There are tourist agencies that can bring you down there I believe. Probably more of a red tape thing than anything, they don't want people going down there and dying en masse because they didn't properly prepare for the cold.

Yeah they will take you to the tip of the continent. The anartic treaty is one that’s pretty much been kept by all nations involved even through the Cold War. and the whole told cold so people swing en mass is non sense. Theirs whole areas of land that don’t even have snow on them and we don’t have people dying en mass anywhere else on the planet were you can go that gets cold.

https://www.quora.com/Is-it-illegal-to-go-to-Antarctica-If-so-why-is-that-Is-there-any-secret

Well if you would look into it you can go to Antarctica but as I said it’s only to the tip of the continent https://www.hurtigruten.com/destinations/antarctica/antarctica-and-falklands-southern-hemisphere-adventure-southbound-1920/

The Dry Valleys may not have snow cover but they're still extreme environments. It's not just that it's cold that makes Antarctica so dnagerous, it's that you are a long way from help if something goes wrong. During winter it's can be very difficult, if not impossible, to evacuate people from the ice. That's why people have had to perform operations on themselves at the bases there.

The reason for the Treaty is to keep the environment pristine, not to hide some mythical truth about aliens or a hollow earth. If you want to traverse Antarctica and have the money to do it, you're free to do so.

Well I’m not denying it can be dangerous. But it’s not just a solid shelf of ice like they lead us to believe. There are vast areas that stay 60 degrees all year round. And it’s just as dangerous to go into the Canadian wilderness or Alaska or climb Mount Everest no one cares if you die their but they have our well being in mind when they made this decision yeah ok lol and I posted a link to a travel agency an they only take you to the tip. Their not the only ones. I wasn’t able to find a non scientific expedition to the mainland.

If the treaty is for the reasons of keeping it pristine why not have the same for the North Pole.

Antarctica (including the South Pole) is a continent with an actual land mass. The North Pole is just an ice sheet that moves, melts, and refreezes; no land.

I’m aware. I’m not getting the point it makein tho. The North Pole would have appeared as a land mass at first and global warming wasn’t even known till the 60s so they didn’t know it was going anywhere. They had no intentions of keeping it pristine the location is to valuable. But a place like Antarctica which is just a strategic location as the north but also has a abundance of resources and minerals they decide to keep pristine?

" Exploitation of all mineral resources by signatory states is banned until 2048 "

More like that’s when Project Bluebeam will be ready to launch.

Did you know the government cares about its citizens except almost every single time when it doesn’t?

pristine, until resource extraction becomes economicly viable, you mean

" Exploitation of all mineral resources by signatory states is banned until 2048 "

you have any idea, how bad china is going to be all up in that oil/gas feild?

Also, research stints at the research stations are not a super hot commodity... isolated, cold, etc... its not hard to get a spot down their if you do geology or other sciences.... even as a college or post graduate student. Its not restricted so much as extreme conditions and really far from everything. Its kind of inaccessible and expensive to get their on your own or even with a tourist group but as part of a 6 month science stay its not that exclusive...

There is a marathon there. There are people that try to run one on every continent.

But people can walk into the desert en made, with nobody stopping them.

I'm sure one of the primary duties of park rangers and similar jobs is to stop people who are unprepared from wandering into the wilderness to their deaths.

Park rangers don’t work in the desert.

They absolutely do. Many deserts in the US are part of the National Park system.

Now I don't believe in the Flat Earth Theory and all that, but I wonder if it's true that no one is allowed in Antarctica and that most flights avoid it. Why is that? Is there some weird shit going on there or am I just overthinking things?

The Earth is unironically flat. At the very least you can come to the conclusion of geocentrism merely by looking at the stars. Tens of thousands of years and each night you see the same ones spinning around Polaris. If The Earth was in fact moving through space around the sun, while the entire solar system was moving together through space the time lapse photos would be a complete blur.

You don't seem to have any idea how far away stars are.

Even better—why is our night sky completely different from those on the exact other side of the globe? And even better—there’s no possible way, other than a global one, to explain the track of the ISS which you can track and see in really time. Two easy ways to debunk FE.

People have viewed the ISS outside while running the ISS live stream on their computer and the live stream did not match the physical thing they saw in the sky.

I’d like to see some type of reference for that. The only reason I ask is because I get a text before it flies overhead and I’ve never had any issues seeing it at the perfect time that it is scheduled to.

That’s not the discrepancy I’m describing. Whenever you got the text that it was overhead, you should’ve accessed the live feed on YouTube and you would’ve noticed that, according to the live feed, it is nowhere near you. You can’t do that now because they don’t show the live feed anymore (probably because people realized you can’t see any parts of the earth that should be recognizable).

Sure, its a studio on earth. But that doesn't mean the earth is flat. It's either concave with severely bending light or convex as described by all the sheep.

Neither of those conclusions about the shape of the earth is backed by observable data so idk where you are pulling those conclusions from (probably your ass). You admit that the ISS is faked in a studio. So what else about space is being faked in a studio? All of it! Would they go through the trouble to fake everything if it was already as they described it anyway? That should tell you things are not as they (frauds at NASA) describe.

