They're going to hit this thread too...but the more we force their hand, the more the actions of these reprobates get exposed.

They already have and once again it is obvious that this brigading goes on with the admins' approval.

When they can't ban a sub, brigade it!

I don't see how anyone can argue with a straight face that brigading isn't happening. Are there people still trying to shed doubt on that? Or has the argument moved to slightly saner grounds?

Ahh, so less out-right denial and more deflection and mockery most likely aiming to make you feel isolated in your convictions.

Whining about downvotes from our Top TMOR mod

/u/axolotl_peyotl confirmed alt of /u/government_shill

smh I can't believe it

They're going to hit this thread too...

Yep, 6 minutes, 33% upvoted.

Not even enough time to read the content of the post.

Regular users need to upvote to counteract.

I've never been directly targeted by that group but I'd like to see where my score count goes.

TMOR SUCKS!

#TMORTHEYSUK

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Long Live u/Polkadotgirl!

I just want to know why they do it.

I mean, I don't really give a shit that TMOR exists. Someone like it is always going to.

Assuming it's organic, why tho? Who enjoys doing what they do? They pretty much just stew in anger and disbelief all day, that's not a fun way to live.

They don't like it when we find real information.

Gigs of audio, documents and images. https://mega.nz/#F!6yx3jJwK!Gx-HM63ujwwp5_b3Ch5enA

https://mobile.twitter.com/Ensin17

Look into the man behind it, don't take my word for it.

Here’s his youtube channel.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmJXzgJwsOl4VCWTUY6u3hw

Hey dude, long time no chat! Been a while since those FL days on discord.

On the surface they have to pretend to follow the rules so they can claim plausible deniability, and it's clear that everyone who actively participates in TMOR understands that. The real, unspoken rules is, "harass and dv all you like, but if you get caught you will be disavowed. (After we ban you, please return with an alt kthx lol)"

With that said, it should come as no surprise to anyone that occasionally they will accidentally acknowledge/infer this; it might be an idea to amass as many examples as possible like the one you've provided.

I still look around that discord every now and then.

FL is much less interesting once you really get in to it, unfortunately. The ideas in the articles are very interesting, and the theories they propose are unique to ForgottenLanguages in a lot of cases. I find THAT as the interesting part of FL.

I'm surprised I haven't got my own little flair on TMOR for FL posts to be honest with you lol

Seems to me you're definitely on the radar. They hit you but ignore me? Guess my mind isn't top enough :<

Most likely the organizers are paid, its basically an astroturf campaign to suppress discussion in this sub in general, but especially of topics that are damaging to their handlers.

I think it's kinda weird that my parent comment is only -1 but my reply down below got -15 immediately

Downvotes and harassment are really all they have, which isn't much. Fuck em.

Alright, I’ll bite. I sub to TMOR, as well as this sub. It’s interesting to see how a post shows up in my feed in two very different contexts. I like TMOR because I feel like it’s sort of an antidote to a lot of the more extreme stuff on here... I was a hair’s breadth away from having to unsubscribe to this sub as I couldn’t take the flat earth/anti-vax/greatawakening bullshit... if I hadn’t found TMOR, I would have had to ditch.

I would hazard a guess that a lot of TM folks are probably a lot like me: conspiracy folks from way back (like alt.conspiracy days and Listserves)... hell, I used to subscribe to print newsletters. They, like me, are a little disheartened at the rampant insanity and downright maliciousness they see here. In many ways, it’s a shitty community that has only gotten shittier since the Orange One has been elected... TMOR is a good old fashioned Reddit circle jerk where you can shitpost about things you find particularly egregious.

Registered users here outnumber TMOR 6 to 1 (and I know lots of folks here have alts as well). How could a small sub overwhelm such a robust community. I’m sure a lot of lurkers here downvote the same shit for the same reasons.

