Doesn’t it seem convenient for the this to happen and give the right some talking points right before the upcoming elections this fall?

What are the talking points conservatives can use? Trump has been in office for over a year, he has a majority in the house and in the senate, he and congress failed to curb rampant illegal immigration.

Mollie is not a small piece of a bigger picture, it's merely a coincidence. It will take more than one young hot piece of ass to get killed to be part of a grand scheme.

I can’t believe you just sexualized a dead girl. Man this site is full of weirdos.

I think they may be referring to the general media appeal of the victim being a young attractive white woman and the possibility of that being a mechanism of attention in this episode rather than a personal sexualization of her.

Yeah, I understand that, I just don't think it's appropriate wording and incredibly sexist and disrespectful. Why not just say "beautiful/attractive white woman"?

Eh, I know guys who are just blunt like that. They just like saying things in a hyperbolic distilled way.

We can’t dismiss it as okay. Ever. It’s how people like Mollie’s murderer found his entitlement — by hearing it from other men.

I don’t think you can go from ‘hot piece of ass’ to dead girl in your trunk without having some major screws loose.

Then you’re not paying attention.

I seem to have a different opinion than you on the matter. But a longer discussion would probably be necessary to fully see where we agree and disagree.

he and congress failed to curb rampant illegal immigration.

That's what happens when you have scumbag democrats obstructing real progress for brownie points from their commie base.

What obstruction? Republicans have a majority in the house and the senate, they have the numbers to pass laws without relying on a large amount of Democrats. If Republicans want to get something done like they did with Trump's tax cuts they can pass anti illegal immigration legislation.

Yeah, they pushed the tax cuts through, but they're only temporary thanks to the dems. Republicans don't have a supermajority which is what they need to force things through, and they also have worthless fucks like John McCain to deal with.

I'm old enough to remember when Republicans claimed they had to make the tax cuts temporary so that they wouldn't blow a $1 trillion hole in the budget.

It's a new party now, I'm old enough to remember them as evangelicals, and maybe they kinda still are, but I won't vote against my own interests, ie vote democrat. You remember Obama doubling the deficit? $10 trillion down the hole?

The tax cuts may be temporary but every time the tax comes close to expiring Republicans can just pass some more temporary legislation keeping the tax cuts in place and just keep renewing it into perpetuity. One thing I know about Democrats is that they're a bunch of pussies, once Republicans start talking tough Democrats cave.

John McCain is just one person on his death bed, the republicans can add something to the bill that John McCain wants as a way to get him on board with passing legislation to stop mass illegal immigration.

Immigration reform didn’t happen underneath the democrats either. It’s never going to happen.

I think you might be on to something. It has been nagging at me all day. Last week Sessions and Gorsuch were in Iowa talking about judges "thwarting" the government's immigration agenda. (They also refused to let video cameras into the legal conference they were speaking at.)

https://www.kcci.com/article/sessions-gorsuch-bar-video-cameras-during-speech-in-iowa/22762243

Also last week Pence was in Iowa and met with Mollie's family aboard Air Force Two.

https://abc13.com/mollie-tibbetts-family-boyfriend-meet-with-mike-pence/3972181/

And then we learn the suspect was working on a farm owned by a well known Iowa Republican who claims ICE had vetted him.

https://www.kcci.com/article/tibbetts-suspect-worked-for-farm-owned-by-well-known-republican-family/22794891

In a state where Trump was losing ground due to tariffs this all seems a bit too convenient. Now everyone in the state seems to be screaming for the wall.

I know what you mean. Some of the reporting seems sketchy on exactly when her body was found.

I've wanted a wall since forever. Even if this was a conspiracy, there are a ton of murderers, pedos, drug runners, gangs, trafficking all coming into the U.S. from Mexico.

Israel has one, and it stopped 99% of immigrants

We make fun of Trump for wanting a wall in Europe as well. But you still get stuff like this thrown up whenever immigrants are an issue:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melilla_border_fence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calais_border_barrier

A physical barrier is the cheapest way of keeping illegal immigrants out and funneling legal immigrants towards checkpoints where they could get checked. It's that simple.