I dont entirely agree with you. I dismiss many of the non observational nihlistic type propositions about our universe, surely. But eyes on earth gazing upwards dont lie. At least as the starting point for analysis. They can lie if light bends dramatically for instance but its still the boundary condition after all. Even the bit about horizon and eye level usually used in defense of flat earth. Ever try to add bending light to your analysis?

Except the ISS should be a huge red flag against NASA for anyone with any common sense. Totally fake puppet show that's an insult to the intelligence of anyone who is told it's a real enterprise.

about a mile or two? /s

That may not be their only umm, barrier to understanding.

How can we see light from such far distances? And if there is an near infinite number of stars why is the sky not always light from all those stars?

Because there isn't infinite stars at all and there is much, much more empty space between stars than there are stars. And we can see starlight from far away because stars are very bright and there is nothing to block the light from reaching earth in the vacuum of space. Light travels In a straight line forever if no other particles/mass gets in it's way

Shouldn't there be lots of other bodies in the way if space is expanding in all directions? Asteroids, other space rocks and dust out there hurtling through space just as we supposedly are, aren't getting in the way?

When scientist say space is expanding in all directions they mean that literally. Spacetime is expanding as in the literal empty space between objects is getting bigger. This means that there would be more empty space between objects as space expands not more objects to get in the way. Eventually space will expand so fast that anything that isn't gravitationally linked like stars in galaxies will eventually disappear from the night sky as their light can't reach us anymore.

How does anyone know how far away they are?

They use yardsticks.

They don't. Just models that equate to a house of cards

The thing is you do get motion images with sky time lapse photos.

But they're NOT BLURRED! THEY'D BE BLURRED BECAUSE THEY'RE MOVING SO QUICKLY! SHILL!!1!1!!

Removed. Rules 6 & 10.

If you truly do believe the world is flat, then why do you see 24-hour daylight in Antarctica? If Antarctica circles the outside of a flat circular world, then it couldn't possibly be daylight there all day long.

Also, why can't we see Polaris from here in New Zealand if the earth is flat?

most people, dont. most are merely troll larpers, who then post screenshots to other forums, proving how they have tricked everyone

You’re making an asserrtion that’s false. Every YouTube video supposedly showing a 24 hour sun in Antarctica shows nothing of the sort. Either it cuts and loops before the shadows we are viewing make a full rotation or it simply uses digital manipulation to give the appearance of remaining continually in the sky. There are no uncut unmanipulated clips to support that claim, which is weird because there should be ample video evidence of that.

I see. Do you see why making a concrete conclusion and simply dismissing any evidence that disproves the conclusion as fake is illogical and the incorrect way to do science? You're simply looking for evidence to support your conclusion when you should be looking at the evidence and make the conclusion from there.

I take it you weren’t a science major.

I don't understand why flat earth comments get so many downvotes. Nothing bad can come from looking at earth in a different way than the norm.

Right? It’s not rational behavior, which should tell people that it’s an attempt to manipulate their opinion on the topic.

Not every theory is equally valid. If you find somebody that tells you the sky is purple when you can clearly see its blue you dismiss that outright unless they have extraordinary evidence to prove what you can clearly see is false.

Exactly! So here are the globe earthers saying it’s a round ball even though none of the evidence shows that to be the case. So it can be dismissed as a credible theory!

There is tons upon tons of evidence that says its a round earth. You just dismiss it all as fake without any evidence. Your confirmation bias is ridiculous.

The literally deny gravity and say things that simple tests show are wrong.

Why can't we question a force that even your precious celebrity scientists can't fully explain? How does gravity pull the oceans down yet let a bug or bird take flight?

If you have a different perspective on the earth and universe, you start to question other "truths" you've been brainwashed to believe since birth.

Why can't we question a force that even your precious celebrity scientists can't fully explain?

Why are you bringing up "celebrity scientists"?

How does gravity pull the oceans down yet let a bug or bird take flight?

Because the pull of gravity is dependent upon mass, lower mass objects aren't affects as much.

Why wouldn't gravity be able to pull down oceans BTW? I never understood that - do you think water is a single entity? It isn't it is composed of relatively free moving molecules.

Bringing up the scientists because they are the ones who say they don't know what gravity actually is, pretty straight forward.

So...larger animals shouldn't be able to fly then? What about massive flying reptiles millions of years ago? What about airplanes?

The ocean, a whole body of liquid water, is held down to the earth because of gravity, yes? How does it do so yet let fish swim freely through it like another world? The globe earth just doesn't make sense, it's just absurd, much more complicated than a flat earth model. And isn't the simplest answer usually the correct one?

So...larger animals shouldn't be able to fly then?

Larger animals have larger flying surfaces and can generate more energy to fly with.

How does it do so yet let fish swim freely through it like another world?

Because the fish isn't as massive as the oceans. Please research gravity before you say it isn't real. You don't even understand the basics of formula used to compute gravitational attraction.

