can you prove to me that the queen does not eat babies?

The burden of proof lies on any assertion.

For anyone looking into the FE line of thinking, the burden of proof that we live on a rapidly spinning ball in infinite space is not satisfied by observation and the only proof comes in the form of appeals to authority, tiresome reference to Eratosthanes, repetitive mathematical hand-waving, etc.

You forget, it's all fake, space isn't real.

/s

Clearly you don't know about the global cabal that works in secret to keep all us roundearthers satisfied. For example they control every government and every scientist ever. That's why no credible intelligent person will agree with the flatearthtruth. Its really simple, they use photo shop and insults to keep the flatearthtruth silent!

Incase a flatearther reads this and can't figure out that its soaked with sarcasm......../s

tiresome reference to Eratosthanes,

Again you ignore that Eratosthanes has been repeated thousands of time as well as ignoring that it has been done with more than 2 locations and all the results are the same.

If the Earth was flat > 2 locations would produce multiple locations for the sun.

Um, heliocentrism is the only model satisfied by observation, unless you can show me the miniature sun and it's clever lampshade, and show how the northern and southern hemispheres have different polar stars and different constellations, at the same time.

Are you referring to the centre of the solar system?

I'm not sure what you're arguing to be honest...

Right...

The burden of proof lies on any assertion.

Ok, I think you raped about 10 000 kids in your lifetime. Now, any normal person will say to that "What the fuck are you talking about, you cant just accuse people of raping kids". If I replied with "Well then prove you did not" everyone can freely conclude that I am an incredible moron because it obviously does not work that way.

Yeah, because the burden of proof would be on the original claim, which is that I raped 10,000 kids. I don’t have to disprove what has not been proven. Duh.

The burden of proof lies on any assertion.

You are asserting you did not rape kids. So go ahead and prove it.

Uh, no. That's not how the burden of proof works. You presented a claim without evidence and it can be dismissed without evidence.

Great, so you are retracting your incredibly silly idea that the burden of proof lies on any assertion.

Eh.... not really. There is no assertion I don’t rape kids because the original claim is meaningless. I don’t have to assert it, I can just dismiss your claim. Or rather, it dismissed itself.

Ok, I see now, you are mentally challenged. Sorry to bother you, go drool somewhere else.

Haha ok. You’re not even a contributor here and I would embarrass you in any sort of “debate,” but go ahead.

You literally managed to contradict yourself in 2 consecutive comments, so I dont think so. You are obviously not a very smart man. Blocked.

Rule 4.

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is not satisfied by observation

This is literally what science has done. Our observations confirm that the Earth is a rotating, orbiting, spheroid.

No, they don’t. From all altitudes and points of view the horizon is flat 360 degrees around. Einstein himself said no optical experiment can prove the motion of earth. The alleged motion of earth cannot be felt or seen. Noticing about our experience even suggests that we live on a ball, much less that the ball is moving whatsoever, much less rotating at 1,000 mph.

No, they don’t. From all altitudes and points of view the horizon is flat 360 degrees around. Einstein himself said no optical experiment can prove the motion of earth. The alleged motion of earth cannot be felt or seen. Noticing about our experience even suggests that we live on a ball, much less that the ball is moving whatsoever, much less rotating at 1,000 mph.

Why do you keep saying that?

Because it's true? The horizon appears flat. The motion of the earth has not been measured or observed and furthermore each attempt to do so has resulted in abject failure.

The motion of the earth has not been measured or observed

As I have told you in the past you can see the motion of the Earth with a laser gyro.

So you have the answer to everything?

Well Flat Earthers don't have the answer to anything. They have no model, no explanations that mesh with observation, no tests, and no evidence.

Not an argument.

Do you believe Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin walked on the moon in 1969? This will determine whether you are qualified to weight in on FE.

This will determine whether you are qualified to weight in on FE.

That isn't your determination to make. Until you explain how GPS works on your flat Earth you don't have room to talk.

Wheres the real proof its a globe?

Thats all im gonna leave here. I doubt youre a sincere character. If you looked at FE and still have this.unquestioning mentality towards the ball earth, either youre lying or lacking in knowledge. (Physic s.etc,)

Orbital satellites prove the Earth is a sphere as do the following: placement of light houses, placement of radio transmission towers, trade routes, wind and weather systems, the rotation of the Earth as supported by laser gyro and apparent movement of stars in the sky, different stars in the northern and southern hemispheres, adjustments to ballistic targeting calculations to account for the curve of the Earth, large constructions projects like some bridges, and lots and lots more.

Flat earth can't explain how any of the above works.

They don't even have experiments to support their ideas that the Earth is flat.