You are implying that this is like a plot of the show Scandal. REP governor is in a big election fight in Iowa. Trump has a bad day with the Manafort and Cohen news, and suddenly MT's body is found. Conveniently, an lllegal immigrant who works on a key Republican's farm turns up as the killer and shows LE the body. Did he do it and/or is he the patsy in some Machiavellian intrigue as well?

This occurred to me as well today. It seems too convenient. It also seems to fit with how much media coverage this got. I bet there are other people currently missing that the mainstream media simply ignore. This seems to have been played up in my opinion and the punchline could be why.

I bet there are other people currently missing that the mainstream media simply ignore.

There’s probably hundreds, if not thousands. But if they aren’t children or attractive women (not to make a slight against Mollie Tibbets and say she didn’t deserve the media attention because she did) then the media doesn’t care as much. Middle aged man goes missing? We’ll have a short segment, maybe put his face on a billboard and then forget it in a month.

I was listening to a podcast yesterday where they were theorizing about why women and children get so much extra attention, and they were saying they think because women and children are “part of our in group” and if they’re missing, it means someone from outside came and took them, and violated the peace of our society. As a society we kinda expect men to die and go missing, because that’s the burden and risk they take with being a man and being our warriors and protectors. But women and children are meant to be inside the walls of safety, to be in our homes (not in a sexist way) and be protected. So when someone takes them, it puts that extra gear of an outsider “taking” our women and children from inside our walls.

The part that really got me was that the man in custody worked on a farm linked to a prominent republican.

If this is true, it’s a good example of a strategy where a scenario can be acted out such that it can be resolved on a flexible timeline, with different endings, chosen for maximum strategic effect.

The suspenseful unknown of mollies whereabouts represents an extendable plot device, the ending of which can be called at any time, in any number of ways. She could have been found alive, having been tortured, or just killed. But the flexible nature of her being lost allows for her to be found at just the right moment.

I bet there are other plans like this (if this theory is true in this instance) that permit for a sort of contingent resolution for stratification effect.

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But the liberal shill called for alex jones head while they do the exact same thing with this murdered girl... lol what a trip.. trump isnt going anywhere for another 6 years

I immediately thought the same thing when reading the pres release and I literally got chills when it stated the suspect said he "blacked out" after chasing her. I feel like all these people are pawns in a sick game of chess and she just happened to be the sacrificial piece.

came here to say this. It blows me away that this turned into immigration, the fact that this story was on blast for the past month and a half, it was the perfect story to throw their agenda at us. The fact that he "blacked out" is also eye opening.

I feel like him saying he “blacked out” is just a cop out to not admit fully what he did and to not have to relive it in a way. He doesn’t want people to know how sick and twisted he is, so instead of going into the details he just says he “blacked out”

He must have seen Primal Fear one too many times.

Until I see those words come directly out of his mouth, I won't believe he said anything. Have we already forgotten Brendan Dassey's "confession"?

what came out today was just a small piece of a bigger picture.

This.

How false was the flag, did she actually die, did she even exist? Will she pop back up once something else dramatically calls for it, something that will seemingly justify the stunt of having her disappeared and declared dead to begin with?

Conspiracy or not I think it’s sad how many people (from both sides) are using her death as a way to push their own narrative.

Absolutely. And, conspiracy/politics aside, I cannot wrap my head around how a human being looks at a girl jogging and decides to get their rocks off by chasing down, assaulting, abducting, (likely) raping, and finally murdering them.

Humans have an insane capacity for committing evil. So many examples in the world and in history and I still have trouble wrapping my head around it.

"tonight I was talking with my friends on Xbox and the whole situation about Mollie Tibbetts got brought up. Throughout the conversation one of my friends did mention that he found it pretty weird how both Michael coehen and Paul Manafort were found guilty on multiple counts on the same day the mollies body was found. "

i agreed, i don't know about Mollie Tibbetts story but something must have happen why Cohen and Manafort popup at once.

I was honestly suspicious of this story about a week ago when it was constantly national news. Not to make light of it people go missing everyday, I thought why is this girl so different? Pence is meeting with the family. Then the day Manafort & Cohen are found guilty, bam it was an illegal Mexican immigrant and Trumps already at a rally talking about how we gotta beef up our immigration laws. What a convenient diversion & easy way to rally support in the base!

