If I'm a shill when do i get my paycheck, I think you are the shill and you are getting paid to foster paranoia.

Watch the patriot in the towers own video

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1420872158059693&id=1415347948612114&_rdr

he starts going through the whole 5 stages of grief when confronted about facts on how the cell got built he went into the denial stage and says on the video "well im not an expert on child trafficking"

the day before he's on facebook streaming making a call to arms for patriots to patrol hwy 19 for any suspicious trucks. These paranoia operations people are getting paid to incite are fucking up innocent peoples lives. I hope your pieces of silver are worth it

hello pot meet kettle

You're both being a couple of idiots in this particular comment thread.

Just my two cents.

It takes time to move kids/ make arrangements. You might have a kid before you have a buyer. Its my answer to the question you asked and by no means am I correct. Considering I dont have first hand knowledge of the camp or the operations of pedophile rings. If you thought you found a pedophile camp you would be worked up also unless you are indifferent to that type of activities. Doesn't mean an assumption is correct just that you probably would be worked up if it was your first thought in the scenario. They went out looking for Homeless vets, The work their group does with the abused most likely was the reason they made the conclusion that they did. Can I ask why your so against the idea? I look at the camp from the two news reports done by the reporters sent out there and I can see it doesn't look like what i would perceive as normal. Im not homeless in Arizona so Im not an expert. Unfortunately it doesn't pass the eyeball test of a run of the mill camp. The eyeball test is not scientific, I cant argue that. One last thing is wouldnt Seals have an idea of what a spider hole/cell look like compared to a normal base camp. If that tire tunnel isnt a cell then is it a root cellar with bad accessibility because an adult isnt crawling through it.

Don’t worry brother, us authentic users know exactly which thread you are referring to. And yes it’s real fucking obvious. Make note of the accounts in that thread

No, fellow conspirators. Heavy downvotes mean you are wrongthink.

It sure is

Won't lie, I find your account and post history a red flag.

Never mind your constant opinion of others.

LOL okay sure

I saw the pictures & videos. They can never take that from me. Just like the Vegas FF

It's sort of a boy who cried wolf situation. Many on this sub have been pushing Pizzagate for over a year now with no direct evidence of any victims being harmed. As a result, people are rightfully skeptical of claims of child sex rings. There's also no direct evidence of children being hurt here either, yet you're insinuating that it's suspicious that not everyone immediately jumps on board with believing this.

Also when you unironically use words like "normie" it makes it even harder for people to take you seriously.

And thats just a sample of the various things that have made people suspicious.

Okay you said a lot about things that are apparently 'suspicious' to you, but you still haven't provided any actual evidence that any children have been harmed by anyone. And until you do, there's nothing wrong with people being skeptical, or in your words 'suspicious' about investing belief in these claims.

Who is mocking you?  I explained to you a possible reason why this story is not receiving the type of positive reception you anticipated.  

I would argue that you're the one mocking others, as you copied and pasted several other people's posts from another thread in an apparent attempt to highlight their ignorance..

lol when he goes for the slam dunk.

killing the comment game.

pizza gates real tho. Even if its not Hillary or any politician you can name. Google how many political rings throughout history have been busted for child rape. Its not a real secret that people in those sorts of positions have been known for such things. Assuming it's not happening is ignorant.

Read the Podesta emails. Check out his art choice for his home. Why does he have children's toys next to his bed yet has no kids/grandkids? Why does he worry so much whether he will play dominos better on pizza vs pasta? C'mon, man. Read up!

It was actually cheese vs pasta and that was Podesta's friend Herb Sandler who wrote that particular email. Maybe you should read up too.

Regardless, it doesn't matter. What Podesta does in his private life doesn't concern me. Lots of neckbeards collect children's toys like comic books and action figures. That doesn't mean that they are child rapists. Show me the real evidence. Just one victim coming forward and saying they were harmed and I'll pay attention. Until then, nah.

Victims have come forward. Just watched an old Oprah episode yesterday covering this. Dr. Phil has done an episode on the elite pedo ring. There was the woman who came out and wrote a book about the abuse she endured at the hands of Hillary. Don't tell me there is nothing there.

There was the woman who came out and wrote a book about the abuse she endured at the hands of Hillary.

Well can you provide the name of the book and author, maybe even a link? You're saying there is a person out there whole published something where she details

Abuse endured at the hands of Hilary

and somehow this "credible" account has gone unnoticed by the entire right wing media? Also what was the "abuse"?

You say victims have come forward yet you make no direct links between these victims and Hillary or podesta.

