CMV: The obsession with pedophilia(pizzagate mainly) here is mainly fueled by political agendas

1  2018-07-12 by ImNotDave1738

I'm posting this again and will reply with specific examples, tough to do right now as I'm on airplane wifi via my phone.

Also I want to make clear I have no interest in debating whether it exists or specifically by who, this is macro view of the subject, not a he said she said slapfight

I've been coming to this board for three years, I've been on Reddit for 7 years and 4chan for the same. I only say that to prove context to this belief.

While pedophilia is objectively one of the worst sins in humanity, no one refutes that, I believe this board and right-wingers have latched on to it because it typically implicates Hilary Clinton and perceived liberal entertainers.

Not only do I believe that, but for all these individuals who supposedly care so deeply, I don't see anybody tangibly doing anything about it. I've seen a few alt-right marches and rallies in the UK and US but those were shams to make a bigger conservative point (anti Muslim mainly). For example there are quite a few members of the US House taking action (Rep Wagner) to directly combat sex trafficking, but yet I never see pro-action continued coverage or attention to causes that is not comingled with a bigger point (typically anti Hillary or Democrat). Even though I detest the posters and rules, I frequently window shop on t_d to have a full view of things and the same stands.

I am positive there are a few examples here and there, but this board has pizzagate/pedo posts fill up at least 1/4 of the board for the past 2 years (and I know the nature of this board isn't to promote solutions) but observing a large amount of right wing social media I wholly stand by this point.

I say this as someone who worked in a clinic years back in law school who had to deal with this stuff directly. Im in no way a white knight but its disgusting to me that this issue is used to score points and not even a sliver of people here promote causes or take an overt action to do anything outside of tarnish those who are politically opposite. So change my view that even a tenth of the energy and attention concocting theories and suspects and supposed evidence goes towards anything positive or to remedy and better the situation.

TL;Dr: The obsession with pedo rings is disgusting in that it's purely to further a political view of an objectively grotesque crime. The right puts so much energy in it for political points against the Democratic establishment and liberal media personalities.

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It's like the constant barrage of hatred against "virtue signaling".

As opposed to what: their immense and totally-real world contributions the downtrodden...?

I'm not sure I totally follow you. Although when I see that phrase used to shut down something irrelevant it outs that person as a sheep to me.

People who rant about the evils of "virtue signalling" seem to rarely-to-never engage in actual real-world virtuous actions for the betterment of their fellow man.

It comes off that what they hate isn't the "signalling"; but the concept of "virtue" itself. They don't do it and they don't want you talking about it.

Ah I totally get you now. I agree with that sentiment but I think it's actually far broader than people who use that term.

Pizzagate is used to forum slide. That's why you'll often see ridiculous hysterics over a symbol. A symbol that never seems to lead to anything. This topic will be down voted hard because those that control this board want this. That way real topics, topics that have an impact on our lives, aren't as discussed. The manipulation is at times very high. It depends on the traction of other topics. I believe pizzagate exists mostly because the majority of kid fucking happening among the elite, are underage, not children. If everyone is up in arms about a child ring that doesn't exist, people like epstein who went after girls in their young teens. It's often used to confirm pizzagate, but no one bothers to ever talk about the major difference.

It's almost always political targeting by the party who has random public scandals involving pedophiles and protecting them.

Democrats are better in 1 respect, they usually throw their trash out.

Right? Left? Doesn't matter.

If kids are getting raped and murdered, it kind of needs to be investigated.

Yet this very sub invariably goes ice cold and almost completely ignores the subject when anyone remotely right-aligned gets implicated.

No, then it's a deep state hit job.

Funny how that works, when the right holds majority-seating in positions of government power, "special" relations within the business world, and the most watched media venture in the nation is literally their mouthpiece...

Uhh, the right and left are two sides of the same coin.

People who still buy into the left vs right ideology are idiots.

Wow. I feel so enlightened. Ineffectual cynicism it is.

I shall now proceed to not vote, not be properly informed of local or national politics, and completely reject any potential vast disparity in party voting directions.

lmao at the people who think left vs. right will make any difference whatsoever.

Bush Jr. in office = fighting Israel's wars

Obama in office = fighting Israel's wars

Trump in office = fighting Israel's wars

WOW SUCH A DIFFERENCE

Even if we accept that the parties are different masks for the same Beast: you've still got a situation where one mask is the subtle invoker of the "big plan" and still at least (partially?) offers things beneficial to your interests, and where the other mask is the overt one that clearly fucks you over completely given a second's fucking thought.

You'd think someone who actually believed the "both parties are the same"-horseshit would at the very least push for the expression of the Great Evil that was the least vulgar and fast-acting: to grant further time for "The Great Revolt" or whatever the cynics claim to be waiting for while they don't vote, don't inform themselves, and get shafted without even the illusion of their say-so on the matter...

Yep, it's a "new" tactic for the right.

To make people believe "left is just as bad, please don't vote".

When looking from an outside perspective, it's very easy to say that which party is closer to the people and which one is for the business interests.

I hate this talking point. When the left does it we should crucify them and plaster it all over this sub, but if the right does it “they are all the same”. Fuck out of here with that justification bullshit.

Agreed, if you read my post that's what is most disgusting.

It's universally accepted that it's one of the worst crimes to humanity, yet the knives come out for some, but for other it's just those lying liars!

The provable child rape ring among the elite in recent years was the Lolita Express. Nothing else comes close to having the evidence, names, photos and witnesses. No one seems to care that its young girls on a billionaires plane and island, because of pizzagate.

The chief irony is that the outrage warriors originate from the same forums which host this content.

Sometimes, you need to get the word out before you can remedy a situation. You can't have people propose a solution to a problem they don't know exists. I agree there are a lot of unnecessary partisan angles that are played, but the moral responsibility to bring to light elite pedophelia on either side of the political spectrum should hopefully supercede any political goals.

