So what’s your own take on it?

I semi recently came to believe Antarctica might be like our last free space in a planetary game of monopoly.

We all screw up so here’s a last ditch free space. Play fair and respect the gift, the game continues. Screw up again, game over. Your thoughts?

I like your spirit. It doesn't have to be a pissing match!

Isn't 3% of the ice down there already penguin piss? Surely, that's plenty of piss.

The mind boggles. March of the Penguins takes on new meaning.

The ice is 2 km thick in the main plateau, so I’d say no.

Emperor penguins

Would vote 9. Submerged continent

I see, but look a Polar shift I referred below.

Submerged how? Antarctica is ice and then solid rock.

Charles Hapgood theory of polar shift for example.

That's a widely refuted hypothesis.

Submerged continent? Lake Vostok is just a lake which has ice covering it. Just read the wiki and it's interesting, no evidence concerning the creatures. The only evidence was a YouTube video saying about a unusal shape on Google earth but it turned out to just be an unusual rock.

There was no #9 when I posted. Check my post about polar shift.

Oh my apologies. Can you link me to the post? Can't find it on your posts

Charles Hapgood

Interesting guy, didnt see much about a submerged continent though.

He wrote about Pole shift hypothesis which would explain a continent under Antarctica ice sheet. Later writers made the connection.

I can understand where your coming from but evidence has shown that pole shifting takes millions of years (1 degree for every million years). No evidence for a rapid shift so far though which is the only way you would have catastrophic events such as tsunami's etc to cause an entire continent to be submerged.

No evidence for a rapid shift

It is an hypothesis, somewhat valid by itself although not enough for judgment one way or another in my opinion, but I would not say that there is no evidence. For example the frozen mammoth found in Siberia, or Hapgood heory on the Piri Reis map.

I'll read up on the mammoth one. Read up breifly on the Piri Reis map and it seems as though it was wrongly interpreted and later decided that it wasn't accurate and "serious scholarship holds that there is no reason to believe that the map is the product of genuine knowledge of the Antarctic coast"

serious scholarship holds that there is no reason

Yes, this is why we are on 'conspiracy' sub and not 'history' or 'science' :)

I can appreciate that, but at the same time some sort of evidence is needed not just making stuff up or not looking into things

http://cryptidz.wikia.com/wiki/Organism_46-B

i think its closest to 6 or 7

exactly why it would be hushed up, no?

Because the existence of a loving God of free will is the biggest secret on the planet.

If it's true, organized religion fucks it up by protraying it as a genocidal tyrant with hundreds of nonsense rules.

Sounds like youve described a great (and systematic) way to discredit an actual loving God then huh?

Personally I believe all religon is violence.

God didnt create the tiny fraction of the awe inducing multiverse we see to steal your money and turn you into a human slave.

This is genocidal tyrant is Jesus/Lord and this world is that product. Jesus isnt a god which should be pretty damn self evident to anyone with a few functioning neurons.

Been here thousands of years and we still got fucking pedos running the place.

🙄

I play some strategy games. Why destroy a resource when you can steal it? Why build what you can take and corrupt for your own ends? I'm not ruthless and calculating in real life but those games gave me a better understanding of systematic thinking. If you wanted revenge on an organization, making it an embarrassment and running counter to its previous goals would be pretty devastating. Then it's yours to use for other goals too.

No one wants to believe anyone is smarter than they are! But even a dumb person can lie to or trick someone.

Your viewpoint sounds similar to gnostic Christians, except most of them believed that Jesus would save us from the Demi-urge YHWH thing eating all those souls.

Jesus, you threatened people with eternal torture if they didn't worship you. I blasphemed the holy spirit, which the bible states is unforgiveable. So what's up? You know what, I'm going to be good in spite of your threats and promises, on my thought out terms, for the sake of goodness, because it's the right thing to do.

Whatever is responsible for truth and love, I guess you could say I worship that. But not as a surrogate father figure, or murderous tribal king, or any blend of myth and legend that makes god into a character. It's something that we are all part of.

Very well said.

My view is exactly thaf God is a part of existence, every bit of it, and also and that ignoring the cowardice lies of Jesus/Lord/Lucifer and the trainwreck they cobbled together as Christianity, this small teaser of real life we get, even in this minute of a fraction is actual gorgeous, divine, sacred, and beautiful.

It is only because we have this failed attempt at someone wanting to play “god” and service theirselves that this situational slavery exists.

I play some strategy games. Why destroy a resource when you can steal it? Why build what you can take and corrupt for your own ends? I'm not ruthless and calculating in real life but those games gave me a better understanding of systematic thinking. If you wanted revenge on an organization, making it an embarrassment and running counter to its previous goals would be pretty devastating. Then it's yours to use for other goals too.

Of course thats the play, but the thing is its amateur and juvenile and beyond stupid.

Every human two year old toddler can lie, cheat, steal, and destroy.

Ive always been a hard mode kinda love, creativity, intelligence, principle, thought, free will, and lets create something original and awesome.

Play the game with those kind of ideals and everyone gets more, including them.

So of course being an INTJ (if youre familiar with MB) seeing these simple truths are just painfully stupid to watch Jesus ignore.

FFS this shouldnt exist as is when it could be exponetially better if we get this ignorant narcissism out the way and return to God.

Awesome! Agreed.

If a flock of birds can move as one (seriously, watch sandpipers or another aerial acrobat swarm species) then it points to something like a morphic field. A near instantaneous transfer of energy / information. If the little birdies can do it, why can't we? And what if our electromagnetic fields are something MORE, something wonderful than meat and electricity? Our brains and nervous systems are electromagnetic says mainstream science. Electromagnetic fields extend and interact with fields beyond our skin and biological cells. Yet say that on the streets and you will be spat upon for blaspheming the white lab coat father teacher god that tells them how to think.

So... if there are different kinds of herds, therefore different morphic fields, what's up with hominid fields? What if we, plus all the little birdies and bacteria, make up a collective connected energy field that makes shit happen? What if we are all partly responsible for the state of the world because we are all part of it? And what if that's the closest thing we have to god, an ever changing, mostly unseen field with countless inputs?

