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Still extremely skeptical about this but I'm all for letting people investigate. Still don't see why this can't be an ordinary homeless camp and I think its very telling that I've been called no better than a child rapist and threatened for just doubting these claims. As of now, I'm going with the Tucson police department's word that they have found no evidence this was a child trafficking site. Of course, I think its great so many people are looking into this and are continuing to investigate but the purposeful spreading of fake news and threatening those skeptical is petty and instantly discredits your investigation.

>still don't see why this can't be an ordinary homeless camp

The guys reporting this specialize in homeless camps and claim out of the dozens they have been to this is very different and very sinister

So is there an international standard for homeless camps? Do they all have to follow a strict guideline? Are they all built by the same bums? Its just some shacks out in the woods with an underground compartment and cords on some trees, its only as sinister as your imagination makes it. The cops also had human trafficking experts on scene, people who actually specialize in what the veteran group guesses the camp is and the experts found no indications it was ever a site for trafficking.

You really dont belong here this is conspiracy THEORIES, meaning they do not require hard facts if there is sufficient circumstantial evidence and suspicious circumstances.

I dont see you hassling the flat earthers or lizard people enthusiasts

Conspiracy theories should still be based on the hard facts that are available, and the hard facts point AWAY from your conclusion.

The few bits of circumstantial evidence that point away from the trafficking conclusion are dwarfed by the myriad of circumstantial evidence that points to the trafficking conclusion.

Just how many "facts" are pointing to it being a homeless camp? The Tucson PD's word? Assuming they are honest (which I doubt), their response time to investigate is suspicious, and the bulldozing of property after said "investigation" is highly suspicious. You can believe that if they had even a scrap of toilet paper suggesting the faint possibility that place was a meth lab, they would be calling in the tri-state cavalry.

Aside from that Tucson PD "fact," what else points away from the trafficking theory? Yes, it could be a homeless camp, I think everyone would concede that is a possibility. But considering the veterans' familiarity with homeless camps, as well as the bizarre range of materials found (including a plethora of sexual items), yet equally bizarre lack of sleeping and warming materials that homeless people use to survive (ie cardboard, newspapers or any other kind of warming agent), the vets' impressions of the place being somehow off gives equal credence to the trafficking theory, and their footage provides circumstantial evidence in support of that theory.

So you cannot say for certain that it is a fact that this place is a homeless camp. Right now, we don't know. And we may never know since they bulldozed the place before a further investigation could be done to quell local fears. Keep that in mind --- whatever we are thinking or suspecting here on Reddit, the immediate possible threat to locals in Arizona must be horrifying to consider. These are potentially child victims, for god's sake --- that is a serious enough possibility that it merits an in-depth investigation and not just a peripheral tour of the grounds just before bulldozing the place. And maybe there really isn't anything going on (that would be wonderful!), but on the chance that there is, doesn't that possibility deserve at least a reasonable amount of investigating so that parents in Arizona can fucking sleep at night???

Literally the only "facts" pointing away from my conclusion are the Testimony of the Police.

And my evidence is the testimony of a concerned group of Veterans trying very hard to spread the word who contacted the authorities who the vets claim are covering it up.

Why dont you go join /r/Tmor

All this is right now is people imagining scenarios that could have happened at an abandoned camp out in the woods. Where's the DNA? Where are the victims? Where are the traffickers? That's all I care about and all that matters if you're trying to prove something like this.

No one is trying to "prove" anything; the people who entertain the possibility of the trafficking theory are doing just that - entertaining a possibility. We are discussing, theorizing, researching, questioning. I don't really care if people believe in this or not, but what I cannot understand are the people who take the time to actively - ironically - try to prove that there is no trafficking going on here. Maybe there is, maybe there isn't. We don't know. That's what we're trying to find out!

You really dont belong here this is conspiracy THEORIES, meaning they do not require hard facts if there is sufficient circumstantial evidence and suspicious circumstances.

That's a funny way of saying "this isn't a place for facts, basic logic, or critical thinking."

No its a correct way of saying

"Well you dont have HARD facts"

Is not an argument on this sub.

Their rarely is Hard evidence for ANY conspiracy and demanding it and mocking someone for not having it, is not ""critical thinking" its a way of shutting down legitimate discussion

Yes, believing things you have no proof or evidence for is clearly a good idea.

The guys reporting this specialize in homeless camps and claim out of the dozens they have been to this is very different and very sinister

They're also pathological liars and very blatantly mentally ill.

These are not the words of someone who belongs on /r/conspiracy

I mean, you won't take the police seriously, but you'll take a group of mentally ill people making wild claims with no actual proof ever presented?

The "vet group" in question isn't even a vet group:

http://www.kvoa.com/story/31338954/veterans-group-does-not-file-legally-required-papers

I don't think you are familiar with cases like these often being covered up

I'm familiar with more than you are. The difference between you and me is I have the ability to understand the following truth:

"Just because something has happened before does not mean they happen 100% of the time."

In the video you can literally hear the veteran say he and his group do not know which police to trust seeing as how unhelpful the Tucson police have been.

The police are more credible than any single one of those "veterans."

Let me ask you how familiar you are with cover ups regarding police departments and investigators actively covering up events just like this very one unfolding before our eyes. Do you want links? I'll happily provide links for you

One more time: Just because things have happened before does not mean they are happening now. Like this doesn't even pass phase 1 of the critical thought process.

It'd be like if I accused you of being a serial killer, and when you asked for proof, I linked you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer

And say "see, look, serial killers exist, that's proof you're a serial killer based on my accusation."

Then why are you even here? haha good god man.

Because I enjoy low-hanging fruit and exposing fallacious thought. People that make wild accusations, provide no proof for said accusations, and then fall back on the "but something like this happened before, maybe" as if that's on equal footing with evidence.

Also what are your thoughts on this link. ;)

I'm not interested in dealing with a massive gish gallop by someone that decided to write something like this:

the information contained within is of tremendous importance, for we are sitting on our very own modern holocaust, a holocaust of children. I promise that this statement is by no means an exaggeration,

If you want, you can isolate something from this argument that you believe proves some international globalist pedophile conspiracy and I'll look at it, but that massive gish gallop wall of text is another common tactic of people that suffer from serious mental problems.

So you're just gonna throw it all out the window because its a "gish gallop" and one paragraph is enough to have you put your head back in the sand.

No, I'm going to dismiss it as a gish gallop for a number of reasons.

• I know for a fact not a single thing said in that thread proves the claims you've made here.

• I know for a fact it's going to be riddled with bullshit like this:

The story never fully hit the streets, as agents grabbed the copies from newstands in the early hours of the morning.

Notice how he provides no proof for this claim? Not only does he provide no proof for this claim, the entire premise of this claim is beyond absurd. There aren't enough agents in the country to "grab all of the copies" in this fashion, it's fucking absurdist drivel.

And even worse, the guy in your link is bringing up Satanic abuse from the late 1980s. Here you go:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_ritual_abuse

The reason these absurdly stupid accusations kept popping up:

Several hundred children were then interviewed by the Children's Institute International (CII), a Los Angeles abuse therapy clinic run by Kee MacFarlane. The interviewing techniques used during investigations of the allegations were highly suggestive and invited children to pretend or speculate about supposed events.[13][14] By spring of 1984, it was claimed that 360 children had been abused.[2][8][15] Astrid Heppenstall Heger performed medical examinations and took photos of what she believed to be minute scarring, which she stated was caused by anal penetration. Journalist John Earl believed that her findings were based on unsubstantiated medical histories.[16] Later research demonstrated that the methods of questioning used on the children were extremely suggestive, leading to false accusations.[13] Others believe that the questioning itself may have led to false memory syndrome among the children who were questioned.[3][5] Ultimately only 41 of the original 360 children testified during the grand jury and pre-trial hearings, and fewer than a dozen testified during the actual trial.[17]

Videotapes of the interviews with children were reviewed by Michael Maloney, a British clinical psychologist and professor of psychiatry, as an expert witness regarding the interviewing of children. Maloney was highly critical of the interviewing techniques used, referring to them as improper, coercive, directive, problematic and adult-directed in a way that forced the children to follow a rigid script; he concluded that "many of the kids' statements in the interviews were generated by the examiner."[18] Transcripts and recordings of the interviews contained far more speech from adults than children and demonstrated that, despite the highly coercive interviewing techniques used, initially the children were resistant to interviewers' attempts to elicit disclosures. Recordings of these interviews were instrumental in the jury's refusal to convict, by demonstrating how children could be coerced to giving vivid and dramatic testimonies without having experienced the abuse.[19] The techniques used were contrary to the existing guidelines in California for the investigation of cases involving children and child witnesses.[20]

The overall point is, the ritual abuse moral panic of the 1980s was horseshit. It had no basis in reality. A decent number of people were put in prison on false accusations:

Lanning produced a monograph in 1994 on SRA aimed at child protection authorities, which contained his opinion that despite hundreds of investigations no corroboration of SRA had been found. Following this report, several convictions based on SRA allegations were overturned and the defendants released.[56]

Reported cases of SRA involve bizarre activities, some of which are impossible (like people flying),[117] that makes the credibility of victims of child sexual abuse questionable. In cases where SRA is alleged to occur, Lanning describes common dynamics of the use of fear to control multiple young victims, the presence of multiple perpetrators and strange or ritualized behaviors, though allegations of crimes such as human sacrifice and cannibalism do not seem to be true. Lanning also suggests several reasons why adult victims may make allegations of SRA, including "pathological distortion, traumatic memory, normal childhood fears and fantasies, misperception, and confusion".