Dr. Phil has done an episode on the elite pedo ring

Just because there have been and are pedo rings out there doesn't mean Podesta or Hilary are involved with it. That Dr. Phil line in no way supports any claims about pizzagate.

...I didn't provide links because I'm on mobile, friend. But if you're actually interested I'll look?

Her name is Cathy O'Brien. Here is a youtube link to her story: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FvEBmEo4IA0

Also, the woman in the Dr. Phil episode definitely made direct claims that she was molested from a baby on thru much of her life by names we would recognize: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XPugTAuQqB0

Also related to this, way back in the day, Oprah had a woman on who explained she was member of a family that practiced satanic ritual abuse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImoZv1rprc0

Check these out if you are interested, these reports/accounts go far back. This isn't 'new', nothing is new under the sun. We are just being made aware.

Does this prove pizzagate? Not sure, but something is going on. But, if you would ever consider the reason it's called pizzagate you'd realize it has zero to do with a pizza parlor. Pizza is the word recognized by FBI as the term pedos use in reference to child porn.

(CH)eese (P)izza (Ch)ild (P)orn

Pizza is the word recognized by the FBI as the term pedos use in reference to child porn? I'm gonna need a source on that because I'm 95 percent positive that isn't true.

Out of all my links, that's what you choose to attack? Guess I did a good job, or you ignored the rest, idk.

I looked around and I'm on shit mobile, all I could find was a wiki to the symbols. None are pizza, but it's known on 4chan and around the net that 'cheese pizza' is a slang term for child porn. https://wikileaks.org/wiki/FBI_pedophile_symbols

So when you said pizza is the word recognized by the FBI as the term pedos use in reference to child porn, that wasn't true?

I'm sure you'll want to go back and correct yourself, right?

"and by the FBI, I mean 4chan"

fuckin' LOL

Why are you so upset that I was wrong? I admitted I couldn't find it, but I'm also on a slow ass phone, too. Sure, I could be wrong. But because I'm wrong about a few aspects does not mean something isn't occurring. You seem a bit hostile. hands you a snickers

Because that's one of the many pizzagate lies that's been spread over and over and over and people have corrected it again and again and again, yet people still make the claim.

At least I can admit I was wrong without getting upset.

This doesn't change my opinion that there are elites involved with human trafficking and/or pedophilia. I posted some info and there is a whole lot more available if you look regarding this.

This document is from the FBI, which is supposedly part of the "deep state" that's part of all this nonsense. So now we're supposed to trust the FBI?

I don't know who this 'we' is you speak of. I think for myself and find that, why yes, there are still elements of the FBI that are reputable and trustworthy. Don't lump me in, that's not fair, nor is it using critical thinking.

“Elements” except the ones Daddy Trump doesn’t like.

You should work on your reading comprehension, or, you're just extremely judgemental. In either case, I'm done here.

No, it’s pretty easy to spot the delusion and deep credulity here. Any gaps between daddy trump’s statements and reality can just be speckled over with some conspiracy paste.

😂😂😂

You really showed me.

I did. I gave you info to chew on and mull over. I conceded where I was mistaken. Maybe I showed you something you haven't seen before? Maybe you never even looked? I don't know. You asked for info and, with my limited capabilities thru a phone, I tried to show you a small snapshot of what I've seen. If you don't want to look, that's okay. Idc. You can judge me poorly if you wish, idc either.

Yeah, you showed nothing.

I feel badly for you.

Back to the Trump alibi army, cadet.

Actually, I'm pretty sure it was called pizzagate specifically because it had to do with a pizza parlor, namely Comet Ping Pong. And yet, after 1.5 or so years pizzagate "researchers" still have nothing tangible to show for it besides the leftover pizzagate t-shirts they were peddling. Although there's no universal consensus on the scope of what pizzagate refers to, it certainly started with Comet Ping Pong and I believe when that went nowhere, people started expanding the term to high profile pedophiles in general like Saville or Epstein to lend it legitimacy since no one can deny that they exist, unlike the Comet Ping Pong debacle.

You can't compare pizzagate to this Tucson stuff, I still haven't seen anywhere near the shit pizzagate had

It's sort of a 'boy who cried wolf' situation. Many on this sub have been pushing Pizzagate for over a year now with no direct evidence of any victims being harmed.

Another excellent post.

This thread has reinvigorated my hope for this sub.

I noticed a common pattern. It seems that if you look at the history of those that shill for the establishment, official narrative and such, I keep seeing a lot of posts to r/NBA. I'm not sure what that means, it's just a pattern I noticed.

