The aviation industry uses chemtrails to ridicule and marginalize vocal opponents of airplane pollution.

The government has been spraying various chemicals out of aircraft to achieve a multitude of different goals since the beginning of aviation.

Some of these operations which were formerly classified have become declassified for the public to study. One can only assume some programs are still ongoing and classified.

Since the spraying operations are performed out in the open by definition, sometimes people can capture visual evidence of them.

Contrails AND "chemtrails" both exist. Case closed.

Care to link these declassified studies.

I provided a bunch of links in this thread. You may also find them in the proven conspiracies wiki: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/wiki/lopc

Please message me, I have many questions.

• A government report provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979. The 60-page report reveals new information about more than 100 covert experiments. Between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population. The report also reveals details of the DICE trials in south Dorset between 1971 and 1975. These involved US and UK military scientists spraying into the air massive quantities of serratia marcescens bacteria, with an anthrax simulant and phenol. Between 1961 and 1968 more than a million people along the south coast of England, from Torquay to the New Forest, were exposed to bacteria including e.coli and bacillus globigii. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience

• In the mid-1950s, and again a decade later, the Army used motorized blowers atop a low-income housing high-rise, at schools and from the backs of station wagons to send zinc cadmium sulfide into the already-hazy air in predominantly black areas of St. Louis. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/secret-cold-war-tests-in-st-louis-cause-worry/

• "Three members of Congress are demanding answers after a St. Louis scholar's new book revealed details of secret Cold War-era U.S. government testing in which countless unsuspecting people, including many children, pregnant women and minorities, were fed, sprayed or injected with radiation and other dangerous materials." http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-bc-us--cold-war-human-testing-20171002-story.html (http://archive.is/W0C7C)

• U.S. secretly tested carcinogen in Western Canada during the Cold War, researcher finds. The Pentagon never told the federal government that it would be spraying a chemical on Winnipeg and two Alberta towns http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/u-s-secretly-tested-carcinogen-in-western-canada-during-the-cold-war-researcher-discovers

• From September 20 to 27, 1950, the U.S. Navy released the pathogens off the shore of San Francisco. Based on results from monitoring equipment at 43 locations around the city, the Army determined that San Francisco had received enough of a dose for nearly all of the city's 800,000 residents to inhale millions of particles each day during the week of spraying. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea-Spray

• Operation Dew I consisted of five separate trials from March 26, 1952 until April 21, 1952 that were designed to test the feasibility of maintaining a large aerosol cloud released offshore until it drifted over land, achieving a large area coverage. The tests released zinc cadmium sulfide along a 100-to-150-nautical-mile line approximately 5 to 10 nautical miles off the coast of Georgia, North Carolina and South Carolina. Two of the trials dispersed clouds of zinc cadmium sulfide over large areas of all three U.S. states. The tests affected over 60,000 square miles of populated coastal region in the U.S. southeast. Dew II involved the release of fluorescent particles (zinc cadmium sulfide) and plant spores (Lycopodium) from an aircraft. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dew

The US also tested releasing mosquitoes and fleas from planes.

• The U.S. Army recently released logs of thousands of experiments conducted at Dugway Proving Ground dating back to the Cold War, providing a glimpse at what the highly secure testing facility has been up to. Some military tests involved human exposure to biological and chemical agents. "They loaded up mosquitos with what they said was an inert disease, an inert bacteria, an inert virus and actually released that on civilian populations in the United States," he said. https://fox13now.com/2016/05/12/a-rare-look-at-dugways-experiments-then-and-now/ (archive)

• Operation Big Buzz was a U.S. military entomological warfare field test conducted in the U.S. state of Georgia in 1955. The tests involved dispersing over 300,000 mosquitoes from aircraft and through ground dispersal methods. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Big_Buzz

• Between April and November 1956, the U.S. Army Chemical Corps conducted Operation Drop Kick to test the practicality of employing mosquitoes to carry an entomological warfare agent in different ways. The Corps released uninfected female mosquitoes into a cooperative residential area of Savannah, Georgia, and then estimated how many mosquitoes entered houses and bit people. Within a day the mosquitoes had bitten many people. In 1958, the Corps released 600,000 mosquitoes in Avon Park, Florida. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Drop_Kick

