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I've seen three or four threads deleted there about this. Something is going on.

The_Donald lets virtually anything go there in terms of conspiracies and allegations. Them banning posts/users about an active, real news story that interests its subscribers is strange.

The admins have threatened very openly that T_D gets zero tolerance on linking outside the sub. If there's even the slightest inkling of info in those articles that could be interpreted as doxing or any reason the mods will 86 it and move on.

I agree with you that the substance has turned into a bit of mush over the last few months though.

Compared to the weaponized autism of the election, T_D is dead.

Nah. As with any sub, you just have to know how to sift through bull shit.

https://www.ceddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/8c47rg/i_support_what_trump_just_did_ww3_isnt_starting/dxcjpl6/?context=3

It really got taken over by corrupt mods. This is what told me. Look at all those anti-Israel comments deleted.

t_d is dead and buried. it's compromised and taken over by shills and boomers

t_d reddit is dead and buried. it's compromised and taken over by shills and boomers

It is true, the whole links that I've seen look like there is some "doxxing" going on.

The_Donald lets virtually anything go there in terms of conspiracies and allegations. Them banning posts/users about an active, real news story that interests its subscribers is strange.

Bullshit. The_Donald is a gate-keeping community for the Trump admin. They censor virtually any valid theory that questions the status quo and/or paints neoconservatives in a bad light.

I'm talking about right-wing conspiracies, not general discussions. .

Pretend for a moment that that subreddit is an operative in the broader conspiracy of the story. They are removing it to make "the_donald is removing all mention of it" part of this story. Nobody really cares about this supposed child trafficking site except the people talking about here in this post and on the chans, because none of this story can be believed yet, and it screams phoney baloney exaggeration.

This type of created outrage is common now, it is manufactured and quickly spread, and just as quickly instantly forgotten even by those claiming to be outraged.

Neoconservatives are leftists, who occasionally vote against Pelosi and Schumer- it's not a term used to denote persons that adore Reagan.

I am about as far right as they come, and I will 100% agree with you. The_donald is exactly that, a gate keeping community for low IQ squeaky toys and Neo-cons that wanna play pretend that they are the edgy outsiders when in fact they are cut of the same cloth as every other "Conservative" leadership in the primaries, meaning they are just center leftists wearing a american flag lapel.

I'm trying to be helpful, I'm canceling my plans to join in.

https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/1618616.html#1626966

I have been researching AZ for over a year, and this is the type of breakthrough I have been hoping for.

https://steemit.com/conspiracy/@mindhawk/arizona-child-protective-services-appears-completely-corrupt

yeah, the 7k upvoted anti-mormon top thread on r/conspiracy

THIS should be top thread, obviously, fucking obviously.

https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/1618616.html#1626966

I've never seen a drop like this one, it connects everything. Wow.

http://m.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/38346339/police-no-indication-of-humantrafficking-at-abandoned-tucson-camp

One of the top threads is about it, that’s how I discovered it

If this is a Clinton frame job, as many commenters are saying, I’m confused as to why threads about it would be removed

Look at the posts here. There are people who are discounting the small entry hole (with an outside lock on it) that only a child could fit through, that leads to the small underground area with childrens toys. They are not replying regarding the small hand binders low on the tree. And their critical posts (skipping over important details) are being upvoted at a crazy rate.

If these threads get deleted from here - you know something is seriously wrong.

No they want this thread here on this sub. From here they can mass downvote all vital information whilst upvoting dismissive circular arguments. They can even attack any credible users and discredit them. They want threads here and on 4chan so when they do report it they can say "basement vigilantes with an obsession for child abuse throw yet more false pizzagate accusations". Just look at this thread and the dismissive comments fighting over tiny details that are insignificant to the actual point.

Best comment on thread

Can confirm a cover up on /r/The_Cancer. I posted a reply in one thread and received a three-day ban.

how is that a cover up?

Anyone who posts about it gets banned and the thread gets deleted. Textbook cover-up.

Cover up of what exactly? They haven't provided any evidence.

Do your own research. https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/1618616.html

8chan isn't research, it is a place for propaganda. They have nothing and now are trying to gather enough "clues" to try to push a narrative.

8chan, like 4chan or Reddit, is a platform. It is not a source, but a place where sources can share information. The responsibility to filter legitimate information from made-up bullshit falls on you, and requires you to do your own research.

actually, the burden of proof falls on those making the extraordinary claims.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Rothschild

I got banned from The_Donald because of mods actively censoring this thread.

This is not a conspiracy anymore, they ahve video of where the children are held captive.

I was just going to message you and see if they nailed you as well.

T_D mods are filthy communists.

You must not know what communism means lol. Sure they’re a lot of things... that’s not one of them.

Commies have infiltrated everything. And I know exactly what communism is, thanks.

Ahhhh I see what you mean now. My bad

How sad you’re able to see that there’s nothing communist about the intelligence community. They are quite pro-capitalism, as it’s lining their pockets and hiding their crimes.

They have infiltrated everything. Not “commies.”

Of course he knows that the alt right are far left. /s

The Donald isn't alt right, its a bunch of neo-con squeaky toys that think they are the cool kids club.

Now T_D is communist? Do you people ever make sense?

The guy in the video link in the locked post mentions children. Did they really find children in there or just evidence that there were children there?

Evidence. Lots and lots of really disturbing evidence.

Ever been in a homeless camp that has kids with parents? LOTS of those in Hawaii, looks just like this. Seriously? Straps on tries 😂 are for kids. Homeless do some crapy construction. Let see the kids and people they got to safety. Ive seen the videos and looks like ANY OTHER homeless camp. Prob boarder jumpers rest stop.

They have been threatened to leave twice by people coming from the local reservation that is heavily tied into cartels and drug trafficking. Any place there is that there is also human trafficking. Straps on trees are a real thing they use. They call them "rape trees". https://poe.house.gov/floor-remarks?ID=9B2D1340-A79B-4A41-B18D-E64986C90EBB

It looks like they found a cartel trafficking spot.

Wow so you mean someone threatened these people who were trespassing on private property? Strange indeed.

As I've said multiple times they've contacted the owners of the site and they don't appear to have anything to do with the guy who threatened them, at least one of which was a guy on horseback who came off of the nearby reservation. This looks exactly like many of the other camps they routinely find along the border that coyotes use to traffic people and drugs, and the women and kids who come across are routinely sexually abused. They are extremely commonplace. Don't act like this is some outlandish conspiracy that they stumbled across one of them. The suspicious part is how the local sheriff and police, who, living alongside this stuff should be familiar with it's frequency, is trying to write it off like it's nothing when these things are a notorious problem with coyotes, cartels and our southern border.

https://media.8ch.net/file_store/328ed2d8404a521cadcbffcd9fa0ac351af28c0dd8a1715657a17859e4884cda.png

McCann?

little context before i click a random 8chan link?

What does your random 8chan link prove exactly?

Nuthin

Didn't think so.. thanks for admitting it.

By itself...

CEMEX ties in to everything, bronfman, clintons, mexican government

the schools in the area, the churches in the area, have pedo symbols and connections to hollywood, including David Geffen.

this spirals out into everything, read for yourself, stop asking for people to spoon feed you.

Against my better judgment I clicked on the link, yeah that doesn't mean anything.

Sure

Nah, he is saying he got out his own kids out of there. See @4:55 "thank God for getting our kids out of here."

The level of victimism reminds me of liberals

There is no playing victim. People need to know that this is being censored for no good reason when plenty of shit "against the rules" gets literally stickied by the mods.

I'm talking about the mods attitude. They are playing victim and calling this a "conspiracy theory" when I'm used to liberals behaving exactly like that.

Oh yeah, they are so fucked up over there. Front page posts about Kanyes album sales, but bring up human trafficking and they turn into the UK police force.

They called me a kid and told me to get fucked. I'm a 40 year old mom who has been on TD for years, they are so compromised.

Yup. I hope Trump knows how fucked he is next election if someone doesnt get a handle on the sub. I would tweet him, but fuck twitter.

Haha... he's already fucked no matter what for his collusion and obstruction.

It has always been like that, you guys have just been lucky to not go against the narrative until now.

What did you like about td? From the content and the way they communicate I assumed only children and teenagers would be interested in that sub.

They are a lot more fun and on the whole less vitriolic than the left has been for the past few years. There used to be great sources of information there that put me days ahead of the news cycle. It's changed a lot, but the majority of people there are good people, and not hateful. It's one thing to be a dick, it's another to be an asshole. TD has more dicks and less assholes.

Cemex company, who is doing the tunnels and haboring trafficked children, CEO died "suddenly" and "unexpectedly" in 2014.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-cemex/cemex-leadership-unclear-after-sudden-death-of-ceo-idUSBREA4C0S720140513

PCI and CEMEX Partner at the Clinton Global Initiative (CGI) Annual Meeting to Transform Urban Slums around the World also in 2014

You're skeptical that someone died 3 years ago?

The jpgs and pngs are not persuasive as they are because tens of millions of people have the ability to forge them. We need to the source material.

But they don't have any.. that is why they are posting about it on 4chan and 8chan.

The only place actually looking into this is /r/greatawakening.

Explains why they have no real evidence.

It isn't a r/greatawakening deal. The vet group broke the story on FB and GA allowed it to be hosted. They have done some digging that has come up with a lot of stuff that I'm sure makes you uncomfortable.

What stuff? From the news article:

http://www.kvoa.com/story/38330840/homeless-camp-or-child-trafficking-den

News 4 Tucson toured the site with Veterans on Patrol and noticed structures in the camp were tied together using similar straps that they described as restraints.

The area used where they claim the children may have been kept could also have been used as shelter to get out of the heat or place to sleep.

They are over @ voat too.

Voat is WAY more active then people think

The donald can't post shit like this.
The special rules that only apply to them kick in and it's 'doxxing'.

The special rules that only apply to them

Worth pointing out. It’s crazy that Reddit isn’t required to put a disclaimer about that or something. I may not agree with everything they stand for over there, but I can recognize unfair treatment when I see it, and the way that community has been treated is just downright wrong.

Private companies can do whatever they want, sure. But they should be required to disclose practices like selective censorship.

Yeah reddit has bent sideways and tried to redefine gravity lately.

But it makes it extra funny all the people that bitch about the donald sub.
You have to go there to see it! :P

Doxxing is a sitewide bannable offense, and that's a sub that encouraged it. If spez wasn't such a fan the sub would have gotten a proper ban instead of this childish policing.

Is spez really a fan of it? Is spez a trump supporter? Legit question, not trying to start or accuse anything

Doxxing is a sitewide bannable offense,

that is exercised unfairly across reddit

and that's a sub that encouraged it.

this is a lie

If spez wasn't such a fan the sub would have gotten a proper ban instead of this childish policing.

this is also a lie. you keep the sub because removing it would be a huge red flag to the average Reddit user (most dont care about politics and removing the only pro trump sub would get those users curious)

T_D has been on a tight rope ever since the new Reddit guidelines. MSM hasn't picked up in the news yet, most local accounts are about a homeless camo being dismantled

http://www.kvoa.com/story/38330840/homeless-camp-or-child-trafficking-den

There were posts about this subject removed that were local msm pieces and one by, I think the gateway pundit. All normally fine to post for other stories.

8chan has been performing additional research. Snapshots of video included.

https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/1618616.html

Looks like they found people there

https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=93NDHXUW8Y48

Jesus Christ, this is going to turn into the sequel to Waco.

What are the Facebook links to follow them. I didn’t realize it was this our of control.

Here's their Facebook page https://m.facebook.com/VOP-Alpha-Co-Team-Pulaski-1415347948612114/

It appears I can't find their channel on Youtube. Let me see if I can find it again but that's the one where you hear everything straight from the guys on scene about things they've found.

I feel physically ill, I can't believe this is actually happening. It feels like a very bad dream.

This is life on planet Earth. There is some very, very sick shit happening on this planet and some extremely powerful and influential people responsible for it. There are some people fighting against it. More and more people need to come together and keep fighting against it.

My gut reaction is that guy is an actor.

He is a ex Navy SEAL, look it up, Craig Sawyer.

You just made my point. While I admit it's certainly possible, I don't see anything convincing in any of the articles about this. Straps on trees? That's it? A homeless camp is going to provide so many pieces of "evidence" that you could make it sound like anything happened there. Instead of jumping in, making a mess, seizing "evidence" and blabbing about it on the internet,, I would talk to authorities quietly to arrange an investigation. OR, if you didn't trust the authorities, hire a Private Investigator. Make some progress on finding stronger evidence. This reeks of loose cannon misdirection. The only mystery is whether or not it's intentional.