A lot of accounts were probably bought. I came to reddit originally for NBA discussion. I imagine around the time Lebron took his talents to South Beach a ton of new accounts were made on reddit.RealGM, the other main NBA forum is a little more moderated so Reddit was a real easy alternative.

While I agree that many accounts are bought, the ones I noticed over the last several month were currently active on a NBA sub. Like they just take a break from NBA to do some shilling.

Ohhh I get you. Basketball is very cliquish and it’s for younger people, the culture anyway. Could just be a lot of them are sleepy :-/

How popular is the NBA with your fellow Israel Defense Force members?

I couldn’t even find a comment on r/nba in his post history

Removed. Rule 10

Question why is that considered a personal attack when repeatedly calling people shills / accusing them of brigading is tolerated?

This is the post in question https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8orglp/someone_just_swatted_david_hogg/e0674fy/

I am trying to understand the rules and how they are applied.

Noticed that too. Or some geographic area like r/Chicago. I think it's to make the account seem more genuine. It's usually a sport, music, or city. That's exactly right.

Is this sarcasm? You basically just said they usually a hobby.

Hey--if someone's determined to believe that a subreddit is full of shills, they HAVE to figure out some commonality. And you know, only shills have hobbies OTHER than sitting and posting forever in conspiracy.

Oh, so they like sports and live in a geographic area. There could only be what, like 5-10 people that fit that description?

That and NFL

They pick the most basic of hobbies and spew vitriol. So they just seem like everyday normal white idiots with American hobbies and enjoy apple pie like the rest of us red blooded Americans.

It's such a farce.

Yeah we’re all paid by Soros to ask you for evidence. That’s the master plan.

Your a top minds poster and a great Awakening poster.

Dawg, you're about as compromised as they get.

Whatever helps you avoid providing evidence.

What evidence? That oftentimes forum sliders have innocuous accounts that post in sports subs and conspiracy subs. Just look through histories dawg.

Very few people on the planet enjoy sports, I think you've cracked the case dawg.

If you've got nothing to say, you're more than welcome to stop commenting. Have a good one.

Sure, thanks for all the evidence dawg.

I've went through your history and how you speak to other conspiracy theorist. I'm good, I tend to hope the people I argue with's critical thinking goes beyond the second search page of Google.

You're too sure of yourself for a civilized discussion, so have a great day attacking forum users lol.

So I'm sure you saw everyone else telling me that asking for evidence is trolling. I tend to hope the people pushing wild stories have some evidence of it dawg.

No, I would not say asking for evidence is trolling, but I've seen you ask for evidence of the existence of God. You just seem more like you're interested in arguing with people you view as beneath you intellectually, and I just honestly don't want to play that game with you.

I know how this kinda works, I'll send you something and you'll scan it until you find a quotable sentence. Then you'll say the whole thing is fake because of that one error, or the person is disinfo because of it.

It's just not worth it, unless the other party is actually interested in figuring out the issue. You clearly are not, especially how you've taken the way I said 'Dawg' and attempted to throw it back into my face.

So, maybe if you calm down and come back later I could show you some evidence of vote manipulation and forum sliding from both sides of the aisle. However, I'm not interested continuing this right now, so throw as many dawgs as you want, call me whatever. I'm good.

Sports in general actually, not just the NBA.

My personal theory is that it is Chinese shill factories. And as u/Drake02 was saying they are trying to look like good old americans by being active in american sports subs..

Well, I'm not 'active' in sports subs but I do post on a rare occasion.

I hate this rule though

1. Conspiracy theories

Leave it in the comments section or in /r/conspiracy.

also noticed that, fucking weird. Accounts have been dormant for some time leading up to these events as well.

Sold/hacked accounts?

You should realize the amount of shills and trolls are high. I dont know why a homeless person needs hair dye and shackles attached to tree's. The spider hole only a child would fit into also doesn't make sence to me. Its not like its for defense against other homeless if you were a drug mule and I wanted to rob you Id look in the tire for your drugs, so its not a good hiding spot. Pizzagate has alot of people ready to blow off any mention of pedophilia. Pedophiles have a support network or they wouldn't be so successful. Ive found as soon as you mention pedophile people lose intrest or automatically try to discredit the story. In my opinion after watching the videos by the Vets and News crew's it isnt hard to think that yeah its not just a homeless camp. The mere mention of the Rothchild's or Clinton Foundation makes people also dismissive. Reddit lives off of the idea that its a place of free thought and controlled by the users when there is plenty of corporate money involved. Its full of shills, trolls and people who think that they are more important than what they really are. Shadowbanning and astroturfing are just a reality of reddit. I dont think its just a homeless camp and I dont think its for drug running either. That said its going to be hard to prove to people its a pedophile camp.

