Hardest press I've ever seen.

It almost feels like there is a Cold Civil War going on inside the US. And I wouldn't be surprised if this would turn into a real Civil War soon. But it is unclear to me who is actually in control of anything right now.

That's what the media seems to be pushing for.

I would love to see sources that don't come from "Information Clearing House". I'm not saying there isn't an argument to be made, but at least source legitimate sources.

When you can't debunk the argument, attack the messenger.

you expect sources like cnn here? its /r/conspiracy, not /r/politics

ICH has a good reputation. Your comment is the kind of intellectual laziness I've been seeing more often here.

We should press more sanctions against Russia.

Oh please. Russia doesn't want war with the US - they would be annihilated. And they aren't stupid or suicidal. They'll cut a lot of bullshit when we put more pressure on them. If they want the sanctions lifted, they can stop fucking around with our elections.

Poor little Murica, they ain't done nothing to nobody to deserve sum body comin' in and meddlin' wit theys elections. All dem dank memes ruin everyting, why can't Rushia just let the peeple vote in da person who den gets some muney from big companies and does what dem company folk tells dem to do!

Murica! Leave dem alone! Dey ain't hurt nobody!

Aww, you're a special little guy, aren't you?

So PC of you.

Thank you - I do try.

Nobody is going to start a nuclear war over sanctions. Don't be such a coward.

It's not unnecessary. They will only ramp up their efforts.

Efforts to destabilize the USA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

I guess Russia initiated the financial crisis of 2008 as well. Lot of people lost their savings, jobs, possessions, and still had to bail out the banks to the tune of $1 Trillion only to find out that the crisis was knowingly engineered. The real kicker is, nobody went to jail and a lot of already rich folks got even richer off it because the politicians everybody voted in, are on their payrolls! Yay Functional Democracy! Good thing we have elections!

Oh wait, that wasn't Russia...

I agree and thankfully, nobody really gives a shit about this conspiracy theory about collusion/meddling or whatever the narrative is today other than politicians and the talking heads on the television.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-19/gallup-shows-how-much-americans-really-care-about-situation-russia

The best thing about using that Gallup poll is that you can dismiss anything simply because not a single item of the 30 selections got even 25% of the vote. Think Immigration is a problem, well it’s not because only 23% of Americans think it’s the most pressing issue today. Guess less than 1 in 4 give a shit about Trump’s signature policy.

Sure. But that doesn't mean that foreign powers aren't playing the game, too - as you've pointed out, the US government is guilty of this as well. And Russia's plan is well documented in that book. It's amazing - you can watch it play out line by line. They are very effective, which is what makes them so dangerous to leave unchecked.

On what in particular?

Whatever will have the most damaging and targeted effect on their economy.

That's malicious. Why would you want to see Russian children starve?

That money will go elsewhere, where there are presumably already starving children. So the the total number of starving children won't change. I'm okay with that.

What the fuck. We are talking about human children starving to death and you're okay with that? I'm sure the numbers under Putin are the same as under the USSR. Because communism works!

If the Russian people decide not to support their poor and hungry in a time of economic downturn, so be it - that's their problem. Again, there would be very clear and fair terms for lifting the sanctions. And if Russia wants to sanction us back, fair play!

Oh now it's the Russian people not their governments fault?

A government is composed of people.

Beurocracy's aren't human.

A bureaucracy cannot act without people acting.

Oh? So just following order is okay now?

What do you mean?

Regardless, you're talking about staring children as a matter of geopolitical strategy.

No, I'm talking about sanctioning Russia. If they allow that to cause their children to starve, the responsibility lies squarely with them. Putin could feed the country with his oil fortune if he so chose. Or, of course, they can negotiate an end to the sanctions with us. Not a single child has to starve.

Why did President Trump reinstate sanctions on Iran that could have the same effect on Iranian children?

Because he's a tool of Israel.

There are still a few real people here. ;D

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You mean like Iraq when US sanctions killed 500,000 children and Madeline Albright said it was worth it? Like that? Because youre such a great humanitarian country....

This is why Russia will come to the bargaining table.

What's your opinion on gun control in the United States?

I think it is absurd that private citizens are prohibited from owning nuclear ICBMs. This is clearly unconstitutional (and I challenge anyone to show me otherwise).

An ICBM is a gun? I asked about gun control.

I think I made myself clear: there can be no restrictions on the ownership of arms. Not unless the constitution is amended.

Ah so you're one of those...

What's your opinion on gun control?

That it's a social construct.

Do you want there to be restrictions on the ownership of arms, or no?