A loving god with absolute power and knowledge would not make or allow such a world as this.

We have been taught we have to pick between loving and strong, competent and vulnerable, blue or red, nerd or jock. Or just one identity, as if you are only what society uses you for. I'm Joe, the mechanic. I'm Joel, the accountant. Fuck that. So much has been twisted and hidden.

This looks like the planet of the apes, of self serving desires. All living creatures live, by definition, they try to survive. To do that they follow instinct to meet their needs. I manipulate my dog's instincts to lead it to behavior patterns I want. In this case I my training ultimately makes the dog more secure and happier than if I just let it "be natural" meaning confined in a house but neglected. I manipulate the dog with treats and deliberately timed praise, in turn it is manipulating me to provide more treats and praise. It's a symbiotic relationship where we both benefit, therefore it is ethical. The dog and I negotiate what we will give and get. Benevolent manipulation can exist. But I wouldn't say the dog has complete "free will" as if it were deciding rationally and spiritually to follow the treat biscuit each moment. Oh we're so different, eh? Well we are far from the only species to use tools, have a language, or love their families. If I haven't eaten all day, then ya wave a cheesecake slice near me, I'm willing to listen. Probably start salivating as my cheesecake memories and cheesecake reflexes kick in, nostrils fare with eagerness as more senses are engaged, and the bacteria in my gut that feeds off lactose, glucose what he you do what they can to influence on a chemical level. Energy is life so I better get that treat.

But... I could say no to that slice of pie, or pussy, whatever. Having elevated myself above the level of a toddler, sometimes I exercise discipline. Ultimately human actions and emotional reactions are tied to survival or reproduction instincts in some way, sometgni that helped our ancestors DNA (and possibly more) survive and change based on trial and error in a changing world. Stuff like insults and shaming is still tied to survival and reproduction of DNA, because of the ear of being banished from he tribe having your resources limited. In some circumstances banishment is a literal threat too, as more than one "runaway:" could tell you. Our entertainment is usually people fucking, killing, swindling each other on screens, or mock war like in football. Survival stuff. Can't get out of animal mode as a world, not yet. Because the very real human tyrants that act in the name of God or the name of the dollar fuck us all up so we are easier to control. As if we are video game peons from a captured tribe. I open the HOLY bible and find story after stry of conquest and genocide and slavery done at the hands of the Hebrews. But God's ordered killings are nothing compared to the direct, active, conscious murders of han beings the story describes. The book "Drunk with Blood" counts them up. Something round 25 million is the estimate. Then Jesus doesn't execute but is all too ready to send people to Hellfire. Even curses a fig tree for not bearing fruit out season. Like what the fuck is this? I remember being a boy, learnign the word whore at age 10 from Genesis, not the only WTF moment. And I'm not Jewish so why is my whole family and town obsessed with Jewish legends?

I just want to be a good person. Without all the mishmash of mespotamian campfire stories inspired by temple prostitutes and abusive father figures. Not always easy in this world. It doesn't help that a Luciferian network is only one of many competing criminal empires that have infiltrated religion, politics, business, war, and all levels of society.

What's a boy to do?

Psssssst.... God isn't real. Stop it.

Which god?

Show us any empirical evidence for this this claim.

Existence.

That's...not proof of your claim.

Yes it is, you just dont like it. So instead, we go the long route.

Did you create existence?

How does the fact that things exist prove your claim?

Did you create everything in existence or not?

You can't create or destroy matter.

Ok so you are refusing to have an intelligent conversation and are refusing to defend your own assertions.

Good luck.

You are the one avoiding fundamental facts not me.

Existence.

And youre too much of a coward to answer a question.

Your claim is that a supernatural force is mandatory for "existence". Prove it.

If youre too chicken to answer a question I asked you 30 mins ago It lends zero confidence and continues to reinforce negative evidence that you even desire to communicate, know how to think, or that conversing with you further will be a useful alotment of either one of our existences.

Good luck. 🤷‍♂️

Burden of proof is on you not me.

Lol you actually have that just about 180 out little buddy, but good luck anyway and may God bless your perfect soul.

So you have nothing. Per usual.

Too cowardice to answer simple yes or no questions.. blames others for his ignorance.

Good night lil guy, for the record, Ima pray to God that he gives you the courage to answer simple questions, take that fear away.

Luckily you have both the best gift and greatest curse of all time though.

Free will.

🤷‍♂️

Thanks for admitting you cannot backup anything you said to be true.

Ancient cultures refer to base existence itself as many things, including God. That's more or less a factual statement about history.

http://www.comparativereligion.com/god.html

I considered myself an atheist prior to comprehending what all that meant, fwiw.

Oh look it's the empirical evidence guy

Do you have nothing tested that can back up your claim?

Thats not how god and faith work, sorry

A better question is why, if there is a dome, why do we have large air pressure differences.

No, it would not be proof of a god, let alone a specific version of god. It would mean a lot more questions.

it definitely would be proof of god, since it would signify that humans are indeed special and something put us here for an unkown purpose.. I don't believe in any of those theories but that much is obvious.

I’d say likely tons of resources there and since it’s not part of one country it’s more like a stalemate than let’s share. Nobody is making a move to claim or use them because nobody else would take it well.

That or there are is something there we aren’t supposed to see. Dunno if it’d be an alien crash site or an elite doomsday escape bunker but those would be my first guesses.

Okay. And they very well could have a giant base or found something crazy there. I was just giving my two cents.

I've read that Hitler was obsessed with Antarctica.

Why do you think he wanted Aryan race? Blonde hair blue eyes. That is actually a Nordic alien. So at some point in time he encountered them or knew someone who did

Whoa, thanks for the rabbit hole my dude. His was new to me!

Hitler / thé Nazis were also very interested in claiming literally any country / place. Kind of part of the whole “take over the world” thing.

Doesn't make any sense at all to waste resources in Antarctica when the Germans are fighting a war of survival back home.

Well "they" are blocking any civilians from going there. There is something there they do not want us to see. It has to be a secret elite city there but I have no idea what they could be doing. I do believe there is ancient untouched human civilization somewhere on earth with technology that we think is alienly, that has closed themselves off from the rest of the world. I think they hide in Antarctica. This mostly coincides with Operation Highjump and Byrd and his crew were warned to see themselves out.