You should realize the amount of shills and trolls are high.

yeah man you are under attack from teh evil bad dudes

they totally care about a reddit sub

do you not know what a troll or shill is?

A person who you disagree with?

Thanks for confirming you don't know. Makes your posts much easier to comprehend.

A troll in this context is someone that makes it their duty to go against common sense to stir up an argument. Their goal is to ruin discussion and make people upset.

A shill would be someone whose job it is (as in they get a pay check) to do the same thing as the above.

So, when you said, "they totally care about a reddit sub" you came off extremely foolish and niave. There actually are trolls and shills who do care about a reddit sub. For some its literally their job to care about it

Yep, so 'trolls' and 'shills' are people you disagree with.

Not what I said, but seeing your recent comments it is clear that you only pay attention to what you want and have trouble taking in the whole picture. So not surprised thats how you read comments

Go against “common sense” by asking you for evidence?

A flat-earth troll will ask for evidence of a globe-earth, so yes trolls will do that

Gotcha, so judges and juries are really just trolls because they want evidence.

we are talking about online reddit posts...

Gotcha, so nobody is allowed to ask for any evidence. We can only go on speculation. That must be why people are attacking the police with such certainty.

What? Youre making up your own story line now

The threads saying the police are in on it are out there. Don’t ask me for evidence though, that would be trolling.

dont have a discussion with me about what other people are saying

Wow, suddenly we’re not allowed to discuss ditchgate or campgate or whatever it is.

There’s definitely something going on, and that’s you all insisting on a narrative with extremely flimsy evidence.

Eh it works both ways. You'll often see misleading comments suggesting a single officer was sent or it happened 3 days later. Meanwhile Tusconpolice state officers, detectives, and command staff were all there on the 29th when contacted.

Both sides push a story and truth is often in the middle,

Officers investigated the camp when it was reported May 29, Bay said. That investigation included officers, detectives, and command staff inspecting the site, speaking to those who reported it, and collecting evidence.

No offensem but you need to get more informed on the topic.

Where do I say that? Where does info from the vets contradict the police info.

The claims contradict your title, stating 1 police officer 3 days later. Yes, you are misinformed.

Hmmm, I personaly wouldn't call proof they sent just one police officer 3 days later, but you do you.

No point in arguing here, this sub became fully cucked months ago

Removed Rule 5

It's become so painfully obvious.

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Most people/MSM still blame Russia instead of the DNC for losing the election.

Which has no valid reason for being a comment in this thread, IMO. But go on with your bad thedonald self.

Jesus Christ, stop with the persecution complex. People asking you for evidence of your assertions are not silencing you. They are literally asking you to provide the evidence, asking you to not be silent but to speak on what you have and you can't provide anything substantial.

The whole fucking point is supposed to be skepticism, not blind faith in the face of no evidence.

You know how child sex trafficking is typically busted? Discovery of victims. You know what is completely lacking from pizzagate and this Tuscon bullshit? Any victims whatsoever.

You know what this looks like? A psyop to distract the conspiracy community from the fucked up shit we know our government is currently doing to immigrant children. The federal government is literally setting up the perfect fucking conditions for child trafficking, with actual fucking children, and this just looks like a very desperate attempt to distract.

Concern troll alert, all systems engaged

Oops, we accidentally expected reasonable evidence. Everyone evacuate.

but rothschild!

Surely there's no harm in a very thorough investigation, right?

Actually, there damn sure IS harm in a "very thorough investigation". Because there aren't resources to do that with EVERY claim in existence.

That's why police -do- make judgment calls on what they investigate seriously.

It'd be nice if the conspiracy community did the same any more.

You know, you'd have a point if what you're saying was actually true. They sure as hell don't seem to mind wasting their, oh so precious, resources on investigating and prosecuting people over trivial offenses, like non-violent drug distribution networks for instance.

But nah, you're right, it's more important for Arizona state and local PD to focus on catching kids moving pounds of weed across the state. Best not to waste any time thoroughly looking into something that actually has serious implications.

Nobody said that. I'm sure we'd all agree that focusing law enforcement dollars away from people smoking pot would be a good thing, but just because money is being misspent in one place doesn't mean it should be misspent elsewhere.

What did nobody say?