What I want is irrelevant. What the law calls for is very clear.

It's not irrelevant, assuming you vote. What do you want? I agree that the law is clear, but laws are like water in more ways than one.

To what end goal?

Cessation of electronic warfare.

From whom, and against whom?

Take a wild guess based on the subject of this conversation.

Struggling to understand the relevance to the post which is why I asked for clarification

I'm sorry to hear that. I don't know how to help you.

Let me summarize where procgen goes with this:

We need to sanction Russia, risk nuclear war, starve Russian children....

Because his party lost an election.

Hopefully your shoddy strawman encourages people to read my comments to find out just how despicable I am 😉

Say what you will about flat-Earthers/Reptilian theorists; at least their ramblings are harmless.

Ain't that the truth. Holocaust Revision, Apollo hoax, who does it hurt? People's feelings maybe. But if they're actually true, why would anyone involved give a damn that crazy people think they aren't?

Meanwhile, WMDs, Islamic 9/11 hijackers, Russian collusion, etc. are all conspiracies that are extremely harmful to the entire world.

Holocaust Revision... who does it hurt?

Is that a serious question?

When Auschwitz engages in Holocaust Revision, what harm did it do to anyone? Did it affect the official narrative one bit?

wait youre suggesting hes bein played by the us gov ?

No matter what anyone has to say about the US intelligence community, who they support, who pays them, who really runs the show or all of the nefarious things they have done over the years. (which is a lot, news flash, you don't become a global super power without getting your hands dirty)

None of that changes the fact that the GOP has been obviously on the take by laundering dirty foreign money through the NRA into their coffers. This whole "don't trust the deep state" meme is all propaganda to cover their ass. That party had no fucking problem with the deep state when WMD's were found. Mostly every American I knew then supported that shit, and now suddenly these same people can't trust the law enforcement agencies that caught them with their hand in the Kremlin cookie jar?

What do you think that money buys those foreign interests? So far to me it looks like it's bought them a vast network of anti American propaganda to brainwash the population of the US. Rush Limbaugh has been screaming into his microphone for fucking 30 years about how evil the system that he has become fat and happy on is.

Where is this America first crowd that was so prominent during 2016? The same people who supported that flag waving bullshit are actively trying to tear down the fabric of the nation by throwing the baby out with the bath water and attacking the institutions that bring the rule of law to a democracy.

You know what? Yes, the CIA, the FBI and US/Global deep politics exist and do nasty, evil, rotten things. So does every other country in every other part of the world. Ever see a mob boss climb the ladder without blood on his hands?

I'm fucking American and I happen to have been shot out of a vagina here. Supporting violence and evil is part of the fucking deal if you eat, fuck, and shit here and call it your home. Every single luxury any American has ever been afforded has come from violence from day one. Pretending like it hasn't is a joke.

All of this moral high ground bullshit that is suddenly against everything the intelligence community has ever done is hypocritical and a smoke screen for the bad actors that happen to be caught in the cross hairs right now.

Congrats, if you're American you live high on the hog from your country crushing others. This comes as a surprise now? Give me a break.

Are you American? If so, congrats. You have blood on your hands too just by living here. And good luck dismantling an ingrained global power structure that has been in place since ancient times from behind a computer screen.

The fact is the criminals are all fine and dandy with the corruption when it's rolling their way, they only cry foul when it doesn't.

If you live in America you support imperialism 100% if you've ever paid one cent in taxes. Pretending you don't might help you sleep at night but don't kid yourself. That bed you lay your head down on was paid for in blood.

This isn't 1740 anymore. I don't see the population rising up against a trillion dollar war machine any time soon. Too much Netflix to watch.

I hope you can sleep at night, blaming entire racial and ethnic groups for your problems.

What?! I haven't mention race once here.

I don't see the population rising up against a trillion dollar war machine any time soon.

It seems the anti-Trumpers are actually begging for war with Russia. The war propaganda is very strong and many have fallen for it.

That quote has absolutely nothing to do with war with Russia. That statement was in response to a post saying the people have the power against the global power structure.

Where has your Trump hate come from? The mueller investigation says Russia organized many of the ant-Trump protests. Have you fallen for Russian propaganda? https://i.redditmedia.com/QhrVWJewRtPBDlqKrmVgFhIRpwHka_I9vPjuTyo-ATo.png?w=702&s=88ec0b2682f92edbe8ed25c5f87db34b

It's well known Russia trolls both sides to further division.

Trump is just too divisive to be a good president imo. The president should unite the population to make the country strong. Not sow division for political ends.

