Dual citizenship for politicians .. really?
1 2018-07-17 by KnowledgeGoblin
Dual citizenship for politicians seems like a huge red flag to me. Why is this allowed?
A politician for any country should surely be a 100% citizen of the country??
Just seems like a no brainer to me but yet, that's not the case?
54 comments
1 TheMightyDontKneelM 2018-07-17
In Australia we just had a massive thing about that, its so fucked up.
1 KnowledgeGoblin 2018-07-17
Yeah I followed that a little .. all started with an New Zealand lawyer researching something from what I remember?
1 treeintheforrest 2018-07-17
notice how all the dual citizenship about tony coalmuncher having british/aussie never caught a mention then, but was massive news when he was PM..
1 KnowledgeGoblin 2018-07-17
really doesn't matter who or what party or what other country imo.
No countries politicians should not have dual citizenship
1 FartfullyYours 2018-07-17
Theyve dumbed the American public down so much, they could probably ins make Israeli citizenship a condition for holding office and they wouldn't even notice.
1 MstrSmitty 2018-07-17
Oh boy. This topic is quite the rabbit hole. It isn't solely rooted in politics either, they have their hooks in a huge majority of the Christian population as well. Has them ignoring etymology and everything because it's so ingrained.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/169/all-info
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/198/text?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22combatting+europe+anti-semitism%22%5D%7D&r=2
https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Antisemitism/South-Carolina-takes-important-step-toward-antisemitism-bill-551261
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/us-bill-conflates-criticism-israel-anti-semitism-rights-advocates-say-1781599222
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-south-carolina-antisemitism/south-carolina-passes-bill-to-fight-anti-semitism-on-campus-idUSKBN1I41JC
Just a little compilation of sources on attempts to slide anti semitism laws into place in America.
1 UncleSnake3301 2018-07-17
A lot of them already do hold dual citizenship in Israel. It’s ridiculous.
1 ClassicFives 2018-07-17
Bullshit. Show me who.
1 PizzaPartyAtSkippys 2018-07-17
Youd think a foreign country controlling America's entire media and banking industry would be concerning too. Imagine if Russians controlled our money supply via Fed Reserve while brainwashing our youth with Marxist trash.
1 KnowledgeGoblin 2018-07-17
I think I get what you are hinting at but that is not what my post is about.
The whole dual citizenship for any politician in any country is just wrong.
1 turtlew0rk 2018-07-17
What if the Russians exaggerated claims of ethnic cleansing done to them, while doing something similar to a different people?
1 KnowledgeGoblin 2018-07-17
?
1 turtlew0rk 2018-07-17
Hypothetical
1 MstrSmitty 2018-07-17
Is this a Holodomor reference? God I hope it's a Holodomor reference. I'd love you for it.
1 Horadric-Cube 2018-07-17
Holomodor is mostly on ukrainians though isnt it? Though more than a few russians were starved alongside them
1 MstrSmitty 2018-07-17
It was an old USSR thing, though yes, it centered in Ukraine.
1 Green_TeaRoll 2018-07-17
RUSSIANS!
1 turtlew0rk 2018-07-17
Which country in particular is a concern?
1 KnowledgeGoblin 2018-07-17
Any country that allows dual citizenship for their politicians.
Seems quite suspect to me .. in the corporate sort of sense I guess?
1 turtlew0rk 2018-07-17
Ok...just checkin. Lol
1 KnowledgeGoblin 2018-07-17
which country where you expecting? Lol
1 turtlew0rk 2018-07-17
Err uh....Russia!
1 KnowledgeGoblin 2018-07-17
;)
1 FreonPurple 2018-07-17
I S R A E L
1 turtlew0rk 2018-07-17
Hey woa!
1 FreonPurple 2018-07-17
Please excuse the anti-semitism
1 turtlew0rk 2018-07-17
Hey it happens.
1 MstrSmitty 2018-07-17
It's a huge red flag and I'm highly against it. You should not be able to be in US politics if you have foreign citizenship.
Doesn't matter who: Israel, Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc. It's a perversion of our system.
1 KnowledgeGoblin 2018-07-17
I agree 100%
ANY country should ensure that their representatives are actually citizens of their country
1 MstrSmitty 2018-07-17
Same here, multiple citizenships only calls their true loyalties into question.
1 KnowledgeGoblin 2018-07-17
nailed it
1 peigur 2018-07-17
Israel doesn't even have an extradition treaty with the USA. Crooks can take refuge there.
1 Loose-ends 2018-07-17
As far as I'm aware the only dual citizens who can participate in US politics are those with a dual US/Israeli citizenship.