Newton’s law of gravitation, statement that any particle of matter in the universe attracts any other with a force varying directly as the product of the masses and inversely as the square of the distance between them. In symbols, the magnitude of the attractive force F is equal to G (the gravitational constant, a number the size of which depends on the system of units used and which is a universal constant) multiplied by the product of the masses (m1 and m2) and divided by the square of the distance R: F = G(m1m2)/R2. Isaac Newton put forward the law in 1687 and used it to explain the observed motions of the planets and their moons, which had been reduced to mathematical form by Johannes Kepler early in the 17th century.

And isn't the simplest answer usually the correct one?

No.

Bringing up the scientists because they are the ones who say they don't know what gravity actually is

You removed the word celebrity from that statement. Why?

I removed the celebrity word to save time, ffs, what does it matter? I'm talking about a specific celebrity scientist, NDT, who openly admits that they don't really know what gravity is.

I'm not a scientist by trade, just an observer on the earth trying to make sense out of what is going on.

Scientists do say that the simplest explanation is usually the correct answer, I wasn't asking that, it was more of a statement.

I never said gravity doesn't exist, I'm just asking questions about it's nature and how it really works on the various parts of the planet/universe. I just don't understand how water always finds it's level if we are indeed on a planet spinning at 1000 mph and we're reviving around the sun through space at over 66,000mph. If you wet a tennis ball and spin it really fast, the water spins off of it in a circular motion. How does that not happen on earth?

I removed the celebrity word to save time, ffs, what does it matter?

It matters because it had no relevance to the conversation. You attempted to use it to derail what I was saying but since I didn't mention any scientists by name....

Scientists do say that the simplest explanation is usually the correct answer

Examples please. You have grossly oversimplified what you are talking about.

I just don't understand how water always finds it's level

Level means perpendicular to gravity.

indeed on a planet spinning at 1000 mph

Why does the speed matter? It isn't like it is accelerating.

If you wet a tennis ball and spin it really fast, the water spins off of it in a circular motion. How does that not happen on earth

Because the tennis ball doesn't have enough mass to hold the water on. You are also spinning the tennis ball many many times faster then the Earth spins. Spin it the tennis ball at one revolution per 24 hours and see it if flies off.

Isn't gravity relative to the object and mass of what it holds? I'm not spinning the ball 1000mph, what are you talking about? With everything being relative, why would the water not spin off of a planet, yet spin off a smaller model? I'm actually interested in learning, not trying to argue, it's just so confusing.

I'm not spinning the ball 1000mph, what are you talking about?

Size and scale :)

If you are interesting then I will recommend a few youtube channels you can watch and websites where you can learn about this. I want to help you understand and they are better teachers than I am. :)

Sure

I posted them in a reply to another comment of yours.

This one explains how the Earth moves https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJhgZBn-LHg

Here are some.

Which Way Is Down? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc4xYacTu-E

This one isn't so much related to gravity but it explains how much you can see of the Earth from various heights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxhxL1LzKww

I wasn't as nice to you as I should have been and for that I apologize.

And I mentioned a specific scientist because it's the person who actually said it, and because he seems to be the new face of science to the masses along with Bill Nye, who is just terrible and shouldn't be telling anyone anything anymore, totally part of an agenda.

Pretty soon hopefully enough Dunning-Krugers will realize that there's a coordinated downvote and censorship attack on the subject and actually start discussing and researching it for themselves.

Someone in real life called me a flat earther as an insult. I'm not a flat-earther, but that was the day I started reading about it and listening to others opinions and theories on the subject.

If the "science" was "settled," if it were obvious or demonstrable that we live on a spinning ball, it would be proven hundreds of times over and there wouldn't be the need for a veritable army of NASA fanboys and shills to ridicule and debunk anyone who questions it.

Science is NEVER settled, goes against what everything Science stands for. I like to call that crap $cience. Question everything my friend! =)

I think the science of the globe is most probably settled (I entertain concave earth still, with bending light - see Abdelkadars mathematical inversion) but I don't think that means the science of outer space is settled. That, they most definitely are lying about. Why? Not sure. But there is an information blackout like none other. They release bull about supposed atmospheres of planets, sizes, brightnesses, weather. None of the useful, interesting information, surely.

Lmao -23 net score in a conspiracy sub? Take note everyone. This is what we’re up against. Logic gets downvoted out of sight, and if your curiosity gets the better of you, well there are ten highly-positively-upvoted follow up comments to influence your opinion even further. This place is a joke and the unethical participants are pathetic.

Every website has turned to shit completely in the last 6 months. Bots, shills, and biased algorithms are used overtly at this point. It's depressing.

We can track the procession of Polaris which should not be possible under your model.

We also have GPS satellites and other birds that can't exist on a Flat Earth. Or are you saying that Doppler shifts aren't real?

You make a great point about the so-called solar system, but all of those observations have nothing to do with the shape of the earth. I think you would be more effective with your message if you focused on the impossibility of the cosmological model as we are told, rather than asserting the earth is flat. I believe people can come to many conclusions that challenge the heliocentric model just from common sense and reasoning before they even question the shape of the earth, and most people will have a very hard time testing it for themselves and will be more likely to dismiss your good points because they are conditioned to view the FE concept as a target of ridicule only.