This sub is blatantly manipulated by several crowds and at this point I can't keep up.
-TMOR are trying to suppress anything that's "ridiculous" (e.g. too complicated for them to follow the argument) -Blueshare trying to absolve intelligence agencies & government of blame
-Redshare (r/TheDonald subscribers) trying to absolve Russia & Trump of any blame -Russiashare^TM with the anti-vax and "we are the enemy of TPTB so we're good" arguments

The only way to return this sub back to where it should be is downvote & deabte all claims/arguments without real sources (peer-reviewed science, real videos, etc) or with faulty logic

Oh so now anyone who questions vaccines is a shill just like the ShareBlue types. I dunno about that, or T_D subscribers being a problem. There isn't a problem with genuine discussion imo, its the intentional subversion that is the problem.

Uh no? If you have good sources & sound logic you're not who I'm talking about.

The anti-vaxx posts I refer tox at a high level, are ones that purposefully use correlations with dependent variable 'X' as a "X causes Y" or "we don't understand X so assume the worst" type arguments.

I refer to Russiashare there because that is specific platform/strategy that country is using worldwide to grow internal tensions in countries that are keeping Putin from taking over Syria/Ukraine/etc.

The anti-vaxx posts I refer to, at a high level, are ones that purposefully use correlations with dependent variable 'X' as a "X causes Y" or "we don't understand X so assume the worst" type arguments.

And you think the Russians are doing that?

I refer to Russiashare there because that is specific platform/strategy that country is using worldwide to grow internal tensions in countries that are keeping Putin from taking over Syria/Ukraine/etc.

What makes you think Russia wants to take over Syria? It seems to me that they simply don't want us/Israel to topple Assad and install a puppet.

The Syrian issue deals with Assad turning down an oil-pipeline through Syria that Syria would not be allowed to control.

Assad said "nope" and Industry sicked it's attack dog.

It was a natural gas pipeline.

I went and looked over what I read, and you are correct, I was off; incorrect, to a degree.

Sub gas for oil and we are still at the same avenue!

I only corrected you because of the Russian gas line running through Ukraine that got us into this mess in the first place.

It's all good. The correction was needed.

Yeah, the Russia share is pick a controversial topic that has staunch supporters on both sides. Vaccines, abortion, gun rights, etc...

Then they plant provocateurs on both sides of the argument to whip each sides supporters into a frenzy.

The one i'm shocked that worked is flat earth. I mean come one. The earth is not flat. At least the anti-vax argument could have some validity in the quantity given vs essential.

But the controversial topic and fan flames on both sides is the obvious tactic.

Nobody minds the shills they agree with.

Trump tards are a problem as well as clinton mouth breathers. The real shit show on this sub started when Donald users started hanging out here because Donald told them about the "deep state" while sucking putin's dick

>Russia is responsible for questioning vaccinations

Fucking normie.

If someone believes that NASA is doing work that is essential for the future of organized human life, then they will be inclined to defend NASA against baseless claims (as opposed to simply ignoring them).

Lesson of the day. Don't feed the trolls.

They wills stay regardless, their objective is to suppress discussion in this sub. Might as well shine a light on the filth.

There's shining light and blinding light. This is a post about a post about a post. How long until we get a post about this post and maybe a post about that post etc.

This problem moving forward will only get worse. The D's need to lose more elections before they stop using Republican tactics.

Exactly right, use all the tools at your disposal to shine the light on the illusion.

Look at this

https://i.imgur.com/ITx85gG.png

seems to be that 15 is the magic number, my comment below went -15 as soon as I posted it

TMOR is obviously brigading. My link shows that 4 TMOR mods planned to ban people they don't like from as many subs as possible.

I had a comment in a different thread go straight to -15 this morning in less than 5 minutes, it's now back almost positive.

All of my comments that were at -15 are almost positive now. I wonder if that's organic /r/conspiracy, or if the vote fuzzing thing that Reddit does only made it seem like -15 or what. Either way, most of my posts here don't get -15 or +15 unless it's something significant

I think it's organic users upvoting them because I don't get that in any other sub.

I found another brigade happening right now but i don't know where it's coming from

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/9d9n4u/james_alefantis_is_owner_of_the_mysterious/e5gf2wt/

-15 in less than 10 minutes in a thread that is far from the frontpage with only a handful of participants.