• Operation Big Itch was a September 1954 series of tests at Dugway Proving Ground in Utah. The tests were designed to determine coverage patterns and survivability of the tropical rat flea (Xenopsylla cheopis) for use in biological warfare as disease vector. Big Itch proved successful, the tests showed that not only could the fleas survive the drop from an airplane but they also soon attached themselves to hosts. The weapon proved able to cover a battalion-sized target area and disrupt operations for up to one day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Big_Itch

• Operation May Day involved a series of EW tests from April to November 1956. The tests were designed to reveal information about the dispersal of yellow fever mosquitoes in an urban area. The mosquitoes were released from ground level in Savannah, Georgia and then recovered using traps baited with dry ice. The operation was detailed in partially declassified U.S. Army report in 1981 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_May_Day

Spray for you, but not for me:

• When West Nile was considered a problem in the US, planes were used to spray pesticide for mosquito control. "The home of former President George W. Bush is an area that was scheduled to be sprayed, but it is one of several places pilots were told to avoid." https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dallas-begins-aerial-assault-on-west-nile-virus/

I will leave you with 1 unproven case:

• The Oakville blobs- In 1997, it rained gelatinous goo over Oakville Washington causing sickness for that population. A sample was sent to Washington Department of Ecology and the results were positive for pseudomonas fluorescens and enterobacter cloacae. Those samples disappeared without explanation https://web.archive.org/web/20150101201741/http://www.kxro.com/20-years-later-the-oakville-blob

Old guy I used to work with said he used to spray chemicals (aluminum something ?) over California "so it would rain" in the late 60's or early 70's as an Air Force pilot

Nobody is denying that governments have sprayed chemicals, but that's not the issue. People claim that the contrails that you can see all the time – the clouds forming behind the engines of commercial jet aircraft – are really chemtrails. And that's another of those conspiracies that just makes no sense – chemicals are dispersed through special attachments or through hatches, not through the engines, and such a project would require thousands of people worldwide to be in on the conspiracy: the pilots, the airline executives, the airplane designers, the aircraft construction crews, the airport authorities, and the ground crews at a minimum. And, despite all these thousands of people being involved in a criminal enterprise to spray chemicals that would presumably endanger them, their families, and their friends (as well as simply being morally wrong), not one of them has ever come forward and blown the whistle.

there are plenty of military personel who have come out against this. You are ignorant to think that many people have to know. They could simply inject the fuel with chemicals for “fuel optimization”. Would most pilets know the chemical make up of the fuel?

I think the overwhelmingly vast majority of them are contrails. I think the government has proven multiple times theyre willing to do fucked up shit on non consenting citizens in secret.

I never believed in them until I witnessed it for myself. I don’t know what they’re doing up there, and I don’t know if it’s bad or good, but I can guarantee that they’re releasing something up there.

Population control? Agenda 21?

Its not bad because were all still here with no ill effects...so whatever it is it isnt even an interesting conspiracy

i wouldn't say no ill effects. many people have several mysterious ailments. things like gut problems, strange headaches, neurological problems, etc- some may be from spraying

I personally dont believe in that conspiracy at all..but theres no harm in ppl believing it

If you only believe in chemtrails because you've seen contrails please consider this.

There is nothing sinister about it at all. Water vapor forms in the engine exhaust by using sulpher compounds in the fuel (.05% of it's makeup in case you're worried) as a base to accumulate. The droplets then may freeze into ice crystals making up the visible contrail you can see.

Good lord man, I’m not 12. I know what a contrail is. We’re talking about chemtrails here. I’ve seen contrails my whole life. On December 1, 2017, my county was systematically sprayed in a grid pattern for 5 hours by 7 planes. They weren’t contrails, they were chemtrails. I never said what they were doing was nefarious, only that they definitely are doing it.

I took this video the other day. There is no way it’s a contrail due to the altitude it’s flying, which is one of the main contributors scientists claim causes the formation of con-trails. I’m at sea level. That is not 30,000km high imo.