I just picked 2 random lines out of that post and the person:

• lied.
• tried to cite shit that came from the ritual abuse hysteria that took place during the 80s/90s, the abuse law enforcement across the country could find no evidence for whatsoever.

http://awakeningforums.com/thread/1200/denial-blame-shifters

That's neat. If I ever decide incoherent rants on crazy internet forums are a valid replacement for academic and empirical research, I'll check it out.

how does it feel to deny reality and hard facts?

How does it feel to not know what you're talking about? How does it feel to unironically bring up ritual satanic abuse from the 80s, something that has been debunked hundreds of times by medical professionals and law enforcement?

I've yet to see you provide any hard facts for a single claim you've made here. I've seen you provide things you think are hard facts, things that you think support your arguments, but they don't.

Carl Sagan put an entire chapter in his book "the demon haunted world" on this very subject. Ritual satanic abuse hysteria is one of the best examples of faulty human thinking and how easy it is to coerce accusations out of people, accusations with no basis in reality.

A good example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurston_County_ritual_abuse_case

Psychologist Richard Ofshe claimed that Ingram, because of his long-standing and routine experiences in his church, was inadvertently hypnotized by authority figures who conducted his interrogation, although no mental health professionals were present, and that the confessions were the result of false memories being implanted with suggestion.[13] Ofshe tested this hypothesis by telling Ingram that a son and daughter had accused him of forcing them to commit incest with each other. Interrogating officers had previously accused Ingram of this, but he denied it, and also denied Ofshe's accusation. Ofshe instructed Ingram to pray on the idea, and later Ingram produced a full, detailed written confession. Questioning the daughter who was supposed to have been involved, despite many other accusations against her father, she denied that such an incident had ever occurred. Upon being told that no such accusation had been made by either his son or daughter, Ingram refused to believe the incident wasn't real, maintaining "[i]t's just as real to me as anything else".[14] Ofshe was thus convinced that Ingram's confessions were solely the result of extensive interrogation sessions and questions being applied to an unusually suggestible individual. He provided a report on his theory, but the prosecution initially refused to supply it to the defense, only doing so after being forced by the judge.[15] Ofshe later reported the incident in a scientific journal.[16]

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How can you so easily write off thousands if not tens of thousands of victims of trafficking.

No. This is called a strawman. Trafficking exists, but when people like you come along and spew conspiracy theories, ones with no basis in reality, you undermine people that are actually involved in fighting global trafficking. You make their job harder. You, with your conspiracies, are not helping anything. Repeating misinformation on the internet is not you fighting child abuse.

At this point you may as well tell me you don't believe anything bad happens ever. Good god.

And that's another strawman. Me putting out the glaring flaws in the stuff you post is not me saying nothing bad happens. You fabricated that because you're backed into a corner and were called out for failure to provide evidence.

A good example of how little you know is the "blood concrete" patent you tried to pass off as evidence for your conspiracy. Mainly, you know, because if people were murdering Children in an effort to make some type of blood concrete, they wouldn't file a public patent. You know, that right there alone is enough to dismantle your claim.

Then there's the fact "blood concrete" is an actual thing.

http://www.academia.edu/5052849/Improve_the_Properties_of_Concrete_by_Using_Blood_and_Silica_Fume

https://io9.gizmodo.com/how-the-ancient-romans-made-better-concrete-than-we-do-1672632593

The romans used to do this, it seems. That's why they have a patent for it. But you couldn't be bothered to do 5 seconds of research. You decided to pass this off as evidence for your conspiracy instead.

You're doing God's work, son! Keep it up. This whole thread is hilarious.

Its fucking amazing isn't it. LMAO The stuff people just run with next to nothing to back it up. It gets even better when you realize these nutters think Obama and Hilary are in on this too. And that Mueller's investigation is actually investigating this stuff and he's just pretending to be investigating Trump/Russia. All the satanic child selling democrats are about to be rounded up and put in Gitmo. Oh and Trump has been sent by Jeebuz to save the children and the world's gonna end soon or some shit.

How do they know all this? Because an anon on 4chan said so. smh

some random dude with a beard made a video though!!!!! its a bunch of wannabe-cowboys LARPing just like Q-Moron

You have provided no hard facts...

I'm not who you were responding to, but you may be interested in taking a closer look at false memory syndrome. Look at when it entered public consciousness, who was it's main proponent, how they promoted it, who benefitted from such a syndrome being commonly accepted to exist, who founded the group and why, who else was involved in the group and what were their backgrounds?

I'm not saying it proves anything beyond circumstantially, but false memory syndrome being invented and promoted by people accused of child rape, benefitting themselves directly, with other members of the same group had backgrounds in military intelligence... It kinda calls the whole thing into question, so you can't really just say "pfffft, the satanic panic, obviously complete bullshit" because you have to question things like false memory syndrome with it's questions, groups like The Finders with their CIA links, people like Aquino who was military intelligence specialized in psychological warfare, founder of The Temple of Set, accused of raping numerous children, some of whom accurately described the inside of his house, but he was cleared by false memory syndrome, a short time later the on base daycare they were allegedly taken from randomly burned down.

That's too much to just handwave away, and if you can call that into question the same goes for much of the remainder of your comment.

I'm not who you were responding to, but you may be interested in taking a closer look at false memory syndrome. Look at when it entered public consciousness, who was it's main proponent, how they promoted it, who benefitted from such a syndrome being commonly accepted to exist, who founded the group and why, who else was involved in the group and what were their backgrounds?

And dismissed. Your opinion is not on equal footing with academic research and expert opinion on the subject.

Lol fuck off. "I don't have an argument so I'll appeal to authority, there's no way they would cover up this thing there's a conspiracy about it being covered up."

You were dismissed, but I feel bad so I'll correct your misuse of "appeal to authority" so you don't embarrass yourself like this in the future.

an "appeal to authority" is only fallacious when said authority is not a credible expert or actual authority.

Appealing to NASA, for example, is not a fallacious appeal to authority.

Your misuse of the term is common with conspiracy theorists because they often find themselves in conflicts with actual experts on a wide range of subjects.

Rather than attempt to refute any of that (they can't) they incorrectly throw appeal to authority out when said experts are cited to dismantle their worldview.

You're not helpful. This topic is pretty important and should be to you, that is, the child sex trafficking.

And you keep looking for proof. For one, what constitutes proof to you?

The only gish gallop I see is being spouted from your mouth. There's no love in what you're doing. Please, do everybody a favor, stfu and let them have a discussion without some 'smarter than thou' moron trying to stop it.

Just stfu please.

You're not helpful. This topic is pretty important and should be to you, that is, the child sex trafficking.

This is motte and bailey dude.

http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/03/all-in-all-another-brick-in-the-motte/

What you're doing, and what most of you do, very blatantly, is you'll show up, make absurd accusations with no basis in reality, with no proof, no evidence, no anything, and then when you're challenged, you fall back to the more rational claim "human trafficking is a problem."

A good example of this in action:

The feminists who constantly argue about whether you can be a real feminist or not without believing in X, Y and Z and wanting to empower women in some very specific way, and who demand everybody support controversial policies like affirmative action or affirmative consent laws (bailey). Then when someone says they don’t really like feminism very much, they object “But feminism is just the belief that women are people!” (motte) Then once the person hastily retreats and promises he definitely didn’t mean women aren’t people, the feminists get back to demanding everyone support affirmative action because feminism, or arguing about whether you can be a feminist and wear lipstick.

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The only gish gallop I see is being spouted from your mouth. There's no love in what you're doing. Please, do everybody a favor, stfu and let them have a discussion without some 'smarter than thou' moron trying to stop it.

If you're going to repeat wild conspiracies on the internet, you had better be ready for people calling you on them.

Don't make wild claims you can't support if you don't want to be challenged.

You are logical and reasonable with this fake. He's a shill, probably paid, and we're wasting time talking to/about him. I did respond to him once, but no more. Can we get a mod over here? This guy is clearly trying to derail this thread using techniques straight out of the CIA's book. Can we get him blocked? Then we can get back to our discussion.

Yes censor the discussion

Reddit mods are all corrupt. Probably half the people in this thread and half the mods are shills.

They're also pathological liars and very blatantly mentally ill.

Source

When the police tell you nothing is going on, you refuse to accept it.

When police tell you "nothing to see here" you swallow it like their is no alternative and Police have never lied before

When unhinged loons with a documented history of being loons tells you something is going on

What is this documented history of being loons you speak of?

These are the same guys that tried to claim straps for holding structures together were "child straps."

Yeah I watched that and those straps were simply attached to a tree at child height, they were not holding anything up

child rape trees next up on r/sicksadworld!

Source

http://www.kvoa.com/story/31338954/veterans-group-does-not-file-legally-required-papers

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/fight-breaks-out-between-arizona-militants-in-oregon-standoff-7956057

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/surprise/2015/05/14/surprise-man-atop-pole-abrk/27316617/

When police tell you "nothing to see here" you swallow it like their is no alternative and Police have never lied before

No. The fact here is the police said nothing was going on and you have literally no proof that there is anything going on outside of what some mentally ill fake veterans have claimed.

What is this documented history of being loons you speak of?

See the first 3 links in this comment.

Yeah I watched that and those straps were simply attached to a tree at child height, they were not holding anything up

[citation needed]

Where are the shoes in the video and things you are claiming? Isn't digging up evidence probably not advisable, since they are contaminating all of it? How do we know they aren't planting it? Why the calls for action and mentioning of firearms and people to run security for them? Why is the media contradicting their statements, and why won't anyone address the actual investigations instead of saying that all media can't be trusted? Why try to draw connections with Cemex and Clinton, and then also bring in the Mayor of Tucson? Doesn't that sound like conjecture? Why did this initially get so much upvotes without any real evidence, and why are all the typical QAnon folks and #Maga people on social media mainly the ones circulating it?