An excellent way to bury any discussion regarding pizzagate/pedogate/elite pedophelia is to claim the entire discussion is the result of political biases, when that's not necessarily true.

Very solid points on raising awareness. What, though would you say are the solutions? Is it politically risky for anyone to take a hard line stance or enact tougher laws on this topic? Trafficking is as old as time, though I totally agree people probably aren't versed on the form we know it today.

While I definitely am with you on the first part, I wholeheartedly disagree that a critical look at what's behind it is a form to shut it down. Again no one is dying on the hill to defend it or the people, why would anyone shut it down? The perps themselves are left right center so no ones protecting their side in shutting it down.

The solutions will arise from public acceptance of the information discussed. Until people acknowledge the issue is real, there will be no solution. I would imagine these characters should be removed from the general public, but to what extent would likely depend upon a states' views.

I understand your thinking when you conclude that there is no real motivation to shut down discussion of the topic, in that you cite that there are perpetrators all over the political spectrum, but I feel that may only address the desire to stifle this conversation for strictly political reasons, and that this view may inadvertently overlook the notion that these people would want to hide for moral/personal reasons. (might have misunderstood what you meant contextually by saying "critical look" though)

Apart from the political scandal that would arise from the revelation of their pedophelia, it's also a culturally abhorred practice that would destroy one's personal and professional reputation. I could see anyone (left, right center, above, below etc) who messes around with kids wanting to stifle any discussion of the subject, even if it meant that stifling may inadvertently "protect" someone on "the other team."

Pizzagate is real. Deal.

I support neither team.

Ok. Please read the actual post.

Sending the direct links is really tough on mobile. I'll edit with multiple per name later tonight.

However if you do a quick search of this page or any site right-of-center check the results for: Anthony Weiner, Bill Clinton, Roy Moore, Jim Jordans, Podesta, Robert Deniro.

And I don't mean this as a hit job but it only stands out because this has been such a rallying cry for the past 2 years that the hypocrisy is especially illuminating.

Anti pedo agendas are good no?

Yes absolutely with you on that one brother. I speak of that in the text of the post that no one is for it or trying to obscure it.

Only if you started this whole thing about 18 months ago and, despite whatever knowledge gained thru the pizzagate experience, are still partisan and believe or pay credence to the left/right paradigm.

Sadly, that small cohort of users seem to be the loudest. This is you, OP.

Honest question, did you read the text of my post? Not only did I not start this 18 months ago, I stated the nuance in coverage and attention as my point of contention. At no point did I even faintly imply, mention, or insinuate I don't believe it as widespread and problematic.

I did, yes. I "enjoyed" such nuggets as:

"I believe this board and right-wingers have latched on to it because it typically implicates Hilary Clinton and perceived liberal entertainers."

"The obsession with pedo rings is disgusting in that it's purely to further a political view of an objectively grotesque crime"

Which were both news to me. I guess I'm a non-entity?

If you want to create an OP about how the Right is using PG, go for it. But what you did here was castigate those who follow PG as partisan. Vastly different.

Thanks for the detailed headline so I knew from the get-go you weren't worth reading.

This isn't about politics, though you seem determined to make it so. You can't. Goodbye.

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Mine certainly wasn't! Glad you noticed!

"All the underaged accusations were revealed as a con job orchestrated by a former Jerry Springer producer, Norm Lubow."

-u/IanPhlegming 2 days ago.

You're such a perfect illustration of my point this almost looks orchestrated.

Facts are facts. Read 'em & weep.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/07/donald-trump-sexual-assault-lawsuits-norm-lubow

Of course, this isn't actually intended for you. It's intended for any open minded people still following this thread.

If you're kidnapping, sexually harming, physically abusing or fucking children in any sort of organization that is secretive needs to be put to death regardless of political opinions.

I don't care if you're a left/right/center president or a left/right/center gas station employee, people deserve to die for the insurmountable amount of abuse, harm, and sadness that has been forced upon an unknown amount of kids all around the world throughout history.

I posted this a while back. It is the one thing I absolutely hate about this sub.

The part that people seem to not see, even though we are on a conspiracy sub, is that this all started up during an election. And it really only made one political side and their supporters look bad. That doesn't make you pause for a minute and think, "am I part of a psy-op put out there by a political strategist?".

My biggest issue with it though is that all of these people who supposedly want to take out pedo's aren't doing anything about it. They are posting shit on Reddit to try and prove a theory. If they really wanted to take out pedo's, they could easily go online, pose as a minor, get some scumbag to start talking to them, get them to send dick pics, set up a meeting, then once the pedo get's there, have the film crew ready. Then, turn it all into the police. People all over the world do the "To Catch a Predator" shit daily but they won't do it.

One recent sickening sequence that reinforces your thesis was the campaign to claim that homeless camp in Tucson was in fact a child trafficking site (based on no evidence). Almost immediately following this, the zero tolerance policy took hold and so many kids were taken away from their parents by our government, and this was often defended.

The clincher, though, was 19 ICE officials and agents proposing the disillusion of ICE into a strict border/immigration enforcement force and an international crime task force...why?

Because dealing with the fallout of Trump admin policies was taking resources away from the crime unit, which covers things such as cartels and Child Trafficking. That letter and concept didn't make any appearances on this sub that I observed.

I'm a mod for /r/pedogate and I wouldn't hire Trump to mow my lawn. I don't give a damn about the political theater. This needs to end.

"All the underaged accusations were revealed as a con job orchestrated by a former Jerry Springer producer, Norm Lubow."

-u/IanPhlegming 2 days ago.

You're such a perfect illustration of my point this almost looks orchestrated.