Very well put together thank you i can tell this took some time

Weather someone agrees or not is up to them. In my opinion This forum is for discussion and thought provoking ideas there's no right or wrong.

Weather? I can dig it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te7bbWBXusk

First off bless you, second off, there is a right and wrong.

Just like there is an up and down. That is why one should seek objective facts, truth, and not subjective feelings, which could be construed as lies or be blinding you.

Much Love and Peace!

This is what is widely known but never admitted.

Everyone claims they want the truth. But no. They really don't.

They like their nice comfortable safe fantasy lies.

Yep, when you are comfortable, you can guarantee that something is being ignored, repressed, or completely out right lied about.

Much Love and Peace!

What do you link the molestation of young women to?

And now you're on a list.

As with blacks and violent crimes the facts don't matter and you will be publicly humiliated for attempting to state said facts.

As with blacks and violent crimes the facts don't matter

So its used by bigots who ignore all other causes for it like social economic status and how majority ended up in such a situation after centuries of systematic oppression?

Your point is true. But as a community, instead of playing the victim, shouldn't they be doing things to improve their situation? Instead of insisting that others solve their problems for them?

In no means is this an attack on the black community, this critique goes out to all groups of people.

On that note, why do we have to group ourself up and off from one another? Why can't we find common ground in all injustice, bond together and hold the true agitators accountable for their actions?

All you are doing when you point a finger, is you have three fingers pointing back at you, judge not lest ye be judged, for by the measure to witch you judge others, that same measure will be used to judge you.

Much Love and Peace!

But as a community, instead of playing the victim, shouldn't they be doing things to improve their situation?

Do what exactly. Getting an education is expensive and community schools have a low budget because they live in a poor neighbourhood and people who can get a better education either through savings or a scholarship move out which in turn means that the area stays poor.

It doesn't help that socioeconomic movement is pretty bad in the US. Around half the people born into poverty stay poor. There's a limit how much you can do for yourself if the system requires you to have money to go forward.

It's pretty obvious this post got hit with a mini brigade. Fuck it. Anyway, the other thing you can't do is talk about self responsibility in combination with crime and race. You know it's not their fault because of (insert latest thing to feel bad about). Free will is not a thing unless it's abortion (Margret Sanger just loved black people so much she's one of the liberal saints).

Family Research Council? Really? Conservative Christian anti-gay hate group?

I did read, and it wasn't exactly WaPo, it was an opinion piece in the WaPo from, you guessed it, someone from the Family Research Council

The other sources say that gay men tend to be more promiscuous, and that have a high level of domestic violence, which they attribute to stresses of being in a persecuted group. But meat of your anti-gay paedophilia rant all comes from the ant-gay hate group, the Family Research Council. Pull out everything in your "research" not sourced from those homophobes and you're basically saying that gay men have a tough life.

Except that link says nothing about gay men to support your statement.

Please, don't keep editing you posts after I reply. It is rude.

Except you are mixing you statistics. The "3-5 percent of men are homosexual" is men who identify themselves as gay. And men who abuse boys are often married and self identify as hetero. Kind of like men who engage in gay activity in prison do not necessarily identify themselves as gay.

It says that 30 percent of child abuse victims are abused by males

It doesn't say that. Oh, that was one of the links you through in after. Again, it doesn't specify gay, you're just making up stuff that isn't there.

Plus, many men are closeted homosexuals.

are you one of them? just wondering

Yeah, another opinion piece from a right wingnut.

Okay, you can keep writing if you'd like but I've used up my allotment of time on christian Family Research Council anti-gay people for the evening so have a good night.

You need to learn that op-eds do not reflect the values of the publications that host them.

Also, the very fact that the Washington Post willingly hosted such a right-wing opinion piece fundamentally undermines your argument that they are a "radical left-wing" publication.

What are you even talking about? neither of those things are even remotely true.

I want to protect children at all costs, but when you divert resources away from important programs to focus on some bullshit link between homosexuality and paedophilia you're harming gay people by making false comparisons AND you're harming children by funneling money away from legitimate child advocacy programs.

A man molesting a little boy is not gay: he's a paedophile. Gay men are no more attracted to little boys than straight men are to little girls.

haha transgender 9 year olds that was so funny when you said it the first time and now that you've said it again it's even funnier can you please say it a third time please yuo are really tickling my funny bone ther ehaaha

Again, where are you getting this? Link me the article.

One thing: a drag queen is a very different thing from a transgender person.

I know they look pretty much the same, but there is a very real, very distinct difference that has to do with the difference between someone wanting to express their feminine side and someone being psychologically, mentally and emotionally a woman.

Forcing a kid to dress up in drag and do some sort of sexualized performance would absolutely be unhealthy, abnormal and completely disgusting.

But none of those 3 articles contain anything like that. All three are about kids who have made their own decisions to be themselves regardless of what others, including their parents, think.

No one is advocating for making children dress up in drag to be paraded around for the enjoyment of adults. Your argument is a straw-man, sir.