It's all -15. Is there no way to get on that based on that number?

And that can easily be just 1 user. Imagine what a dozen could do.

That’s kind of a dick move on the part of our mods, sorry. I don’t understand why banning people for participating in certain subs is allowed by Reddit.

Good post Axo

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hahaha they hate you because this is one of the last high traffic areas of reddit they can't take control of axo!! thank god you founded r/conspiracy and held onto it instead of some other schmuck

Do these guys have anything better to do.

No.

They're so pathetic.

Literslly no. The are exactly the kind of person youd expect living in their parents house at the age of 30 telling "SHE SHOULD HAVE WON!" to look like

Can't you just ban every TMOR poster from this sub?

I mean, other subs will pre-ban you for being on The_Donald

Why can't r/conspiracy play their game?

Ehh I’m split on that point

Why? TMOR isn't.

Does anybody here have backup accounts? Might be a good idea,

So you don’t have to wait 60 days to post again.

Are all /con posters banned there? Before I was banned there it wasn't like that.

Forcing TMOR to play our game is a better option.

We know. This is not new. However, you refuse to do anything about it.

Ban every single account that participates in TMoR. Ban all the mods who have shown themselves TMoR friendly. Write a script that crawls TMoR and bans accounts as soon as they comment there.

I'm not that clued up on this battle but I'm guessing the main offenders will be using multiple alts to manipulate the sub, banning their mains would be completely irrelevant.
Banning people who argue against conspiracy thinking on the reg would probably be a whole lot more effective, then at least the sub would be conspiracy theorists discussing conspiracies and fuck the voting, just read all the comments and agree by providing supporting evidence or complimentary theories instead. Just a thought. Downvotes do nothing to stop me reading all the points.

Sure, but it certainly can't hurt. Force them to maintain alts at all times, and just wipe a certain portion of the bad actors out automatically. Do the same for the neolib / neocon propaganda subs.

Lol, just went from +3 to -2 since I last looked, no brigading though right guys? Kinda sad really that they think reddit karma actually matters to anyone except their fellow narcissistic dildos.

Banning participants in TMOR, and the mods of TMOR, and banning the sub itself would disrupt their group communications. They'd be forced to use their alt accounts and open up another sub like TMOR. At a minimum, they would lose strength and cohesion as an organized group.

Why reddit allows this group to continue to exist is more than suspicious.

Banning people who argue against conspiracy thinking

that's a thin line that allows you to ban anyone who doesn't 100% buy into every post. Who decides what "conspiracy thinking" is? Are we allowed to point out evidence that proves the conspiracy wrong? What if we they are spreading harmful disinformation? You ban the one that points out it's all lies?

Exactly... Other subs do this, why don't we?

Ding ding ding.

I remember about two years ago a website called Coin Fires or something like that had a very very in depth post and article with video proof from a guy who works for a company that pays people to manipulate reddit.

The site was very legitimate and exposed some frauds online in crypto currency.

He showed videos of the interface and how it’s desifned to trick reddit. It uses different methods to get users to the place they were supposed to downvote in an effort to seem organic.

The software was web based and looked really powerful and yet simplistic in execution.

Who wants to build the rip off clone version?

I really want to find those old screenshots and what not. Sadly the site got purchased by an Israeli firm not long after and even publicly said as much and that article was deleted from the archives.

Then later the entire site was deleted.

I don’t blame the owner for taking the money though. He was getting death threats on the daily and one fraudster even mailed him a dead animal and told him his family was next.

Very interesting stuff.

It would be too obvious that as a conspiracy sub that goes out of its way to expose corruption, any perception that corruption could be afoot here with the mods would mean absolute credibility loss that you could never recover from.

I could see it leading to the ultimate cleaning house of current mods and installing reddit friendly safe-space people who would surely do us all justice. /s

That will accomplish nothing, and may alienate some folks who are here for actual discourse. The number of accounts they can make is endless.

I'm banned and can't respond over there. Someone just posted this

u/The_In-Betweener seems like a snowflake. Oh noes, someone said something mean on the internet! 1 year old account with a large amount of karma. Either he's just a whingey bitch or a russian, or maybe both. My guess he's a whingey bitch who's girlfriend pillow is cuckolding him.

lol

Damn they really are kids.