Antarctic tours are a thing.

People trekking to the south Pole is a thing.

Have you ever looked up how much those tours are?

Space tourism will be cheaper.

They are pricey but they are not outside the affordability of someone on a high five figure to low six figure income.

I still think space tourism will be cheaper to be honest.

thats like saying Area 51 is probably nothing because you can drive up to its gates.

antarctica is huge man things can easily be hidden specially if they're under the ice.

Can doesn't equal is.

No shit? This is a hypothetical discussion...

There’s a lot of Antarctica that you can’t go on tours to get to.

There’s a lot of Antarctica that you can’t go on tours to get to.

The only parts that you are restricted from accessing are areas of ecological significance and these are usually islands of the coast of Antarctica. The tours will go to the same sites because it is a packaged tour, the same as a bus tour around Europe or a cruise in the Caribbean with a much lower temperature.

Yes but you still don’t go where you’d be able to go if you went yourself. It’s like taking a tour of Europe and saying you’ve seen all of Europe, you haven’t you’ve just seen what they want you to see to paint a good picture of Europe.

You can go and explore any part of Antarctica you like as an individual if you want to, excluding the areas that are protected by the Antarctic Treaty (areas of ecological significance basically). You do not need to go on the tour but if you do go on a prepackaged tour then yes, you are restricted by the tour company, not any particular nation's government.

That’s what I was saying

Seems appropriate somehow.

I'll preface this by saying I don't believe there's anything of note in Antarctica, but your argument is basically the same thing that North Korea employs to give a positive tour to foreigners. They only show the nice bits. Doesn't mean there's only nice bits (but there's a huge base of knowledge and accounts regarding the not so nice bits, obviously).

The Antarctic is massive, you're getting a tour only of what you're allowed to see.. There could be a city bigger than New York City and you'd never know.

The Antarctic is massive, you're getting a tour only of what you're allowed to see.. There could be a city bigger than New York City and you'd never know.

There could be a forest of trees the size of the Statue of Liberty, it does not mean that there is.

Can you please tell me why there are people who fund their own expeditions to the South Pole and why they can trek wherever they want to?

you can't just go wherever you want in Antarctic man, there's quite a few places that are restricted to human access which falls under the antarctic treaty.

https://www.nytimes.com/1985/10/20/us/16-areas-restricted-under-antarctic-treaty.html

The majority of the no go areas are due to the protection of flora and fauna, basically making sure that some moron doesn't introduce rodents or something that can destroy the fragile ecology like bacteria, viruses or fungi.

I'm not trying to say that there IS these hidden cities or military bases or whatever. In fact I highly doubt there is. However I'm just saying that they technically could hide these things under the guise of protected areas like you said flora and fauna. We as every day people can't really know 100% unless we were allowed access to explore those areas ourselves.

All good. It is easier to find a common place if we aren't calling each other names just because we may not see things the same way. Just wish some of the other subs were a little more like this.

Yes only in certain parts of Antarctica though.

As a private citizen, you can go to any part of Antarctica. You may not necessarily have the skills to survive there but that is very different to not being allowed to go anywhere in Antarctica.

Sorry but as a private citizen you cannot go to any part of Antarctica, that is exactly what I am trying to tell you. Rich guys would be all over there with huge offroad vehicles. You will be stopped an questioned Im serious. Antarctica is off limits. If you were to go there as a private citizen that was rich for example in a bunch of tucker sno-cats, a full crew of people with wagons of food and shelters like tents etc, basically a mobile mini HQ, probably enough to cover a couple hundred miles and back you would legitimately be stopped. Most likely CIA would show up some time before. Why do you not think anyone is doing this?

Sorry but as a private citizen you cannot go to any part of Antarctica, that is exactly what I am trying to tell you. Rich guys would be all over there with huge offroad vehicles. You will be stopped an questioned Im serious. Antarctica is off limits. If you were to go there as a private citizen that was rich for example in a bunch of tucker sno-cats, a full crew of people with wagons of food and shelters like tents etc, basically a mobile mini HQ, probably enough to cover a couple hundred miles and back you would legitimately be stopped. Most likely CIA would show up some time before. Why do you not think anyone is doing this?

Citation needed.

The reason why rich guys aren't doing this is most likely because there is no financial reward at the end of this. Basically, they cannot set up shop to extract minerals. Yet.

There is this US policy on private expeditions though.

While tours there are a thing, people are only allowed to visit a very strict pre planned route and are only allowed to visit established out posts near the coast. They do not allow people to travel into the interior of the continent's where these conspiracies are said to be located.

As a private citizen, you can plan your own expeditions to any point in Antarctica from any point in Antarctica. This is not the same as having the necessary skills to do this. The tours are a money making venture and will be going to fixed places like any package holiday

Im with the theory that theres 'something under the ice', that hole in the mountain is just to crazy.

Do you have any links? I'm not familiar with the hole in the mountain, but it sounds interesting to say the least.

annoying video but first one I found and gets to the point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DirMYyERmVI

It's not a theory as you claim. Show us some empirical proof then maybe you can call it a theory.

That makes zero sense. A theory is an idea without proof

You can't just claim something to be true without anything to back it up.

A colloquial theory is a scientific hypothesis.

Still waiting on your evidence.

My evidence for what now?

Why is there a bunch od deleted comments in response to you?

Shit I've got no idea, one of them was some guy moaning about 'evidence' which has gone so it could have been some stupid argument or something?

Hot Ice Caves

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/warm-caves-under-antarctica-which-could-support-secret-life-2017-9

Well yeah, the Earth is growing. The extreme poles are warm. This implies oil is renewable, as is water and most elements.

Here for later

The idea that oil comes only from decomposed biomass has not been proven. But we all take it for granted.

The "abiotic" oil theory postulates that oil is a natural part and product of the inner Earth's chemistry and known thermodynamics that has nothing at all to do with any ancient plant or animal life on the planet's surface, (which was and still is an 18th century notion that no mechanism exists for and that has never actually been proven in any demonstrable way).