My goal is to call a PSYOP for what it is. Expose the truth.

You may have not, but many of the threads I saw posted were trying to make a connection with the Mayor. Why can't you provide any evidence? Why is the guy in the videos that have been circulating calling for people to run security, and to come join his militia?

He even mentions having someone staged up top of a tower with a long rifle. You're not paying attention:

https://youtu.be/SAcMYzltgMM

Ridiculous leaps and bounds....

Trying to make things into something sinister....

You are so close to self awareness...it's right there in front of you.

"Conjecture" you say? On this and another thread you have said that the veterans were using meth and are delusional. You mentioned this at least ten times that I read. That is clearly conjecture on your part since no blood or hair tests have been run and I am sure you will not be the first to get the results if those tests are ever done.

Another of your themes is this is a PSYOP. Just who is running the PSYOP that you are prattling on about? Why don't you give it a rest.

Dude their mayor is a Rothschild what other evidence do you need?

Doesn't mean anything unless you have proof.

I don't think he's THAT kind of rothschild. I looked for him on their family tree and he's not there.

Nice work!

The patent for blood concrete is strange, but not that strange. There's a lot of blood available through slaughterhouses, and so industrial uses for it are attractive.

Still, how does one figure that out? I might try and figure out if there's an academic paper behind it.

I saw another post describing how concrete methods thousands of years ago were far superior to what we have today.

We still have those methods--we can reproduce Roman concrete rather easily--but it's just that ancient concrete is far, far too expensive for modern-day use. Materials are selected based on the balance between cost and sturdiness they offer; both cheap and short-lived and expensive and everlasting miss the boat.

If they used electrical power tools then it could be explained much more easily. The great pyramid of Giza is theorized to be a giant power plant emitting wireless energy to power thousands of tools throughout Egypt. Tesla was working on recovering the technology when his investors pulled out after he was trying to turn the energy market into something free of charge. Free wireless energy generated from the Earth's magnetic field. It's one of my favorite conspiracy theories. Would disprove the slave labor theory and prove that there is a massive source of energy waiting to be rediscovered.

https://youtu.be/oFMaOQgkWk8

not sure why you're being downvoted, there's plenty of clues around the pyramids to suggest that this is what Tesla was trying to replicate

Some would rather listen to other people's opinions rather than form their own.

If anyone tries to "debunk" Tesla with the inverse square law, they don't have a fucking clue what they are talking about. Tesla did not use sine wave radiation.

Whatever that did it could have possibly been the Tower dismantled by Yahweh for no reason. Yahweh likes dismantling man's grasp of nature to fundamentally better all mankind.

Honestly, if they were to continue the Old Testament to the current century, it would say "Yahweh got a significant portion of the Gentiles to work 12 hours a day even though their jobs can be automated *simply* for the sport of the Chosen Ones, who walk in at any moment pleasing them and summon Gentiles to be locked up for something they never did (or in some cases killed). Thus, while the Gentiles toiled away not a single Chosen One could be seen in an unfortunate circumstance, and entire municipalities would get back to work every time one of them uttered a sound." It's real sick that we don't need to be working but still are forced to. And that some people live purely leisurely lives of power, strolling around like Yahweh in the first pages of Genesis: cutting off people's ribs, saying a certain gender is universally treated poorly, filming, producing, and acting in the show East of Eden... It's sick

In 1994 there was published a textbook called Computing with Biological Metaphors. We can make a nucleic acid code that designs its own code. We can do whatever we want and never have to work, but they still make us.

Tim Alberino found things like that, too. Ollantaytambo in the Cusco area of Peru .

thanks TIL

If you are referring to roman concrete, I believe the key components are volcanic ash and seawater. Not sure how big a role blood played if any, and it doesn't really matter to the topic, just thought I'd clarify for anyone that's interested.

It's strange but ultimately it's circumstantial as evidence. There are legit reasons, as others have pointed out animal blood is abundant in slaughterhouses and industrial usage makes sense, if it has benefits.

However, it is of course a pretty good way to get rid of large quantities of blood too. Although I feel like it's a pretty elaborate way, it would be much easier to just dump it into a lake/sea or even just in the ground. I'm not sure how traceable it would be in the ground, but in water it would be diluted and untraceable for sure so it doesn't really make sense to put it in a permanent structure if you want to dispose of it.

Maybe it has some kind of ritual/supernatural use, like infusing the building with some kind of magical potency. That seems like fantasy to me, but it's not impossible. I find the prospect of raping children to make very little sense as well, but clearly that happens.

Ultimately, I think it's hard to make any conclusions based on this, unfortunately.

Fun for sure. I wouldn't doubt that mr Slim has been involved in some shady dealings at the very least. I imagine there's a lot of money to be made in child trafficking since it's probably the most illegal product conceivable, except for maybe WMD:s.

"Maybe it has some kind of ritual/supernatural use, like infusing the building with some kind of magical potency. That seems like fantasy to me, but it's not impossible."

Taking this a step further, what if the symbols embedded in the streets of Washington DC, like the giant pentagram or the owl, are made with this magic blood-infused concrete? Then the whole city would have some kind of double secret magical potency...

Sounds like something straight from the plot of Fullmetal Alchemist. Wouldn't that be something, huh?

r/sicksadworld

Honestly it could be used to scare the children. But that's it. I'm sure they don't use the remains of children in their concrete enough for it to be a clue to any findable evidence

Why do you say that Cemex has a patent? It was filed by Charles Laleman of Poissy, France.

A disturbing thought, what if the slaughter houses are a part of this plan too. Literaly making the people eat their own missing...

Using blood as a binder is accepted practice in the past. It was used in ferns castle in ireland, built by the normans. story goes thousands of hens were killed for their blood. I don't know was it built with clay or cement.

Woah. A rational and non-knee jerk reaction to blood being used in concrete.

Away with Ye! Clearly only the blood of a child will suffice!

Very peculiar to me that _thedon is gaslighting this so badly. Between the reaction from the left with personalpanpizza and the rights with tucansam, I am deducing that both sides of the aisle are complete and total disgusting pieces of shit. So sad I am not that surprised by any of this vile shit coming to light. This forum is fucked, tptb are really amping up the forum sliding and gaslighting. I'm drunk, but don't believe a goddamn thing from somebody who doesn't have an open mind on a fucking conspiracy forum!

Come over to Voat

Nice attempt to divide.

It’s not that hard to visit two different web sites.

Voat is down again

That's suspicious!!!!

So from 3-7 am eastern time you're at 16 upvotes, I wonder how many downvotes you'll have from 9-12 eastern time. I'm sure it will come in a flurry to your comments and the top 2-3 comments

The so called skeptix are suspicious as hell.

For someone with an open mind you sure like to put people in boxes.

I saw parts of beardmans youtube thing and am following this whole satanic pedo-ring thing on this subreddit and honestly so many people are flying into these arguments about how "they" wanna steal childrens' souls, and about how finding a swing nearby some homeless persons camp is evidence of child activity, as if your grown ass never sat on a swing before.

Wanna know why you are finding so many goddamn children shoes? Children tend to grow up, y'know, I remember getting a new pair of shoes frequently when I was growing up. Now that I'm an adult I buy new ones when my old ones are falling apart.

I don't think anyone here is crazy, I think we all just fear the worst. But please, people, just because you can imagine the worst, doesn't mean that that is the case. I'm not saying that camp thing they found is cosher, but keep in mind that homeless people have a higher tendency for having a mental affliction and the things they collect or do don't always make sense.

A true open mind can find the worst but also the best possible explanation in things.

Yeah, it's probably nothing. It's totally normal for the homeless to build camps full of children's clothing, toys, various restraints nailed to trees, underground bunkers containing toys, boxes full of toys, condoms and porn, graves, unmarked graves, and it's totally normal for an Indian on horseback to threaten anyone who finds the camp.

Normal? Heck no. I mean, it just might be part of an elaborate conspiracy to traffic children on a massive scale where the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing and people covering for people getting payed by other people all the way to the top. Or it could be something more mundane, like say: a bum campsite.

Occams razor, look it up: Link

And I swear if I see one more post about gas-lighting.. ya'll are playing yourselves.

Wait let's think about this for a second: finding children's clothing in the woods and discarded toys isn't that unusual. The "restraints" nailed to trees? Come on. Doesn't it make a lot more sense that's for a camping purpose (holding up a tarp, etc.) than jumping into "child sex restraint"? Condoms and porn again not THAT unusual to find in the woods.

An unmarked human grave? That WOULD be crazy. But I've seen no evidence of that here. And finally a native dude on horseback telling a bunch of crazy people with cameras digging up his yard to get off his property? As someone who grew up in Arizona, all I have to say is "get off that native dude's property."

I don't have a dog in this race but people are seriously jumping to some crazy conclusions based on very very little evidence. If you're going to mistake any homeless camp for a child-sex trafficking site, and any discarded trash around can be interpreted through that lens, you're gonna find this stuff anywhere you go looking.

finding children's clothing in the woods and discarded toys isn't that unusual.

I traveled the country mapping out mountain bike trails for years, and I live in the middle of a forest. Having that much clothes and toys and junk food around is a good indicator that there were kids around.

Doesn't it make a lot more sense that's for a camping purpose

Not to me it doesn't. What are the restraints for? What are the underground rooms for? What's buried in those graves? How are these homeless people getting a hold of chainsaws, fuel, digging tools, radios, walkie talkies?

As someone who grew up in Arizona, all I have to say is "get off that native dude's property."

It's not his property, nor did he try to claim that it is. He simply told them very bluntly to get lost. And just look at how many users have come out of the woodwork to discredit it or brush it off as nothing. I want to know exactly what was going on there.