Anyone else must be strictly a US citizen and renounce any claims of citizenship or affiliations with any other country that they were either born in or were previously citizens of.
1 MstrSmitty 2018-07-17
See, the problem with that is the rabids coming at you for anti-semetism if you decide to single them out.
Honestly, otherwise I would have, because the singular country we have the most issues with in regards to the sheer amount of dual citizenship carriers is Israel.
1 Loose-ends 2018-07-17
Stating the truth is hardly singling them out. They're the ones that a highly unusual exception was mysteriously put in place for and no one can faithfully serve two masters at the same time.
It's a clear conflict in determining where their loyalty lies when push comes to shove and they have a clear conflict of interest in any issues that may concern Israel that they don't recuse themselves from participating or taking any part in, just the opposite, in fact.
1 MstrSmitty 2018-07-17
I completely agree with you, I was just explaining the reason I worded it the way I did. I've suffered a lot of bans for anti-Israel speech, and lots of pushback so it has just become a precaution.
1 dj10show 2018-07-17
Unbelievable. They basically just mushroom stamp us in the face and then pull the "anti-Semitism" card if we dare question why.
1 asjdnfasldfnasl 2018-07-17
Is it really illegal to have dual citizenship unless it's israeli? Screw that.
1 KnowledgeGoblin 2018-07-17
I wasn't aware of that and I wonder why this is the case.
If anyone could explain this seemingly bizarre exception to the rule I'd be very interested.
No rants or emotion plz .. I am interested in the specific/actual reasons.
1 MrMarmot 2018-07-17
The founders of Israel control our money supply, and the U.S. is the "constabulary" of the NWO, which wishes (or at least did) to have its headquarters in Jerusalem. So, yeah, Israeli nationals have a special place above those of any other country.
1 themadhat1 2018-07-17
its already illegal. something like 25% of senators are Israeli dual citizens.
1 SushiChefNL 2018-07-17
Here in the Netherlands we also have politicians who also have Turkish or other nationality.
Most people act like it is normal and a couple of bills (with the purpose to make the politicians give up the second nationality) did not got enough votes.
Strange times indeed
1 KnowledgeGoblin 2018-07-17
Very strange.
1 pantsonakangaroo 2018-07-17
Just seems shady and opens the door for a whole new level of corruption. There was an image floating around a few years ago with a fairly bi-partisan list of US politicians who supposedly had dual US/Israel citizenship. Wasn't quite sure on how to verify the accuracy of that list, so I never put much stock in it.
1 KnowledgeGoblin 2018-07-17
It does seem shady and def opens up a whole new level of conflicted loyalties imo
1 d3rr 2018-07-17
I'm not sure if that citizenship information is even public. We should require disclosure by law and have loalty oaths.
1 pantsonakangaroo 2018-07-17
I'm sure you're right and it's probably for privacy reasons. Searched around a few times but that proved to be pointless and lead me to sources that were questionable at best.
As far as disclosure goes, I agree completely. Each public official generally has their own bio page on a governmental website somewhere.
One would think the loyalty oath part should be covered under the current oaths of office:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_office#United_States
1 Jaggan91 2018-07-17
Yeah I dont understand why you see this as a problem at all.
1 ah_pook_ah 2018-07-17
DESTROY ALL NATIONS
1 know_comment 2018-07-17
do you have any evidence that there are dual citizens in government?
1 Opi8sevol 2018-07-17
It's a wild ride for sure. If trump was a dual us/russian citizen there would be a massive uproar. But many top politicians are dual us/israeli citizens and it's supposed to be OK? Israel has there fingers deeper in our ass than Russia could ever dream.
1 mycoolaccount 2018-07-17
Low level jobs that require a security clearance don't even allow dual citizenship. You'd think it'd apply to all levels.
1 yoshiary 2018-07-17
A country cannot control citizenship status of other countries for individuals. If Billy is a Mexican citizen and a Canadian citizen, Canada cannot infringe upon a specific right purely because he is also Mexican. Citizenship is a legal status. It's not like a cup that can only be filled to the brim with one liquid. It's multiple cups.
If voters have a problem with it, they can make it be known during a campaign and vote against it.
1 hidflect1 2018-07-17
It's not allowed in Australia. You have to renounce the foreign citizenship. But in the USA you have so many politicians embedded with loyalties to another country...
1 pantsonakangaroo 2018-07-17
I'm sure you're right and it's probably for privacy reasons. Searched around a few times but that proved to be pointless and lead me to sources that were questionable at best.
As far as disclosure goes, I agree completely. Each public official generally has their own bio page on a governmental website somewhere.
One would think the loyalty oath part should be covered under the current oaths of office:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_office#United_States