/r/conspiracy should fund and start our own exploration mission. No safe return guaranteed, be ready to die to find out the secrets of Antarctica! 😂

Its gunna be a real shit sandwich, Randy

I volunteer.

I am the one stalking ^{^} so obviously I will be going also.

Heh

Me too!

Fuck it. College is whack anyways. Where do I sign up ?

See: Thompson, Dallas

Or, sign up for a stint as a researcher down there or just shell out some cash and go on an arctic tourist trip... there are more and more of them to the point that its an environmental issue.

They even have a Marathon race:

http://www.marathontours.com/races/antarctica-marathon-and-half-marathon-386

And there used to be and sometimes still are commercial transpolar routes across Antarctica, its just not regularly scheduled because no real high volume routes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_route scroll down to antarctica

Don't listen to this guy he's trying to send us to the Arctic which has no alien bases. Thinks we're idiots.

What, where did you get the arctic? Their are no permanent research bases on the north pole as its an ice sheet while anarctica has several permanent research bases. They also have commercial tours, hikes, even running races, and other opportunities to visit.

Or, sign up for a stint as a researcher down there or just shell out some cash and go on an arctic tourist trip... there are more and more of them to the point that its an environmental issue.

Sorry typo, addressed... phones are not the best vehicle for reddit commenting.

I volunteer as tribute.

I am a healthy adult volunteer

Maybe the earth is getting far hotter than they admit and Antarctica will be the only liveable place, so the rich are setting up shop...

yeah nah, if you actually look at the manipulation you can see their bullshit. They lied about it all and the world isnt getting hotter, its getting colder. We are headed for an ice age, so, think differently.... Oh yeah, watch the magnetosphere.....theres ya problem.

Do you have more info on this?

Which part?

Data manipulation by NOAA and NASA? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzGPq9LSjEw&t=243s or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBRBrI7O0LY.

Weakening magnetic field? https://www.livescience.com/46694-magnetic-field-weakens.html

I’m always ready to die so I guess I’ll volunteer

/r/2meirl4meirl/

That’s my new favorite sub now lol

It would be kinda cool to do a go fund me, and send one person from here with a live feed bodycam. Or even just a super nice drone.

Just go here http://www.white-desert.com/

Yeah, I bet their are Dozens of people shelling out $84000 for a five day trip. Dozens

Sign me the fuck up boys.

Look into admiral Richard e Byrd. Operation high jump and operation fishbowl.

Yeah it is. Did you happen to see a video interview from the 50-60s? He described what’s down there an what’s last Antarctica. Just a little weird that a admiral with as many achievements as him claims such things.

Hey no problem glad you found it interesting!

Gotta keep them distracted somehow lol

May be completely unrelated, but I found his son’s death quite peculiar.

Very interesting I have never seen this before. How does a Harvard grad end up dieing of malnutrition and dehydration in an abandoned building

Yeah! Harvard grads have never, ever had anything bad happen to them!

Yeah I had a feeling someone would say something along these lines. An yeah bad things happen to people but clearly he was a intelligent person who wasn’t always inpoverty was my point

Sounds like mental health issues to me.

Interesting. Not aware of mental health issues that cause people to starve them selves to death except for schizophrenia and usually in males that will show at the latest of 25. People don’t die from malnutrition and dehydration accidentally

was he involved in drugs? sounds like a borderline-OD situation

Usually addicts don't die of malnutrition or dehydration until very deep in addiction, where any one of his friends and family would have known something serious was up.

that's what i was sondering, I guess. Were there any signs of drug abuse in the time leading up to his death?

Lol at the people replying to you. First it's he's homeless, next he is addicted to drugs, next he's mentally ill. Anything except for foul play...that NEVER happens /s

Wow. You are super quick to jump to conclusions for someone on this subject.

When was the last time you've heard of an American college student starving to death? Soooo common...

How many homeless in America do you think have degrees? You’d be surprised if you’re implying it’s few.

Please tell us how many then, and if your implying it's common for homeless people to have degrees from college you're just not smart or being dishonest. And in this case it's specifically a Harvard grad, so how many harvard grads are homeless? Since you know, it's more than a few

Your implication was that it was an anomaly. That’s it and that’s all.

I'm not the guy you replied originally so no I didn't

I always find it funny when people ride a high horse in situations like this. If the world is black and white, and you want to know something, look up that information. Your combativeness is misplaced now, and was then.

Whatever you need to tell yourself to avoiding supporting what you claimed

I live in SF amongst 45000+ homeless, and degree or not they all get fed, and there's plenty of options. Not saying it's ideal at all, or good but they don't starve.

It's besides the point though, you are arguing that this guy had a mental health issue which caused him to starve himself, fair argument (if I'm representing you accurately), and we think nefarious deeds were done.

All I wanted to mention is that starving is an extremely uncommon death amongst everyone in the US, less than a 100 a year which is mostly children or elderly in poor conditions. I had to look up a lot and someone said that was their conclusion as starvation death statistics are not kept apparently lol. Most of the country is fat which is a far greater problem for us...

Yea this is pretty rare to the point of deserving thinking rather than poor attempts at being uncritical and sheepish. Thanks

Ooh, that is weird

could it be possible some natzi brainwashing dudes got a hold of him down there and mk ultra'd him?