The Russians, however, have done extensive scientific research for over 50 years to arrive at that abiotic theory, which they consider to be a scientific fact and not some theory at this point.

Moreover, the theory has accurately predicted and led to the finding of at least a dozen major oil and gas wells deep beneath crystalline rock layers in areas that were rejected and discounted because they were unlikely prospects for those looking for fields where ancient plant and animal life would most likely to have been abundant and buried and crushed over eons of time.

According to the Russians there is no shortage or limit to the amounts that are yet to be found in those much deeper reservoirs which they believe are the actual source through cracks and fissures of what has already been tapped at far lesser depths.

But my authority figures said...

Thanks for the detailed comment.

One thing that I've found interesting having worked in oil and healthcare is that oil wells almost have a pulse when they're first opened. Like it's the equivalent of a mosquito bite, a good spurt that slowly tapers off and dies down, then a pump installed later to keep it flowing.

With the shale/bakken boom, I was on or around numerous locations that were drilled conventionally in the 1940's that they thought had gone dry but sprang to back to life or had pressures increase when other new wells in about a 5 mile radius were fracked. So that sort of tells you that the 1940's reservoirs had a deeper source or it's just a series of reservoirs which means there are probably pockets of oil at all depths.

Also interesting to note, search some of those keywords and you’ll find that people have been “discovering” these caves over and over, earliest article i saw was from the 1950s

"The continent as a whole was much warmer and more humid than it currently is today," says Gulbranson, a professor at University of Wisconsin – Milwaukee. The landscape would have been densely forested with a low-diversity network of resilient plants that could withstand polar extremes, like the boreal forest in present-day Siberia.

"Oddly enough, these field sites would have actually been very close to what their current latitude is," he adds.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/11/ancient-fossil-forest-found-antarctica-gondwana-spd/

Yea, Antarctica was once a continent that resembled the swamps of Florida. What changed was that the ecosystem became dominated by freshwater plants that just sat on the surface of a lake or river and ate up CO2 while producing oxygen. Thanks to this temperatures started falling rapidly and now we got the ice continent.

It's an entrance to the center of the earth.

Hollow Earth

Likely.

Proof?

So you literally admit to having only conjecture and no empirical proof. Thanks!

Can you prove any of these theories as false or not worth looking into? Thanks!

Burden of proof isn't on me.

Burden of proof isn't o OP either as its a Theory. Not a statement of facts.

The OP has no basis of facts to back it up.

And you like to be contrary. That's ok. Just so long as you keep your mind open to possibilities. Good night duff. Enjoy the rest of ya life.

It doesn't matter what I like to be. If you cannot back up your claims you are spewing ignorance.

Copernicus. Fuck off

What about Copernicus?

don't you mean.....

baseless?

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

-Aristotle

Huh? You’re looking for proof in a conspiracy forum? If there was proof it wouldn’t be a conspiracy...

If any of us win the lottery ( 200+million) should get a team and go there

I mean, even if you return empty handed, Antarctica is a freaking beautiful place and well-worth the trip!

Have you been there?!

Not me personally, unfortunately. But I’ve heard some personal accounts and just by watching Planet Earth II, it seems incredible!

wifi sucks up there

down*

Depends on your perspective.

yeah because Australia is known as being "up under"

Hadn't heard that

Down there?

Depends on your perspective doesn't it?

Well until the poles flip again it’s down to most of the world :-)

See ya on the flip side...

Who’s to say that Earth’s north is north in the universe though?

Well to put it another way, does north or south matter at all?

It doesn't matter. Nothing matters. In fact in a little bit, you won't even be matter.

There is no such thing as “north in the universe”. We say south is “down”, but it’s completely arbitrary.

Yeah I know, thanks

It's completely arbitrary since up/down can't really be used when describing the planet.

not really no

Then you have no idea what perspective is.

What's up? Is north up? Or is up elevation? If I am looking south at a mountain top is it up or down?

this whole comment is fucking pants on head retarded. our concept of "up" and "down" is based on the gravitational pull of celestial bodies. up is anything going away from the center of gravity and down is going closer to the center of gravity

Ok. So what is up in the context of what we are talking about? What is up on a map?

there is no up on a map. there are cardinal directions. that's how maps work. that's how maps have always worked.

Ok. Well when I said up i was corrected that it was down. Are you following? Or just randomly picking a fight?

well. there is no down on a map either, so you still wrong. its just a figure of speech, so at this point yes.

Yes what? You were picking a fight?

Why are you hating on my comment? Antarctica is up on my map.

Poles aren't down, they're south and north. Up is space, down is core.

This guy gets it

Found the hollow earth denizen.

Nope

https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-verizon&ei=SH1LW6_uN4ri_AbY1Z6oDw&q=australia+on+top+map&oq=austrilia+on+top&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.1.0.0i13l3j0i22i10i30j33i22i29i30.1569.6328..7360...0.0...564.1913.0j10j5-1......0....1.........0i71j35i39j0i13i30j0i10j0i10i67j46i10j0i8i13i30.dvYFlDFhhvo#imgdii=nK7S4_rMLGWZ5M:&imgrc=_x9MAa2U34_ABM:

I saw Alien V Predator. I’m good, I will stay here you lemme know how it goes lol.

I don't have answers for you, but you may enjoy this:

Men in Black (Russian documentary

Those theories about the flash frozen bodies. Is it possible to create a weapon that instead of creating massive temperatures and obliterating everything around it (nukes), it freezes everything in an X mile radius also preserving everything? Like the opposite of a nuke (and no radiation).

console> set earth.antartica.temp(0)

kick earth.humans(all)
/ragequit

Neutron bombs are probably worth investigating

Is it possible to create a weapon that instead of creating massive temperatures and obliterating everything around it (nukes), it freezes everything in an X mile radius also preserving everything

Not without a major change in our understanding of physics. If we could remove heat like that we would be the most powerful country on the planet due to increased economic efficiently.

Probably be easier to achieve by manipulating the weather

Still not possible. To removing that much heat that quickly simply isn't possible.

No. It's not physically possible.

Yes.