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He's probably just a Shriner... Isn't it the Shriners that have been summoned to court already for what is going on right now? Some masons. anyway I don't get why the focus is on the evidence rather than trying to get them prosecuted. LMFAO

"The recommended process for preparing a lightened material consists in associating a construction element chosen from the cements, mortars and concretes, with at least one air entraining colloid chosen from whole blood, globules, red blood corpuscles and haemoglobin. The invention also relates to the lightened material obtained according to this process."

What verbiage to simply say: "We mix blood and other things with blood in it in our cement".

This not crazy and it is nothing. Blood has been used to entrain air into the concrete since long ago. Cemex, apparently, just holds a patent.

shit and i thought streets paved with blood was a metaphor...

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This is either the beginning of uncovering a major multinational conspiracy, or it's officially getting into Flat Earth psyop territory. Time will tell. No offense to flat earthers, I prefer hollow earth myself. I'm leaning more towards psyop at this point, but I'm open minded and hopefully when actual information comes out about this, we can all judge for ourselves.

hollow earth is definately the most interesting and at least some of it is hollow we know for sure

There's no proof any of that Robert Byrd shit is even true if you actually look into it.

it is pretty interesting. esp if youve ever gone spelunking. And of ppl living there, it seems highly probable.

Both the flat Earth and the hollow Earth have so far been unable to provide a satisfying explanation to gravity. What do you believe to be the cause of things falling down?

Density

wat

That's an explanation I've heard thrown around a lot, but not really one that makes sense; it is as circular as an amphiteatre. Heavier things do not magically sink below lighter ones. There is a force responsible for that, one that begins with a 'g' and ends with 'ravity'. The fact that density-based sorting processes do not seem to occur in zero G environments, as can be easily demonstrated on planes, seems to falsify this explanation beyond reasonable doubt.

At the risk of going off topic, flat Earth and hollow Earth don't provide an explanation for gravity only because you believe that gravity is linked to mass. You only believe gravity is linked to mass because the scientific establishment has linked gravity to mass through experimentation based on the premise that the Earth is not flat or hollow.

So it's a circular argument.

Now, before you say "Ok smartass, then what is gravity", I'll head you off and say that I believe it is linked to mass and that the earth is not hollow or flat. I'm just pointing out that the entire premise is based on a circular argument that we choose to believe one way over the other.

At the risk of going off topic, flat Earth and hollow Earth don't provide an explanation for gravity only because you believe that gravity is linked to mass. You only believe gravity is linked to mass because the scientific establishment has linked gravity to mass through experimentation based on the premise that the Earth is not flat or hollow.

This is more than a bit presumptuous. I believe gravity to be linked to mass not because TPTB told me so, but because there is two centuries' worth of rigid empirical evidence available. The theoretical frameworks based on the premise are so accurate that they were able to make accurate predictions decades before we even had the equipment to verify them. Science is all about rejecting ideas if they are proven wrong, so I'm open to discarding the traditional model of gravity if the need to do so arises, but I've never seen a refutation of the mass-based model that goes deeper than 'the MSM is nothing but lies', much less an alternate, flat Earth-compatible paradigm that even comes close to the phenomenal accuracy of the mainstream model.

Now, before you say "Ok smartass, then what is gravity", I'll head you off and say that I believe it is linked to mass and that the earth is not hollow nor is it flat. I'm just pointing out that the entire premise is based on a circular argument that we choose to believe one way over the other.

The post-modern idea that 'my opinion is just as valid as ypur evidence' is a cancer to rational thought. To claim that the scientific method is not more or less valuable than any other belief system (or to even imply that it is a belief system) is to demonstrate a complete ignorance of its principles.

I think you’re reading way more into my response than I intended.

Many people like to interpret science's circular nature as evidence of its uselessness and I thought you indulged in the same fallacy. Apologies.

I get that, and just want to assure that was not what I meant. Even if Science is circular in nature, it works pretty well for the most part. At least well enough to explain most of the things you will encounter in the day to day. And when the explanation fails, it's usually self-correcting.

(sight aside, I don't think that post-modernism believes that opinion is the equal of evidence... It's more skeptical than that, more a view that established norms, hierarchies, standards, etc might not be accurate, rather that a claim that all truth is relative)

I'm on Expanding Earth theory now myself

I wrote this in another thread..

the number of kids that go missing every year is staggering, they are all sacrificed to these sick fucks, a child soul is the most valuable to them because the soul is in the purest form, babies are the highest form of energy to them,these sick fucks even go far as killing children and having sex in their blood, and what I wrote is not even scratching the surface of what other sick and twisted things these fucks do, Looks like they're even mocking us by making us walk on children blood without even knowing, our voice will be heard, this will be stopped, thanks for your post OP

115? Yeah right, just like 112 people died in Puerto Rico from Maria.

What's your fkn point? Please be quiet if you have nothing constructive to add.

The point is just like they got caught lowballing those numbers this one is also getting difficult to cover up. And maybe people will start realizing just how big a problem it is.

So what's with the attitude, you need a nap or something?

Judging by your words previously it had seemed like your intentions were not exactly noble. It pays to be descriptive when writing.

I think everybody needs a nap, but that's beside the point. I cannot tolerate and have no ability to tolerate those that seek to undermine a conversation, which is all this is supposed to be. Like people demanding 'proof' or they don't believe it, speaking frankly what people believe is not relevant and never has been, it's just opinion spouting.

Given that isn't the case here with you, my mistake, between your user ID and the content, you fooled me. I really thought you were full of crap. Given your not? No worries, my mistake.

Alright no worries.

I can certainly understand the frustration. I can also tell you from experience that approach is counterproductive.

It's easy to dismiss someone as willfully ignorant for not researching this type of stuff but the truth is the average person has been systematically misled their entire life. Most people don't have the cynical and distrustful nature it takes to question pretty much everything they've been taught to believe. To you they seem like an idiot but it's just someone who's good nature has been taken advantage of. Granted there's plenty of willful ignorance as well, but either way in order to get through we're going to have to be extremely patient.

Maybe I do need that nap though...

Wait, why would anyone believe something that there is no proof for? That doesn't even make sense.

And yet religion is a thing.

Don't ask me, I don't know either.

Because they are trying to push an agenda and use your emotions to get an immediate reaction from you without giving you a chance to actually think about it.
All this guy has done is attack people who are trying to use their heads and not jump to conclusions before we get evidence

It's the same psyop that the q bullshit just did and if you look, a lot of the people pushing this story are the same ones who were pushing q

you need a nap or something?

Not gonna lie, I slept like shit last night. I could use a nap right about now...

You didn't add anything posting this yourself, what's your point? Just because you didn't understand his point the first time doesn't mean you should be a jerk. I understood what he was trying to convey the first time so stop being so deconstructive

"Who's Maria?"

115 kids doesn't make a lot of concrete. That doesn't seem like a great business plan.

This is why we need the HRC video released!

If people doubt these things are possible, here is a short testimony by 2 children (Hamstead cover-up, video banned in UK):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7_epvNbaPQ

Children say the darnest things, please, people, I don't mean to be rude, but provide some goddamn evidence for these outrageous claims.

Bold claims require bold evidence, words are extremely cheap in the face of all of these extreme accusations.

Just treat this sub like r/nosleep and believe everything you read, get with the program.

of course you already know this but for anyone else passing by, it's worth mentioning these claims have been absolutely discredited - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32357195

Look up adrenochrome ...

Lol? Do you have Any evidence to back these extraordinary claims? Btw, you sound like a lunatic.

Pictures/screengrabs of the shoes and blueprints or it's BS. I'm not interested in some random bearded guy talking.

Many have photos. Not a lot of people have photos. Which is it?

It starts when there is actual evidence. At the moment there's just a whole lot of fluff.

Yeah I want to see pictures. Not believing anything without them.

Nobody cares if you believe. Your belief does not matter in fact.

No one should buy this garbage without evidence. If all these photos exist then post them or gtfo.

You don’t believe that particular statement you mean

And you believe without facts, which is really a lot worse.

You're right. I understand.

Like most people on here no I'm not in the area. Why should I have to go down there when everyone and their brother has a camera on their phone? The obvious solution is right there.

Wait so there aren't photos, so why the hell would you believe something with no evidence?

There isn’t photos of the shoes, I don’t believe, but there’s video of the site including “rape trees” and a small underground bunker seemingly to house children

Why do you think it’s to house children

People have been saying the hole is only big enough for kids to go into, which doesn’t make any sense when you actually think about it unless kids have been trafficking other kids. “Hey come out of the hole!” “No!!” “Fuck well I guess we lost another”

Watch the video for yourself. In that scenario I guess children could chose to starve to death in a whole, but that doesn’t seem to be the case.

Adults can get into the whole but it’s a tight squeeze. Not sure children could get out without help.

“Hey come out of the hole!” “No!!” “Fuck well I guess we lost another”

This made me laugh really hard. Thank you.

“Rape trees”, lol.

What’s funny about that?

Because they’re actually “Soros rape trees”.

?

They are mocking your silly claim.

You didn’t watch the video?

Why do you think this thread is getting astroturfed?

I think it’s not astroturfed, it’s people not buying into any claims with such dubious and made up evidence

You’re not able to identify astroturfing? Why do you think people are trying to bury this, especially in a conspiracy sub

What’s your proof it’s astroturfed? How do you know it’s not people who don’t think like you do? Downvotes won’t change my mind lol

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why won't they just show the evidence on a Facebook live if they have what they say they have?

It would shut down doubters reeeeaaaal quick, unless of course they don't have evidence.