My prediction is that this post will be attacked on an emotional basis or there will be an attempt made to change the subject. I doubt, based on experience, I will get an actual discussion about what I posted above.

If you looked at FE and still have this.unquestioning mentality towards the ball earth, either youre lying or lacking in knowledge. (Physic s.etc,)

Can you name 10 flat earther physicists?

I'm not a flat Earther. I'm not here to defend flat Eart, it's about holes in the globe model, which can only be understood after understanding how it's supposed to work. (aka physics)

DOn't see the point in your question.

People who understand physics the most are physicists. How do you not see the point?

Please see my statement at this link https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/9c2y8e/flat_earthers_stuff_us_all_oversconspiring/e57zjkm/ as it contains some of the answers to your question.

concerted and deliberate discrediting effort against any FE-related discussion.

That isn't correct.

I actively try to engage the FE community and you, as a rule, generally act like children. You throw insults instead of discuss.

Not a one of you will explain how FE works I mean you, as a group, don't even have something as simple as a map.

There are a host of technologies that show the Earth isn't flat but when I bring them up you have no explanations.

Exactly though. I’m not one to believe in flat earth although I do think there are some facts to back it, I just do fully believe it is being systematically discredited

The same users show up in almost every FE-related or anti-NASA thread, though they aren't conspiracy theorists. In every thread someone remarks the scripted "in my opinion FE is a psy-op to discredit conspiracy theorists blah blah blah" and in these threads, inane and vacuous comments are upvoted while reasoned and logical comments are downvoted.

It's crystal clear that there is a concerted anti-FE artificial hivemind at work here.

No matter what you believe about it, it's easy to notice the hostility and wonder why someone is so adamant that a conspiracy has no legs, especially when they misrepresent the FE arguments so often and rehash the same tired ones themselves.

I’m not a flat earther but it’s obvious it’s being discredited, there’s a big difference between closed mindedness and bots there just to oppress your thought

Another thing that gives it away is that all of these people also have NASA's back about the moon landing hoax as well. There are no reasonable minds who are saying "I know the Apollo missions were faked but flat earth just sounds too far-out." Which is what real people say when they're going through that phase, just like I did. If you press any of them they will also assert the moon landings to be real.

See I’m at a point where I fully believe 9/11 was an inside job and the Apollo missions were faked so I am more open minded to FE even though I don’t believe in it, some of it makes sense to me.

What it comes down to with me is it’s a lot easier to control people if they think they are on a ball

And if you are pressed you will not provide any evidence or rational reason why they didn't happen.

bots there just to oppress your thought

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Am I a bot?

Thanks for that, completely agree. Please add anti vaxxers to your list.

The problem with anti vaccine is that they prefer to cherry pick statistics; and then supplement it with arguments that appeal to an evangelical community, and arguments that apply to non-science educated community.

As such, it amounts to spreading misinformation of the worst sort. You start by presenting Andrew Wakefield’s study, which on large scales is totally discredited.

Then you point out that it constrains chlorine, which is a poison. Somebody without a science education may believe that, as chlorine is a poison. It just happens to be that saline solution is not a poison. Oxygen is poisonous too.

Then you say that there is foetal matter in a vaccine; for no other reason then to arouse evangelicals who have a strong opinion on this matter.

At that point truth no longer matters: it is only a matter of arousing enough disparate groups with half truths so that one can claim a victory.

In the meantime, people die from measles.

I think the FE youtube community is a money-op. From a post I have made in the past.

If you look at Google trends you will see that interest in FE is way down. They main people behind pushing it these day (for $$$ in my opinion) are Mark Sargent / Patricia Steer / Robbie Davidson (Runs the various Flat Earth conferences), FECORE see the board members list on their website (checking how it has changed via the WayBack machine is interesting), Jeranism, Bob (Globebusters), and a few others.

Attendance at the recent Canada conference was way below expectations. It was so low that they streamed it for free despite saying it would cost and taking money from a few for the ability to watch the streams.

Everyone I mentioned uses their real names on their websites and youtube channels. I haven't doxed anyone this is all public knowledge.

For example Jearn, according to his own words, bring in 67% or more of his income from his Pateron subscribers so he has a vested interest in pushing FE.

Cheapest ticket at the international Flat Earth conference is 28$ which is quickly sold out! Most expensive ticket is 249$ smh.

The one in Canada? This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCmHqBvKkt8

It didn't sell out only about 250 people showed up.

Here is a 2 minute news segment on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCmHqBvKkt8

They put the entire thing online. It is something else...

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4SQZ3h11dZaaEUFStA-mhA

the push so hard against flat earth is what convinced me its true, besides the facts of course

Same here, or at least that there's truth to it.

They overplay their hand so much it's really amusing. They don't even try to look like conspiracy theorists. They repeat the same talking points.