Quite frankly the job is way above his mental capabilities and he struggles with the most basic parts of the job. For instance who is in NATO or who is an ally and I don't know, what else? Spelling? That's personally where my Trump hate comes from, he isn't fit. The office is way above him. That and the tiny bit of treason he's wrapped up in.

He knows exactly what he is doing. Actually take the time to listen to this speech. https://youtu.be/bJpGmwu9-k4?t=44s

I've actually watched that video before, I listen to most of Trump's speeches as a matter of fact. I would go as far as to say I actually enjoy listening to him. I've come to the conclusion that his speeches play so well because he says all the right things while actually following through with none of it. He cares very, very little about the people other than using them as a means to his ends. IMO that's a mind game, he tells people what they want to hear and is a master manipulator.

What the GOP has done has nothing to do with those principles he harps on in the video. They have staged an illegal coupe on the US government imo.

I respect your opinion, but sadly we will never come together on this issue since our views of the man are at completely opposite ends of the spectrum. You see a savior, I see a pawn of pure evil.

Hopefully time will tell what's real and what isn't and we all can come together as a country and world in peace after all of this.

You can't just lump Trump in with the GOP. Trump's biggest critics are John McCain and some other GOP establishment scum. I hope he is real. If he is real it won't be broadcast on MSN....But as you said only time will tell.

yeah, all cable news is bottom of the barrel corporate propaganda. There are actual journalists left but you really have to dig and read multiple sources and none of that is on cable news that's for sure.

Congrats, if you're American you live high on the hog from your country crushing others. This comes as a surprise now? Give me a break.

Are you American? If so, congrats. You have blood on your hands too just by living here

It's never been a surprise. And I would disagree that every american has blood on their hands. People oppose the wars that America takes part in. Do they have blood on their hands too?

It doesn't have to be that we crush and destroy for what we want. Sure, it's human nature, but we may certainly attempt to cull it as much as possible.

I have opposed every single war in my lifetime. Do I have blood on my hands? Yes. I do. I live here and pay taxes. I've indirectly supported that system. But that system is the best we have here and yes. We can all work to make things better.

Making things better doesn't start with tearing down the system of law enforcement and global intelligence because the GOP got caught by that system in a web of corruption.

behind a computer screen.

You say that, but have you seen how the internet is being manipulated right now. Those who sit behind computers construct your virtual experience and they do a lot in terms of gaming perception.

I agree with that 100%, and who do you think is funding the bulk of that manipulation? IMO that same power structure.

Corporations, lobbyists, and our three letter agencies.

I think television news is dead and everyone is scraping to take control and remove content to make the internet look to be their beautiful Utopia, similar to how colleges hide crime stats to bolster their school's safety record.

I agree with all of that as well.

Are you American? If so, congrats. You have blood on your hands too just by living here

I'm an American and I don't have any fucking blood on my hands. You think I can or we can change their minds about war and killing? Just not true man, its different if you support a war or something but plenty of people are against that MIC bullshit dude.

I've never supported a war in my life. But my tax dollars certainly have.

Not by your choice I would assume?

Well if we really break it down FORKinmyDick, I could choose not to pay taxes and leave. But I do pay them and choose to live here so yes, imo I have blood on my hands. I'm not starting wars but the quality of life I enjoy here come at a cost of human life.

could choose not to pay taxes and leave. But I do pay them and choose to live here

Well honestly that's YOUR problem if you feel you have blood on your hands then. Don't project your guilt onto others. I don't get that mindset in any way, by the same logic every American is responsible for getting us to the moon or every American has the blood of Japan getting nuked no their hands...cause you know taxes...

the quality of life I enjoy here come at a cost of human life.

No it really fucking doesn't. Peace doesn't come from killing innocent people on the other side of the world, so one is threatening 'our way of life' that we have to kill.

Well honestly that's YOUR problem if you feel you have blood on your hands then. Don't project your guilt onto others.

It's not my problem, it's my opinion. You don't have to agree with it in any way whatsoever and many don't obviously.

No it really fucking doesn't. Peace doesn't come from killing innocent people on the other side of the world, so one is threatening 'our way of life' that we have to kill.

I agree with that 100%. I've been anti war my entire life. Unfortunately I was born in an imperialist right wing war machine called America. I love this country and feel that there is a lot more good here than bad but I don't kid myself into thinking the quality of life i enjoy here didn't come from the deaths of others.

Lmao. Right.

Astroturfing will take over football (IMO) as America's favorite pastime by 2020... How do I get in on some of that Soros money being thrown around?????