Also, it seems to turn back on and off. Also, all the other “clouds” in the sky are actually from planes as well. It was a clear day befor that. Lastly, an air advisory started around the same time the planes started leaving “clouds”

The evidence is out there. There are patents, articles, and anecdotal evidence to prove geo-engineering is happening daily. We need disclosure but it will never come.

This is way out there, but I think the metal arosols (aluminum iodide) which we now inhale everyday, is going to have some fucked up reactions with soon to be implemented 5 g.

Thanks for the post, peace.

After watching your video, the next video that played was Russian Elsagate... wtf haha

Strange... Definelty spent some time looking into that shit but have only posted that vid and vid of my dog on YT.

This is way out there, but I think the metal arosols (aluminum iodide) which we now inhale everyday, is going to have some fucked up reactions with soon to be implemented 5 g.

Curious on your thoughts about 5g.

So what would you speculate the effects of the chemicals and 5g networks? What would happen to us?

I will preface this with "this is entirely speculation", but here is my thinking.

I believe the amount of metal arosals in the sky from spraying has increased gradually, but at a rate that is starting to become more noticeable. I say its more noticeable due to my anecdotal evidence of cloud structure over the past couple decades. Compared to even a few years ago, I see clouds formed by planes constantly, and i see these clouds merge and join and competently cover the sky at times. So with increased spraying, comes increased metal aerosols in our body, our food, our water.

5G is more likely to be absorbed by solid objects compared to other wavelengths. It also doesn’t propagate very well, so its range is short Hence, why the 5g towers will be so close and localized to us.

So you've got metal constantly being ingested, and then ultra low wave lengths that are absorbed by solid objects.

Here's the theory: I feel like if they could alter the waves from the 5 g towers and hit the correct resonance in relation to the metals or whatever is in us. By doing this they could like, kill us all or like, mind control us or something.

TOTAL SPECULATION but i thought about it the other day and it REALLY spooked me.

5G is a higher frequency standard, US operators using 28ghz compared to 4G's .7 to 2.6 ghz -- 6ghz is also planned, and already used by LTE networks. Lower frequencies pass through solid objects easier, higher frequencies allow for more bandwidth per unit time: causing the difference in tower placement you noted. Once we have known tower outputs, it is as simple as the inverse square law to calculate propagation, power drops in inverse proportion to the square of the distance from the source.

Contrails form where the air temperature is cold enough and the moisture content is high enough. Those conditions are more commonly met above 26,000 feet, but contrails can form lower than that. So, the fact that you think the plane looks too low says nothing about whether contrails could have formed there.

The fact that the trail is broken also does not show that it is not a contrail: this is easily explained by the science of contrails.

Don’t you think it’s a little bit frightening that for the most part, every single cloud in the sky in that video is from a plane?

No but I'm not frightened by clouds forming from an increase in condensed water vapor in the air. If I was I'd be afraid of the sky constantly.

I understand why you may think my concern is stupid, and it’s fine that you somewhat rudely supposeI have an irrational fear of the sky.

But my concern is the reason they are pumping water vapor (and documented other chemicals) is they are manipulating the weather purposefully, and not telling us why.

But you don’t have to agree with me and feel free to continue and try to disprove stuff you don’t think is worth investigating.

Peace to you.

I'll start off by apologizing for being rude about it, there was no need for that. My only point with that was we have no proof all those clouds were caused by planes in the video. Just the posters word and there are a lot of people who will happily make false or extremist claims so people support their point. I could and should have been more polite about it.

I'm not trying to blindly disprove anything and I have no problem with you being concerned. I have done plenty of investigating and the only actual scientific proof I can find, meaning there are peer reviewed studies and solid science behind it, shows that the main components of contrails are sulfer and water vapor. Both of which are a byproduct of the fuel burning up.

If you have sources or studies I could review that confirm there are other chemicals that wouldn't just be a normal byproduct of fuel burning up I'm open to looking through them. When I look into these things I often just come to conspiracy based websites where there is a long list of claims but no actual evidence backing anything up. Or worse, a youtube video with ominous music talking about how scary it all is without backing anything up.