You just made my point.

You need to live ina very warped up world where being a ex Navy Seal means you are a paid actor or somehting like that.

He's not even Craig Sawyer, it's weird the person you replied to claimed it. All you have to do to see this is go to his Youtube-channel (just write Craig Sawyer on Youtube). Totally different guy. I don't know who the guy in that linked video is but he's younger, skinnier, has different facial hair and facial features (Sawyer has dark brown hair and is greying, this guy is ginger), higher voice, etc. Sawyer also seems to be a pretty calm guy and just uploaded a video update, and speaks in a very calm and concise manner.

This isn't even one of those cases where it's ambigious and people just try to "defend" someone, this is legit not him and I doubt he's even supposed to be and the person just made a mistake in thinking it's him. I didn't see any indication the guy in that video was meant to be Sawyer.

What I don't understand is why they didn't just have guys sit quietly and observe the site, wait for the people who use the camp to show up and confront them with your crew. Catch them in the act. They supposedly found this currently used site and just ran in and fucked up an opportunity to catch the perpetrators red handed?

That's NOT him, lmao. He has a Youtube-channel where he uploaded all of the stuff they found and provides updates. He's a calm beefy guy with darker hair, this guy looks skinny in comparison, has a higher voice and different facial hair and color (gingerish).

I mean, he doesn't look even close to him and this is not some weird "defense", it's literally a different person. Like actually actually. I don't know who that is but you can see he's not him if you go to his channel (write his name on Youtube search).

Different facial structure, different voice, different beard and different hair color etc.

My gut reaction was something similar, but I happened to watch the group's Youtube videos where they showed all the horrific stuff and were super calm, making me think the guy is either not the same person at all (facial hair and features seem a bit different) or he snapped from all the horrific shit he saw at night in those earlier Youtube videos with the child-sized jail beds next to BDSM gear and children's coloring books and toys.

Something's off with that video, he's different from the other videos.

Looks like they found people there

No, he is saying that he evaced his own children, not kidnapped children. @4:55 "Thank God for getting our kids out of here."

They're bringing their own kids?

I mean, I don't disbelieve it.

But that's pretty bold.

If you ask me, it is irresponsible. If he takes them to places where they are tresspassing, that is.

This dude seems a little fucking crazy. He's posted up in a tower with a rifle and says he will kill firefighters if they come up with a ladder to get them down.

This story is insane.

Been following it all day after I saw The Sawman post about it, he's friends with men I served with and I would trust what he says is the truth, if nothing else the man is a Patriot, and A Navy SEAL.

There is something going on, there are way too many things connecting here than it being coincidence.

And why is it that police can mobilise a SWAT team to shoot a pot dealer 30 times, but can't send a cadaver dog out there and a forensics team?

Too many powerful ppl are implicated.

You live in AZ?

I would move as far from the southern border as possible. Seriously.

Shut is getting scary.

It really isn't though I just wouldn't wander in the desert around the border

me and my fiance actually just moved from south texas up north.. there's more than 1 reason to get the fuck out of there now.

I can't believe that the country got like this with the border. The crime and cartels are doing whatever they want down there, and paying off anyone they can.

People may say it is just fear mongering, but it looks to me like crime is out of control near the border.

yea, and ontop of the insane crime, the increased irregular weather patterns coming in from the gulf of mexico makes it an extremely unstable place to live and plan a future. It's sad really because there's a lot of beautiful places down south but it's just going to get worse and worse over the next decade.

The cartels are contractors for evil players INSIDE the United States. The property where the children were being raped and tortured is owned by a company tied to the Clinton Global Initiative.

It's all related to stuff like Dyncorp, which Representative Cynthia McKinney bravely called out for child trafficking in Congress (before they ran her out of office).

These mega-corporations are involved in this stuff. Child trafficking generates more money than the narcotics industry.

As the real economy implodes, we're seeing institutions fall back on drugs and human trafficking to make ends meet.

Which is why it's so interesting to see who calls out any of the actual problems we're seeing, and why I'll support Bernie Sanders until the end - he seems to be one of the only ones free to call out Israeli aggression and the banking industries. Trump is an insider.

Lol if the global real economy is a sham based on narco and trafficking how would we be safer going with someone who wants to redistribute their blood money wealth rather than secure our borders and make us more independent as a nation?

Not to mention someone who openly supported one of the figureheads pioneering the trafficking circuit through a global cartel “initiative” ...

Some fucking people, dude

Well, Trump is from a different faction.

(It's why the CIA-controlled media is going batshit insane after he got into the Presidency.)

It wasn't supposed to happen.

Realize: There is a difference between The Shadow Government and the Deep State.

People use them as synonyms, but they're not.

The two factions are currently at war.

Trump was most likely recruited by the generals, who are staging a counter-coup against the Shadow Government.

If you'll allow for a gross oversimplification, it's the CIA versus the Military Industrial-Complex.

Hillary represented the CIA. (Her husband Bill got entangled with it during the days of Iran-Contra when George Bush, Sr. was running cocaine up from Central America using MS-13. One of the hubs for the operation was Mean, Arkansas, when Bill Clinton was then-governor. After he stumbled upon the covert op, he was enlisted to join up and promised the presidency if he played ball. Watch a reporter question Clinton about it back in the 1990s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDMktUYvC7k

Long story short, the Clintons and Bushes are tied into the CIA drug-running operation . . . with the Bushes being in it almost as early as the Delanos and Forbes' (through Prescott Bush).

Prescott Bush was one of the earliest architects of the CIA, and his son (George, Sr.) would later be made head of the CIA in the 1970s.

But George had been running operations for them since the 1950s.

Okay, that's "The Shadow Government".

The Deep State, by contrast, was started by a man named Vannevar Bush in the 1930s. He was the head of MIT, and the first man to make the case that the U.S. should maintain a war-time footing even in times of peace, and that they should fund science to help the military. Vannevar Bush [no relation to George Bush, by the way] was the founder of military contractor Raytheon.

When Nikola Tesla died, the government sent in Vannevar Bush's protege from MIT . . . a man by the name of John Trump.

John Trump is the uncle of Donald Trump.

John Trump was there, at the ground floor, of the creation of what we today know as the "Military Industrial Complex".

(To read more about Vannevar Bush and Trump, check out "Endless Frontier," by G. Pascal Zachary.)

Journalist Daniel Liszt recently did a series of presentations on Trump and his connection to Vannevar Bush and the Deep State. See here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpzmNSaF47Y&t=6258s

In summation, what we're watching now is a civil war between the CIA [which is losing power] and the Military Industrial Complex [which is engaging in a putsch to recover control of the U.S. government from the CIA].

Trump is NOT on the Clintons' and Bushes' side. Their mortal enemies. Which is why, in the last election, Bush, Sr. voted for Hillary. Barbara Bush, by the way, said that Bill was so close to the Bush family that she considered him one of her sons. These dynasties are tight.

And Trump pissed them both off.

He's playing a very dangerous game.

I want to believe. It makes sense but I'm still skeptical.

Hillary is Bush's daughter. So Bill is son in law.

This explains virtually everything the media has done since the election, and why people keep saying the “trump curse” keeps hitting people like AG schneiderman, Kevin spacey, Harvey Weinstein, etc.

I could definitely believe this.

Lol Trump is just a Zionist puppet and no amount of George Bush's "repeat it and they'll eventually believe it" will change that. People are wiser now.

not sure i buy it, but this is a fascinating theory that fits a lot of pieces together

would seem the election of Obama (another suprise) would have created a lot of problems too though

Yeah, Obama is a weird case.

He was allowed to cut in line of Hillary, and it was deeply upsetting to the Clintons.

So who knows what connections Obama had that outranked even a former President. We know that Obama was seen as the puppet of Trilateral Commission-creator Zbigniew Brzezinski. So maybe Brzezinski's connections were stronger than even Clinton's.

There's also the mass of circumstantial evidence that Obama was groomed by the CIA from his infancy. His mom used to work for World Vision, which is a famous CIA front. (Interestingly, John Lennon's assassin also worked at World Vision. As well as Reagan's shooter, John Hinkley, Jr. George Bush, Sr., by the way, was friends with Hinkley, Sr., who ran World Vision. On the night Reagan was shot Neil Bush was having dinner with the Hinkley's: http://impiousdigest.com/the-bush-familys-greatest-hits-what-rockefeller-means-by-discretion/)

At any rate, yes: A lot of weird stuff was being run out of World Vision. And Obama's mom was affiliated with them, jet setting around the world as an 18 year-old, with no job and no visible means of support. Yet she had all this money.

She looks to all hell like a CIA asset. Even after she "died," her social security number failed to show up on the national death registry.

So the woman's probably still alive somewhere.

If it's true that Obama's grandparents and mother were "in the club," then it might explain all the doors that were opened up to Obama on his ascendancy to the Presidency.

Bill had early contacts with the CIA back to at least his Oxford days.

It's true.

Bill was a Rhodes Scholar. That scholarship program was set up to groom people to be advocates for British tycoon Cecil Rhodes' plan to reconstitute the British Empire. Rhodes masked his plan by calling it "Globalism".

In reality, it was hegemony from the British Banking system over the rest of the world.

Rhodes set up "round table groups" in all the Commonwealth countries to promote "globalism" and to erode national sovereignty. These groups were also designed to groom media figures, future politicians, academics, etc. These round table groups were set up in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, etc. In the United States, the round tassel group is called "The Council on Foreign Relations".

You can read a brilliant book on this stuff by historian Carroll Quigley (in his book "The Tragedy and the Hope"). Quigley was Bill Clinton's professor at Georgetown, and Clinton cited him as his mentor.

Quigley was given unprecedented access to the minutes from the meetings of the Rockefeller Foundation. After plunging into the archives, he wrote a sort of "true history of the 20th Century".

Basically, everything that's unfolding now was started by Cecil Rhodes back in the 1880s.

Clinton (like all Rhodes scholars) was flown to Oxford to receive his brainwashing. MSNBC's Rachel Maddow is also a Rhodes scholar. As is Democratic Senator Corey Booker. Also the RNC's Bobby Jindal, etc.

Someone made a video of how the Council on Foreign Relations hijacked our media. What we today call "The Mainstream Media" is nothing of the sort: It's Council on Foreign Relations media.

See here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FPAQlbmlSc&t=29s

• Footnote: Check out how many of our media members are CFR members, as well: https://www.cfr.org/membership/membership-roster-a-f NBC's Tom Brokaw is on there, Fox News' Charles Krauthammer, CNN's Farid Zakharia, etc.

That's not how Rhodes scholarships work. It's more of a philanthropic endeavor for Cecil to wash his hands. Rhodes Scholarships have no strings attached, the fund you for a year.

Go read "The Tragedy and the Hope".

Your quote seems to be talking more about an early think tank, rather than Rhodes Scholars which is a much more massive undertaking.

I'd compare Rhodes Scholars to Nobel Prize Winners. Sure, there's some potential political power to giving them out, but a lot of it is about bettering the name of the donor. Philanthropy always has an ulterior motive, but it's 90% washing the hands.

It's all connected.

Ron Paul, Jill Stein

Wait what? Why would all of this make you support Bernie?

You realize he capitulated and supported Hillary Clinton, who received funds via CGI from this cement company that was just ousted as a trafficking site?

You realize that trump is trying to close down the border, and literally everyone in the overarching power structure is virulently opposing him doing so, presumably because of trafficking routes?

Dude...

The Delano family goes all the way back to the Pilgrims. Philippe de Lannoy (anglicized to Delano) arrived on the Fortune ship (the second ship after the Mayflower in Plymouth). His uncle was Francis Cook, one of the singers of the Mayflower Compact. Delano was heavily involved with politics and land sales.

What are your thought about warren buffet Having drug contracts with the cartel ? Complete bs?

Haven't heard of that before.

Interesting.

Got any more info on it?

https://www.disclose.tv/i-was-in-the-illuminati-now-im-am-telling-all-obama-space-flights-jfk-assassination-308196

I believe it was this post that had it in it , but i couldn’t find any more relevant info so take it with a grain of salt .

Most businesses these days are built with drug money, then they get out of the drug business if their business picks up

I'm more worried about government checkpoints inside the US border than I am of the cartels. Crime isn't bad, at least in Texas. I just think it's BS that anything within 200 miles of a border is a constitutional-free zone. More of America should be up in arms over that.

People may say it is just fear mongering, but it looks to me like crime is out of control near the border.

This situation has been engineered. I've been watching it brew for the last 18 years.

The two preceding administrations intentionally weakened our border security.