Don't hijack a term like FOB. You haven't earned the right, that's purely hyperbolic and melodramatic. If you or anyone else from this VOP group want to message me, feel free. I'm not buying this whole story. If they have evidence of wrongdoing, put up or shut up. If we can spend years unearthing weapons caches and bomb-making materials in actual warzones, why are these jokers keeping all of their findings secret? You are being disrespectful to all my friends who died in combat by co-opting military terminology for your wild goose chase. You are not fighting a war here, you're commenting on a message board.

Raise awareness of what exactly? A bunch of conjecture?

I'm not "making this about myself." Like I said, using military terminology in the context of this LARP bullshit is disrespectful to the people who gave their lives in actual combat. What is at stake here? An abandoned camp with hidden evidence of some kind of vague and unfounded wrongdoing?

I do take it personally that these idiots are using flags in distress and military terms to describe their bizarre fixation on an abandoned homeless camp. That's something you wouldn't understand because you have never been to war. Fuck you for minimalizing our experience to serve your agenda.

recce sqdm and fireteam leader, poliwoda, he can say FOB all he wants stfu cherry

So I'm a pog? I have 9 deployments as an 11B with a specops unit. Fuck you.

using military terminology in the context of this LARP bullshit is disrespectful

Sounds like you've never seen the movie, "All Wars are Banker's Wars." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-0BPMwgKNA

any veterans want to contact me

My concern is this is just being used to create a mailing list for future use, data collection if you will.

Why do you think your belief matters? It doesn't.

Just read, absorb and move on. Nobody actually cares what you think, you're not helpful and it's frankly stupid.

Lack of evidence is not evidence of lacking. And damn, you act really dumb bro, seriously, just stop.

Many have photos

post them then

Met someone on the other thread from Tucson. He claimed he was going to go by today and do that then come back and post. We will see...

Research it dumbass. Stop acting dumb please.

Asking for proof isn't dumb.

Removed Rule 10

It's a hoax. You don't uncover shit like this and the first thing you do is go to social media while withholding any proof. 100% an acting gig. It has the same vibe as a poorly executed viral marketing campaign for a low budget found footage movie.

My question...why not stake it out first...catch the assholes...they blast it for the world...if a guy in Europe is aware of it...the people using the site know the jig is up and won’t use it again....should have approached everything different

What if that was happening and now it's fucked?

also a good point....imo, those guys screwed up the entire thing from the get go...i guess at the very least, awareness is being raised.

also a good point.

The guy who runs the Vets4Kids latest Instagram post is literally an ad for a Netflix documentary he made.

Not an update video, that's been on youtube for 2 days already on that channel and even older on the VOP fb.

I also want to say I want to believe. Clearly if is was staged, even the police, media, and gov officials would go out of their way to PROVE it is staged. But the fact it is so quiet is concerning.

Here are some of my personal issues with this, and please if you have an answer then enlighten me...

1. Whatever happened to that local newswoman who was driving up to investigate? Last I remember, she pulled up with a pic that the cops were blocking the road. Did she go home? Where are her 20 minute face videos explaining what she saw?

2. Which leads me to this. All these claims are 20 minute videos of just his face talkin about things he saw. When the news first broke, I dove right in to this. But every video I click are just his claims with 1 or 2 quick sweeps to a person or a location, then back to his mug. Why not document the evidence for the public when you want the publics assistance? Fuck the photos, we all want video evidence. He has enough space to make all these lengthy videos but not a video of their interaction with the ATV guy? Not a video of their interaction with the police? Not a video actually going through their findings?

3. With the amount of people that went over and assisted after this blew up, where are their youtube video confirmations? Reddit post confirmations? ANYTHING to help give credit to this. You would think they would be interested in takin a video as they walk through and "see for themselves"

My conclusion on this whole thing is that I'm still open to ANY possibility. But as a skeptic, these are my issues with the current situation. It seems so many are quick to jump ON a conspiracy, they fail to question the conspiracy.

Does anyone feel like this COULD BE the false flag for something else currently happening?

Yup, I go to their FB page to see what evidence they have and all there is is video after video of him talking.

If it's an abandoned facility, shouldn't be that hard to take pictures and post them. Sure post a lot of videos but no pictures... Also location of evidence is key, so if they are taking things (to protect from tampering?) they should have pictures of the original locations. All of this can be shared without hampering any sort of investigation. It'll give credibility to the claims that are, right now, just a talking head.

to protect OR tampering

yeah this has about as much evidence as a LARP right now from where im sitting

How dare you ask these logical questions, you shill?

If it’s blowing up then it’s the smoke screen. At the end of the day fb reddit it’s all liberal propaganda

Your 3 points are great and number 2 is my biggest concern. So many people keep making claims in a lot of the conspiracies/crimes and no one presents real evidence or shows the vidence clearly. Even when its right behind them.

From day one everything should have been documented and talked about when they found it how they found it. You have the camera on the whole time recording. Showing exactly where you're walking, looking at, ans what you actually see. That way the viewer can decide. Also if there is any issue later on you can say "at minute xx:xx we walked to the tree and found 3 pairs of shoes with blood in them. We did not touch them. We called the police and stepped away from that scene. We moved to area yy after as seen in the footage."

This helps prove you didnt tamper with evidence, you made an attempt to contact authorities, noted suspicion of possible homicide/violent act, and moved away from the scene to prevent any further issues.

Also slowly and clearly show the evidence. For the love of god why does everyone just do a quick glimpse or hand the camera off to someone who is shaking more than a crack head going through withdraw(who also has Parkinson's disease)

And it is interesting that no major news source(that I know of. If you have seen it reported let me know) has picked up the story. I haven't seen an article or even a quick talk about it on the major news networks. Granted I don't watch 24/7.

Thanks for sharing your bit though and walking us through it all for what you think is up. There is either a lot we arent being shown or something major is about to go down.

Dailymail had an article with actual pictures of the supposed camp.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5808333/Veterans-group-uncovers-child-sex-trafficking-camp-hidden-bunker-stuffed-toys.html

Nice. Thanks for the reply. Ill check them out shortly, hopefully

Exactly. If there are 60+ pairs pf childrens shoes, why not...show the shoes?

there was a doxer on the guy, check my comment history for details

i think it is possible for both to be true.

i believe it is a logical site f or a trafficking camp.

i believe that this lewis meyer guy is highly suspect already from the way he talks and the well worded post on 8chan which was up as of last night still, suggests he was at bundy ranch acting like a CI, has a long felonious record, and is accused in multiple veterans and homeless circles of bad stuff that should disqualify him from work protecting children.

i personally think that only people with the absolute most spotless reputationss should go anywhere near children in a professional capacity and even moreso to be trusted with in-person investigations into abuse and trafficking.

I don't pass this standard personally, in my opinion at least so I prefer to do what i do best from a distance, read and write.

It could also be that the crisis was that one of the more reputable members of the orgahization came on the scene first and lewis meyer just showed up on the scene as sort of fire control, and TPD was told at a high level to respond dismissively while damage control took over.

They are most afraid of, and everyon who reads this really needs to get it through your head:

The intention of american military and law enforcement, which are now virtually unified, is to completely control the national news narrative for the rest of american history. There can be no surprises, the system is too fragile.

That said, every other aspect of this, the pedo logos in local businesses especially the casino, the school with the airport, the global connections of cemex. the cemex and parker connection, all the businesses the rothchild guy owns, ffs. This is the most obvious nexus worthy of investigation i may have ever seen, bronfman family is connected ffs. CGI, carlos slim.

The most convincing evidence to me thus far is the underground holding cell, if someone can convince me that this was anything other than a cell for a child.

the strava map of the area, c'mon, that is not homeless people and that is recent.

show me there isn't a tunnel system under tuscon. that's' what i would like to see, these blueprints.

the case against super-rich is that they and their descendants always turn into twisted dipshits and children start disappearing.

the problem isn't so much that the people are extremely wealthy, it's that there are no other forces in government or business who can question your power. when you have that much money you can just helicopter it on every part of the system and get away with anything, as our president will soon demonstrate when he pardons himself.

and if we were to prove any of these people were actual child traffickers and abusers, he would pardon them too. fake news.

the scrubbing of videos and the changing of the azcentral site, the bizarre un-urchiveability of a lot of the local websites....the coinciding mass shootings having to do with a child custody case....this starts to even look a little Las Vegasy....that couple that was shot had nothing to do with dwight and their lives don't add up either.

I am prepared to discuss all of this with anyone who doesn't say anything absurd or impolite. I have been barraged by cheap counter statements(not arguments) which to me indicates there is definite shill forces involved.

I can say this for absolute sure, there are people being paid to defend trump no matter how absurd the attempt.

I will say it again, trump is pizzagate. epstein was caught at mar a lago recruiting 13 year olds, that is not coincidence.

Make a post with some evidence. I asked you before and you just didn't reply.

and i probably said something like im not going to spoon feed you, get to 8chan /pol/ and find the thread, read it all and you will see the evidence. I may upload all the stuff I found, but ultimately it is a folder of digital images that I'd just be uploading to imgur.

The stuff is all there for you to find, step up.

Spoon feed? Excuse me, I've done more research on this than you ever have. If you want to be lazy and not reveal sources and just say things, pointing to one steemit article, fck you.

dude my steemit article has a good dozen archived links from local AZ news proving AZ child services is corrupt and gets away claiming incompetence, and is immune from any oversight whatsoever but basically me at this point. The parents rally for their kids back because so many are taken away for minor problems and then there is no chance to get them back and they turn up abused.

ICE loses them, arpaio doesn't even respond to child abuse reports and there is obviously human trafficking going on with the cartels, now this rothchild/diamond casino/cemex shit.

Come back and prove you understand why i fucking posted that steemit article and i will start to give you some respect.