What? explain the use of quotations, i feel like either they were over-used, or i am missing the sarcasm of something

So ur just saying that sports are rigged then right? Cuz im wondering what ur thoughts on that are. Do you think the players of these sports are in on it? do u think its just the officials? How do you explain like crazy last second shots going in (basketball for instance)? Do you think they physically alter the game in some way (such as like a magnet in the ball directing it to the hoop maybe.

Ive thought that before for sure, but do you think the players are in on it as well? I feel like some have such explosive personalities they would spill the beans somehow... UNLESS, a condition of them making millions upon millions of dollars (maybe why in reality they pay the players so much. Like, plenty of employees in the world make their employer millions and still only make a small salary. These guys get a good chunk of revenue) is that if they talk about how its rigged they void their contract.

Also yes. As far as i know my existance is as real as anyone elses... but with quantum physics in mind, my question would be: are any of us "for real"? What defines real?

“I am shocked that a conspiracy subreddit is talking about a conspiracy concerning the American President! This is an outrage! Russia would never conspire with anyone!”

Lol

Until there's actual hard evidence you and everybody else repeating the same tired trope amounts to jack squat. By all means though, keep spouting speculation as if it's all fact, it's super convincing. 😂

Well on a site called /r/conspiracy, it would be natural to discuss the conspiracy theory that is quickly being proven true, with a giant, multi-year long bipartisan investigation working on it currently.

Unless, of course, this sub is just a front to discuss conspiracy theories that pertain to and benefit one particular side of a bipartisan system, regardless of their validity or emerging evidence.

The real kicker is you're mad that you're receiving downvotes, when you already know you're speaking against both the current news related to an actual conspiracy, and trying to force a partisan leaning on the sub in one breath.

If anything is worth posting here, it's the conspiracy of why /r/conspiracy is expected to act like /r/The_Donald2.0 and if it doesn't, you think it's a new conspiracy against you.

that is quickly being proven true

lol. It is literally no more proven true today than it was the day Hillary made it up.

So you alledge that Hillary invented the idea that Trump has colluded with Russia?

So, that wasn't Donald Trump who said "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,"

In case that link's video doesn't work, here's an alternative link.

Cause it seems to me if anyone started the idea that Trump colluded with Russia, it would be Trump when he said that in front of a crowd and on national TV.

So you alledge that Hillary invented the idea that Trump has colluded with Russia?

Yep. Anybody rational, informed, and honest knows that.

So, that wasn't Donald Trump who said "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,"

He said that to mock Hillary who was accusing him of colluding with Russia.

Are you dishonest or just really uninformed?

LOL You're going to bend this any way you can I can see. "He said that to Mock Hillary..." and then his sons met with Russians to mock Hillary to get dirt on her, Russians filtered tons of money through the NRA to mock Hillary too...

You do not seem based in reality in way, sense or form. I'd like you to at least source anything you're saying here if you intend for me to take it as anything beyond a crazy ass person talking from his ass.

I said it was to mock Hillary because Hillary had already accused him of colluding with Russians. And that is why he said it. He said it after Hillary accused him of colluding with Russians.

The original comment that I was replying to claimed that Trump said this before he was being accused by Hillary.

Did you literally get here to respond to me from some link that didn't show you any context of the conversation? How could you have possibly missed the context of this conversation?

I said it was to mock Hillary because Hillary had already accused him of colluding with Russians. And that is why he said it. He said it after Hillary accused him of colluding with Russians.

The original comment that I was replying to claimed that Trump said this before he was being accused by Hillary.

Did you literally get here to respond to me from some link that didn't show you any context of the conversation? How could you have possibly missed the context of this conversation?

Like I said, you seem pretty disconnected from reality. Like right here, you say I'm not even in the context of the conversation - yet I'm the top level comment and have a transcript of the entire chain readily available above this very box that I'm typing. You just said I said something that anyone can verify I just didn't...

Unless you intend to start making some sense, you really can't expect me to continue to sit here and point this silliness out any more.

Any one who buys this trump and putin are conspiring against America narrative are conspiracy newbies, shills, stupid or all three

I made a similar post and got down voted immediately.

That money will go elsewhere, where there are presumably already starving children. So the the total number of starving children won't change. I'm okay with that.

Why did President Trump reinstate sanctions on Iran that could have the same effect on Iranian children?

When Auschwitz engages in Holocaust Revision, what harm did it do to anyone? Did it affect the official narrative one bit?

yeah, all cable news is bottom of the barrel corporate propaganda. There are actual journalists left but you really have to dig and read multiple sources and none of that is on cable news that's for sure.

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