• Drop the pressure. Water will boil until frozen at certain pressures. Also consider water's triple point.
• Create a mixture with chemicals such as long grain alcohol or testosterone to raise the freezing point.
• Hotter or thinner layers of water freeze faster.
• Rapid drop in temperature near a body of water.
• Freezing fog.

I'm getting goosebumps, each of these are scary as hell.

I think the "Strava/Fitbit heat map" showed activity on Antarctica. Not my field of expertise.

https://dailyrabbithole.com/index.php/2018/01/29/tracking-data-by-strava-app-reveals-top-secret-military-bases-in-antarctica-the-shape-of-a-giant-c/

Hah that's a good find, evidence something is going on in a large base.

Except if you actually map the C shaped path onto a globe it isn't nearly as giant looking.

It did but we mapped everything on it to known existing camps unfortunately

In the very least there is a subpen. Im thinking its the place featured in Bioshock. Kinda like the Tomorrowland dimension, but underwater.

If you are going to post stuff like that at least post a source.

I appreciate this. It's not your moral duty to prove to anyone what you suspect. "Have your proof in my inbox by 5, or else." Anyone on /r/conspiracy should practice finding their own sources, multiple sources. Prove it to yourself! Or "debunk" it yourself. Think about degrees of certainty. Arguing on the internet about trustworthy sources is not enough, it's asking strangers to tell you which authority is reliable.

Stop demanding links without trying to find it first! An initial search takes about as much time as a comment.

The theory is objectively false when the right sources are found and thus there's no point in even posting it. Googling for a few minute showed me that the first source ever that claimed the existence of this organism was a British tabloid that quoted people that were probably made up. No official source has ever answered on the topic and a credible newspaper or researcher has never written on it. It says a lot when the first search thst comes up is cryptids wikia page.

I was gonna say, sounds like a good movie. Then I realized it sounds like The Thing.

RIP to the divers if true. Go team human!

Show us a single piece of evidence that this organism exists.

It's supposedly a giant squid or octopus that evolved in isolation for millions of years in a lake that has 10 times concentration of oxygen. It's highly intelligent. It can camouflage & shape change.

Proof?

Use your imagination, and calm down weirdo

Human imagination doesn't meet the standards for something you accept to be true. You need to back it up empirically.

OP never accepted it as truth, though. In fact, OP seems to generally be going out of their way to use words like "supposedly". OP even says further up that it's a stretch, just not a giant one.

All they're saying is that it's possible. The whole point of this post is posting possibilities, some more likely than others.

One of the biggest problems in this sub is that some people seem to believe that if you post a comment or a link about a mere possibility, you must also wholeheartedly believe what you've posted about. That obviously can't happen in a conspiracy sub, but for whatever reason some people expect it anyway.

There are of course people here who do believe things without so much as verifying or researching things on their own, but the vast majority of us are here because we're open minded and love to think about possibilities. The Truth can pop up then and again but also, us looking into every possibility and hypothesis can lead us to the truth.

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/K4wXz

Seems to me like it's just a load lf shit and the whole story was copied from a random blog post by a shitty UK tabloid by a "journalist" that confuses the Arctic and Antarctica.

Yikes! The person simply asking for evidence gets downvoted and this person providing nothing except a personal attack (a childish one at that) gets upvoted.

Well, we’re talking about aliens in Antarctica and this person is demanding proof several times. Best I can do personally is say watch John Carpenter’s The Thing

I get your point. I just didnt like the weirdo insult. Didnt feel it was necessary especially wheb conspiracy theorists deal with being called that insult enough.

Theory does not require proof

interesting that there have been articles recently on how octopuses (octopi?) could actually be aliens.

One of my life bucket list items is to go snowboarding there. Doubt it'll ever happen, but hey a man can dream

Snowboard to the underground Nazi bases, housing crazy military weapons and tech.

Sounds like the opening scene to a bad ass flick.

Do it.

Interesting post!

I am a firm believer that there are remnants (structures and technology) of a previous world-wide civilization there which survived upheaval.

In the future, don't forget the first C.

;)

That's my thought too.

Maybe we lived there at some point and then the poles shifted, making Antarctica a frozen wasteland and thawing out where we live today. Might've happened very fast too, since supposedly there's still a lot if frozen greenage under the ice, and a lot of unfrozen places are still so barren.

Might also explain lost locations like the Garden of Eden or Atlantis

What you just said makes zero logical sense at all.

Another extraordinary claim. Can you provide any evidence for both your claims about Antarctica and an traditional planetary body that defies all of the human races knowledge of orbital mechanics and physics?

Theory does not require proof.

Yes it does? If you want to establish any theory you need empirical proof to back it up otherwise it's just conjecture.

Except there is no evidence to support that this planet has orbited in the solar system in the time frame presented in that link.

When should we expect this mystery planet to show itself again?

The real point is that this is all baseless.

but... there are plenty of bases there

Why are you arguing on the conspiracy subreddit?

Why do expect to be able to say whatever you want and have it go unchallenged just because it's said on a conspiracy sub?

I don’t. I was him why he was.

Nibiru has been debunked so many times. There is a planet out there like Earth but bigger and that’s confirmed but it’s not heading towards us.

If there's no proof it's called a hypothesis

Garden of Eden is located at the bottom of the Persian gulf

http://www.ldolphin.org/eden/

Atlantis

Graham Hancock claimed Antarctica used to be temperate and was the center of a globe spanning empire, preceding and inspiring Sumeria, Egypt, etc. The pole shift concept makes it possible.

Maybe we'll find some Annanaki dwelling there away from us pesky human types.

'pole shift' theory sounds like someone misunderstood the whole thing about magnetic pole shift. The magnetic pole can and does shift due to the internals of the Earth being liquid iron. But this has nothing to do with a physical shift where i.e. the Earth flips over in its orbit and south becomes north etc. A physical shift would require an enormous outside event like another planet crashing into Earth (but that would likely destroy the whole planet anyway).