I am the poster of the video. I sat outside all day (tanning), and watched a cloudless sky become filled with clouds from planes. Every single one came from a plane, I'm not exaggerating.

[Here is an article talking about spraying silver iodide into the air to cloud seed in California.](r/https://www.forbes.com/sites/williampentland/2014/02/04/as-water-supply-reaches-record-low-california-combats-drought-with-black-ops-weather-control-technology-from-vietnam-war/#4a52d6942408)

It went on there, and it goes on pretty much everywhere else, but we don't know ANYTHING about it.

(I'm now going to look at the article as a means of propaganda.) Look how they bring up the conspiracy theory element in the article and somehow find a way to discredit it. But basically the article is proving what conspiracy theorists have said for a very long time, that they are spraying chemicals into the air. SIMPLE AS THAT DON'T GET INTO SEMANTICS.

That's what they do, slowly release the info in increments so there isn't mass disapproval, and its easy to swallow. They slowly normalize everything.

Lastly, at face value this all seems crazy. But they have been manipulating our weather for a very long time, they have been spraying chemicals for a very long time, and people have been calling them out, only to be made fun of.

As a thought experiment, just for a second, pretend that I am correct, and that planes are used routinely to create clouds and manipulate weather, they release chemicals and it is harming the environment. How would you feel, knowing you were somehow compelled to actively discredit and (you appologized, thanks) make fun of someone trying to speak out against it. Sounds kind of like brainwashing?

But you see the reality you want to see and its fine to just ignore this.

Peace my friend

Wait, is this what you actually mean by chemtrails? Cloud seeding is a very mainstream common knowledge thing that nobody denies. It's definitely controversial because there isn't enough evidence to know long term effects. The same can be said for microwaves, tv, cell phones, vaping etc.

The thing with cloud seeding is there's no evidence to say it's being done routinely. Sometimes it's like the article you linked and it's an attempt to help get through a drought. Other times in China for example they used it before the olympics opening ceremony to have blue skies. From all I know on cloud seeding it's just artificially forcing water vapor to condensate. It's temporary and doesn't permanently change the weather.

Also, I'm discussing this with you in good faith so I'd appreciate the same. I care very much about the environment and Global Warming is one of my top political concerns. If I had seen even an ounce of evidence that this was harming the environment or manipulating weather long term I would condemn it. Until such time I have to follow the science and say it's a fairly innocuous practice. Everyone is so convinced people who disagree must be brainwashed or acting in bad faith.

Ok I got some Question for you.

1. Whats the goal of Chemtrails?

2. Where do they get these enormous amounts of chemicals needed for that?

3. Why is every country and every airline involved with this?

4. How do the "elists" save themself from the effects?

5. What changed in human beings then before the use of Chemtrails.

6. How do they keep hundrets of thousends of pilots and airline employees silent?

So most your answer isnt actually a realistic gues but more fiction to explain your Theory right?

"Hey guys, I want to spread this pathogen to the filthy poors but I don't wanna get sick, any ideas?"

"Well, why not spray it out of airplanes? Just don't fly it over our houses! Don't worry about wind and like, you know weather that this planet experiences oftentimes in an unpredictable manner. It's not like we live that close to impoverished neighborhoods, no way it could accidentally hit us!"

"Excellent idea! We totally don't work near/with poor people so infecting them is genius. No chance a poor would happen to come to my house to install cable and infect my entire family."

You're telling me to believe the least plausible explanation when a perfectly reasonable scientific explanation exists.

1. Weather manipulation, visual camouflage, rf signal propagation\blocking, biowarfare, spreading tags, etc. Use your imagination.

2. Mined from the earth, refined in a lab, maybe waste liabilities from industrial manufacturing. We don't know.

3. You're making an assumption and I disagree that it's every airline and every country.

4. Heavy metals chelation therapy, avoiding crappy food, best medical care. Maybe those in power who have control aren't the sanest of people in the first place and would sacrifice their own health for power.