And I am not embarrassed to be a liberal, nor do I know anyone who is. If anything, I would think it would be embarrassing to be a conservative--to have voted for a president who has surrounded himself with criminals. The Mueller investigation has already turned out 5 guilty pleas/verdicts, and they're getting closer and closer to the Donald himself. It should be embarrassing to have supported someone who is looking more and more likely to end up being one of the most corrupt presidents in American history.

Hell, just yesterday Trump was implicated in the commission 2 separate felonies in Michael Cohen's guilty plea, by Cohen himself, while under oath. And today the state of New York filled civil suit against Trump, Don Jr, Eric, Ivanka and the Trump Organization and Trump Foundation, and it's looking very likely that that civil suit will balloon into at least one criminal suit.

...I'm a guy.

Lol. Good talk, bro. I may not agree with you on most things, but I respect that you can debate civilly, without using all-caps. I really do, and I wish more people on both sides of the isle could do so.

So good day to you as well, sir.

Absolutely.

Agreed! They are so insanely BIASED by anti-gay HATRED, I can't even take any "research" by them as legit or reliable. They are a homophobic organization wrapped up in ultra right wing values. Let that be known bf presenting any of their "research"... They're essentially on a mission to prove a certain outcome/conclusion bf they even begin, and anyone who knows about research methodology knows that makes their research completely BIASED and untrustworthy.

lol right? unreal

Did FRC hire a board member that molested 5 underaged girls?

True or not, correlation does not equal causation and it shouldn’t be presented as such. You haven’t found a “link”. Seems like you’re looking for a link.

Your post is useless. Let’s put the fact that correlation doesn’t imply causation in any way, and focus on the point of your research.

Let’s say there is a link, what’s the solution? Obviously almost all gay men aren’t pedophiles, so you can’t persecute them for it. You can’t use that to identify them. It’s useless.

Maybe there is a correlation, it could be for any number of reasons. You can find a correlation in almost anything and bend it to your will. I think your research has a particular motivation.

But it’s dangerous to present these two things as “linked” when the link could be absolutely nothing to do with being gay in and of itself.

For example, being abused themselves could lead to a higher chance of both. If that were true then they aren’t directly linked at all.

could it be that homosexuality is a form of paraphilia?

No. It categorically isn’t, it’s a very common occurrence across almost all species. What I was suggesting is a hypothetical situation that would apply to some and not all. That’s why it’s useless.

Okay, we’re done here. I was clearly right about your motivation.

you don't win by quitting, by the way, just means you can't argue the point.

I argued a point, the response was to compare homosexuality to animals eating their babies. I didn’t have to win, there’s simply nothing here.

literally covering your ears and shout "la la i can't hear you"

Uh... by directly referencing what was said in response to my unaddressed point? You’re not even trying.

Humans are animals, I’m not sure what your point is. Not all behaviour is comparable, sexual orientation is totally different, smart guy.

Animals look after their young just like us, but they also eat them sometimes. So caring for them is also some twisted perversion right? They have heterosexual sex too, that’s disgusting isn’t it? Hurrr.

Again, you’re confusing a link for a potential crossover due to any number factors. You can do this with pretty much anything. You have no argument, that’s why your thread went nowhere.

Whats up with all the female teachers tho.

let the gays be gays but don't normalize it

Having been a therapist for over 20+years treating survivors of sexual abuse I can tell you first hand from my clinical experience that far more acts of sexual abuse go UNREPORTED than get reported... And the majority of those cases that I have seen are typically straight men abusing young girls. So since there's a huge percentage of unreported sexual abuse happening, I caution any conclusions being drawn from research that is based on what's reported.

This is too true. I didn't feel safe to disclose until I was a teenager and even then my mom denied it as possible and called me a liar had a huge fit (She has borderline personality disorder) cried to my dad on phone later (he was on business trip) and no one mentioned it again. I never thought of reporting it to authorities and after that wouldn't dare tell anyone again until I was in a long term relationship and struggling with intimacy.

My abuser was my "uncle" cousin from my aunt. My mom's family. She and 2 of her sisters were raped daily by her dad. He preferred girls until they were old enough to fought him off I guess. And they shielded the youngest girl.

They didn't think about the young boy they called a brother... I guess to hide what was happening their mom took the child as her own and hid pregnancy of the 2nd oldest daughter.

It's so shameful to even talk "anonymous" on Reddit. I cannot imagine telling someone face to face. And I've had to piece this together as my mom can barely talk about what happened to her. I would get bits and pieces. She finds showers traumatic still in her 60s and avoids them. Her dad used to watch them.

Anyway my point is that I think many of these sickest pedophiles will change their preference if no one else is available. And I think men have an even harder time admitting they were sexually abused. Fear of being homosexual is still very real for many men. I think my father would die before he admitted some man did something like that to him.

How can we know what the real statistics should be?

Thank you for the courage it took to share your sexual abuse trauma that you suffered. I'm genuinely sorry that you never received the support you needed about it and hope at some point, when you feel ready, you can find professional help to process it so you can feel free of the shame...