I think you're missing the significance of the fact that the money is already going to be misspent. Why does it matter if local LE follow a wild goose chase? I'm sure they're used to it

Jesus Christ, stop with the persecution complex.

I like this guy.

This is a late comment, but notice how all the anti-Israel posts disappeared overnight after this happened.

It's a community infiltrated by shills, and when the corporate media goes full tilt boogies in lockstep to cover something up, you will always see that wave of shit wash up on our shores.

Well, it's good to know that your mind is so made up that it will "never" be changed by anything, including evidence or the lack thereof.

I never said my mind couldn't be changed....jsut not by these obvious shill brigades.

I honestly reckon these dumbasses have overdone it the past year or so...its so fucking ridiculously obvious now, whereas when I was new to this whole mindset and way of thinking there were times where I could be swayed easier when it was lower key. Now you legit got people with putin in their names demeaning and demanding hard evidence the very day a potential child related crime is speculated about on a conspiracy forum. Genuine partisan fools aside I wish the most wicked of fates on these scum

Indeed. They are hiding in plain sight.

You guys find it that unbelievable that a coverup relating to child Trafficking may occur in a city where the Mayor is LITERALLY a fucking ROTHSCHILD?

Any evidence to back this up? Not every person who shares the last name Rothschild are part of that fucking family.

The Yankees pitching coach is not part of global conspiracy of elitist bankers. (Shit, at least I dont think he is)

From a different thread yesterday, no relation besides name, his mom ran a used furniture store.

You made the accusation, u/Bmdubd. Burden of proof is on the accuser. Please continue.

Please, everybody knows what you meant by that.

Blah blah, it's useless to try and act so fucking angry to gain credit for your bullshit. People see through your shit, dude.

You’re the one freaking out, sport.

In what way did you source anything at all? You cannot just make a random claim with no proof at all, and then tell someone else they need proof to claim your accusation is baseless without any proof....

wow you are really something special

Rothschild is a quite common name and no one attacked you. You simply made a statement with absolutely zero proof or evidence and you want us to believe you, some random guy on the internet that thinks every Rothschild in the world is part of one family? Thats ridiculous and absurd and insults everyone's intelligence that you expect us to take you on your word for it.

And then you use people questioning your terrible logic as proof of the opposition. That is a terrible way to try to prove someone of something.

Lets look at this.

Me: Sarah Huckabee Sanders is a socialist being related to Bernie Sanders. You: Yeah right, how do you know shes even related to him? Me: Her last name is Sanders, she is related to Bernie Sanders. Prove to me that she is not related. You: Thats absurd, people have the same last names that are not related to each other. Me: You must be a shill!! The fact you even question me proves that!!!!!

The person making the assertion has the burden of proof. Quit your bullshit.

fear not, they can only buy a small fraction of people, there are more of us than them, upvote!

Mayor is LITERALLY a fucking ROTHSCHILD?

One would think they would be able to have a more hidden secure place to abuse people then.

That's not how hiding abuse works. These perverts travel in packs and cover for each other at every level. Remember that Weinstein abuser who was about to be "prosecuted" by NY AG Schneiderman? Oh, wouldn't you know it turns out that Shneiderman was a sadistic abuser too?!? GEE, DO YOU THINK THE FIX WAS IN FOR WEINSTEIN?

If anything, it's riskier to commit your crimes in jurisdictions where the police and prosecutors don't have your back...

When you and your criminal friends own the levers of power from police to prosecutors to Attorney Generals to mayors, you don't have to be particularly subtle about your actions.

Which is why they rape kids in a grimey camp on the side of a highway instead of a hotel or the privacy of their home? Your assertion points actually supports the argument you are trying to refute.

It's more than likely trafficking rather than rape.

I love how this shit always comes back to the rothschilds with these people

weird huh

Its off topic from the more serious issue. The police weren’t on scene till 3 days after the news report. All the posters trying to say is that it is basically weird that this is happing in a town with a Mayor with the last name of Rothschild

So do you suppose that the Tucson PD is complicit in child sex trafficking?

It wouldn’t surprise me and makes sense when you look at the evidence. I saw a video with the camera crew going through and there is clear evidence of child sex trafficking.

The fact that there’s basically no investigation going on, at least that the public is being informed about, and the police have come out to basically say “your all crazy it’s just a homeless camp” uhhhh just smells fishy

We live on a farm dude

No you didn't. You watched a video where a guy keeps saying over and over that there is clear evidence but never shows or presents any of it.