Who knows. They were attacked multiple times down there.

after they say what they did to their admrial, project paperclip would become a very very appealing option

Natzi? Seriously?

Just a little weird that a admiral with as many achievements as him claims such things.

What exactly did you find weird in what he said in that interview?

The interview was in the 50-60is he said he flew over Antarctica over a wall to a continent no mans ever stepped foot on. He knew of India which is what should be on the other side of the globe. But instead he claims there a continent as big as America no mans ever stepped foot on with enough coal an oil the fuel the world for years and that was only one mountain range they surveyed

are you serious? Can you understand spoken language? He was talking about large portions of Antarctica that were yet to be explored, not any new continent bullshit ffs.

Yes I can understand spoken language. No he was not Richard Byrd flew around the world multiple times before going to Antarctica. He also wasn’t the first person to go there an you certainly don’t fly over a 13k ft wall to get there. And civilian mission don’t Turn into military missions for no reason.

he explained in this very video some of the military reasons for the expedition, we are talking 40s-50s. What wall? He hasn't said anything like that, that's your confabulation.

What other things do you think happen during the operation Highjump? And what's the source? It's not Byrd.

Antarctica is huge and dangerous, they didn't explore all of it. He's very specific in saying that the unexplored area is beyond the pole (looking from Little America). (Surely, you don't understand spoken language. But that's not necessarily an intelligence issue, you might be psychotic and you hear/see stuff that isn't there.)

Sorry I was having trouble logging into reddit for a couple days

But obviously you didn’t watch the video at 9:40 seconds he says there’s a a 10,000ft deep ocean at the center of the North Pole and 10,000 for high Plateau at the south pole.

The diary is indeed interesting but I don’t think there’s sufficient evidence that it was actually his.

Read some about these two operations. What about them is "interesting" in your opinion?

I've always wanted to see a Hollow Earther and a Flat Earther get into a fist fight.

It's a fun conspiracy theory. Completely bullshit, but fun.

Oh, no, give it about 20 minutes and there will be certain posters here calling me a shill or a CIA AI for suggesting that the Earth is round and outer space exists.

Flat earth is bullshit.

But the idea that there are huge caverns (or cave systems) under the Earth is completely bullshit to you?

With internal sources of sunlight? And entire civilizations?

No idea, doesn't seem entirely implausible to me that something might be living down there generating power (light etc) from the power of the Earths core.

Haven't looked into it tbh, i was just surprised that the OP was convinced it was complete bullshit.

Well we live up here right? Maybe they can’t wrap their minds around that we exist.

upvoted just cause i like the reference. i love hollow earth stuff. but it's bullshit for sure

Hollow earth is pretty bullshitty

I agree

I believe that was the inspiration behind the Decent movies.

• "Descent."

I blame autocorrect, haha

Don't move the goal posts. Hollow Earth proposes that the Earth is completely hollow on the inside, with a miniature star where the molten core should be and civilizations living on the concave surface. Not to mention the flying saucers and dinosaurs.

And the 'cave systems' version of the scenario might as well be the Underdark from Dungeons and Dragons.

That isn't hollow Earth as normally talked about. Hollow earthers typically say we are living on the inside of a hollow planet with the sun at the center.

Shill! CIA AI!

Removed. Rule 10.

I mean hollow Earth and admirial Byrd kinda go hand in hand.

Yeah, that's not Byrd's hand, it Francis Amadeo Giannini, who published a fabulized version of his diary.

I wouldn’t say complete bull shit especially with Richard Byrd’s diaries becoming declassified recently...

First time questioning Antarctica and never heard of the hollow earth theory? You must be new to the conspiracy world. Welcome to your journey. Also check out /r/HighStrangeness. It’s got some interesting things and doesn’t have all the political drama that has infested this sub.

Why?

Do you think that the masons are involved in hiding the truth?

Probably. They are one feather from the same bird.

Should we trust them?

I don’t. But you should form your own opinion. Why?

I don’t. But you should form your own opinion. Why?

If you don't trust them /u/tgodkev why are you using one as an example / trusted source?

http://www.knightstemplar.org/KnightTemplar/articles/byrd.htm

Never said I trusted him lol I cited the accommodations he’s earned. But I cannot go see for my self which is why I believe what he’s saying is true. Money isn’t the problem.

And what he’s saying is contrary to what the occult’s agenda was around then. NASA never would have gotten the funding if the dome was known to everyone. He also died a couple years after the interview. But he did write multiple books.

So do you normally use evidence information from people you don't trust?

You can't explain GPS which sort of rules out a dome existing.

All the time how can you say you trust someone if you don’t personally know them?

You surely can. The dome is just a few liquids suspended in superfluidity which you would be able to reflect certain wave lengths off of.

Do you trust the people who say those satellites are out there? Because I can make the exact same trust point you tried to make lol

Then tell me how does GPS work on a flat Earth?

Bounce microwave transmissions. How most telecommunications use them. Funny thing about them is is they are work line of sight.

And if they can narrow your location down from the sky why are they doing by triangulation ? Wouldn’t need triangulation if there was satellites

Bounce microwave transmissions.