Who patrols a subreddit they don't contribute to to "set the record straight" about one specific topic? I don't go to r/baking and hang out until someone starts talking about the rules of disc golf so I can randomly jump in correct them.

They repeat the same talking points.

I don't. I have brought up many interesting things that can't be answered by a youtube video which, it is my belief, is why so many Flat Earthers dislike me so. You can't get me upset and you can't respond to my questions / examples / facts.

If you had a model or experiments you might be able to answer some of the issues I and others have but you don't. You don't even have a map.

I don't go to r/baking and hang out until someone starts talking about the rules of disc golf

If there was a sub called "r/alternativebaking" where groups of people were arguing that sticking your head in the oven makes the cupcakes sweeter I am sure there would be some push-back from sane bakers.

But if so many people were making the claim, you’d think the sane bakers would be the first to investigate why.

the push so hard against flat earth is what convinced me its true, besides the facts of course

What do you mean by "push so hard"?

And what facts support a flat Earth? Nearest as I can tell nothing supports it and if fails totally in explaining observed phenomenon.

So if people started to claim Australia doesnt exist, and people started pushing hard against that very obvious idiocy, you would be convinced Australia isnt real?

Some flat Earthers actually do claim that...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTbBRxYsivQ

i'm sorry

...goddamnit.

no .. who said this must be all or nothing

If only flat earth theories didn't exist, they would finally start listening to us! They might even believe us about 9/11 and JFK!! Damn, our credibility with the normal people is gone, if it ever existed in the first place.

us

You have never posted here in this conspiracy forum.

Huh? I've never "posted" anything, only comments, I've even exchanged comments with you numerous times. My comment you replied to above was sarcasm, btw. I don't add "/s".

I find it comical the notion that flat earth is a psyop to discredit conspiracy theorists, as if getting rid of it would suddenly bring credibility to the community. Who cares about credibility anyway? News flash: those people were never going to listen to us. They think people landed on the Moon, ffs.

Yeah I see that now. I didn’t think you were being sarcastic but it’s apparent now. My apologies.... people comment that same sentiment but in non-ironic way all the time.

You have never posted here in this conspiracy forum.

You complain about "gatekeeping" somewhat often yet you often do that. So I ask, again, why don't your own rules apply to yourself? Why do you think others should not do things you yourself do?

Here’s an idea; Why don’t you worry about your own beliefs instead of telling others what to believe?

The whole purpose of this sub is to be a platform for free thought. The only reason you believe the Earth is round is because someone told you the Earth is round. But rather than doing your own empirical research you just took their word for it. You didn’t ask questions. You didn’t think about it. You just accepted what the “authorities” on knowledge told you...

Flat Earth is not a ridiculous conspiracy. It doesn’t make anyone look bad. Have you proven with your own research that the Earth is indeed round? Didn’t think so.

If you want to keep conspiracy’s isolated to the realm of “truth” according you, then you should just spend your time in the politics sub. All of your completely fake political distractions that you wish were real conspiracies will do well there.

The only reason you believe the Earth is round is because someone told you the Earth is round.

Nope.

But rather than doing your own empirical research you just took their word for it.

What research have you done to show the Earth isn't a sphere?

ou didn’t ask questions. You didn’t think about it. You just accepted what the “authorities” on knowledge told you...

Prove it. Check my posting history and show where I have done that.

Final question - how does GPS work on a flat Earth?

You’re the expert; why don’t you tell me how GPS works on a round Earth?

(I’m also pretty sure it would work just the same if the Earth was flat)

Via trilateration which is based on distance. We get the distance to the satellites by comparing the different timestamps from the various GPS transmission that arrive at our receiver.

Once that is done math happens then you are left with 2 points. One point will be much higher than the others so you disregard it.

That is how GPS works at a basic level. You can verify this for yourself with a Software Defined Radion, and Antenna, and free open source software.

You’re the expert; why don’t you tell me how GPS works on a round Earth?

(I’m also pretty sure it would work just the same if the Earth was flat)

You’re the expert; why don’t you tell me how GPS works on a round Earth?

(I’m also pretty sure it would work just the same if the Earth was flat)

Your explanation of how GPS works in a joke. Good try though.

Your explanation of how GPS works in a joke. Good try though.

That isn't good enough. Tell me how I am wrong.

IMACatholic, how come you never comment in the hollow earth sub?

I do comment on hollow earth posts when they post to /r/conspiracy.

This sub? https://www.reddit.com/r/HOLLOWEARTH/

Some of us believe the earth is hollow. We believe this because we choose to believe it. Just as others choose to believe in a particular religion, scientific theory, or socio-political dogma. There is no sense in arguing with us. Our minds are made up. This reddit is for celebrating and sharing the knowledge of our hollow earth.