No I watch a video with news reporters go through and there is clear evidence of something other than a “homeless” camp there

such as....

Such as restraints on trees, cages, a crib

I mean I watched the video once but I’m sure I could go through and get every little detail as to why it is but come on, a crib at a homeless camp? Maybe one of them had a baby okay I understand, but restraints and cages. Watch the videos

Yeah, if you’ve ever been camping you might see that people tie all kinds of shit to trees. Calling them “restraints” doesn’t make it so. There’s also the matter of all the evidence the “trusted patriots” claim to have seen but can’t produce. And of course the fact that by handling any evidence they’ve tainted it and made it useless.

I know but dident it also take the police like 3 days to go to the site after.

And isent it weird that they immediately after just say it’s a homeless camp and there’s no possibility that it could be something else

After seeing no evidence of a crime they probably don’t give a shit what it is. And they probably see a lot more homeless encampments than most people.

It's not a matter of what the police say. It's that the people who are saying they have evidence have yet to show any, and the thing just looks like a homeless camp. False claims of child trafficking hurt real claims, like the boy that cried chickenhawk.

If there were "hard evidence", it wouldn't be considered a "conspiracy," it would be considered a fact. If there were "hard evidence," the speculation wouldn't be in a subreddit called fucking "conspiracy." All conspiracies are based on circumstantial evidence - hence why people develop conspiracy "theories"! The shills are trying so hard to discredit "theories" because they're not "facts", but the FACT is that no one is claiming these are facts, just theories based on circumstantial evidence. You have people on this sub claiming the earth is flat and so-and-so is a lizard person and yet the shills don't downvote them to all hell, yet they downvote legitimate circumstantial evidence about Pizzagate or Tucson?! It's so painfully obvious that they're pushing a "Nothing to see here, move on" agenda. You don't go on a conspiracy subreddit demanding a burden of proof. That belies the entire concept of c o n s p i r a c y t h e o r i e s.

Look up the meaning of the word conspiracy you clearly do not understand the basics here.

I see what you're saying, and I agree with it. But I think some people who are denying this theory aren't doing it because they're shills, they're doing it because they aren't jumping to any conclusions all fast. Any person who abuses kids or sells em off are pieces of shit's, I think we can all agree on that. But it's stuff like this that is just, weird and odd. If you think about it, if the group of people that stumbled upon this place actively searches for homeless vets everyday, and actually finds them, then I wouldn't be too surprised if it is some sort of homeless camp. Maybe it's neither of those things, and it gets much deeper than we thought. If there's another possible explanation, then I don't see any harm in suggesting it. As serious as the situation is, I think it's smart as conspiracy theorists that we take a step back and try and see the bigger picture with anything that happens in the world.

At the same time, it does NOT behoove the conspiracy world to assume ANYTHING is possible. Sometimes things -actually are- what they appear to be.

We've moved into this (IMO) ridiculous area where people immediately refute ANYTHING the police and/or MSM say--simply because that's what they said. Rather than attempting to actually contemplate the matter and then decide. We're also in a place where people are so determined to believe that (x) is possible that everywhere they look, they see evidence of (x)--even when sometimes there legitimately IS no (x) there.

It's a real problem. Not everything is a conspiracy. Not every conspiracy should be given equal likelihood/weight. Not every theory should be considered 'possible' because doing otherwise is 'shutting people down'. Once upon a time, theories required at least -some- valid evidence before they were considered seriously. I think we ought to seriously consider returning to that.

"Valid" evidence is subjectively interpreted when the evidence is circumstantial - and circumstantial evidence is the foundation of conspiracy theory - ergo it would be pointless to call for more of what you or someone else determines to be "valid" evidence. Now, that's not to say that you can't draw your own conclusions and dismiss something as unlikely, you're well within your rights to do that. I also encourage critical discourse and dissent. But trying to put subjective labels of "valid" or "invalid" on unquantifiable things like circumstantial evidence contradicts the nature of conspiracy theory in general. We are all just throwing things out there, making observations, guesses, sometimes stringing things together. Sometimes we criticize another's observation, point out flaws. That's fine. But when you say "that evidence is only circumstantial" it's absurd because ALL the evidence on this sub is circumstantial.

Very well said

Oh, let me be clear: I have no problem at all with someone who doesn't believe in/support this theory/come to the same conclusion. I also welcome constructive discussion and critical thinking, or anything you're suggesting, of course. What I don't approve of, though, is seeing a bunch of know-it-alls gang up and outright denounce something as impossible just because there is no "hard evidence". It really defeats the whole exploratory concept of this sub, and that's why it irks me so much.