They accused you of having a girlfriend at least, I bet you their girlfriends are actual pillows.

lol

I downvotes that post and the reply you linked because the post was predicated in misreading a tweet and he spent all his time in the comments playing r/conspiracy gatekeeper and ignoring and dismissing users pointing out the flaws of his post. i’m sure others did the same

Gatekeeping on r/conspiracy? Say it ain't so.

and that particular user does it all the fucking time and did it throughout the thread

Yeah that thread was fucking stupid.

Seems to me not like there’s a great reddit conspiracy, just that some posts on here are accurate and some are clearly not. Downvotes for not doing your research properly are fair.

From what I can tell, u/axolotl_peyotl has a lot of difficulty reaching conclusions that are justified by evidence. That is fine and expected given this is a conspiracy sub. And it is fine and expected more generally given that u/axolotl_peyotl is human, and we all do this from time to time. The issue I have with axolotl is not the objectionable reasoning skills but a) that axolotl's conclusions consistently lean toward certain sorts of conclusions that are of notable political/social relevance (coupled with a willingness to push beyond the evidence axolotl becomes an individual propaganda machine, churning out claims that have very little basis in reality yet contribute to certain relevant political/social narratives) and b) that axolotl shows a notable unwillingness to recognize the weaknesses in reasoning, the tenuousness of conclusions, while actively working as a gatekeeper (beyond the purview of a mod) of what does and does not count as "legitimate" conspiracies (eg. stickying nonsense partisan crap posts because axolotl deemed the partisan crap to be worthy of the front page while the unending downvotes such posts received were deemed by axolotl to be illegitimate result of brigading without providing any evidence for this claim whatsoever).

These trends are evident in this very post. Let's look at the title:

/r/conspiracy thread pointing out the blatant manipulation of our sub by /r/TopMindsofReddit gets blatantly manipulated by TMOR

In the content of this post, axoltl points out that his comment in a 0karma thread (and thereby organically prone to less traffic) continued to accrue notable amounts of down votes. And he posits an explanation for this by linking to TMOR posts. I find this argument adequate (though I don't want to deny that there may be alternative possible explanations) to support his conclusion that TMOR brigaded that thread. However, there are two notable problems with this post.

First, "brigading" may have marginal influence, or it may have substantial influence. Five people may "brigade" a post with 10k up votes and they will have marginal influence on visibility patterns therein. Alternatively, fifty people may brigade a post with 25 karma and they could have substantial influence on visibility patterns. I found axolotl's evidence for brigading good (indeed, unusually high quality of evidence for this individual), but there is no evidence whatsoever about the relative influence of that brigading. To single out posts from TMOR with a dozen upvotes as representative of some grand successful program to contort the visibility patterns on r/conspiracy as a whole is absurd (axolotl seems to endorse this conclusion by quoting /u/bittermanscolon - or quoting axolotl elsewhere ""They" aren't letting certain conversations take off on /r/conspiracy"). And axolotl has used this spurious conclusion to justify using his mod privileges in an attempt to influence judgement about the legitimacy of conspiracies in this sub.

Second, axolotl claims in this post that his previous post on vote manipulation was itself manipulated. The evidence he offers is two posts from TMOR. This is insufficient evidence to support this conclusion as axolotl also notes that this post was on the front page of r/conspiracy (thereby not being organically prone to less traffic) . Unless axolotl can show that traffic directed to that post from TMOR was more substantial than organic traffic from the front page of r/conspiracy, then axolotl cannot discount the possibility that people downvoted the post off the front page because of issues with the argument (such as those listed in the previous paragraph) or some other non-brigading reason (like those who recognize that axolotl seems to generally endorse conclusions that far exceed what is justifiable, while also wishing to exert some influence on this sub so as to support axolotl's own pet conclusions and conspiracies as genuine while denying such a place for others). As I have noted before, I am a representative of such traffic. I relatively rarely even comment, but I vote more frequently when I see nonsense claims that are inadequately supported (especially if such unsupported nonsense has clear political/social relevance and especially if those claims are on the front page.)