5. Don't know what you mean, but I have noticed that the skies look much different than when I was a kid now that we have these persistent contrails that spread to blot out the sun, rf patterns in the clouds, rainbow clouds next to normal looking white ones, etc.

6. Again you are making an assumption that I disagree with. I don't believe it would take "hundreds of thousands" of people. Just a handful of military pilots and technicians under NDA's is probably all it would take in each country. You pay them well, monitor that person's communication and if they get any ideas of exposing the programs, you just threaten them and their family with violence. One pilot on the ground could operate many drone planes.

Don't forget that some of the chemtrails may come from fuel additives (some of which may even improve jet performance), no need for specialized equipment.

Don't forget that some of the chemtrails may come from fuel additives (some of which may even improve jet performance), no need for specialized equipment.

What percent of jet fuel, by volume, are the additives?

You do realize it’s military planes that do the spraying and not commercial? This country has stockpiles of chemicals. And a limitless military budget. 80% of SAI spraying is for defense purposes to help absorb incoming plasma from solar storms. These storms disrupt radar, communications and GPS, justifying it in their eyes, as a matter of national security. You also have weather modification in some areas and the private sector also is involved in some instances.

to help absorb incoming plasma from solar storms.

Then you should be able to easily prove this with radio equipment of the right type by monitoring the effects of the supposed spraying after controlling for other factors.

It affects radio communications generally at higher latitudes. NOAA/NASA have charts that show where the blackouts happen. Usually this is caused from an initial X-ray flash from a flare.

there is geoengineering and solar engineering that has been admitted. then there is probably also stuff going on that is secretive at the moment.

In before KingH rolls in flashing his credentials.

Ex airplane mechanic, ex military, ex investigative journalist, ex firefighter, now retired and full time aerosol spray operation debunker. LOL what a life!

The comments on this post are surprisingly anti-elite. Wait a few more hours before the brigades show up.

By brigades do you mean the people who ask questions?

Not at all! Asking questions is fine.

What I'm talking about is blatantly pushing obviously false narratives and using logical fallacies to "take over" a post and make it appear to the outsider that that the false narrative is the "better" one, so they will believe it.

Thank you for your response. Some don't like that I ask skeptical questions in a polite fashion. Am I sometimes direct? Yes. Do I try to be rude to people? No. I try really hard to treat people with more respect than they treat me.

I try really hard to treat people with more respect than they treat me

That's an honorable way to live life, my friend!

Thank you. I try, I still fail, but I do try. In the real world I can have discussions with people who don't think like I do which I wish happened more often on the Internet so I try.

I've seen your posts on this sub and you seem to try to start good discussion. There's a few usernames I recognize and I've been seeing yours more and more.

Quick question, are you a catholic?

The Catholic question is one I don't answer :)

When you actually watch a contrail/chemtrail spread out into a thin mist, you become a believer...

I believe in lizard people before I believe that the government is spraying shit in the sky to do god knows what.

they did but not what this sub thinks it is. They don't use it daily with private planes to spray stuff in regular cities. that's just false and there's not evidence for it. They do however have the technology to shift weather patterns and stuff of that sorts.

Why doesn't someone rent a plane and directly sample them in a scientific fashion?

Second question, why don't those who get water analyzed by an analysis company pay the little bit extra to have the samples taken my a licensed individual who will document the collection process and whos signature on the documents is usable in court to show the samples aren't contaminated?

Many scientists of all sorts have taken soil and water samples from densely sprayed areas and found incredibly high levels of aluminum, strotium, ethylene diabromide and other radioactive and poisonous chemicals. There is also belief a lot of the wildfires in parts of the globe are contributed to the aluminum drying out the trees.

Many scientists of all sorts have taken soil and water samples from densely sprayed areas and found incredibly high levels of aluminum, strotium, ethylene diabromide and other radioactive and poisonous chemicals.

Please link to the reports in question.

Chemtrails and Contaminated Soil - Chemtrails Spraying and Contaminated Soil - CONTAMINATED SOIL Chemtrail Information - Stop Chemtrail Spraying in California!