Perhaps what is being reported is exactly as thing are, but it does seem fishy. I don’t doubt that Mollie Tibbetts was a real person, nor do I doubt that she was tragically murdered, but I can’t help but wonder if the case ran cold and with all the media attention on this case and all the negative media attention on trump associates that some people with a lot of power stepped in and said find a Mexican immigrant to be the fall guy. We’ll probably never know. Either way it’s a fucking shame that this girl’s death is already being used for political purposes

the cynic in me says that much like mass shootings, this will be used by people with an agenda for talking points for a few weeks, no one's mind will be changed on either side, and everyone will forget about it by the end of Labor Day weekend.

I said this earlier as soon as she was found. Shortly later the guilty verdicts drop then we find out an immigrant killed her. Seems like a psyop or something to me especially considering how much attention she got compared to all the missing youth in Iowa recently.

Well, immigration is an issue that is still not solved. There is still no real solution for the kids that are separated from their parents, nor is there a solution for DACA. It's only logic that it will be an issue that comes to forefront during campaigns anyway. I don't think there is need for a conspiracy to bring it to the forefront.

I was actually discussing this on Xbox with my buddy the other day too lol. We both agree things just don’t add up and came up with the same reasons as you.

Not to mention in a tiny little town like Brooklyn, of all people that were charged with her death, it was coincidentally an ILLEGAL immigrant? No doubt some groups out there will use this to push their agenda, whatever it maybe

The 2 things that stand out the most to me making this all suspect are when her body was found and that the supposed killer worked at a republicans farm, 4 years nothing weird then this? I don't see the people from trumps side having any issue throwing someone to the wolf's to push their agenda, and we have fox and friends helping fuel the fire with opinions that being illegal automatically equates to a killer/drug dealer/gang member. Non of them are good people is the narrative they want out there to reinforce Trumps agenda. This will only help it. I don't know, I personally don't know what to believe anymore but this definitely sets off my BS meter, it's all just too convenient but I could be wrong and it's all a true.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels the same way. I thought Pence visiting with the family was a little weird, but ever since Rivera's arrest, things have been nagging at the back of my mind. Why did it take a month to find her body? Why did they(LE) send Mollie's dad home, only to find her body the next day?? By an illegal immigrant? On a GOP family farm???
I read a couple of posters' theories that said this sounds like "sleeper agent" stuff, which I'd never heard of before, and looking at Rivera in court, he looks stoned. Who knows. I've personally witnessed too many things with our government, LE, officials, MSM etc, that staged events/controlled narrative would not surprise me. Like others have said, I have no doubt that Mollie was sadly murdered, and I'm glad the family has closure at least, but there are so many unanswered questions that even if we get to see the surveillance video, we'll never know the whole truth. And instead of this being about a sweet innocent girl being murdered, it's turning into a political circus. I just pray somehow that Mollie gets the justice she deserves.

i'm right there with you. i thought it was fishy that there are a hundreds of missing girls in america and yet, Pence chose to visit the Tibbets, and the accused "killer" conveniently fit the GOP's "build the wall" agenda.

The size of the reward had a lot to do with the news coverage. At last report the reward was $300, 000.00

It's a new party now, I'm old enough to remember them as evangelicals, and maybe they kinda still are, but I won't vote against my own interests, ie vote democrat. You remember Obama doubling the deficit? $10 trillion down the hole?

I bet there are other people currently missing that the mainstream media simply ignore.

There’s probably hundreds, if not thousands. But if they aren’t children or attractive women (not to make a slight against Mollie Tibbets and say she didn’t deserve the media attention because she did) then the media doesn’t care as much. Middle aged man goes missing? We’ll have a short segment, maybe put his face on a billboard and then forget it in a month.

I was listening to a podcast yesterday where they were theorizing about why women and children get so much extra attention, and they were saying they think because women and children are “part of our in group” and if they’re missing, it means someone from outside came and took them, and violated the peace of our society. As a society we kinda expect men to die and go missing, because that’s the burden and risk they take with being a man and being our warriors and protectors. But women and children are meant to be inside the walls of safety, to be in our homes (not in a sexist way) and be protected. So when someone takes them, it puts that extra gear of an outsider “taking” our women and children from inside our walls.

The part that really got me was that the man in custody worked on a farm linked to a prominent republican.

I don’t think you can go from ‘hot piece of ass’ to dead girl in your trunk without having some major screws loose.