If this is about the arthur lewis dude, here....well, isn't that interesting, i can't find a single 8chan post about tuscon....odd

if you find the threads, post them and i will go through them but basically just search for his name, if it was scrubbed, that is some confo right there

You just posted links. You didn't even take excerpts from the links. I'm sorry but that's lazy. None of that also proves child trafficking. If you really want to help, you'd make more effort. You keep mentioning things, but fail to actually put forth a concise, informed opinion. You just link your shitty steemit article.

I've told the story in like 10 comments, it gets old. If I took exerpts from all the articles, then THAT would be a long article you wouldn't read.

The story covers 10 or so years, involves a good dozen people, and a girl was boiled alive until 90% of her body was burned, in a trash can, by a woman who should never have been a foster parent. And the little girl was sent to this unfit foster parent from another unfit foster parent, an ex military computer network admin who is now serving 20 years for crimes he did to OTHER foster children he had at the time.

I want to write a fucking book on this, but I would have to go to Arizona and interview all these people and that costs a lot, and I would probably get killed.

I am telling other researchers that this is a good place to dig, that all the signs point to something really shitty going on, and everyone responds, 'ugh i hate reading so much, why don't you just give me a snippet'

The fact is all the articles are trying very hard to say the opposite, this is all normal, nothing to see here, sure this kid got boiled alive by a woman who we knew was schizo, but gosh sometimes this just happens, the system has some problems, but we renamed the department and shuffled some stuff around, so don't worry your pretty head.

If you are uninterested in reading those articles about this girl who got boiled alive and no one got punished for it and no one knows why and the same people responsible were promoted, then well, you're just kindof a mental slug like most people.

To convince people of something is to present things in a way that's easy to absorb. You cannot be of help unless you put the work in and present things in a collated fashion.

I do my part because I genuinely don't want to see any child hurt. If you really care, you would stfu and research, collate, and present.

https://eu.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-investigations/2017/06/04/arizona-foster-care-child-abuse/362836001/

https://archive.fo/XhCQx https://archive.fo/L64Ng

since i started doing this, all of these sites can no longer be archived. during my investigation, my internet was messed with that broke my vpn and i got strange phone calls with no one on the other end.

read the first article, then the rest will eventually leave you with the question, why did people stop investigating this?

do you think the situation with immigrant child trafficking camps is totally unrelated from the state child services or from arpaio?

i don't think so

You're giving me the same story about the girl who was mistreated by adopted mother and the sexual deviant male. WTf is wrong with you? This doesn't tie into anything currently, not even with the immigrant children.

dude im saying that if the actual legal forces are themselves corrupt, then that's going to rot the fish all the way down the entire system, such.

if the child services investigators are in on it, and when they are promoted to the top ranks for overlooking/aiding all manner of shit, when the entire system is absurdly non-transparent, and there are numerous whistelblowers saying something is wrong, when the sheriff of a huge region doesn't even respond to reports of children being abused, we can extrapolate a few things from this information.

1 people in their system who are currently abusing children are going to be able to continue to get away with it very easily

2 people trafficking children through this area are going to be able to get away with it very easily

3 there are going to be locations where these people regularly operate

4 cemex sites and the diamond casino are, like

BINGO

do you see?

We've been seen that. But there's a need to look for proof. that's why I've been looking for possible locations. What have you been doing but recycling old news stories?

i think it's important to inform people there is a larger story, that it's not isolated

reading all this has been already taking a lot of time and last night i couldn't even find the /pol/ threads

i am not autist researcher, i am archiving everything i have found though

if you could link me the chan thread that would be helpful or msg whatever

i personally want to research if there is a tunnel between the cemex site and the diamond casino, how would you suggest i go about that? (from europe lol)

I am on mobile. I will tell you later in the day.

fair enough

i found even more articles: https://archive.fo/RgjMc https://archive.fo/2qRPt (the one i found originally, even though i dont think this crazz site is very legit)

Here's a quote for you, from the mother of the girl that died (80% not 90% burned, my bad)

“No, not at all. I do not feel that DCS/CPS protected my child in any way,” Tremor said.

And a new development is that there are name changes for the mom, Tremor/Calderon and Devani's name was changed to Madison.

I'm trying to find more information on the osteraas trial but i can't, it should have happend it's been a year. A lot of new stories on it. ont have time right now.
http://www.k5thehometeam.com/story/35645339/woman-accused-of-burning-daughter-back-in-court

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/34292814/woman-in-jail-on-child-abuse-charges-assaulted-by-inmates?clienttype=generic

aaaaand i don't know arizona very well, i did not realize that this was ACTUALLY IN TUSCON. Sierra Vista specifically.

Yeah I have to write more on this. looking forward to the links.

Look at this symbol in the casino instagram page: https://www.instagram.com/p/BH8UkL9BoDK/?taken-by=diamondcasinos

This thread talks about it:

https://np.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/8oe5vc/there_is_major_down_voting_on_any_post_or_comment/

I found this radio frequency site with diamond and cemex listed: https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?tab=reports&mid=68&rpt=1&os=200&s=freq

I don't know how valid this information is:

it looks like anon discovered that the drainage tunnels that end near where that camp was found lead back to the Desert Diamond Hotel and Casino in Tucson. This location has refused National Guard on their land, opposed the border wall, and 50% of all drug seizures in the NATION take place on their land.

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/health/abuse/pedophilia/news.php?q=1528128756

towards the middle is where it is.

This is the best i can do for now.

btw that site is blocked because too many vpn users at my vpn comp are looking at it right now lol

a good sign

also im noticing more than few local usa sites are saying because im in europe they are saying nope, this new privacy law situation which i support is turning the usa into a walled garden, cutting the usa off from the rest of the world

not good sign

Could he be doing a purposefully botched job to gatekeep the story and ruin any chance of a real investigation? Maybe it was about to blow up via a different outlet and this douche was called in to botch it? In exchange for views / $$

yes, there are full time police state operators that are going to attempt to infiltrate and take over any popular movement, the national media is a completely controlled affair now, the system is so fragile there can be no surprises, so bye freedom in the usa.

https://youtu.be/KVWO93IY59Y

https://youtu.be/I3nanMc17M8

so the real donald was replaced? first i heard of this concept

images not convincing, other links? why would this have to be done?

see r/upcomingww3

I have so far seen one video of half assed documentation. This is not to say it was bad evidence, but the way the documented it was mostly talking about it as the panned over to a few of the items they referred to (Barbie doll, crip, hole in camp / possible entrapment for humans / kids trafficked). That video I found on Craig Sawyer's channel, it is only about 1 minute filmed with what appears to be a potato.

I've been saying the same thing they need thorough documentation and less reliance on one (somewhat manic) person talking about evidence. Document the damn evidence and do it thoroughly

Good point. I would want to see the video confrontation of him and the ATV guy and the guy that says it’s his place and that they built the “camp” for his kid/homeless people.

Nice summary, i agree with a lot of it. It could be a real camp but people in charge of disseminating information are controlled opposition, dividing onlookers

Child's skull found

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1423878191092423&id=1415347948612114&refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com%2F1415347948612114%2Fvideos%2F1423878191092423%2F&notif_t=video_reply&_rdr

Ha.

"BDA designed an offer in which Cemex would bring its customers greater certainty in their lives by making a promise to deliver a top quality product within 20 minutes of schedule, or a discount of approximately 5%, much like Domino’s Pizza ..."

I watched one of the videos. That shit looks like a straight up homeless camp. Y’all realize homeless people will literally collect anything that is “free” right? Discarded items, stolen items, trash, anything they can get their hands on. I’ve seen tons of camps before where there are some straight bizarre shit there.

Here’s the other thing, why in the fuck would anyone trafficking children have such a shitty setup? Like I’m supposed to believe children are being trafficked through some random ass camp in the desert?

Secondly, why wouldn’t whoever was running that child sex slave camp just burn everything? Why leave evidence out in the open?

This whole thing stinks.

I completely agree. This is not a proud moment of this sub...

I think both sides of this are legit in the sub. If it's a pedo camp, it would be one hell of a conspiracy with the mayor and police basically signing off on it, so people are right to talk and speculate in that direction. On the other hand, it could be merely a homeless camp.

The 'evidence' offered so far seems tenuous at best to me that it's a pedo camp. It might still be a human trafficking operation though. I don't think coyotes just drop people off at the border with a "Buenas suerte" and a tip o' the sombrero. I'm pretty sure they stage them somewhere and try to extract further money from them. So this could easily be that, which would include kids too.

What's weird to me in this sub is why people are overly focused on pedos when plain old human trafficking is just as bad. Like if there wasn't a naked barbie doll and 80 pairs of kids shoes, it seems like it would warrant a collective 'meh' even though the misery of adults being trafficked is no less than that of kids.

You’re absolutely right about coyotes. They always taken them to houses and hold them there till they get paid in full. A house here in Houston where I live was raided a few years back where dozens of illegals were found being held captive.

I know this isn't a joking a matter, but your last sentence made me laugh out loud. The way I read it is that you live in the house that was raided. Not harping on grammar or anything, the clauses just flow in an ambiguous enough way that I had to read it twice. Sorry for the non sequitur.

Ah yea sorry lol. I was typing and trying to do something else. You’re right though. For the record it was not my house! 😂

It's not a proud moment for humanity.... Critical thinking is just gone.....

Then tell us oh wise one, just exactly how a sex trafficker sets up his/her setup? Everyone disregarding this fucking thing seems to think they know everything about how these sick fucks do things. There are a shit load of people involved in sex trafficking, they dont all get paid the big bucks. It's not surprising to me that they would have a shitty, janky layout like this, however, I don't fucking know how they do it.

One baby chair does not equate to child trafficking. I don’t know how they operate but I do know how homeless operate and this is a perfect example of it.