Having trouble sending the link still figuring this out excuse

No rush! Take your time. Are you getting some sort of error? Reddit has been acting weird these past few days.

http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Contaminated-Soil-&-Chemtrails.html

I don't see any links to the actual scientific reports. Maybe I'm missing it, but I can't just take the word of a random website. Without a peer reviewed scientific report it's meaningless.

Check out this site about the dangers of DHMO.

Actually it's not a random website and has been out for years documenting the effects of chemtrails. There is a lot of info to read and a lot of credible scientists that contribute to it's content in varying degrees. I can forward somw youtube vids showing it in a easier listening format.

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://holmestead.ca/chemtrails/soiltest.html&ved=2ahUKEwi7stSA0r3cAhXGr1QKHRGuAscQFjAIegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw29Fwo70LOeJJsLuPmTPA72

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D89WammWN9p8&ved=2ahUKEwjCyMbc073cAhWRLXwKHTI7D0I4ChC3AjAMegQICxAy&usg=AOvVaw1O6JSw_H0wcocVv3L8jlzH

Yes when I try and send on conspiracy sub weird stuff!?

http://www.chemtrailsafety.com/chemtrails_contrails.html

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D89WammWN9p8&ved=2ahUKEwjCyMbc073cAhWRLXwKHTI7D0I4ChC3AjAMegQICxAy&usg=AOvVaw1O6JSw_H0wcocVv3L8jlzH

They absolutely are 2 different things. I sometimes see what would qualify as contrails : they are thin trails, up to 10x the length of the plane, and they don't stick. They disappear shortly after appearing.

Now, I have seen trails that stretch as far as the eye can see. Like, all across the sky. They spread very much in width, and stick for a good hour.

Unlike what a dude argued with me on this sub, I don't believe the latter is due to different temperatures, or different condensation levels. Where I am, the sky is clear blue pretty much all year round, and temperatures do not vary much. Plus, the trails that you see are in altitude. Ground temperatures are unlike temperatures in altitude. Next time you're flying, look at the outside temperature indication on your personal touch screen. Regardless of the season, the weather condition, it's always the same temperature. My point is that dude was full of shit, and there is such a thing as chemtrails.

http://awakeningforums.com/thread/1279/geoengineering-patents-spraying-atmosphere?page=1

They are neither.

except they arent even denying chemtrails or spraying or geoengineering or cloud seeding anymore .. cities and states have their own departments dedicated to it now out in the open .. this shows how well their propaganda works and how deep the programming does .. even after its admitted people are still trained to deny it and fight and argue on behalf of their oppressors its sad

Idk man you really think they wouldn’t be able to figure out a way to spray clear chemicals instead of the thick white cloud of stuff?

That would defeat the purpose. Blocking the sun is part of the goal.

Where is some good places to start digging into chemtrails

I know that there are websites that will try to sell you supplements to detox you from chemtrails...but are actually poison meant to kill you and stop researching.

Let that sink in.

Seriously? The fuck is that sink doing here now?

Look a karma farmer.

Need sources on this

Website was taken down after I took pills and was sent to hospital.

It was pretty eerie.

Ahahaha, ok just humor us what the name of the site was so we can do a whois search and see it never existed.

Or hey, pull up your credit card statement and show us the charge.

JFC there should be a MINIMUM of proof required on here at least. This is straight Monty Python "She turned me into a newt!!" "...I got better.."

I honestly don't remember. I assure you there are plenty of websites willing to sell you poison for money.

If that's the goal they're not doing a very good job...

Really? Look at the sky...pretty misty on chemtrails days...almost dim.

So is whoever behind this a comic book villain? Honestly what would anyone gain in any way by blocking out the sun? Tell me one plausible scenario where blocking out the sun and causing a global extinction that wipes out 90+% of life on Earth benefits any person or group.

Unless it's aliens trying to murder us in the most passive aggressive, half-ass lazy way possible or a group of suicidal billionaires who don't want to go out alone it just doesn't make an ounce of sense.

These are very good questions but you aren't trying to find the answers.

If you read the geoengineering articles. You would know the idea is to block the infrared light to combat global warming. Which is what real clouds do.