People are demanding hard evidence because these guys are straight up calling it a human trafficking camp. Specifically for children. And they've actually gone out and filmed the areas and only show things like straps tied to a tree, or baby cribs and all that. I've seen homeless people use strollers to hold their belongings while walking down the street. So it's not crazy to assume homeless people kept those items. If you take all these people out of the picture, and imagine your friends found this camp one day. And they went up to you the next day and told you that the camp was used for abusing and selling children. And they provided the evidence that was aired in the news reports, wouldn't you still want some hard evidence that this camp was actually used for that?

I have addressed this at least twice in replies: the pointlessness of calling for so-called "valid" evidence on this particular sub that is devoted to conspiracy theories. What you consider "valid evidence" could be vastly different from what Joe Schmoe considers "valid evidence." All theories on this sub are entirely based on circumstantial evidence and mere observations made by others.

Eh, I was going to type this long paragraph, but I forgot that's why I avoid having these sort of discussions. But I'll answer my own scenario given in my last reply. If my friends came up to me and said they found this camp, and said that it was used to traffic children, I'd ask for some better evidence than what was provided. Simply because it's a weird conclusion to come to just based off that. And it's not enough to allude to the idea. It is weird, no doubt.

Well, I understand why this set of evidence doesn't provide you with enough to form your own similar conclusion. And I respect that. I also don't blame you for asking for more evidence because I think we are all always looking for more evidence (whether it winds up being helpful or not is up to the individual). For me, I interpret the evidence given as making it possible that it could be a trafficking site. Do I have 100% confidence? No, because this is just a theory. But signs that we have seen, IMO, make it a certain possibility. The fact that this compound exists and a group of people who regularly deal with homeless folks yet found this site to be weird is enough to make me very curious about the whole thing.

The only thing that matters is what the law calls valid evidence. And there isn’t any.

I haven’t seen anyone saying it’s impossible. I’ve seen people asking for evidence and truthers losing their shot over it.

your not a true part of the community if you agree with the polees 🤔

I sense a lot of snakes

The point is that MSM has been shown to have an agenda. They have sponsors that probably dont want to go through another pizza gate. I find it a little more mysterious that Info Wars has decided to make Bernie Sanders their topic of discussion over the last few days. Screw you for thedonald reference but that has become the new "racist". Something you throw in for a quick jab but has no real meaning.

So listen, the global child sex trafficking conspiracy is my favorite conspiracy. At the very least its entertaining fiction. I think there is a lot of evidence to collaborate it, or at least make people doubt. Ronan Farrow the journalist that broke the Harvey Weinstein story reported about the extensive efforts Weinstein went to in order to silence and cover up the woman who were talking, including threats from that really creepy Israeli Private Intelligence Agency. Ronan Farrow in an interview on Fresh Air talked briefly about child sex trafficking in Hollywood being something he was looking into.

That doesn't really mean anything exactly, but my point is that this conspiracy is something to take seriously and something that intelligent people have taken seriously. Its creepy and there is a lot of evidence to it.

That said, I think this Tuscon thing is a little nutty right. Similar to the Pizzagate nonsense. There is no evidence except videos of some Militia guy saying he found a ledger and a bunch of evidence. The ledger has not been shared with the internet as far as I know, and the stuff that has been shared just looks like a homeless camp. This is stupid and not convincing.

I have been following this story since it broke and have been on many threads...I noticed that several of the same people are attacking anyone expressing interest in it. It truly is disgusting!!! Thank you for keeping the info out there.

By “attacking” do you mean asking for evidence?

This IS a conspiracy site. Aren't we supposed to investigate ALL angles of any given situation????

If there's no proof, there's no proof. Occams razor, right? However, the one thing about this particular happening that gets me, is a lot of people's hinky meters are going off regardless of proof. Something is REALLY wrong with that camp but just don't know what it is yet.

On a CONSPIRACY site, we are here to examine if there is a conspiracy. Those trashing others for asking questions or bringing up concerns- that's not cool.

How we learn & grow is by communication. We really don't need the conspiracy police monitoring our concerns or questions and attacking a member for voicing them. Good grief.

These pedo witch hunts that are blown out of proportion and based on the flimsiest hearsay are having the exact opposite effect you intend.

Real child sex crimes are going to get swept under the rug if you continue to attach the delusion conspiracy theorist stigma to them.

This is just the latest version of the “satanic panic” from the 80s.

He owns so many businesses. Here is a screenshot of them.