On a different note, you raise a very important methodical question...Perhaps to get a closer idea of a truer representation, a random sample of therapists with similar caseloads/amounts of clients across the U. S. could report how many clients they are seeing who have shared in therapy childhood sexual abuse and how many never reported it. It would certainly be a worthwhile study! I believe these findings would be quite ALARMING!

man there are alot of people jumping on to defend homosexuality. Research is almost always bias one way or another, but just looking at numbers and coming up with you own analysis is the way to go. But I for one think that the reason for the number being higher among homosexuals is that homosexuality is not natural, it is unnatural sexual perception. So it is no surprise that people who are living this way are more likely to take it a step farther. I'm not sure what to do with the info but it is info none the less. If anything it just shows the sexual decay of our society. and Im not saying this is new to societies but it is being brought out and made acceptable. It started with accepting homosexuality, even teaching and promoting it. now we are seeing the normalization of pedophilia. It is nothing less than and indicator of a morally deficient culture.

I will confirm you theory.

I had a homosexual leaning in my past, until very recently. I am still working through my issues.

But I can confirm that when you go down one step of sexual activities, the next step is not that far away. I am not going to go into details about the other things that I participated in, but I can say that you give it an inch it will take a mile.

Look a porn addicting for example, people get conditioned by cartoons, then to harder and harder things.

you are what you eat, or in this case consume with your eyes.

Protect yourself, and you will protect the world.

Be the shining light, the example to the rest, so that they can follow.

don't do it for accolades, rewards, but do it because it is the morally upstanding thing to do.

Don't be burdened by the atrocities that you see around you on a daily biases, but turn with in, and find comfort in knowing that you are doing the upright thing.

Much Love and Peace!

Thank you for your courage to speak out. This thread has several brave people actually.

I am female and was sexually abused as a child by my uncle. He was abused by my grandfather who I guess after his 4 daughters were old enough to escape his raping turned on the young boy (I believe his son with one of my aunts).

I have no idea what happened to him after I was relieved to hear he was in prison 7 years later when I was 14. We had moved across the country when I was 7. Luckily for me and my sister and neither.

Anyway, I am not homosexual but I have had other issues with trust and self loathing. Mom told me I made it up to hurt her when I finally disclosed when I was 15.

I took too much pleasure in some bondage I guess being a masochist isn't that surprising. I flirted with it but ran when I saw a full consent form from a "master". My early foundation loving Christ helped me immensely. Saved me.

I recently heard a short speech from the daughter of the famous Fantasy author Marion Zimmer Bradley. The horrors that woman perpetrated on her daughter pale only to what her father did to her and other children.

This brings me back to the thread. Thanks for following along.

Her father claimed he raped and abused children, boys being his preference, to "make them gay" and thus superior beings not "chained to social conformity and hetero norms" or whatever. I will try and find the video of her speech.

She is convinced, and makes excellent argument, that many or even most, homosexuals and other "abnormal sexuality" is at root caused by abuse in childhood.

Now I want to say I have no hate or prejudice against adults that seek consenting adults for whatever in private. I do hope they find love and stability over the danger and empty loneliness of promiscuity.

I think also this needs to be studied if anyone is willing. Or maybe we can figure out how to end all these child abusers and see what happens with future generations that enjoyed innocence in childhood. Mine was broken at age 5 and it's my greatest wish no child every goes through it ever again.

The best solution is forcing gays and potentially gay boys into religious-based re-education programs (call them "camps" if you want, like Summer Camps) where they can learn the errors of their ways and be trained to be straight.

Sincerely, Lucifer, Family Research Council

"Gallup points to data showing that boys whose first masturbation experiences are around other boys are more likely to be homosexual as adults than are those who are alone."

Can Confirm, happened to me, I am trying to change my ways. Only by the Grace of the All Mighty YaHoVaH is this even possible. Tried other ways, none have stuck.

Again, you’re confusing a link for a potential crossover due to any number factors. You can do this with pretty much anything. You have no argument, that’s why your thread went nowhere.

This is too true. I didn't feel safe to disclose until I was a teenager and even then my mom denied it as possible and called me a liar had a huge fit (She has borderline personality disorder) cried to my dad on phone later (he was on business trip) and no one mentioned it again. I never thought of reporting it to authorities and after that wouldn't dare tell anyone again until I was in a long term relationship and struggling with intimacy.

My abuser was my "uncle" cousin from my aunt. My mom's family. She and 2 of her sisters were raped daily by her dad. He preferred girls until they were old enough to fought him off I guess. And they shielded the youngest girl.

They didn't think about the young boy they called a brother... I guess to hide what was happening their mom took the child as her own and hid pregnancy of the 2nd oldest daughter.

It's so shameful to even talk "anonymous" on Reddit. I cannot imagine telling someone face to face. And I've had to piece this together as my mom can barely talk about what happened to her. I would get bits and pieces. She finds showers traumatic still in her 60s and avoids them. Her dad used to watch them.

Anyway my point is that I think many of these sickest pedophiles will change their preference if no one else is available. And I think men have an even harder time admitting they were sexually abused. Fear of being homosexual is still very real for many men. I think my father would die before he admitted some man did something like that to him.

How can we know what the real statistics should be?