Time of flight shows that isn't correct.

And if they can narrow your location down from the sky why are they doing by triangulation ?

GPS doesn't use triangulation. This is basic stuff so if you think GPS does then you haven't researched this at all.

Ohhhh do you can see the wavelengths leavening ur phone and going off into space?

And if gps does what they claim there’s no need for triangulation....... but we still use it to this day why? Why can my gps lose service if I have a clear view of the sky?

Ohhhh do you can see the wavelengths leavening ur phone and going off into space

No. But I can see the Doppler shift when the arrive at my software defined radio.

Funny none of my GPS monitoring equipment loses track of the GPS constellation. Did you ever think it was your phone? Have you tested with something else?

What do you think we use triangulation for? Do you think GPS uses it?

An it can’t possible be shifting towards the closest tower right?

I never said it was my phone. Went through mutiple gps because they constantly lost signal. Live in a small wooded area.

An triangulation is used for a lot of things not just tracking down someone’s cell phone. But again why don’t they use gps to track down someone’s phone?

An triangulation is used for a lot of things not just tracking down someone’s cell phone. But again why don’t they use gps to track down someone’s phone?

They can use GPS to track down someone's cell phone why do you think they don't?

An it can’t possible be shifting towards the closest tower right?

No it can't.

Why don't you look into what GPS actually is before you talk like you know how it works? A simple inexpensive experiment will show you are wrong.

I’ve never claimed I new exactly how it worked. I just explained how it could work with out satellites

Except it can't work the way you describe. You can determine speed via Doppler shift. When you do this you will find the transmitters are moving multiple kilometers per second. If you have multiple antennas and a accurate enough setup you will see that they each show a slightly different doppler shift. Since GPS is one way and the receivers aren't transmitting there is no way for the frequency shifts to be encoded into the signals.

The nuclear-powered subterranean boring machine that purportedly creates a smooth wall of glass by heating the earth... I doubt it would actually work underground but something like it might just be the ticket for miles-thick ice.

An extinction-level asteroid strike is likely to come from the same plane as the solar system flying east-to-west, which is what most meteors do. Antarctica might be the best safe haven on Earth from such an event.

But would you want to live through something like that?

I doubt they'd invite me.

You can have my ticket.

There is tourism but only at the edges. A plane flight supposedly takes you to the South Pole but I doubt it goes all the way. I’d def do that if I could. There seems to be some interesting crap down there. The Russians did a pretty serious documentary on admiral Byrd’s mission being attacked by UFOs. Buzz said something evil lurks there, and certainly google maps have some blurred stuff going on as well.

Though where is this continent Byrd talked about ? He was no liar.

The buzz thing was a fake. Just wanted to spread the word so it doesn't get used discredit folks. Admiral Byrd stuff, I totally am spooked by and think something is up. China is spending a lot of time/resources there along with us and Russia, and just seems weird there are no fly-overs at both poles.

Byrd is fake or people say Byrd is fake. Who knows.

The story isn't "fake", it's just low quality scifi and not written by the real Admiral Byrd. If Byrd had wanted this incredible story to come out, he would have written the account in a believable way, but this falls off the cliff right at the beginning with the lousy attempt at a flight log.

The "secret diary" in which Byrd was claimed to discuss a hollow earth accessible from the Arctic is just bullshit. People are so gullible.

And it's not weird there are no commercial flyovers when you actually stop to think about it for a minute. First, there are very few routes that would make economic sense to fly over Antarctica; you'd be looking at a few flights from New Zealand to South Africa or Australia to South America. Secondly, if a plane got into difficulty when it was over the South Pole, where would it go? It would be fucked. That's why we have ETOPS (aka "Engines Turn or Passengers Swim"), which sets out how far away planes can be from airports. I also understand that if you fly further south than latitude 72, you have to carry extra survival gear, which necessitates the removal of seats, making the flights even less economic.

However, if you have the money to hire a pilot and plane or to buy your own plane, you can certainly fly over the south pole.

Air New Zealand Flight 901 (TE-901)[nb 1] was a scheduled Air New Zealand Antarctic sightseeing flight that operated between 1977 and 1979. The flight would leave Auckland Airport in the morning and spend a few hours flying over the Antarctic continent, before returning to Auckland in the evening via Christchurch. On 28 November 1979, the fourteenth flight of TE-901, a McDonnell Douglas DC-10-30, registration ZK-NZP, flew into Mount Erebus on Ross Island, Antarctica, killing all 237 passengers and 20 crew on board.[1][2] The accident became known as the Mount Erebus disaster.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_New_Zealand_Flight_901

[Insert Mandatory Mysterious Plane Crash Here]

In the model of the globe presented to us, why is it more dangerous to travel over the South Pole than the north? If they are both at the pole, they should be receiving equal sunlight and thus one side should not be any less accessible than the other.

It's not weird it's called safety. Flights stay close to coast lines/airports on their routes so that emergency landings can be done. Flying over the poles is dangerous because if something goes wrong there's no where to land for the most part, and if they do the cold would kill everyone quickly and rescue efforts would be very difficult.