The Bush administration regularly pulled some hokey shit in cooperation with the EPA, leaving gaping holes for unseen border crosses to happen while using endangered species as the reason agents can't patrol certain areas.

http://archive.is/chyin

The Obama administration cut funding, initiated "catch and release" (release... on our side of the border), and ordered agents not to patrol certain stretches of border as well.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/10/21/border-patrol-agent-obama-admins-catch-and-release-causing-influx-of-illegals/

What are the other reasons to get out of south Texas?

I saw this on T_D. It’s all over that sub. Why you lying?

I just saw this on T_D like an hour ago.

Personally I can tell you he’s amazin as is the men working behind the scenes.

Can you point me to somewhere that all this evidence is summed up? I feel like there's not a lot there for someone who hasn't followed this story closely, and I don't see any real evidence in the links.

VOP Alpha company on FB has a live stream going on site.

Do you have a link?

Not allowed to link FB to this sub, I believe.

Fair enough, thanks. I find FB to have such a difficult search function.

Yeah it does.

For due reason

Video

wow

Fuck. Got as far as the rape trees, couldn't keep watching. I am numb with rage.

It's a good thing these (fucking awesome) dudes found them instead of someone like me. They're being all professional, whereas I'm pretty sure I would have just set up a little nest and just starting taking out anyone who showed up.

What the fuck is wrong with people.

Yeah, that part got me too. It’s hard to wrap my head around the fact this happens a hell of a lot more than we know. It’s heartbreaking to think of all of these children’s lives destroyed and taken because of these sick, twisted people.

Hi, I was looking for this as well. Here's the best evidence I could find. It actually has some pictures of the camps. I'm not sure what I make of it all, but it's something at least:

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8odjwm/tucson_thing_is_there_any_evidence/

I have been researching Arizona for over a year, something has obviously been fishy with their child protective services, I document as much as I can on steemit:

https://steemit.com/conspiracy/@mindhawk/arizona-child-protective-services-appears-completely-corrupt

This is the chan thread that is blowing my mind, save and document all docs here: https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/1618616.html#1626966

CEMEX, wow, that connects to everything. And then there is the boylover symbol in more than a few local businesses. Plus the clinton global iniative, the mexican president and the rothchilds, all tied to NVIXM also.

Wow, I never thought something like this would come out but it is the breakthrough I for one have been hoping for.

Way to go VOP, but BE WARNED TRUMP IS NOT THE GOOD GUY HERE, HE IS PART OF IT, MAR A LAGO IS A TRAFFICKING SITE.

BE WARNED TRUMP IS NOT THE GOOD GUY HERE, HE IS PART OF IT, MAR A LAGO IS A TRAFFICKING SITE.

Interesting, I have yet to hear Trump's name come up in regard to this story. Do you have a source where I can read more about Mar a lago being a trafficking site?

Prove that mar a lago is a trafficking site

It would mean that shutting down the border is itself a ruse that won’t actually stop trafficking, and I don’t see why there would be so much money being spent opposing it with media initiatives

no, think of it like warring houses, the clinton global initiative and podesta group on one side, the trump's organization with ties to israel and russia were on the other side.

Israel played both sides but preferred trump. Israel and Russia are both unified in the desire to see the US balkanized and removed from the UN sec council.

Both Trump and Bill Clinton have partied on epstein's lolita express, and Epstein is known to have recruited underage girls out of mar a lago:

Roberts was working for $9 an hour as a changing room assistant at Trump’s Mar-A-Lago beach club, where her father was a maintenance manager, when she claims she was recruited to work as a masseuse for Epstein. She claims the invitation came courtesy of Maxwell. It was 1998, and Roberts was 15 years old.

NXIVM connects bronfman to alefantis and CEMEX is bronfman, so at a certain level they are all working together to make sure a steady supply of children disappears.

Happy to help you with your ignorance problem, welcome to the knowledge club!

The warring houses aren’t CGI/podesta vs trump/Israel/Russia...it’s Clinton/CIA vs trump/military-industrial complex.

Both Trump and Bill Clinton have partied on epstein's lolita express, and Epstein is known to have recruited underage girls out of mar a lago:

Im specifically asking you for links that explain the last half, not “Known to have recruited.” Nothing is ever just “known to be.”

Connecting trump to lolita express is easy because we straight up have flight logs.

I wouldnt at all be surprised by Epstein recruiting Mar a Lago girls, but i want proof, not hearsay. Also, absolutely no reason to be making personal insults or claims of “Ignorance problems” unless you want me pointing out your superiority complex

Roberts was working for $9 an hour as a changing room assistant at Trump’s Mar-A-Lago beach club, where her father was a maintenance manager, when she claims she was recruited to work as a masseuse for Epstein. She claims the invitation came courtesy of Maxwell. It was 1998, and Roberts was 15 years old.

This reads like it was pasted from a news article, do you have it? Otherwise, use full names when youre referring to POI, not “Roberts” so i dont have to comb your previous replies

I just want you sending me links I can read myself, i dont really care for pure interpretation or hearsay

sorry i forgot to copy link in: https://archive.fo/cMlLC

i really don't have logicial discussion with anyone who won't admit that trump is owned by russia and israel, and that he himself is a sick piece of shit who does not care about the usa at all, whatsoever.

He is looting the country, and he is not mentally or morally fit to coach a softball team, much less lead a nation, much less lead the usa.

I won't have a logical discussion with anyone who doesn't agree with my opinions.

Okay then.

i really don't have logicial discussion with anyone who won't admit that trump is owned by russia and israel, and that he himself is a sick piece of shit who does not care about the usa at all, whatsoever.

See you trump supporters can't even quote a single sentence in a thread without some duplicitious half-brained crap.

Really, GTFO, I mean it literally. My statement is basically, 'i don't have logical discussions with people who don't respond to logical arguments' or 'i dont try to prove things to people who don't know what proof is.'

or even 'i don't waste time on people who intentionally misquote me', they are all usually the same people of course.

enjoy the block, stop wasting my time

Why do anti-Trumpers consider themselves intelligent, but consider everyone else stupid?

Here's a little tip... If you think everyone around you is an idiot... You're likely the problem.

Lol, you think the border theater will stop anything? If you have the right connections, you can get the proper paperwork to cross normally.

Why would NYT write an entire article about the poor life of a failing coyote whose work in “human smuggling” (read: not trafficking) is on the fritz because of trump policies, if it didn’t actually do anything?

To create the appearance of doing something?

Why would NYT/Carlos slim do that? It was an unintentional boon to trump supporters, while trying to decry his policies as inhuman

Distraction. Same reason they make a deal about narco-subs and trebuchets when most of the drugs come to shore on a container ship and orphans are moved through charities on buses and planes.

How is a wall going to stop the Lolita express?

You can’t just say “distraction.” That doesn’t mean anything.

Distraction from what? Are you implying the NYT is on trump’s side?

I told you. Distraction from the fact that most of the smuggling happens in plain sight.

Ever watched the wire? How is they smuggle the drugs and people?

Trump might be a douche, maybe even a perv....but your purposely trying to connect something that has nothing to do with him and making things up.

This is why he won the election...one group consistently accuses the other of something they are guilty of...if anything, this will lead back to the Clintons, per usual.

after las vegas, trump immediately went to Arizona.

trumps mara lago property is the location where Epstein was known to pick up 13 year old girls in the filed lawsuit, you should be able to find the article or you arre really out of it.

trump and epstein are friends, epstein and alefantis are friends, alefantis and bronfman and cafritz are friends, and they are all now tied to this rothchild mayor and cemex, which turns out to be an israeli subsidiary, to which trump is also tied by a dozen things.

so if you are coming at this with the hope trump is going to lock up the pedos, you are so hopelessly naive i can't really help you.

trump is a pedo, don't you get it? (if he can still get it up, which I doubt he can even with a handful of viagra) (and putin and netanyahu are fucking him so hard, how would he even have time for his own pleasure?)

Ya when he kicked him out...he was friends with someone for awhile who was friends with someone else?

Ok so the dude actually helped start the Clinton foundation, who steals kids...Clinton went there like 13 times to his islands.

It's right there...and your grasping and pulling on anything you can to ignore and try to connect something you can't.

It's slightly pathetic.

You guys hate this man so much that it's starting to cause some of you mental problems. He's gone in a year, who gives a f**k...

https://nypost.com/2016/10/09/the-sex-slave-scandal-that-exposed-pedophile-billionaire-jeffrey-epstein/

http://gawker.com/here-is-pedophile-billionaire-jeffrey-epsteins-little-b-1681383992

Or take your pick: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=trump+epstein+black+book&ia=web

search 'mar a lago epstein' and you'll find even more.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/3/13501364/trump-rape-13-year-old-lawsuit-katie-johnson-allegation

There exists evidence that Trump is connected to all of this and I have looked at it, you can't trick me into not knowing what I know.

1. The girl lied, she had her case thrown out the first time and the second she herself went back in it.

2. He threw Epstein out after he hit on an underage girl

3. They aren't friends anymore so whatever he learned about him he didn't like.

So you seem to be concerned about trafficking...how many posts did you make when Hillary cancelled the investigation on the state employees with CP on their computers? How about when they helped the silsbys who ACTUALLY got got kidnapping kids at a border and charged with it, how about bill actually flying to that island over 19 times, what about their pedo friends, Epstein helped start the Clinton foundation who steals kids from hati..

So where are your posts on this if your actually concerned? Why would you reach to try to ccontect something not connected while ignoring something with so much of an actual connection.

police can mobilise a SWAT team to shoot a pot dealer 30 times,

its what the banks & pharmaceutical industry want

Here is a lot of information uncovered about everything about this. https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/1618616.html

I'm not a big fan of saying "he's a Navy SEAL ergo he can never lie." He's human. He's part of the military-industrial complex, in the same unit that may have faked bin Laden's death. He has clear political motives in making up an elaborate child sex trafficking conspiracy (lol Clinton!).

It's like saying all cops can't lie because they're cops.

Sawer, the supposed "expertise" in child sex trafficking, and his entire organization, have in one year managed to extract ONE minor from sex work. But he's probably busy making that Netflix documentary about his efforts...

He may be a good soldier, but this is not his area of expertise and his organization does not seem to be effective at much more than publicity and fundraising. Seriously, look at the website for V4CR.. it's all "buy our shirts" and "shop using our Amazon affiliate link" (seriously). The FAQ is all about donation or booking Craig to speak (for a fee). Even "volunteering" for them quickly turns into a money grab, requiring a $50 monthly donation in order to receive a certificate stating that you are a "Warrior For Child Rescue".

I'm not saying that just because he is a Marine, then a SEAL, that he is infallible.

I'm saying that because I have friends I served with that know him personally, and I very much trust what they have to say.

Do you know actual experts in human trafficking/child sex trafficking (not people who became involved a year ago) who have worked with him and speak highly of him?

Oh what a scumbag he only reached ONE child what a chump.

How many kids have you rescued? It costs a lot of money to run an operation like that of course they need money, do you think veterans are just independently wealthy? If he is doing this as a job, hell even if it's a hobby, he is putting way more on the line than you are!

Are you suggesting they're doing all of this to make money? If he wanted money he woild use his skills to go become a contractor and make 6+ figures a year.

Some ppl cannot be pleased I guess. What would this man, or groups need to do for you to believe that they want to rescue kids? What people need to be doing it so they're skilled enough in your eyes to be doing this?

So you’re invalidating this entire story because you think it’s a frame job for Clinton?

Lmao sure

Maybe because the police have better things to do than muck around an abandoned homeless camp? Also, these armed loonies have destroyed any chances of a proper investigation as they’ve made videos of themselves contaminating evidence by digging through the place while calling every thing they see an obvious sign of a child sex dungeon. This is typical Pizzagate hysteria and it doesn’t help that you have armed psychopaths on site thinking it’s all a government cover up despite the fact they’ve already had police sent there to investigate and the media has been covering it.

Is that dude really a SEAL?

The guy with the beard, the mouthpiece for VOP, no he isn't the SEAL, and I do not know his military background if any.

C.Sawyer, callsign "Sawman" was a Marine Sniper I believe, then cross decked to the Navy to become a SEAL.

He is a pretty outspoken fellow at times, and certainly right wing, but from what I Know of him (again, men that I served with, are good buddies with Sawman, and I trust them, and their word/opinion on Sawman.

Sawyer is making a documentary type film for Netflix, currently, about this very topic of child abduction, human and sex trafficking, etc.

Nice! Thank you for the reply.

I have a gut feeling the LV “incident” is somehow tied to all this and a bigger overall picture, albeit it mostly hidden.