My general conclusion is this: calls of shills and brigading are often made, and generally poorly supported by evidence. When they are not supported by evidence, I think they contribute nothing to discussion. Often, such calls serve to justify and reinforce one's own position, even if that position is so silly as to be deserving of mass downvotes. It is a tool that entrenches beliefs and inhibits discussion. The evidence axoltl provided in the post to which this post refers justifies the conclusion of TMOR brigading, but the extent and influence of that brigading is unclear. The evidence axolotl provided does not even justify the title of this post, as it fails to show that the previous post was substantially downvoted as a result of TMOR brigading rather than regular r/conspiracy users finding axolotl's conclusions and methods to be silly or distasteful. If axolotl (and this sub in general) improve the quality of their evidence and conclusions - at the very least with respect to important political/social matters (but conspiratorial inclinations themselves are increasingly politically and socially important) - then they may find that the ostensible brigading problem will become less notable.

That was a ridiculous amount of text just to put him in a potentially negative light.

It's fine to disagree with him, but I don't see anything he has done as manipulation. I see a lot of important topics being brought to light by his efforts.

You know what was funny? I totally ignore stickied topics. Maybe thats bad but here is why I do.....I don't like manipulation so I generally don't digest what's put in front of me, I still go and get it myself. If I see something interesting for ME, I go searching. I don't find a topic and delve into it because it is stickied.

I suppose your comment sounds super reasonable and such but as a detractor of Axol, I only have to wonder why someone would do such a detailed analysis like yours. Axol has no army at his disposal. Certainly though, TMOR is a coordinated group who operates and attacks people directly. TMOR does out of its way to manipulate and keep information away from people. They mock and destroy genuine want for information. They act like children, but clearly they're not, they have an actual agenda and a target.

Whatever you like to think, pally.

I suppose your comment sounds super reasonable and such but as a detractor of Axol, I only have to wonder why someone would do such a detailed analysis like yours.

Yes, my post sounds reasonable. Yes it is a lot of text for such a seemingly small function (to challenge narrow aspects of axolotl's post). That's what good dissent and argument looks like. It takes work to offer critique.

As I noted in my post, I am willing to put some time into challenging axolotl on the rare occasion because I often disagree with the quality of his reasoning, his tendencies to come out on certain politically/socially relevant issues in ways that I fundamentally disagree with, and because he has a lot of influence on this sub. Mainly, though, it is because I think axolotl is representative of broader and concerning trends in contemporary politics and society. In this case the trend of note is this: if your belief is challenged either by someone else or by some facts or metrics, then DON'T debate, DON'T listen, DON'T reconsider your belief, DON'T look for better arguments, DON't weigh evidence. Instead, label things as "fake news" or "libtard" or "fascist" or "shill" or "brigade" or whathaveyou so you justify whatever beliefs you have to yourself.

So I will occasionally invest time into creating a lengthy post (on a number of topics and accounts), because I think the post to be of some importance. I hope that people other than axolotl might read this post and think "hey, maybe I shouldn't try to end discussion by yelling shill and brigade anytime my comment gets downvoted. Maybe I should entertain the possibility that my argument just isn't popular, maybe because my argument is shit. Or hey, maybe if I am going to challenge certain taken-for-granted views I should have good reason to do so, other than a willingness to reinforce some sociopolitical desires."

Ok pal, pat yourself on the back as much as you want, pretend to come across in any which "reasonable" manner you claim here and now.

We understand the reality here and your goals certainly aren't on the honorable side of things at all. Your "dedication" to your cause is a great way to show how far you have fallen. People don't even have to take my word for it, they can choose a side and see who represents who.

Top mind, you are not. A guy online who maybe disagree's with stuff? Sure, whatever. Though, your association with TMOR shows you're more than just that. If you're even half of what Axol says....not even including what I have seen and experienced myself, I wouldn't put you anywhere near the "reasonable" end of any scale. To be TMOR material, one would have to dreg up some dark shit to participate here the way they do, the way you do.