That's not how the deep state works. They like to flaunt their evil plans so even though they can do everything in secret they do it in a way that only the smartest people everyone with eyes can figure out.

Joe Rogan is a shill and he's the worst kind of shill because he's not someone who is compromised. He CHOOSES to be like that because he doesn't want to rock the boat.

Op's point is a good one to make. However, remember that it kinda works both ways. For most people when you start talking about a nefarious chem trail they are likely well within their rights to ask for proof that a given trail is anything other than a contrail. I don't know the stats obviously but a contrail is gonna form anytime the atmospheric conditions are present and happen with high altitude flights quite frequently. Hard to prove a chemtrail from the ground, let alone a nefarious one because weather modification and crop dusting are common enough and of course the above mentioned frequency of contrails.

Look - can we all just admit that the weather is completely fucked. It is nothing like it used to be, and once we all admit that then can we admit that maybe, just maybe, there is extensive testing (if not deployment) of geoengineering - including sulphate aerosol geoengineering.

Who is having trouble admitting the weather is completely fucked? We have Global Climate Change to thank for it, not geoengineering.

Well thats what they want us to believe... actually gaja is in a cycle and what is unusual about global climate change is the weather manipulation only.

The global consensus on climate change is that it's real, it's being exacerbated by human activity and is dangerous. If your armchair understanding of climate models surpasses the people who study it for a living then I urge you get a degree in a STEM field so we can bask in the glory of your genius.

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Dude Bro 50 year old Joe Rogan used to question everything before he got big.

If you look at the wiki pages on clouds from the late 90's it doesnt even mention them. Now they do.

And like I always mention in these threads. We get contrails here in africa, but not chemtrails. Our skies never look like they do in the US. Ever.

I just can't accept that people who could pull this off wouldn't understand that we all breathe the same air and drink the same water. Wouldn't they be poisoning themselves as well? Like ok they didn't spray insecticide over Bush's house, but the man goes places. He doesn't just sit in his compound in MOP gear all the time.

If they are spraying large areas from jets, how are they not spraying themselves?

There is interviews and confessions of pilots stating they get 4 times their pay for doing it, no questions asked. Again the root of all evil.

Ok so pay the pilots fine. But what about the people paying them? The people at the top, unless they are literally living their lives in hermetically sealed bunkers, would be exposing themselves to whatever they are spraying.

IDK its anecdotal but I get flu vaccine every year and I never get sick. I also don't smoke and I wash my hands a dozen times a day.

It is mainly a military program many financial, business and political ilites are in the dark and most don't care cuz they are living the good life doing very little swimming in money with their medical and financial futures very secure. Also they may be psycopaths that don't care for the aforemention reasons.

Please check my math, I've gotten downvoted with this elsewhere, but no argument. A large commercial aircraft burns about 5 tons of fuel per hour producing around 7 tons of hot H2O per hour at a cruise speed around 500 miles per hour. That is approximately 14,000 lbs of water per 500 miles ~28 lbs of water per mile. One gallon of water weighs about 8 lbs. Let's go further, that 4 gallons of water = 3072 teaspoons, so 5280 ft/mi.... It is about 3/5 of a teaspoon of water per foot. There is simply not enough water there to create the massive cloud layers we see form from these "contrails."

Don't forget that some of the chemtrails may come from fuel additives (some of which may even improve jet performance), no need for specialized equipment.

Not at all! Asking questions is fine.

What I'm talking about is blatantly pushing obviously false narratives and using logical fallacies to "take over" a post and make it appear to the outsider that that the false narrative is the "better" one, so they will believe it.

I try really hard to treat people with more respect than they treat me

That's an honorable way to live life, my friend!

So is whoever behind this a comic book villain? Honestly what would anyone gain in any way by blocking out the sun? Tell me one plausible scenario where blocking out the sun and causing a global extinction that wipes out 90+% of life on Earth benefits any person or group.

Unless it's aliens trying to murder us in the most passive aggressive, half-ass lazy way possible or a group of suicidal billionaires who don't want to go out alone it just doesn't make an ounce of sense.