Actually that's my understanding as well, I appreciate you clarifying that. I was a bit hasty in my comment. It has also been a long time since I read Hancock's books. Through continental drift, or some cataclysmic event, it is possible that the earth shifted somehow to change the climate of Antarctica. I don't find it likely though. I just don't like to rule out things I don't have to. Mostly I wanted the idea of Antarctica being some kind of Lemuria, Atlantis, or cradle of civilization to be on the list of unusual ideas.

Hapgoods theory of pole shift is that the earth wobbles and every so often the wobble gets larger and cause the earth to roll so the poles shift. Not necessarily full north to south but enough to make the poles relocate

That doesn't make any sense taking known laws of physics into account...

Makes sense to some, I read the book and it's seems plausible but I'm no expert. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/564771.The_Path_of_the_Pole

The freezing over of Antarctica happened more than 20 million years ago, though I'm not sure we're the first civilization on this planet so who know what could be found there.

If he claimed that before he's definitely moved away from that stance.

Last I remember, Hancock was big on ayahuasca and less so on the lost civilization destroyed 12k years ago.

That still the case?

Nope. He's all about the Younger Dryas impact theory.

Now with Solar Plasma Discharge.

I haven't seen that claim. Do you recall where you read that?

Been a long time since I read his books.

Here's a statement in his own words: https://grahamhancock.com/horizon-antarctica/

You should listen to him tell it in his own words on the JRE

That's where I was introduced to Graham Hancock. I just don't recall hearing that data point.

Cool. Thanks for compiling. I wasn't endorsing any of Hancock's theories btw, just not prepared to declare things impossible.

By far my favorite conspiracy because of how many other smaller and bigger ones it has the potential to see to.

Thank you for posting this and striking you discussion about it

It’s a fact that something is going on there that the elite doesn’t want us to know.

No, that’s not a fact. That’s a theory.

best conspiracy theories I heard is that it's a place for geo engineering the weather. The o-zone hole is proof of this somehow. And given its central location on the map, maybe it does have large effects on the earth's weather what they do there.

you did your research. There was an entire documentary on YT I saw on it just last week!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=237F1_aLXZ8

Definitively some very dark things happening there. The documentary mentioned in the 1950s that the plan to carve up the Continent and prevent any national aspirations was an early attempt at UN control and "cooperation". Antartica in many ways was the first post national experiment and they had big plans for it.

Central location? It’s about the farthest from anything there is. The North Pole would be much better.

Antarctica *

Theres also the Piri Reis map that shows it with out Ice, impossible for the dating of the map.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piri_Reis_map

they used an older map for reference

Just thought of another one, the claim that the Extra Biblical book of Enoch mentions a Mountain range there.

That it is where the Fallen Angels are Imprisoned, In the book of Enoch, It says they gave man technology, things like Metallurgy, Chemistry, Herbal medicine, etc.

Lots of stuff in that that could correlate with other extra terrestrial and Nazi conspiracies as well.

Apparantly Admiral Byrds personal diary was recently released and he wrote of the hollow earth and an advanced civilization. It apparantly states he was sworn to secrecy but wrote about his encounter in his personal journal so that one day the truth would come out. Either he was bat shit crazy or their is an advanced civilization there.

Oh no I completely agree, I personally do not think he was crazy.

Or ya know, dementia from a myriad of under understood mental disorders and diseases at the time

I've delt with dementia, takong care of someone who had it. The way he wrote was not dementia.

that was just one example, what about schizo spectrum, bipolar, DID, PTSD BPD, substance abuse/or the resulting DTs (which cause audible/visual haluciantions and paranoia?

Meth derivatives were used a lot by the US armed forces at this time, both sanctioned and illicit.

I think the most logical explanation was he possible had an underlying misunderstood (at the time) mental disorder coupled with substance abuse and the resulting DTs and withdraw symptoms.

There are plenty examples of well respected and intelligent people falling to this trap. They are not immune to rambling on about crazy things when they get to this point. They just happen to be in a nicer forum then a 7/11 at 2AM on a Tuesday.

If you saw a tweeker saying the same thing in raggy as clothing in an alley card board box home, i doubt you would give it any credibility

That's why this is interesting, because he was so highly decorated and well respected. While not immune I doubt the govt would entrust a man with these underlyong issues with 4000 troups under his command.

Abstract:

Martha Deane interviews Byrd, his opinion on socialism, power of government, communism and human relations. Additionally Byrd talks about his stay in Antarctica and how he almost died of carbon monoxide poisoning from the stove in his shack during his second expedition to Antarctica (1933-1935).

https://kb.osu.edu/handle/1811/48755

His "visions" at the time of his second expedition were they result of carbon monoxide poisoning.

In this interview he talks about it.

To show just how serious and mind-altering CO poisoning is, there is the well know story on where a redditer was writing notes to himself and he thought it was some else stalking him until until a commentor put two and two together.

https://np.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/34l7vo/ma_postit_notes_left_in_apartment/cqvrdz6/?context=3

Right, i mean what other reason would you need two destroyers a sub and an aircraft carrier? THe supply ships, tenders and icebreakers are understandable for the climate, and distance from port.

This may interest you.

https://youtu.be/JJWyxSlkYcM

Admiral Byrds personal diary

Where could I find this ? The ones on amazon don't seem legit

I googled it personally. As with everything on the internet I do take it with a grain of salt. Thats why I say apparantly. I didnt buy a copy just read about it and watched a video of it being read.

Good post but ITT a lot of people here don't know the difference between and theory and a hypothesis.

Yes I understand the vernacular. Just trying to point out that a theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world. While a hypothesis, is just that, an unsupported a guess.

The word "theory" isn't used exclusively to mean a scientific theory. The scientific use of the word "theory" was adopted from popular use of the word, not vice-versa

I've been there's nothing there.... Sorry

Pack it up guys. This person charted and documented the entire continent of Antarctica. A landmass bigger than the entire United States.

I'm in for 1-5 and 8

Atlantis is there.

I speculate/theorize there is a supervolcano there, they can call it a mantle plume but I see it as a supervolcano, there are also tons of volcano's already present on Antarctica.

That explains the volcanic winter, but does NOT explain how there is soo much ice/water built up, so my theory is cool, but likely not the culprit.

The volcanic event was likely a secondary event caused by the true cause of the water/ice buildup, like the younger dryas event or something.....