Save your little fingers all the effort of a reply, I don't care. Go back to your garbage so we can continue to call you out on it.

You are the one who initially called me reasonable.

I have no association with TMOR and have only ever been to TMOR when directed there from conspiracy posts about brigading. Most of my time posting is spent on askreddit, conspiracy, changemyview and videos.

facepalm

Sarcasm pal, but you keep your ego up however you prefer.

TMOR wants to orchestrate a coup here, removing you and getting one of their own in

Check my past comments for the citation you requested. Also check my past comments for statements about this being an alt account. I don't want to post on my main account about you because I don't want to be banned.

Also, for those who are watching, you will see that what axolotl does here exactly aligns with the post where I explain my justification for the initial critique. Axolotl sees a reasoned critique of axolotl's claims, and instead of answering to the critique, instead of improving upon the argument or back stepping on the severity of conclusions, or asking questions, or looking for better evidence, axolotl immediately attempts to label me as a fraud of some sort, so that axolotl justifies the perpetuation of the same problematic beliefs and justifications.

It is a problem when one considers a very reasonable critique to be a "misguided hit piece".

(Also, I have only ever visited TMOR when I have been directed there by your own posts. You very clearly spend much more time there than I do.)

Ooo i love a good brigading!
Oh yeah. just like that. mmmm yeah. Feels nice. Click it good!

So sexy all the tmor attention paid to us here and we barely remember they exist.

Is it not weird that everyone who got downvoted immediately saw it as -15? I had two comments go straight to -15 after about a minute, and saw at least 2 more. They're all almost positive now though

15 bots is all they can afford today? we're not worth 30 bots!

what's weird is reddit 'can't find' these things going on...

Tmor are a group of paid autists to turf this sub and take away its credibility.

Feds?

Yep

Pretty obvious.

Hablas en serio o bromeas?

TMOR is a bunch of basement dwelling shit heads who get their rocks off belittling people. You giving them attention only makes it worse. When they invade threads being the little shit heads that they are, ignore them. If you don't poke the bear, the bear gets bored.

TMOR = Clowns In Action

A surefire way to repel alleged brigaders is to make a giant wall of text complaining about said brigaders

I've never had a comment downvoted to below -50 that wasn't linked to TMOR or another hate sub.

Try bashing KDE in a live discussion with the devs.. That one got me to -450

I agree that posts linked from TopMindsOfReddit are vote brigaded even if not explicitly called for. I have a comment here with examples.

I disagree with the rest of the post.

In these instances, the "disruptors" try to create a false dichotomy. Disagree with the current extremely excessive vaccine schedule? You're a monstrous anti-vaxxer! Disagree with the foreign aid given to Israel by the US? You're an anti-semite! Doubt Russian collusion? You're a Q fanatic! Question NASA? You're a flat earther!

Isn't that description itself a false dichotomy or at least a dishonest representation?

Disagree with [-----]. Question [-----].

Posts here are often not that simple and more often, not that honest.

For example, let's say someone constantly posts articles from Russian State media, often defending the Russian government.

Say this person also makes several selfposts ironically calling people who disagree with them "babbling paranoiacs" and other insulting terms, while simultaneously complaining about being "pigeonholed" for "questioning the Russian collusion/bogeyman narrative"

They dismiss any suspicion or discussion of Russian wrong-doing as attempts to revitalize a "Cold War mentality". They say it's xenophobia, propaganda and FUD that causes "otherwise free-thinking and intelligent individuals" to get caught in a "destructive circle-jerking feedback loop". They also refer to those who agree with them as "genuine users", implying anyone else is not.

I would not describe those statements as "just disagreeing" or "just questioning things".

When I saw that the OP of this thread was getting attacked for "daring" to question NASA:

I don't think that's an accurate portrayal of the discussion. People can read it themselves to see.

OP starts out with an aggressive title, makes several dubious claims, preemptively dismisses any incoming disagreements, attacks everyone who disagrees in the comments, and then claims "NASA shills and bots" are downvoting the post.