Child's skull found

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1423878191092423&id=1415347948612114&refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com%2F1415347948612114%2Fvideos%2F1423878191092423%2F&notif_t=video_reply&_rdr

Why wouldn’t they want this story covered? They’ve been pushing child trafficking conspiracies since p-gate. Plus this kind of thing happening in a city so close to the border would also be good for their narrative. It makes absolutely not sense that they’d be trying to cover this up.

My guess is that they are trying to avoid getting banned for doxxing like that one mod said.

Just out of curiosity, what is your theory for why they would want to scrub this story from their sub?

Huh, interesting. Thanks for telling me. I don’t really go there, but I’ll keep an ear to the ground now for other people calling out the mods over there for being compromised.

Are you a frequent poster there? Do you know which mod is compromised?

I was banned a few weeks back for making an anti-Israel post in a topic on Israel on T_D. Called an anti-semite by whatever mod was communicating in reddit messages too.

They are most definitely compromised.

They aren't compromised, they are just crazy non-thinking projectionists.

well, maybe you are right since Rothchild is a mayor of Tucson.

I just googled that. JFC. How many times do these same names have to keep showing up regarding these disgusting actions before people ask "hey wait a minute..."

I rarely post on td. Look at my post history. It is 99% 2016. Still doesn't stop people from saying "you posted on td". Sub has changed hands a bunch of times and all mods are now spez approved.

But in a realer realm. what did faith did you ever have in these orgs? just jw because conspiracy or not that would be insane,

Something changed since last summer. Just a different place

How has it changed in your opinion? I'm not a regular, jist curious

The sub has several special rules attached to it by Reddit admin. Linking non public people is doxxing, can't link other subs and can't name spez. Ever since Spez was caught editing people's posts and the popular female mod was banned for lifting the spez filter, the TD mods have changed it into a meme sub. Before you could go there and get news before anywhere else because other people weren't reporting on it. Now news never gets reported there unless it isn't controversial. Either the sub is comprovised (low chance) or more likely that there have been further threats by Reddit admin t

Either way, in it's current state, we are fucked come 2020 if things don't change.

Good answer

My impression is that the more controversial news forked to r/greatawakening with a decrease in quality.

this is most likely the case

was just banned after having several threads deleted

so true

Odds on the FBI not investigating this properly

Odds are the FBI investigates these vigilantes for spreading propaganda.

Child trafficking is propaganda?

Where is the evidence? Saying that something is child trafficking, without any proof, is propaganda. Especially when you see them spreading it and commenting on it like it proves something. They have even now taken to 4chan and 8chan to "investigate" so that they can hopefully find some "clues" since they haven't found any.

Ok. Tell you what. You sit right here on the internet and demoralize patriots and call child trafficking "propaganda" and wait for Anderson Cooper to weigh in while the rest of us get to work.

Those rednecks or anything but Patriots.

Those rednecks are not Patriots.

Til the US Veterans that spend their retirement searching for trafficked children are not patriots...

You, internet warrior that is at the ready to demoralize a veteran that has dedicated his life to saving children, you are surely the real patriot here. Type on! With all your might! Smash keys and be as passive aggressively demoralizing as your cold heart can be. It only fuels us. And when you finally get it we will be there to forgive you.

Where is the internet going

I heard it is going to go dark. Maybe they just mean the social media part of it. I'm not sure.

His idea of a patriot is Antifa.

That is my general impression.

You can't change reality to suit your beliefs. If this place is a child trafficking camp call the police and let them know your suspicions. Otherwise this is people making assertions and we all know people are 100% reliable and accurate in cases like this. If the VoP group has seen shady stuff I imagine the police would accept their calls.

You'd imagine wrong then.

You either have far too much faith that the cops will do the right thing, or you're a shill.

They showed evidence, they called every agency they can and nobody wants to investigate.

Why would you sit there, do no additional research, and say these guys aren't patriots? They found physical evidence. They showed it to us.

Thank you for taking nicer words out of my mouth ❤

"They showed it to us" What was shown? I've heard there were bodies and condoms and whatnot, but all anyone has seen pics of is homeless people trash... If there's evidence of the claims that this is a child sex cult or whatever then make with the proof. If you can't because you don't have any then shut the fuck up already.

Interesting how the same keyboard detectives that believe in this are the same ones who believe Q is a real thing and not just a fucking LARP joke.

He's a shill. Reddit is one big shill echochamber...I come here just to play whack a mole.

Call local news and ask them to publish something/anything about it. Then you can post on T_D (or at least one of us can) on what isn't speculation and people will have a chance to see it and the discussions in the comments.

They did:

http://www.kvoa.com/story/38330840/homeless-camp-or-child-trafficking-den

News 4 Tucson toured the site with Veterans on Patrol and noticed structures in the camp were tied together using similar straps that they described as restraints.

The area used where they claim the children may have been kept could also have been used as shelter to get out of the heat or place to sleep.

Do you usually keep dirty, bloody clothes in your shady spot? And the kids toys and condoms? The knife?

It's not a little hiding spot in the ground, there are lockable cells.

And oddly the entrance is too small for adults.

ahahahah.....man....how could 7 people upvote that? "We built these child size bunkers in the desert so children can get up in them to get out of the heat and sleep...forget the condoms and knives...and creepy child size bunkers in the desert"

Did they ever post any evidence or file a police report, and get an investigation number? Now they want to bring in the Clinton Foundation? This is typical PSYOP material.

Then how do you explain this conversation from 1.2 years ago....it's a coincidence or is it all made up? https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1671298

What do you think that the school symbols prove? How do you suppose an entire community and school system full of these people hide it all?

no no....it would just be the people that helped fund the school, donated and helped build/name the school. I wonder if, say, a Rothchild was major, whether or not they had anything to do with building the school?

Why would they want to put it on the school then?

They love to flaunt their symbolism? idk ...I guess it's like a club thing. There's no doubt that it exists. They must think they are so rich and powerful they can do whatever they want.

Can someone point me to the evidence that this is child trafficking/abuse and not just a homeless camp where kids also lived?

No they can't.. their best evidence is from 4chan and they obviously have an agenda.

I see a couple threads where people have made these claims but it's not really linked to any evidence that shows what they're claiming. Maybe it's some where in the 8chan link a couple people have posted but that honestly looks like something a schizophrenic put together. It's just a ton of random points of information not tied together in any kind of way.

They're live streaming it.

There was video and pictures of the things they found. Is it normal to have a giant water tank under ground wuth a lockable hatch on the outside, with a dresser and chair in it? And bloody clothes and a knife? A plane ticket for a now missing person?

They have physical evidence and showed it.

I can think of a lot of explanations, what's the evidence that those are connected to child trafficking? Unless There's some real evidence it seems like they just jumped straight to this conclusion for some reason.

The conclusion is clearly human trafficking.

It's not a homeless camp, they staked it out for days and no homeless ppl came back there.

they staked it out for days and no homeless ppl came back there

Ermm, maybe it had been abandoned weeks or months or years ago? I'm not saying it's not a child trafficking site, but I'm honestly shocked by the low threshold of evidence people seem to require to arrive at that conclusion.

You are a deplorable human being for protecting child traffickers.

Fuck off clown.

Reported. Please discuss the topic, not the users.

He unjustly accused me of personally protecting child traffickers and you report me for being angry about that. What a petty and agenda-driven person you are. Also, it turns out I was right. Investigators and dogs were sent in, and everyone's orgasmic excitement yesterday was completely unwarranted.

When you enter a thread with zero information and call any information provided bullshit, I can see how that perception can be painted.

Maybe next time don't attempt to act like an expert when you aren't in an attempt to discredit others.

I didn't "act like an expert". I gave my opinion that the body of evidence for it being a child trafficking camp wasn't substantial. And I was absolutely correct. And I never attacked anyone. And I never called anything bullshit. That's you creating a strawman to criticise.

Maybe next time don't enter a thread with zero information, attempt to act like a moderator when you aren't, and then lie about what others have said.

That's no proof of anything, homeless camps get abandoned all the time. They are, by definition, transient. From looking at the video it doesn't look lived in recently.

Who is upvoting these ridiculous claims? Even if yeah, they staked it out and no homeless people came back, it's just laughable to jump to "ergo it's a human trafficking camp for children connected to the Clinton campaign."

Locations get abandoned. Stuff does not.

At homeless camps? Pretty much everything they're not going to carry gets left behind. Do you really think they're going to load up whatever old dresser they found and carry it to the next place they're gonna live?

Yea trash gets left at the location. Homeless don't just move camps tho. It's a lot of effort. Unless forced to move by weather or police they're prone to stick around. And if they dug out a shelter and put a water tank in there and covered it back up...

To add on the homeless camp is right on the other side of the wash and they asked the homeless staying there and they said they don’t go over there because of the cartel

Please, what are your explanations for this camp?

That it's a place where people are living temporarily so most of those things are not out of place at all. A room with a dresser and chair, like you would have in a home? A knife, pretty essential. Bloody clothes, could be probably from anything. A plane ticket … for a person who is probably not missing, just the 4chan "investigators" don't know where the person is.

But you're relying in pure speculation, you're not there, and you did no research. But your correct and the men there who found this, who are former Navy SEALs and Marines have no idea what they're looking at?

How does being Navy SEALs and Marines make them experts in human trafficking? They're just pointing to totally normal stuff like straps and just deciding that it must be part of some child rape camp. Like they started at a conclusion that kids were raped there so they just went through trying to find things they could decide were evidence of it.

Because the SEAL involved is literally an expert in recovering children that have been trafficked.

And some of the other vets are EXPERTS as in it is there job, to help homeless ppl.

So if these people say that it looks likes trafficking camp, in inclined to listen.

What the fuck more could you want? Let me guess, you know more than all of the EXPERTS who are there?

Why are you so against this being a thing?

I'm not for or against anything, just pointing out that there's zero evidence to support what they're claiming.

“Why are you so against this being a thing?”

We are on a conspiracy sub, we are meant to question, debate and play devils advocate.

This isn’t an echo chamber.

I'm sorry to have to break it to you but rape trees are a thing.

https://poe.house.gov/floor-remarks?ID=9B2D1340-A79B-4A41-B18D-E64986C90EBB

A different thing to what's being claimed here though.

They found a rape tree, used condoms, tons of kids toys, car seats, strollers, and old shoes, as well as an underground holding area covered by brushes with an entrance too small for most adults to fit into and just far enough down that a child couldn't get out on their own in an area where cartels operate heavily. Something's fucky.

But they didn't find a "rape tree". You can keep saying that but the videos vs your link show otherwise.

Why are you being disingenuous? What's your agenda here?

2 trees with what looks to be restraints hooked up to them, for victims arms. women's underwear.

What videos are you watching?

Homeless ppl must be kinky as fuck

Reports are there were blueprints left behind for expansion.

What would that prove?

That it wasn't just temporary.

But it's not a room, it's a water tank underground that locks from the outside. Not out of place?

Not out of place in a homeless camp, no. Homeless people frequently make underground rooms to live and store things

No they do not "frequently make underground rooms". Have you ever met a homeless person? They don't exactly exert a great deal of effort. They aren't digging underground rooms, alright.

The amount of manual labor it would require to dig out a livable underground shelter is not proportionate to the immediate hazards it proposes (flood, collapse, suffocation, etc). This is why homeless people use more practical things for their shelter, like tents, boxes, tarps, dense vegetation, and various combinations of these.

So now it's your job to make me believe that you believe there are great numbers of homeless people out there shoveling by hand, underground rooms in compacted earth "for them to live in" and that this happens so commonly that it can be described as a frequent occurrence.

You'll get paid all the same but tell your boss I didn't buy it.

https://www.yaktrinews.com/news/source-sheds-light-on-homeless-mans-underground-dwelling/737084035

Took 2 seconds on Google. Many many more examples if you care to look.

Also don't call me a paid shill ita bad form

Those articles were written because it isn't common for them to build these kinds of structures.

"Prove that homeless people live underground"

"Ok here's proof"

"Actually that proves I'm right."

Lmao

You claimed that homeless people do this kind of shit frequently.

Your claim: homeless people commonly build underground

Your proof: article about something uncommon

You'll get paid all the same but tell them I didn't buy it.

"You disagree with me ergo you're a shill! REEEEE!"

Check these videos out if you doubt the effort people go through to find places to live.