But..... who knows?

A great video to watch...https://youtu.be/5LxdVW6AuPg

The reason travel to Antartica is discouraged is because 1. Its a difficult place to get to and the southern ocean is a dangerous place making help for rescues hard to come by and 2. Once there it is an inhospitable sparsely populated place making it difficult to survive and get help if you need a rescue.

But yeah go there and have a look around and get into some trouble costing some country you don’t pay taxes too millions trying to save you and your dumb ass.

I can't believe this is getting downvoted. I know we're in /r/conspiracy and we all want to believe, but Antarctica is a massive continent covered in fucking ice and constantly being battered by gale force winds. No shit people aren't strolling all over it. The nearest city is like a thousand miles away.

There might be something interesting there, but the 'official story' isn't exactly ludicrous. It might really be a frozen wasteland. That isn't hard to believe

Great post.

Nice post!

I love compilations like this

The Piri Reis map was compiled from other sources and depicts Antarctica accurately without ice. This is something that was only recently achieved technologically, mapping under the ice of Antarctica. So the question arises, how the hell did they map it way back then.

Or the map is a hoax? Honestly that’s is the best explanation

It doesn’t depict Antarctica accurately.

The map doesn't even depict the coast of Spain accurately. The logical and probably true explanation is that the Antarctica that we see on the map is actually Southern America since the map shows 'Antarctica' and SA connecting. The map is probably like this because the map was compiled from different sources and not because Piri Reis himself visited these lands.

great thread. i love reading about the conspiracies around Antarctica. so much mystery down there i had no idea about, this had so many things i never heard of.

the poles aren't no fly zones. you just have to have more then 2 engines in case one fails

well in the event of a single engine failure a plane over land has a small chance to make an emergency landing and even if it crashes its most likely in a place than it can be recovered in a timely manner. In either of the poles, you tend to be thousands of miles any from any sort of help or recovery, thats why you need 3 or more engines to cross a pole.

Also why the fucking is all that is quotes? does you not know how those work or are you so crazy you thinks all those are fake?

okay. i see that im having a conversation with a retard so ill stop here.

They are not wrong about your use of quotation marks, though. Makes your comments very weird to read.

Whenever there are "BS" rules in place, I always wonder "why"?

Well in this case it could easily be attributed to "we don't want people to crash and die at the poles where rescue operations are way more difficult and survival is less likely".

I'll preface this by saying I have no prior knowledge regarding any of this. Doing a quick search, I can't find any mention that twin-engine planes are specifically barred from flying over the Arctic, but based on travel distance to a suitable airport.

That would include Trans-Pacific flights but I'll be honest in that I'm at work and don't care all that much to dig into it further. Look up ETOPS which appears to be the basis of the claim.

Either way, not sure what the implication of the statement is, true or not.

Can't say I believe most of it, but very interesting post nonetheless! In regards to fallen angels, I'd lile to think they're trapped within thirty pieces of silver.

Great post, interesting reading.

Is it possible life started in the poles and migrated to the other continents due to weather

No it's not, when life started only one continent existed, and that was Pangea which Antarctica was a part of.

It's spelled ANTARCTICA and is pronounced just like it is spelled.

Not ANT-ARTICA.

My first reaction... thank you.

Google isn't helping me find any sites on organism 46-b that aren't obviously just there to collect ad revenue from people looking for information on conspiracies (you know the ones that have articles on every possible conspiracy you can think of, you know trash sites without standards). Care to provide a link to site that isn't pure cancer?

Try DuckDuckGo maybe

That site seems to think it was definitely a hoax. I have to agree, The details read like a cheesy horror movie.

Look deeper into it

what if they discovered some technologies and more importantly a history book written by these advanced beings?

what if things (tech) got so advanced in their history that things such as a nuclear bombs can easily be made by the populace at their stage of technological progress?

what if these issues caused their leaders to execute and get rid of all "morally impure" beings and their society was such a dystopia that made 1984 seem like childsplay?

what if...they are supressing these artifacts, history books, and tech to stop humanity from repeating this mistake? what if keeping these secrets exceed the value of one whisleblower?

things seem to be at a standstill in terms of technological progress. moore's law is dead. free energy is supressed. most in guise of artificial slowdown of progress for squeezing the most profit from smallest of incremental advancements. that might just be a cloak over another cloak. something bigger going on.

I've heard about the "shady theories" surrounding Antarctica before, but mainly just the "flat Earth" one from one of Shane Dawson's YouTube videos (lol). Thanks for such an in-depth post, this is definitely one of my new favorite conspiracy theories

What are the minimum specs of a boat required to go there?

Apparently people still sail there. I found this article: http://www.bwsailing.com/bw/cruising-news/antarctica-on-our-own/

The point that sticks out to me is the need to have a dingy ahead of your yacht to guide the bigger boat through the ice.

And the main risk seems to be lack of proper planning, like the guys in this story: https://www.yachtingworld.com/blogs/elaine-bunting/antarctic-deaths-enormous-ramifications-6330

Another ‘conspiracy’ factor to consider is if ‘they’ make you disappear, it would bring attention to the area and likely search parties would converge to where you disappeared...

Thanks for more info on #11. I've heard about kirill/the Pope meeting and rumors it was about the ark. This is the first I'm hearing about Saudi Arabia and connecting the stampede to it.

He allegedly jumped out of the window of the psychiatric ward in Maryland shortly after "Operation Highjump"

Odd coincidence, if true.

Oh I completely agree, I was referring to the name "highjump" preceding a man jumping from a high place.

I had been thinking that they are building a large bunker to protect a group of people from solar flares that may wipe out most of the human race. My thinking was that they would house government leaders , the pope , and other people who may be able to help maintain humanity and rebuild if and when it’s safe to re-emerge.

This is getting a little deeper but this may also be why Elon Musk is trying so passionately to get things going on Mars. Maybe he wants to see if he can evacuate people and sustain them on his base there.

I guess I was thinking more about coronal mass ejections. Maybe they wouldn’t cause deaths directly but they would indirectly through just shear chaos. Antarctica, being as difficult as it is to get there without t technology, would be a safe place.