Those are their rules and I respect them. They are upfront about what they allow and don't allow so why bother them? This subs rules encourage open discussion.

This is a forum for free thinking and discussing issues which have captured the public’s imagination. Please respect other views and opinions, and keep an open mind. Our goals are a fairer, more transparent world and a better future for everyone.

But rather than doing your own empirical research

Have you ever measured how far the Sun moves across the sky throughout the day? It's something you can actually measure yourself without fancy equipment. No matter how you measure it, the answer is always 15°/hr.

No matter where you are on Earth, no matter what time of day it is, when you measure the Sun's movement, it will be 15 degrees per hour. This is incontrovertible fact. Even when two people watch the Sun at the same time from opposite sides of the United States, both of them see the sun moving 15°/hr, all day long.

No flat Earth model can accommodate this one simple, easily observable, undeniable fact. However, the spinning globe model can explain this motion perfectly. The spin, the orbit, and the tilt explain so much of our natural world so perfectly, yet your answer is "science lies".

The Earth simply is not flat.

I can show you endless diagrams of what I am talking about... The seasons, the procession, eclipses, can all be explained with simple diagrams that can be found on just about any educational website.

Show me just one flat Earth diagram that demonstrates how the Sun can move 15°/hr. It's an impossibility... The flat Earth model just can't support this undeniable fact.

No one has ever made that model. Probably because of people like you who are too proud and indoctrinated to even consider evidence against round Earth theory.

You give the human race too much credit. For a “catholic” you also seem pretty devoted to science over faith.

What you fail to understand is just how big the deception is. If the Earth is indeed flat and not round it completely changes our understanding of space, the universe, and pretty much reality itself. Deception is the name of the game, and it is the reason why we are where we are today.

Let me ask you this; do you believe we actually went to the moon? If the answer is “yes”, then why have we not gone back since the 60’s? I mean, technology is so much more advanced now it should be easy right? What does NASA even do these days?

Listen, this is my point: It’s extremely arrogant and equally ignorant to claim that you know without a shred of doubt that the Earth is round. You can’t say you “know” unless you have proven it with your own research and are prepared to present the evidence in full detail.

Why do you feel the need to squash debate on this subject? Does it really bother you that much? Why not let people who are interested in this conspiracy come to their own conclusions?

For a “catholic” you...

You can't even keep straight who you're responding to. I'm not a Catholic. I'm not indoctrinated. Try to pay attention.

You can’t say you “know” unless you have proven it with your own research and are prepared to present the evidence in full detail.

I've done the exercise to achieve the measurement that the Sun moves across the sky 15°/hr three times. Once with my father, once with my oldest son, and again with my youngest. But don't trust me... You can easily do this yourself. Spoiler: You'll get 15°/hr.

(My father was a Navy pilot. When I was young, he taught me some basics of navigation. We started with observing the sky...)

There are only two models in which the Sun can traverse the sky at a rate of 15°/hr. One where the Sun orbits the Earth and one where the Earth is rotating. Go ahead and get yourself a compass and try to diagram any other model that can support the incontrovertible fact that the Sun moves across the sky at a rate of 15 degrees per hour. Spoiler: Can't be done.

Further observation of the "wandering stars" indicates orbits around the Sun just like our own, so the "Sun orbits the Earth" model is discarded.

You can’t say you “know” unless you have proven it with your own research

I did my own researched. It was a simple exercise to measure the Sun's movement and confirm that it moves 15°/hr. That fact holds true morning, noon, and evening; no matter where are on Earth. That is the only proof one needs to completely dismiss flat-Earth because NO f-E model can support this undeniable fact.

Why do you feel the need to squash debate on this subject?

Because flat-Earth theory is the stuff of utter morons. This nonsense reaches people... Kids in middle school are led to this topic and my kid comes home wanting to know how his own friends could be so stupid. So, we get out the craft supplies and make a rudimentary sextant like thingy so we can measure the angles ourselves.

Flat-Earth is a con that preys on the simple minded. 15°/hr kills it dead in its tracks.

Flat earth is a joke.

Well Flat Earthers don't have the answer to anything. They have no model, no explanations that mesh with observation, no tests, and no evidence.

Do you believe Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin walked on the moon in 1969? This will determine whether you are qualified to weight in on FE.

Wheres the real proof its a globe?

Thats all im gonna leave here. I doubt youre a sincere character. If you looked at FE and still have this.unquestioning mentality towards the ball earth, either youre lying or lacking in knowledge. (Physic s.etc,)

People who understand physics the most are physicists. How do you not see the point?

IMACatholic, how come you never comment in the hollow earth sub?