You really think people trafficking children are using cheap labor to get things done? Lol c’mon. You can’t exactly rely on a crackhead to not spill the beans for leniency if they ever got caught.

Kill his entire family. Kill him in jail. Kill his dog. I fucking love how idiots think that people do not have the ability to keep their mouth shut. Have you ever had your life threatened dude? Your MUMS life? It's not that hard to be scared of death and keep one's mouth shut.

They don't just go around threatening everyone who works for thems life. "Hey. Want a job? Ok. But I'll kill your mum tho."

They don't NEED to do that. Trafficking is big buisness. Lots and lots of money changes hands. And yeah, not all of them rake in the big bucks, but to them it sure beats getting a real job. Think about it. They can't just go around threatening everyone that works for them. Who in the fuck would work for them then?! Do they only employ people who have been threatened? Do you really think that's how this all works?

I'm not saying they do that to everyone dumb fuck. If you knew how to read and comprehend, I'm saying it is possible for people to keep their mouths shut because some of them can and will get threatened if they talk. Not every one of them need to be threatened though. Why the fuck do I waste time on this back and forth shit? Lol

It still doesn't hold up. Would you take ANY job that you knew you woukd be threatened if you spoke about it? Who the fuck would?!! And why?! It doesn't make any sense.

Most people that are involved in sex trafficking, dont have a fucking choice of what job they want. How naive are you dude?

It's not like they go on job hunters.com and find this shit. Most of them are family members of the traffickers

Most victims of sex trafficking are tricked into it. Not kidnapped somewhere. Instead they're told how they're going to make so much money and see the world. But instead they live in a shack with 4 other girls in the middle of nowhere making next to nothing. You have a very hollywood view of it all.

We are talking about the people who work, not the victims. You fucking sick at arguing dude. I'm sorry

Removed Rule 10

Correct me if I'm wrong but beardman on the videos seems to be suggesting this is an old operation and with plans to extend the underground camp. It's now been left abandoned for a while and taken over by the homeless.

Yes, now all we need is some evidence of that.

So look at the evidence then

Homeless camp close to civilization. My understanding is this location is remote.

Just a question: why, if they are making underground tunnels everywhere to traffic children, are they holding them at an easily accessible and insecure camp in the woods in instead of someplace underground?

Maybe it's a staging area or transit site? I still don't buy that it's a child trafficking site, but I wouldn't necessarily rule out that it's just a plain old trafficking site. Due to it's proximity to Mexico it could easily be a staging area for Coyotes moving illegal immigrants across the border. Like as a place to hold them before they pay off any additional payments/extortion.

Just a guess. I'm not sure why people go right to child trafficking when the area is known for illegal immigrant smuggling, and that often includes kids.

Isn't "illegal immigrant smuggling" just another way of saying human trafficking?

Human trafficking included a connotation of the humans in question being forced or kidnapped. The illegal immigrants moved by coyotes are usually paying the coyote and actively trying to enter the country. Just a little distinction.

yes

People have been bending over backwards trying to drum up these child trafficking conspiracies so they can make a pizzagate connection and bring the Clintons into it... every single time without fail.

Agreed. There's clearly something going on with the camps that they've found, but people are going to find what they want to find.

Well wouldn't this mean that it didn't die with the Clintons?

Doesn't this support the idea that Trump is abetting the same shit, but now getting the kids from different sources?

Maybe the right way to look at these things isn't to get your back up because 'your' guy seems implicated. Maybe you should just look at the evidence.

But if your mind thinks in MyGuy=Saint TheirGuy=Devil patterns (as most dems and republicans do) maybe now you can consider it.

This is Trumps government now after all. If it's happening its being allowed by Trump.

It's really sad, on so many issues no one thinks about the issues. Dems oppose war when there's a GoP president. Republicans oppose wars when there's a democrat president.

Most people have no principles at all, they have teams. And they are dupes, the dems or the GoP aren't their team. The dems and the GoP are the same team. They take our money and give us orders and pay men with guns and uniforms enforce their orders.

They rule. We obey.

https://youtu.be/XvGmOZ5T6_Y

The President is one man. He can't control what every single bureaucrat does. It's not possible. But factor in the sprucing up of Gitmo, deployment of multiple groups of reserve MP's and THOUSANDS of sealed indictments; looks like a large scale house-cleaning is about to commence. Get your popcorn ready; mine is ...

Theyve already done it, cemex-charlie day conspiracy map wall-Clinton. Saw it yesterday

60 pairs of kids shoes, no mention of adult shoes, might be a reason.

Can you link me to the photos/video of that?

I'm going off OPs post.

Well I've heard this multiple times, you're using it as an argument, I don't understand why everything seems to be just going off people's word when they're making all these videos 99% of which is just a close up of some dudes face

well when theres cribs and childrens underwear and toys then you cant blame one for assuming the worst.

Is there a comprehensive list of what has been found at the Tuscon site? It seems like people keep upping the ante. First it was a child-sized spiderhole, a naked barbie doll, and a couple rape trees, then the OP added 60+ pairs of children's shoes and some blueprints, now you are adding cribs, underwear and more toys.

It's getting a little dizzying trying to keep up.

I think it's probably a route that illegals use as well. The rape tree isn't particularly surprising - illegals get raped by coyotes all the time. And I'm sure a lot of the kids get molested.

I have no doubt that pizzagate is real in some capacity because of the evidence and, more importantly, the strangely organized push back by the left on something that is supposedly just a crazy conspiracy. David Brock put out CREW/Shareblue in full force to deflect and distract from his ex boyfriend and the mainstream media marched in unison to discredit it. That is the sort of push back that only happens when a nerve has been struck.

The reaction to this is partisan but not organized in my opinion. It's the usual TMOR trash downvoting any conspiracy that might put their favorite people (Clintons, Soros, Rothchilds) in a bad light.

I have no doubt the Rothchilds are into some evil shit, but they aren't involved in every illegal or evil act in the world. We have to consider the most likely of explanations first - and in this case, I think it's just old fashioned human trafficking and not part of anything larger.

Organized pushback? Or just the natural result of the media ultimately being owned by a consolidated group of people?

I guess even if it's the latter, the media is supposed to appear to be independent, so any coordinated messaging is suspicious.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/katevinton/2016/06/01/these-15-billionaires-own-americas-news-media-companies/#2b845187660a

http://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6

And let's not forget Serco, where they get their orders.

Yahweh is behind this; I bet my ring finger

lmao

i didn't know about child sized "rape trees" until this week.

it's a r/sicksadworld

Why did they leave all of the blueprints and plans for their super secret international rape dungeon laying there in public?

If there IS an, or any, extensive child trafficking cartel attached to anything that could reasonably be called a global elite - and things like the Saville/chuck and Di connection and Epstein make it look feasible - you won't find their sites wandering in the woods. You wouldn't find them at all. If they exist, they're aware people suspect them in one form or another, and are using their wealth to remain unfound. Every time something like this happens and turns out to be nothing, it makes the overall idea - which is not crazy - seem crazier to the average person.

Love the thumbnail of the screaming guy

All these calls to not let this die makes me wonder what we're being distracted from, and what kind of embarrassment pursuing this story will lead to.

The government stealing children from people legally seeking asylum, holding them in blacked out sites, and handing them off to non-government organization with little to no paperwork identifying who they are or where they belong?

The police being called on congressman trying to find out what is happening to these children?

The reports of these children being physically and sexually assaulted, and frequently being threatened with the same?

Could have something to do with that. We've got a our own government setting up the perfect circumstances for child trafficking, and this sub is being flooded with a halfbaked story about a homeless camp in Tucson.

CPS is the biggest culprit- that's why they are making vaccines "mandatory ".That way, when parents refuse (and it's usually on religious grounds), they swoop in, take the child or children, and POOF -they lost track of where little Junior is !

http://medicalkidnap.com/2015/04/27/senator-nancy-schaefer-did-her-fight-against-cps-corruption-cost-her-life/

Nancy Schaefer was completing a video exposing the lack of oversight in Georgia’s Department of Family and Child Services (DFCS) as well as Child Protective Services (CPS) nationally.

Less than a year before she was murdered, Nancy Schaefer appeared on the Alex Jones show to discuss the American foster care and adoption business, and the terrible corruption involved with it, including “bounties” on children and child sex trafficking. Her interview is available via YouTube.

After she lost her State Senate seat due to what she believes was her report on CPS, she began to talk to other State Representatives and Senators around the country who were being confronted with CPS issues in their district, but they told her that if they did anything, they would lose their jobs just as Nancy Schaefer had.

Alex Jones asked her if there were “bounties on the heads of children” and Mrs. Schaefer said “yes,” and that in fact just the day before she had learned that “an order” had come in to a CPS office stating what kind of child someone wanted to adopt.

Mrs. Schaefer states that the financial motive for the State to legally kidnap children was put in place in 1974 by Walter Mondale with the “Adoption and Safe Families Act.” This was later expanded by President Bill Clinton in 1997 with The Adoption and Safe Families Act that gave states cash bonuses for every child adopted out of foster care. (Editor’s note: Bill Clinton signed this bill into law, but the bill was passed by the Republican-led House and Senate led by Newt Gingrich, so it was a bi-partisan effort initiated by a Republican majority in Congress.)

Thus #bothsidesoftheaisle on all my tweets ....

I get the feeling like it's being overblown so that it leads to some stand-off like the Malheur Refuge, or Bundy Ranch. It's always nice to see how many troll and bot accounts are pushing these stories on the internet, and that's how you can tell it's pretty bs.

another video update

https://youtu.be/0yFLpHkzWLY

Slim would imply cartel connections

Slim is not the owner of CEMEX.