In this video homeless people were punching holes through concrete and steel highways and carving out spaces to live, then carrying heavy furniture through the holes to live in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1_C7l7iAI4

In this video homeless people were dragging furniture, water tanks, bedding, and other heavy to carry stuff miles into storm drains: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VLQkdq74kk

This second video also disputes your claim that it can't be a homeless camp because of the immediate hazards. People DIE in Las Vegas storm drains every year. They are sustainable to sudden flash floods even when it's not raining, CO and methane gas buildup, etc, yet hundreds of people still live there.

I think the issue -- and this is not uncommon among conspiracy theorists -- is you have no real understanding of the realities of the key issues here, and just make blind assumptions to support your narrative.

Like "oh homeless people wouldn't live in dangerous places!" and "oh homeless people aren't going to put a lot of effort into making a place to live!" Both dead wrong if you ask anyone who's even spent a few minutes in an actual homeless encampment.

Like "oh homeless people wouldn't live in dangerous places!" and "oh homeless people aren't going to put a lot of effort into making a place to live!" Both dead wrong if you ask anyone who's even spent a few minutes in an actual homeless encampment.

NAXALT fallacy. You can't point to exceptional instances and pretend that they represent the mean. If this is a homeless shelter, it is exceptional and uncommon.

Since it appears uncommon, it warrants investigation. If it turns out to be a homeless camp, then we know. But you're thinking up an less likely explanation and using it to justify ignoring certain evidence. There's a small chance some homeless people have buried a water storage tank for shelter, and a bigger chance that it may be utilized for nefarious purposes considering its location. There's no way to know without doing an investigation, which in and of itself may contain conspiracy, which is why we are both here anyways.

It's just weird that anyone would go to such lengths to explain away peculiar circumstances that could be cleared of suspicion so easily and with such little effort and resources, when it could possibly lead to the downfall of the global human market.

That's the thing though -- dangerous homeless encampments are the norm, not the exception. By their very definition most are crime and disease ridden to begin with, even the "normal" tent ones. Many are remote and outside of emergency services.

to justify ignoring certain evidence.

There's literally no evidence to ignore though. It's a run of the mill homeless encampment. None of the things people are claiming exist, actually exist.

Restraints, a pretty big red flag if true. However you can clearly see in the video what the authors call "restraints" for kids are actually straps being used to support the makeshift structure and hold it together.

There's a small chance some homeless people have buried a water storage tank for shelter, and a bigger chance that it may be utilized for nefarious purposes considering its location.

No, there is not. Take it from someone who has personally visited many of these sites -- homeless people are very ingenious with their structures. How many homeless encampments have you personally visited? Where are you getting your understanding of homeless encampment engineering from to claim that using such structures is unusual?

Of course the camps are dangerous, why wouldn't they be mitigating the dangers? Didn't they find tons of dolls and toys? On property of a cement company which is a donor of the Clinton Foundation, near the Mexico border? I'm not saying it can't be a homeless camp, but you're saying it can't possibly be human trafficking?

It can possibly be an alien abduction site too -- you can't just say "well it could be this wild thing! I have no evidence to support it but IT COULD BE!!!!"

On property of a cement company which is a donor of the Clinton Foundation, near the Mexico border?

It's not uncommon for homeless encampments to set up on large properties like that. It's buried and on the outer fringe of the property lines, in an area with no equipment and no activity taking place. The property owner and employees have no usual reason to = go out that far and a small company like that probably doesn't have the finances ot hire a private security company to do patrols.

Around here people set up tents in the woods behind many businesses. Yes they own the land, but how are they supposed to know they're there?

You're seriously reaching trying to connect the cement company to the Clinton Foundation. How many people are Clinton Foundation donors? And what's the amount we're talking here? It must be pretty low if it was an individual donor -- there are like $2,500 caps on those donations.

You could probably connect every single company in the country to the Clinton Foundation if you're only going by if someone connected to it donated to the foundation. Oh look the janitor made a $100 contribution! /s

Didn't they find tons of dolls and toys?

There is such a thing as homeless children you know.

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What the fuck are ou talking about? In Seattle shit like this is never found, and we have a horrible homeless problem, along with many desolate areas.

Yup, We have a flood of people who haven't been following the event act as if they're experts.

They simply aren't, and I'm more willing to believe an experienced team that has seen hundreds of homeless camps than I am willing to believe some ignorant, huge ego keyboard warrior.

Since the person I responded to's post was removed for calling me a shill, I'll add my explanation here:

Check these videos out if you doubt the effort people go through to find places to live.

In this video homeless people were punching holes through concrete and steel highways and carving out spaces to live, then carrying heavy furniture through the holes to live in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1_C7l7iAI4

In this video homeless people were dragging furniture, water tanks, bedding, and other heavy to carry stuff miles into storm drains: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VLQkdq74kk

These types of homeless encampments are the norm, not the exception. I think the problem is you, having never been exposed to this world before, equate "homeless encampment" with tents in the wilderness, and thus anything more warrants extensive forensic investigation because some random guy said its a child sex trafficking ring. That's simply not true.

I don’t think you understand how hard it is to dig into Arizona Clay. This is a JOB that required a lot of time and effort to put together. A couple of homeless people didn’t set it up. The best part though is that the guy who discovered all this spends all of his time LOOKING AT HOMELESS CAMPS! Don’t you think he might be a little better at identifying this stuff than you are??

Dont you think the police might be a little better at investigating human trafficking than he is?

https://www.kgun9.com/news/local-news/tucson-police-say-they-have-no-evidence-of-human-trafficking-at-bunker-near-i19-and-valencia

you're trying wayyyyy to hard to debunk this as if it's nothing at all

Come on! Don't you know that police are never corrupt? /s

A bit of a problem if the police are in on it though

no

Youre familiar with Sheriff Joe Arpaio? The guy who made a pipe bomb, planted it under his cruiser, and then framed a schizophrenic man for it? That man was imprisoned for 9 years and Arpaio never even got arrested for it. He’s the guy that used to be in charge of these very same police... So no, I don’t trust these cops and their sketchy coverup(s).

Interesting. Do you think maybe Donald Trump is ordering them to cover this up, and that's why he pardoned Arpaio, to have this leverage? Could this be where he's done with all those missing kids?

Not just child trafficking, but child trafficking linked to the Clintons!*

Lmao of course, there you have it

Damn... I thought Inwas just being facetious but now that’s actually where some of these people are going with this...

Uhhh, and it’s being suppressed on the_donald?

Why would that be?

And you are straight up accusing these navy seals of staging a trafficking route at a site owned by a company run by rothschilds that donated to CGI

When did I accuse them of staging a trafficking route? Theyre not staging anything, they're just going through and making stuff up.

"Those straps holding up those boards and tarps are … uh... rape ropes! Yeah, that's the ticket! And this room with a dresser is … is a rape dungeon! Don't you see it?!"

They’ve found graves, childrens clothes/toys, boxes of condoms, restraints to hold children, bunkers/cells to hold children that are too big to hold adults, bloody child’s underwear, a bloody knife etc.

Clearly human/child trafficking. You can go look at all of it yourself, they livestreamed it.

Graves lol. They didn't find graves.

Yeah I also saw those "restraints." They were straps still tied to the wooden plans used to hold their shelter together, but the guy was like "uhh… they're rape ropes! That's the ticket!"

Ah yes because you, a random reddit user, who has only watched a short video, definitely knows better than Navy Seals and Army Vets who are actually there trained to combat human trafficking, right? 🙄

I’m sure you’ve been in and have seen/built/explored ons of homeless and human trafficking camps in your day 🙄

Who cares if they're Navy SEALS. If they look at straps clearly tied to wooden planks holding together a shelter and decide that those are "rape ropes," then they're either idiots or trying to push some kind of agenda.

They’re clearly restraints in trees, not tied to wooden planks and arent for holding anything together.

They literally showed the bloody knife, child’s underwear, etc. on camera, and had to stop digging up graves because of the smell.

But I forgot, some random douchebag behind his keyboard on reddit knows WAY better than these trained veterans and Navy SEALS who are actually out there lmao.

How come nobody will grant their request for cadaver dogs no matter how hard they try, but can mobilize a SWAT team in 10 minutes to take out a marijuana grow op?

What will happen when it comes back that there are fingerprints from a plethora of different kids in the kid-sized jail cell?

And you want me to trust the LEOs that are complicit? One article says that complicit cops found no evidence of human trafficking, nothing to see here folks 🙄

But I forgot, some random douchebag behind his keyboard on reddit knows WAY better than these trained police officers and investigators who are actually out there lmao.

You mean the “trained” officers and investigators that have done nothing but arrest two of their people standing on PUBLIC property? Trained officers who refused to test or secure any evidence? Trained officers who haven’t even scoured secured the area yet? Officers who haven’t even ran a proper investigation yet as this was discovered days ago? and still have the balls to say there is no evidence?

Yeah i’d be willing to say that I know a little better, considering i’ve literally seen video of the evidence. The mayor is a Rothschild for Christ’s sake.

But I forgot, some random douchebag behind his keyboard on reddit knows WAY better than these trained investigators who spent hours out there investigating lmao.

What makes you think these folks are "trained to combat human trafficking"?? As someone who has extensive knowledge and background working with both people experiencing homelessness and victims of human trafficking..... I'm highly suspicious of this claim of yours. They seem to have "expertise" in multiple things.... none of which I've found any of them having expertise in.

They help get homeless veterans and human trafficking victims off of the street. That’s what they do.

Okay, but what training do they have? Just because it's "what they do" doesn't mean they have the training and knowledge to be very successful. Human trafficking is a very different beast than homeless veterans.

And the Rothschilds obviously

very interesting

Do you have a link?

https://www.facebook.com/VOP-Alpha-Co-Team-Pulaski-1415347948612114/

That doesn't mean sex trafficking is happening. This sub doesn't understand sex trafficking.

Is it normal to have a giant water tank under ground wuth a lockable hatch on the outside, with a dresser and chair in it? And bloody clothes and a knife?

Yes. In many Homeless encampments people drag whatever furniture they can find to use in their "homes." Finding odd stuff is not all that uncommon, here are what a few such encampmnets usually look like:

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/znwyd8/inside-the-tunnels-las-vegass-homeless-population-calls-home

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VLQkdq74kk (in this video you can see similar intricate setups like water tanks and rain collection setups).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1_C7l7iAI4

The fact is you have what clearly looks like a classic homeless encampment located on vacant land along a freeway in a big city. Without seeing any evidence of children actually being held, someone wwith a political agenda to push deemed it a "child sex trafficking camp" with ZERO EVIDENCE to support it. And r/conspiracy bought it hook line sinker.

It doesn't look at all like a normal homeless camp. The location isn't where the homeless go. The main structure they reference, isn't adult size, adults cannot fit in it, and kids cannot even be comfortable in it.

And I guess trees with a bunch of restraints attached to it at varying heights, surrounded by curtains, are standard for homeless ppl?

How hard are you trying to just ignore this? Do you think homeless ppl would drag a septic tank out to the desert, dig into the hard clay to bury it, and then toss their kids into the hot, non ventilated, make shift room that Doesn't even have a flat floor?

And that all makes more sense to you?

Please share what your experience with homeless camps are. As it is You're asking people to believe a random keyboard warrior over a group that has seen dozens of homeless camps previously.

Fun fact: Thinking you're intelligent doesn't make it so.

Who is 'they'?

An ambigious collective of people.

Facebook posts aren’t allowed here but the dude who was streaming it showed rape trees with arm and leg restraints and dungeon like bunkers. Also dug up a bloody knife and some evidence linked to a missing girl from Seattle who flew into to Tucson than vanished

http://tucsonnewsnow.com/story/38346339/police-no-indication-of-humantrafficking-at-abandoned-tucson-camp

They are actively covering it up is what people are getting at

Who is covering it up? The people on site? I agree that they are not being honest about why their volunteers got arrested, but not them.

The sheriffs and highway patrol who are being paid off by the cartel, I guess it’s difficult for people who didn’t grow up in southern Arizona. But it’s a known thing that the cartels pay people off here

Do you have evidence to support that, or just anyone that doesn't agree must be getting paid off?

I mean I’ve first hand witnessed certain cops look the other way at certain people pushing drugs. Not all cops are bad but a lot of the corruption starts at the top. So even if some good cop wants to investigate someone his higher up might tell him not to.

I’ve first hand witnessed cops look the other way at certain people pushing drugs. A lot of the corruption starts at the top so even if that one cop wants to investigate that person he thinks is moving dope or trafficking kids his higher ups don’t give them the clearance

In this certain situation the cops are discounting the evidence they are presenting and calling it a rundown homeless camp even all the evidence points to it being something worse. We got a bloody knife, stuff tied to a missing girl, trees with restraint on them, dungeons small enough only for a child to get in but out, scout trees, and the actual homeless camp right across from it said they don’t go over there because of the cartels.

