Dual citizenship for politicians .. really?

1  2018-07-17 by KnowledgeGoblin

Dual citizenship for politicians seems like a huge red flag to me. Why is this allowed?
A politician for any country should surely be a 100% citizen of the country??
Just seems like a no brainer to me but yet, that's not the case?

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In Australia we just had a massive thing about that, its so fucked up.

Yeah I followed that a little .. all started with an New Zealand lawyer researching something from what I remember?

notice how all the dual citizenship about tony coalmuncher having british/aussie never caught a mention then, but was massive news when he was PM..

really doesn't matter who or what party or what other country imo.
No countries politicians should not have dual citizenship

Theyve dumbed the American public down so much, they could probably ins make Israeli citizenship a condition for holding office and they wouldn't even notice.

A lot of them already do hold dual citizenship in Israel. It’s ridiculous.

Bullshit. Show me who.

Youd think a foreign country controlling America's entire media and banking industry would be concerning too. Imagine if Russians controlled our money supply via Fed Reserve while brainwashing our youth with Marxist trash.

I think I get what you are hinting at but that is not what my post is about.
The whole dual citizenship for any politician in any country is just wrong.

What if the Russians exaggerated claims of ethnic cleansing done to them, while doing something similar to a different people?

?

Hypothetical

Is this a Holodomor reference? God I hope it's a Holodomor reference. I'd love you for it.

Holomodor is mostly on ukrainians though isnt it? Though more than a few russians were starved alongside them

It was an old USSR thing, though yes, it centered in Ukraine.

RUSSIANS!

Which country in particular is a concern?

Any country that allows dual citizenship for their politicians.
Seems quite suspect to me .. in the corporate sort of sense I guess?

Ok...just checkin. Lol

which country where you expecting? Lol

Err uh....Russia!

;)

I S R A E L

Hey woa!

Please excuse the anti-semitism

Hey it happens.

It's a huge red flag and I'm highly against it. You should not be able to be in US politics if you have foreign citizenship.

Doesn't matter who: Israel, Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc. It's a perversion of our system.

I agree 100%
ANY country should ensure that their representatives are actually citizens of their country

Same here, multiple citizenships only calls their true loyalties into question.

nailed it

Israel doesn't even have an extradition treaty with the USA. Crooks can take refuge there.

As far as I'm aware the only dual citizens who can participate in US politics are those with a dual US/Israeli citizenship.

Anyone else must be strictly a US citizen and renounce any claims of citizenship or affiliations with any other country that they were either born in or were previously citizens of.

See, the problem with that is the rabids coming at you for anti-semetism if you decide to single them out.

Honestly, otherwise I would have, because the singular country we have the most issues with in regards to the sheer amount of dual citizenship carriers is Israel.

Stating the truth is hardly singling them out. They're the ones that a highly unusual exception was mysteriously put in place for and no one can faithfully serve two masters at the same time.

It's a clear conflict in determining where their loyalty lies when push comes to shove and they have a clear conflict of interest in any issues that may concern Israel that they don't recuse themselves from participating or taking any part in, just the opposite, in fact.

I completely agree with you, I was just explaining the reason I worded it the way I did. I've suffered a lot of bans for anti-Israel speech, and lots of pushback so it has just become a precaution.

Unbelievable. They basically just mushroom stamp us in the face and then pull the "anti-Semitism" card if we dare question why.

Is it really illegal to have dual citizenship unless it's israeli? Screw that.

I wasn't aware of that and I wonder why this is the case.

If anyone could explain this seemingly bizarre exception to the rule I'd be very interested.

No rants or emotion plz .. I am interested in the specific/actual reasons.

The founders of Israel control our money supply, and the U.S. is the "constabulary" of the NWO, which wishes (or at least did) to have its headquarters in Jerusalem. So, yeah, Israeli nationals have a special place above those of any other country.

its already illegal. something like 25% of senators are Israeli dual citizens.

Here in the Netherlands we also have politicians who also have Turkish or other nationality.

Most people act like it is normal and a couple of bills (with the purpose to make the politicians give up the second nationality) did not got enough votes.

Strange times indeed

Very strange.

Just seems shady and opens the door for a whole new level of corruption. There was an image floating around a few years ago with a fairly bi-partisan list of US politicians who supposedly had dual US/Israel citizenship. Wasn't quite sure on how to verify the accuracy of that list, so I never put much stock in it.

It does seem shady and def opens up a whole new level of conflicted loyalties imo

I'm not sure if that citizenship information is even public. We should require disclosure by law and have loalty oaths.

I'm sure you're right and it's probably for privacy reasons. Searched around a few times but that proved to be pointless and lead me to sources that were questionable at best.

We should require disclosure by law and have loalty oaths.

As far as disclosure goes, I agree completely. Each public official generally has their own bio page on a governmental website somewhere.

One would think the loyalty oath part should be covered under the current oaths of office:

I, (name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.[80]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_office#United_States

Yeah I dont understand why you see this as a problem at all.

DESTROY ALL NATIONS

do you have any evidence that there are dual citizens in government?

It's a wild ride for sure. If trump was a dual us/russian citizen there would be a massive uproar. But many top politicians are dual us/israeli citizens and it's supposed to be OK? Israel has there fingers deeper in our ass than Russia could ever dream.

Low level jobs that require a security clearance don't even allow dual citizenship. You'd think it'd apply to all levels.

A country cannot control citizenship status of other countries for individuals. If Billy is a Mexican citizen and a Canadian citizen, Canada cannot infringe upon a specific right purely because he is also Mexican. Citizenship is a legal status. It's not like a cup that can only be filled to the brim with one liquid. It's multiple cups.

If voters have a problem with it, they can make it be known during a campaign and vote against it.

It's not allowed in Australia. You have to renounce the foreign citizenship. But in the USA you have so many politicians embedded with loyalties to another country...

I'm sure you're right and it's probably for privacy reasons. Searched around a few times but that proved to be pointless and lead me to sources that were questionable at best.

We should require disclosure by law and have loalty oaths.

As far as disclosure goes, I agree completely. Each public official generally has their own bio page on a governmental website somewhere.

One would think the loyalty oath part should be covered under the current oaths of office:

I, (name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.[80]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_office#United_States