Your own source says that Slim is NOT Cemex’s owner. Cemex is owned by the Zambrano family.

I don’t think so, recent news says Slim will start his own cement company to compete with Cemex. Makes no sense to me why he would work with Cemex at the same time he is trying to start a new competitor company.

Np op :) thanks for the post.

Everyone who doesn't think this camp is a child sex trafficking site are being called gas lighters and shills. Being told to go down and "SEE FOR YOURSELF".

Well I don't believe this is a child trafficking site at this point. I want clear evidence shown to me. I'm not flying to Arizona to see some "Rape trees" which in my opinion are just anchor points.

People need to understand that in cities there are not many family friendly homeless shelters. Plenty for men and women but they remain separate. and anyone who has ever been in a shelter knows it's not a great place anyways.

So a family that is unable to provide for itself and has become homeless either gets separated. or they create camps like this one.

Cells look like rooms. Rape trees are anchor points for supports. Likely a shower/bathing area. Bloody knife could be used for butchering an animal.

Completely agree on the 'see for yourself' point.

It's odd that they keep reiterating that when they full well know that there's people from all over the world watching their lifestreams on Facebook, but also won't show any of the evidence they found.

I watched one last night where they kept stating there's trucks of evidence being taken to one of their camps and will be laid out for people to see. Do a livestream and show everyone the evidence you're laying out then. It could potentially shut down a lot of doubters if they have what they say they have.

I don't get it.

It does if you want to stretch out the views as much as possible.

Ahhaha true

"Rape trees" which in my opinion are just anchor points.

In the same video, when they pan around, you can see there are other logs lashed to the trees using the same type of straps. The straps were used for logs in the structure.

Do you have any evidence of the bloody knife? Any screenshots or timestamps for videos?

Well no shit. If it was a homeless exampment for a homeless family it most likely wouldn't have running water or electricity.

Just because someone is homeless and living in an environment like that doesn't mean they don't love their children.

Is the vetting process taking a bunch of meth?

question about the shoes, if you see shoes like that on the side of the road, or on a telephone pole or electrical wire, does that mean something for sure? that's really common in my city and i'm trying to find out if it's shady or if people are just being stupid and throwing shoes out car windows at 4 am.

Shoes over power lines can mean drug dealers I think.

oh, big true, that's common here too. there was one outside a park, by a ritzy neighborhood, everyone does it here.

I'd say most people are just throwing their trash out the window. Also throwing someones shoes up around a power line is a prank as old as power lines. However I think finding a mass amount of buried children's shoes and clothing is definitely not normal.

it's not, i'd love to investigate this but i just heard about it.

thanks TIL

RemindME! 50 hours “60 prs childrens shoes found”

why are these people being portrayed as veterans that help homeless people, they are an organization that actively search for pedophilia cases, the leader of the group made a video about their efforts to unmask pedophilia and the financing of the operations, about a month before the videos of the bunkers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6nbZ_mmanM

what VOP means?

Do you follow him on Twitter ?

I mean do we know if blood improves the concrete? Common sense tells me no but you never know with this sub

Yes, since roman times. Apparently pigs blood has properties that acts as a bonding/strengthening agent. Not an expert mind you, just found that today after I was reading about this Cemex/great awakening horseshit.

Well, if blood really is so useful why aren't we farming it? It's not like it isn't a renewable resource

We do farm animals and harvest their meat, organs and everything else. There's not a lot of waste, stuff goes into pet foods and soaps, solvents etc. I'm sure it's used for lots of things but, as I said I wasn't some blood expert. You can go look into it if you want to find out.

Someone did a pretty good breakdown on greatawakening saying that yes blood has been used especially in the past, but that there are so many better ways of creating porous lightweight concrete that it's very rare / not worthwhile.

The amount of people coming out of the wood work on this particular topic is incredible. What the hell is going on in this sub-reddit? Are we organic users out numbered by bots?

There's already Operation Backyard Brawl t shirts on amazon lmao.

Shitpost

Pigs blood has been used in concrete since the romans. Nothing new.

thanks TIL

Yeah... this is just too crazy for me. It would cost way too much money to do this... I'm out.

The child exploitation encampment I have no issue with as being factual, but the beef and pork industry create millions of gallons of blood that is considered hazardous waste and if it could be used in concrete it would be. So going off on some wild goose chase that Cemex is using children's blood for cement just makes you look like a fringe cook wearing a tin foil hat and damages the credibility of what may be a huge story

it's not unusual for companies to hoard patents in their industry, even if they don't intend on using them. They just want to make sure other people can't do it

This is 20 minutes of a guy talking, with two quick cutaways to people picking up trash.

That's supposed to convince me?

The blood thing seems like an unrelated fun fact... It's not like, freshly murdered people blood so if it makes industrial improvements, why not?

roughly 1/3 of the front page of /r/conspiracy is currently occupied by various stories about this thing in Tucson. I watched one video a week ago that looked like a homeless encampment and a bunch of dudes making wild speculations about it being evidence of child trafficking. I found it to be unconvincing.

Can anyone suggest 1 video that actually sums up actual evidence in this story instead of breathless "shocking" discovery videos?

Nope.

Let me know if you find one, cause I haven't.

Everything VOP has posted is just them talking about evidence they've found, but not actually showing it to people on their Facebook live. Just keep saying to go down there and check it out for yourself.

This thread is shilled so hard.

Right?!!

Almost like the content is irrelevant... the traffic and comment themes tell me all I need to know.

Blood in concrete... Dafuq?

r/sicksadworld

Carlos Slim, the same guy who bought 25% of the NYT before the 2016 election, hates Trump and then divested from the NYT after the election?

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=332280393967021&id=178302476031481&_rdr

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=332280393967021&id=178302476031481&_rdr

no problem just want everything to be put out because i feel like they are trying to bury this story.

heres some footage of something

Damn they are trying so hard to control this thread.

Why does Carlos Slim sound familiar isn't that Anthony Weiners handle in the email stuff ?

carlos danger

Whoever is behind this is probably just a Shriner... Isn't it the Shriners that have been summoned to court already for what is going on right now? Some masons. anyway I don't get why the focus is on the evidence rather than trying to get them prosecuted. LMFAO

One of the photos from the Voat thread shows a log with the name Maddie written on it:

https://archive.fo/pJeV6

I couldn't help but think of:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Madeleine_McCann

this was my thinking about the many thousands of corpses in the wake of katrina.

who checks concrete for teeth?

If you look at this place on a map, you can see that it's across the interstate from a suburban neighborhood. I'd bet that this place is really just "the spot" for the teens that live across the interstate. We had places like that when I grew up where we'd go to make out and do drugs. Eventually you bring furniture and shit you find in the trash. Sometimes a homeless person finds it and lives there for a bit. In the case of tucson it's even more likely that migrants on foot pass through this spot.

What actual evidence have they presented (I mean actual photographic evidence of actual things)?

• Some "restraints" tied to "rape trees". But in the videos of the restraints you can see that there are other logs lashed to the trees in the same way. These are basically just interior decorating or building structure like a kid's tree house.

• Some toys strewn about. Well when I was a kid we used to do shit like light barbies on fire, explode GI-joes etc. in these same types of spots.

• Basic living stuff like shaving cream. Self explanatory for a homeless person living there.

• The "bunker" is a water container that's been cut open and covered over with debris. Probably a great way to make a weather proof enclosure that can get you away from the elements. Useful for migrants, homeless, and to make out or do drugs in.

115? Yeah right, just like 112 people died in Puerto Rico from Maria.

Density

115 kids doesn't make a lot of concrete. That doesn't seem like a great business plan.

Yes censor the discussion

At the risk of going off topic, flat Earth and hollow Earth don't provide an explanation for gravity only because you believe that gravity is linked to mass. You only believe gravity is linked to mass because the scientific establishment has linked gravity to mass through experimentation based on the premise that the Earth is not flat or hollow.

So it's a circular argument.

Now, before you say "Ok smartass, then what is gravity", I'll head you off and say that I believe it is linked to mass and that the earth is not hollow or flat. I'm just pointing out that the entire premise is based on a circular argument that we choose to believe one way over the other.

Sounds like something straight from the plot of Fullmetal Alchemist. Wouldn't that be something, huh?

Do you have any evidence of the bloody knife? Any screenshots or timestamps for videos?

Well no shit. If it was a homeless exampment for a homeless family it most likely wouldn't have running water or electricity.

Just because someone is homeless and living in an environment like that doesn't mean they don't love their children.

I think it’s not astroturfed, it’s people not buying into any claims with such dubious and made up evidence

So look at the evidence then

I've told the story in like 10 comments, it gets old. If I took exerpts from all the articles, then THAT would be a long article you wouldn't read.

The story covers 10 or so years, involves a good dozen people, and a girl was boiled alive until 90% of her body was burned, in a trash can, by a woman who should never have been a foster parent. And the little girl was sent to this unfit foster parent from another unfit foster parent, an ex military computer network admin who is now serving 20 years for crimes he did to OTHER foster children he had at the time.

I want to write a fucking book on this, but I would have to go to Arizona and interview all these people and that costs a lot, and I would probably get killed.

I am telling other researchers that this is a good place to dig, that all the signs point to something really shitty going on, and everyone responds, 'ugh i hate reading so much, why don't you just give me a snippet'

The fact is all the articles are trying very hard to say the opposite, this is all normal, nothing to see here, sure this kid got boiled alive by a woman who we knew was schizo, but gosh sometimes this just happens, the system has some problems, but we renamed the department and shuffled some stuff around, so don't worry your pretty head.

If you are uninterested in reading those articles about this girl who got boiled alive and no one got punished for it and no one knows why and the same people responsible were promoted, then well, you're just kindof a mental slug like most people.