What is the most likely cause of that comment of mine getting downvoted to below -50? Dozens of regular /r/conspiracy users/subscribers were offended by my polite support of OP. [...]

The context of the comment chain is this:

[op] [...] I look forward to seeing the excuses put forth by the eternally faithful to the government organization called NASA.

[user1] I mean, what's your excuse for not bothering to reverse google image search the picture of the hole and instead making false claims about it's origin? If you can't do a very basic amount of research on a single image before you start a thread, why should anyone take you seriously?

[op] You have never contributed here whatsoever, and have 0 conspiracy posts. I certainly don't take you seriously.

[you] Don't take these downvotes personally...you're on the right track.

Your comment was at -8 when linked by TMOR. While they likely contributed more downvotes, it was already unpopular. I didn't downvote it but I think it deserves it in that context.

Also, OP's claim about the first user is wrong. They have over 500 comments in this sub and prior to today (when banned), they had only one comment removed in the past year (7 months ago).

He's right! While these reminders may be tedious to the veterans (and inconvenient for the brigaders), the constant influx of conspiracy theorist converts need to know exactly what we're up against.

Maybe, if there was more to it than the repeat cycle of:

• "I made a comment, it was downvoted, here's a post about it"
• "They downvoted the thread I made about my downvoted comment"
• "Now they downvoted the thread I made about the thread I made about my downvoted comment"

Finally, is there a new rule? I see several users recently banned with the description being: "anti-conspiracy concern troll".

That seems highly subjective and open to abuse.

Holy shit OP is on a roll with those "concern troll" bans.

Wow, so now if you disagree with a conspiracy, you can get banned?

I never used to look at a redditors history. Now, especially in this sub, it’s almost a requirement.

Why not debate on the topic at hand? Why resort to this? You can do better. Use your facts to hurt them.

If it’s not a real account, it’s not worth talking to.

I attended an event in Chicago several years back that Alexis from reddit spoke at.

He said in the early days the users weren’t even entirely real. They used bots to make the site look more active and “faked it” until they made it.

Do you think people who were willing to do that in the beginning won’t be apt to allowing other manipulation or perhaps even help with it?

Oh botting is still a huge thing not just on Reddit but everywhere. Call me a conspiracy theorist but companies and other countries are definitely using bots to try and influence opinions on social media (for whatever motives wether it be to increase sales or to divide us) , mark my words sometime in the near future Russia will be exposed for a fake bot influence campaign

There is no law that says hey cannot shill online. That can only mean, its happening.

It's like monsanto, they pay to have people destroyed. They employ people to do the destroying, why wouldn't reddit have a shill army? monsanto has one here, clear as day. Might even be the same people with many accounts at their disposal.

If it will help a company willing to pay for it, you know they'll do it.

It’s pretty easy too just set up bot accounts and you can fool anyone. Robots have already passed the Turing test over text

TLDR - TMOR is a leftist shill fest that attempts to control social and political narrative on reddit.

This has been the case since early 2016

I've been coming here for years... I rarely ever vote on any content. To me, the voting system of reddit is a clever gamification of thought policing. I don't want to be a thought-cop. Even upvotes are thought policing, because you're providing rewards for "right-think."

I would imagine that a lot of people on this sub feel similarly. However, it's very clear that those outside of the conspiracy communities love to participate in the thought-police game.

Votes on this subreddit rarely mean much... Since people with genuine interest in these topics tend to abstain from voting and people who are repulsed by the content here are generally obsessed with voting for their favorite right-think and voting against their most hated wrong-think.

But it's all T_D/Russians/Iranians!!!!1one!!!

Stop posting about TMOR

t. TMOR

I kinda agree with you, there's definately something going on.

I don't know if it's to the extent you think, but I nearly quit this sub because I was attacked for not being totally on the pro-vaccination-bandwagon (haha health issues and allergic reactions to vaccines might do that to a person :p ) when I first subscribed. After awhile I realized that the real people subscribed to here also have their doubts about vaccination safety and frequency.

From what I see, when a post is just r/conspiracy, comments tend to stay within '-10' to about '30' (unless someone is just being a jerk without any actual discussion). Then there's wild variance if a post gets linked anywhere else.