You need to step back and stop trying to gatekeep. This isn't your sub and you don't get to decide the topic others discuss.

Now I've reported you so if you'd like a ban please keep being intentionally obtuse. However if you'd like to pack away your ego and learn, we'd be glad to help educate you.

Educate me how? Go educate yourself and learn to read some news reports.

Sorry man, we have been on this topic reading news reports and updates from Alpha Co as well as several other anonymous users that attempted to go down to the site.

It's not our fault you stumbled on this late, ignored all research then decided to call people stupid. Again, it's a you problem.

Sounds like you have a problem but probably can't be helped. Good luck with that and the arrested volunteers.

I do have a little bit of a problem with those that would protect child sex traffickers, yes.

What about desert meth heads that make up stuff about child trafficking? Is that fine with you?

What about protecting child sex traffickers by up stories about a group that KNOWS what a normal homeless camp looks like?

Is that find with you?

These people are not professionals at anything except meth likely.

You are not an expert on homeless camps. Go inspect a few dozen camps then come back and report your results if you're so confident. Thanks!

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Yeah, I'm going to wait until a proper investigation has been done, unfortunately it looks like milita loonies are going to ruin any chances at that.

These aren't militia loonies. Craig Sawyer is a former Navy Seal who investigates child trafficking for a living. He's involved. They're also unarmed and are repeatedly pointing that out despite a guy on a quad coming and firing rounds off in the air threatening them to leave.

https://www.kgun9.com/news/local-news/tucson-police-say-they-have-no-evidence-of-human-trafficking-at-bunker-near-i19-and-valencia

So then why the threats from probable cartel members over a homeless camp? We know human trafficking is a big problem everywhere but especially in the southern states where the cartels operate heavily. Police can be complicit in it just like any other human being. Look at the rape gangs in the UK. Police were found to be involved in the rapes and cover ups. The people on the ground have shown experts in human trafficking this place who agreed that's what it's used for and they're familiar with the area as well as it's homeless camps. Keep in mind this was stumbled upon by a group going out looking for homeless vets living in the desert because that's what they do. They would know what one looks like.

As someone into urban exploration, I can tell you that's not uncommon when trespassing on private property in gun country. I live in New England but I have many friends who explore in places like Texas and get warning shots fired off at them a LOT.

I have also not watched the entire video but do we actually see the gun getting shot off? I'd be very suspicious of him pulling out "LOL I'm getting death threats I must be on to something!" out of thin air.

The guy pulling the gun isn't the owner. They've tried contacting the owners who want nothing to do with it. These are reputable guys who I wouldn't assume were hoaxing something for attention. Much like every other person who writes off disconcerting things under the guise of skepticism, you're taking things that actually are weird and trying to turn them into common things.

It could simply be a drug smuggling tunnel? Maybe a tunnel the coyotes use to smuggle people into the country?

They probably do which is exactly the point everyone is making. But if there's drugs and cartels involved there's also human trafficking and subsequently child trafficking.

You keep just linking this one bullshit news article that has been proven tine and time again to be wrong.

You're trusting that single article more than video footage of what is currently going on.

You're trusting a reporter who talked to a cop, and the cop said they think it's a normal homeless camp. That isn't damning evidence that this is all wrong, but you are desperate to believe it, and convince others.

At least make some valid points beyond linking that one article.

I guess we just believe all news articles now, unquestioningly. And cops would never say anything to cover their own ass.

It's been proven wrong? Can you explain how it's been proven wrong, because I've never seen that.

I mean, VOP are experts in tracking and locating homeless camps, they would know what to look for, and what is out of place for a normal homeless camp site or whatever.

The former SEAL that was involved has spent at least the past year searching for human trafficking operations. Plus his military training and experience in combat, he is uniquely suited to be able to know what to look for, and what would be out of place at a standard homeless people camp.

I mean, the trees with a bunch of straps attached to them, hidden from view by makeshift curtains.

The alleged blood covered knife, clothing, towels.

The bag of dark hair dye (if it's just a stop off for coyotes as some suggest, then why would they be needing black hair dye, when the Mexican people are often dark/black haired.

The big ass, multiple hundred of gallons sized septic tank type container, in the ground... so a homeless guy found this, dragged it here, managed to dig it into the hard AZ clay, and just tossed his kid in there? Because it should be noted that an adult cannot fit in it, and for a child, there is no spot to get comfortable or even to play, it's a curved on the bottom...

The local homeless saying that they don't go into that area. Then describe where and why the homeless set up camps, and that they would not set up camp there, and that it certainly doesn't look like a homeless camp to them.

Then, you have the one guy from early on in the story who was trying to scare VOP off, and he said that HE had built it, and it was so he could escape the heat.... right....

I mean there are tons of little details that point to this NOT being simply a homeless hideout.

But I guess it's easier to accept that one news story that said it's for homeless ppl, disregard everything being said and found, etc... I mean the government and local police could NEVER do anything unscrupulous, that's basically what you guys are saying at this point.

I understand not jumping head first into the wild conspiracy theories or anything. But just as bad to completely disregard what all these vets are saying, guys who have nothing to really gain from this being relayed to trafficking. They won't even accept cash donations, but of course they must be awful guys.

I’m not here to argue because you have already made up your own mind but it’s the Wild West and it’s private property. Of course there is some dude firing a gun, especially because he has had homeless people building tents and shit around his area. He’s also close to the border so is probably on guard.

Have you been to Tucson? The amount of homeless people there is insane.

Yeah, the dude owning the gun doesn't own the property. They've contacted the owners repeatedly and they've done nothing. The owners are CEMEX, one of the biggest concrete companies in the world who are involved with the Clinton Foundation.

Who is going to do a "proper" investigation? The local media, the local police? If anything it appears they are complicit or worse.

Militia "loonies" are the only reason an investigation will be done.

Here it the video

That's not evidence of anything, it's just a bunch of guys in the dark, not showing any of the things they're talking about, and deciding that everything they see is part of some child rape organization. Calling a hole in the ground a "dungeon" doesn't make it true.

This video shows the restraints attached to a tree and toys.

Those aren't "restraints" they're straps. You can clearly see they're being used to hold that makeshift structure together.

This would be like going into your house and making a video, finding twine in a drawer and calling it your "rape string" and seeing a lock on your kids' door and deciding that it's a rape dungeon.

Oh yeah? It's on the news there.

lol that's just a different video of the same guys making the same claims without evidence

No it's a news story that features the man that discovered the camp. You were inactive until 2 days ago and all you've done is say how this information is false and that there is no evidence. I'm showing you the evidence. I am showing you a news reporter interviewing that man. So you can keep denying it all you want. Anyone with half a brain can see what you're doing.

Ok here's another, more recent news report.

https://www.kgun9.com/news/local-news/tucson-police-say-they-have-no-evidence-of-human-trafficking-at-bunker-near-i19-and-valencia

Yeah I just posted that. The police refusing to investigate is highly suspicious indeed because everyone that is not police says it's for child trafficking. More spots like this will be discovered and the American public will be made aware of the corruption in the government. Rest assure, this is only the beginning. video update

What are you talking about refusing to investigate? This article says they did investigate. They sent "officers and investigative teams".

Do you just say whatever you want to fit your narrative regardless of whether its true or not?

Jonathan Rothschild is the mayor of Tuscon. WE know. Lots of us know. And we will fight back. We're not dumb.

Ahh, so that's what this is. One of those political smears regardless of evidence. I was kinda befuddled as to why these people were making these baseless claims, at least this explains the reason for it.

Just because a reporter interviewed someone doesn’t make it real?

I’d also like to know how “OMG CLINTON FOUNDATION” is somehow related?

I have no idea what is going on...but this seems like crazy tinfoil hat stuff?

That and why would something related to HRC be deleted from The_Donald?

The men involved aren't saying that, first off all, that's just conspiracy conjecture.

However, links HAVE been discovered, whether it means nothing, and is tenuous at best, it exists.

The company that owns this land, that threatened these veterans, is a large donor to Clinton programs, and Soros own large amounts of stock in the company as well.

Does it mean it's nefarious? Not necessarily, but it is a connection that exists.

What I find odd is the limited news results.

This site says police have visited

http://m.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/38334795/group-wants-federal-investigation-into-abandoned-camp-in-tucson

What is the news here? That someone found a homeless encampment and invented w ild conspiracy theory about it with no evidence to base it on?

Yes. And there are a lot of threads about it with fervent defenders...

Did you watch the video?

Can you explain how that space that could fit children but not adults would be ripe for vagrancy?

The way the votes are going here, this forum is done, infiltrated. A small locked entry, that only children could fit through is discounted. Small and low arm ties are skipped over. These people are sick.

They just don’t want anything pinned on the clintons. #1 reason the retard above me dismissed the entire notion

Cognitive dissonance is a bitch. If trump had anything to do with this, I would want to fucking know

You have to have the background, I have been working on this for over a year.

https://steemit.com/conspiracy/@mindhawk/arizona-child-protective-services-appears-completely-corrupt

With the knowledge that child protective services allowed the osteras/frodsham thing to happen without reform, that numerous whistleblowers say that the foster system is corrupt, and with the knowledge that arpaio didn't investigate child complaints for decades, and that he has only been rewarded, the new information fills in all the blanks.

Arizona has been a major trafficking hub for the elite network that has legalized child abuse for their personal tastes, I have found smoking guns, the VOP found an actual gun.

kids also lived? are you nuts? did you see the pictures?

CEMEX, the property owner for the site, is connected to everyone in pizzagate, the rothchilds, clintons, mexican politicians, and david geffen.

If you aren't seeing anything, there is something wrong with you in the brain.

I see no reliable sources anywhere in this thread. A Facebook link doesn't count and your personal 'investigation' doesn't count.

the link to my research will take you to a dozen archived local AZ articles about child abuse in the AZ foster system that is systemic and gets a blind eye.

here are two links to the video evidence of child cells at this site in Tuscon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2SnNT2W7qA&feature=youtu.be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx5WFukfrIo

That said, I think your lazy and not very bright, so I'm blocking you because I don't have time for people with your attitude.

a hint of criticism, and you take your ball and go home. Interesting approach

Let me ask the one question that no one seems to be asking. If this CEMEX company owns the grounds and are connected as you said, then why did they build this makeshift child trafficking camp out in the open close to a freeway where it could easily be found? Why not put this operation into one of their buildings where it can't be stumbled upon so easily?

buildings have owners, so plausible deniability

companies who own tons of remote real estate are perfect for an operation like human trafficking

the higher ups in the company can make sure no complaints are heeded or forwarded from them, and if anyone else like VOP runs across what is going on, they can just say, 'we own so much land who could keep track of all this'

seeing highly upvoted posts here too saying this is all the clinton global initiave, with zero evidence

the child height shackles

They said there were graves, guess we'll see

Thank you. I've seen plenty of more permanent residences that people have managed to scrabble together out of nothing, and this just looks like a poor illegal's family camp. The man even came back and begged for his tools and they said no. Those were probably the only livelihood he had.

I'm glad you posted this, I was trying to earlier and couldn't think of a good sub.

Also, I wanted to read more, didn't want to jump on a fake story and look stupid, but I'm convinced this is legit.

how is a subreddit able to cover up something like this? protip; it cant.

on the news and rest of the internet or just their sub? if it's just their sub then it's not a "cover up" - at least not how i understand the meaning

If that's the only place you visit on the internet then they can determine what you read.

The Donald. Hahahaha! That sub got taken over a while ago. Some people fled to voat, but then recoiled in horror because they cannot handle Free Speech.

Whenever there's a migration from reddit to voat, some really nasty (trolls?) people show up and make all the newcomers feel as unwelcome as possible. It's counter productive

What are we to do about this? Are people going to just turn a blind eye????? Fucking savages

Craig is a good man. Works hard for this horrible issue ..

Fake and gay.

Why do u say that

just seems like a homeless camp to me

If there was evidence they're totally destroying and tampering with evidence and a crime scene with their good intentions. Anything that's found there in an official capacity will never hold up in court because they've trod all over it, and any defendant could claim it was planted, tainted or simply faked for attention.

I don't know what to believe yet but they're going to totally fuck up that alleged crime scene

Then you've clearly done no research.

They found evidence, they called the police. The police refused to go investigate. They took pictures and gathered evidence in a safe and correct manner.

There is no crime scene because the police will not investigate, why won't they investigate it? Well theories include them being paid off, or them knowing who is implicated in such crimes.