Most likely?

In the frozen lakes they found biological material like viruses and bacteria that humans have never been exposed to. Super weapons. Think about it.

Tbh, that sounds like some made up b.s. I am talking about bacteria and viruses we have no immunity to, not large organisms.

Like how it could inject venom through the water to the divers that were 150ft away even though the divers would have been wearing completely sealed DrySuits.

Now this is the kind of stuff I come on /r/conspiracy for! Leave then politics to the sheeple in politics/T_D

Well keep this effort up mate! We need more quality content like this around here. It’s topics like this that make this place worthwhile

Wrong direction, we built more stuff in the north.

Do you have any more information or evidence about #11 dealing with the Ark? That's all new news to me and I'd love to learn more

Interesting post but organism 46-B sounds like a load of shit. I can't gind any official sources on its existence, the best I get are Youtube videos with a bots voiceover and irrelevant websites. The story saying that it could paralyze foes from 150 feet away, disable communications and strangle someone with a dismembered limb sound fantastical af.

Is there any other source at all for Buzz Aldrin's tweet? Would love to verify!

I’ve always wondered about biblical references to being trapped beneath a great desert. Knowing barren icy steppes qualify as desserts too.

That's...not proof of your claim.

But my authority figures said...

Thanks for the detailed comment.

The mind boggles. March of the Penguins takes on new meaning.

A colloquial theory is a scientific hypothesis.

One thing that I've found interesting having worked in oil and healthcare is that oil wells almost have a pulse when they're first opened. Like it's the equivalent of a mosquito bite, a good spurt that slowly tapers off and dies down, then a pump installed later to keep it flowing.

With the shale/bakken boom, I was on or around numerous locations that were drilled conventionally in the 1940's that they thought had gone dry but sprang to back to life or had pressures increase when other new wells in about a 5 mile radius were fracked. So that sort of tells you that the 1940's reservoirs had a deeper source or it's just a series of reservoirs which means there are probably pockets of oil at all depths.

Awesome! Agreed.

If a flock of birds can move as one (seriously, watch sandpipers or another aerial acrobat swarm species) then it points to something like a morphic field. A near instantaneous transfer of energy / information. If the little birdies can do it, why can't we? And what if our electromagnetic fields are something MORE, something wonderful than meat and electricity? Our brains and nervous systems are electromagnetic says mainstream science. Electromagnetic fields extend and interact with fields beyond our skin and biological cells. Yet say that on the streets and you will be spat upon for blaspheming the white lab coat father teacher god that tells them how to think.

So... if there are different kinds of herds, therefore different morphic fields, what's up with hominid fields? What if we, plus all the little birdies and bacteria, make up a collective connected energy field that makes shit happen? What if we are all partly responsible for the state of the world because we are all part of it? And what if that's the closest thing we have to god, an ever changing, mostly unseen field with countless inputs?

A loving god with absolute power and knowledge would not make or allow such a world as this.

We have been taught we have to pick between loving and strong, competent and vulnerable, blue or red, nerd or jock. Or just one identity, as if you are only what society uses you for. I'm Joe, the mechanic. I'm Joel, the accountant. Fuck that. So much has been twisted and hidden.

This looks like the planet of the apes, of self serving desires. All living creatures live, by definition, they try to survive. To do that they follow instinct to meet their needs. I manipulate my dog's instincts to lead it to behavior patterns I want. In this case I my training ultimately makes the dog more secure and happier than if I just let it "be natural" meaning confined in a house but neglected. I manipulate the dog with treats and deliberately timed praise, in turn it is manipulating me to provide more treats and praise. It's a symbiotic relationship where we both benefit, therefore it is ethical. The dog and I negotiate what we will give and get. Benevolent manipulation can exist. But I wouldn't say the dog has complete "free will" as if it were deciding rationally and spiritually to follow the treat biscuit each moment. Oh we're so different, eh? Well we are far from the only species to use tools, have a language, or love their families. If I haven't eaten all day, then ya wave a cheesecake slice near me, I'm willing to listen. Probably start salivating as my cheesecake memories and cheesecake reflexes kick in, nostrils fare with eagerness as more senses are engaged, and the bacteria in my gut that feeds off lactose, glucose what he you do what they can to influence on a chemical level. Energy is life so I better get that treat.

But... I could say no to that slice of pie, or pussy, whatever. Having elevated myself above the level of a toddler, sometimes I exercise discipline. Ultimately human actions and emotional reactions are tied to survival or reproduction instincts in some way, sometgni that helped our ancestors DNA (and possibly more) survive and change based on trial and error in a changing world. Stuff like insults and shaming is still tied to survival and reproduction of DNA, because of the ear of being banished from he tribe having your resources limited. In some circumstances banishment is a literal threat too, as more than one "runaway:" could tell you. Our entertainment is usually people fucking, killing, swindling each other on screens, or mock war like in football. Survival stuff. Can't get out of animal mode as a world, not yet. Because the very real human tyrants that act in the name of God or the name of the dollar fuck us all up so we are easier to control. As if we are video game peons from a captured tribe. I open the HOLY bible and find story after stry of conquest and genocide and slavery done at the hands of the Hebrews. But God's ordered killings are nothing compared to the direct, active, conscious murders of han beings the story describes. The book "Drunk with Blood" counts them up. Something round 25 million is the estimate. Then Jesus doesn't execute but is all too ready to send people to Hellfire. Even curses a fig tree for not bearing fruit out season. Like what the fuck is this? I remember being a boy, learnign the word whore at age 10 from Genesis, not the only WTF moment. And I'm not Jewish so why is my whole family and town obsessed with Jewish legends?

I just want to be a good person. Without all the mishmash of mespotamian campfire stories inspired by temple prostitutes and abusive father figures. Not always easy in this world. It doesn't help that a Luciferian network is only one of many competing criminal empires that have infiltrated religion, politics, business, war, and all levels of society.

What's a boy to do?

Snowboard to the underground Nazi bases, housing crazy military weapons and tech.

Sounds like the opening scene to a bad ass flick.

Do it.

The ice is 2 km thick in the main plateau, so I’d say no.