If a comment shoots down to -50 or less, or +250 or more, then there's reason to be concerned.

Maybe whenever a person posts here after a day or two we should also make it an unofficial rule to make a "edit: [this many] people viewed after [ie 24] hours" report. We could even make a group chat specifically for these stats/numbers.

Oof being hit with these bigoted dorks lol been awhile since I've been in the negatives. I'm so hurt 😂

Let me know if you ever want to talk stats!

apparently any comment/post talking bad about tmor are met with massive downvotes.

Top Morons Of Reddit.

Man the downvotes in this thread is crazy

Have an upvote.

Much love and Peace!

They're proving the point of the post right here in the comments. I have no choice but to believe that this has to be intentional, they want to be obvious. So dumb.

Keep up the good fight Axo. We gotta expose them for what they really are...

You can't upvote the post. Try it for yourselves. Hmm

a /r/conspiracy regular was getting considerable grief in a thread that questioned some claims by NASA.

I read the post you linked from this post. My opinion on that post:

He didn't question NASA's claims as much as he mocked them. Not only that, he was condescending, belligerent and patronizing. He didn't even directly make a claim, other than than:

You can't make this shit up.

Well, actually I guess you can, because they did.

An astronut saves the day -- again -- by plugging a hole in the space station with his thumb.

Amazing how no one has died up there in nearly 20 years. Good thing the "vacuum of space" didn't destroy them after a hole appeared in their space station traveling at about 17,000 mph.

He doesn't actually make a claim there, does he? But, he's implying, my best guess, that somehow it's impossible for a person to plug a hole with their finger to stop an air leak? That's preposterous. P = F/A or pressure = force/area. Our atmosphere exerts 14.7 pounds of pressure per square inch. 1 square inch the atmosphere exerts 14.7lbs of pressure. 2 square inches it's 29.4lbs of pressure and so forth. According to here we are under the weight of 1 ton of air pressure. The hole found was maybe a square inch?

His rant is as ridiculously nondescript as it is meritless. He deserved to be downvoted. And he doesn't even deserve the effort of trying to convince him otherwise because you can't convince people like that of anything they don't want to believe.

Hey everyone!

The OP in question and Mod of this sub is banning everyone who disagrees with or has a different view on matters. Turning the sub into the ground, thanks anyways!

Proof: https://i.imgur.com/toYDcaS.jpg

Conversation:

The posts that led to the bans:

D_ames718:

Don't go getting banned now. This is his safe space.

greenie7680:

Par for the course for him, sadly. Mods should not resort to pettiness like this, the others don't.

edit I was apparently permanently banned by Axo for this comment, labeled as an "anti-conspiracy concern troll". Fail to see how this line warrants a permanent ban when I was only talking about not feeding into trolls.

purefabulousity:

That's essentially what this is, yeah. A thread about a comment of his that was downvoted.

Edit: looks like I’ve been banned for this or for a comment saying 4chan isn’t a reputable source because I’m “a low effort troll with a long history of one liners to remind everyone how smart I am”.

FSBYeahYouKnowMe

I wonder if its okay for all users to make threads like this, or just mods?

I_HAVE_A_PORBLEM:

Axo is feeding the trolls again.

Tulipssinkships:

Crying about downvotes has to be the most insignificant first world problem I've ever heard of

azsqueeze:

It's a national past time for axol

I saw it happen today in the Israel and Syria thread, heavily.

I’m waiting to see when I get banned... I’m liberal and whenever I comment on a current political thread I just get downvoted bc I have opinions that aren’t the mods

All of my comments that were at -15 are almost positive now. I wonder if that's organic /r/conspiracy, or if the vote fuzzing thing that Reddit does only made it seem like -15 or what. Either way, most of my posts here don't get -15 or +15 unless it's something significant

It was a natural gas pipeline.

#TMORTHEYSUK

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Long Live u/Polkadotgirl!

It’s pretty easy too just set up bot accounts and you can fool anyone. Robots have already passed the Turing test over text