Ah, thanks for the point.

What percentage of flights in the northern hemisphere fly over the North Pole?

Is this the Russian documentary you mentioned?

https://youtu.be/MwUpPwyyvLw

No. I can’t seem to find it. It was a in Russian and only about admiral Byrd’s trip. It seemed serious and wasn’t badly made. Made in the 60s.

that was a pretty fun video to watch. brought up lots of little details that don't get mentioned when people talk about antarctica on here. hopefully we can get the actual one the other guy was talking about

Why would planes fly over Antarctica, anyway?

To get to the other side....

It would be the most direct route from New Zealand to South Africa or from parts of Australia to parts of South America, but the danger and extra expense count against it. Plus, in New Zealand the Erebus disaster was a national tragedy, which makes commercial flights over Antarctica even more of a hard sell.

air currents make it not worth it.

They use too. Flights to Europe over the poles, at least in the north, were shorter from N. America to parts of Europe. I'm sure there are some places where it is the case in the southern hemisphere. North and South are really just imaginary labels we give on an oblong spinning ball.

They tried flying under it but it didn't work out well.

Ok Dad!

r/AntarcticAnomalies

That sub is horrible. No content with a ban-happy moderator.

r/AntarcticAnomalies

The first rule of Antartica is: You do not talk about Antartica.

I would imagine most flights avoid it simply because the vast majority of the population is in the northern hemisphere. If you are flying from New York to Beijing, there's no reason to cross the South Pole.

Its really from from everything, and few routes are shorter over Antarctica but there have been southern polar routs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_route#Antarctica

It’s pretty incompatible with human life.

Overthinking lol

I went to Antarctica on a cruise this last December. It’s definitely a real place that isn’t closed off. Besides that, there are a lot of reports of something big going on somewhere on the continent. I’ve read and seen a lot of interesting things about it that definitely grabs my attention. I don’t have any links on the top of my head, but keep going down the rabbit hole

It's the size of the UUnited states, you sure you saw it all?

no mineral extraction UNTIL 2048, more than likely everyone is getting their ducks in a row

but I wonder if it's true that no one is allowed in Antarctica

Nope... it is pure bullshit.

https://www.intrepidtravel.com/nz/antarctica

https://www.chimuadventures.com/

https://www.polarcruises.com/antarctica

http://www.antarcticaflights.com.au/

You could have just googled it, and in seconds you would have had all the proof you need that it is complete bullshit.

I wonder why you didn't.

That, unfortunately covers a lot of posts in this sub... everyone here starts with, I was doing my research and I ran across X and then launch into some speculative bit... which is demonstrably false from 15 minutes of googling...

I mean most is demonstrably false just by talking to friends and colleagues if you don't trust the internet. Antartica is not the moon. Plenty of westerners have been there, likely 100s of thousands vs the dozen or so that walked on the moon. Meet enough new people and someone will have been too or known someone who has been to Antarctica...

I mean if you thought there was some conspiracy about the shape of the world or secret bases in antarcica... why wouldn't you save up the money and go on a tour or work to get a job at one of the research stations.... I mean for the chance to uncover the world's greatest con it would seem a small price to pay... but they don't...

but that would require an actual work!

It might even cost two or three works!

“They have marathon races in Antarctica. That proves it’s a continent on the bottom of a sphere!”

No, its just demonstrably false that Antarctica is off limits to civilians... I know people who have gone there to run races, to work at McMurdo, Amudson Scott and other research gigs. I know people who they tried to recruit for research stints there but turned it down because its kind of isolating. I know people who have flown resupply missions through the military. Greenpeace ships routinely disrupt whaling activities near Alaska, etc... there is an article detailing that civilian flight occasionally cross Antarctica. It just shows that much of what is in this post is readily shown to be false.

Those things can happen without Antarctica needing to be a circular land mass at the bottom of an imaginary spinning ball.

Never said this was proof of a round earth, although, there is other proof of that... but that was not the argument. OP contended the something was going on in Antarctica because it was off limits to civilians, which is simply untrue.

Implying anyone has walked on the moon..... right.

So for $5,000 you can take a boat to the edge of Antarctica and see some penguins in a designated zone then be brought back. In other words it's still totally off-limits for exploring and free travel.

Isn't the real conspiracy just that with global warming, we will likely see new and habitable land open up in Antarctica? So all the countries are just scrambling to get resources there early and claim the new land as their own.

Lmao first go research the global warming conspiracy before you waste your time basing newer theories on lies.

Think north. How many times have you seen governments drool over the oil reserves in the north pole?

The Antartica treaty: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Treaty_System

Richard Byrd’s interview: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iPaMGxFUqXo

Something is going on down there. Us sheeple will never know the truth

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" Exploitation of all mineral resources by signatory states is banned until 2048 "

could have merely agreed to put everything on hold until it becomes technologically/economically viable to extract the resources

you can tell me china's nuclear powered ice breaker is not doing any oil/gas field surveys....all in the name of science of course;)

Well, in all honesty, I’m not sure why any flight would go over, or even near Antarctica.. seeing as it’s due south of the rest of the world and there’s really no reason one would need to cross over it. I would imagine flights don’t go over it namely because it has no reason too, you’d be going out of your way to fly over it than if you just stayed on a normal flight path to wherever your headed, and also because in case of emergency, no one would be able to rescue you. You also can’t refuel, which you’d probably need too do if you wanted to make it back home, if you flew all the way down to Antarctica.