The owner of the land it was found on is a massive, wealthy, powerful company.

I tried posting it on TD and it never showed up in new... wtf

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Fuck T_D. I posted it again on there and the reaction was basically "yawn, no evidence". These are the same people who were obsessed with Pizzagate and here's something just as big and they don't seem to care at all. There's something off about that, it's like it's become a whole different sub. This whole thing isn't right.

What kind of shitty bought account is this

The account was made on February 29, 2016 and doesn't have any posts until 22 hours ago, all of which are about this post.

Gtfo

Does it matter where the account came from? The info is still valid.

Perhaps they made the account to document this? Not wanting to do so on their main?

Truth or r/The_Donald

Pick one.

Switcharoo this is being censored on the d

Cemex board of directors:
Eli Goldstein
Lynn Forrester de Rothschild
Matthew Bronfmann
Every single time...

well said, you might find my research on AZ good background for this, this is the breakthrough i've been hoping for, way to go VOP!

https://steemit.com/conspiracy/@mindhawk/arizona-child-protective-services-appears-completely-corrupt

Where did you find this?

https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/people.asp?privcapId=404061

This is what I found for Cemex Board of Directors

T/D is for Trump supporters/Trump rally type stuff and some trolling btw. Go to /r/asktrumpsupporters if you want to be able to post anything.

I remember CDAN saying something about a southwestern child sex camp.

Didn't trump go to Epstein island...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/5556/7-things-you-need-know-about-trump-and-sex-slave-amanda-prestigiacomo

I wouldn't call it an "active coverup" more of /r/The_Donald playing it safe by not associating itself with another potential "Pizzagate fiasco"

Not sure if it’s been linked on this Sub already but I only came here to see what was been said after seeing this tweet:

https://postimg.cc/image/4xl9n729n/

Why are you trying make this a political thing? You where clearly banned for violating basic rules, not because of some spooky cover up. Chill your hype train and political agenda and just show us some facts or the evidence you speak of.

There was a video about this on Youtube the other day.

Tucson mayor covering it up is a ROTHSCHILD Screenwriters cant make this shit up

https://steemit.com/conspiracy/@mindhawk/arizona-child-protective-services-appears-completely-corrupt

ive been following this for a while now.

first the deniers say, 'there is no way something so big could happen without people finding out'

then they say 'well this evidence is flimsy'

then they say 'well of course we know the elites are up to no good, but what good does it do to think about what we can't change'

people are allowed to think if they don't know how....

and this Rothschild, at least according to a reddit comment, was supposedly a director of some child abuse charity called Casa de los Niños

I dont know what the rules are for linking but this is the quote from the post.

-director of child abuse center Casa de los Niños

Got these from 4chan:

https://imgur.com/U4VBUm0

https://imgur.com/afCcPVf

https://imgur.com/HNidFXc

Those squiggly triangles are observed all over Arizona because it’s borrowed from Native American petroglyphs.

It may mean something in other parts of the world but in this region it is very much a Native American symbol. This area has tons of reservations and tribes all over the place.... it’s not out of place and also not hiding in plain sight. The local gas station all the way up to shopping centres, jewellery (like tradition al necklaces made by elders) to logos on water bottles use this symbol and would be very confused if you started talking about sex trafficking.

I was almost curious about the story but then these symbols were brought up as some sort of proof and the story loses all credibility to me.... like every time these symbols are used to prove a story is connected to pedo shit.

I don’t want to argue that somewhere or someone has used this symbol but correlation is not causation.

Just because you can see a connection or a mutual relationship between two symbols, doesn't necessarily mean that they are related.

Someone on the chans said a picture of a fence with it's traditional decorative iron work was pedo-related. Sometimes a swirl is just a swirl sigh/

Symbols can be coop'd look at hitler and the indian "swastica" be objective here. Source i am native and just because they use a symbol some fkn erlder put on a rock that does not mean its not for another purpose....

Just because a building has a squiggly triangle in the logo doesn’t mean it’s housing a pedo ring.

Yes thats true t99, that is also why we investigate.

Why would r/Donald want to cover it up.

Maybe some of thier cult worship icons might be caught up in this mess.

The reason TD is most likely removing it that it really doesn't fit the subject matter of that board. Are you trying to link Trump to this place? Fat chance.

And the mods somehow knew about all this and are covering it up?

Any sub that doesn't run with this story is automatically guilty of a conspiracy and anyone associated with the topic are pedos.

I wonder if this is related to all the missing migrant children, hence the cover-up.

It'd be real bad if the local police got caught having had something to with the trafficking, but the optics of kids you genuinely lost ending up with traffickers might be enough for the police to go overboard to prevent embarrassment.

Mostly still waiting for more reputable sources.

checkout my background work:

https://steemit.com/conspiracy/@mindhawk/arizona-child-protective-services-appears-completely-corrupt

until now i've had 0 success getting attention on this problem, if you read those links, it will be clear that the child protective services is totally in on it, and there is a clear connection to a military base and that connection was obviously lied about.

Frodsham/Osteras, that could only happen if the system was corrupt to the extent we are now learning.

the boylover symbols on the casino and schools, WTF!

Here is a lot of information uncovered about everything about this. https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/1618616.html

Doesn't make sense though. Trump has arrested more pedophiles/traffickers in 1 year that the Obama administration in 8 years. The Donald does not equal Donald Trump (administration). Something else is going on here, on good old censoring Reddit is most likely a part of it. My bet is that the Donald is a big sandbox, lots and lots of members. They don't mind positive Trump stories, but this, can get the word out to lots of people.

I am going to bet that the story is not on r/politics?

Right.

Try posting this in r/farming. If they remove it, there is undoubtedly a cover up and all farmers are pedos. Such conspiracy.

What does farming have to do with this? Address the post, save the children, not Soros and friends.

That's my point.

How do you connect Trump arresting pedophiles and child traffickers to this story though? We are talking about children and you are making jokes. Very very sad.

What's sad is that something this serious gets flipped to a partisan issue.

Sometimes satire helps show hypocrisy.

I agree. This is a very serious issue, but it has nothing to do with t_d and making it an anti-t_d post does the entire topic and injustice.

The conspiracy is not that the T_D mods suck. Everyone knows that. The conspiracy is that there is a huge pedo-ring likely going back to the pizzagate days which was non-partisan and goes back farther than trump.

OP is acting like T_D mods are smart enough to be aware of all of this, but are covering it up because they already know that it connects to trump..

This goes beyond Reddit mods, republicans and democrats. This is a serious issue that's getting drowned out with disinformation and partisanship. My satire was an attempt to point that out. Trust me, I don't take this shit lightly and I apologize if it comes off like I do.

Well said.

Next week on reddit - the great farmer pedo coverup. Farmers won’t even talk about it. Posts removed and mass banning. Farmers own daughter missing since 2009 (when she moved to the city)

LoL I think we're on to something

lol, absolutely false. The number of arrests made under Trump is less than the prevoius year (when the all time high number of arrests was made).

In 2017 the Trump administration arrested 6355 people, Obama did 9242 in ALL his years. http://i.magaimg.net/img/1xm9.png

Obama and his hot dog parties were a part of the problem.

Try to be a good person, if for no other reason than the children.

Nice outsourced graphic. Probably based on magapill.com, which was double counting arrests and including arrests from every country on earth in its count.

Here are the real figures, with sources, from ICE.

Human trafficking arrests peaked under Obama in 2016, and have dipped by 18% in 2017 under Trump.

1,952 arrests with 631 convictions in 2016 (highest figures ever), 1,602 arrests and 578 convictions in 2017.

2016: https://www.ice.gov/features/human-trafficking

2017: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-working-end-human-trafficking/

Obama

hmmmm....that must mean only one thing.....THAT OBAMA IS RACIST!

magaimg. LOL

Carcosa.

Got a feeling pedo gate is about to his the Republican side hard now.

Damage control.

Yes. Its definitely a partisan issue.

Considering a lot of this shit leads back to the Clinton Foundation...?

Hint: it’s not a partisan issue.

Why are you so excited about that? What points to a Republican? Everything I find points to Clinton, Soros and Rothchilds...complete with Pizzagate Pedo symbolism that points to Podesta. I'd be willing to throw anybody under the bus for this type of shit, so lets talk about these Republicans.....

McCain, Military industrial complex, Blackmail, corruption, bribes. Those who are most conservative tend to be the worst offenders. See Religion Gone Bad by Mel White. See the Vatican.

How much to Republicans claim they are holy warriors and exploit churches and cheap Bible verses for votes, yet they are all completely corrupted as evidenced by Open Secrets?

This stuff hits both parties. Republicans are worse than Democrats when it comes to this Blackmail and corruption scheme. Yet just because Trump ran an "R", people and the cult of Trump think the Republicans are innocent of this long running game. They need to be red pilled and prepared that some of thier heros are guilty disgusting slime balls too.

I want both parties to be exposed and destroyed. They don't represent the people. They deserve to be fired. This country needs a reset. The Republicans should not be shielded just because the heat is on the Clintons and Soros right now.

Oh hell yeah...I'm all for burying McCain. He's definitely a swamp monster. I'd be willing to believe that ALL the swamp is involved in one way or another in order to get their position.

The_Donald is a disgrace for not running with this.

The first link in OP's post works fine for me and it is active in The_Donald.

I've been working on the Arizona child protective services for about a year:

https://steemit.com/conspiracy/@mindhawk/arizona-child-protective-services-appears-completely-corrupt

This is the type of breathrough I have been hoping for and I am now following as closely as I can, archiving whatever I can.

This is why there is a big 7k anti-mormon post on the front page of r/conspiracy, that is the cover....

I only saw a mormon post about billions of dollars in investments in pharma companies and other holdings

Thank you

This belongs here:

https://steemit.com/conspiracy/@mindhawk/arizona-child-protective-services-appears-completely-corrupt

can you stop with the desperate exasperated title, this is what makes this kind of shit hard to believe when you try to sell it

Exactly...it's like "lets forget all the evidence linking this to Clinton and Rothchilds.....it's THE_DONALD!"

This potentially is one of the biggest news stories of the year.

How so...just a theory right now

4chan investigation team reporting for duty!

This reeks of Salt Lake City daycare 2.0. Find some random crap on the Internet, some anecdotes with zero evidence ot back them up, no victims, and invent an elaborate tale of a conspiracy with, again, zero evidence ot back it up.

This is a homeless encampment, nothing more. They visited, and invented out of thin air this narrative that it's a child sex trafficking thing for clear political reasons.

Just disgusting this is allowed to stay up.

Would it not be in Utah then? Um curious to know what homeless grouo keeos log books, drop sites, and kid prices handy in their person in case they need it besides a beer.

If you could provide one of the pictures of these "log books" or "kid prices", then I'd be more convinced, but this is starting to look more and more like nothing but a homeless camp.

I admit it sound s sensational but I agree. Where are these records..

Maybe now all of those who think child sex rings dont exist in the states can open their eyes

Its still to be determined

Sure is shilly in here

Please repost the original link also to the news source covering the story.

T_D literally is not allowed to post this because of the subs special rules from spaz himself.

What rule?

Any personal or non public information shared about a person on T_D is considered doxing by reddit admins. Basically they can't do stuff like this without news reporting it 1st.

I’m confused? R/the_donald belongs to Donald Glover??

Also what is the location of these patriots in Tucson specifically? This is a link to the Tucson Police department https://www.tucsonaz.gov/police/contacts

Let's tell them we are watching, and ask them to investigate CEMEX not hurt these patriots

This has been looked into for over a year: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2575017

https://mobile.twitter.com/NCDM18/status/1003422704173662215

It all points to the Clinton Foundation (https://media.8ch.net/file_dl/8b72079e5444f7d5b7e2972bb41a3edb304c85ed86d0fea5915b46919b271a3f.png/Screen_Shot_2018-06-03_at_8.35.18_AM.png), George Soros and Rothchilds (Mayor of Tuscon, AZ is a Rothschild).

Should make this its own post. It will just remain buried in here.

http://tucsonnewsnow.com/story/38346339/police-no-indication-of-humantrafficking-at-abandoned-tucson-camp

Exactly why they didn't want to hand it over to police....they knew that they would cover it up and they did.

Always make sure when you get called out for spreading propaganda, that you double down on the LARP or start a new one.

THIS IS A CONSPIRACY SUBREDDIT YOU DUMMY. lmfao..this one is stupid.

Not even 1% as stupid as those people at the camp making up stuff about child trafficking.

It's almost as if you are ignoring and belittling things on purpose or something......

