kept secret from the public, but that’s OK because the FBI probably has nothing to hide.

Osama Bin Laden lived in a cave fortress in the hills of Afghanistan, but somehow got away. Then he was hiding out in Tora Bora but somehow got away. Then he lived in Abottabad for years, taunting the most comprehensive intelligence dragnet employing the most sophisticated technology in the history of the world for 10 years, releasing video after video with complete impunity (and getting younger and younger as he did so), before finally being found in a daring SEAL team raid which wasn’t recorded on video, in which he didn’t resist or use his wife as a human shield, and in which these crack special forces operatives panicked and killed this unarmed man, supposedly the best source of intelligence about those dastardly terrorists on the planet. Then they dumped his body in the ocean before telling anyone about it. Then a couple dozen of that team’s members died in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan.

This is the story of 9/11, brought to you by the media which told you the hard truths about JFK and incubator babies and mobile production facilities and the rescue of Jessica Lynch.

If you have any questions about this story…you are a batshit, paranoid, tinfoil, dog-abusing baby-hater and will be reviled by everyone. If you love your country and/or freedom, happiness, rainbows, rock and roll, puppy dogs, apple pie and your grandma, you will never ever express doubts about any part of this story to anyone. Ever.

This has been a public service announcement by: the Friends of the FBI, CIA, NSA, DIA, SEC, MSM, White House, NIST, and the 9/11 Commission. Because Ignorance is Strength.

Wow. Have all the upvotes. Here’s an honest question: as one average American, what do you do? It’s career/social suicide to speak publicly against 9/11 eve though I agree with everything you said. Maybe I’m a coward, but I’m not willing to sacrifice myself as a martyr to convince a few more people to wake up. But I firmly believe what you wrote and that evil men run this country in the shadows. So what is a man to do?

Facts back you up, like OP did here. Even skeptics were swayed upon entering. Gatekeepers will shut you down on Reddit but that's illusory. On a personal, micro, level people are much more receptive given proper intelligence and data.

It's not that wild an idea rich people work together to maintain wealth/power; and in being rich and having access to all life's pleasure become hedonistic and morally perverted.

You just gotta ease them into it. 9/11 is a good place to start if they don't have a knee-jerk emotional response (even if they do it's an injustice to the families to not find the truth)

Was James Corbett...

As much as I like your comment; you could have just posted the YouTube video instead if typing out the narrative.

TLDR: https://youtu.be/jLXyB5GtfBU

Text is better than video, for the most part.

Video qnd even audio can be mind entraining in the highly negative sense. Passive versus active

Second this. Thanks for the text. I watched a video two days ago at work about something, immediately started bitching to my co-workers about how it was text overlaid on pointless pictures and with music in the background. Give me a fucking article I can read at my speed, not your stupid video with two sentences a minute!

I am personal family friends with a few of the Seal Teams involved in this, including ST 6 (I even been on the Seal Base which was pretty awesome as a civilian). These men are no jokes, but I also know they have secrets they'll keep with them to their deaths. They'll follow orders, whatever they may be, and then go home to their friends and families. I've never questioned anything in front of around them, I would never, but the burdens they must have...

If they follow unlawful orders just for the sake of following orders, I don’t want them to be Seals.

This whole comment is hilarious by the way.

Best TLDR ever.

u/xenocide967

I fuckin told u guys

thank you for this

So was there really an actual raid and did they just kill some innocent people?

Excellent work.

The thing that gets me is that Trump really dislikes Obama. And now since he is president he should have access to Intel we don't have so I'm about a billion percent sure if this happened and he'd find something about it he'd use it against Obama and Democrats. Even if there was no evidence. But he hasn't. His biggest conspiracy against him is the birth certificate thing.

I already knew Obongo did the "We got him" bit not only for posterity, for for his assured and guaranteed 4 more years of office. I already knew. Also explains that the SEAL team in the assasination, were mostly and conveniently killed in a chopper accident. No leaked footage, no vids nor pics. And that so called side pic of Bin Laden watching TV.....was that of a much shorter actor that looked like him, for those that noticed that he was covered in a blanket to cover that fact.