Begin by imaging a place that's the size of the entire continental mass of the US and Mexico put together.

It's also covered in ice that is anywhere from a mile to three miles thick that rises up 200' or more around most of it's perimeter with a few mountain peaks that are far higher than Everest protruding through that layer from the land or "underworld" that lies just that deep down beneath them... underneath the very world itself.

What little we do verifiably know without any sort of a doubt from past and more openly honest and even accidental explorations is that those perimeter regions of that utterly buried continent are the coldest, bleakest, and most uninhabited and uninhabitable regions that human beings have ever encountered bar none, including the very worst to be found in the far north.

If that isn't enough of a "fair warning" about the deadly nature of what defends whatever mysteries lay beneath or beyond in it's vast unknown interior, I don't know what could be.

It may be the real Shangri-La or Hades itself that Mother Nature has done everything in her power to ward-off and fence-off to keep all of her children in this world safe from it.

According to man named Giannini who accompanied Admiral Byrd on his journeys to both poles, flying straight over and thousands of miles beyond them doesn't lead to any place on this world but rather into another and completely different one with most the same basic characteristics as our own and somewhere else altogether.

An experience that he explains along with his own theoretical understanding of that in a book that is simply called "Worlds Beyond the Poles".

I met somebody the other day who had been there... i was amazed! She didn't know about the conspiracy theories surrounding it. I think she went there by ship.

My uncle is a pilot and I asked him about this. He flies over it all the time.

Just by himself in his own propeller plane? Or could you elaborate on your lie a little bit?

Researcher Linda Moulton Howe spoke with several military pilots and episodes of weirdness they encountered in Antarctica.

This breaks down what is required for an expedition to antartica. https://youtu.be/HTgzSQgUn0Q

You know has anyone thought that maybe aircraft equipment gets wonky when flying by the poles?

There is a no-fly zone over parts of Antarctica. Official story is to prevent jet engine emissions interfering with atmospheric test station on the ground.

There is a job posting for a diesel generator power plant operator in Alaska for pretty decent money 80k and basically no expenses. You can go to Antarctica.

https://aq.indeed.com/m/jobs?q=All&l=Antarctica

Outside of the flat earth folks, there’s plenty of weird stories about an Antarctica across the years. Supposedly the Nazis has a backup facility there, and when Hitler died, it was activated. That’s why so many of them fled to South America after the war, as a route to the base.

Hollow earth theorists say there is a hole in the North Pole, that supposedly runs to Antarctica, but ice covered it. Perhaps global warming could have opened it up?

There's a luxury hotel there and you can trek all over Antarctica http://www.white-desert.com/ .. you need to learn to Google better.

not sure if know but THERE IS NOTHING THERE!!!!

I inherited a whole stack of letters, from a great-uncle of mine, from Antarctica. They are actually postmarked from there. He was part of Operation Deep Freeze. Maybe I should read them.

air currents make it not worth it.

Just by himself in his own propeller plane? Or could you elaborate on your lie a little bit?

Researcher Linda Moulton Howe spoke with several military pilots and episodes of weirdness they encountered in Antarctica.

Yeah, that's not Byrd's hand, it Francis Amadeo Giannini, who published a fabulized version of his diary.

Sorry typo, addressed... phones are not the best vehicle for reddit commenting.

So...larger animals shouldn't be able to fly then?

Larger animals have larger flying surfaces and can generate more energy to fly with.

How does it do so yet let fish swim freely through it like another world?

Because the fish isn't as massive as the oceans. Please research gravity before you say it isn't real. You don't even understand the basics of formula used to compute gravitational attraction.

Newton’s law of gravitation, statement that any particle of matter in the universe attracts any other with a force varying directly as the product of the masses and inversely as the square of the distance between them. In symbols, the magnitude of the attractive force F is equal to G (the gravitational constant, a number the size of which depends on the system of units used and which is a universal constant) multiplied by the product of the masses (m1 and m2) and divided by the square of the distance R: F = G(m1m2)/R2. Isaac Newton put forward the law in 1687 and used it to explain the observed motions of the planets and their moons, which had been reduced to mathematical form by Johannes Kepler early in the 17th century.

And isn't the simplest answer usually the correct one?

No.

Bringing up the scientists because they are the ones who say they don't know what gravity actually is

You removed the word celebrity from that statement. Why?

Except it can't work the way you describe. You can determine speed via Doppler shift. When you do this you will find the transmitters are moving multiple kilometers per second. If you have multiple antennas and a accurate enough setup you will see that they each show a slightly different doppler shift. Since GPS is one way and the receivers aren't transmitting there is no way for the frequency shifts to be encoded into the signals.

Never said this was proof of a round earth, although, there is other proof of that... but that was not the argument. OP contended the something was going on in Antarctica because it was off limits to civilians, which is simply untrue.