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Personal? it's a public information. You can search it on bizapedia

/r/conspiracy is now a "mainstream sub-reddit" AKA there are a lot of "new" truth seekers that roll through here and also long time professional "skeptics" that like to use various alts to de-rail discussion.

In all honesty, with the few hours of research I did into it today, most people ARE supportive and encouraging the veterans.

I personally have been following Sawman for a year or so and am so glad to see his team there covering this. It will bring more awareness to the issue, and it has. All we can do is keep supporting these guys and bringing further awareness and eyes on it.

There are actually a lot of people supporting the veterans and this is being talked about in various places. All we can do is keep spreading the word and not let trolls derail us.

I don’t think you know what a skeptic is.

The amount of people jumping to comment on this topic to say it's fake, an attention-grab, or not worth paying attention to is STAGGERING and extremely suspicious. On a sub that takes a fair shake at everything from the Sphinx to JFK to 9/11 theories, it's pretty curious that this--THIS--of all things is getting jammed with comments on how ridiculous or not-worth-while it is.

So where’s the evidence?

It’s bots and paid downvoters

Hey man! I'm neither.

Can anyone provide one shred of evidence for this thing?

How was there not evidence..there is video

...of a guy saying he saw evidence.

He is NOT a Rothschild. Jesus Christ. How many times do people have to explain this to you all ?? Just because his last name happens to be Rothschild DOES NOT MEAN he has any relations to the OTHER Rothschilds. None. His mom owned a furniture store. Like I explained in another post, in many states, you can literally give your child any last name you want. So if you are an immigrant here and want your child to have a chance, you can name them Rothschild or whatever you want.

Also, someone mentioned in one of the posts a connection to Cemex. Something along the lines of the land is partially owned by a company that Cemex owns and the Mayor is a part of a law firm that owns a whopping 11,000 shares of Cemex so they can do whatever they want on the land. 11,000 shares of Cemex is about $66,000. Out of a multi billion dollar company. Yeah, that’s a hell of a connection.

Ahhh so whenever someone tried to point out facts, you just flat out ignore them.

Got it.

Trusted vets ... I’m sorry, how exactly are they trusted ? Tell me this, what all do you know about these vets ? Since they are trusted, I’m assuming you’ve known them for decades. Grew up with them ? Served with them ? Obviously you know their family right ?

And how many of these vets are there involved in this ? A dozen maybe ? So, you believe that these vets are experts in child trafficking and sex camps right ? These vets are the ones who are right and the THOUSANDS of people in power in Tucson and throughout the state are all crooked. Because to be clear, that is exactly what you people are saying. Y’all have already stated all of Tucson PD is a part of the cover up. There are roughly 1,000 employees in the TPD, 850 police and 200 civilians. I’m guessing a couple hundred in the courts and local government. Oh and let’s not forget the hundreds in the local media. Then all the ones in the sheriffs department and then the state police. Of course, you really should extend it all the way to the top.

So yeah, I’m going to believe that instead of thousands of people being a part of this cover up, that there are a few vets who need psychiatric help.

So he should believe you over the police?

Believe the mentally ravaged veterans over their insane conspiracy theories. Yeah sure

I get what you’re trying to do. You’re trying to point out just how horrible veteran care is and what the lack of support on mental health can cause people to do.

And yet can’t provide any of the evidence.

So I want to get this clear, the majority of people here only think the evidence is circumstantial then?

Who was threatening their freedom?

What reason do we have to trust them?

And the vets are trusted because...

What I find strange as fuck is the guy that is docummenting the camp has only a few hundred views per video. Why is that...... If you actually watched his vids you would now they have units in three locations now surveiling and taking pictures. He also filmed a small section of their camp setup and it is fucking huge.

A lot of the users come from r/TopMindsOfReddit, which I believe to be a shill hub.

This is just a distraction from the Getty Center and Kate Spades "suicide."

This unfounded nonsense is a distraction from other unfounded nonsense. Solid.

I’m not making the claim that I’m correct. You are. I’m just asking for evidence.

Ask them for the evidence you don’t have?

if youre not a robot, plz reply with the safe word "John cena'

Pour on the up-votes for the OP

Hey man! I'm neither.

Blah blah, it's useless to try and act so fucking angry to gain credit for your bullshit. People see through your shit, dude.

You’re the one freaking out, sport.

So I'm sure you saw everyone else telling me that asking for evidence is trolling. I tend to hope the people pushing wild stories have some evidence of it dawg.

“Elements” except the ones Daddy Trump doesn’t like.