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Also explains that the SEAL team in the assasination, were mostly and conveniently killed in a chopper accident.

I thought that was bullshit in the end though.

A convenient way to shut people up ala Clinton or Kennedy method. What better way to keep the real secret a secret, with the less people knowing about what really happened

Did the SEALs involved suffer losses in that crash or not?

To the fucking top. Amazing work.

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Obama needed to get reelected in 2012 and it was not looking good for him...

iirc, his approval ratings before the OBL killing were below 50% and then jumped way up after...the OBL killing basically won him his reelection. Honestly, anyone who didn't see through that bs story was poppin ambien or something. They supposedly buried him at sea in accordance to "Islamic traditions"...ffs. It was just another example of the government feeding the public a story and offering 0 hard evidence to back it up.

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Then programming in tv show Homeland. Abu Nazir funeral in the sea just like OBL ;)

Yeah. TPTB use TV shows and movies...entertainment media in general, to perpetuate their lies so they seem more reasonable to the general public.

Anyone have links to the “brown bearded” Bin Laden videos?

Except in in 2004, a bin Laden videotape. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/oct/30/september11.uselections2004

Look-alike.

Sanjay Gupta could be a look alike. Bin Laden's wife interview in which she used past tense could be a look alike.

Wikileaks released an email from the US state department that said his body wasn't dumped in the sea..They flew it back to Washington to examine it..So I think he did actually die in Pakistan..

Link?

You might also want to research Benazir Bhutto, the president of Pakistan, saying she knew OBL was dead in 2001. Her Intelligence service knew all about it, sadly she was assassinated shortly thereafter...

I remember seeing a death certificate from an Indian or Pakistan hospital and a news story. Somebody know anything about that?

Add in Benazir Bhutto saying he died in 2001. She and her family were the leaders of Pakistan. I also reconvene you read her book reconciliation.

How hard was it to find an almost 7 foot tall guy? That gets weekly dialysis treatments that require specialty fluids made by only a few dozen companies in the world? Not very.

alternate explanation: reports of his death were wrong in 2001, bush admin wanted to distract attention from afghanistan to focus on iraq and saddam. we find and kill him in 2011.

Didnt Benazir Bhutto say he died in 2001?

Seems to me, the entire reason to gloss over his death, is that they would have had to explain how a man on his deathbed orchestrated 9/11. A mysteriously unattainable Bin Laden was an easier explanation than a man who has been dying since 2000.

https://youtu.be/4MBTd5QNGB0

Bin Laden was a big name around that time, therefore being the best scapegoat to pin as the "mastermind" behind the 9/11 false flag.

It is important to note that Bin Laden was never indited, and proof of his "death" in 2011 was some dude sitting in a house in Afghanistan watching the news. No tangible proof was ever given.

There was also very suspicious circumstances surrounding the death of members of Seal Team 6.

There are many more "plotholes" if you will, such as completely botched translations and Osama magically appearing younger and younger as the years progressed. Corbett did an episode on this; I'll see if I can find it.

I doubt it. Trumps scare rhetoric was used to get him elected. The idea is, now that he’s in office things are more safe not less. His new slogan for 2020 is keep America great. Rolling out the threat levels undermines that message.

A convenient way to shut people up ala Clinton or Kennedy method. What better way to keep the real secret a secret, with the less people knowing about what really happened

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I think that scenario is very likely. The raid and 'death' of bin Laden was an attempt to take some of the wind out of the sails of Al Qaeda. With bin Laden dead, AQ could no longer claim he was in charge and no longer use his escape as proof of their success.

Sources? I tried to find stuff to back up the helicopters but all I found so far was that none of the seal team 6 members that died were part of red squadron, which was on the ground in the raid.

Only thing countering this is a statement from a lawyer representing 3 families from extortion 17, saying that there were 3(?) men part of the raid.

Any info about these other crashes or suspicious deaths?

don't forget gas prices beautifully following the approval rating, courtesy of bandar bush & co