Nah... I just don't push propaganda around without any proof and then post about it on 4chan and 8chan. Don't worry, maybe one day you'll get there.

Who exactly is this "propaganda" targeting and why are you so concerned about this "propaganda"? SO CONCERNED.

Because the high amount of inorganic upvotes that it received and the amount of people posting about it without any proof, while ignoring all common sense. Meth is a terrible drug BTW.

"inorganic votes". What makes you think that? This is highly relevant to what's going on in the world.

How is this LARP relevant in any way? This is another Bundy Ranch situation.

It’s real y’all

Could these Phoenix shootings that may be connected to JonBenet also be connected?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/04/us/arizona-killings-timeline/index.html

Why would they remove everything from those camps? How is that helping?

I guess the idea is law enforcement is corrupted by the mafia and would destroy everything. Now well meaning citizens are preserving these items... not exactly ideal.

Nope... Far from it

There is not an active cover up on the_donald, and any mention of said accusation is an action of a shill. Pizzagate STARTED ON the_donald . WE STARTED THE FIGHT. WE WILL FIND THE PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR CHILD RAPE ND TRAFFICKING

Because it goes against their sub-reddit rules you goddamn retard. I'm sorry but the board for Donald Trump Support is not the board to report pedophiles. Perhaps you should look in /r/news or /r/politics (lmfao)

The mere idea that the_donald subreddit is blocking pedophile rape camps because they are in favor of it is the highest level of retardation one can think of.

Go read the rules ?

I thought so too at first, and even questioned OP about it somewhere ITT.

Go look for yourself though. Can you find a single post mentioning Tucson over there right now? Because I sure as hell can't find anything.

Which really just raises a whole bunch of other questions.

Because it goes against their sub-reddit rules you goddamn retard. I'm sorry but the board for Donald Trump Support is not the board to report pedophiles. Perhaps you should look in /r/news or /r/politics (lmfao)

The mere idea that the_donald subreddit is blocking pedophile rape camp posts because they are in favor of it is the highest level of retardation one can think of.

Wow not only are you wrong, but also rude and arrogant too!

Thanks for saving me the hassle of actually trying to discuss ideas with you like a rational adult. Now I can just tag you as the immature child that you are and move on.

And the next school shooting in 3...2...1...

The news is saying the police found no evidence of trafficking. And that it’s just an abandoned homeless camp. Are you FUCKING kidding me? They think we are that dumb? Of course it’s a traffic camp! Anyone involved in the camp and it’s cover up deserves to rot in prison till they die.

However, I have a feeling that will never happen and this story will go cold soon. Fucking heartbreaking.

Waiting for the evidence taken to be presented

Went through the entire thread. There is literally nothing here besides videos of a few guys going through a homeless camp and assuming every single thing they find is linked to child sex trafficking. No people at the camp, no children, nothing but conjecture based on some random items and some shit tied to a tree that was used to hold up a structure, which they're calling restraints. I'm convinced these kinds of completely off-the-fucking-wall posts with insane claims and zero evidence are psyops to make you guys look crazy, which they do very, very well.

Explain the wrist restraints in the trees then... homeless people into BDSM?

Not having been there perhaps wrist restraints is just another man's tie-down for his shitty camp

My only regret with this is how they handled it (and I know they are doing their best and appreciate their efforts in drawing attention to this camp and the larger issue). It would have been better perhaps had they just kept quite and waited for the creators of the camp to return so they could be caught and evidence collected which could be used to truly stop these sacks of shit. Because these people can always create a new camp.

But either way, I’m glad someone found this and stopped it.

This hits home because I found similar worrying items when out exploring near some cemetaries.

I can't really say much without doxxing myself but I found some very strange similar items.. Stuff from the 90's, 2000's, and 2010's even up to today..

Found loose dirt in a square hole with a massive sheet metal piece covering it and suspicious items/trash everywhere. I reported it to the police and FBI but I have not heard back and am tempted to treck up there again to see if anything new has appeared.

I watched the video and it looks like a garbage dump.. or something homeless people would live in. Pretty weak 'conspiracy' I like how OP somehow tied the Donald Trump subreddit into this. Lol

Wrist restraints secured to tree trunks look like a garbage dump to you? What video did you watch?

You think some high level conspiracy ring would use some dirt hole in the ground with some tree branches and crap?

This is stupid.

You didn’t answer my question. I’ll respond to your strawman after you first respond to the question you were asked.

Link me the video and I'll watch it again, I can't find the link again in all the comments. It looked like a homeless camp the first time I watched it.

Just got this message from T_D mods on why they censored the CEMEX story

"They're doxing you dumb fuck."

What a thorough and thoughtful response

There is a new video on the VOP facebook, the cops came by and they had some discussion etc.

I think real child trafficking rings are more sophisticated. No cages or cells. Kids are kept in those.

So far this looks like a place to hunkerdown for illrgal traffickers

Well, I was muted from the Donald for 72 hours for pm'ing a mod and asking why the thread was deleted. He was friendly, said it was due to doxxing and being illegal. Then I was muted. Didn't even post there today. WOW, Something is going on.

Well, I was open to entertain the mods point. But I was literally muted for just asking a question. The Donald now is way different than it used to be. Just like this sub. This used to be the deepest thinking sub I frequented but some time around Trump winning, it just changed. The whole place changed. Now it is was to corporately influenced.

I do hope the Shit hits the fan though soon. We really have to clean this place up.

Good luck to us all, lol.

I got banned for saying building the border wall is a yuge waste of money.

Got 15 upvotes in 5 minutes and then comment deleted and banned.

Shit getting real with the ilegals / homeless / rape tree camp.

https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=D471AOU245UR

True or not. Something is being covered up.

They were looking for homeless people and stumbled across a homeless camp. There's plenty of those around. I don't see why they think this one is a bad one?

I asked what we could tell you and they said:They are not tampering with evidence.The most critical or damning evidence has been collected and taken out per protocol, by VOP.

That's going to totally fuck up any chance of evidence gathering being usable.

Conveniently

I'm lost. A little explanation with the images would be appreciated or at least a finger in the right direction of where this story broke/I can get more info.

What is CEMEX?

Why is this not enough for them to investigate there is literally weird shit hanging on trees?

This is most likely something like "underground inc" (special on Netflix)... there are organizations of people who smuggle in people from Mexico, and in turn make them into sex slavesand promise them freedom and a new life in America...they hair dye, the barrels...they are probably smuggling people in and then trafficking them.

Your title says "the Donald" is covering it up...yet all the comments agreed with you and supported what you were saying?

So do you maybe mean the mods...and maybe you should be a little most honest about how you post things.

https://youtu.be/s5-q3vQZ38o

I found this video on YouTube from 8 years ago, talking about "rape trees" and human/drug trafficking at the AZ border, and they also mention how law enforcement doesn't seem to do much because of environmental regulations (a bullshit excuse).

how is that a cover up?

Odds are the FBI investigates these vigilantes for spreading propaganda.

Where is the evidence? Saying that something is child trafficking, without any proof, is propaganda. Especially when you see them spreading it and commenting on it like it proves something. They have even now taken to 4chan and 8chan to "investigate" so that they can hopefully find some "clues" since they haven't found any.

I can't believe that the country got like this with the border. The crime and cartels are doing whatever they want down there, and paying off anyone they can.

People may say it is just fear mongering, but it looks to me like crime is out of control near the border.

Thank you for taking nicer words out of my mouth ❤

Does it matter where the account came from? The info is still valid.

Perhaps they made the account to document this? Not wanting to do so on their main?

Not out of place in a homeless camp, no. Homeless people frequently make underground rooms to live and store things

What are you talking about refusing to investigate? This article says they did investigate. They sent "officers and investigative teams".

Do you just say whatever you want to fit your narrative regardless of whether its true or not?

Right.

Try posting this in r/farming. If they remove it, there is undoubtedly a cover up and all farmers are pedos. Such conspiracy.

lol, absolutely false. The number of arrests made under Trump is less than the prevoius year (when the all time high number of arrests was made).

Nice outsourced graphic. Probably based on magapill.com, which was double counting arrests and including arrests from every country on earth in its count.

Here are the real figures, with sources, from ICE.

Human trafficking arrests peaked under Obama in 2016, and have dipped by 18% in 2017 under Trump.

1,952 arrests with 631 convictions in 2016 (highest figures ever), 1,602 arrests and 578 convictions in 2017.

2016: https://www.ice.gov/features/human-trafficking

2017: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-working-end-human-trafficking/

Well said.

"They showed it to us" What was shown? I've heard there were bodies and condoms and whatnot, but all anyone has seen pics of is homeless people trash... If there's evidence of the claims that this is a child sex cult or whatever then make with the proof. If you can't because you don't have any then shut the fuck up already.

Interesting how the same keyboard detectives that believe in this are the same ones who believe Q is a real thing and not just a fucking LARP joke.

magaimg. LOL

wow

BE WARNED TRUMP IS NOT THE GOOD GUY HERE, HE IS PART OF IT, MAR A LAGO IS A TRAFFICKING SITE.

Interesting, I have yet to hear Trump's name come up in regard to this story. Do you have a source where I can read more about Mar a lago being a trafficking site?

Since the person I responded to's post was removed for calling me a shill, I'll add my explanation here:

Check these videos out if you doubt the effort people go through to find places to live.

In this video homeless people were punching holes through concrete and steel highways and carving out spaces to live, then carrying heavy furniture through the holes to live in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1_C7l7iAI4

In this video homeless people were dragging furniture, water tanks, bedding, and other heavy to carry stuff miles into storm drains: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VLQkdq74kk

These types of homeless encampments are the norm, not the exception. I think the problem is you, having never been exposed to this world before, equate "homeless encampment" with tents in the wilderness, and thus anything more warrants extensive forensic investigation because some random guy said its a child sex trafficking ring. That's simply not true.

What are the other reasons to get out of south Texas?

Prove that mar a lago is a trafficking site

It would mean that shutting down the border is itself a ruse that won’t actually stop trafficking, and I don’t see why there would be so much money being spent opposing it with media initiatives

You just made my point.

You need to live ina very warped up world where being a ex Navy Seal means you are a paid actor or somehting like that.

He's a shill. Reddit is one big shill echochamber...I come here just to play whack a mole.

LoL I think we're on to something

Interesting. Do you think maybe Donald Trump is ordering them to cover this up, and that's why he pardoned Arpaio, to have this leverage? Could this be where he's done with all those missing kids?

The way the votes are going here, this forum is done, infiltrated. A small locked entry, that only children could fit through is discounted. Small and low arm ties are skipped over. These people are sick.

Because it goes against their sub-reddit rules you goddamn retard. I'm sorry but the board for Donald Trump Support is not the board to report pedophiles. Perhaps you should look in /r/news or /r/politics (lmfao)

The mere idea that the_donald subreddit is blocking pedophile rape camp posts because they are in favor of it is the highest level of retardation one can think of.

Fuck. Got as far as the rape trees, couldn't keep watching. I am numb with rage.

It's a good thing these (fucking awesome) dudes found them instead of someone like me. They're being all professional, whereas I'm pretty sure I would have just set up a little nest and just starting taking out anyone who showed up.

What the fuck is wrong with people.

He's not even Craig Sawyer, it's weird the person you replied to claimed it. All you have to do to see this is go to his Youtube-channel (just write Craig Sawyer on Youtube). Totally different guy. I don't know who the guy in that linked video is but he's younger, skinnier, has different facial hair and facial features (Sawyer has dark brown hair and is greying, this guy is ginger), higher voice, etc. Sawyer also seems to be a pretty calm guy and just uploaded a video update, and speaks in a very calm and concise manner.

This isn't even one of those cases where it's ambigious and people just try to "defend" someone, this is legit not him and I doubt he's even supposed to be and the person just made a mistake in thinking it's him. I didn't see any indication the guy in that video was meant to be Sawyer.

Trump might be a douche, maybe even a perv....but your purposely trying to connect something that has nothing to do with him and making things up.

This is why he won the election...one group consistently accuses the other of something they are guilty of...if anything, this will lead back to the Clintons, per usual.

What I don't understand is why they didn't just have guys sit quietly and observe the site, wait for the people who use the camp to show up and confront them with your crew. Catch them in the act. They supposedly found this currently used site and just ran in and fucked up an opportunity to catch the perpetrators red handed?

Exactly why they didn't want to hand it over to police....they knew that they would cover it up and they did.

THIS IS A CONSPIRACY SUBREDDIT YOU DUMMY. lmfao..this one is stupid.

Not even 1% as stupid as those people at the camp making up stuff about child trafficking.

These people are not professionals at anything except meth likely.